Classify the cast of Chilean film "Neruda", and where can they pass?

[Tooting Carmen]

Yesterday I watched this film in a local cinema, which was about the famous Chilean poet and a policeman who was chasing him. It was pretty good. All the actors are Chilean unless said otherwise.

Luis Gnecco
http://cosas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Luis_Gnecco.jpg

Gael Garcia Bernal (Mexican)
http://www.smallstepsproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Gael-Garcia-Berna-Headshot.jpg

Alfredo Castro
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Alfredo+Castro+E+Stato+Il+Figlio+Premiere+6qbSgrFK BPul.jpg

Mercedes Moran (Argentine)
http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/mercedes_moran/fotos/22162/mercedes_moran.jpg

Diego Munoz
http://tecache.cl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/diego-mu%C3%B1oz.jpg

Pablo Derqui
http://estaticos.elperiodico.com/resources/jpg/2/8/nit-dia-1455816004282.jpg

Michael Silva
http://www.fmdos.cl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Michael-Silva-copia.png

Jaime Vadell
http://mundografico.emol.cl/2009/06/22/10749_17029_46600128.jpg

Marcelo Alonso
http://www.fmdos.cl/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Marcelo-Alonso.jpg

Francisco Reyes
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Bm7xaJ9vzKQ/UD2pDem1WuI/AAAAAAAAMUU/U3O7arxk0wg/s1600/DSC_1969.jpg

Alejandro Goic
http://img.lasegunda.com/Fotos/2014/05/20/file_20140520170944.jpg

Emilio Gutierrez Caba
http://ultimahora.es/sfAttachPlugin/getCachedContent/id/229009

[Shah-Jehan]

Spain, some look surprisingly British

[Squall Leonhart]

They pass all over Western Europe and many in parts of Central and Southeastern Europe.

[Tooting Carmen]

Spain, some look surprisingly British

Chile is an odd case. The Chilean working-classes definitely look darker and more Mestizo than the Argentine and Uruguayan working-classes, but their middle and upper-classes look at least as White if not even a little more so than in the other two. (British and German mass immigration seemed to have a big impact on Chile).

[Sebastianus Rex]

Chile is an odd case. The Chilean working-classes definitely look darker and more Mestizo than the Argentine and Uruguayan working-classes, but their middle and upper-classes look at least as White if not even a little more so than in the other two. (British and German mass immigration seemed to have a big impact on Chile).

No way, Uruguay and Argentina are whiter (in the sense they have more people of purely european ancestry) than Chile all over.

[Tooting Carmen]

No way, Uruguay and Argentina are whiter (in the sense they have more people of purely european ancestry) than Chile all over.

Overall yes. However, my point is that the disparity in phenotypes between the middle and working classes seems a lot sharper in Chile than in Argentina and Uruguay (and many other Latin American countries too, where there are plenty of dark Mestizos among the middle classes, such as Mexico and Colombia).

[Sebastianus Rex]

Overall yes. However, my point is that the disparity in phenotypes between the middle and working classes seems a lot sharper in Chile than in Argentina and Uruguay (and many other Latin American countries too, where there are plenty of dark Mestizos among the middle classes, such as Mexico and Colombia).

Maybe because there's no shortage of european descend people belonging to the working classes in Argentina and Uruguay since the percentage there is much higher than in Chile.
But I'm talking by personal experience, I've seen/met a decent number of middle class Chileans and they are overall more mixed/mestizo than Argentinians or Uruguayans of the same social class.

BTW the sharper racial/social contrasts i've seen anywhere was in Brazil.

[alnortedelsur]

Chile is an odd case. The Chilean working-classes definitely look darker and more Mestizo than the Argentine and Uruguayan working-classes, but their middle and upper-classes look at least as White if not even a little more so than in the other two. (British and German mass immigration seemed to have a big impact on Chile).

British and German immigration in Chile are overestimated up to the point to make some people believe that most of the Euro contribution in Chile is British/German, lol.

Chile received some British and German immigration, but it didn't surpassed the few tens of thousands of people, most of whom were absorbed into the mostly harnizo/castizo (with a mostly Spanish background on their Euro side) Chilean population. The main European contribution in Chile is Spanish, if we add up the colonial Euro input, that was mostly Spanish, plus the fact that Chile also received more Spanish immigration after its independence (not only British and German).

Most of those actors and actresses have Spanish last names and would perfectly pass as Spanish.

[Tooting Carmen]

British and German immigration in Chile are overestimated up to the point to make some people believe that most of the Euro contribution in Chile is British/German, lol.

