Classify Asian-looking Romanian girl

[used2bwhite]

Very interesting phenotype for someone of European descent; what do you guys think?


http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsai.png (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsai)

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsaj.png (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsaj)

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsak.png (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsak)

[Proto-Shaman]

Tungid. result of Asian hordes.

[Wrong]

Cant be real. Looks part-Vietnamese ffs.

[ariel]

Cant be real. Looks part-Vietnamese ffs.

Maybe romanian tatar?

[Squall Leonhart]

Doesn't look East Asian IMO. All these pseudo-East Asian looking Europeans actually don't look like so.

Not good at this type of stuff, but Gorid + Pontid + Alpine/CM

[Ülev]

of Pechenegs ancestry :)

[RN97]

Tungid. result of Asian hordes.

not even close....


Pontic-Turanid. I also found one a while ago....
http://i.imgur.com/7qo19LK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KdhY5CO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gYHxhnE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wVx58JC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4gycOhR.jpg

How do you know she's fully Romanian though?? I mean I guess it would be possible, such types are supposed to exist there.

[used2bwhite]

Doesn't look East Asian IMO. All these pseudo-East Asian looking Europeans actually don't look like so.

Not good at this type of stuff, but Gorid + Pontid + Alpine/CM

Idk, her brother looks even more off than her. Their parents look normal, though, that's what's baffling me.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsbf.jpg (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsbf)

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsbg.jpg (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsbg)

[Wrong]

Some Romanians get quite high East Eurasian admix so it may not be too far-fetched to believe in all this.

[Dick]

They must be adopted.

[used2bwhite]

not even close....


Pontic-Turanid. I also found one a while ago....
http://i.imgur.com/7qo19LK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KdhY5CO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gYHxhnE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wVx58JC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4gycOhR.jpg

How do you know she's fully Romanian though?? I mean I guess it would be possible, such types are supposed to exist there.

She's fully Romanian. Friends with someone I know.

[used2bwhite]

Some Romanians get quite high East Eurasian admix so it may not be too far-fetched to believe in all this.

Romanians never get more than 2% East Asian from all the results I've seen, and anyway that'd be way too insignificant to have a saying in their appearance. Do you have an example at hand?

[Wrong]

Romanians never get more than 2% East Asian from all the results I've seen, and anyway that'd be way too insignificant to have a saying in their appearance. Do you have an example at hand?
Gedmatch can show higher I am sure, since it goes way back. I am refering to all the Oriental components: Not just East Asian, but Siberian, South East Asian etc also.

[Squall Leonhart]

I have seen Spanish and French with pseudo-Mongoloid looks.

[Zephyrus]

Very interesting phenotype for someone of European descent; what do you guys think?


http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsai.png (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsai)

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsaj.png (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsaj)



http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsak.png (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsak)

Wie bitte?

:confused:

[Seya]

there are such phenotypes here..in my region is not even rare

[Squall Leonhart]

there are such phenotypes here..in my region is not even rare

Yeah and I don't think it has to do with East Eurasian admix since such phenotypes can occur in even Westernmost Europe.

[Grab the Gauge]

she looks more Negroid than Mongoloid.

[Wrong]

Yeah and I don't think it has to do with East Eurasian admix since such phenotypes can occur in even Westernmost Europe.
Look man, check gedmatch results. It's a gradual line from east to west, I've seen this 1000 times already, can't be arsed to explain again.

[Seya]

Yeah and I don't think it has to do with East Eurasian admix since such phenotypes can occur in even Westernmost Europe.

yeah..well..i'm not sure..i haven't seen anyone like that in the west too

[Zephyrus]

I have seen Spanish and French with pseudo-Mongoloid looks.I've seen full-blown Bavarians with pseudo-Mongoloid looks.
The girl in the picture is not one of them.

[used2bwhite]

there are such phenotypes here..in my region is not even rare

People like that always make me curious about their ancestry :eek:
So, I guess you don't even bat an eyelash when you see this, then? :lol:

[Wrong]

I've seen full-blown Bavarians with pseudo-Mongoloid looks.
The girl in the picture is not one of them.You also have that psuedo-Mongoloid look, or maybe even influenced by the DNA.

[citroen2cv]

Cuman :lol:

[Seya]

People like that always make me curious about their ancestry :eek:
So, I guess you don't even bat an eyelash when you see this, then? :lol:

hmmm...where i'm living it's not weird no

i could post pics of people with similar phenotype but i don't have their permission. if u want i can post but i'll delete them after

[RN97]

People like that always make me curious about their ancestry :eek:
So, I guess you don't even bat an eyelash when you see this, then? :lol:

On Gedmatch Eurogenes k13 Romanians score 1,7 east asian+ siberian+ amerindian. West Germans who weirdly scores the most out of all German groups score 1,13.
Here is a Frenchman who looks asiatic to me, but coon claimed he was mostly alpine
http://i.imgur.com/aU8gaIM.png

I don't think that there are any genetic basis for such phenotypes, at least they'd be rare. IDK if Eurogenes k13 is a good calc. to calculate such admixture or what calculator does it best, but I don't think there are any genetic basis for this. Swedes score 1,89 and north Swedes score 4,01. It doesn't mean that rare asiatic looking types won't occur, but everyone east of Austria has such mong-looking types IMO.

[Zephyrus]

You also have that psuedo-Mongoloid look, or maybe even influenced by the DNA.???

Me???

[Wrong]

???

Me???Yeah, Björk lookalike. xD

[Zephyrus]

Yeah, Björk lookalike. xD
But, I'm not...

:(

[used2bwhite]

hmmm...where i'm living it's not weird no

i could post pics of people with similar phenotype but i don't have their permission. if u want i can post but i'll delete them after

Thank you. Better send them via pm then, if you please.

[Wrong]

used2bwhite why is all this so fascinating to you?

[Dick]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/evrVQDxPaww/maxresdefault.jpg

[Seya]

Thank you. Better send them via pm then, if you please.

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[used2bwhite]

On Gedmatch Eurogenes k13 Romanians score 1,7 east asian+ siberian+ amerindian. West Germans who weirdly scores the most out of all German groups score 1,13.
Here is a Frenchman who looks asiatic to me, but coon claimed he was mostly alpine
http://i.imgur.com/aU8gaIM.png

I don't think that there are any genetic basis for such phenotypes, at least they'd be rare. IDK if Eurogenes k13 is a good calc. to calculate such admixture or what calculator does it best, but I don't think there are any genetic basis for this. Swedes score 1,89 and north Swedes score 4,01. It doesn't mean that rare asiatic looking types won't occur, but everyone east of Austria has such mong-looking types IMO.

Hmm, he does look faux Asian but then, again, his look could also be influenced by his eyelids drooping with age and the overall changes in skin condition. I've seen a few French people with pseudo-Asian traits but nothing like the girl I posted.

[Proto-Shaman]

They must be adopted.
rezessive inheritance.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Here is a Frenchman who looks asiatic to me, but coon claimed he was mostly alpine
http://i.imgur.com/aU8gaIM.png


what makes you think that he looks asiatic?

[Ülev]

rezessive inheritance.

simple, a telegony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegony_(pregnancy)

[War Chef]

http://i.imgur.com/4JB3ltr.png

[Wrong]

http://i.imgur.com/4JB3ltr.pnghttps://i.imgflip.com/1mvtm4.jpg

[used2bwhite]

[/QUOTE]

The blonde hair makes them look even more off. Funny, you remind me of another Romanian girl I know, actually :lol: Also, Léa Seydoux in "La belle personne".

[used2bwhite]

used2bwhite why is all this so fascinating to you?

