The world without Arab and Turkish incursions

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

http://img01.deviantart.net/5916/i/2014/105/8/8/arab_and_turkish_imperialism_of_the_middle_east__b y_johncena26-d7ej9xe.jpg

Perhaps it would be like this.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I wrote the "world" but it's just the Middle-East. Just a speculation on how it would be.

[HERK]

Persians would have probably invaded Greece and take the todays Turkish territories.

[Tacitus]

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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

"
Remeber Arabization/Turkification of Middle east Beside Islamazition had shaped the Today's Middle East.

* Assyria - belongs to the Assyrians. This land is captivated by Arabs who claim to be "Northen Iraqi", and "Syrian" (although the word "Syria" is driven from "Assyria"). Modern day Northen Iraq, Syria South Eastern Turkey And North Western Iran.

*Babylonia (Iraq) - belongs to the Babylonians (descendants of the Ancient Babylonians). Today's Southern Iraq

* Land of Israel - belongs to the Jews. This land is captivated by Arabs who claim to be "Palestinian" and "Jordanian". Although many Palestinians have Jewish origins. They ave been Arabized. Many Modern day state of Israel and the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan.

*Armenia - Western Armenia is occupied by the so called Turkey.

*Greece- Eastern Greece is occupied by the so called Turkey.

*Persia - (descendants of the Ancient Persians). Today's Iran for the most part.

* Kurdistan - Never existed in history . Their Origin is unknown and unclear but if the Kurds want a land , they should establish it on the Northern Iranian Territory where they belong, Lingistucally, Genetically ,Culturally. No Kurdistan on Assyria Or Armenia. We are not against Kurds but the kurds must know Assyria is Assyria and Armenia is Armenia. No Dream Land so called Kurdisan on Assyria Or Armenia.

* Phoenicia - belongs to the Lebanese people (descendants of the Phoenicians). This land is captivated by Arabs who claim to be "Lebanese". Modern day Lebanon and central-west Syria.

* Egypt (Kemet) - belongs to the Copts (descendants of the Ancient Egyptians). This land is captivated by Arabs who claim to be "Egyptian". Modern day Egypt, most-northern Sudan and most-eastern Libya.

* Arabia - The Land of the Arabs, For that , They are Arabs. Today's Sudia Arabia, AUE, Qutar, Yeman , Oman."

[Iltirbas]

The Eastern Roman and Sassanian empires would probably have endured each one few more centuries had those two peoples stayed still. Quite a different alternative timeline, really. Makes me wonder how would Persians and Greeks have dealt with the Mongol raids in this uchronia.

[Halgurd]

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[Profileid]

"
* Egypt (Kemet) - belongs to the Copts (descendants of the Ancient Egyptians). This land is captivated by Arabs who claim to be "Egyptian". Modern day Egypt, most-northern Sudan and most-eastern Libya.
"

Christian and Muslim Egyptians are almost genetically identical.

[JohnSmith]

http://img01.deviantart.net/5916/i/2014/105/8/8/arab_and_turkish_imperialism_of_the_middle_east__b y_johncena26-d7ej9xe.jpg

Perhaps it would be like this.

Seems like a lot of would of could of should of,,, monday morning quarterbacking.

[Pahli]

Assyria wouldn't have existed, but Asuristan (place / country of Assyrians) existed as a region under the Sassanids. If there was no Turkish incursions Iranian dominance over the Middle East and the Steppes would have been much greater.

[Squall Leonhart]

How about without Islam in general?


Assyria wouldn't have existed, but Asuristan (place / country of Assyrians) existed as a region under the Sassanids. If there was no Turkish incursions Iranian dominance over the Middle East and the Steppes would have been much greater.

You mean Central Asia?

[Pahli]

How about without Islam in general?



You mean Central Asia?

I would assume the Scytho-Sarmatians would have kept control of the Steppes in Europe, Russia and parts of Asia for much longer if there were no Turkish / Turkic incursions

Central Asia would most likely have been Iranic speaking today

[Squall Leonhart]

I would assume the Scytho-Sarmatians would have kept control of the Steppes in Europe, Russia and parts of Asia for much longer if there were no Turkish / Turkic incursions

Central Asia would most likely have been Iranic speaking today

Yeah I agree.

[Egyptian]

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https://studentaffairs.duke.edu/sites/default/files/u110/ws_Morocco_flag_1920x1080.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

How about without Islam in general?

Without Islam the Middle-East would probably be one of the most advanced regions of the globe, instead of one that contributes the least to knowledge and human progress.

https://youtu.be/Fl1nJC3lvFs?t=6m42s

[Wadaad]

http://img01.deviantart.net/5916/i/2014/105/8/8/arab_and_turkish_imperialism_of_the_middle_east__b y_johncena26-d7ej9xe.jpg

Perhaps it would be like this.

beautiful map...Islam still has the core of the world's ancient civilizations conquered. It is good to be reminded how much Islam changed the world...the upcoming challenges seem trivial in comparison

[Egyptian]

beautiful map...Islam still has the core of the world's ancient civilizations conquered. It is good to be reminded how much Islam changed the world...the upcoming challenges seem trivial in comparison

the dude is ignorant .. he claims christian egypt is the successor of ancient egypt .. christians themselves here use the greek alphabet not the Egyptian alphabet.

[Porn Master]

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https://studentaffairs.duke.edu/sites/default/files/u110/ws_Morocco_flag_1920x1080.jpg




this is a satanic symbol lol

[Wadaad]

the dude is ignorant .. he claims christian egypt is the successor of ancient egypt .. christians themselves here use the greek alphabet not the Egyptian alphabet.

Most here are Eurocentrics and I do not respect or desire to engage them in true historic discourse. For eg, the fact that it was the Copts who destroyed the ancient Egyptian religion, not Muslims.

[Egyptian]

Most here are Eurocentrics and I do not respect or desire to engage them in true historic discourse. For eg, the fact that it was the Copts who destroyed the ancient Egyptian religion, not Muslims.

they even killed Arius
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%B3

and changed our alphabet to the greek alphabet and yet they claim to be the original egyptians , ya original rofl

[Profileid]

they even killed Arius
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%B3

and changed our alphabet to the greek alphabet and yet they claim to be the original egyptians , ya original rofl
akhi
Why wouldn't they be the original Egyptians?

[Egyptian]

akhi
Why wouldn't they be the original Egyptians?

because egypt got mixed since the greeks and romans.

[Sekarotuinen]

Coptic flag looks like the Finnish one.

[Sekarotuinen]

the dude is ignorant .. he claims christian egypt is the successor of ancient egypt .. christians themselves here use the greek alphabet not the Egyptian alphabet.
Really? I thought the Copts used the Egyptian (aka Coptic language) and it's script.

[Sekarotuinen]

they even killed Arius
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%B3

and changed our alphabet to the greek alphabet and yet they claim to be the original egyptians , ya original rofl
Neither Copts nor Egyptians are like the ancient Egyptians. Egypt has been conquered by MANY different groups since then. The Copts just have less influence from the Arab conquest.

[Dandelion]

Really? I thought the Copts used the Egyptian (aka Coptic language) and it's script.

Coptic script is a descendant from the Greek script, but not entirely the same indeed. Also, Latin, Greek, Coptic and Arabic scripts all descend from the Phoenician script anyway (which might have been derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs, but that's just a hypothesis).

We're also currently writing in the Latin script coming from those Latin olive-eaters and we don't even care or mind.

[Böri]

Nigga the history doesnt work with ifs. If colonialism never happened you wouldn't have slavery and if there was no slavery you wouldn't West African DNA. But it happened and you have some with that DNA.

[Daler Mendhi]

Neither Copts nor Egyptians are like the ancient Egyptians. Egypt has been conquered by MANY different groups since then. The Copts just have less influence from the Arab conquest.
Nice sock crazyladybutterfly.

[Sekarotuinen]

Nice sock crazyladybutterfly.
Lol, I think you can look at my post history and see that she and I disagree on quitr a lotm

[Daler Mendhi]

Lol, I think you can look at my post history and see that she and I disagree on quitr a lotm

Socks can be interesting. Talking to yourself and making things seem different from what they actually are

[Dandelion]

Lol, I think you can look at my post history and see that she and I disagree on quitr a lotm

Your suggestion for writing Arabic in Latin script might be her Italian imperialism speaking.

[Sekarotuinen]

Your suggestion for writing Arabic in Latin script might be her Italian imperialism speaking.
Nah, I just think the whole world should be on one writing system, left-to-right is objectively better than right-to-left, and Latin script is the most common.

[Daler Mendhi]

Nah, I just think the whole world should be on one writing system, left-to-right is objectively better than right-to-left, and Latin script is the most common.

Chutiya

[Gold-Shekel]

Without Islam the Middle-East would probably be one of the most advanced regions of the globe, instead of one that contributes the least to knowledge and human progress.

https://youtu.be/Fl1nJC3lvFs?t=6m42s

Before Islam Middle-Eastern people used to burry female infants alive while Europeans were burning all Roman & Greek knowledge, saying "Without Islam M-E would be the most advanced region" is what dumb alt right people say because they heard other people say it.

[ariel]

Before Islam Middle-Eastern people used to burry female infants alive while Europeans were burning all Roman & Greek knowledge, saying "Without Islam M-E would be the most advanced region" is what dumb alt right people say because they heard other people say it.

Maybe without the abrahamic religions the world could be better place

[Gold-Shekel]

Maybe without the abrahamic religions the world could be better place


What would they have had instead? Polytheism?

[ariel]

What would they have had instead? Polytheism?

Polytheism and later atheism .....

[Peterski]

But what is Azerbaijan doing there? :D

There would be no Azerbaijan as well.

[Selurong]

beautiful map...Islam still has the core of the world's ancient civilizations conquered. It is good to be reminded how much Islam changed the world...the upcoming challenges seem trivial in comparison

That's just irrelevant ancient history now. Islam controls the desertified and war-torn "core" areas of the world. In reality, the political and economic center of gravity moved from the Old World to the Americas centuries ago and now, the 21st century will be the Pacific Century an era of prestige for Asia and the Americas. The Middle East isn't the center of power anymore.

[ariel]

That's just irrelevant ancient history now. Islam controls the desertified and war-torn "core" areas of the world. In reality, the political and economic center of gravity moved from the Old World to the Americas centuries ago and now, the 21st century will be the Pacific Century an era of prestige for Asia and the Americas. The Middle East isn't the center of power anymore.

Except maybe israel who is hi-tech superpower.

[Dandelion]

But what is Azerbaijan doing there? :D

There would be no Azerbaijan as well.

Azari language used to be an Iranic language. But the map doesn't focus on the countries outside of the ones highlighted of course and it might or might not have belonged to Persia to be realistic. :P

[Selurong]

Except maybe israel who is hi-tech superpower.

Israel is just the exception, most of the Middle East is a war-torn dessert.

[Charles Bronson]

Its not a matter, your pic is a dumb idea from a 10 years old child, when the Turks not influecend the MENA countrys then would do this another nation, the strongest military would be change the ethnicity from the conquerd nation, it has been happening for thousands of years.

Ps. You do the same in Latin-America.

[Kamal900]

Israel is just the exception, most of the Middle East is a war-torn dessert.

Arabian countries(except Yemen), Kuwait, Iran and Jordan are NOT war torn countries. I live in the UAE, and it's considered to be one of the safest countries in the world(2nd safest in the world after Finland):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/safest-countries-in-the-world/

[Selurong]

Arabian countries(except Yemen), Kuwait, Iran and Jordan are NOT war torn countries. I live in the UAE, and it's considered to be one of the safest countries in the world(2nd safest in the world after Finland):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/safest-countries-in-the-world/

Ok. Arab countries in the Gulf would be another exception too.

[zghiara]

Looks the same to me.

[Selurong]

Its not a matter, your pic is a dumb idea from a 10 years old child, when the Turks not influecend the MENA countrys then would do this another nation, the strongest military would be change the ethnicity from the conquerd nation, it has been happening for thousands of years.

Ps. You do the same in Latin-America.


WTF. Dude, he's Portuguese not Spanish. Most of the Spanish colonies are in the Americas (Except the Philippines) while most of the Portuguese colonies (Except Brazil) are in your part of the world, the Afro-Eurasian area.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Portuguese_discoveries_and_explorationsV2en.png

Btw, it was mostly Muslim areas they colonized. It's too bad that out of all their Eastern colonies, only Timor Leste permanently converted from Islam to Christianity. The rest reverted to their heathen Islamic beliefs.

[Numidia]

Before Islam Middle-Eastern people used to burry female infants alive while Europeans were burning all Roman & Greek knowledge, saying "Without Islam M-E would be the most advanced region" is what dumb alt right people say because they heard other people say it.


Without Islam the Middle-East would probably be one of the most advanced regions of the globe, instead of one that contributes the least to knowledge and human progress.

https://youtu.be/Fl1nJC3lvFs?t=6m42s

Another lost soul who attacks islam with fake arguments
This place was invaded by many people so your accusations are ridiculous
ottomans have protected the middle east, they were thanked with treachery
Middle east christians are very stupid and traitors, when there is a conflit they are the first to runaway
And when you see a egyptian with a bad behaviour it's always a christian

[ariel]

Another lost soul who attacks islam with fake arguments
This place was invaded by many people so your accusations are ridiculous
ottomans have protected the middle east, they were thanked with treachery
Middle east christians are very stupid and traitors, when there is a conflit they are the first to runaway
And when you see a egyptian with a bad behaviour it's always a christian
Loooooooool you should be comedian....

[Numidia]

Before Islam Middle-Eastern people used to burry female infants alive while Europeans were burning all Roman & Greek knowledge, saying "Without Islam M-E would be the most advanced region" is what dumb alt right people say because they heard other people say it.


Loooooooool you should be comedian....

I think you and your fellows are the best for that

[ariel]

I think you and your fellows are the best for that

Yeah jewish comedians are great and funny...muslims are just a joke lool

[Dandelion]

I'm sceptical about the 'burrying female infants' thing. Burning Roman and Greek knowledge is bogus too. 1) it's not easy to preserve books, especially with no printing press and the absence of paper or its ancient precursor papyrus 2) the Western Roman Empire had become the backwater of what used to be the Roman Empire, Emperor Constantine moving the capital to Constantinople exacerbated that evolution 3) Rome at one point only had a population of just 50,000 people where it used to be 1 million as a result of barbarian invasions and the entire economy collapsing. Efforts by Emperor Justinian I to reconquer it for the East Roman Empire during the 6th century AD in were stifled by an outbreak of the plague, one of the worst medieval epidemic disasters to have ever happened.

If anything, area muslims conquered were civilised before Islam got there. I'm looking at mainly the Levant and possibly North Africa there.

[Profileid]

Maybe without the abrahamic religions the world could be better place

Indeed.
Israel would never have existed in that case.

Except maybe israel who is hi-tech superpower.

Because your theieving tribe members took over western governments and forced them to give money to Israel.

[ariel]

I think you and your fellows are the best for that


Indeed.
Israel would never have existed in that case.


Because your theieving tribe members took over western governments and forced them to give money to Israel.

No its just the jewish brain my friend .....

[Freeroostah]

Assyria wouldn't have existed, but Asuristan (place / country of Assyrians) existed as a region under the Sassanids. If there was no Turkish incursions Iranian dominance over the Middle East and the Steppes would have been much greater.

This plus if it wasn't for the Arab and Turkic invasions, the whole Middle East would have been divided between the Byzantines and the Sassanids

[Profileid]

No its just the jewish brain my friend .....
The Jewish brain.

"There is a brutal sex scene in a toilet stall, there are French kisses and tender embraces with a bloody multilated cadaver and a nine year old boy's navel is hideously carved from his body....and two middle aged lovers have sex in the back of a truck filled with rotting,maggot infested garbage"

"Bob Weinstein sat in a screening of the Greenaway film,observed nearly half the audience walking out in disgust and called his brother to insist they must buy the film."

[Kamal900]

I think you and your fellows are the best for that

Uhh, why are you against Israel and Jews again? Don't most Berbers support the Jews and Israel in Europe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspNotx0Gg8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oikJ7OI6yDQ

Are you living in Europe by any chance? Don't worry, you and your fellow Muslims along with the Jews will be out of Europe soon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHnDe2xoQzs

Europe for Europeans ONLY!

[Kamal900]

The Jewish brain.

http://i.imgur.com/eyX26Et.png
http://oi42.tinypic.com/ejg0tt.jpg

[ariel]

The Jewish brain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0ytInWKL1k

[ariel]

http://i.imgur.com/eyX26Et.png
http://oi42.tinypic.com/ejg0tt.jpg

ONLY 9 % OF THE ISRAELI POPULATION ARE ULTRA ORTHODOX AND 3-4 % ARE RELIGIOUS THE REST ARE SECULARS AND ATHEISTS MOST THE ISRAELI POPULATION KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE TALMUD

[ariel]

Btw its just be great if more jews will makes aliya to israel these people are very talented

[Egyptian]

No its just the jewish brain my friend .....

Not really ..

there is nothing called jewish brain , your state is built on immigrants who came from Russia or Germany or MENA or Africa or what so ever .. a lot of them were well educated and even part of the military forces who have served in the countries i mentioned above.

plus , your state was built under the protection of U.K with the approve of U.S and blessing of soviet union.

on the other hand let's compare it to Egypt for example , more than 50 battle , war and invasion since 1800 , weak economy and troubles everywhere.

most of our nuclear scientists were assassinated by Mossad so they would stop Egypt from being developed and strong country again , for example:

1-Moustafa Mushrafa ( the one with the idea of Hydrogen bomb) .. was killed by mossad

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Ali_Mosharrafa_1.jpg

2-Samir Naguib ( atoms scientist).

http://www.gololy.com/gallery/10000/55520_0.jpg

3-said bedir (satellites scientist)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/43/29/04/d8b3d810.jpg

4- Samria Mousa (first Egyptian Atoms scientst).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/SameeraMoussa.jpg

and others , i just made a short list.

all of these people killed by mossad , so they can say hey look , israel is the only developed country.

well guess what , israeli brain is nothing compared to MUSLIM Egyptian brain (if you wanna speak about religions i've no problem).

you people even your Kabala books and Talmud based on Egyptian books.

[ariel]

Not really ..

there is nothing called jewish brain , your state is built on immigrants who came from Russia or Germany or MENA or Africa or what so ever .. a lot of them were well educated and even part of the military forces who have served in the countries i mentioned above.

plus , your state was built under the protection of U.K with the approve of U.S and blessing of soviet union.

on the other hand let's compare it to Egypt for example , more than 50 battle , war and invasion since 1800 , weak economy and troubles everywhere.

most of our nuclear scientists were assassinated by Mossad so they would stop Egypt from being developed and strong country again , for example:

1-Moustafa Mushrafa ( the one with the idea of Hydrogen bomb) .. was killed by mossad

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Ali_Mosharrafa_1.jpg

2-Samir Naguib ( atoms scientist).

http://www.gololy.com/gallery/10000/55520_0.jpg

3-said bedir (satellites scientist)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/43/29/04/d8b3d810.jpg

4- Samria Mousa (first Egyptian Atoms scientst).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/SameeraMoussa.jpg

and others , i just made a short list.

all of these people killed by mossad , so they can say hey look , israel is the only developed country.

well guess what , israeli brain is nothing compared to MUSLIM Egyptian brain (if you wanna speak about religions i've no problem).

you people even your Kabala books and Talmud based on Egyptian books.

Im talked about hi tech israel is superpower second only to united states.....its just true...

[crazyladybutterfly]

it would have been a more peaceful world lol

[Root]

http://img01.deviantart.net/5916/i/2014/105/8/8/arab_and_turkish_imperialism_of_the_middle_east__b y_johncena26-d7ej9xe.jpg

Perhaps it would be like this.




This is the true map..

[Egyptian]

Im talked about hi tech israel is superpower second only to united states.....its just true...

Nah , there is something called Japan or Germany or China .. etc.

Israeli is good about 3 things
building drones , well armored trucks and crying on the media every time hamas defends Gaza and launch a rocket lol.

[Kamal900]

ONLY 9 % OF THE ISRAELI POPULATION ARE ULTRA ORTHODOX AND 3-4 % ARE RELIGIOUS THE REST ARE SECULARS AND ATHEISTS MOST THE ISRAELI POPULATION KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE TALMUD

Please, many Rabbis and Jews that attend the Synogouges every now and then are atheists. The article highlights the fact that many outspoken atheists are active, even leaders, in synagogues. It shows that Judaism does not demand belief in God, only adherence to Jewish laws. It shows how one-half of all “religious” Jews don’t believe in God. And, it shows that these atheist Jews take part in Judaism not because of any belief in God, but as a connection to the Jewish people, one of blood rather than religious faith in God. Here are some quotes from the article:


“Atheism and Judaism are not contradictory, so to have an atheist in a Jewish congregation isn’t an issue or a challenge or a problem,…Unlike other religions, Judaism has often embraced its atheist strain.”

“Atheism is entrenched in American Judaism. In researching their book American Grace, authors Robert Putnam and David Campbell found that half [Approximately 50 Percent] of all American Jews doubt God’s existence.”

“They go because they want some kind of ethnic identity,” Magid said. “They don’t care about the prayers. It allows them to feel a sense of Jewishness, but has little to do with religion…”

That’s what prompted Jennifer Cohen Oko, a Washington, D.C.-based writer, to join a Reform synagogue, her first. Neither Cohen nor her husband believe in God, but, like many Jews, they joined for their two children.

“I want my kids to understand they are Jewish, to be proud of being Jewish and to understand their heritage,” Cohen said…
https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-09-26/jew-atheist-god/50553958/1

Could you imagine anyone leading activities and functions in the Catholic church who outspokenly says he is an atheist? On any one with recognition in the Muslim faith saying he doesn’t believe in Allah (God)? Judaism is far outside of any understanding of religion as most people comprehend it.

They tolerate the religion because they view it as an apparatus to maintain their Jewishness and solidarity as a people, as an instrument of power for the interests of the Jewish people. In truth, Judaism itself is actually a racial supremacist doctrine that essentially worships Jews as God and views the rest of humanity less than human! The title of a paper by a influential Jewish Professor at a leading university in Israel says it all: “Only Jews are Men!” The Daat Emet website in Israel exposes all of this!

Hmm, let's see what Ovadia Yusef thinks about us gentiles:


“With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

https://davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/rabbiyosefjerusalemk-pos-yello0w-smallt.jpg

http://www.jta.org/2010/10/18/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/sephardi-leader-yosef-non-jews-exist-to-serve-jews

Hmm, what do secular Jews like Benhamin Netanyahu thinks about Ovadia Yusef?


Netanyahu called the late rabbi a “great scholar” and said Yosef “uniquely combined Judaism and humanity” and “cared deeply for anyone in need.”

“We’ve been left orphans,” Aryeh Deri, the political leader of the Shas political party steered by Yosef, wailed at a funeral ceremony. “We have no father. We have no leader.”

According to the Times of Israel, Yosef was a “genius of Torah who brought thousands closer to Jewish halacha” (laws).

Israeli President Shimon Peres paid personal tribute, saying that he “was a great man with an unbelievable memory and the wisdom to share his knowledge with others. His contribution was his love for Israel and he solved problems no-one else could solve using his wisdom and spirituality.”

According to the new Sephardic Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef–the son of the recently deceased former chief, there “was no one like him, and there will not be in the future.”

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was quoted as saying that Chief Rabbi Yosef was “one of the most important Jewish legal authorities of our generation.”

https://davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/yosef-larges-funeral-in-israel-histsory-small.jpg

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israelis-from-across-spectrum-express-grief-over-yosefs-death/

Your not fooling anybody here by claiming that these disgusting and Jewish supremacist teachings from the Talmud and the Torah is not believed by millions of Jews worldwide. When will Jews ever apologize for their role in Communism that butchered over 70 MILLION White European Christians of eastern and central Europe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km6u4L1JsmY

[Kamal900]

Not really ..

there is nothing called jewish brain , your state is built on immigrants who came from Russia or Germany or MENA or Africa or what so ever .. a lot of them were well educated and even part of the military forces who have served in the countries i mentioned above.

plus , your state was built under the protection of U.K with the approve of U.S and blessing of soviet union.

on the other hand let's compare it to Egypt for example , more than 50 battle , war and invasion since 1800 , weak economy and troubles everywhere.

most of our nuclear scientists were assassinated by Mossad so they would stop Egypt from being developed and strong country again , for example:

1-Moustafa Mushrafa ( the one with the idea of Hydrogen bomb) .. was killed by mossad

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Ali_Mosharrafa_1.jpg

2-Samir Naguib ( atoms scientist).

http://www.gololy.com/gallery/10000/55520_0.jpg

3-said bedir (satellites scientist)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/43/29/04/d8b3d810.jpg

4- Samria Mousa (first Egyptian Atoms scientst).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/SameeraMoussa.jpg

and others , i just made a short list.

all of these people killed by mossad , so they can say hey look , israel is the only developed country.

well guess what , israeli brain is nothing compared to MUSLIM Egyptian brain (if you wanna speak about religions i've no problem).

you people even your Kabala books and Talmud based on Egyptian books.