Chile received some British and German immigration, but it didn't surpassed the few tens of thousands of people, most of whom were absorbed into the mostly harnizo/castizo (with a mostly Spanish background on their Euro side) Chilean population. The main European contribution in Chile is Spanish, if we add up the colonial Euro input, that was mostly Spanish, plus the fact that Chile also received more Spanish immigration after its independence (not only British and German).

Most of those actors and actresses have Spanish last names and would perfectly pass as Spanish.

All of that is true. However, even if I did not properly express it, what I meant was that the proportion of its White European population that is of British and German heritage is higher in Chile than in Argentina and Uruguay, which are overwhelmingly Spanish and Italian in heritage.

[alnortedelsur]

All of that is true. However, even if I did not properly express it, what I meant was that the proportion of its White European population that is of British and German heritage is higher in Chile than in Argentina and Uruguay, which are overwhelmingly Spanish and Italian in heritage.

I agree with that.

[Argentano]

No way, Uruguay and Argentina are whiter (in the sense they have more people of purely european ancestry) than Chile all over.


Chile is an odd case. The Chilean working-classes definitely look darker and more Mestizo than the Argentine and Uruguayan working-classes, but their middle and upper-classes look at least as White if not even a little more so than in the other two. (British and German mass immigration seemed to have a big impact on Chile).

There is an explanation for this. The other day i was making a chart with european born in the period 1910-1920 (peak of euro emigration) in some new world nations (Census info).

Something interesting i noticed is that while Chile recieved just a few euro immigrants, around 28%of them were german/english/austrian/swiss. In Argentina or Uruguay something very different happens with millons of european immigrants but just 5% of the immigrants are german/english/austrian/swiss.

Thats why within Chilean whites there are more northern euros BUT those whites are just a small minority. In Argentina or Uruguay there are much more whites but they are rarely northern euro.

Census foreign born per country


https://s26.postimg.org/5rqjvrcqf/Screenshot_453_-_Copy.png

[Costas]

There is an explanation for this. The other day i was making a chart with european born in the period 1910-1920 (peak of euro emigration) in some new world nations (Census info).

Something interesting i noticed is that while Chile recieved just a few euro immigrants, around 28%of them were german/english/austrian/swiss. In Argentina or Uruguay something very different happens with millons of european immigrants but just 5% of the immigrants are german/english/austrian/swiss.

Thats why within Chilean whites there are more northern euros BUT those whites are just a small minority. In Argentina or Uruguay there are much more whites but they are rarely northern euro.

Census foreign born per country


https://s26.postimg.org/5rqjvrcqf/Screenshot_453_-_Copy.png

Yeah, this.

Genetically, Chileans seem to be rather homogenous.

Phenotypically that's not the case because among White Chileans there's a higher percentage of people who've got British and German ancestry (I myself am 1/8 Northern Euro),

So you've got the working class where (according to an estimation I made using a big study) around 60% of people are Mestizo, 36% Harnizo and 4% White/Castizo, and then the middle class where only 30% are balanced Mestizos and the upper-middle class where under 20% are Mestizos and over 80% are Whites/Castizos/Harnizos. A lot of those Whites are descendants of Northern Europeans and that's why the contrast might seem higher between White Chileans and the rest of the population than among White Argentinians/Uruguayans and the rest of their population. Not only are their masses lighter but also the Northern European contribution to their White population is lower than in Chile, and most Iberians/Italians are dark haired dark eyed, as are most Mestizos themselves.

So yeah I agree with Tooting Carmen and Argentano's analysis.

Edit: one thing to note –a lot of Brits arrived in Chile right after the independence, when there were no reliable censuses, and so that's why (in my opinion) Chile seems to have a lot of less Brits than Argentina in 1920, even though that might not be the case overall. Same with Germany, I think the Chilean government brought German settlers in 1848. For example, in the Llanquihue province in 1865, around 3% of the population was German. (http://www.ine.cl/canales/usuarios/cedoc_online/censos/pdf/censo_1865.pdf) In Valdivia it was even higher, at 3.3%, and that doesn't include people from Prussia or Hanover (I don't know why).

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah, this.

Genetically, Chileans seem to be rather homogenous.