To you it's not?

[RN97]

ok..i'll post here for a wile :P
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[IMG]
even i have a similar vibe...but less "dramatic" :)))
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Only the singer looks asiatic, you and all other you posted looks not so asiatic
The first one looks east baltic which is exotic in southeastern Romania i'd say, she looks more like a Russian or something, but not really so asiatic. The 2nd one (I assume you mean the girl) looks alpine to me and I already classified you, you don't have a look close to as asiatic as girl in OP. My mom was classified as neo-danubian once and it's not uncommon for people east of Austria, even in Germany to look a bit asiatic, but not as much as the girl in OP.

[Lek]

not even close....


Pontic-Turanid. I also found one a while ago....
http://i.imgur.com/7qo19LK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KdhY5CO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gYHxhnE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wVx58JC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4gycOhR.jpg

How do you know she's fully Romanian though?? I mean I guess it would be possible, such types are supposed to exist there.

Doesn't look that Asian

[Proto-Shaman]

there are such phenotypes here..in my region is not even rare
You are of noble ancestry: Yamna proto-Turkic Kurgan women mtDNA T2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T_(mtDNA)#Archaeology


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lch08JFdAH4

[RN97]

Hmm, he does look faux Asian but then, again, his look could also be influenced by his eyelids drooping with age and the overall changes in skin condition. I've seen a few French people with pseudo-Asian traits but nothing like the girl I posted.

I wanted to show a example from a country untouched by asiatic blood, but here are extreme ones.
http://i.imgur.com/Lr6tu4l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cuBFpTe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9lzKaRM.jpg

Again, central Europe starts at Germany and everything east of that and Austria is eastern Europe. Scandinavia is a thing of it's own, but genetically Swedes are "Central north Europeans" and Norwegians are more western, yet sometimes have mixed with lapps, so these mongoloid looks are nothing limited to only Romania.

[Seya]

Only the singer looks asiatic, you and all other you posted looks not so asiatic
The first one looks east baltic which is exotic in southeastern Romania i'd say, she looks more like a Russian or something, but not really so asiatic. The 2nd one (I assume you mean the girl) looks alpine to me and I already classified you, you don't have a look close to as asiatic as girl in OP. My mom was classified as neo-danubian once and it's not uncommon for people east of Austria, even in Germany to look a bit asiatic, but not as much as the girl in OP.

the second girl look super uzbek. how much asian do u want? chinese? :))) u wont find chinese looking romanians that's for sure :P

[Proto-Shaman]

simple, a telegony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegony_(pregnancy)

both theories are possible.

[Wrong]

There were some Hunics in Sweden-Norway and SE France:

https://i1.wp.com/jerker.olofpark.com/HaplogroupQ.gif


N is Finnic/Siberian, as high in Turkey(0.5-1%) as in Romania:

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-N.gif

[RN97]

There was some Huns in Sweden-Norway and SE France:

https://i1.wp.com/jerker.olofpark.com/HaplogroupQ.gif


N is Finnic/Siberian, as high in Turkey(0.5-1%) as in Romania:

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-N.gif

Wow, I didn't know that asiatic tribes had any genetic impact in France. Is not the Q in Scandinavia from the lapps??

[used2bwhite]

There were some Huns in Sweden-Norway and SE France:

https://i1.wp.com/jerker.olofpark.com/HaplogroupQ.gif


N is Finnic/Siberian, as high in Turkey(0.5-1%) as in Romania:

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-N.gif

Sorry, I can't stop laughing at your signature. You were saying? :lol:

[Wrong]

Wow, I didn't know that asiatic tribes had any genetic impact in France. Is not the Q in Scandinavia from the lapps??
Probably originated somewhere in North Eurasia, since it was full in the Native Americans.

Also look at Iceland

Totally Björk :D

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/sites/default/files/1509/delorean-15-09-bjork.jpg

[Wrong]

Sorry, I can't stop laughing at your signature. You were saying? :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxSAkvxtxI

[War Chef]

https://i.imgflip.com/1mvtm4.jpg

Hunno-Bulgars* Correction

Avars weren't related to Huns. The Bulgars were the direct continuation of Huns. Huns chapter 2 you can say....


The oldest brother Ellac died in 454 AD, at the Battle of Nedao (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nedao). Jordanes recorded "When Ellac was slain, his remaining brothers were put to fight near the shore of the Sea of Pontus where we have said the Goths settled ... dwelling again in their ancient abodes".[5] Jordanes recounts c. 454-455:

"Hernac, the younger son of Attila, with his followers, chose a home in the most distant part of Scythia Minor. Emnetzur[nb 1] and Ultzindur[nb 2] kinsmen of his, seized by force Oescus and Vtus and Almus in Dacia on the bank of the Danube, and many of the Huns, then swarming everywhere, betook themselves into Romania; descendants of them are to this day called Sacromontisi and Fossatisii"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernak

[Dick]

Also look at Iceland




Most mitochondrial DNA lineages found today in contemporary Icelanders can be traced to the native populations in Ireland and Scotland and Scandinavia. Another study[25] shows that a tiny proportion of samples of contemporary Icelanders carry a more distant lineage, which belongs to the haplogroup C1, which can possibly be traced to the settlement of the Americas around 14,000 years ago. The same study used preliminary genealogical analyses which revealed that C1 lineage was present in the Icelandic mtDNA pool at least 300 years ago.

Inuit wives.

[Wrong]

Inuit wives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsyTyTiOMlo

[Dr. Tunde]

Wow, I didn't know that asiatic tribes had any genetic impact in France. Is not the Q in Scandinavia from the lapps??


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[Grab the Gauge]

I wanted to show a example from a country untouched by asiatic blood, but here are extreme ones.
http://i.imgur.com/Lr6tu4l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cuBFpTe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9lzKaRM.jpg

Again, central Europe starts at Germany and everything east of that and Austria is eastern Europe. Scandinavia is a thing of it's own, but genetically Swedes are "Central north Europeans" and Norwegians are more western, yet sometimes have mixed with lapps, so these mongoloid looks are nothing limited to only Romania.

These people do not really look Mongoloid.

This is a truly Mongoloid influenced person:

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/83/Sea_sami_man.jpg

[RN97]

These people do not really look Mongoloid.

This is a truly Mongoloid influenced person:

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/83/Sea_sami_man.jpg

They look pseudo-asiatic and would likely score some Siberian blood. What is mongoloid or not is more of a anthropological question I guess.

[Dr. Tunde]

They look pseudo-asiatic and would likely score some Siberian blood. What is mongoloid or not is more of a anthropological question I guess.

Why do you even bother posting is more of an appropriate question I guess.

[RN97]

Why do you even bother posting is more of an appropriate question I guess.

Hmmm.... I wonder who else would write something like that??? :whistle:

[Dr. Tunde]

Hmmm.... I wonder who else would write something like that??? :whistle:

Probably this guy...

http://i.imgur.com/NbLhIEP.jpg

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

[Iloko]

Looks Latina or Native American to me, but I guess she might be able to fit somewhere in Asia.

[Shah-Jehan]

Looks Latina or Native American to me, but I guess she might be able to fit somewhere in Asia.

second girl looks Viet, sort of like Linda Dong from Fung Bros.

[Squall Leonhart]

She could maybe pass in the Middle East.

[Dr. Tunde]

She could maybe pass in the Middle East.

No. Could pass in Kenya, Nigeria or Lappland. Take your pick.

[Iloko]

second girl looks Viet, sort of like Linda Dong from Fung Bros.
The one RN97 posted looks like a Filipina-Mestiza to me :lol: or at least she could easily be taken as one in Manila IMO.