Jews were also responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Christians in eastern and central Europe via communism.

[The Destroyer]

I'm sceptical about the 'burrying female infants' thing. Burning Roman and Greek knowledge is bogus too. 1) it's not easy to preserve books, especially with no printing press and the absence of paper or its ancient precursor papyrus 2) the Western Roman Empire had become the backwater of what used to be the Roman Empire, Emperor Constantine moving the capital to Constantinople exacerbated that evolution 3) Rome at one point only had a population of just 50,000 people where it used to be 1 million as a result of barbarian invasions and the entire economy collapsing. Efforts by Emperor Justinian I to reconquer it for the East Roman Empire during the 6th century AD in were stifled by an outbreak of the plague, one of the worst medieval epidemic disasters to have ever happened.

If anything, area muslims conquered were civilised before Islam got there. I'm looking at mainly the Levant and possibly North Africa there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

[wvwvw]

Coptic script is a descendant from the Greek script, but not entirely the same indeed. Also, Latin, Greek, Coptic and Arabic scripts all descend from the Phoenician script anyway (which might have been derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs, but that's just a hypothesis).

We're also currently writing in the Latin script coming from those Latin olive-eaters and we don't even care or mind.

LMAO The Greek script does not descend from the Phoenician script. Greek Cadmain script and early Phoenician were the same script in 1400 BC. One did not come from the other. They both came independently from Proto-Sinaitic.

Herodotus says that Cadmus brought the script with him to Greece from Egypt at the same time that Phoenix brought it to Phoenicia. NOT that it descend from Phoenician.

The source of the Cadmian script was Thebes not Asia-Minor. Cadmus was the cousin of Danaus and he founded Thebes with the help of the Sparti which Amenhotep III considers to be Danaoi since Eurydice the daughter of Lacedaemon (and sister of Amycals) was married to Acrisius.

Like I said the source of the cadmian script was Thebes not Asia Minor:

[Hdts. 5.59.1] I myself saw Cadmeian characters engraved upon some tripods
in the temple of Apollo Ismenias in Boeotian Thebes, most of them shaped
like the Ionian. One of the tripods has the inscription following:-

Me did Amphitryon place, from the far Teleboans coming.

This would be about the age of Laius, the son of Labdacus, the son of Polydorus, the son of Cadmus.

Digamma is in Proto-Sinaitic but not in Ionian script.

It was a temple built by Thasos the son of Celix the brother of Phoenix and Cadmus so they was no technically Phoenicians. They were Greek returning from Egypt. And keep in mind the Phoenicians of the bronze age were Phillistines who were Myceanean Greeks. Nothing to do with later Phoenicians.

Cadmian and Phoenician script came from a common source and that source was Sinai in Egypt. The historical texts say Cadmus and Phoenix ancestors came from Egypt and before that Greece.

If Cadmus came from Phoenicia, why would he bring Cadmian script? Herodotus is saying that Greek script was brought to Greece by Greeks from Egypt whose family ruled over the Phoenicians.

[Dandelion]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

And you thumbed me down for that?

[LoLeL]

The world without humans is the best thing that could happen for the Earth. Mass extinction, please. ;)

[Porn Master]

The world without humans is the best thing that could happen for the Earth. Mass extinction, please. ;)




only after you

[ariel]

Jews were also responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Christians in eastern and central Europe via communism.

Because jeish is not only religion but also a nation this not the case of christianity or islam.btw stallin killed millions during communism he was georgian and not jew. Btw these jews are reformed jews and not orthodox one reform rabbi can married gay couples thing who are banned in orthodox judaism.many reformed jews sre pro palestinians btw

[Jehan]

most of our nuclear scientists were assassinated by Mossad so they would stop Egypt from being developed and strong country again .

all of these people killed by mossad , so they can say hey look , israel is the only developed country.

well guess what , israeli brain is nothing compared to MUSLIM Egyptian brain (if you wanna speak about religions i've no problem).

you people even your Kabala books and Talmud based on Egyptian books.


You talk about nuclear scientists but they represent a very tiny minority of people.
Where are all your smart guys in other fields? Medecine, economy, informatic, ingeniors and so on...

Your acheivement as a nation (I speak about the muslim time of Egypt) is very low and was mainly due to the europeans immigrants.

[LoLeL]

only after you

It will happen whether we like it or not. Either by humans themselves or Earth's wrath.

[Kamal900]

Because jeish is not only religion but also a nation this not the case of christianity or islam.btw stallin killed millions during communism he was georgian and not jew. Btw these jews are reformed jews and not orthodox one reform rabbi can married gay couples thing who are banned in orthodox judaism.many reformed jews sre pro palestinians btw

These "reformed" Jews are just a microcosmic to the traditional Jewish orthodoxy. Stalin, like the Shabas goys in the White house, was installed by other Jewish commissariats after they ousted Trotsky AKA Lev Bronstein out of power. Anti-Antisemitism under Stalin in the 1930's was publishable by DEATH in the soviet union:
In answer to your inquiry :


National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

J. Stalin
January 12, 1931

First published in the newspaper Pravda, No. 329, November 30, 1936
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm

Oh, and even an Israeli historian even acknowledges on the fact that some of the greatest mass murderers of all time were jewish:


“We must not forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish,” Plocker started out by saying. He went on to make a number of startling confessions:

“Here’s a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

“Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

“We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

“Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, “opposition members” who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.

“In his new, highly praised book The War of the World, Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University’s Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.

“Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined ‘terror officials,’ cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.

“And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name Genrikh Yagoda, the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD.

“Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

“His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the “bloodthirsty dwarf.”
http://www.davidduke.com/images/yagoda1.jpg
(The Jew Genrikh Yagoda, director of the NKVD, the Soviet Union’s Stalin-era security and intelligence agency.)

Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his book Stalin: Court of the Red Star, Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

“Stalin’s close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the “first Stalinist” and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind, did not move Kaganovich.

“Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We’ll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD’s special department and the organization’s chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.
https://davidduke.com/stalins-jews-the-greatest-mass-murderers-of-all-time-excerpt-from-dr-dukes-new-book/
https://davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/sever-plocker-ynet-news-with-highlight-yellow73dpismall.png

https://davidduke.com/stalins-jews-the-greatest-mass-murderers-of-all-time-excerpt-from-dr-dukes-new-book/

[Egyptian]

You talk about nuclear scientists but they represent a very tiny minority of people.
Where are all your smart guys in other fields? Medecine, economy, informatic, ingeniors and so on...

Your acheivement as a nation (I speak about the muslim time of Egypt) is very low and was mainly due to the europeans immigrants.

ok , i will make a short list for you
1- Muhammed El-Baradi ( previous president of International Atomic Energy Agency)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Mohamed_ElBaradei.jpg/267px-Mohamed_ElBaradei.jpg

2-Ahmed Zewail (Noble prize of chemistry and nano technology)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Ahmed_Zewail_HD2009_Othmer_Gold_Medal_portrait.JPG

3-Farouk El-Baz (space scientist) (helped nasa to assist in the planning of scientific exploration of the Moon, including the selection of landing sites for the Apollo missions and the training of astronauts in lunar observations and photography.

http://img.parlmany.com/large/34230.jpg

4-Magdy Yakoup ( best heart surgeon in the world) and was awarded Sir title

http://www.alittihad.ae/assets/images/Dunia/2014/12/19/320x240/371018.jpeg

5-Moustafa Said (Mostafa A. El-Sayed (Arabic: مصطفى السيد) (born 8 May 1933) is an Egyptian-American chemical physicist, a leading nanoscience researcher, a member of the National Academy of Sciences and a US National Medal of Science laureate. He is also known for the spectroscopy rule named after him, the El-Sayed rule.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/MAE_Profile_I_031516.jpg/531px-MAE_Profile_I_031516.jpg

6-Hany Azir ( Designer of Berlin railways' Stations)

http://www.albawabhnews.com/upload/photo/news/195/6/600x338o/672.jpg?q=1


do you wanna more names?

[jingorex]

seems to me the British did more damage to the middle east and its future by drawing lines and forcing tribalist cultures to compete for power among nation-states.

[Numidia]

Uhh, why are you against Israel and Jews again? Don't most Berbers support the Jews and Israel in Europe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspNotx0Gg8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oikJ7OI6yDQ

Are you living in Europe by any chance? Don't worry, you and your fellow Muslims along with the Jews will be out of Europe soon:

https://
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHnDe2xoQzs

Europe for Europeans ONLY!

They don't support Israël they just recognize Israël superiority to took that land
I wish maghrebis who support Palestine, that will never be a country, would listen you
Our ancestors always fought invaders unlike your people who is waiting others help
And don't worry for muslims in Europe when jews don't even accept you in your own "land" even if you claim to be cousin of this mongrels
I have a european citizenship so you should only worry for yourself

[Kamal900]

They don't support Israël they just recognize Israël superiority to took that land
I wish maghrebis who support Palestine, that will never be a country, would listen you
Our ancestors always fought invaders unlike your people who is waiting others help
And don't worry for muslims in Europe when jews don't even accept you in your own "land" even if you claim to be cousin of this mongrels
I have a european citizenship so you should only worry for yourself

Actually, they do support Israel, and they want to establish their own homeland in North Africa too. Hell, Jews also had collaborated with the Moors against the Christians of Spain in the middle ages. Not to mention on the fact that Jews were the ones who opened up Europe's borders from North Africa and beyond, and really, you can see on what they are doing in countries like Spain, Belgium, France, Italy and other European countries that they inhabit in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCKhy0Y2Rfs

So..why are you against Jews and Israel in general again? I mean, if it wasn't for them you wouldn't be in Europe and you would be still living in North Africa. Again, White nationalism is growing rapidly in Europe. It's just a matter of time when all non-Whites are expelled from Europe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLO6N9IkCtU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFMH4T7ahqM

[Sekarotuinen]

Actually, they do support Israel, and they want to establish their own homeland in North Africa too. Hell, Jews also had collaborated with the Moors against the Christians of Spain in the middle ages. Not to mention on the fact that Jews were the ones who opened up Europe's borders from North Africa and beyond, and really, you can see on what they are doing in countries like Spain, Belgium, France, Italy and other European countries that they inhabit in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCKhy0Y2Rfs

So..why are you against Jews and Israel in general again? I mean, if it wasn't for them you wouldn't be in Europe and you would be still living in North Africa. Again, White nationalism is growing rapidly in Europe. It's just a matter of time when all non-Whites are expelled from Europe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLO6N9IkCtU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFMH4T7ahqM

OY VEY, goy... I mean guy, that post is VERY anti-semitic.

You wouldnt want to belittle the memory of the holocaust, would you?

[Kamal900]

OY VEY, goy... I mean guy, that post is VERY anti-semitic.

You wouldnt want to belittled the memory of the holocaust, would you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WN4Kjc3pK0

[user_]

North Eastern part would be Georgian.
Armenians never had access to Black Sea.

[Sekarotuinen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WN4Kjc3pK0
https://youtu.be/5gOx3j_hkwI

[StonyArabia]

Babylonains are largely extinct due to the Mongol invasions. Iraq is largely Arabian genetically culturally. Israel extends into Jordan hahaha, Jews never belonged there and never had a state. In fact two times they had a state they failed to the Assyrian and Babylonians lol.

[Kamal900]

Babylonains are largely extinct due to the Mongol invasions. Iraq is largely Arabian genetically culturally. Israel extends into Jordan hahaha, Jews never belonged there and never had a state. In fact two times they had a state they failed to the Assyrian and Babylonians lol.

B-b-but!! Muh shoah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

She's the disgusting Zionist Jewess that gloated the killing of 500,000 Iraqi children for Israel. And who are the necons that were responsible for the Iraq war in 2003?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFT88cMlQo

Neocon= A bunch of liberal kikes that turned to the republican party after they sensed the new left was becoming increasingly hostile to Israel, their first loyalty is to israel and they want to use american money, blood and power to change the middle east to make it more hospitable to israeli dominance.

Basically traitors and the same thing the juden do whenever they get into the halls of power in any country. I promise you what happened in every country where this parasite has previously gone to will happen in america. We're long overdue expelling these traitors.

Look up the Bret Stephens (Jew) say at the tikvah fund about american jews should be loyal to israel not america:
https://youtu.be/aRFsATqLjws?t=1h15m58s
"It is a scandal it seems to me if we fail to live up to the promise of our american citizenship to do all we can to assure the survival of the jewish state and the jewish people"

Notice how he's not interested in the survival of the american republic and the american republic.

Here is another neocon kike traitor Elliot Abrams:
"OUTSIDE THE LAND OF ISRAEL, THERE CAN BE NO DOUBT THAT JEWS, FAITHFUL TO THE COVENANT BETWEEN GOD AND ABRAHAM, ARE TO STAND APART FROM THE NATION IN WHICH THEY LIVE. IT IS THE VERY NATURE OF BEING JEWISH TO BE APART–EXCEPT IN ISRAEL–FROM THE REST OF THE POPULATION"

[StonyArabia]

B-b-but!! Muh shoah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

She's the disgusting Zionist Jewess that gloated the killing of 500,000 Iraqi children for Israel. And who are the necons that were responsible for the Iraq war in 2003?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFT88cMlQo

That pisses me off to no end,but their Anglo-Saxons pet are as guilty.

[Grab the Gauge]

Map of that region after WW3 is over:



http://i.imgur.com/1R5p9xB.png?1

[Sekarotuinen]

Babylonains are largely extinct due to the Mongol invasions. Iraq is largely Arabian genetically culturally. Israel extends into Jordan hahaha, Jews never belonged there and never had a state. In fact two times they had a state they failed to the Assyrian and Babylonians lol.
Yeah, Mongol invasions completely changed the Levant. 40% of the population of Mesopotamia died in the faminine immediately follieng the Mongol conquest, not to mention those directly killes by the Mongols, such as 99% of the city of Baghdad.

[Sekarotuinen]

Map of that region after WW3 is over:



http://i.imgur.com/1R5p9xB.png?1
I would prefer to live in a Walmart controlled world personally.

[Numidia]

Babylonains are largely extinct due to the Mongol invasions. Iraq is largely Arabian genetically culturally. Israel extends into Jordan hahaha, Jews never belonged there and never had a state. In fact two times they had a state they failed to the Assyrian and Babylonians lol.

Iraqis are not arabians some believe that because of the baathist/arabist brainwashing believe me I heard gulf arabians saying you're not arabians to foreigners
Iraq civilisation can't be compared to bedouins

[Melki]

http://img01.deviantart.net/5916/i/2014/105/8/8/arab_and_turkish_imperialism_of_the_middle_east__b y_johncena26-d7ej9xe.jpg

Perhaps it would be like this.

A good topic for an uchronia novelist.

Have you read Roma Eterna, by sci-fi author Robert Silverberg...

What would have happen if...

-The Hebrews never made their way out of Egypt?
-Jesus Christ was never born?
-Arminius, Alaric and Attila were all defeated by the Roman legions?
-The Roman Empire was never divided into two rival camps?
-Muhammad was murdered by a Roman agent who befriended him?

How would the world look like now, in an everlasting Roman Empire? I find these kinds of stories fascinating...

[Porn Master]

that middle east map is the pain in the ass

[Bosniensis]

It's funny when German wants to draw european borders even if they themselves conquered Europe in 5th century.

[Dandelion]

It's funny when German wants to draw european borders even if they themselves conquered Europe in 5th century.

Which German?

[wvwvw]

Which German?

Sigmund

[Bosniensis]

Which German?

How you mean which?

Everything north of Balkans, north of Sicily, north-west of Romania is populated by Germanic tribes that nowdays call themselves "nations"
Franks = France (no more Gaul and Celts), Longobardi = Lombardy (Italy), Saxons = captured Britannia, Visigoths captured Hispania etc..

Foreigners all of them.

[Kamal900]

Iraqis are not arabians some believe that because of the baathist/arabist brainwashing believe me I heard gulf arabians saying you're not arabians to foreigners
Iraq civilisation can't be compared to bedouins

Nah, they are Arabians, and they cluster the closest to other Arabian peoples like Bedouins, Jordanians and so on. Btw, why are you in Europe if you are SOO proud to be a Berber? The European colonists left North Africa and had given your freedom. Living off the backs of Whites in France and other countries in Europe, how typical.

[Dandelion]

Imagine one day your civilization gets overrun by these people, bringing along their 'culture'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ_QD7-3KiE

That's how the Romans felt.

[Al-Meksiki]

clearly someone doesn't know how to do alt history

[Kamal900]

A good topic for an uchronia novelist.

Have you read Roma Eterna, by sci-fi author Robert Silverberg...

What would have happen if...

-The Hebrews never made their way out of Egypt?
-Jesus Christ was never born?
-Arminius, Alaric and Attila were all defeated by the Roman legions?
-The Roman Empire was never divided into two rival camps?
-Muhammad was murdered by a Roman agent who befriended him?

How would the world look like now, in an everlasting Roman Empire? I find these kinds of stories fascinating...

I find it fascinating that you adhere to the Antifa scum bags.
http://zupimages.net/up/17/16/1f55.jpg

[Sekarotuinen]

Nah, they are Arabians, and they cluster the closest to other Arabian peoples like Bedouins, Jordanians and so on. Btw, why are you in Europe if you are SOO proud to be a Berber? The European colonists left North Africa and had given your freedom. Living off the backs of Whites in France and other countries in Europe, how typical.
IIRC, genetically Palestinians and Lebanese cluster the furthest from the rest of thr Arabs, mostly due to not being genocided and replaced by the Mongols.

[StonyArabia]

Iraqis are not arabians some believe that because of the baathist/arabist brainwashing believe me I heard gulf arabians saying you're not arabians to foreigners
Iraq civilisation can't be compared to bedouins

Iraqis especially Western and Southern Iraqis are descendants of Bedouin tribes. What happened was that Southern Iraqis adopted Shiaism by force when the Safavid Persians forced them into it. Another aspect for the adoption of Shiaism was that the Shia clerks at Najaf and Karbala who encouraged as means to fight to rebel against the Ottomans, and also to stop the new movement that had sweeped Northern Arabia known as Wahabis. Well the tribes in Western Iraq, refused to adopt Shiaism as for them their grudge against the Safavids who were a Persian dynasty is fresh to this day, and hence why they use the term as insult toward Persians. When the Mongols invaded in 1258, they heavily depopulated the region and made it into desert. Those who survived the Mongol onslaught took refuge in Egypt and India. Thus in the 15th century, Iraq was heavily depopulated, and this laid the way for Arabian Bedouin tribes to enter into Iraq such as Bani Lam, Bani Tamim, Anzah, Shammar, and of course the large Al-Muntifaq confederation. Well the Arabs in the North especially in Mosul are largely descendants of former Christians who were forced into Islam by Timur and later the savage Turko-Persians known as the Black Sheep Turkmens and the White sheep Turkmens. Also Iraq suffered a lot from the these two blood thirsty Persio-Turk tribes who laid the seeds of sectarianism as the Black Sheep Turkmens adopted Shiaism well the White sheep Turkmens were Sunni. After this the Persian Safavid dynasty appears, and they invade Southern Iraq at the point of the sword they force the Arab tribes into Shiaism. After this the Ottoman are welcomed as liberators against the Safavids. The Ottomans also defeat the Safavids and expel them from Baghdad. It was said there was cry of joy and happiness at the victory of the Ottomans. Thus despite all of this, Shiaism was a minority religion in Iraq. Despite the heavy efforts of missionary work on the Western tribes to adopt the creed of Shiaism, it was often rejected, well it became readily for adoption, as the Ottoman admin became more Turk nationalist, and also Najaf and Karbala missionaries tried to put an Arab element to it, so the Arabian tribes can accept it, especially after they settled. Despite the Safavid brutal grip, North Arabian tribes readily raided the Safavid domain. After the Persian rule of the Safavids and partially the Afsharids, which is bitterly remembered to this day. Well Ottoman rule is seen as positive and negative. At the same time Iran began to steal Arab lands especially the islands and Ahwaz which they themselves call Arabistan. After that more and more Arabian tribes began to move into Iraq. In fact Iraqis are sometimes more Arabian than people in Arabia, especially those who don't have tribes or who have generic names like Bukhari, Sindi which indicate they have non-Arabian ancestry especially in the Hejaz which is an Islamic melting pot. Not to mention the Iraqi Arabic dailect especially the Southern one is close to the Arabian dialect with little to no difference. Also the Iraqi Arab tribes are organized in similar ways.

The old Mesopotamians had become wiped off by the Mongols and later the blood thirsty Persio-Turkmen tribes like the Black sheep Turkmen and White sheep Turkmens. Then later the Safavids who had spilled a lot of blood. Then after that the Ottomans who had positive and negative rule upon the region. Finally after the Arab revolt, Iraq becomes a British mandate. Originally the British had wanted Sheikh Khazal to be the ruler of Iraq, because he was liked for being a nationalist and was anti-Persian, but this did not happen, and the Hashamite took rule and they were one of the best rulers for Iraq to date, despite Ahmed Baker was probably was one of the best rulers, because the rulers of post 2003 are idiots and are stooges and clowns who only brought the sectarianism of non-Arabs into the region and want to Persianize us in one way or another. Thus we are Arabians and the pride of Arabians. You are from North Africa thus you don't know much about history, culture and religion with all due respect. Gulf Arabs include Iraq in most things, but at the same time they are worried about Iran's influence in the region, however UAE and Saudi Arabia are the best allies, and especially the people, not the monarchies perhaps. Kuwait was part of our land, before the Anglo-Saxon pigs severed it from us, and brought the street robbers known as Al-Sabbah to rule over it. Also not all the monarchs of the Gulf are bad people, they produced a great man like King Fisal of Saudi Arabia, he is one of my heroes and know king Salman is becoming like him.

[Kamal900]

Iraqis especially Western and Southern Iraqis are descendants of Bedouin tribes. What happened was that Southern Iraqis adopted Shiaism by force when the Safavid Persians forced them into it. Another aspect for the adoption of Shiaism was that the Shia clerks at Najaf and Karbala who encouraged as means to fight to rebel against the Ottomans, and also to stop the new movement that had sweeped Northern Arabia known as Wahabis. Well the tribes in Western Iraq, refused to adopt Shiaism as for them their grudge against the Safavids who were a Persian dynasty is fresh to this day, and hence why they use the term as insult toward Persians. When the Mongols invaded in 1258, they heavily depopulated the region and made it into desert. Those who survived the Mongol onslaught took refuge in Egypt and India. Thus in the 15th century, Iraq was heavily depopulated, and this laid the way for Arabian Bedouin tribes to enter into Iraq such as Bani Lam, Bani Tamim, Anzah, Shammar, and of course the large Al-Muntifaq confederation. Well the Arabs in the North especially in Mosul are largely descendants of former Christians who were forced into Islam by Timur and later the savage Turko-Persians known as the Black Sheep Turkmens and the White sheep Turkmens. Also Iraq suffered a lot from the these two blood thirsty Persio-Turk tribes who laid the seeds of sectarianism as the Black Sheep Turkmens adopted Shiaism well the White sheep Turkmens were Sunni. After this the Persian Safavid dynasty appears, and they invade Southern Iraq at the point of the sword they force the Arab tribes into Shiaism. After this the Ottoman are welcomed as liberators against the Safavids. The Ottomans also defeat the Safavids and expel them from Baghdad. It was said there was cry of joy and happiness at the victory of the Ottomans. Thus despite all of this, Shiaism was a minority religion in Iraq. Despite the heavy efforts of missionary work on the Western tribes to adopt the creed of Shiaism, it was often rejected, well it became readily for adoption, as the Ottoman admin became more Turk nationalist, and also Najaf and Karbala missionaries tried to put an Arab element to it, so the Arabian tribes can accept it, especially after they settled. Despite the Safavid brutal grip, North Arabian tribes readily raided the Safavid domain. After the Persian rule of the Safavids and partially the Afsharids, which is bitterly remembered to this day. Well Ottoman rule is seen as positive and negative. At the same time Iran began to steal Arab lands especially the islands and Ahwaz which they themselves call Arabistan. After that more and more Arabian tribes began to move into Iraq. In fact Iraqis are sometimes more Arabian than people in Arabia, especially those who don't have tribes or who have generic names like Bukhari, Sindi which indicate they have non-Arabian ancestry especially in the Hejaz which is an Islamic melting pot. Not to mention the Iraqi Arabic dailect especially the Southern one is close to the Arabian dialect with little to no difference. Also the Iraqi Arab tribes are organized in similar ways.