Phenotypically that's not the case because among White Chileans there's a higher percentage of people who've got British and German ancestry (I myself am 1/8 Northern Euro),

So you've got the working class where (according to an estimation I made using a big study) around 60% of people are Mestizo, 36% Harnizo and 4% White/Castizo, and then the middle class where only 30% are balanced Mestizos and the upper-middle class where under 20% are Mestizos and over 80% are Whites/Castizos/Harnizos. A lot of those Whites are descendants of Northern Europeans and that's why the contrast might seem higher between White Chileans and the rest of the population than among White Argentinians/Uruguayans and the rest of their population. Not only are their masses lighter but also the Northern European contribution to their White population is lower than in Chile, and most Iberians/Italians are dark haired dark eyed, as are most Mestizos themselves.

So yeah I agree with Tooting Carmen and Argentano's analysis.

The funny thing is that, even though Chile in many ways is one of the more 'advanced' countries in Latin America, I would argue it is a more stratified country than Colombia. In the latter, there are plenty of dark Mestizos and even in some cities (e.g. Cartagena and Barranquilla) Blacks and Mulattoes among the middle-classes, while I've even met peasants in remote parts of Cundinamarca and Boyaca with blue eyes. In contrast, my experience of Chile is that it really does fulfill the Latin American stereotype of a very dark working-class and a very white middle-class.

[Costas]

The funny thing is that, even though Chile in many ways is one of the more 'advanced' countries in Latin America, I would argue it is a more stratified country than Colombia. In the latter, there are plenty of dark Mestizos and even in some cities (e.g. Cartagena and Barranquilla) Blacks and Mulattoes among the middle-classes, while I've even met peasants in remote parts of Cundinamarca and Boyaca with blue eyes. In contrast, my experience of Chile is that it really does fulfill the Latin American stereotype of a very dark working-class and a very white middle-class.

Yeah it's highly unequal and stratified, that's absolutely true.

However, I don't agree that it's "one of the more advanced", I'd say it is the most advanced, having been to Brazil/Argentina/Peru/Bolivia/Ecuador, in terms of the economy and human development.

Funny thing is most Chileans going to Europe are middle and upper-middle class, and so me and my friends were actually talking last night about how when you go to Europe people will be surprised if you say you're Chilean and don't have dark skin, because the image everyone's got of Chileans is basically Arturo Vidal and Alexis Sánchez haha.

This group of friends went to Europe last year and you won't believe how many times people thought they were joking when they said they were Chilean. They even had to show their ID to prove it:

https://scontent.fscl10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14199600_10153916821836984_4069203490444838368_n.j pg?oh=eb35d59b73510e25e16926dd7c116e7c&oe=59576050

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah it's highly unequal and stratified, that's absolutely true.

However, I don't agree that it's "one of the more advanced", I'd say it is the most advanced, having been to Brazil/Argentina/Peru/Bolivia/Ecuador, in terms of the economy and human development.

Funny thing is most Chileans going to Europe are middle and upper-middle class, and so me and my friends were actually talking last night about how when you go to Europe people will be surprised if you say you're Chilean and don't have dark skin, because the image everyone's got of Chileans is basically Arturo Vidal and Alexis Sánchez haha.

This group of friends went to Europe last year and you won't believe how many times people thought they were joking when they said they were Chilean. They even had to show their ID to prove it:

https://scontent.fscl10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14199600_10153916821836984_4069203490444838368_n.j pg?oh=eb35d59b73510e25e16926dd7c116e7c&oe=59576050

Yeah that's my point. In Colombia, Venezuela, Mexico and many other countries, the race-class link is more clinal and gradual, whereas in Chile there seems to be a somewhat sharper change.

[Costas]

Yeah that's my point. In Colombia, Venezuela, Mexico and many other countries, the race-class link is more clinal and gradual, whereas in Chile there seems to be a somewhat sharper change.

Chile is a very classist country and classism in Latin America always has a hidden racist hint.

[Tooting Carmen]

classism in Latin America always has a hidden racist hint.

Up to a point, but I think people who are seen to have money and education will generally be treated well, regardless of whether they look like Brad Pitt or Mike Tyson. Here is Gimnasio Moderno, an expensive private school in Bogota. How'd you describe the phenotypes there?
http://www.gimnasiomoderno.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Carrera-Web-1-446x200.jpghttp://losmejorescolegios.com/images/colegios/gimnasio-moderno/gimnasio-moderno-bogota-7a.jpghttp://www.gimnasiomoderno.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/PH1_0690.jpghttps://franciscovelasco2011.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/francisco-velasco-gimnasio-moderno-bogotc3a1-colombia-40-ac3b1os-de-egresados.jpghttp://gimnasiomoderno.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/foto_142.jpghttp://gimnasiomoderno.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1Comunion2012-02.pnghttp://www.gimnasiomoderno.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/semestralizacion1.pnghttp://static.iris.net.co/jetset/upload/images//2014/3/19/102538_114853_1.jpghttp://static.iris.net.co/jetset/upload/images//2014/3/19/102537_114853_1.jpghttp://static.iris.net.co/jetset/upload/images//2014/3/19/102489_92710_1.jpghttp://gimnasiomoderno.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/foto_610.jpg