[aherne]

Idk, her brother looks even more off than her. Their parents look normal, though, that's what's baffling me.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsbf.jpg (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsbf)

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsbg.jpg (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsbg)

Her brother is certified Gypsy. Some Gypsies have SE Asian influences in phenotype (I've seen a few).

[Mortimer]

Her brother is certified Gypsy. Some Gypsies have SE Asian influences in phenotype (I've seen a few).

your gypsy category is very broad dude, most non-euro phenotypes would make the bill. i wouldnt be surprised if the guy is half asian, thats what he looks like. euroasian. the girl too. they look both euroasian, it would make sense if one of their parents was asian.

[Governor]

This former Romanian football player quite looks Amerindian.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2jff5ky.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ikytll.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/1om0qh.jpg

[Antimage]

They must be adopted.

What about her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo_ttmE8OLI

[Antimage]

I have seen Spanish and French with pseudo-Mongoloid looks.
Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, french woman
http://img1.closermag.fr/var/closermag/storage/images/media/images-des-contenus/article/2016-07-27-marion-marechal-le-pens-engage-j-ai-decide-de-rejoindre-la-reserve-militaire/marion-marechal-le-pen-donne-une-conference-de-presse-a-haute-goulaine-pres-de-nantes-le-3-avril-203/5388989-1-fre-FR/Marion-Marechal-Le-Pen-donne-une-conference-de-presse-a-Haute-Goulaine-pres-de-Nantes-le-3-avril-20_exact1024x768_l.jpghttp://marionlepen.fr/wp-content/gallery/marion/130515NIM438.jpghttp://i.f1g.fr/media/figaro/1280x580_crop/2015/04/13/XVM9e059a9e-e1f1-11e4-913a-29b7eebe77ba.jpg

[Antimage]

used2bwhite why is all this so fascinating to you?

Because she used to be white.

[Grishnack]

She is Turanid, mainly. But honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she and her brother are adopted. This is not a common look among Romanians. At least not in my region. Anyway, you can observe pseudo-Mongoloid phenotypes almost everywhere in Europe (mainly in EE and Scandinavia, tho).

[Tommie]

Turanid. She's very pretty.


What about her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo_ttmE8OLI

Haha, I was about to post her :D
Another one with a pseudo-Mongoloid look. Anyways, I doubt any of those people are adopted. :D While not a common type, it's totally nothing alien for the region.

[used2bwhite]

She is Turanid, mainly. But honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she and her brother are adopted. This is not a common look among Romanians. At least not in my region. Anyway, you can observe pseudo-Mongoloid phenotypes almost everywhere in Europe (mainly in EE and Scandinavia, tho).

They're not adopted, she has 5 more siblings and all have pseudo-Asian looks, although she and her brother I had posted on here are the most striking ones. Her parents don't have this vibe, so that's what baffled me to begin with.

[Seya]

Turanid. She's very pretty.



Haha, I was about to post her :D
Another one with a pseudo-Mongoloid look. Anyways, I doubt any of those people are adopted. :D While not a common type, it's totally nothing alien for the region.

this is what i'm trying to say here..thank u eastern brother )))))

[Grishnack]

They're not adopted, she has 5 more siblings and all have pseudo-Asian looks, although she and her brother I had posted on here are the most striking ones. Her parents don't have this vibe, so that's what baffled me to begin with.

Quite odd.. I dunno, maybe her mom cucked her dad :lol:

[used2bwhite]

Quite odd.. I dunno, maybe her mom cucked her dad :lol:

Seven times?! Now, that's some nerve :lol:

[Antimage]

Kunsag cuman people.

[Stears]

Cuman weird look like many Romanians

[RN97]

Cuman weird look like many Romanians

but she fits in Kunsag?

[Stears]

but she fits in Kunsag?

Yes, Kunság people look similar weird like Wallachians (mongoloid infected)

[RN97]

Yes, Kunság people look similar weird like Wallachians (mongoloid infected)

Okay so Kunsag people and Wallachians are mongoloid infected. Transylvanians, Transdanubians and moldavians are white, right?

[Stears]

Okay so Kunsag people and Wallachians are mongoloid infected. Transylvanians, Transdanubians and moldavians are white, right?
Szeklers have Transdanubian origin (their dialects are closest to Transdanubian Hungarian), they are much more European looking than Romanians. Moldavians look like Romanian Russian mixature, so really eastern look.

[Austrvegr]

Looks Hungarian.

[RN97]

Szeklers have Transdanubian origin (their dialects are closest to Transdanubian Hungarian), they are much more European looking than Romanians. Moldavians look like Romanian Russian mixature, so really eastern look.

What about stearsoid huns? Are they white?
http://i.imgur.com/aanrAeE.jpg

[Stears]

Looks Hungarian.
Orthodox people are the real Turanians
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Dragos]

I'm from Romania and i see that phenotype very often. It's not uncommon at all

[Stears]

What about stearsoid huns? Are they white?
http://i.imgur.com/aanrAeE.jpg
it doesn't look white...there are no any scientific proof that Hungarian people are related to Huns. Deal with it.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Szeklers have Transdanubian origin (their dialects are closest to Transdanubian Hungarian), they are much more European looking than Romanians. Moldavians look like Romanian Russian mixature, so really eastern look.
Szeklers are the most asian both in appearance and genetic make-up. They are closer to original magyars than hungarians.

[Stears]

Szeklers are the most asian both in appearance and genetic make-up. They are closer to original magyars than hungarians.

Fantasy. Finno-Ugric people are native to Europe unlike IE speakers.

[Grishnack]

Fantasy. Finno-Ugric people are native to Europe unlike IE speakers.

Laughable, steppe-gypsy. Wallachians are much more white and European than Hungarians. Deal with it, steppe-gypsy.

[Ylla]

There were some Hunics in Sweden-Norway and SE France:

https://i1.wp.com/jerker.olofpark.com/HaplogroupQ.gif


N is Finnic/Siberian, as high in Turkey(0.5-1%) as in Romania:

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-N.gif

Q high in east Turkey..Witness will have a heart attack...

[Stears]

Laughable, steppe-gypsy. Wallachians are much more white and European than Hungarians. Deal with it, steppe-gypsy.


About the Finno-Ugric and IE language groups.

Just some Hard-facts: Finno-Ugric language group was born in N-Eastern Europe, until the roots of ancient IE language groups go back to Asian continent. In the Eurasian
supercontinent, there are more native speakers of IE languages in the ASIAN continent than in Europen continent. (Just remember the large IE speaking populations of India Pakistan Iran)
However, the 97% of Finno-ugric speaking people live in Europe. Therefore to call finno-ugric languages as "asian languages" is laughable illogical, unscientific and
misleading.


TYPE IN ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA:"Proto Indo Europeans"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

and see the maps about original ancient IE people!France Britain Italy haven't signifficant proto indoeuropean genes.The Germanic people have also very very low ratio of ancient IE haplogroup markers (R1a),only Eastern Europeans have high ratio of original proto IE haplogroups markers.Western European languages belongs to IE language group,but in very very distant way.(Have you ever heard about Language-shift? The IE linguistic effect spreaded as a lingua franca between many many populations during thousands of years)The real genetical IE people equal with the Eastern European people: and it represent lower culture,technology&lower scientific
economic development in European continent.

[Grishnack]

About the Finno-Ugric and IE language groups.