The old Mesopotamians had become wiped off by the Mongols and later the blood thirsty Persio-Turkmen tribes like the Black sheep Turkmen and White sheep Turkmens. Then later the Safavids who had spilled a lot of blood. Then after that the Ottomans who had positive and negative rule upon the region. Finally after the Arab revolt, Iraq becomes a British mandate. Originally the British had wanted Sheikh Khazal to be the ruler of Iraq, because he was liked for being a nationalist and was anti-Persian, but this did not happen, and the Hashamite took rule and they were one of the best rulers for Iraq to date, despite Ahmed Baker was probably was one of the best rulers, because the rulers of post 2003 are idiots and are stooges and clowns who only brought the sectarianism of non-Arabs into the region and want to Persianize us in one way or another. Thus we are Arabians and the pride of Arabians. You are from North Africa thus you don't know much about history, culture and religion with all due respect. Gulf Arabs include Iraq in most things, but at the same time they are worried about Iran's influence in the region, however UAE and Saudi Arabia are the best allies, and especially the people, not the monarchies perhaps. Kuwait was part of our land, before the Anglo-Saxon pigs severed it from us, and brought the street robbers known as Al-Sabbah to rule over it. Also not all the monarchs of the Gulf are bad people, they produced a great man like King Fisal of Saudi Arabia, he is one of my heroes and know king Salman is becoming like him.

That Berber scum should learn her place rather than telling others on what ethnic identity they should identify themselves as. I wish that all of the scumy north africans(with the exception of Egyptians) should return back to their language and identity back. These 1/4 Negroid admixed quadroon are giving us a really bad name.

[The.Mask]

That Berber scum should learn her place rather than telling others on what ethnic identity they should identify themselves as. I wish that all of the scumy north africans(with the exception of Egyptians) should return back to their language and identity back. These 1/4 Negroid admixed quadroon are giving us a really bad name.

She is a mongrel like most north africans. Iraqis at least are partially descendants of desert beduins but most north africans are rape of springs of Arabs and forced to arabization.

They are also mulattoes to a certain degree.

[Numidia]

Iraqis especially Western and Southern Iraqis are descendants of Bedouin tribes. What happened was that Southern Iraqis adopted Shiaism by force when the Safavid Persians forced them into it. Another aspect for the adoption of Shiaism was that the Shia clerks at Najaf and Karbala who encouraged as means to fight to rebel against the Ottomans, and also to stop the new movement that had sweeped Northern Arabia known as Wahabis. Well the tribes in Western Iraq, refused to adopt Shiaism as for them their grudge against the Safavids who were a Persian dynasty is fresh to this day, and hence why they use the term as insult toward Persians. When the Mongols invaded in 1258, they heavily depopulated the region and made it into desert. Those who survived the Mongol onslaught took refuge in Egypt and India. Thus in the 15th century, Iraq was heavily depopulated, and this laid the way for Arabian Bedouin tribes to enter into Iraq such as Bani Lam, Bani Tamim, Anzah, Shammar, and of course the large Al-Muntifaq confederation. Well the Arabs in the North especially in Mosul are largely descendants of former Christians who were forced into Islam by Timur and later the savage Turko-Persians known as the Black Sheep Turkmens and the White sheep Turkmens. Also Iraq suffered a lot from the these two blood thirsty Persio-Turk tribes who laid the seeds of sectarianism as the Black Sheep Turkmens adopted Shiaism well the White sheep Turkmens were Sunni. After this the Persian Safavid dynasty appears, and they invade Southern Iraq at the point of the sword they force the Arab tribes into Shiaism. After this the Ottoman are welcomed as liberators against the Safavids. The Ottomans also defeat the Safavids and expel them from Baghdad. It was said there was cry of joy and happiness at the victory of the Ottomans. Thus despite all of this, Shiaism was a minority religion in Iraq. Despite the heavy efforts of missionary work on the Western tribes to adopt the creed of Shiaism, it was often rejected, well it became readily for adoption, as the Ottoman admin became more Turk nationalist, and also Najaf and Karbala missionaries tried to put an Arab element to it, so the Arabian tribes can accept it, especially after they settled. Despite the Safavid brutal grip, North Arabian tribes readily raided the Safavid domain. After the Persian rule of the Safavids and partially the Afsharids, which is bitterly remembered to this day. Well Ottoman rule is seen as positive and negative. At the same time Iran began to steal Arab lands especially the islands and Ahwaz which they themselves call Arabistan. After that more and more Arabian tribes began to move into Iraq. In fact Iraqis are sometimes more Arabian than people in Arabia, especially those who don't have tribes or who have generic names like Bukhari, Sindi which indicate they have non-Arabian ancestry especially in the Hejaz which is an Islamic melting pot. Not to mention the Iraqi Arabic dailect especially the Southern one is close to the Arabian dialect with little to no difference. Also the Iraqi Arab tribes are organized in similar ways.

The old Mesopotamians had become wiped off by the Mongols and later the blood thirsty Persio-Turkmen tribes like the Black sheep Turkmen and White sheep Turkmens. Then later the Safavids who had spilled a lot of blood. Then after that the Ottomans who had positive and negative rule upon the region. Finally after the Arab revolt, Iraq becomes a British mandate. Originally the British had wanted Sheikh Khazal to be the ruler of Iraq, because he was liked for being a nationalist and was anti-Persian, but this did not happen, and the Hashamite took rule and they were one of the best rulers for Iraq to date, despite Ahmed Baker was probably was one of the best rulers, because the rulers of post 2003 are idiots and are stooges and clowns who only brought the sectarianism of non-Arabs into the region and want to Persianize us in one way or another. Thus we are Arabians and the pride of Arabians. You are from North Africa thus you don't know much about history, culture and religion with all due respect. Gulf Arabs include Iraq in most things, but at the same time they are worried about Iran's influence in the region, however UAE and Saudi Arabia are the best allies, and especially the people, not the monarchies perhaps. Kuwait was part of our land, before the Anglo-Saxon pigs severed it from us, and brought the street robbers known as Al-Sabbah to rule over it. Also not all the monarchs of the Gulf are bad people, they produced a great man like King Fisal of Saudi Arabia, he is one of my heroes and know king Salman is becoming like him.

I don't have enough knowledges but I know that arabians are not a racial ethnicity, to me the iraqi dialect sound like kuwaiti (kuwait don't belong to iraq since british had it) how people coming from a empty desert would remplace a big part of the population ? emiratis are already 10% in their country
iranians have always had a genetical influence in south west asia
I think it's Iraq that started the war against Iran, Iranians have no reasons to attack others and the "great men" you mentioned are crypto jews


She is a mongrel like most north africans. Iraqis at least are partially descendants of desert beduins but most north africans are rape of springs of Arabs and forced to arabization.

They are also mulattoes to a certain degree.

:1127: I wonder how many sick-complexed of your countries are barking on others here ? it's not because your ancestors were ottomans carpets that it's the same for eveybody
you never seen a north african and we don't even know your country exist


That Berber scum should learn her place rather than telling others on what ethnic identity they should identify themselves as. I wish that all of the scumy north africans(with the exception of Egyptians) should return back to their language and identity back. These 1/4 Negroid admixed quadroon are giving us a really bad name.

First who told you we identify with you ? and who told you you're arab ?

[Kamal900]

I don't have enough knowledges but I know that arabians are not a racial ethnicity, to me the iraqi dialect sound like kuwaiti (kuwait don't belong to iraq since british had it) how people coming from a empty desert would remplace a big part of the population ? emiratis are already 10% in their country
iranians have always had a genetical influence in south west asia
I think it's Iraq that started the war against Iran, Iranians have no reasons to attack others and the "great men" you mentioned are crypto jews

At least these men are not ass kissers to world international globalist Zionists like your people, lol.




:1127: I wonder how many sick-complexed of your countries are barking on others here ? it's not because your ancestors were ottomans carpets that it's the same for eveybody
you never seen a north african and we don't even know your country exist

He is an Albanian White christian, not a filthy low IQ'd mulatto like yourself. Look at how your people are acting up in France:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcgwDb7w8g

Fucking monkeys.



First who told you we identify with you ? and who told you you're arab ?

I AM an Arab, and being an Arab isn't about belonging to a specific genepool or race. You, that Berber bitch friend of yours here and the rest of your kind have to be deported back to the deserts of North Ape-frica where you should belong:
https://img.rt.com/files/news/23/af/a0/00/8.n.jpg
http://www.eurojewcong.org/img/articles/638x389/11076.jpg
https://www.thelocal.fr/userdata/images/1398666879_neo.nazi.scott.olsen.afp.getty.jpg

[Numidia]

At least these men are not ass kissers to world international globalist Zionists like your people, lol.





He is an Albanian White christian, not a filthy low IQ'd mulatto like yourself. Look at how your people are acting up in France:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcgwDb7w8g

Fucking monkeys.




I AM an Arab, and being an Arab isn't about belonging to a specific genepool or race. You, that Berber bitch friend of yours here and the rest of your kind have to be deported back to the deserts of North Ape-frica where you should belong:
https://img.rt.com/files/news/23/af/a0/00/8.n.jpg
http://www.eurojewcong.org/img/articles/638x389/11076.jpg
https://www.thelocal.fr/userdata/images/1398666879_neo.nazi.scott.olsen.afp.getty.jpg

Everything goes well for us in europe, don't listen to psycho here
those who can worry are you and your people of assisted refugees who runaway and let their country to jews. People started to open their eyes, cheap but arrogant, in the gulf countries you will be below bedoons.

[Laberia]

A world without the Arabs means that much of that knowledge accumulated by the ancient Greeks and Romans, probably would never arrive to the Europeans. Arabs have not only preserved that knowledge, but have also given their concrete contribution.
A world without the Turks means that at least the Mongols would had attacked Europe.
I want to add that the map we see in OP is completely stupid. When was Asia Minor called Greece during history and for what reason had to be called Greece?

[Böri]

You are real Arab if you are Beduin, if not Beduin you are a sort of assimilated thing like North Africans or Coptes etc. Same with Turkish, Turkmen bloods are really Turkish others fake. And Greek? Nobody is Greek because the ethnicity is fake and a resurrection of disappeared old Hellenes by western Hellenophiles in the 19th century with forced assimilation of Albanians, Slavs, Vlahs, Maronites etc

[wvwvw]

A world without the Arabs means that much of that knowledge accumulated by the ancient Greeks and Romans, probably would never arrive to the Europeans. Arabs have not only preserved that knowledge, but have also given their concrete contribution.
A world without the Turks means that at least the Mongols would had attacked Europe.
I want to add that the map we see in OP is completely stupid. When was Asia Minor called Greece during history and for what reason had to be called Greece?

The Byzantine Empire was known as IMPERIUM GRECORUM.

Even in Scandinavia Constantinople was referred to as MIKLAGÅRD and Byzantine Empire as GRAEKENLAND.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ugPo5piyXkE/V0HpKqv2QLI/AAAAAAAABBw/zXeMMRhm2N0rneliO3qT7_IY_EerFkoTwCLcB/s1600/imperium.jpg


The Byzantine Civilisation was the continuation of Classical Greek Civilisation and preserved all of its works until the Turks took Constantinople, and destroyed all the libraries and academies. Long before that the Muslims burned down the Library of Alexandria completely and set about savaging Europe.

The work's of Aristotle were preserved perfectly well by the Byzantines in the ORIGINAL GREEK and came to the west via Byzantine refugees and Christian Monks fleeing the turkish massacres.

Everything the Arabs had was second hand knowledge. The Byzantines had it first and the Arabs were acting as intermediaries. There was no renaissance coming from what the Arabs added to Greek knowledge. The Byzantine's added more and it was when that came to the west in thousands of ships fleeing the Turkish massacres in Constantinople that the renaissance began.

The Arabs who came to Spain fled Islamic Persecution because they were pagans.

Islam did not preserve Aristotle, or any kind of Greek philosophy or literature. All you have to do is look at the Koran which coveys nothing but BIGOTED HATE to see that. Look at the Islamic form of government which has no relation to Hellenic democracy but is based on barbaric tyranny. Where are the Islamic arts, drama, and sculpture. NONE exist. It was the PAGANS of the middle east who preserved the knowledge of the Greeks when they FLED Islam to Europe. Most of these were Hellenist people from Syria-Palestine who were force to adopt Arabic names to save their lives. Only in Europe were they able to avoid the wholesale persecution that was going going in the middle east.

[Drawing-slim]

Such a world would make Raine's eixistence meaningless. She would no longer have any hate and that would be no fun.

[zghiara]

What about the norther part?It would have impart too.

[Laberia]

The Byzantine Empire was known as IMPERIUM GRECORUM.

Even in Scandinavia Constantinople was referred to as MIKLAGÅRD and Byzantine Empire as GRAEKENLAND.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ugPo5piyXkE/V0HpKqv2QLI/AAAAAAAABBw/zXeMMRhm2N0rneliO3qT7_IY_EerFkoTwCLcB/s1600/imperium.jpg


The Byzantine Civilisation was the continuation of Classical Greek Civilisation and preserved all of its works until the Turks took Constantinople, and destroyed all the libraries and academies. Long before that the Muslims burned down the Library of Alexandria completely and set about savaging Europe.

The work's of Aristotle were preserved perfectly well by the Byzantines in the ORIGINAL GREEK and came to the west via Byzantine refugees and Christian Monks fleeing the turkish massacres.

Everything the Arabs had was second hand knowledge. The Byzantines had it first and the Arabs were acting as intermediaries. There was no renaissance coming from what the Arabs added to Greek knowledge. The Byzantine's added more and it was when that came to the west in thousands of ships fleeing the Turkish massacres in Constantinople that the renaissance began.

The Arabs who came to Spain fled Islamic Persecution because they were pagans.

Islam did not preserve Aristotle, or any kind of Greek philosophy or literature. All you have to do is look at the Koran which coveys nothing but BIGOTED HATE to see that. Look at the Islamic form of government which has no relation to Hellenic democracy but is based on barbaric tyranny. Where are the Islamic arts, drama, and sculpture. NONE exist. It was the PAGANS of the middle east who preserved the knowledge of the Greeks when they FLED Islam to Europe. Most of these were Hellenist people from Syria-Palestine who were force to adopt Arabic names to save their lives. Only in Europe were they able to avoid the wholesale persecution that was going going in the middle east.

Raine, there is something that makes your posts important to read. From your posts we learn what you greeks discuss in your forums. And i am curious, in your greek forums, how do you explain this:

There had been a vast deal too much talk about the descendants of Leonidas and Themistocles, about the glories of Marathon and Thermopylae. The Greeks and their friends were too apt to leap back two thousand years and ignore all history between the fight of Chaeronea and the fight of Dragatshan.

The life and letters of Edward A. Freeman, D.C.L., LL. D. By William Richard Wood Stephens pages 190-192.
How do you explain you this black hole, discussing in your greek forums Raine?

[The.Mask]

I don't have enough knowledges but I know that arabians are not a racial ethnicity, to me the iraqi dialect sound like kuwaiti (kuwait don't belong to iraq since british had it) how people coming from a empty desert would remplace a big part of the population ? emiratis are already 10% in their country
iranians have always had a genetical influence in south west asia
I think it's Iraq that started the war against Iran, Iranians have no reasons to attack others and the "great men" you mentioned are crypto jews



:1127: I wonder how many sick-complexed of your countries are barking on others here ? it's not because your ancestors were ottomans carpets that it's the same for eveybody
you never seen a north african and we don't even know your country exist



First who told you we identify with you ? and who told you you're arab ?

Lol at this ridiculous mongrel mulatta prostitute taking about importance and ottomans coming from a shithole such as Sudan where people are killed and rapped daily like normal activities.

My people the albanians created your state and modern identity. Modern Egypt And Sudan Were Created By An Albanian men And An Albanian dynasty.

Sudan became part of the Albanian-Arab empire of Muhammed Ali in 1815 when he sent his son and his best Albanian general with a few thousands albanians to kill the remaining mamlukes forever and so they did.

Albanians also enslaved thousands of your mulatto compatriots and there are even painting about that. The most brightful time of your mongrel people was when you were ruled by my people. Today you starve for food.

As for the ottomans, unlike you albanians were rulers and high people in the ottoman empire and we civilised and made it a better place for Christians and mulatto subhumans such as you that were slaves.

Before we fought the ottomans like lions for 120 years and defeated them in 35 battles and saved the filthy European continent from them in the 15th century.

Albanians have influenced history quiet a lot for our small numbers but mulattoes such as you have done nothing during history besides starving for food.

We also have lets say worse albanians such as Barbarosa brothers that enslaved thousands of North African mongrels such as you.

You are not an Arab but their rape off spring. Arabs are Saudi and iraqi.

[The.Mask]

You are real Arab if you are Beduin, if not Beduin you are a sort of assimilated thing like North Africans or Coptes etc. Same with Turkish, Turkmen bloods are really Turkish others fake. And Greek? Nobody is Greek because the ethnicity is fake and a resurrection of disappeared old Hellenes by western Hellenophiles in the 19th century with forced assimilation of Albanians, Slavs, Vlahs, Maronites etc

Very true statement. Modern Greece is a Jewish invention and investment.

West has protected and raised modern Greece like a little baby. West is the main center of Jewish power.

[Laberia]

Lol at this ridiculous mongrel mulatta prostitute taking about importance and ottomans coming from a shithole such as Sudan where people are killed and rapped daily like normal activities.

My people the albanians created your state and modern identity. Modern Egypt And Sudan Were Created By An Albanian men And An Albanian dynasty.

Sudan became part of the Albanian-Arab empire of Muhammed Ali in 1815 when he sent his son and his best Albanian general with a few thousands albanians to kill the remaining mamlukes forever and so they did.

Albanians also enslaved thousands of your mulatto compatriots and there are even painting about that. The most brightful time of your mongrel people was when you were ruled by my people. Today you starve for food.

As for the ottomans, unlike you albanians were rulers and high people in the ottoman empire and we civilised and made it a better place for Christians and mulatto subhumans such as you that were slaves.

Before we fought the ottomans like lions for 120 years and defeated them in 35 battles and saved the filthy European continent from them in the 15th century.

Albanians have influenced history quiet a lot for our small numbers but mulattoes such as you have done nothing during history besides starving for food.

We also have lets say worse albanians such as Barbarosa brothers that enslaved thousands of North African mongrels such as you.

You are not an Arab but their rape off spring. Arabs are Saudi and iraqi.

Lexoje pak këtë:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaut_Mami

[Incal]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/95/e0/6f/95e06f5bf5cb6224f07b7fe2aba2895b.jpg

[The.Mask]

Lexoje pak këtë:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaut_Mami

No one is comparable to Albanians in terms of producing political and military figures or personalities.

[StonyArabia]

That Berber scum should learn her place rather than telling others on what ethnic identity they should identify themselves as. I wish that all of the scumy north africans(with the exception of Egyptians) should return back to their language and identity back. These 1/4 Negroid admixed quadroon are giving us a really bad name.

Well North Africans are mostly Arabized North African Berbers. They adopted Arabic as lingua franca because the Berber dialects were not mutually intelligible. However they are mostly Berbers. Well in the case of Egyptians they are just Egyptians, but Egyptians are often successful community.


I don't have enough knowledges but I know that arabians are not a racial ethnicity, to me the iraqi dialect sound like kuwaiti (kuwait don't belong to iraq since british had it) how people coming from a empty desert would remplace a big part of the population ? emiratis are already 10% in their country

I already illustrated a summarized and detailed history about Iraq. The Mongols had depopulated Iraq quite heavily, and thus Iraq began to be populated by Bedouin tribes from Arabia who were attracted to the two rivers. Then we had to go through the savage Persio-Turks the White sheep and Black sheep Turkmens, and then the most savage Persian dynasty the Safavid who will force a lot of of people into Shiaism, a religion they imported from Southern Lebanon. Yes of course Kuwaiti dialect is close to Iraqi because it was part of Iraq and in fact was part of the Basra province but the Anglo-Saxon pigs severed it from the motherland and gave it to street robbers known as Al-Sabbahs to be it's rulers.


iranians have always had a genetical influence in south west asia

Yes they did, but those lands were not Iranian but a subjugated to Iran's brutal rule. It's no wonder that most of the non-Persian locals welcomed the Arabian forces against the Sassanids at the time. After the fall of the Sassanids, the Persians always wanted to bring their empire and they always had severe revolts. There will be no more Kisra, thus Iran can only expand for time and fall. Thus the Safavids who came wanted to Kisra's but they failed, and in doing so they spilled the blood of many innocent people, hence why grudge from Arabian tribes in Iraq still exist to this day. It was the Safavids who would strengthen the Arab and Persian rivalry, and also the Sunni and Shia combats, but which had their roots in the savage Persio-Tuks Black sheep and White sheep Turkmens , and later the Ottomans who came and were seen as liberators to the people of Iraq from the Safavid's tyranny. Then a brief rule of the Persian Afsharids, which is also remembered bitterly.


I think it's Iraq that started the war against Iran, Iranians have no reasons to attack others and the "great men" you mentioned are crypto jews

Since the fall of the Shah, and the entrance of Khomeni, Iran had it's agenda to size Iraq and Bahrain, which it's consider to be theirs. Plus Khoemeni had is eyes on the cities of Najaf and Karbala. Also Iran had annexed Arabian islands in the Gulf. Iran also began to against the borders of Iraq. Iraq only acted in self-defense from the Persian menace. Thus Iraq decides to teach Iran, a lesson that it will not forget. So in 2003, Iran became a great ally to the Anglo-American forces and this was as a revenge to the Iraq-Iran war, which Iran actually started. Read history about Arab and Persian rivalry which existed before the formation of Islam. Arabs who were once the subjugate of the Persians, became the kings of Persia. Also King Fisal of Saudi Arabia, is true Arabian nationalist and who stood for his people and he told the West and their kike masters to take a hike, during the oil embargo. One admirable thing about King Fisal, he said he we don't need oil, because we can survive in the Desert, but it's you the Europeans and Americans that need the oil for cars and machines. Such a man is noble and respectable and he does not forget his origins. King Salman seems to be following his foot steps.

[Dandelion]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/95/e0/6f/95e06f5bf5cb6224f07b7fe2aba2895b.jpg

Without exploiting South Asians in slave labour too.

[Voskos]

arabs used to live similar to europeans before islamisation.

[StonyArabia]

Without exploiting South Asians in slave labour too.

Ironically this comes from guy whose ancestor used to enslave Indonesians,Blacks and Amerindians the latter in the carib, and the first in the Dutch east Indies. Those South Asians are not slaves, because they are paid, and ironically they make more money than they would in India, Pakistan or Bangladesh. Btw there are families that are quite prominent in the Gulf that are of Indian ancestry like the Al-Sindi family. Before you point your fingers at others look at your own history, which was not that distant.

[Dandelion]

Ironically this comes from guy whose ancestor used to enslave Indonesians,Blacks and Amerindians the latter in the carib, and the first in the Dutch east Indies. Those South Asians are not slaves, because they are paid, and ironically they make more money than they would in India, Pakistan or Bangladesh. Btw there are families that are quite prominent in the Gulf that are of Indian ancestry like the Al-Sindi family. Before you point your fingers at others look at your own history, which was not that distant.

