Greek results in K36 & PCA (TA users mostly from Sikeliot sample)

[Lucas]

Those K36 samples with (V) are from Verenich Blog (author of MDLP calculators). I don't know how reliable there are.

Cyprus was collected by me, in one-to-many thanks to one kit from Sikeliot.

North Italy was collected by me. Veneto is from Longbowman (thanks to Litvin).

Albanians are TA users (thanks to Litvin).

Sicily is averaged 100+ sample from Sikeliot. Detailed results here http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?206947-South-Italy-amp-Balkans-PCA-and-dendrogram-created-my-user-quot-mlukas-quot

All results are averages groups, except Epirus Greek, Pontic Greek, Istanbul Greek. They are marked with (1).

PCA
https://s3.postimg.org/sxpujkcsz/pca.jpg

Sikeliot samples (TA users mostly)
https://s4.postimg.org/6r6ww4tvx/stat.jpg

Maxim Verenich samples (V)
https://s3.postimg.org/4ah5pagqr/ver.jpg

From this results it is evident that Greeks have 0% SSA admixes. North African is also close to 0.

[Coolguy1]

If its possible could my results be added as a seperate point? If not then no worries

[Lucas]

I think you are in Sikeliot sample. And I averaged your results.
But I have one user asking about it also. PM me your results and I add you and him.

[Sikeliot]

Where would Levant be on the plot? Probably downward below Cyprus. Anyway it is clear from this plot, Sicilians (and I take it that is an island wide average) are close to Greek islanders under this scaling.

[Lucas]

Levant is far left from the Cyprus. It will squeeze all results. I averaged Sicily because it's Greek plot now. And also it was interesting to see how whole island will be positioned.

[Sikeliot]

Levant is far left from the Cyprus. It will squeeze all results. I averaged Sicily because it's Greek plot now. And also it was interesting to see how whole island will be positioned.

They are within the Greek islander range, but being pulled south of them. What is causing that? Who would be on the down part of the plot? I am guessing, but may be wrong, that it is North Africans, since there is almost no North African in any of the Greeks.

[Lucas]

I added Sorcelow and Journeyman. The last one is 50% Greek + 50% Tuscan so he is NW shifted logically.

I added Levant, Assyria and Egypt and now Crete + Ikaria are shifted more to Cyprus.

https://s8.postimg.org/ydyqlmyoz/k36gre.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Based on where Egypt is placed, it is the North African that seems to pull Sicily and Ashkenazim south. Anyhow, mainland Greeks all seem to be closer to other Balkanites than to the Sicilians or any of the Aegean islands.

[Sikeliot]

It appears you could model Cretans as half North Italian, half Assyrian, and you could model Sicilians and Ashkenazim as half North Italian, half Levantine.

[Lucas]

Mhm. I can check that possibility. I'll create such artifical mixes and put to to plot.

[Coolguy1]

Im surprised how well the Pontian clusters well within the general Greek range

[Sikeliot]

Mhm. I can check that possibility. I'll create such artifical mixes and put to to plot.

I'd like to see if I am right.

Could you actually, just out of curiosity, remove Trapani from the Sicily average and show me where it plots? Trapani is an outlying region, with higher NW African and higher West Euro, and I suspect it pulls Sicily both downward and rightward.

[Sikeliot]

Im surprised how well the Pontian clusters well within the general Greek range

I wondered if they were full Pontic.

[Sikeliot]

What is also interesting is Peloponnesians here do in fact drift toward the Sicilians/Aegean islanders relative to some other mainlanders, but the difference is not nearly as large as some people want it to be. Most Peloponnesians are regular mainland Greeks.