Just some Hard-facts: Finno-Ugric language group was born in N-Eastern Europe, until the roots of ancient IE language groups go back to Asian continent. In the Eurasian
supercontinent, there are more native speakers of IE languages in the ASIAN continent than in Europen continent. (Just remember the large IE speaking populations of India Pakistan Iran)
However, the 97% of Finno-ugric speaking people live in Europe. Therefore to call finno-ugric languages as "asian languages" is laughable illogical, unscientific and
misleading.


TYPE IN ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA:"Proto Indo Europeans"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

and see the maps about original ancient IE people!France Britain Italy haven't signifficant proto indoeuropean genes.The Germanic people have also very very low ratio of ancient IE haplogroup markers (R1a),only Eastern Europeans have high ratio of original proto IE haplogroups markers.Western European languages belongs to IE language group,but in very very distant way.(Have you ever heard about Language-shift? The IE linguistic effect spreaded as a lingua franca between many many populations during thousands of years)The real genetical IE people equal with the Eastern European people: and it represent lower culture,technology&lower scientific
economic development in European continent.

You're Eastern European, too, you know?

[Grishnack]

About the Finno-Ugric and IE language groups.

Just some Hard-facts: Finno-Ugric language group was born in N-Eastern Europe, until the roots of ancient IE language groups go back to Asian continent. In the Eurasian
supercontinent, there are more native speakers of IE languages in the ASIAN continent than in Europen continent. (Just remember the large IE speaking populations of India Pakistan Iran)
However, the 97% of Finno-ugric speaking people live in Europe. Therefore to call finno-ugric languages as "asian languages" is laughable illogical, unscientific and
misleading.


TYPE IN ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA:"Proto Indo Europeans"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

and see the maps about original ancient IE people!France Britain Italy haven't signifficant proto indoeuropean genes.The Germanic people have also very very low ratio of ancient IE haplogroup markers (R1a),only Eastern Europeans have high ratio of original proto IE haplogroups markers.Western European languages belongs to IE language group,but in very very distant way.(Have you ever heard about Language-shift? The IE linguistic effect spreaded as a lingua franca between many many populations during thousands of years)The real genetical IE people equal with the Eastern European people: and it represent lower culture,technology&lower scientific
economic development in European continent.

Why are Hungarians mainly R1a, then? http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Stears]

You're Eastern European, too, you know?

Hungary is not Eastern European country.

Hungary (similar to Poland Czech Rep. Germany Switzerland Poland etc..) is a Central European country, and it is part of western (catholic-protestant) western culture.

See the old Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911:

HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of Central Europe,
http://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabrit13chisrich#page/894/mode/1up/search/hungary



See Modern Britannica:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/276730/Hungary

Hungary, Hungarian Magyarország, landlocked country of central Europe. The capital is Budapest.


German BrockHaus Encyclopedia
http://www.brockhaus.de/.files/pdf/enzyklopaedie/BE_Burg.pdf

Columbia Encyclopedia
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hungary.aspx


French Larousse Encyclopedia
http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/pays/Hongrie/111520


Hungary is Central European: CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hu.html


Encarta Encyclopedia
http://web.archive.org/web/20091028125450/http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559741/Hungary.html

[Grishnack]

Hungary is not Eastern European country.

Hungary (similar to Poland Czech Rep. Germany Switzerland Poland etc..) is a Central European country, and it is part of western (catholic-protestant) western culture.

See the old Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911:

HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of Central Europe,
http://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabrit13chisrich#page/894/mode/1up/search/hungary



See Modern Britannica:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/276730/Hungary

Hungary, Hungarian Magyarország, landlocked country of central Europe. The capital is Budapest.


German BrockHaus Encyclopedia
http://www.brockhaus.de/.files/pdf/enzyklopaedie/BE_Burg.pdf

Columbia Encyclopedia
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hungary.aspx


French Larousse Encyclopedia
http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/pays/Hongrie/111520


Hungary is Central European: CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hu.html


Encarta Encyclopedia
http://web.archive.org/web/20091028125450/http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559741/Hungary.html

Then why is it mainly R1a?

[RN97]

it doesn't look white...there are no any scientific proof that Hungarian people are related to Huns. Deal with it.

He looks like you quite a bit though.

[Stears]

Then why is it mainly R1a?
Hungary is not in top ten R1a countries in Europe.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Grishnack]

Hungary is not in top ten R1a countries in Europe.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Yes, but it's overwhelmingly R1a. You slav, Stears.

[Stears]

Yes, but it's overwhelmingly R1a. You slav, Stears.

First: I'm not R1a eastern european haplogroup
Second: there is lower ration of R1a in Transdanubia, it is most common in north-eastern Hungary (where lived Slavic people like Rusyns)
Third: R1a is not exclusively Slavic marker. Or is Pakistan India and Kyrgyzstan Slavic to you ?
Fourth: Moldova has higher R1a ration than Hungary. So these people are not Romanians according to you.

You simply lost all the debates.

[aherne]

As I said long time ago, it isn't hard at all to find Romanians with Asian look. All those Turkic tribes who settled the country didn't vaporize into thin air: their legacy is visible once in a while. Full Mongoloids, though, are extremely rare...

[RN97]

First: I'm not R1a eastern european haplogroup
Second: there is lower ration of R1a in Transdanubia, it is most common in north-eastern Hungary (where lived Slavic people like Rusyns)
Third: R1a is not exclusively Slavic marker. Or is Pakistan India and Kyrgyzstan Slavic to you ?
Fourth: Moldova has higher R1a ration than Hungary. So these people are not Romanians according to you.

You simply lost all the debates.

No Romanian denies slavic admixture, but it's only prevalent in northeastern Romania, you're the one that claims that Hungarians are not slavic admixture. You're more slavic admixed than Romanians overall.

[Grishnack]

First: I'm not R1a eastern european haplogroup
Second: there is lower ration of R1a in Transdanubia, it is most common in north-eastern Hungary (where lived Slavic people like Rusyns)
Third: R1a is not exclusively Slavic marker. Or is Pakistan India and Kyrgyzstan Slavic to you ?
Fourth: Moldova has higher R1a ration than Hungary. So these people are not Romanians according to you.

You simply lost all the debates.

Moldavians are not Romanians, judging from a genetic point of view. I don't care about "blah blah Transdanubia is white the rest is neo-Cuman and gypsy blah blah". All are Hungarians, doesn't matter if they are from your precious Transdanubia or from north-Eastern Hungary.

[Governor]

Q high in east Turkey..Witness will have a heart attack...

Interestingly, it's also high in Levantine, Sicilia and Sardinia and also a little in Crete.

[Kelmendasi]

There were some Hunics in Sweden-Norway and SE France:

[IG]https://i1.wp.com/jerker.olofpark.com/HaplogroupQ.gif[/IMG]


N is Finnic/Siberian, as high in Turkey(0.5-1%) as in Romania:

[IG]http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-N.gif[/IMG]
Some of Q is part of a Scandinavian cluster not a Hunnic one which explains it in Scandinavia

[Stears]

No Romanian denies slavic admixture, but it's only prevalent in northeastern Romania, you're the one that claims that Hungarians are not slavic admixture. You're more slavic admixed than Romanians overall.
We might have mixed with western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) Slavs, it doesn't mean Hungarians are Slavic. We are also more western genetically than huge majority of Slavic people. Ethnic Hungarians never mixed with orthodox people Cumans and Gypsies like Romanians have (lifestyle anthropological cultural barriers)

Ethnic mixing was uncommon until 20th century except among aristocracy.

[Austrvegr]

Orthodox people are the real Turanians
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

You are not Western, Magyar. To Westerners you are a Bohunk, exotic semi-Asian from the East.