My direct ancestors weren't slave traders as I know of. Sure, as you go back generations you have thousands of ancestors. I don't have known ancestors from the Dutch Republic though, except for my maternal great-grandmother who was from North Brabant (which during the Dutch Republic era) was known as 'State Brabant', a buffer land not recognised as a true province with no autonomy.

Anyway, we all care about the here and now, and it's a fact that in the UAE clandestine slave labour is common. By the way, you are a Sunni muslim on another forum I visited. Better change your religion. However a worse lie is the lie you just told in denying the exploitation that is still on-going Gulf Arabic countries.

They live in squalor and regret their decision of having moved out of India, and many work for no pay (let alone they can send money back home, which was their motivation to go to the Gulf in the first place).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMh-vlQwrmU

Luckily, some actual UAE residents are aware of this and condemn this, unlike a romanticist who sweeps current injustices under the rug and thinks the past matters the most.

[StonyArabia]

My direct ancestors weren't slave traders as I know of. Sure, as you go back generations you have thousands of ancestors. I don't have known ancestors from the Dutch Republic though, except for my maternal great-grandmother who was from North Brabant (which during the Dutch Republic era) was known as 'State Brabant', a buffer land not recognised as a true province with no autonomy.

Anyway, we all care about the here and now, and it's a fact that in the UAE clandestine slave labour is common. By the way, you are a Sunni muslim on another forum I visited. Better change your religion. However a worse lie is the lie you just told in denying the exploitation that is still on-going Gulf Arabic countries.

Well I am culturally Sunni Muslim, but at the same time I have deep respect for my pagan Arabian ancestors who Persian historians and possibly Byzantine ones wrote a lot of lies about them. I never changed my religion. You always have sympathy to the religion you grew up, because even if you don't practice it, it's part of your cultural legacy and somewhat identity. I never said that oppression and taking advantage does not happen it, it does.


They live in squalor and regret their decision of having moved out of India, and many work for no pay (let alone they can send money back home, which was their motivation to go to the Gulf in the first place).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMh-vlQwrmU

Yes it's disgusting but you have to understand that many companies that are in the Gulf can be owned by non-Gulfers like Iranians or Levantines, so let's not demonize Gulf Arabs here.


Luckily, some actual UAE residents are aware of this and condemn this, unlike a romanticist who sweeps current injustices under the rug and thinks the past matters the most.

I don't think the past mattes the most, such things do happen, but they are not common as the Western media likes to parrot. Sure there is injustice everywhere. What about America's continual oppression of Blacks for example, or what about sweat shops that American and some Western companies have in Southeast Asia, China and India.

[Dandelion]

Well I am culturally Sunni Muslim, but at the same time I have deep respect for my pagan Arabian ancestors who Persian historians and possibly Byzantine ones wrote a lot of lies about them. I never changed my religion. You always have sympathy to the religion you grew up, because even if you don't practice it, it's part of your cultural legacy and somewhat identity. I never said that oppression and taking advantage does not happen it, it does.



Yes it's disgusting but you have to understand that many companies that are in the Gulf can be owned by non-Gulfers like Iranians or Levantines, so let's not demonize Gulf Arabs here.



I don't think the past mattes the most, such things do happen, but they are not common as the Western media likes to parrot. Sure there is injustice everywhere. What about America's continual oppression of Blacks for example, or what about sweat shops that American and some Western companies have in Southeast Asia, China and India.

Alright. You are more reasonable than I took you for. My bad for doubting you. I'm tired to be honest. I should keep into account that just like me you love your culture and that was your message by attacking the Dutch who I actually culturally identify with indeed. I know we also indirectly benefit from slavery sadly. Chocolate is one notorious luxury product which often has slave labour attached to it.

[Incal]

Without exploiting South Asians in slave labour too.

Just came back from your country.

[TenaciousTopologist]

Would be a better place.

[Numidia]

Lol at this ridiculous mongrel mulatta prostitute taking about importance and ottomans coming from a shithole such as Sudan where people are killed and rapped daily like normal activities.

My people the albanians created your state and modern identity. Modern Egypt And Sudan Were Created By An Albanian men And An Albanian dynasty.

Sudan became part of the Albanian-Arab empire of Muhammed Ali in 1815 when he sent his son and his best Albanian general with a few thousands albanians to kill the remaining mamlukes forever and so they did.

Albanians also enslaved thousands of your mulatto compatriots and there are even painting about that. The most brightful time of your mongrel people was when you were ruled by my people. Today you starve for food.

As for the ottomans, unlike you albanians were rulers and high people in the ottoman empire and we civilised and made it a better place for Christians and mulatto subhumans such as you that were slaves.

Before we fought the ottomans like lions for 120 years and defeated them in 35 battles and saved the filthy European continent from them in the 15th century.

Albanians have influenced history quiet a lot for our small numbers but mulattoes such as you have done nothing during history besides starving for food.

We also have lets say worse albanians such as Barbarosa brothers that enslaved thousands of North African mongrels such as you.

You are not an Arab but their rape off spring. Arabs are Saudi and iraqi.


what a sick complexed bastard loool !!!! :crazy:
first I didn't talk to you or ask you a lesson about north africa but you keep searching for attention
you always talk of the only thing your people can export : slaves and prostitutes
of course albanians were turkish SLAVES they used your ancestors everywhere they even send them in andalousia to save muslims because nobody wanted to go there
barberoussa was not albanian he had no origins like others ottomans slaves. In algeria this slaves soldiers were even not allowed to have children so why are you barking and pretending to rule something ?
and saudi and iraqis are not arabs, the real arabs came from yemen they were in a very small number, if my tribe didn't protect them they would be exterminated by others in north africa
ottomans were our allies while they were your masters, filthy barking dog sons of scums slaves
don't even talk to me or north africans just keep trying to prove you can look europeans

[Charles Bronson]

Europe without Turks and Arabs invention:

http://i63.tinypic.com/30ubcsj.jpg

[The.Mask]

what a sick complexed bastard loool !!!! :crazy:
first I didn't talk to you or ask you a lesson about north africa but you keep searching for attention
you always talk of the only thing your people can export : slaves and prostitutes
of course albanians were turkish SLAVES they used your ancestors everywhere they even send them in andalousia to save muslims because nobody wanted to go there
barberoussa was not albanian he had no origins like others ottomans slaves. In algeria this slaves soldiers were even not allowed to have children so why are you barking and pretending to rule something ?
and saudi and iraqis are not arabs, the real arabs came from yemen they were in a very small number, if my tribe didn't protect them they would be exterminated by others in north africa
ottomans were our allies while they were your masters, filthy barking dog sons of scums slaves
don't even talk to me or north africans just keep trying to prove you can look europeans

I will fucking kill myself, a mulatta prostitute from the shithole of sudan talking to me about slaves and complexes. A mulata mongrel, being by default a bastard.

I dont care about north africa or maghrebi whores or about the shithole of sudan where people get killed and raped every day like normal activities and many starve for food.

Yes my people export slaves from eastern europe and negroid slaves such as you, we consider you subhumans just like muhamed ali and his albanians did.

Let me remind you again, you are a mulatta mongrel from sudan, a shithoe place with no identity or history, a place of bastards and mulattoes who were raped and forced by arabs to speak arab language. today you get killed and raped everyday by other negroids and many of you subhumans starve for food also, because you are half humans.

As for the Albanians, I already told you, 6,000 albanian conquered the entire Numidia region in 1815 and ruled it for 140 years as elite nobilty. at the same time many of your negroids were also enslaved and sold as slaves.

As for the Ottomans, Albanians were Mercenaries, disgusting AIDS infected negroid half animal, PAID MERCENARIES AND THE BEST MERCENARIES OF THE EMPIRE PAYED WITH GOLD.

Barbarossa brothers were albanian and this is verified, but were also other albanian warlords such as the ones posted by Laberia one page before tat enslaved north african mongrels. Barbarossa brothers were not slaved but free men that made career in the ottoman empire, slaves were negroid subhumans such as you.

I dont care who had children or not, i just know that a very few albanians dominated and enslaved your negroid ancestors and other north african mongrels for a long time.

Ottomans were not allies of north african mongrels or negroid subhumans such as your ancestors, you were subhumans to them, just like you were subhumans to your future albanian masters such as muhamed ali and his albanian crew.

NORTH AFRICANS AND ESPECIALLY NIGGERS FROM SUDAN ARE NOT ARABS, BUT SLAVES AND RAPE OFF SPRINGS OF ARABS THAT CONQUERED AND ENSLAVED YOU AND FORCED ARAB LANGUAGE TO YOU.

YOU ARE JUST A NIGGER SPEAKING ARAB AND NOTHING MORE THAN THAT, FROM THE SHITHOLE OF SUDAN.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Europe without Turks and Arabs invention:

http://i63.tinypic.com/30ubcsj.jpg

LOL! Name me one world-shifting Turkish invention or school of thought.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Persians would have probably invaded Greece and take the todays Turkish territories.

In reality they were defeated by Heraclius just before the Muslims invaded:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Sasanian_War_of_602%E2%80%93628


The Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 was the final and most devastating of the series of wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Sassanid_Wars) fought between the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire) and the Sasanian Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasanian_Empire) of Persia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persia). The previous war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Sassanid_War_of_572%E2%80%93591) between the two powers had ended in 591 after Emperor Maurice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_(emperor)) helped the Sasanian king Khosrau II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khosrau_II) regain his throne. In 602 Maurice was murdered by his political rival Phocas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phocas). Khosrau proceeded to declare war, ostensibly to avenge the death of Maurice. This became a decades-long conflict, the longest war in the series, and was fought throughout the Middle East and eastern Europe: in Egypt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), the Levant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant), Mesopotamia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia), the Caucasus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus), Anatolia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia), Armenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia), the Aegean Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegean_Sea) and even before the walls of Constantinople (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople) itself.While the Persians proved largely successful during the first stage of the war from 602 to 622, conquering much of the Levant, Egypt, several islands in the Aegean Sea and parts of Anatolia, the ascendancy of emperor Heraclius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclius) in 610 led, despite initial setbacks, to the Persians' defeat. Heraclius' campaigns in Persian lands from 622 to 626 forced the Persians onto the defensive, allowing his forces to regain momentum. Allied with the Avars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Avars) and Slavs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs), the Persians made a final attempt to take Constantinople (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(626)) in 626, but were defeated there. In 627 Heraclius invaded the heartland of the Persians and forced them to sue for peace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suing_for_peace).
By the end of the conflict both sides had exhausted their human and material resources. Consequently, they were vulnerable to the sudden emergence of the Islamic Rashidun Caliphate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate), whose forces invaded both empires only a few years after the war. The Muslim forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_army) swiftly conquered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests) the entire Sasanian Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest_of_Persia) and deprived (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Arab_Wars) the Byzantine Empire of its territories in the Levant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Syria), the Caucasus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_conquest_of_Armenia), Egypt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt), and North Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_North_Africa). Over the following centuries, half the Byzantine Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire) and the entire Sasanian Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasanian_Empire) came under Muslim rule.

[Petros Houhoulis]

beautiful map...Islam still has the core of the world's ancient civilizations conquered. It is good to be reminded how much Islam changed the world...the upcoming challenges seem trivial in comparison

Wait and see the sandniggership collapse...

[Petros Houhoulis]

the dude is ignorant .. he claims christian egypt is the successor of ancient egypt .. Christians themselves here use the Greek alphabet not the Egyptian alphabet.

Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics were too cumbersome to draw. They were never meant to be used by the masses. If you have to spend an hour to write a letter to your mother, fuck it...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Most here are Eurocentrics and I do not respect or desire to engage them in true historic discourse. For eg, the fact that it was the Copts who destroyed the ancient Egyptian religion, not Muslims.

Just like you destroy your ancestors' animistic faith every single day...

[Petros Houhoulis]

they even killed Arius
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%B3

and changed our alphabet to the greek alphabet and yet they claim to be the original egyptians , ya original rofl

Their language is still related to Ancient Egyptian. Yours isn't...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Really? I thought the Copts used the Egyptian (aka Coptic language) and it's script.

The language is Egyptian. The writing is Greek.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Before Islam Middle-Eastern people used to burry female infants alive while Europeans were burning all Roman & Greek knowledge, saying "Without Islam M-E would be the most advanced region" is what dumb alt right people say because they heard other people say it.

...And now Muslims drink Camel pee and export terrorists all over the world...

[Dandelion]

The language is Egyptian. The writing is Greek.

Greek in a different font with extra added letters.

[Petros Houhoulis]

What would they have had instead? Polytheism?

Atheism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagoras_of_Melos


Diagoras "the Atheist" of Melos (Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language): Διαγόρας ὁ Μήλιος) was a Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece) poet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poet) and sophist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist) of the 5th century BC. Throughout Antiquity he was regarded as an atheist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism). With the exception of this one point, there is little information concerning his life and beliefs. He spoke out against the Greek religion, and criticized the Eleusinian Mysteries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries). The Athenians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenians) accused him of impiety (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impiety), and he was forced to flee the city. He died in Corinth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinth).

[Kamal900]

Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics were too cumbersome to draw. They were never meant to be used by the masses. If you have to spend an hour to write a letter to your mother, fuck it...

Well, the ancient Egyptians used to write in other writing form known as Hieratic which was a cursive writing that eventually gave birth to the Abjad writing systems like Arabic, Hebrew and etc which many scripes and literate common people used to write since the hieroglyphics was very time consuming and so on :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieratic#/media/File:Scribe%27s_exercise_tablet_1.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieratic

The Coptic Alphabet that we know today derives from both Greek and Hieratic writing scripts.

[Dandelion]

I think any Egyptian should find Coptic interesting to learn to a certain extent. It's one of their ancestral languages, one of their roots. The reason they speak Masric Arabic is because of the Coptic substratum. Similar to how Europeans learn Latin and especially Romance speakers should find it interesting.

Sure, every Egyptian speaks Arabic today, but knowing one's roots is never a bad idea in my opinion. No tabula rasa mentality, but rather a curious mind.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Not really ..

there is nothing called jewish brain , your state is built on immigrants who came from Russia or Germany or MENA or Africa or what so ever .. a lot of them were well educated and even part of the military forces who have served in the countries i mentioned above.

plus , your state was built under the protection of U.K with the approve of U.S and blessing of soviet union.

on the other hand let's compare it to Egypt for example , more than 50 battle , war and invasion since 1800 , weak economy and troubles everywhere.

most of our nuclear scientists were assassinated by Mossad so they would stop Egypt from being developed and strong country again , for example:

1-Moustafa Mushrafa ( the one with the idea of Hydrogen bomb) .. was killed by mossad

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Ali_Mosharrafa_1.jpg

2-Samir Naguib ( atoms scientist).

http://www.gololy.com/gallery/10000/55520_0.jpg

3-said bedir (satellites scientist)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/43/29/04/d8b3d810.jpg

4- Samria Mousa (first Egyptian Atoms scientst).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/SameeraMoussa.jpg

and others , i just made a short list.

all of these people killed by mossad , so they can say hey look , israel is the only developed country.

well guess what , israeli brain is nothing compared to MUSLIM Egyptian brain (if you wanna speak about religions i've no problem).

you people even your Kabala books and Talmud based on Egyptian books.

Mossad is to be feared, but the Muslim brain is a total failure. Your hallucination that your scientists thought of the hydrogen bomb first is funny enough...

[Petros Houhoulis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

None of it would exist without to follow the Ancient Greek scholars, and failed the moment it stopped accepting their wisdom in favor of a strict interpretation of Islam.

[Proto-Shaman]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OyP0QN8nYI8/hqdefault.jpg

http://unsere.de/hitler_sieht_wotan.jpg

[Kamal900]

None of it would exist without to follow the Ancient Greek scholars, and failed the moment it stopped accepting their wisdom in favor of a strict interpretation of Islam.

Yes, it's very true. Greek knowledge and science greatly have contributed to the rise of learning in the Islamic world especially during the Abbasid period. Hell, the one who designed Baghdad which would become the largest city in the world till the Mongol and Turkic invasion in the 13th century was a Byzantine Greek(I forgot his name though). Even the Caliphs of Baghdad had established ties with the Byzantines in exchange for books and Greek scientists and philosophers to come to his city and share their knowledge in the house of wisdom.

[Numidia]

I will fucking kill myself, a mulatta prostitute from the shithole of sudan talking to me about slaves and complexes. A mulata mongrel, being by default a bastard.

I dont care about north africa or maghrebi whores or about the shithole of sudan where people get killed and raped every day like normal activities and many starve for food.

Yes my people export slaves from eastern europe and negroid slaves such as you, we consider you subhumans just like muhamed ali and his albanians did.

Let me remind you again, you are a mulatta mongrel from sudan, a shithoe place with no identity or history, a place of bastards and mulattoes who were raped and forced by arabs to speak arab language. today you get killed and raped everyday by other negroids and many of you subhumans starve for food also, because you are half humans.

As for the Albanians, I already told you, 6,000 albanian conquered the entire Numidia region in 1815 and ruled it for 140 years as elite nobilty. at the same time many of your negroids were also enslaved and sold as slaves.

As for the Ottomans, Albanians were Mercenaries, disgusting AIDS infected negroid half animal, PAID MERCENARIES AND THE BEST MERCENARIES OF THE EMPIRE PAYED WITH GOLD.

Barbarossa brothers were albanian and this is verified, but were also other albanian warlords such as the ones posted by Laberia one page before tat enslaved north african mongrels. Barbarossa brothers were not slaved but free men that made career in the ottoman empire, slaves were negroid subhumans such as you.

I dont care who had children or not, i just know that a very few albanians dominated and enslaved your negroid ancestors and other north african mongrels for a long time.

Ottomans were not allies of north african mongrels or negroid subhumans such as your ancestors, you were subhumans to them, just like you were subhumans to your future albanian masters such as muhamed ali and his albanian crew.

NORTH AFRICANS AND ESPECIALLY NIGGERS FROM SUDAN ARE NOT ARABS, BUT SLAVES AND RAPE OFF SPRINGS OF ARABS THAT CONQUERED AND ENSLAVED YOU AND FORCED ARAB LANGUAGE TO YOU.

YOU ARE JUST A NIGGER SPEAKING ARAB AND NOTHING MORE THAN THAT, FROM THE SHITHOLE OF SUDAN.

Maghreb was independant of ottomans it was regency and yes they were allies because they had nothing to loose the soldiers they have sent (your ancestors you call mercenairies because you're too ashamed to be a subhuman shit) weren't turks
You post the name of a albanian corsair, do you know what it means at least ?
Albanians Corsairs = stupid slaves who steal west europeans boats for their turkish boss (really !)
It's not a shame to be black, the big disgrace is to do all the crazy things to be like your oppressors and serve those who consider you subhumans that's why people make fun of your people so you try to compare yourself to others but even like that you still hate yourself and invent history
If you're clever you will just look in front of you and accept reality : turkish and jews are superiors while albanians and palestinians are loosers

[Egyptian]

Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics were too cumbersome to draw. They were never meant to be used by the masses. If you have to spend an hour to write a letter to your mother, fuck it...

:picard1: it's not ur business if it's 1 hour or 1 million year .. we gonna remove the greek alphabet from Egypt and end of discussion , u can thumb down as much as you want.

[Egyptian]

I think any Egyptian should find Coptic interesting to learn to a certain extent. It's one of their ancestral languages, one of their roots. The reason they speak Masric Arabic is because of the Coptic substratum. Similar to how Europeans learn Latin and especially Romance speakers should find it interesting.

Sure, every Egyptian speaks Arabic today, but knowing one's roots is never a bad idea in my opinion. No tabula rasa mentality, but rather a curious mind.

coptic in egyptian alphabet ok no problem .. but with greek alphabet? we aren't greeks.

[The.Mask]

coptic in egyptian alphabet ok no problem .. but with greek alphabet? we aren't greeks.

You are aravbs, yes, in language and culture. However neither modern greeks are '' greek'' but a mix of different nations mingled together 180 years ago, such as albanians, vlachs, slavsn , romans, armenians, orthodox ottomans etc.

This '' nation'' has albanian Fustanella as national dress ( afaik a shorter gayer version), ottoman buzuki as national musical instrument and want to claims albanian polyphony and dances also.

[The.Mask]

Yes, it's very true. Greek knowledge and science greatly have contributed to the rise of learning in the Islamic world especially during the Abbasid period. Hell, the one who designed Baghdad which would become the largest city in the world till the Mongol and Turkic invasion in the 13th century was a Byzantine Greek(I forgot his name though). Even the Caliphs of Baghdad had established ties with the Byzantines in exchange for books and Greek scientists and philosophers to come to his city and share their knowledge in the house of wisdom.

You should use the right term that is Eastern Roman Empire and not '' Byzant''. This term Byzant was foreign to eastern romans themselves who called themselves nothing but Romans and this term was used for the first time by a german historian in 1550, which is wrong and historically inaccurate.

Most of the Eastern Roman scholars or '' byzantine '' scholars, officials, poiticians were Romans without any specific origin. For example the greatest emperor and general of the eastern roman empire were both Illyrians, Justinian the Great and Belizarus .

The dynasties were all illyrian and some thracian till 620 AD, when some armenians came into power, than anatolian emperors came into power and after than we do not have any origin mentioned.

The Komnenos, are thought to be from the albanian city of Durres, and many albanian noble men who were very linked to the roman empire held this surname also, while the last dynasty, the Peliologos, are thought to be germanic in heritage.

It is true that ancient roman and ancient greek knowledge helped a lot the arabs during their good age, but some credits are to be given to the arabs also, not everything they got it from the ancient world.

By the 13th century, this ancient knowledge was widespread and was not confined to the eastern romans.

[The.Mask]

Maghreb was independant of ottomans it was regency and yes they were allies because they had nothing to loose the soldiers they have sent (your ancestors you call mercenairies because you're too ashamed to be a subhuman shit) weren't turks
You post the name of a albanian corsair, do you know what it means at least ?
Albanians Corsairs = stupid slaves who steal west europeans boats for their turkish boss (really !)
It's not a shame to be black, the big disgrace is to do all the crazy things to be like your oppressors and serve those who consider you subhumans that's why people make fun of your people so you try to compare yourself to others but even like that you still hate yourself and invent history
If you're clever you will just look in front of you and accept reality : turkish and jews are superiors while albanians and palestinians are loosers

Little negroid cheap prostitute, you come from a shithole such as sudan, where people get killed and raped daily, you are negroids and mulattoes raped by arabs and forced by arabs to keep their culture and their language. this shithole called Sudan until it was under albanian administration did ok, but after niggers took over it turned it into what it is today.

North africans are mongrels and mulattoes and by definition slaves and bastards. north africa was conquered and raped masively by arabs, that it was conquered by Ottomans and it was not independent ( for your information, the invasion of north africa was done by albanian soldiers). aFter that it was conquered and raped by europans for 200-300 years and now you dirty beggars immigrate in europan countries like subhumans you are.

Albanian Carsairs such as Barbarrosa brothers were free men that were making career. some of them became great ottoman admirals, some other mere mercenaries that fought for money, one thing they have in common, they enslaved many north African mongrels and mulattoes such as you.

As i said cheap maghrebu negroid prostitute, albanians were very well paid mercenaries and albanians in general were very much respected all over the ottoman empire. The albanian power in the ottoman empire was so big, that albanians overthrew the sultan from power in 1730 for example. you as a negroid from sudan are not able to comprehend this.

All what i state above are cold facts.

As for comparing jews and palestinians, with turks and albanians is silly and idiotic, because you are a highly complexed negroid from sudan, because while jews conquered and gencodice Palestinians everyday , Albanians and Turks live 500 km away from each other and have excellent diplomatic relationships.

go to save some sudanese negroid children from death now.

[Kamal900]

You should use the right term that is Eastern Roman Empire and not '' Byzant''. This term Byzant was foreign to eastern romans themselves who called themselves nothing but Romans and this term was used for the first time by a german historian in 1550, which is wrong and historically inaccurate.

Most of the Eastern Roman scholars or '' byzantine '' scholars, officials, poiticians were Romans without any specific origin. For example the greatest emperor and general of the eastern roman empire were both Illyrians, Justinian the Great and Belizarus .

The dynasties were all illyrian and some thracian till 620 AD, when some armenians came into power, than anatolian emperors came into power and after than we do not have any origin mentioned.