[Costas]

Up to a point, but I think people who are seen to have money and education will generally be treated well, regardless of whether they look like Brad Pitt or Mike Tyson. Here is Gimnasio Moderno, an expensive private school in Bogota. How'd you describe the phenotypes there?
http://www.gimnasiomoderno.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Carrera-Web-1-446x200.jpghttp://losmejorescolegios.com/images/colegios/gimnasio-moderno/gimnasio-moderno-bogota-7a.jpghttp://www.gimnasiomoderno.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/PH1_0690.jpghttps://franciscovelasco2011.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/francisco-velasco-gimnasio-moderno-bogotc3a1-colombia-40-ac3b1os-de-egresados.jpghttp://gimnasiomoderno.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/foto_142.jpghttp://gimnasiomoderno.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1Comunion2012-02.pnghttp://www.gimnasiomoderno.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/semestralizacion1.pnghttp://static.iris.net.co/jetset/upload/images//2014/3/19/102538_114853_1.jpghttp://static.iris.net.co/jetset/upload/images//2014/3/19/102537_114853_1.jpghttp://static.iris.net.co/jetset/upload/images//2014/3/19/102489_92710_1.jpghttp://gimnasiomoderno.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/foto_610.jpg

A lot more diverse than an expensive private school in Santiago for sure, if that's your point haha.

[Tooting Carmen]

A lot more diverse than an expensive private school in Santiago for sure, if that's your point haha.

Yeah. Anyway, are the actors' phenotypes especially typical for middle-class Chileans then?

[Costas]

Yeah. Anyway, are the actors' phenotypes especially typical for middle-class Chileans then?

Yes they are in my opinion. Most famous actors are of middle class background (Don't know why).

If you go to a local theatre though most actors will probably have a working class background.

[Carlito's Way]

Chile is an odd case. The Chilean working-classes definitely look darker and more Mestizo than the Argentine and Uruguayan working-classes, but their middle and upper-classes look at least as White if not even a little more so than in the other two. (British and German mass immigration seemed to have a big impact on Chile).

yeah i have notice that as well, I remember looking at beach videos of Chile (forgot what part), and the females looked pretty darn white, central/northern euro, i was surprise seeing it
i was searching for white latin american girls because on some ABF thread, we were discussing white girl bodies
so i looked for white girls from Mexico, Chile and such

white girls in Mexico looked more southern euro, but there was of course a whole lot of variety
the chilean girls were def lighter in hair color and eyes

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

yeah i have notice that as well, I remember looking at beach videos of Chile (forgot what part), and the females looked pretty darn white, central/northern euro, i was surprise seeing it
i was searching for white latin american girls because on some ABF thread, we were discussing white girl bodies
so i looked for white girls from Mexico, Chile and such

white girls in Mexico looked more southern euro, but there was of course a whole lot of variety
the chilean girls were def lighter in hair color and eyes

Last year in airport I came across a white Chilean family and they look very white, more central/euro look, with lighter hair and eyes, and very fair skinned like typical white Americans. The white or pred. Euro from mexico look more southern euro, mainly Iberian or French.

[Costas]

Here are students of expensive private schools from Santiago.

I do notice there's more light haired people than among the students from the expensive school in Bogotá.

http://imgur.com/m2erAbQ.png

http://imgur.com/zJd4WiH.png

http://imgur.com/9FAuU4d.png

http://imgur.com/kpIqW8H.png

http://imgur.com/M0LL0st.png

[Tooting Carmen]

That Santiago school looks like somewhere in Central Europe with a few Mestizos thrown in!

[The Blade]

Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, UK and Greece are all fits to one or another extent.

[Costas]

That Santiago school looks like somewhere in Central Europe with a few Mestizos thrown in!

Funny thing is those are all different schools.

Colegio Everest, Santiago College, Colegio Craighouse etc. haha you can look them up and see they're all in the same area.

[Newsboy]

That Santiago school looks like somewhere in Central Europe with a few Mestizos thrown in!

I mostly agree. I'd add South Euros thrown in as well.

And on topic, the cast mostly fits in South Europe with Alfredo Castro and Emilio Gutierrez passable in France and Germany.

[Odin]

Mainly Atlanto/Gracile-Meds and few Baskids. Pass in Iberia.