[Stears]

You are not Western, Magyar. To Westerners you are a Bohunk, exotic semi-Asian from the East.

Says the semi-asian orthodox mongoloid infected Russian. Have you ever been outside of your Eurasian country ? I doubt it.....

[Austrvegr]

Says the semi-asian orthodox mongoloid infected Russian. Have you ever been outside of your Eurasian country ? I doubt it.....

Whether I have been outside of my country or not has no relevance for the fact that you are not Western to the Westerners.

[Stears]

Whether I have been outside of my country or not has no relevance for the fact that you are not Western to the Westerners.

Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations.

THE WESTERN (Catholic-protestant) WORLD is depicted in dark blue on the map of prof. S. Huntington:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png


What is Western Civilization?
The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”
After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”)


It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development.
It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization.
The cultural the societal-system and the economical civilizational (and technological) differences between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.




MEMENTO:
Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:




1. POLITICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL development: Medieval appearance of parliaments (a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the beginning of human history), the estates of the realm, the clergy, the nobility, and the commoners,



2. SELF GOVERNMENT status of big royal/imperial cities, (local government systems of cities), which are the direct ancestors of modern self/local governmental systems. Do not confuse the self local governments with the city states. Sovereign city states were the earliest form of states in Human history ( For example: Sumerian city states), and that legal concept has nothing common with the self-governments/local governments of cities within a country or within an Empire.



3. ECONOMY: The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.)




4. HIGHER EDUCATION: The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of secular intellectuals,




5. CULTURE: Knights, the knight-culture, chivalric code, (and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,)
Music and literature: courtly love, troubadours, Gregorian chant, Ars nova, Organum, Motet, Madrigal, Canon and Ballata, Liturgical drama, Novellas,
medieval western THEATER: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays, which developed into the renaissance theater, the direct ancestor of modern theaters.
Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,


6. The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,


7. TECHNOLOGY: The guild system is an association of artisans or merchants, which organized the training education, and directed master's exam system for artisians. Due to the compulsory foreign studies of the artisian master's candidates, the guilds played key role in the fast spread of technologies and industrial knowledge in the medieval Western World.


8. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone/brick castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls . The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly - with a
single decesive open-field battle - due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.)


9. FINEARTS and ARCHITECTURE: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style.
The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by non-European arabic and persian influenced Byzantine ornamentics.




10.The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.
Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In
Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century. Their infrastructural and economic development was also very very slow, and many determinant factors of modern civilization - as we called them as civilized way of life - (railways, the electrification of cities, drain & sewer systems, water pipe systems, spread of tap water and bathrooms, telecommuncations etc... spread many many decades (60-80 years) later.
It is no wonder that their contribution in science technology and innovations are completely negligible in Human history by the WESTERN standards.

About your Turanian civilisation:
"Turanian civilization, created the blue Mongols of Genghis Khan. Its primary feature is the military organization adapted to the mobile war. The best characterized by the notions of camp-movement-space. Thus, family ties are in this civilization very loose. In a civilization that is not public law, and there are only private, derived from orders of the ruler. The state is grange ruler, and his will is law. Society does not have any rights and must not be organized - this is from the state. Thus, any organizations are controlled centrally, and any grassroots initiative is eliminated. The authority is absolute, and the ideal ruler is cruel despot. In view of the superior, each of the members of the public remains in the position of a slave or servant - citizens are not at all. In the West, the citizen lives in the country - Turanid exclusively in the state. All matters are matters of state, and there is such that it could be regarded as exclusively his own. The entire property is owned by the ruler and can be only tenant of any part of the property. Rent This may, however, be revoked at any time by the will of the ruler, who has the right to expropriate anyone he wishes. The whole organization of life is military in nature, imperious, and thus it is maximally centralized. Bureaucracy is power, not the people. Acts on behalf of the ruler and only to him is responsible, and not against the people with whom he was dealing. Therefore, life is very mechanical - as in the military and it has no organic elements. Because social organization is war develops when the state wins when a military power and success. When no victories, conquests, the state weakens or even breaks down, because the major social effort is directed towards building military strength.
The Turanian civilization nations do not arise in the European sense. There are only conglomerates of peoples, tribes and races, which combines the winning star chief. Temujin, the first Genghis Khan, organized people of different races, ethnic origin and religion in an efficient army and led her to conquer the world. Wherever he stood, he organized life in the military, leaving his subordinates as local rulers. Many of them eventually emancipated themselves from the Mongol supremacy and continued as a new absolute rulers, acting according to the same method. Frequently, the people in this way derive their name from some military ruler, Seljuks, Osmans and others. Big role in this civilization plays romanticism and legends surrounding a successful ruler. When a strong leader is gone, comes "smut," a time of anxiety. There is confusion and weakness. The emergence of a new "tyrant" is the end of the "Troubles", a return to normality.
Turanian civilization has no relation to religion. This area is usually indifferent to the ruler, as long as that does not interfere clergy in his case, not trying to play the role of the state and not criticized power in any case. No ethics does not apply to the ruler and never be judged from the position of ethics.
Today obviously we see Turanian civilization in Russia.
There autocracy is the norm. It does not matter whether it is a chan, tcar, first secretary or president. He is the most loved and accepted, if its power is free of any restrictions; must be a winner. Turanian people do not accept losing leaders as rulers. So he has to prove that his sway and influence continue to grow. He is never criticized, nor contested.
Do not expect that Russia suddenly adopt a democratic system, because the people do not expect it. Invited to vote will vote as ruler tells them, and any opposition will of course be crushed. A good example of the Russian way of thinking is a famous saying of Tsar Nicholas II after it was fully submerged under Cuszymą Baltic fleet in 1904 as part of the war with Japan. When, in the wake of criticism of the Western press were protests that it was a mistake to send the Baltic fleet around the globe on the water Japanese car said, "What does this rabble wants from me and interfering? It was my fleet. "Thirteen years later the Tsar was forced to abdicate and was later killed by the Bolsheviks, and today is regarded in Russia as a saint and martyr, and loved in spite of all its imperfections. The Bolsheviks quickly returned to the same despotic methods of government, and even Stalin is remembered with nostalgia by many. Governments Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin were troubled times. State ownership became private property oligarchs. Now, however, is Putin. Tsar returned dispossessed oligarchs and Russia is back to normal - Turanian normality. The Lord must be successful in order to remain on the throne. Today, they may influence other countries by making their supply of oil and gas. Certainly will be growing attempts to restore dominion over lands that Russia lost under Gorbachev and Yeltsin."

[Grishnack]

We might have mixed with western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) Slavs, it doesn't mean Hungarians are Slavic. We are also more western genetically than huge majority of Slavic people. Ethnic Hungarians never mixed with orthodox people Cumans and Gypsies like Romanians have (lifestyle anthropological cultural barriers)

Ethnic mixing was uncommon until 20th century except among aristocracy.

You really just described Romania, which was far more opposed to race-mixing than Hungary, which was hellbent on Magyarization. And you know it. That makes you a mixed-race gypsoid semi-Asian and me a pure European.

[Austrvegr]

It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization)

Westerners are Anglo-Saxons and to them Hungarians are Bohunks, funny exotic dudes from the East with ridiculous looks and customs.

[Stears]

Westerners are Anglo-Saxons and to them Hungarians are Bohunks, funny exotic dudes from the East with ridiculous looks and customs.


It is enough to watch you anthropologically, and learn about your genetics,and everbody know how "Europeans" are the Russians.Mongol admixture shit.

[Austrvegr]

It is enough to watch you anthropologically, and learn about your genetics,and everbody know how "Europeans" are the Russians.Mongol admixture shit.