The Komnenos, are thought to be from the albanian city of Durres, and many albanian noble men who were very linked to the roman empire held this surname also, while the last dynasty, the Peliologos, are thought to be germanic in heritage.

It is true that ancient roman and ancient greek knowledge helped a lot the arabs during their good age, but some credits are to be given to the arabs also, not everything they got it from the ancient world.

By the 13th century, this ancient knowledge was widespread and was not confined to the eastern romans.

Sounds reasonable. I mean, I think that the Byzantine empire was more or less like how America has emphasis on Anglo-Saxon culture and language even though the English are not the only people that are living in America but other peoples that live in the country who aren't English descent which makes the country a diverse country with a common nationality or something. I think it's also true when the Levantine Christians are Greek Orthodox Christians even though they are not ethnic Greeks, and they have no Greek admixture in their genepool.

[The.Mask]

Sounds reasonable. I mean, I think that the Byzantine empire was more or less like how America has emphasis on Anglo-Saxon culture and language even though the English are not the only people that are living in America but other peoples that live in the country who aren't English descent which makes the country a diverse country with a common nationality or something. I think it's also true when the Levantine Christians are Greek Orthodox Christians even though they are not ethnic Greeks, and they have no Greek admixture in their genepool.

America is a mish mash of cultures that emphasises on consumerism and globalism rather than anything else.

the eastern roman empire was a multi cultural empire whose capital was also build by another great Illyrian emperor, Constantine the Great. It had a roman identity and roman state structures.

Orthodoxy is the pure continuation of christianity and levantine christians are greek orthodox because they used probably koine greek in church, not because they have admixture.

Most Orthodox Albanians were '' greek orthodox'' also until the creation of the Independent albanian Orthodox Church in 1922 because koine greek was the official clergy language.

[The.Mask]

LOL! Name me one world-shifting Turkish invention or school of thought.

For the sake of the debate, just mention me one portugese world wide influencing philosopher or scientists.

You were free of muslim joke since 1250 or so, went thought Renaissance and industrial age and had 600 years to develop science and schools of thoughts, tell me one.

Portugal is a country which has immense foreign national dept and lives though the money of EU, while Turkey is a huge geopolitical power and player and sovereign nation with high production unlike portugal.

[Kamal900]

America is a mish mash of cultures that emphasises on consumerism and globalism rather than anything else.

the eastern roman empire was a multi cultural empire whose capital was also build by another great Illyrian emperor, Constantine the Great. It had a roman identity and roman state structures.

Orthodoxy is the pure continuation of christianity and levantine christians are greek orthodox because they used probably koine greek in church, not because they have admixture.

Most Orthodox Albanians were '' greek orthodox'' also until the creation of the Independent albanian Orthodox Church in 1922 because koine greek was the official clergy language.

It's also the same as how the Coptic pope granted independence to the Ethiopian church in the 50's and later on the Eritrean church got it's independence from the Ethiopian church in the 90's. Yes, Constantine the Great was an Illyrian born in today's Serbia or something(the times where there were no Slavs).

[The.Mask]

It's also the same as how the Coptic pope granted independence to the Ethiopian church in the 50's and later on the Eritrean church got it's independence from the Ethiopian church in the 90's. Yes, Constantine the Great was an Illyrian born in today's Serbia or something(the times where there were no Slavs).

Constantine was born in the ancient Dardanian city of Ulpiana ( in todays central Kosovo) but was raised in Nish, which is part of serbia today.


Btw, there were albanian in Nish until 1875, when the region was granted to serbia by the western powers and albanian had to retreat and leave their lands.

southern serbs have lots of albanian Ev-13, J2b2 and R1b-L23 which indicates their origin.

[Leos]

When the Arabs conquested the Levant there was barely any Jew left, they all had been deported by the Romans centuries earlier. They only started migrating back during the Ottoman Empire.

Also Phoenicia hadn't existed for centuries by the time of the Arab conquest, by then the population was mostly Assyrian/Aramaic speaker and Greeks like the rest of the Levant. Anyways if wasn't for the Arabs or Turks the ME would've been divided between Greeks and Persians as already stated. Modern Kurds would probably not even exist as a people.

[wvwvw]

You should use the right term that is Eastern Roman Empire and not '' Byzant''. This term Byzant was foreign to eastern romans themselves who called themselves nothing but Romans and this term was used for the first time by a german historian in 1550, which is wrong and historically inaccurate.

Most of the Eastern Roman scholars or '' byzantine '' scholars, officials, poiticians were Romans without any specific origin. For example the greatest emperor and general of the eastern roman empire were both Illyrians, Justinian the Great and Belizarus .

The dynasties were all illyrian and some thracian till 620 AD, when some armenians came into power, than anatolian emperors came into power and after than we do not have any origin mentioned.

The Komnenos, are thought to be from the albanian city of Durres, and many albanian noble men who were very linked to the roman empire held this surname also, while the last dynasty, the Peliologos, are thought to be germanic in heritage.

It is true that ancient roman and ancient greek knowledge helped a lot the arabs during their good age, but some credits are to be given to the arabs also, not everything they got it from the ancient world.

By the 13th century, this ancient knowledge was widespread and was not confined to the eastern romans.

IMBECILE! Byzantium was founded by the Greeks and the Byzantine empire was a Greek state. All of its territory comprised of the regions populated byGreeks across the Mediterranean and extended to lands where Greeks had been living since antiquity.. It's language was Greek and its official religion was Greek Orthodoxy, not Bulgarian, not Serbian, not Russian Orthodoxy, not Armenian monophysite, not Coptic but GREEK Orthodoxy.

The Eastern Roman Empire was known as IMPERIUM GRECORUM because it was GREEK. To Scandinavians was known as GRIKKENLAND.

Byzantium was founded by Greeks from Megara in in 659 BC and it was a wholly GREEK city ever since. It was part of Alexander's union

Half of Anatolia was historically Greek since Minoan and Mycenaean times. Its territory comprised of the territory of the Empire of Alexander. The Roman Empire was a continuation of the Empire of Alexander. The Roman Gods were Greek Gods. Roman literate was Greek literature, drama, poetry. Everything the Romans had, had been brought to Rome from Greece, not by the Romans but by the Greeks. The lower half of Italy was ruled by Greece since Mycenaean times. The Eastern Roman Empire was to all intents and proposes the nation state of Greece.

Asia-Minor was a Greece land for over 3,500 years. It was continuously populated by Greeks who spoke the same language as all other Greeks, worshiped the same Gods and followed the same religion as all other Greeks include the Olympian Gods and Christianity, competed in the Olympic Games along with all other Greeks, built the first amphitheatres which own existed in Greece since they were invented by the Greeks and performed drama which only Greeks performed.


Most of the Eastern Roman scholars or '' byzantine '' scholars, officials, poiticians were Romans without any specific origin. For example the greatest emperor and general of the eastern roman empire were both Illyrians, Justinian the Great and Belizarus .

DISSEMBLING LYING IMBECILE

You forget to mention that these were Roman Soldiers, from families of Roman Soldiers that owed their National allegiance to Rome, speaking both Greek and Latin and sharing Nothing in-common with what was left of the original Illyrian people. After the 6th century the Emperors were overwelmingly Greek.

Justinian was the emperor who wrote his laws in Greek instead of Latin and he consecrate the Greek as the official language because only the people around the palace could understand Latin. The language of the people as well as those around the palace was the Greek.

The point is that all emperors, culturally and linguistically were active participants of the greek civilisation and the greek roman tradition and of the Greek Orthodox faith.

[wvwvw]

It's also the same as how the Coptic pope granted independence to the Ethiopian church in the 50's and later on the Eritrean church got it's independence from the Ethiopian church in the 90's. Yes, Constantine the Great was an Illyrian born in today's Serbia or something(the times where there were no Slavs).

The one who transferred the Capital to the GREEK city of Byzantium and who's mother was GREEK

[wvwvw]

You should use the right term that is Eastern Roman Empire and not '' Byzant''. This term Byzant was foreign to eastern romans themselves

Yes we should call it by its proper name which was IMPERIUM GRECORUM, or Basileuousa (Queen of Cities) or Megalopolis (the Great City).

Constantinople was built on the site of Byzantium, which was build by Greeks. Byzas (Greek: Βύζας) was the eponymous founder of Byzantium, the city later known as Constantinople.

http://ellinoistorin.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/161-180-MX.-BYZAS-helmeted-bearded-head-of-Byzas-right.jpg
Coinage with depiction of Byzas, founder of Byzantium.

[wvwvw]

the eastern roman empire had a roman identity and roman state structures.


And Roman identity was a GRECO-Roman identity. And Romans themselves could trace their origins and the founders of their city to Trojans!

[wvwvw]

This '' nation'' has albanian Fustanella as national dress ( afaik a shorter gayer version), ottoman buzuki as national musical instrument and want to claims albanian polyphony and dances also.

Fustanella is 100% Greek worn by Greeks since antiquity and only worn by Albanians of Northern Epirus, a land which had been uninterruptingly Greek for millenia. Albanians from other regions wore this:

http://i.imgur.com/qpOOG.jpg

And retard, the polyphony and dances of Albanians are copied stock and barrel from Greek Epirotes!

[Petros Houhoulis]

:picard1: it's not ur business if it's 1 hour or 1 million year .. we gonna remove the Greek alphabet from Egypt and end of discussion , u can thumb down as much as you want.

How is your new "Great Library of Alexandreia" doing???

It must be thumbing your Muslim brain down every day.

It's quite a pity to see the descendants of one of the earliest civilizations on Earth descend at such a level. While you remove the Greek alphabet, don't forget to eliminate the Pyramids since a previous horde of Muslims failed to do so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Menkaure#Attempted_demolition


At the end of the twelfth century al-Malek al-Aziz Othman ben Yusuf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aziz_Uthman), Saladin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin)'s son and heir, attempted to demolish the pyramids, starting with Menkaure's. The workmen whom Al-Aziz had recruited to demolish the pyramid found it almost as expensive to destroy as to build. They stayed at their job for eight months. They were not able to remove more than one or two stones each day at a cost of tiring themselves out utterly. Some used wedges (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_(mechanical_device)) and levers to move the stones, while others used ropes to pull them down. When a stone fell, it would bury itself in the sand, requiring extraordinary efforts to free it. Wedges were used to split the stones into several pieces, and a cart was used to carry it to the foot of the escarpment, where it was left. Far from accomplishing what they intended to do, they merely spoiled the pyramid by leaving a large vertical gash in its north face.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Menkaure#cite_note-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Menkaure#cite_note-6)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629611/ISIS-threatens-destroy-Egypt-s-PYRAMIDS-latest-video-showing-fanatics-blowing-2-500-year-old-temple-Iraq.html

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/islamic-state-threatens-pyramids-sphinx-as-it-begins-attack-on-egypt/news-story/04bc0988b77c920c4b45088425957713

https://www.rt.com/news/239093-islamist-calls-destroy-pyramids/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xvdHYcvoek

Shitty pigfood, the only thing you are good at is destroying Egypt...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdp_aZSZ3E

...And that's what you shall do to survive:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCPhqCrhkBA&t=5s

How many vitamins and proteins does camel urine have?

[Wadaad]

Fustanella is 100% Greek worn by Greeks since antiquity and only worn by Albanians of Northern Epirus, a land which had been uninterruptingly Greek for millenia. Albanians from other regions wore this:

http://i.imgur.com/qpOOG.jpg

And retard, the polyphony and dances of Albanians are copied stock and barrel from Greek Epirotes!

'fustan' is from Arabic for 'dress'

[Wadaad]

Lol at this ridiculous mongrel mulatta prostitute taking about importance and ottomans coming from a shithole such as Sudan where people are killed and rapped daily like normal activities.

My people the albanians created your state and modern identity. Modern Egypt And Sudan Were Created By An Albanian men And An Albanian dynasty.

Sudan became part of the Albanian-Arab empire of Muhammed Ali in 1815 when he sent his son and his best Albanian general with a few thousands albanians to kill the remaining mamlukes forever and so they did.

Albanians also enslaved thousands of your mulatto compatriots and there are even painting about that. The most brightful time of your mongrel people was when you were ruled by my people. Today you starve for food.

As for the ottomans, unlike you albanians were rulers and high people in the ottoman empire and we civilised and made it a better place for Christians and mulatto subhumans such as you that were slaves.

Before we fought the ottomans like lions for 120 years and defeated them in 35 battles and saved the filthy European continent from them in the 15th century.

Albanians have influenced history quiet a lot for our small numbers but mulattoes such as you have done nothing during history besides starving for food.

We also have lets say worse albanians such as Barbarosa brothers that enslaved thousands of North African mongrels such as you.

You are not an Arab but their rape off spring. Arabs are Saudi and iraqi.

Sudan up until the 1400s was Orthodox Christian majority, like the Serbs who ruled you recently...before then, they had the Meroitic and Nubian civilization which was highly influenced by Egypt and which thrived and maintained the Ancient Kemetic Nile Valley civilization until it was destroyed by people from my neck of the woods: the Axumites, who also had colonies in South west Asia all the way up to Mecca/Jeddah/Tai'f region in the Hejaz. The closest person to destroying the kaaba was an Ethiopian general, and before Islam, Ethiopians were occupying Arab lands like how Zionists are occupying Arab lands today.


Anyway, keep trying hard to prove you are Illyrians. One thing this low brow place taught me, is that Albanians are definitely NOT descendants of Illyrians but some kind of migrant settler population to Europe (like their overlords the Turks, and also like the Gypsies). While Nubians were constructing pyramids, your ancesotrs where collecting wild wheat grains from the foothills of Azerbaijan mountains!

People forget the demographic VACUUM in the balkans post Byzantine collapse. Alot of Balkan regions were uninhabited so migration would have been a synch

You and Laberia have an insecurity bleeting 'we are European, we are European! and posting Hellenic statues as if these are Albos...No wonder with this attitude your ancestors quickly adopted Islam when militant Turks came into the area (not as peaceful missionaries and trading as Islam came to Somalia).

Just like you are shouting today "we are Europeans we ar Europeans!!" your ancestors shouted "we are Turks we are Turks!" and if tomorrow UFO lands with grey aliens, the first to kiss their ass would be your people, you already have the ET skulls.

[HERK]

Europe without Turks and Arabs invention:

http://i63.tinypic.com/30ubcsj.jpg

There are no Arabic or Turkish inventions that helped Europe in any way, thanks.

[HERK]

In reality they were defeated by Heraclius just before the Muslims invaded:

You do not stop an invasion with a single battle, Persia was much bigger than Greece and they would have invaded sooner or later just like the Ottomans did, the only reason the Ottomans are not in Greece anymore is for the sake of the military advancement of the Western Christians which saved you and the whole Balkan. So don't forget mr.Houhoulis , the bigger fish eats the smaller one.

[Laberia]

Sudan up until the 1400s was Orthodox Christian majority, like the Serbs who ruled you recently...before then, they had the Meroitic and Nubian civilization which was highly influenced by Egypt and which thrived and maintained the Ancient Kemetic Nile Valley civilization until it was destroyed by people from my neck of the woods: the Axumites, who also had colonies in South west Asia all the way up to Mecca/Jeddah/Tai'f region in the Hejaz. The closest person to destroying the kaaba was an Ethiopian general, and before Islam, Ethiopians were occupying Arab lands like how Zionists are occupying Arab lands today.


Anyway, keep trying hard to prove you are Illyrians. One thing this low brow place taught me, is that Albanians are definitely NOT descendants of Illyrians but some kind of migrant settler population to Europe (like their overlords the Turks, and also like the Gypsies). While Nubians were constructing pyramids, your ancesotrs where collecting wild wheat grains from the foothills of Azerbaijan mountains!

People forget the demographic VACUUM in the balkans post Byzantine collapse. Alot of Balkan regions were uninhabited so migration would have been a synch

You and Laberia have an insecurity bleeting 'we are European, we are European! and posting Hellenic statues as if these are Albos...No wonder with this attitude your ancestors quickly adopted Islam when militant Turks came into the area (not as peaceful missionaries and trading as Islam came to Somalia).

Just like you are shouting today "we are Europeans we ar Europeans!!" your ancestors shouted "we are Turks we are Turks!" and if tomorrow UFO lands with grey aliens, the first to kiss their ass would be your people, you already have the ET skulls.
Let me explain you something Wadaad, because is my duty as a European to teach a zezak, negro like you. If you don't agree with me, you are free to quote me and explain why you don't agree. You are also free to open a thread. But this kind of attacks are not correct, are considered ad hominem. This is an European forum. Try to learn something, starting with how to behave.

[Wadaad]

Let me explain you something Wadaad, because is my duty as a European to teach a zezak, negro like you. If you don't agree with me, you are free to quote me and explain why you don't agree. You are also free to open a thread. But this kind of attacks are not correct, are considered ad hominem. This is an European forum. Try to learn something, starting with how to behave.

You have to mention every post you are European...I understand, others are given the benefit of the doubt, but you, you have to prove your lineage like the bastard child when he comes to the dinner table. You would be shouting at the top of your lungs "As a Turk..." some centuries ago. Pathetic chameleons, trust me you have little to teach me, as I have your insecurities figured out.

[Laberia]

You have to mention every post you are European...I understand, others are given the benefit of the doubt, but you, you have to prove your lineage like the bastard child when he comes to the dinner table. You would be shouting at the top of your lungs "As a Turk..." some centuries ago. Pathetic chameleons, trust me you have little to teach me, as I have your insecurities figured out.

OK Wadaad. I know that is much more easy to teach a gorilla to eat with knife and fork then to teach one like you to behave like human. But i will never stop, always i will try.

[wvwvw]

You do not stop an invasion with a single battle, Persia was much bigger than Greece and they would have invaded sooner or later just like the Ottomans did, the only reason the Ottomans are not in Greece anymore is for the sake of the military advancement of the Western Christians which saved you and the whole Balkan. So don't forget mr.Houhoulis , the bigger fish eats the smaller one.

The Persians were completely destroyed in 600 AD by the Byzantines.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

For the sake of the debate, just mention me one portugese world wide influencing philosopher or scientists.

You were free of muslim joke since 1250 or so, went thought Renaissance and industrial age and had 600 years to develop science and schools of thoughts, tell me one.

Portugal is a country which has immense foreign national dept and lives though the money of EU, while Turkey is a huge geopolitical power and player and sovereign nation with high production unlike portugal.

Unlike your Turkish blood brother I never claimed that we would still be on stone age if Portugal never existed, like he claimed we would be if Turks never existed.

Of course an Albanian had to come to the rescue of his Turk lover.

We are free of Muslim joke? Sure, thankfully. We can not say the same of your Kebab nation in the Balkans with your Muslim majority people.

Albania at the present:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KlWFZfqFUo

Portugueses centuries ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJyquQNjHHk


Learn the difference, I don't care how powerful Turkey is, that doesn't impress and I would never become a sell-out like your people who constantly like to lick their Turkish ally butts.

[Pahli]

The Persians were completely destroyed in 600 AD by the Byzantines.

No they weren't destroyed but they still lost the war. Both empires were exhausted though, just read how the Arabs defeated them so easily.

[ariel]

No they weren't destroyed but they still lost the war. Both empires were exhausted though, just read how the Arabs defeated them so easily.

This the real disaster of the world the byzantine and the persians fought each others and the arabs win the war easilly the result is the islamic danger to this day...

[Pahli]

This the real disaster of the world the byzantine and the persians fought each others and the arabs win the war easilly the result is the islamic danger to this day...

Kek, can't win every time. Persian king and military commanders were terrible, starving their own soldiers and employing horrible tactics, despite their numbers they got fucked.

[Kamal900]

Kek, can't win every time. Persian king and military commanders were terrible, starving their own soldiers and employing horrible tactics, despite their numbers they got fucked.

Which is sad considering that Ali Bin Abi Talid was disgusted on how the Ummuyad Arabs treated the Persians in Iran. Strangely, Persian culture began to flourish very greatly under the Abbasid period which instigated the Golden age of Islam which Harun Rashid himself said that we Arabs couldn't live a single day without the Persians on just how important Persian civilization was until when the bloodthirsty Turks and Mongols began to kill millions of Iranians, Arabs and etc which had plunged the population of Iran from millions of people to just 500,000. The Ottoman empire was a civilization filled with decadence and illiteracy where the Sultans used to keep the wealth of the lands they had conquered mostly to themselves.

[Pahli]

Which is sad considering that Ali Bin Abi Talid was disgusted on how the Ummuyad Arabs treated the Persians in Iran. Strangely, Persian culture began to flourish very greatly under the Abbasid period which instigated the Golden age of Islam which Harun Rashid himself said that we Arabs couldn't live a single day without the Persians on just how important Persian civilization was until when the bloodthirsty Turks and Mongols began to kill millions of Iranians, Arabs and etc which had plunged the population of Iran from millions of people to just 500,000. The Ottoman empire was a civilization filled with decadence and illiteracy where the Sultans used to keep the wealth of the lands they had conquered mostly to themselves.

The biggest winners are still Arabs and Persians, Persians because of culture, Arabs because of language, over a billion people have to know Arabic. Although I am against any cultural influence from the Quran and Islam, because even Persian culture has its flaws.

Imagine the satisfaction of stepping on the face of those terrorist supporting Qataris and Saudis along with those degenerate shi'ite clerics and ayatollahs. Dismantling Islam has to start from the top, then the rest will be thrown into chaos and the religion will crumble.

[HERK]

Learn the difference, I don't care how powerful Turkey is, that doesn't impress and I would never become a sell-out like your people who constantly like to lick their Turkish ally butts.

Albanians were not sellouts , ofc there were Albanians that did sell to the Turks just like there were Serbs,Greeks or Bosnians and even Portuguese but the difference with us was that the Turks found us in between Christianity and Paganism, Greeks and Serbs had their well-established Church which we didn't and that made us an easy prey for the enemy, even after the Turks left Albanians couldn't return to Christianity because they never were so much into Christianity to begin with, it is the same case with the Bosnians.

[Kamal900]

The biggest winners are still Arabs and Persians, Persians because of culture, Arabs because of language, over a billion people have to know Arabic. Although I am against any cultural influence from the Quran and Islam, because even Persian culture has its flaws.

Imagine the satisfaction of stepping on the face of those terrorist supporting Qataris and Saudis along with those degenerate shi'ite clerics and ayatollahs. Dismantling Islam has to start from the top, then the rest will be thrown into chaos and the religion will crumble.

Yes, religion is always the means to control the people, and if the top were toppled down then you can see real change in the world. Every culture in the world has it's flaws, and we can only fix these flaws is first by admitting it rather than try to conceal them like how the Turks in Turkey or the Syrians in Syria are doing. I mean, I know that Islam has a lot of sick and hateful passages and all that, but there are some good things about it like how nationalism and racism is haram, and that all human beings are created equal and only judge a person based on his/her individual characteristics and etc. I mean, sure the UAE has it's flaws when it comes to sharia law and all that(it's more like a mix between secularism and sharia), but what I love here in this country is that all the good and educated peoples across the world are living in peace together, and the country is one of the safest and least corrupt nations in the world:
http://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/travel/uae-among-worlds-top-safest-countries

Look at countries like Turkey and Syria for example. Do these countries look safe and peaceful despite that the governments in these countries are secular governments? No, and honestly, the Turks and the Syrians brought all the shit that is happening to their nations to themselves. I do have great hopes for the nation that I'm living in to change for the better which has the potential for the future.

[Kazbolat]

http://img01.deviantart.net/5916/i/2014/105/8/8/arab_and_turkish_imperialism_of_the_middle_east__b y_johncena26-d7ej9xe.jpg

Perhaps it would be like this.

If you made this map, you are probably the dumbest member on this forum.

Do you think this is how middle east would have looked wthout the spread of Islam and medieval Turkic conquests? Then you are an idiot

Middle East would have been divided between Sassanids and Byzantines.

[StonyArabia]

The Sassanids had dissatisfied population, who were not Persian subjects, and the same was true of the Byzantines. Also it was easy for the nomadic tribes in Arabia to defeat settled peoples. Never mind that both empires had large Arab populations. Both of these Arab population despite were Christian and pagan defected to the Arab forces. For example the Arabian empires were hugely buffed up by Christian Arabs. Never mind that in Iraq, the Arab tribes acted as spies against the Persians. In Jordan the Arab tribes who had long been subdued by the Byzantines saw a chance to break free from their rule and the same was true of the Arabian tribes in Southern Syria, who before that time had resisted the Romans under the Queen Mavia. The Byzantines were also disliked by their subjects, this why there was no resistance in the areas the Arabs began to takeover such as Egypt, Libya and Tunisia.