Even if Russians were fully Mongol, it would not make you Western, gulash man.

[Stears]

Even if Russians were fully Mongol, it would not make you Western, gulash man.


everybody laugh on you, when you try to be shown as Europeans,both culturally,anthropologically.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Can someone tell this fool that an average European considers Russia as more western than his own country, which in most of bibliography is considered eastern?

Furthermore, for God sake, can someone tell this fool that an uralic speaker is the last who can talk about semi-asians?

[brennus dux gallorum]

Even if Russians were fully Mongol, it would not make you Western, gulash man.

First time I met him was in stormfront, where everybody from Spain to Germany tried to explain him that
http://www.mapsofworld.com/europe/country-groupings/map-of-eastern-europe.jpg

Until he finally got banned

[Hadouken]

people who say that she (and her brother) dont look east asian (influenced) must be out of their mind tbh.

[Newsboy]

They must be adopted.

Yeah, has to be.

Sometimes children look nothing like either of their parents but still within the same race.

[used2bwhite]

Yeah, has to be.

Sometimes children look nothing like either of their parents but still within the same race.

I know it's hard to believe but they're not adopted. The girl and the boy have five more siblings and they all look faux Asian, although not to this extent. If I knew they were adopted I wouldn't have opened this thread.

[Stears]

Can someone tell this fool that an average European considers Russia as more western than his own country, which in most of bibliography is considered eastern?

Furthermore, for God sake, can someone tell this fool that an uralic speaker is the last who can talk about semi-asians?

About the Finno-Ugric and IE language groups.


Just some Hard-facts: Finno-Ugric language group was born in N-Eastern Europe (in the Elbe- Baltic Sea - URal region), until the roots of ancient IE language groups go back to Asian continent (Minor Asia). In the Eurasian supercontinent, there are more native speakers of IE languages in the ASIAN continent than in Europen continent. (Just remember the large IE speaking populations of India Pakistan Iran)
However, the 97% of Finno-ugric speaking people live in Europe. Therefore to call finno-ugric languages as "asian languages" is laughable illogical, unscientific and misleading.


TYPE IN ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA:"Proto Indo Europeans"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans


and see the maps about original ancient IE people!France Britain Italy haven't significant proto indoEuropean genes.The Germanic people have also very very low ratio of ancient IE haplogroup markers (R1a),only Eastern Europeans have high ratio of original proto IE haplogroups markers in Europe. Western European languages belongs to IE language group,but in very very distant way.(Have you ever heard about language-shift? The IE linguistic effect spreaded as a lingua franca and as a „dealer language” between many many populations during thousands of years) The real genetic IE people equal with the Eastern European people ( indians and iranians in the Asian continent.) Therefore being real descendants of IndoEuropeans represent lower culture, technology & lower scientific and economic development in the European continent.

[Stears]

You're Eastern European, too, you know?

Hungary is not an Eastern European (so-called Orthodox) country.


Hungary (similar to Germany Czech Rep. Switzerland Poland etc..) is a Central European country, and it is part of western (catholic-protestant) western culture.






See the old Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911:


HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of Central Europe,
http://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabrit13chisrich#page/894/mode/1up/search/hungary










See Modern Britannica:


http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/276730/Hungary




"Hungary, Hungarian Magyarország, landlocked country of central Europe. The capital is Budapest."






German BrockHaus Encyclopedia
http://www.brockhaus.de/.files/pdf/enzyklopaedie/BE_Burg.pdf




Columbia Encyclopedia
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hungary.aspx






French Larousse Encyclopedia
http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/pays/Hongrie/111520






Hungary is Central European: CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hu.html






Encarta Encyclopedia
http://web.archive.org/web/20091028125450/http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559741/Hungary.html

[Stears]

Q high in east Turkey..Witness will have a heart attack...

A recent one more detailed map of haplogroup Q

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FGO9wOaosF8/U40equhyFAI/AAAAAAAAClY/BSLFiU1yoys/s1600/qhaplogroupeurope.png

[Stears]

Then why is it mainly R1a?


Wrong.Hungary is not in the top 10 R1A countries in Europe: Check it: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Antimage]

These divisions like "eastern europe", "southern europe" divisions are arbitrary and change from time to time, it is not something carved in stone.

If we were discussing this 100 years ago in 1917, nobody would be considering Hungary "eastern", Hungary was under Austro-Hungarian empire, a clearly central european empire and before the Austro-Hungarian compromise of 1867 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Compromise_of_1867) it was ruled from Vienna for more than 300 years.

Finland on the other hand, which is not considered Eastern Europe today, but Northern, or even Western by some, would have been considered Eastern European 100 years ago after being a part of Russian empire for more than 100 years(between 1809 and 1918). In the famous Russian writer Dostoyevsky's novels you had Finnish and Polish characters besides the Russkies but never Hungarian,Slovak, or Czech.

But after 50 years of Soviet-commie rule with other eastern european countries, it became eastern in eyes of people.
I have no problem with this perceived as such, though. Admittedly, Hungary has characteristics of Central Europe and Eastern Europe as well, it's a kind of gray area, take Smigus-dyngus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Amigus-dyngus) for example(in Hungarian:locsolkodás), it is cultural stuff that Hungarians share with Ukrainians, and also with Western Slavs.

[Stears]

These divisions like "eastern europe", "southern europe" divisions are arbitrary and change from time to time, it is not something carved in stone.

If we were discussing this 100 years ago in 1917, nobody would be considering Hungary "eastern", Hungary was under Austro-Hungarian empire, a clearly central european empire and before the Austro-Hungarian compromise of 1867 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Compromise_of_1867) it was ruled from Vienna for more than 300 years.

Finland on the other hand, which is not considered Eastern Europe today, but Northern, or even Western by some, would have been considered Eastern European 100 years ago after being a part of Russian empire for more than 100 years(between 1809 and 1918). In the famous Russian writer Dostoyevsky's novels you had Finnish and Polish characters besides the Russkies but never Hungarian,Slovak, or Czech.

But after 50 years of Soviet-commie rule with other eastern european countries, it became eastern in eyes of people.
I have no problem with this perceived as such, though. Admittedly, Hungary has characteristics of Central Europe and Eastern Europe as well, it's a kind of gray area, take Smigus-dyngus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Amigus-dyngus) for example(in Hungarian:locsolkodás), it is cultural stuff that Hungarians share with Ukrainians, and also with Western Slavs.

But you are from the Alföld region, which consist only 2M people, who have eastern European culture. Your culture is weird and foreign in the eyes of other Hungarians. The only thing which connect you to Hungarian culture, that your immigrant population learned Hungarian as mother tongue after the Ottoman wars.

[Antimage]

But you are from the Alföld region, which consist only 2M people, who have eastern European culture. Your culture is weird and foreign in the eyes of other Hungarians. The only thing which connect you to Hungarian culture, that your immigrant population learned Hungarian as mother tongue after the Ottoman wars.

Locsolkodás from Győr, "Transdanubia", a custom shared with Ukrainians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8MmZGzxxLg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Amigus-dyngus

[Tommie]

Chinese rarer ,most asians in Romanians are of dark type,like girl in OP.
However here is the mom of the singer you posted.
http://botosaninews.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/xonia-si-mama-ei.jpg

Looks like a chinese news reporter..
Not at all, lol. She just looks East Baltid.