After the Arabian conquests which had only male warriors, there was a large movement of tribes in those regions, but even before the rise of Islam, Arab tribes had long settled in Jordan, Southern Iraq, and Syria. After that there was even more large Arabian tribes settling, but this was would then be speed up with the Mongol invasions, especially in the case of Iraq, where Arabian tribes move into the Western and Southern regions.

[Selurong]

The Sassanids had dissatisfied population, who were not Persian subjects, and the same was true of the Byzantines. Also it was easy for the nomadic tribes in Arabia to defeat settled peoples. Never mind that both empires had large Arab populations. Both of these Arab population despite were Christian and pagan defected to the Arab forces. For example the Arabian empires were hugely buffed up by Christian Arabs. Never mind that in Iraq, the Arab tribes acted as spies against the Persians. In Jordan the Arab tribes who had long been subdued by the Byzantines saw a chance to break free from their rule and the same was true of the Arabian tribes in Southern Syria, who before that time had resisted the Romans under the Queen Mavia. The Byzantines were also disliked by their subjects, this why there was no resistance in the areas the Arabs began to takeover such as Egypt, Libya and Tunisia.

After the Arabian conquests which had only male warriors, there was a large movement of tribes in those regions, but even before the rise of Islam, Arab tribes had long settled in Jordan, Southern Iraq, and Syria. After that there was even more large Arabian tribes settling, but this was would then be speed up with the Mongol invasions, especially in the case of Iraq, where Arabian tribes move into the Western and Southern regions.

Actually the Byzantine provinces didn't just peacefully accepted Islam, they resisted and in fact there were several skirmishes and sieges between the Arabs and Byzantines especially at Alexandria.

[Numidia]

The Sassanids had dissatisfied population, who were not Persian subjects, and the same was true of the Byzantines. Also it was easy for the nomadic tribes in Arabia to defeat settled peoples. Never mind that both empires had large Arab populations. Both of these Arab population despite were Christian and pagan defected to the Arab forces. For example the Arabian empires were hugely buffed up by Christian Arabs. Never mind that in Iraq, the Arab tribes acted as spies against the Persians. In Jordan the Arab tribes who had long been subdued by the Byzantines saw a chance to break free from their rule and the same was true of the Arabian tribes in Southern Syria, who before that time had resisted the Romans under the Queen Mavia. The Byzantines were also disliked by their subjects, this why there was no resistance in the areas the Arabs began to takeover such as Egypt, Libya and Tunisia.

After the Arabian conquests which had only male warriors, there was a large movement of tribes in those regions, but even before the rise of Islam, Arab tribes had long settled in Jordan, Southern Iraq, and Syria. After that there was even more large Arabian tribes settling, but this was would then be speed up with the Mongol invasions, especially in the case of Iraq, where Arabian tribes move into the Western and Southern regions.

before islam there were only 2 tribes in the levant : ghassanids and lakhmids who were under the command of sassanids and byzantines
Arabs took byzantine place, they were the rulers and the populations remained the same and mostly christians like you know arabs didnt want them to convert to islam to perceive tax money
your agenda is ridiculous you are repeating baathist propaganda which make believe to levantines and iraqis, regardless of their religion, that their ancestors were of arab tribes when the levant is the place that has been the most dominated by arabs. Domination don't equal massive migration or mixity.
you would never find real arabs historians who would confirm all you say :laugh: only in levant you believe this lies and use arab in anyway to create a identity you should know that the guy who started panarabism ideology is a christian which is hilarious since arabs were not christians some of them even claim to be related to Ishmael some think they have conquered spain even if levant was mostly christians before ottomans rule
you can say what you want here people are totally ignorant about non europeans
I saw some comments you post many lies but people are too ignorant to notice it, it's funny how you are fooling people as if you're a intellectual when in reality you don't even know yourself
one last word, arabs have never been bedouins and your arabized bedouins can't compete with iranians lol

[StonyArabia]

Actually the Byzantine provinces didn't just peacefully accepted Islam, they resisted and in fact there were several skirmishes and sieges between the Arabs and Byzantines especially at Alexandria.

Sure that was Byzantine ruling elite and those allied with them, but the majority of the locals saw the Arabs as liberators. Like I said before many Arab tribes under Byzantine rule had defected to the Arab Muslim forces despite being Christian or pagan. The pagan ones who were there readily accepted Islam and took arms against the Byzantines. Once the Arabs had reached North Africa, the Byzantines were the only ones who fought, and the locals saw the Arabs as liberators. Southern Jordan for example accepted Islam, and had long kept a grudge against the Byzantine when Ibn Farwa Al-Judhimi was executed, because he adopted Islam. The local subjects were tired of Byzantine oppression. The Byzantines lost significant amount of land and man power because of it. The same is true of the Persian empire, hence why both of those empires could not stop the Arab wake. Even if the Byzantines and Persians did not exhaust themselves, most likely the Arabs would have pounced sooner or later. In many battles the Arab tribes who were subjects to these empires allied themselves with them. This only becomes different in North Africa, as the locals were not of Arab stock, but things would change after the conquest of Egypt, that many local Egyptians convert to Islam as means of revolt against the Byzantines and also join the Arab forces, same process will happen in Tunisia and Libya. The Arabs would then face the free Berber tribes, and actually get slowed down by Kahina in Algeria, but eventually new Yemenite and Nejidi forces are sent, hence her defeat. After conquering all of North Africa, Iberia, Sicily, and parts of Southern France falls to the Arabs.

[Ashanti]

Sudan up until the 1400s was Orthodox Christian majority, like the Serbs who ruled you recently...before then, they had the Meroitic and Nubian civilization which was highly influenced by Egypt and which thrived and maintained the Ancient Kemetic Nile Valley civilization until it was destroyed by people from my neck of the woods: the Axumites, who also had colonies in South west Asia all the way up to Mecca/Jeddah/Tai'f region in the Hejaz. The closest person to destroying the kaaba was an Ethiopian general, and before Islam, Ethiopians were occupying Arab lands like how Zionists are occupying Arab lands today.


Anyway, keep trying hard to prove you are Illyrians. One thing this low brow place taught me, is that Albanians are definitely NOT descendants of Illyrians but some kind of migrant settler population to Europe (like their overlords the Turks, and also like the Gypsies). While Nubians were constructing pyramids, your ancesotrs where collecting wild wheat grains from the foothills of Azerbaijan mountains!

People forget the demographic VACUUM in the balkans post Byzantine collapse. Alot of Balkan regions were uninhabited so migration would have been a synch

You and Laberia have an insecurity bleeting 'we are European, we are European! and posting Hellenic statues as if these are Albos...No wonder with this attitude your ancestors quickly adopted Islam when militant Turks came into the area (not as peaceful missionaries and trading as Islam came to Somalia).

Just like you are shouting today "we are Europeans we ar Europeans!!" your ancestors shouted "we are Turks we are Turks!" and if tomorrow UFO lands with grey aliens, the first to kiss their ass would be your people, you already have the ET skulls.
I'm not sure what's funnier, the fact that your people have nothing to do with the axumites or that the descendants of the axumites love to boast about invading a capital city years after it was already abandoned.

[Shah-Jehan]

I'm not sure what's funnier, the fact that your people have nothing to do with the axumites or that the descendants of the axumites love to boast about invading a capital city years after it was already abandoned.

Marriage in Islam is so simple and beautiful. Throw in culture and suddenly everything becomes long and complicated.

[StonyArabia]

before islam there were only 2 tribes in the levant : ghassanids and lakhmids who were under the command of sassanids and byzantines
Arabs took byzantine place, they were the rulers and the populations remained the same and mostly christians like you know arabs didnt want them to convert to islam to perceive tax money

Wrong again, in the Levant there was several Arabian tribes Midianites, Thumidic, Nabatean, Saifitic and even Southern Arabian ones like Maneans, and Sabeans. The city of Ma'an was built by the Maneans who adopted Northern Arabic. Southern Syria for example was a host to numerous Arabian tribes the most famous of these are the Tankhuids who strongly resist Roman rule, and their poetry exist to this day. As for Iraqis they had stronger Arabian presence due to the Lakhmids and other tribes that settled like the Banu Q'aada.


ikyour agenda is ridiculous you are repeating baathist propaganda which make believe to levantines and iraqis, regardless of their religion, that their ancestors were of arab tribes when the levant is the place that has been the most dominated by arabs. Domination don't equal massive migration or mixity.

These are facts not Baathist propaganda. I am from Iraq I know the history of my people. I explained to you. Most Iraqis are of Arabian stock, you will find the ones who used to speak Syriac dialects to be in North Western Iraq, and they were Christians, most of them were pushed by incoming Iranic speakers who dominated the Northeast, and also due to the population exchange of Shia Turks and Sunni Kurds during Ottoman and Safavid times. Also these Northern Iraqi Arabs were forced into Islam by Timur the lame, especially in areas like Tikrit and Mosul. Of course there was movement of Persio-Turks, some who have settled in Northern Iraq leading to the formation of the Iraqi Turkmens. Of course it does not, but there was significant tribal movements in those regions from Arabia. However Levantines for the most part have kept their Levantine base, as the Mongols did not depopulate their region.



you would never find real arabs historians who would confirm all you say :laugh: only in levant you believe this lies and use arab in anyway to create a identity you should know that the guy who started panarabism ideology is a christian which is hilarious since arabs were not christians some of them even claim to be related to Ishmael some think they have conquered spain even if levant was mostly christians before ottomans rule

Northern Arabian tribes are descendants of Ishamel at least this what the bible states, however South Arabians are not. Also Northern Arabic is Central-Semitic language close to Aramaic and Hebrew, not like South Arabian which is distinct language. However the two groups intermingled together since ancient times and formed modern Arabs. As Arabs are divided into Qaysi and Yemenite. It does not matter if the founder of pan-Arabism is Christian. Actually no the Levant, was majority Sunni Muslim, with some communities of Christian, and Shia Muslims. Southern Lebanon was always Shia, and it was Southern Lebanese clerks who would bring Shiaism to Iran, under the blessing of their Shah Ismail. The same Shah Ismail who would force the Southern Iraqi tribes into Shiaism.


you can say what you want here people are totally ignorant about non europeans
I saw some comments you post many lies but people are too ignorant to notice it, it's funny how you are fooling people as if you're a intellectual when in reality you don't even know yourself

No what I state is found is within true history and nothing I have said is lies. No I don't pretend to be intellectual, because what I state the truth. The only region that did not get Arab influence is North Africa. North Africans only adopted Arabic language because of lingua franca. Even your dialects are really languages in their own right. Yet Iraqi Arab does not differ from Arabian Arabic, the closest dialect to Iraqi is Qatari and Bahrani, although Iraqi is Nejdi based. It's nothern Iraqi Arabic that has quite a lot of Aramaic influence. However not Southern or Western Iraqi.



one last word, arabs have never been bedouins and your arabized bedouins can't compete with iranians lol

Bedouins are the the true Arabians, especially those who belong to well known tribes. They are not Arabized as Bedouins are both Qaysi and Yemenite. Some Yemenite tribes adopted Northern Arabic and the same lifestyle. If you compare Bedouins to Iranians, especially those in Western Iraq can't be ruled anyone, they would not allow anyone in their region. They would fight for their independence at no matter the cost. Arabian Bedouins like the Al-Nahyan and King Fisal advanced their nations, and in the case of the Al-Nahyan they share their wealth with all the locals of their nation, yet Iran has high unemployment and spends it's money on outsiders, than it's people. Yeah they are doing better than us lol.

[Gold-Shekel]

Atheism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagoras_of_Melos

Name one ancient atheist culture that still exists today and that has been atheist continually. Oh wait, it doesn't exist because Atheism is an instant gratification ideology.

[Numidia]

Wrong again, in the Levant there was several Arabian tribes Midianites, Thumidic, Nabatean, Saifitic and even Southern Arabian ones like Maneans, and Sabeans. The city of Ma'an was built by the Maneans who adopted Northern Arabic. Southern Syria for example was a host to numerous Arabian tribes the most famous of these are the Tankhuids who strongly resist Roman rule, and their poetry exist to this day. As for Iraqis they had stronger Arabian presence due to the Lakhmids and other tribes that settled like the Banu Q'aada.



These are facts not Baathist propaganda. I am from Iraq I know the history of my people. I explained to you. Most Iraqis are of Arabian stock, you will find the ones who used to speak Syriac dialects to be in North Western Iraq, and they were Christians, most of them were pushed by incoming Iranic speakers who dominated the Northeast, and also due to the population exchange of Shia Turks and Sunni Kurds during Ottoman and Safavid times. Also these Northern Iraqi Arabs were forced into Islam by Timur the lame, especially in areas like Tikrit and Mosul. Of course there was movement of Persio-Turks, some who have settled in Northern Iraq leading to the formation of the Iraqi Turkmens. Of course it does not, but there was significant tribal movements in those regions from Arabia. However Levantines for the most part have kept their Levantine base, as the Mongols did not depopulate their region.




Northern Arabian tribes are descendants of Ishamel at least this what the bible states, however South Arabians are not. Also Northern Arabic is Central-Semitic language close to Aramaic and Hebrew, not like South Arabian which is distinct language. However the two groups intermingled together since ancient times and formed modern Arabs. As Arabs are divided into Qaysi and Yemenite. It does not matter if the founder of pan-Arabism is Christian. Actually no the Levant, was majority Sunni Muslim, with some communities of Christian, and Shia Muslims. Southern Lebanon was always Shia, and it was Southern Lebanese clerks who would bring Shiaism to Iran, under the blessing of their Shah Ismail. The same Shah Ismail who would force the Southern Iraqi tribes into Shiaism.



No what I state is found is within true history and nothing I have said is lies. No I don't pretend to be intellectual, because what I state the truth. The only region that did not get Arab influence is North Africa. North Africans only adopted Arabic language because of lingua franca. Even your dialects are really languages in their own right. Yet Iraqi Arab does not differ from Arabian Arabic, the closest dialect to Iraqi is Qatari and Bahrani, although Iraqi is Nejdi based. It's nothern Iraqi Arabic that has quite a lot of Aramaic influence. However not Southern or Western Iraqi.




Bedouins are the the true Arabians, especially those who belong to well known tribes. They are not Arabized as Bedouins are both Qaysi and Yemenite. Some Yemenite tribes adopted Northern Arabic and the same lifestyle. If you compare Bedouins to Iranians, especially those in Western Iraq can't be ruled anyone, they would not allow anyone in their region. They would fight for their independence at no matter the cost. Arabian Bedouins like the Al-Nahyan and King Fisal advanced their nations, and in the case of the Al-Nahyan they share their wealth with all the locals of their nation, yet Iran has high unemployment and spends it's money on outsiders, than it's people. Yeah they are doing better than us lol.

you mix modern arabians (arabized bedouins) and original arabs (qahtan), levantines and iraqis are only arabized all the way
all historians say that the original arabs are qathanites (South arabia) while adnanites (central arabia) the prophet (sws) tribes, were arabized, the rest have nothing to do with them and the both have never been bedouins
now that you're discredited you say only north africans are arabized, you must know that some historians (even the famous Ibn khaldoun) claim that some amazigh tribes are originally arab (which is not true) but nobody use that
Real arabs had admiration for iranians but they despised bedouins who stole their genealogies and the names of their tribes as if they belong to this tribes, exactly what you're doing

[Petros Houhoulis]

Sudan up until the 1400s was Orthodox Christian majority, like the Serbs who ruled you recently...before then, they had the Meroitic and Nubian civilization which was highly influenced by Egypt and which thrived and maintained the Ancient Kemetic Nile Valley civilization until it was destroyed by people from my neck of the woods: the Axumites, who also had colonies in South west Asia all the way up to Mecca/Jeddah/Tai'f region in the Hejaz. The closest person to destroying the kaaba was an Ethiopian general, and before Islam, Ethiopians were occupying Arab lands like how Zionists are occupying Arab lands today.


Anyway, keep trying hard to prove you are Illyrians. One thing this low brow place taught me, is that Albanians are definitely NOT descendants of Illyrians but some kind of migrant settler population to Europe (like their overlords the Turks, and also like the Gypsies). While Nubians were constructing pyramids, your ancesotrs where collecting wild wheat grains from the foothills of Azerbaijan mountains!

People forget the demographic VACUUM in the balkans post Byzantine collapse. Alot of Balkan regions were uninhabited so migration would have been a synch

You and Laberia have an insecurity bleeting 'we are European, we are European! and posting Hellenic statues as if these are Albos...No wonder with this attitude your ancestors quickly adopted Islam when militant Turks came into the area (not as peaceful missionaries and trading as Islam came to Somalia).

Just like you are shouting today "we are Europeans we ar Europeans!!" your ancestors shouted "we are Turks we are Turks!" and if tomorrow UFO lands with grey aliens, the first to kiss their ass would be your people, you already have the ET skulls.

Load of bollocks from a man who forgets that Albania is slowly but steadily losing its' Muslim majority (currently at 57% and falling) while Africa has been effectively de-Islamized over the last century:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbARhSI2xio

Your ancestors might have islamized Sudan by force, but Islam shall lose everything by internal strife while the rest of the world encroaches upon you. Within a few decades you shall start losing countries like Iraq...

[Petros Houhoulis]

There are no Arabic or Turkish inventions that helped Europe in any way, thanks.

The Arabs developed Algebra and Astronomy, developed Optics and a few other things...

...The Persians contributed a lot too, but not the Turks.

[Petros Houhoulis]

You do not stop an invasion with a single battle, Persia was much bigger than Greece and they would have invaded sooner or later just like the Ottomans did,

That was not a single battle, and there was no "Greece" back then, it was the East Roman empire against the Persian empire, and the wars between Western forces and Persia have always been won by the west, while Persia never dreamed of conquering all of the Roman empire:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia


Romans in Persia is related to the brief invasion and occupation of western and central areas of Parthia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthia) (modern-day Iran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran)) by the Romans during their empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire). Emperor Trajan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan) was even able to nominate a king of western parts of Parthia, Parthamaspates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthamaspates), as ruler of a Roman "client state" in Parthia.
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1Characteristics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#Characteristics)
2Roman Parthia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#Roman_Parthia)
3Valerian Bridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#Valerian_Bridge)
4See also (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#See_also)
5Notes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#Notes)
6Bibliography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#Bibliography)


Characteristics[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romans_in_Persia&action=edit&section=1)]

The Romans, having expanded into the eastern Mediterranean, came in contact with their historical rivals in the Middle East (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East): the Parthians and Persians, whose respective empires occupied modern Iran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran) and surrounding areas. The Iranian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples) empires that faced the Romans had different names, related to the origin of the dynasties in control of their empires in different historical periods: first were the Medians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medians) (Media Atropatene), then Parthians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthians) and finally Sassanians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassanians).
In 64 BC Pompey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey) conquered the remaining Seleucid territories in Syria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria), extinguishing their state and advancing the Roman eastern frontier to the Euphrates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphrates), where Romans met for the first time the territory of the Parthians.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#cite_note-1)
Mark Antony (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Antony), in his quest to avenge the battle of Carrhae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Carrhae) defeat,[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#cite_note-2) conquered in 33 BC some areas of Atropatene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropatene) (northern Iran) and Armenia but soon lost it: that was the first time that Romans occupied a Persian territory, even if temporarily.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#cite_note-3)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Maps-roman-empire-peak-150AD.jpg/200px-Maps-roman-empire-peak-150AD.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maps-roman-empire-peak-150AD.jpg)

Map showing Media Atropatene inside the Roman Empire, as part of Assyria province


Furthermore, probably in 20 BC, Augustus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus) is said to have nominated Ariobarzanes II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariobarzanes_II_of_Atropatene), the son of Artavasdes, to be king of Media Atropatene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Atropatene),[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#cite_note-4) creating a semi-authonomous "vassal state" of Rome in what is now northwestern Iran. But soon, around 19 AD, The Parthians took again full control of Atropatene.
Although warfare between the Romans and the Parthians/Sassanids lasted for seven centuries, the frontier remained largely stable in those centuries. A game of tug of war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tug_of_war) ensued: towns, fortifications, and provinces were continuously sacked, captured, destroyed, and traded. The line of stalemate shifted in the 2nd century AD with Trajan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan): it had run along the northern Euphrates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphrates) until then. The new line ran northeast, across Mesopotamia to the northern Tigris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigris). There were also several substantial shifts further north, in Armenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia) and the Caucasus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus).
A new series of wars began in the 2nd century AD, during which the Romans consistently held the upper hand over Parthia. In 113 AD the Roman Emperor Trajan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan) decided that the moment was ripe to resolve the "eastern question" once and for all time by the decisive defeat of Parthia and the annexation of Armenia: his conquests mark a deliberate change of the Roman Policy towards Parthia, and a shift of emphasis in the "grand strategy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_strategy)" of the empire.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#cite_note-5)
Finally, one characteristic of the Roman presence in Persia is that Roman emperors dreamed of conquering all Persia from Trajan to Galerius, while Parthian/Sassanian kings never tried to conquer Rome, Italy or southeastern Europe according to historian Theodor Mommsen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Mommsen).

Roman Parthia[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romans_in_Persia&action=edit&section=2)]

Romans were able to conquer a great part of Parthia under emperor Trajan.
Indeed, in 113 AD Trajan invaded Parthia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthia), marching first on Armenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia). In 114 AD Trajan annexed Armenia to the Roman empire, after defeating and killing Parthamasiris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthamasiris_of_Armenia), relative of Osroes I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osroes_I) of Parthia. Then he turned south into Parthia itself, taking the cities of Babylon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon), Seleucia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucia_on_the_Tigris) and finally the capital of Ctesiphon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctesiphon) in 116 AD.
He deposed Osroes I and put his own puppet ruler Parthamaspates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthamaspates_of_Parthia) on the throne. In Mesopotamia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia) Osroes' brother Mithridates IV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridates_IV_of_Parthia) and his son Sanatruces II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanatruces_II_of_Parthia) took the diadem and fought against the Romans, but Trajan marched southward to the Persian Gulf, defeated them, and declared Mesopotamia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia) a new province of the empire. Later in 116 AD, he crossed the Khuzestan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuzestan) mountains into Persia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Empire) and captured the great city of Susa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susa).
Those months of 116 and 117 saw western Parthia as a client state (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client_state) of the Romans. Trajan originally planned to annex Parthia as part of the Roman Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire), but ultimately decided instead to place Parthamaspates on his father's throne as a Roman client, doing so in 116.
Trajan then proceeded into Mesopotamia with eleven Legions, taking the city of Nisibis and Batnae in September 115 AD. For these early victories, he was granted the title Parthicus by the Senate, which he was hesitant to accept. Continuing his march, Trajan crossed the Tigris River using boats and reached the city of Babylon, before returning to Antioch to pass the winter. In the following year, Trajan returned to Mesopotamia to continue his conquest. He crossed the Tigris, reaffirmed his conquest of Adiabene and proceeded to Ctesiphon, the most important capital of the Parthian Empire. The Parthian King fled and the city fell without much of a siege. At that point, Trajan formally incorporated the title Parthicus into his name to his victory, along with the phrase Parthia Capta (Parthia seized) on his coins. During all of this campaign, he had been largely unopposed on the field by the Parthians, who had been severely weakened in a civil war that was still ongoing during Trajan’s campaign. No major pitched battles were recorded and it appears that most of the campaign had consisted of sieges. Trajan himself was disappointed, for he had not won a great victory on the field against the “King of Kings”, as Alexander the Great had centuries before him. Upon reaching the Persian Gulf, it is said that he lamented as he saw a ship leaving for India, where he could not bring his conquest to.In southern Mesopotamia, Trajan learned that the cities he conquered in the north were revolting. He then dispatched his generals who recaptured the region. Nisibis was recaptured and Edessa was sacked. Then, Trajan received word that a Parthian general Parthamastaphes, nephew of the King, was arriving with an army. Interestingly, no battle was fought. Instead, Trajan placed Parthamastaphes on the throne of Ctesiphon as puppet Trajan’s puppet king. However, Trajan’s campaign turned for the worse. Armenia revolted from Roman rule and Trajan was forced to concede much of his Armenian conquests. In Mesopotamia, the city of Hatra resisted Trajan’s siege. Unable to take the city and short of supplies and campaign resources, Trajan’s campaign came to a close. The emperor withdrew his men from southern Mesopotamia to consolidate his gains in the north. Trajan planned to embark on another campaign, but was struck by illness. Trajan died in 117 AD, after returning home.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#cite_note-6)

Trajan created even the province of Assyria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Assyria), whose eastern border were never well defined by historians: it is possible that included northwestern Elam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elam), a semi-autonomous Persian province (now Īlām Province (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%AAl%C4%81m_Province) of Iran) that welcomed his conquest of Mesopotamia.
Following the death of Trajan and Roman withdrawal from the area, Osroes easily defeated Parthamaspates and reclaimed the Persian throne. Hadrian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian) acknowledged this fait accompli, recognized Osroes, Parthamaspates king of Osroene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osroene), and returned Osroes' daughter who had been taken prisoner by Trajan (as a warranty to control his client state).
Even if there were further attacks from Roman emperors against the Parthian and later Sassanid empire (Romans even suffered humiliating defeats, like with emperor Valerian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerian_(Roman_emperor))), no huge territory of actual Iran was never occupied again by Roman legions: The Romans stopped always after conquering Ctesiphon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctesiphon) and soon returned behind their "limes siriacus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_the_Roman_Empire)" (only in 298 AD western Atropene up to lake Urmia was occupied by Romans for half a century).
Indeed, this city (capital of the Parthian and Sassanian empire, but not located in Iran) was captured by Rome five times in its history - three times in the 2nd century alone. The emperor Trajan captured Ctesiphon in 116 AD, but his successor, Hadrian, decided to willingly return Ctesiphon the next year as part of a peace settlement. The Roman general Avidius Cassius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avidius_Cassius) captured Ctesiphon in 164 AD during another Parthian war, but abandoned it when peace was concluded. In 197 AD, the emperor Septimius Severus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimius_Severus) sacked Ctesiphon and carried off thousands of its inhabitants, whom he sold into slavery. Late in the 3rd century, after the Parthians had been supplanted by the Sassanids, the city again became a source of conflict with Rome. In 283 AD, emperor Carus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carus) sacked the city uncontested during a period of civil upheaval. In 295 AD, emperor Diocletianus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletianus) sent Galerius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galerius) but was defeated outside the city. However, he returned a year later with a vengeance and won a victory which ended in the fifth and final capture of the city by the Romans in 299 AD.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Costantino_nord-limes_png.PNG/400px-Costantino_nord-limes_png.PNG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Costantino_nord-limes_png.PNG)

Map showing the Roman conquests in western Persia up to lake Urmia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Urmia), in the first decades of the 4th century (light pink).


Furthermore, in 297 AD Galerius marched into eastern Armenia and crushed there a Persian force, capturing an enormous amount of booty and even the harem and family of the Sassanian King Narseh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narseh). Moving later into Mesopotamia, Galerius' advance had the Persian defence collapsing before him and so he conquered the Persian capital Ctesiphon. Badly mauled, the Persians sued for peace. In AD 298 the province of Mesopotamia, together with even some territory from across the river Tigris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigris) up to the lacus Matianus (now called Lake Urmia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Urmia) in western Iran), was restored to Rome for half a century with an important Treaty.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#cite_note-7)
According to this Treaty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Nisibis_(299)):


Five provinces beyond the Tigris were to be ceded to the Romans. One writer gives these provinces as Intilene, Sophene, Arzanene, Carduene, and Zabdicene; while another as Arzanene, Moxoene, Zabdicene, Rehimene, and Corduene.
The Roman vassal "Kingdom of Armenia" was to be extended up to the fortress of Zintha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zintha), in Media Atropatene.


The extension of Armenia to the fortress of Zintha, in Media, seems to have imported much more than would at first sight appear from the words. Gibbon interprets it as implying the cession of all Media Atropatene, which certainly appears a little later to be in the possession of the Armenian monarch, Tiridates. A large addition to the Armenian territory out of the Median is doubtless intended; but it is quite impossible to determine definitely the extent or exact character of the cession....[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#cite_note-8)

Galerius (who occupied western Persia up to lake Matianus) wanted to conquest all Persia after his victory against Sassanian king Narseh, but Diocletianus preferred to have a Treaty and did the last "Parade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_triumph)" in Rome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) with a significant victory in the history of the Roman Empire.
Romans withdrew from the homeland territory of Persia with the 363 AD defeat of Jovian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovian_(Emperor)), and only Byzantine emperor Heraclius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclius) was able to return and conquer Gazaca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazaca) (the capital of Atropatene) and Ispahan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ispahan) (in central Persia) in 623 AD through the Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Sasanian_War_of_602%E2%80%93628) , just a few years before the Arab conquest of Sassanian Persia.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Persia#cite_note-9)

If you add the conquests of Alexnader the Great, the score is Romans&Greeks 3-0 Persians...


the only reason the Ottomans are not in Greece anymore is for the sake of the military advancement of the Western Christians which saved you and the whole Balkan. So don't forget mr.Houhoulis , the bigger fish eats the smaller one.

That's quite true, but remember, the Turks - or the Muslims - are still the smaller fish, and especially the slower fish, as today the fastest fish eats the slower one...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Let me explain you something Wadaad, because is my duty as a European to teach a zezak, negro like you. If you don't agree with me, you are free to quote me and explain why you don't agree. You are also free to open a thread. But this kind of attacks are not correct, are considered ad hominem. This is an European forum. Try to learn something, starting with how to behave.

What exactly did you explain to him mulatto? You haven't retorted one single claim of his, although he attacked you in every front imaginable... It would be a shame to call you European...

[Petros Houhoulis]

You have to mention every post you are European...I understand, others are given the benefit of the doubt, but you, you have to prove your lineage like the bastard child when he comes to the dinner table. You would be shouting at the top of your lungs "As a Turk..." some centuries ago. Pathetic chameleons, trust me you have little to teach me, as I have your insecurities figured out.

...And just because a few Turks came to the Balkans and fucked around leaving exactly zero genetic trace in the Balkan populations (virtually no Balkaner scores Central or East Asian Haplogroups) you have to come here and speak of bastard children, as if your own fellow Somalis haven't denounced you as the sperm of an Ethiopian in Somalinald...

[Petros Houhoulis]

OK Wadaad. I know that is much more easy to teach a gorilla to eat with knife and fork then to teach one like you to behave like human. But i will never stop, always i will try.

In order to teach anything to anyone Labitch you would have to learn to read, and then perhaps to learn to use links to back up your claims...

You are fucking useless. With such imbeciles like you at the border lines, we would certainly lose our pants to the Somalis. Luckily you are nowhere near the front line...

[Laberia]

What exactly did you explain to him mulatto? You haven't retorted one single claim of his, although he attacked you in every front imaginable... It would be a shame to call you European...

You can send a PM to Wadaad.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Albanians were not sellouts , ofc there were Albanians that did sell to the Turks just like there were Serbs,Greeks or Bosnians and even Portuguese but the difference with us was that the Turks found us in between Christianity and Paganism, Greeks and Serbs had their well-established Church which we didn't and that made us an easy prey for the enemy, even after the Turks left Albanians couldn't return to Christianity because they never were so much into Christianity to begin with, it is the same case with the Bosnians.

There might have been sellouts in every nation, but in the case of the Albanians, the sellouts were the majority. Other nations tended to send the traitors into exile, like the Cretans sent the 1/4 of the Cretan Muslims into Syria and Turkey, but Albania kept all of the traitors except for those who joined the Turks in order to advance economically...

[Petros Houhoulis]

If you made this map, you are probably the dumbest member on this forum.

Do you think this is how middle east would have looked wthout the spread of Islam and medieval Turkic conquests? Then you are an idiot

Middle East would have been divided between Sassanids and Byzantines.

Nope. Both the Byzantines and the Sassanids were already weakened by their wars. Most probably both of them would have lost a lot of their fringe territories due to their own actions anyway.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Actually the Byzantine provinces didn't just peacefully accepted Islam, they resisted and in fact there were several skirmishes and sieges between the Arabs and Byzantines especially at Alexandria.

The Byzantines lost a single battle that costed them most of their troops and then only Alexandreia resisted. Nevertheless, the Egyptians were always rebellious and supported local heresies all of the time. Copts or Monophysites would have eventually dominated if Islam didn't invade Egypt.

[Laberia]

There might have been sellouts in every nation, but in the case of the Albanians, the sellouts were the majority. Other nations tended to send the traitors into exile, like the Cretans sent the 1/4 of the Cretan Muslims into Syria and Turkey, but Albania kept all of the traitors except for those who joined the Turks in order to advance economically...

You are smart. You exchanged native Europeans with Asiatic and Arabs, using the religious criterion. That's why you are considered a religious sect and not a nation.

[Deymark]

Sudan up until the 1400s was Orthodox Christian majority, like the Serbs who ruled you recently...before then, they had the Meroitic and Nubian civilization which was highly influenced by Egypt and which thrived and maintained the Ancient Kemetic Nile Valley civilization until it was destroyed by people from my neck of the woods: the Axumites, who also had colonies in South west Asia all the way up to Mecca/Jeddah/Tai'f region in the Hejaz. The closest person to destroying the kaaba was an Ethiopian general, and before Islam, Ethiopians were occupying Arab lands like how Zionists are occupying Arab lands today.


Anyway, keep trying hard to prove you are Illyrians. One thing this low brow place taught me, is that Albanians are definitely NOT descendants of Illyrians but some kind of migrant settler population to Europe (like their overlords the Turks, and also like the Gypsies). While Nubians were constructing pyramids, your ancesotrs where collecting wild wheat grains from the foothills of Azerbaijan mountains!

People forget the demographic VACUUM in the balkans post Byzantine collapse. Alot of Balkan regions were uninhabited so migration would have been a synch

You and Laberia have an insecurity bleeting 'we are European, we are European! and posting Hellenic statues as if these are Albos...No wonder with this attitude your ancestors quickly adopted Islam when militant Turks came into the area (not as peaceful missionaries and trading as Islam came to Somalia).

Just like you are shouting today "we are Europeans we ar Europeans!!" your ancestors shouted "we are Turks we are Turks!" and if tomorrow UFO lands with grey aliens, the first to kiss their ass would be your people, you already have the ET skulls.

Holy shit, it's game over for albozergs.
Someone ,we need a paramedic here to declare The.Mask dead.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Marriage in Islam is so simple and beautiful. Throw in culture and suddenly everything becomes long and complicated.

It coundn't be too long because then the underage bride would realize what is going on and start protesting against her 70 years olf husband...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Name one ancient atheist culture that still exists today and that has been atheist continually. Oh wait, it doesn't exist because Atheism is an instant gratification ideology.

Atheism has been the most persecuted ideology in the world. Diagoras of Melos had to flee Athens because he was an Atheist. On the contrary St. Paul was not only accepted as a Christian but also allowed to preach Christianity in Athens.

Atheism has been interrupted many, many times in history and Atheists had to live in hiding because of constant persecution. Instant gratification is the characteristic of those who dream of 72 virgins in heaven, don't you think?

[Petros Houhoulis]

You can send a PM to Wadaad.

I have no secrets for Wadaad. I can easily shit upon him and you without effort...

[Petros Houhoulis]

You are smart. You exchanged native Europeans with Asiatic and Arabs, using the religious criterion. That's why you are considered a religious sect and not a nation.

We didn't import Arabs and the "Asiatics" were mostly descendants of Greeks in Asia anyway, from the time of Jason and the Golden fleece, Alexander the Great and so on. The Pontians have way more Europid skulls than you Albanians could ever dream of, and now you illiterate monkey go to find what a "Europid" skull means...

[Laberia]

I have no secrets for Wadaad. I can easily shit upon him and you without effort...

You can shit on his dick meanwhile he is pushing. But, anyway, this is your private life.

[Laberia]

We didn't import Arabs and the "Asiatics" were mostly descendants of Greeks in Asia anyway, from the time of Jason and the Golden fleece, Alexander the Great and so on. The Pontians have way more Europid skulls than you Albanians could ever dream of, and now you illiterate monkey go to find what a "Europid" skull means...

Really? Read this:



Two notable divisions may be made in reference to the population of Turkey ; the first according to race, the second according to religion. The races of com-paratively unmixed blood are the Arabs, the Armenians, the Albanians, and the Kurds. The most mixed race in the empire is probably the Turkish, using the word in its strict sense so as to exclude other Moslem subjects of Turkey like the Arabs, Albanians, and Pomaks.
It must be noted that while neither Anatolian Greek nor Hellenic is of pure descent, the people with whom they have intermingled respectively have been different. The Europeans have intermarried with Slavs, Albanians, Wallachs, and Franks ; the Asiatics with the earlier races of Asia-Minor and Syria. The Semitic races have left their influence. So also have the Armenians. The Galatians, inhabitants of what was called by ancient geographers Gallo-Grecia, on account of its conquest and settlement in the third century B.C. by the Gauls, found a population probably of Hittites, and both conqueror and conquered contributed to the formation of the existing Asiatic Greek. All round the coast there were and are Greek-speaking peoples. The Lazes of north- eastern Asia-Minor, most of whom are now Moslems, form one such people. The colonies at Trebizond, Samsoun, Amasia, Sinope, and elsewhere on the Black Sea, and even inland near Konia, remain Greek in religion, but are notoriously not of pure race. On the south coast of Asia-Minor from Adalia to Alexandretta there has been a large intermixture of Arab blood.

Turkey and its people
by Pears, Edwin, Sir, 1835-1919
Published [1911]


We are thus speaking of the Albanians or Arnauts, or as they call themselves – and every people must decide for itself what it is called – Shypetars. They are the inhabitants of this land and have defended it courageously against all invaders. The Shypetars have inhabited this mountain region since ancient times and, more than once, have even populated the empty south, I mean Greece. They have not mixed much with the Greeks, but are so numerous there that we even find them in great numbers in Livadia and the Morea, that is to say in Attica and the Peloponnese, and should it be necessary, they could repopulate all of Greece. A bit of fresh blood would do the Turkified Greeks much good. Although they are Mohammedans, they are in constant conflict with the Turks, and they beat them more often than they are beaten. They pay tribute to the Porte but are paid far more for all the military service they provide. If they do not receive their wages, they will fight for anyone who will pay them. A year ago, our newspapers reported that they had been conquered and subjected, but this is not true.

Extract from: Gottlieb August Wimmer, Neuestes Gemälde der europäischen Türkei und Griechenlands (Vienna: Anton Doll, 1833), pp. 138-147.

All to be underlined.
Only our sperm can resolve this complicated situation in your country.

[Gold-Shekel]

Atheism has been the most persecuted ideology in the world. Diagoras of Melos had to flee Athens because he was an Atheist. On the contrary St. Paul was not only accepted as a Christian but also allowed to preach Christianity in Athens.

Atheism has been interrupted many, many times in history and Atheists had to live in hiding because of constant persecution. Instant gratification is the characteristic of those who dream of 72 virgins in heaven, don't you think?

Please, Judaism was always persecuted yet always survived. There were no Atheist nations worth talking about, everytime it is tried it fails.

[HERK]

The Arabs developed Algebra and Astronomy, developed Optics and a few other things...

...The Persians contributed a lot too, but not the Turks.

You know what? BULLSHIT.

[HERK]

There might have been sellouts in every nation, but in the case of the Albanians, the sellouts were the majority. Other nations tended to send the traitors into exile, like the Cretans sent the 1/4 of the Cretan Muslims into Syria and Turkey, but Albania kept all of the traitors except for those who joined the Turks in order to advance economically...

It is hard to debate with anyone from Balkans (including you), you have all settled your ideas and you truly think you are right at everything you say which doesn't leave room to debate anything, you are worse than ISIS when it comes to speech. Muh nation is , yours isn't :D

[Petros Houhoulis]

You can shit on his dick meanwhile he is pushing. But, anyway, this is your private life.

I have said many times that my ambition is to turn him into pigfood. Don't make up things in your crazy mind...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Really? Read this:


Two notable divisions may be made in reference to the population of Turkey ; the first according to race, the second according to religion. The races of com-paratively unmixed blood are the Arabs, the Armenians, the Albanians, and the Kurds. The most mixed race in the empire is probably the Turkish, using the word in its strict sense so as to exclude other Moslem subjects of Turkey like the Arabs, Albanians, and Pomaks.
It must be noted that while neither Anatolian Greek nor Hellenic is of pure descent, the people with whom they have intermingled respectively have been different. The Europeans have intermarried with Slavs, Albanians, Wallachs, and Franks ; the Asiatics with the earlier races of Asia-Minor and Syria. The Semitic races have left their influence. So also have the Armenians. The Galatians, inhabitants of what was called by ancient geographers Gallo-Grecia, on account of its conquest and settlement in the third century B.C. by the Gauls, found a population probably of Hittites, and both conqueror and conquered contributed to the formation of the existing Asiatic Greek. All round the coast there were and are Greek-speaking peoples. The Lazes of north- eastern Asia-Minor, most of whom are now Moslems, form one such people. The colonies at Trebizond, Samsoun, Amasia, Sinope, and elsewhere on the Black Sea, and even inland near Konia, remain Greek in religion, but are notoriously not of pure race. On the south coast of Asia-Minor from Adalia to Alexandretta there has been a large intermixture of Arab blood.

Turkey and its people
by Pears, Edwin, Sir, 1835-1919
Published [1911]

Of all these people, the only ones who can clearly be described as non-IndoEuropeans or non-Europeans are the Arabs, and none of them fled to Greece but rather to Syria.




We are thus speaking of the Albanians or Arnauts, or as they call themselves – and every people must decide for itself what it is called – Shypetars. They are the inhabitants of this land and have defended it courageously against all invaders. The Shypetars have inhabited this mountain region since ancient times and, more than once, have even populated the empty south, I mean Greece. They have not mixed much with the Greeks, but are so numerous there that we even find them in great numbers in Livadia and the Morea, that is to say in Attica and the Peloponnese, and should it be necessary, they could repopulate all of Greece. A bit of fresh blood would do the Turkified Greeks much good. Although they are Mohammedans, they are in constant conflict with the Turks, and they beat them more often than they are beaten. They pay tribute to the Porte but are paid far more for all the military service they provide. If they do not receive their wages, they will fight for anyone who will pay them. A year ago, our newspapers reported that they had been conquered and subjected, but this is not true.

Extract from: Gottlieb August Wimmer, Neuestes Gemälde der europäischen Türkei und Griechenlands (Vienna: Anton Doll, 1833), pp. 138-147.

The usual nonsense of 19th century authors none of whom have any idea what they were writing about. Nowadays we can safely assume that the Albanians came north of the Jirecek line, and most probably north of Albania altogether since they have lexical similarities with the Slovenians rather than the Serbs, and of course the Romanians, and of course the entire admixture of invaders in Greece during the last 2500 years is not more than 10%~15%


All to be underlined.
Only our sperm can resolve this complicated situation in your country.

Your sperm can only lower the Greek IQ:

https://jakubmarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/iq-europe.jpg

That's why somebody has to castrate you in order to save the world from future Labitches...

[Insuperable]

None of it would exist without to follow the Ancient Greek scholars, and failed the moment it stopped accepting their wisdom in favor of a strict interpretation of Islam.

That is true. From a modern perspective Shitslamic Golden Age is just an illusion and shows just how stupid subhuman pisslamist were. Shitslamic Golden Age started by pisslamists translating Greek, Indian and Persian ancient texts. In 500 years they did a jack shit when you look at it from a modern perspective, only some small advances made on ancient Greek knowledge.
Heliocentric theory and the calculation of the surface of the Earth, geometric models of planets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudoxus_of_Cnidus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callippus_of_Cyzicus
The Antikythera mechanism, a device for calculating the movements of planets, dates from about 80 BC, and was the first ancestor of the astronomical computer. It was discovered in an ancient shipwreck off the Greek island of Antikythera, between Kythera and Crete. The device became famous for its use of a differential gear, previously believed to have been invented in the 16th century, and the miniaturization and complexity of its parts, comparable to a clock made in the 18th century.
Or in short
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy

The above mentioned Eudoxus and the Archimedes anticipated modern calculus. It is that their methods of precursor calculus were transferred from Greece to the China, Middle East and India. Some advances were done over the course of centuries, but nowhere close to that of Newton and Leibniz who invented modern calculus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

Eudoxus theory of real numbers anticipated that of 18th century Dedekind.
Let us not forget Euclid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid

Greek technology:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_technology
Probably the first redorded early steam engine (by Hero) and possibility of steam cannon by Archimedes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_of_Alexandria

Some famous ancient Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipparchus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctesibius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthemius_of_Tralles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archytas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates_of_Chios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Perga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryson_of_Heraclea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysippus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocles_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinostratus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippasus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelaus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menaechmus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomedes_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pappus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus_(geometer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodorus_of_Cyrene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_of_the_Classics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_contributions_to_Islamic_world

The only reason why Shitslamic Golden Age existed is because Europe fell in the Dark Ages. It were actually Greeks who really started the scientific European revolution who brought to the Western Europe the accumulated knowledge of the ancient Greek world starting with the fall of Constantinople in 1453. In 500 years we have this (http://www.camdenreview.com/sites/all/files/nj_review/imagecache/main_img/southampton%20row.jpg).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_scholars_in_the_Renaissance

Muslims as stupid they are, are unable to look at the bigger picture.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Please, Judaism was always persecuted yet always survived.

...But Judaea was effectively abandoned by Jews after 70 A.D. and the actual practices of the Jews changed dramatically over the ages, something that people are discovering over time. It seems that the original Jews were the Samaritans and that there was a shift because during the Babylonian captivity the Babylonians conquered only mount Gezirim, but some Jews survived in Jerusalem which became the new center of Judaism! If you add the exodus, the Jewish people changed their headquarters and the core of their beliefs at least 3 times...




There were no Atheist nations worth talking about, everytime it is tried it fails.

Most of North Europe and even China are basically Atheist. Comfucianism does not have deities...

[The Destroyer]

That is true. From a modern perspective Shitslamic Golden Age is just an illusion and shows just how stupid subhuman pisslamist were. Shitslamic Golden Age started by pisslamists translating Greek, Indian and Persian ancient texts. In 500 years they did a jack shit when you look at it from a modern perspective, only some small advances made on ancient Greek knowledge.
Heliocentric theory and the calculation of the surface of the Earth, geometric models of planets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudoxus_of_Cnidus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callippus_of_Cyzicus
The Antikythera mechanism, a device for calculating the movements of planets, dates from about 80 BC, and was the first ancestor of the astronomical computer. It was discovered in an ancient shipwreck off the Greek island of Antikythera, between Kythera and Crete. The device became famous for its use of a differential gear, previously believed to have been invented in the 16th century, and the miniaturization and complexity of its parts, comparable to a clock made in the 18th century.
Or in short
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy

The above mentioned Eudoxus and the Archimedes anticipated modern calculus. It is that their methods of precursor calculus were transferred from Greece to the China, Middle East and India. Some advances were done over the course of centuries, but nowhere close to that of Newton and Leibniz who invented modern calculus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

Eudoxus theory of real numbers anticipated that of 18th century Dedekind.
Let us not forget Euclid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid

Greek technology:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_technology
Probably the first redorded early steam engine (by Hero) and possibility of steam cannon by Archimedes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_of_Alexandria

Some famous ancient Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipparchus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctesibius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthemius_of_Tralles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archytas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates_of_Chios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Perga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryson_of_Heraclea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysippus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocles_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinostratus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippasus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelaus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menaechmus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomedes_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pappus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus_(geometer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodorus_of_Cyrene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_of_the_Classics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_contributions_to_Islamic_world

The only reason why Shitslamic Golden Age existed is because Europe fell in the Dark Ages. It were actually Greeks who really started the scientific European revolution who brought to the Western Europe the accumulated knowledge of the ancient Greek world starting with the fall of Constantinople in 1453. In 500 years we have this (http://www.camdenreview.com/sites/all/files/nj_review/imagecache/main_img/southampton%20row.jpg).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_scholars_in_the_Renaissance

Muslims as stupid they are, are unable to look at the bigger picture.