[Stears]

Locsolkodás from Győr, "Transdanubia", a custom shared with Ukrainians


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Amigus-dyngus


Don't be idiot. The cultural differences between Alföld and other parts of Historic Hungary were so great, that social scientists and historians speak about Alföld not only as a different culture, but as entirely different civilization. Read the Book: http://tet.rkk.hu/index.php/TeT/article/view/98/195

[brennus dux gallorum]

But you are from the Alföld region, which consist only 2M people, who have eastern European culture. Your culture is weird and foreign in the eyes of other Hungarians. The only thing which connect you to Hungarian culture, that your immigrant population learned Hungarian as mother tongue after the Ottoman wars.

You are not western, that's how the west perceives you, as a non western, because your culture, behavior etc are all eastern, and that's not inferior, and for that reason in most of bibliography you are referred as central -eastern but almost never as western

Even Austria, which is central -western is stereotyped as Slavic and eastern influenced

[Stears]

You are not western, that's how the west perceives you, as a non western, because your culture, behavior etc are all eastern, and that's not inferior, and for that reason in most of bibliography you are referred as central -eastern but almost never as western

Even Austria, which is central -western is stereotyped as Slavic and eastern influenced

You are envy, because you have eurasian orthodox culture isntead of Western culture. See the above mentioned points in the "differences between East and West" post.

[brennus dux gallorum]

You are envy, because you have eurasian orthodox culture isntead of Western culture. See the above mentioned points in the "differences between East and West" post.

Do you know something? You are the biggest wannabe I have ever met in my life, I have met many Hungarians, ordinary people who never denied their eastern identity

For your information, not even one academic source either associates eastern Europe with orthodox church or orthodox church with eurasia, I have nothing to see in a post of a wannabe in forums, I prefer academic sources, nearly all of them emphasizing your eastern heritage

BTW I wouldn't have any problem to be eastern, it's a pity that neither common sense nor science classifies me as such, Mr uralic speaker

You are the most wannabe western, and if you ask an average western he will respond that Romania is more western than you,something that you met in stormfront until you got banned, cause after all it speaks Latin, not uralic, for God sake

[Stears]

Do you know something? You are the biggest wannabe I have ever met in my life, I have met many Hungarians, ordinary people who never denied their eastern identity

For your information, not even one academic source either associates eastern Europe with orthodox church or orthodox church with eurasia, I have nothing to see in a post of a wannabe in forums, I prefer academic sources, nearly all of them emphasizing your eastern heritage

BTW I wouldn't have any problem to be eastern, it's a pity that neither common sense nor science classifies me as such, Mr uralic speaker

You are the most wannabe western, and if you ask an average western he will respond that Romania is more western than you,something that you met in stormfront until you got banned, cause after all it speaks Latin, not uralic, for God sake

Hello frustrated Eastern European (the child of the backward Eurasian Orthodox civilizaton)
You have met many Hungarians in your fantasy.

I trust only in Great Western Encyclopedias.

Hungary is not an Eastern European (so-called Orthodox) country.

Hungary (similar to Germany, Czech Republic, Switzerland and Poland etc..) is a Central European country, and it is part of western (catholic-protestant) western culture.



See the old Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911:

HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of Central Europe,
http://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabrit13chisrich#page/894/mode/1up/search/hungary





See Modern Britannica:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/276730/Hungary


"Hungary, Hungarian Magyarország, landlocked country of central Europe. The capital is Budapest."



German BrockHaus Encyclopedia
http://www.brockhaus.de/.files/pdf/enzyklopaedie/BE_Burg.pdf


Columbia Encyclopedia
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hungary.aspx



French Larousse Encyclopedia
http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/pays/Hongrie/111520



Hungary is Central European: CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hu.html



Encarta Encyclopedia
http://web.archive.org/web/20091028125450/http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559741/Hungary.html

[Antimage]

Don't be idiot. The cultural differences between Alföld and other parts of Historic Hungary were so great, that social scientists and historians speak about Alföld not only as a different culture, but as entirely different civilization. Read the Book: http://tet.rkk.hu/index.php/TeT/article/view/98/195

However, Transdanubia is sharing this custom with Ukraine and not with Germany,France, UK etc.:shrug: why is that?

[Stears]

Laughable orthodox Greek doesn't know that Latin was official language in the Kingdom of Hungary until 1844. His Greece was part of the west until Justinian (more than 1500 years ago), and than they became Eurasians.
he is envy as hell

[Stears]

However, Transdanubia is sharing this custom with Ukraine and not with Germany,France, UK etc.:shrug: why is that?
There is no great cultural divide between Austria and Transdanubia,just go and ask the Austrians. However there is sharp contrast between Alföld and other Hungarian-speaking inhabited territories (upper Hungary so-called ''Slovakia'', Transylvania).

[Antimage]

Van rá utalás a régi szláv gyakorlatban,[1] és Csehországban már Konrád Waldhauser (1326-1369) is írt a locsolkodásról.[2] Ez a szokás ismert Szlovákiában, Csehországban, Ukrajnában és Lengyelországban is.[3]
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locsolkod%C3%A1s

[Stears]

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locsolkod%C3%A1s

A locsolkodásból szeretnél civilizációkat levezetni? Holnap meg NY-Európa lesz indián a dohányzás megjelenése miatt, vagy az angolok lesznek a teázástól a kínai kultúra részei? Mennyi füvet szívtál te kis drogos ?

[brennus dux gallorum]

Hello frustrated Eastern European (the child of the backward Eurasian Orthodox civilizaton)
You have met many Hungarians in your fantasy.

I trust only in Great Western Encyclopedias.

Hungary is not an Eastern European (so-called Orthodox) country.

Hungary (similar to Germany, Czech Republic, Switzerland and Poland etc..) is a Central European country, and it is part of western (catholic-protestant) western culture.



See the old Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911:

HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of Central Europe,
http://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabrit13chisrich#page/894/mode/1up/search/hungary





See Modern Britannica:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/276730/Hungary


"Hungary, Hungarian Magyarország, landlocked country of central Europe. The capital is Budapest."



German BrockHaus Encyclopedia
http://www.brockhaus.de/.files/pdf/enzyklopaedie/BE_Burg.pdf


Columbia Encyclopedia
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hungary.aspx



French Larousse Encyclopedia
http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/pays/Hongrie/111520



Hungary is Central European: CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hu.html



Encarta Encyclopedia
http://web.archive.org/web/20091028125450/http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559741/Hungary.html

Can you see even one of these sources describing your country as western dumb?

The laughable uralic stears doesn't even know what his own language is compare to Latin spoken in Romania

HUNGARY IS PERCEIVED AS NON WESTERN IN THE WEST, DEAL WITH IT

On Contrary idiot, all western sources claim us as more western than we do about ourselves

[StonyArabia]

Cuman Turkic or Romanized Tatar

[Stears]

Can you see even one of these sources describing your country as western dumb?

The laughable uralic stears doesn't even know what his own language is compare to Latin spoken in Romania

HUNGARY IS PERCEIVED AS NON WESTERN IN THE WEST, DEAL WITH IT

On Contrary idiot, all western sources claim us as more western than we do about ourselves

None of these encyclopedias called Hungary as Eastern European, but all of them called it as Central European country. Central Europe (Switzerland Germany Austria Hungary Czech rep. etc..) is part of Western civilization. You have lost the debate.

[brennus dux gallorum]

None of these encyclopedias called Hungary as Eastern European, but all of them called it as Central European country. Central Europe (Switzerland Germany Austria Hungary Czech rep. etc..) is part of Western civilization. You have lost the debate.

Really? Can you give me one reliable academic source which makes clear "central Europe=part of west"???

[Stears]

Really? Can you give me one reliable academic source which makes clear "central Europe=part of west"???