Ustasha subhuman, if it weren't for the Muslims who conquered you and raped your mother, thus giving birth to you, you wouldn't even have a toilet (yes, toilets were brought to you by Turks). ;) For 1000 years, your people burned witches at the stakes, genocided any non-Catholic Christians (very similar to Sunni-Shia sectarianism today). For the next 500 years, your ancestors served Bosniak beys and begged them to let you work on their plantations. If it were a British or German speaking about "the achievemnts of mUh xtian yurop", they would even have some merit. A Catholic sheepherder with Turkish blood doesn't have much dignity, let alone merit.

[Petros Houhoulis]

You know what? BULLSHIT.

Why don't you read a little bit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra#Etymology


EtymologyThe word algebra comes from the Arabic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language) الجبر (al-jabr lit. "the reunion of broken parts") from the title of the book Ilm al-jabr wa'l-muḳābala (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compendious_Book_on_Calculation_by_Completion_ and_Balancing) by Persian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_people) mathematician and astronomer al-Khwarizmi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%E1%B8%A5ammad_ibn_M%C5%ABs%C4%81_al-Khw%C4%81rizm%C4%AB). The word entered the English language during the fifteenth century, from either Spanish, Italian, or Medieval Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Latin). It originally referred to the surgical procedure of setting broken or dislocated bones. The mathematical meaning was first recorded in the sixteenth century.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra#cite_note-5)

[Petros Houhoulis]

It is hard to debate with anyone from Balkans (including you), you have all settled your ideas and you truly think you are right at everything you say which doesn't leave room to debate anything, you are worse than ISIS when it comes to speech. Muh nation is , yours isn't :D

It took a lot of time to settle my ideas and I am still learning new things. It didn't dawn on my from heaven. If you want to be sure about something, make your own research, don't expect from others to inform you about everything...

[Petros Houhoulis]

That is true. From a modern perspective Shitslamic Golden Age is just an illusion and shows just how stupid subhuman pisslamist were. Shitslamic Golden Age started by pisslamists translating Greek, Indian and Persian ancient texts. In 500 years they did a jack shit when you look at it from a modern perspective, only some small advances made on ancient Greek knowledge.
Heliocentric theory and the calculation of the surface of the Earth, geometric models of planets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudoxus_of_Cnidus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callippus_of_Cyzicus
The Antikythera mechanism, a device for calculating the movements of planets, dates from about 80 BC, and was the first ancestor of the astronomical computer. It was discovered in an ancient shipwreck off the Greek island of Antikythera, between Kythera and Crete. The device became famous for its use of a differential gear, previously believed to have been invented in the 16th century, and the miniaturization and complexity of its parts, comparable to a clock made in the 18th century.
Or in short
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy

The above mentioned Eudoxus and the Archimedes anticipated modern calculus. It is that their methods of precursor calculus were transferred from Greece to the China, Middle East and India. Some advances were done over the course of centuries, but nowhere close to that of Newton and Leibniz who invented modern calculus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

Eudoxus theory of real numbers anticipated that of 18th century Dedekind.
Let us not forget Euclid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid

Greek technology:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_technology
Probably the first redorded early steam engine (by Hero) and possibility of steam cannon by Archimedes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_of_Alexandria

Some famous ancient Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipparchus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctesibius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthemius_of_Tralles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archytas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates_of_Chios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Perga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryson_of_Heraclea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysippus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocles_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinostratus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippasus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelaus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menaechmus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomedes_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pappus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus_(geometer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodorus_of_Cyrene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_of_the_Classics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_contributions_to_Islamic_world

The only reason why Shitslamic Golden Age existed is because Europe fell in the Dark Ages. It were actually Greeks who really started the scientific European revolution who brought to the Western Europe the accumulated knowledge of the ancient Greek world starting with the fall of Constantinople in 1453. In 500 years we have this (http://www.camdenreview.com/sites/all/files/nj_review/imagecache/main_img/southampton%20row.jpg).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_scholars_in_the_Renaissance

Muslims as stupid they are, are unable to look at the bigger picture.

Nevertheless, one could not have expected from Arabs - the Persians had science from before - to show so much interest in science and make even minimal progress. Do not forget that the original territory of the Arabs was the desert and they didn't even command agriculture by the time they created Islam, thus they had very limited resources in their disposal and it took them a lot of effort to adapt to civilization. On the contrary the Turks/Mongols who begun from a similar position (as they were pastoralists rather than farmers) managed to destroy many cultures based upon farming (because they only cared about their animals, not crops) and they never managed to adopt the progress of the people they conquered - although it has to be said that the Seljuks at least promoted Persian science and some of them even adopted Christianity at a later point...

[Insuperable]

Ustasha subhuman, if it weren't for the Muslims who conquered you and raped your mother, thus giving birth to you, you wouldn't even have a toilet (yes, toilets were brought to you by Turks). ;) For 1000 years, your people burned witches at the stakes, genocided any non-Catholic Christians (very similar to Sunni-Shia sectarianism today). For the next 500 years, your ancestors served Bosniak beys and begged them to let you work on their plantations. If it were a British or German speaking about "the achievemnts of mUh xtian yurop", they would even have some merit. A Catholic sheepherder with Turkish blood doesn't have much dignity, let alone merit.

Spineless (as were all your subhuman ancestors) subhumanoid monkey, the member of most stupid and the most subhuman nations of all European nations and beyond, you must understand that it is hard to communicate with a Bosniak monkey like you as well as with the rest of subhumanoid Bosniak monkeys on this forum. When I speak of Europe in this context dumb Mustafa subhumanoid mongrel I obviously speak of Western Europe. Btw, if you are implying we are backward (lulz at Bosniak saying this) obviously anyone serving spineless subhumans such as Bosniaks can't not to be backward.;) If anyone was serving anyone those could have only been spineless subhumans such as Bosniaks serving Turks, duh. Remember donkey subhumanoid mongrel, it was you who were under Croats and Serbs in the Yugoslavia because after Turks went away you just returned to you inherent spineless subhuman low IQ state. Next Srebrenica will be Bosnia dumb subhuman.

[Kamal900]

...But Judaea was effectively abandoned by Jews after 70 A.D. and the actual practices of the Jews changed dramatically over the ages, something that people are discovering over time. It seems that the original Jews were the Samaritans and that there was a shift because during the Babylonian captivity the Babylonians conquered only mount Gezirim, but some Jews survived in Jerusalem which became the new center of Judaism! If you add the exodus, the Jewish people changed their headquarters and the core of their beliefs at least 3 times...



Most of North Europe and even China are basically Atheist. Comfucianism does not have deities...

Not all Jews left from today's Palestine/Israel, and Jewish people were still a good portion of the population in that region till the 7th century AD. It's all due to genetics you can find in today's Palestinian Arabs like myself who cluster the closest to the Samartians, Iraqi Jews and other Mizrahi Jews in the mtDNA while we cluster with the Arabians(real Arabs) on the Y-DNA which tells us that the Arabs that have migrated in the 7th century were mostly males, and they intermarried with the local females which Islam permits it. Not to mentions on the fact that the Arab culture is a patriarchal culture where the child's ethnic identity takes it from the father rather than the mother. All Jewish groups of the world are all connected in their Y-DNA too.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Ustasha subhuman, if it weren't for the Muslims who conquered you and raped your mother, thus giving birth to you, you wouldn't even have a toilet (yes, toilets were brought to you by Turks).

Toilet?

http://www.historywiz.com/minoanplumbingandheating.html


The Minoans (http://www.historywiz.com/theminoans.htm) were the first civilization to use underground clay pipes for sanitation and water supply. The Romans would develop these sophisticated comforts - but not for 1500 years.

http://www.historywiz.com/images/greece/queensroom.jpg (http://www.historywiz.com/dolphinsanctuary.htm)
The Queen's Room at Knossos, also called the Queen's Bathroom



Knossos (http://www.historywiz.com/knossos.htm) had a well organized water system for bringing in clean water, taking out waste water and storm sewage canals for overflow ehen there was heavy rain. In addition to sophisticated water and sewer systems they devised elaborate heating systems.





http://www.historywiz.com/images/greece/minoanbathtub.jpg
restored bathroom in small room off the "Queen's Room'








http://www.historywiz.com/images/drainageagiatriada.jpg
Stone drainage channels from Agia Triada, a villa



At Knossos (http://www.historywiz.com/knossos.htm), the Minoans took advantage of the steep grade of the land to devise a drainage system with lavatories, sinks and manholes. Archaeologists have found pipe laid in depths from just below the surface in one area to almost 11 feet deep in others.
They constructed a main sewer of masonry, which linked four large stone shafts emanating from the upper stories of the palace. Evidently the shafts acted as ventilators and chutes for household refuse. The shafts and conduit were formed by cement-lined limestone flags, but earthenware or burnt clay pipes were used in the remainder of the system. These were laid out under passages, not under the living rooms.
The sewer system consisted of terra cotta pipes, from 4"-6" in diameter.



http://www.historywiz.com/images/greece/knossossewerpipe.jpg
clay sewer pipe from Knossos



The rain water from the roofs and the courts, and the overflows from the cisterns carried the water down into buried drains of pottery pipe. The pipes had perfect socket joints, so tapered that the narrow end of one pipe fixed tightly into the broad end of the next one. The tapering sections allowed a jetting action to prevent accumulation of sediment.
At Knossos we find the earliest known flushing toilet. The toilet was screened off by partitions and was flushed by rain water or by water held in cisterns from conduits built into the wall.
Not just palaces but ordinary homes were heated with sophisticated hypocaust systems, where heat was conducted under the floor, the earliest known to exist.
In the room dubbed the "queen's bathroom" decorated with wall frescoes, we find plaster stands which held ewers and washing basins, and a five-foot long tapered bathtub made of painted terra cotta and decorated with watery


http://www.historywiz.com/images/greece/ceramicwatermain.jpg
ceramic water pipe from Knossos


reeds. There was no obvious outlet but used water was removed and discarded into a hole in the floor which connected to the main drain which discarged into the river Kairatos. Some of the stone slabs of the floor at Knossos have been partially removed to reveal the extensive sewage canal system underneath the whole settlement.
Pipes with running water and toilets found on Santorini are the oldest ever discovered. The dual pipe system suggests hot and cold running water.


;) For 1000 years, your people burned witches at the stakes, genocided any non-Catholic Christians (very similar to Sunni-Shia sectarianism today). For the next 500 years, your ancestors served Bosniak beys and begged them to let you work on their plantations. If it were a British or German speaking about "the achievemnts of mUh xtian yurop", they would even have some merit. A Catholic sheepherder with Turkish blood doesn't have much dignity, let alone merit.

Too much bullcrap from a nation which is notorious for being even less advanced in science than the Turks...

[The Destroyer]

Spineless (as were all your subhuman ancestors) subhumanoid monkey, the member of most stupid and the most subhuman nations of all European nations and beyond, you must understand that it is hard to communicate with a Bosniak monkey like you as well as with the rest of subhumanoid Bosniak monkeys on this forum. When I speak of Europe in this context dumb Mustafa subhumanoid mongrel I obviously speak of Western Europe. Btw, if you are implying we are backward (lulz at Bosniak saying this) obviously anyone serving spineless subhumans such as Bosniaks can't not to be backward.;) If anyone was serving Turks those could have only been spineless subhumans such as Bosniaks, duh. Remember donkey subhumanoid mongrel, it was you who were under Croats and Serbs in the Yugoslavia because after Turks went away you just returned to you inherent spineless subhuman low IQ state. Next Srebrenica will be Bosnia dumb subhuman.

I know you are scared of the fact that you are genetically a Catholic Turk, my dear sheephearder from Posušje. Breath in deeply, and let that feeling sink in.

I know it also troubles you to know that your ancestors for 500 years served my ancestors as serfs and peasants working on our fields, and that you didn't have the right to speak until the Bey allows you. Breath in deeply, and let that sink in too.

You have to live in harmony with your past, my dear usrasha. Only so, you will achieve inner peace. :kiss2:

[The Destroyer]

Toilet?

http://www.historywiz.com/minoanplumbingandheating.html



Too much bullcrap from a nation which is notorious for being even less advanced in science than the Turks...

We're a small 2 million nation. We are not supposed to compete with Turks, Persians, Germans or British. It's like comparing Moldavians or Bulgarians to Americans or Russians.

[Insuperable]

I know you are scared of the fact that you are genetically a Catholic Turk, my dear sheephearder from Posušje. Breath in deeply, and let that feeling sink in.

Not a single drop of Turk in me subhuman monkey. Maybe you should do a test and search for your Turkish and perhaps Gypsy ancestors low IQ subhumanoid monkey.
https://s12.postimg.org/6tce8596l/Untitled.png

When giving their genealogy line Bosniaks on 23andme speak about Anatolian soldiers marrying Bosniak girls. The image above shows that.
https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057


I know it also troubles you to know that your ancestors for 500 years served my ancestors as serfs and peasants working on our fields, and that you didn't have the right to speak until the Bey allows you. Breath in deeply, and let that sink in too.

You have to live in harmony with your past, my dear usrasha. Only so, you will achieve inner peace. :kiss2:

Maybe from a perspective of spineless subhumans.

[Böri]

What's this sh!t ongoing with 'You are Turk, or 'no no you are the Turk, none of you is Turks you brownized Balkan Slavs. Also the north east Asian genes increase the IQ actually.

[The Destroyer]

Not a single drop of Turk in me subhuman monkey. Maybe you should do a test and search for your Turkish and perhaps Gypsy ancestors low IQ subhumanoid monkey.
https://s12.postimg.org/6tce8596l/Untitled.png

When giving their genealogy line Bosniaks on 23andme speak about Anatolian soldiers marrying Bosniak girls. The image above shows that.
https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057



Maybe from a perspective of spineless subhumans.

Pitiful sheepherder, do you not know of the "pravilo prve braćne noći?" Turks were forbidden to sleep with any Muslim girls, while xtian girls were free game for them. Now imagine, if this was done during one generation, how it would affect your genetics? Now imagine this for 5 centuries.

Also, who was spineless subhuman: a warrior race that fought from Vienna to Russia for 500 years, or a peasant race who worked on potato and tomato fields for 500 years?

[The Destroyer]

What's this sh!t ongoing with 'You are Turk, or 'no no you are the Turk, none of you is Turks you brownized Balkan Slavs. Also the north east Asian genes increase the IQ actually.

Balkan xtians were mass raped by Turks. Muslims didn't, because it was forbidden for any Muslim to have intercourse with a Muslim woman against her will.

Why do you think Greeks, Serbs, Romanians are so swarty today?

[Deymark]

Balkan xtians were mass raped by Turks. Muslims didn't, because it was forbidden for any Muslim to have intercourse with a Muslim woman against her will.

Why do you think Greeks, Serbs, Romanians are so swarty today?

I don't know about Greeks, but bosniaks are swartier than serbs and visibly swartier than romanians.

[Böri]

Balkan xtians were mass raped by Turks. Muslims didn't, because it was forbidden for any Muslim to have intercourse with a Muslim woman against her will.

Why do you think Greeks, Serbs, Romanians are so swarty today?

We never mass raped or even 'normal rape, anyone but for some reasons Bosniaks females find in Turks the alpha stronk man nowadays, the alphaness they cant find in their own males maybe?... Go insult Serbs or Croats the way you want but not involving us little piece of hurt convert harem eunuch.

[LoLeL]

The Arabs developed Algebra and Astronomy, developed Optics and a few other things...

...The Persians contributed a lot too, but not the Turks.

Not really => History of algebra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_algebra). Started by Babylonians and it existed in Egypt, Greece and India. As you see it's called Islamic Algebra not Arabic because Persian mathematicians (e.g. Khwarizmi and Khayyam) were the major contributors to Algebra field.

[The Destroyer]

We never mass raped or even 'normal rape, anyone but for some reasons Bosniaks females find in Turks the alpha stronk man nowadays, the alphaness they cant find in their own males maybe?... Go insult Serbs or Croats the way you want but not involving us little piece of hurt convert harem eunuch.

Hahahah you are pathetic. I don't even count how many Turkish girls I fucked during my exotic trips to Antalya and Alanya.

[Insuperable]

Pitiful sheepherder, do you not know of the "pravilo prve braćne noći?" Turks were forbidden to sleep with any Muslim girls, while xtian girls were free game for them. Now imagine, if this was done during one generation, how it would affect your genetics? Now imagine this for 5 centuries.

There was no such thing as Jus Primae Noctis. This is how:
https://s12.postimg.org/6tce8596l/Untitled.png


Also, who was spineless subhuman: a warrior race that fought from Vienna to Russia for 500 years, or a peasant race who worked on potato and tomato fields for 500 years?

Warrior race? There is no such thing as spineless warrior race. I sometimes don't know are you serious or not donkey.

[The Destroyer]

I don't know about Greeks, but bosniaks are swartier than serbs and visibly swartier than romanians.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aOLKFCqDMh0/T__9VubC9rI/AAAAAAAAAA4/5MAj7WqaKaQ/s1600/europe-hair0223--light-h.png

http://i.imgur.com/riJLc2O.png

https://media.giphy.com/media/d2lcHJTG5Tscg/giphy.gif

[The Destroyer]

There was no such thing as Jus Primae Noctis. This is how:
https://s12.postimg.org/6tce8596l/Untitled.png



Warrior race? There is no such thing as spineless warrior race. I sometimes don't know are you serious or not donkey.

My dear potato farmer, this conversation is over. Now listen to your Master, grab that shovel and keep digging. If you don't, your wife will soon serve as an incubator for Muslim children.

[Böri]

Hahahah you are pathetic. I don't even count how many Turkish girls I fucked during my exotic trips to Antalya and Alanya.

You are just a wanker. Yugoslav refugee descents are morally low class and who give themselves easier in Turkey. Go google Banu Alkan etc to see the level of your people in my country. Anyway İ dont want to see people using word Turk as insults when I open threads. Because of you and Albos thats often happent. We dont want much in common with Albos and Bosniaks and less as possible. Avoid.

[Insuperable]

My dear potato farmer, this conversation is over. Now listen to your Master, grab that shovel and keep digging. If you don't, your wife will soon serve as an incubator for Muslim children.

Spineless subhumanoid mongrel low IQ monkey, no, you should listen to me as your dumb people did that for the entire 20th century when you were changing ethnicities every 20 years.

[Deymark]

You dont know how to read a map, turk.You have avg 10% light eyes and maybe 25% light hair.Romanians have like 22% light eyes and around 35% light hair.



https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/maps/m10953_bk.png

https://media.giphy.com/media/d2lcHJTG5Tscg/giphy.gif

[The Destroyer]

You dont know how to read a map, turk.You have avg 10% light eyes and maybe 25% light hair.Romanians have like 22% light eyes and around 35% light hair.



https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/maps/m10953_bk.png

https://media.giphy.com/media/d2lcHJTG5Tscg/giphy.gif

New butthurt level: copies your gifs and uses them himself.

[Böri]

Btw I dont hate the Bosniaks as whole or so also not the Albos. And they are irl respectable people and many have high morality levels beside lower morality levels like Banu Alkan. But this is all nations. Since İ joined the forum and I read some of them I have the feeling they want Turks as their 'little darker brothers, who are supposedly stick to Europe so Turks are supposed to buy all BS from these people :) LOL We dont wanna be your little darker brothers man. Our brothers are Turkmens, Uzbeks and Tatars and not Balkanians. Respect for everybody.

[The Destroyer]

Spineless subhumanoid mongrel low IQ monkey, no, you should listen to me as your dumb people did that for the entire 20th century when you were changing ethnicities every 20 years.

You're wrong, Džafer Kulenović and similar traitors didn't speak in the name of Bosniaks, but in their own name. If Džafer declared as Croat, that counts only for himself, he didn't speak in the name of any other Bosniak.

[The Destroyer]

Btw I dont hate the Bosniaks as whole or so also not the Albos. And they are irl respectable people and many have high morality levels beside lower morality levels like Banu Alkan. But this is all nations. Since İ joined the forum and I read some of them I have the feeling they want Turks as their 'little darker brothers, who are supposedly stick to Europe so Turks are supposed to buy all BS from these people :) LOL We dont wanna be your little darker brothers man. Our brothers are Turkmens, Uzbeks and Tatars and not Balkanians. Respect for everybody.

I'm not claiming you as brothers (although I respect you too).

I'm just citing the well-known fact that even some Serb and Croat nationalist writers admitted, and that is that these people have a huge inferiority complex because of being ruled by Ottomans so long. That is why Serbian and Croatian sections in Stormfront (wanna-be Nazi forum) are the largest, they are trying hard to prove they are real white Europeans as they are ashamed of not having been culturally a part of Europe for 5 centuries.

[Petros Houhoulis]

We're a small 2 million nation. We are not supposed to compete with Turks, Persians, Germans or British. It's like comparing Moldavians or Bulgarians to Americans or Russians.

That was no defence. Instead of mentioning some Bosniak who contributed something - anything - to humanity, you just run with your tail around your legs...

[wvwvw]

Atheism has been the most persecuted ideology in the world. Diagoras of Melos had to flee Athens because he was an Atheist. On the contrary St. Paul was not only accepted as a Christian but also allowed to preach Christianity in Athens.

Atheism has been interrupted many, many times in history and Atheists had to live in hiding because of constant persecution. Instant gratification is the characteristic of those who dream of 72 virgins in heaven, don't you think?

You fool, Diogenes of Melos did not flee because he was an "atheist". The ancient polytheist religion of ancestor worship had NO dogma.

The Greeks were polytheists and worshiped city Gods and all had the same view of the after life as Socrates or any other thinker. Everyone was free to choose what to believe since there was NO religious dogma in Hellenism which is indicative of a highly advanced and civilised religion.

Everyone obtained their knowledge about the Gods form the state festivals and the state education system. All Greeks were taught to read an write, as shown by the ostraca found at Delphi and other places of worship and libraries were open to everyone. There was no such thing as theology in the Greek religion. The priesthoods duty was to perform rituals and nothing more. They did not philosophise on the nature of the Gods. Everyone was free to decide for themselves on their view of spiritual matters. No religious dogma existed like it does in Christianity, Judaism and Islam, thus the Greek religion was much more advanced.

The Greek religion was not one of superstition. From Josephus and Tacitus you will learn that the Greeks accrued the Jews of suppression meaning that the Greek religion did not suffer from it.

The Greeks did not worship idols. Images of the Gods were venerated as reminders of the Gods. They knew who the Gods really were and the images and statues showed what they looked like because the Gods were real people. The Gods were always who they were the Greeks own ancestors. The Hellenic religion has no theology period.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Not really => History of algebra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_algebra). Started by Babylonians and it existed in Egypt, Greece and India. As you see it's called Islamic Algebra not Arabic because Persian mathematicians (e.g. Khwarizmi and Khayyam) were the major contributors to Algebra field.

I know the origins, but the Arabs worked quite a lot upon it, together with the Persians more than everybody before them, and I cannot weight who was more important, Arabs or Persians. I did mention the Persians, but the notion that the man most responsible for the name algebra was actually a Persian took me by surprise...

[Petros Houhoulis]

What's this sh!t ongoing with 'You are Turk, or 'no no you are the Turk, none of you is Turks you brownized Balkan Slavs. Also the north east Asian genes increase the IQ actually.

It turns out that even the wolves can at least suspect of how offensive it is for someone to be considered a canine by others...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Balkan xtians were mass raped by Turks. Muslims didn't, because it was forbidden for any Muslim to have intercourse with a Muslim woman against her will.

Why do you think Greeks, Serbs, Romanians are so swarty today?

You have a lot of imagination, for sure, because somebody already proved that you are swarthier than the Serb Bosniaks!!!

[Petros Houhoulis]

Btw I dont hate the Bosniaks as whole or so also not the Albos. And they are irl respectable people and many have high morality levels beside lower morality levels like Banu Alkan. But this is all nations. Since İ joined the forum and I read some of them I have the feeling they want Turks as their 'little darker brothers, who are supposedly stick to Europe so Turks are supposed to buy all BS from these people :) LOL We dont wanna be your little darker brothers man. Our brothers are Turkmens, Uzbeks and Tatars and not Balkanians. Respect for everybody.

Yet somehow even the Turkmens, Uzbeks and Tatars are shitting on you...