In Europe, four region belong to the Western civilization : Western Europe (Consisted only: France, UK and Ireland and Benelux states) Southern Europe (Ital, Spain Portugal and some mini city-states) and Central Europe (Germany, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria, Czech Republic, Poland Slovakia ) And Northern Europe (Sweden, Norway, Denmark)




The traditional Western viewpoint identified Western Civilization with the Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries and culture: Google books results in English language:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22western+christianity%22+%22western+civ ilization%22&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=1012&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1800%2Ccd_max%3A12% 2F31%2F1960&tbm=bks#q=%22western+christianity%22+%22western+ci vilization%22&hl=en&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:2000,cd_max:2099&tbm=bks

[brennus dux gallorum]

In Europe, four region belong to the Western civilization : Western Europe (Consisted only: France, UK and Ireland and Benelux states) Southern Europe (Ital, Spain Portugal and some mini city-states) and Central Europe (Germany, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria, Czech Republic, Poland Slovakia ) And Northern Europe (Sweden, Norway, Denmark)




The traditional Western viewpoint identified Western Civilization with the Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries and culture: Google books results in English language:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22western+christianity%22+%22western+civ ilization%22&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=1012&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1800%2Ccd_max%3A12% 2F31%2F1960&tbm=bks#q=%22western+christianity%22+%22western+ci vilization%22&hl=en&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:2000,cd_max:2099&tbm=bks

i repeat, academic sources, not novels (even in the particular novels there is not even one line describing "orthodox=eastern europe" and catholic=western Europe")

In Europe, western is anything not included in this

http://www.mapsofworld.com/europe/country-groupings/map-of-eastern-europe.jpg

Sorry but your personal perception about west/east is distorted, noone in the west consider Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland Slovakia as western, HUNGARY IS EASTERN EUROPE

not to mention that among all your eastern psychological traits, the most eastern is that you judge through religion, something uncommon in the west, where you do not belong

[Stears]

Read about Orthodox, Islamic and Western civilization. Orthodox is a separate cilization.
https://books.google.com/books?id=9-sQDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA248&dq=Hungary+civilizations+orthodox&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiprM3juojTAhXJyRQKHcj3BEoQ6AEIGDAA#v=on epage&q=Hungary%20civilizations%20orthodox&f=false

Bibliographic information

https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?chs=150x150&cht=qr&chl=https://books.google.hu/books?id=9-sQDQAAQBAJ&source=qrcode (https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?chs=400x400&cht=qr&chl=https://books.google.hu/books?id=9-sQDQAAQBAJ&source=qrcode)


Title
A History of Orthodox, Islamic, and Western Christian Political Values


Author
Dennis Dunn (https://www.google.hu/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Dennis+Dunn%22&source=gbs_metadata_r&cad=8)


Edition
illustrated


Publisher
Springer, 2016


ISBN
3319325671, 9783319325675

[Stears]

ORthodox is a separate civilization, it is non-Western civilization.

Google books results:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22western+christianity%22+%22western+civ ilization%22&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=1012&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1800%2Ccd_max%3A12% 2F31%2F1960&tbm=bks#q=%22orthodox+civilization%22+%22western+c ivilization%22&hl=en&tbm=bks&tbas=0

[brennus dux gallorum]

As usual, non academic novels and sources on western Christianity, where the term eastern or western Europe is never used (religion based judging, typical eastern trait) confirming this:

http://espanol.mapsofworld.com/maps/Eastern_Europe.jpg

http://www.mapsofworld.com/europe/country-groupings/map-of-eastern-europe.jpg

http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/central-eastern-europe-map.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/goeasteurope/1/S/Z/L/-/-/EasternEuropeMap.jpg

Johnson, Lonnie Central Europe: Enemies, Neighbours, Friends Oxford University Press, USA, 2001

Wallace, W. The Transformation of Western Europe London, Pinter, 1990

LOL enjoy reading and watching :cool:

https://books.google.gr/books?id=YGrvAAAAMAAJ&q=Hungary+part+of+eastern+europe&dq=Hungary+part+of+eastern+europe&hl=el&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT6JCimJrTAhWB7xQKHWwxAF4Q6AEIHzAB


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NVSSxQxDYk

The conclusion: Stears wants to be western , bt is not perceived western by western people

I am perceived as western by western people, but i have no problem to be non western

in other words Stears=wannabe Brennus :cool:

[Stears]

As usual, non academic novels and sources on western Christianity, where the term eastern or western Europe is never used (religion based judging, typical eastern trait) confirming this:



http://www.mapsofworld.com/europe/country-groupings/map-of-eastern-europe.jpg





Johnson, Lonnie Central Europe: Enemies, Neighbours, Friends Oxford University Press, USA, 2001

Wallace, W. The Transformation of Western Europe London, Pinter, 1990

LOL enjoy reading and watching :cool:

https://books.google.gr/books?id=YGrvAAAAMAAJ&q=Hungary+part+of+eastern+europe&dq=Hungary+part+of+eastern+europe&hl=el&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT6JCimJrTAhWB7xQKHWwxAF4Q6AEIHzAB


The conclusion: Stears wants to be western , bt is not perceived western by western people

I am perceived as western by western people, but i have no problem to be non western

in other words Stears=wannabe Brennus :cool:


You confused geographical maps with cultural civilizational maps.


90% of the books of the google-books link are from university presses, they were written by academic scholars. Everybody will know, who open the link. Deal with it.
But your Youtube videos are not academic sources.

[brennus dux gallorum]

You confused geographical maps with cultural civilizational maps.


90% of the books of the google-books link are from university presses, they were written by academic scholars. Everybody will know, who open the link. Deal with it.
But your Youtube videos are not academic sources.

Not even one of the book you posted is considered academic (you can see it in their own info) no matters who wrote them, and not even one of the maps I posted is geographical, geographically eastern Europe is only Russia ukraine and Belarus. And i obviously didnt post the YT video as a source, it was juist another hungarian (and so non western European) who admited what western Europe as a whole knows: that Hungary is not western

the only cultural/mental accurate source i have seen based on academic research is the one of Lewis, associating your country ONLY with eastern Europe, in that terms

Not even one academic source based on full mental and cultural research associates you with the west ( repeat, western world, you have to process in your mind the difference between one western trait and being western as a whole)

[Stears]

Not even one of the book you posted is considered academic (you can see it in their own info) no matters who wrote them, and not even one of the maps I posted is geographical, geographically eastern Europe is only Russia ukraine and Belarus. And i obviously didnt post the YT video as a source, it was juist another hungarian (and so non western European) who admited what western Europe as a whole knows: that Hungary is not western

the only cultural/mental accurate source i have seen based on academic research is the one of Lewis, associating your country ONLY with eastern Europe, in that terms

Not even one academic source based on full mental and cultural research associates you with the west ( repeat, western world, you have to process in your mind the difference between one western trait and being western as a whole)

"no matters who wrote them"
Only that matters. In the world of internet you can easily chech the authors's curriculum. University teachers (professors) authors and university press mean that books are academic.

Central Europe as a well known and accepted concept from the 19th century, itself based on the Western civilization of that part of Europe, which are clearly different from the Orthodox Eastern European model. The successor of Orthodox Eurasian civilization model was Russia after the fall of Constantinaples.

[brennus dux gallorum]

"no matters who wrote them"
Only that matters. In the world of internet you can easily chech the authors's curriculum. University teachers (professors) authors and university press mean that books are academic.

Central Europe as a well known and accepted concept from the 19th century, itself based on the Western civilization of that part of Europe, which are clearly different from the Orthodox Eastern European model. The successor of Orthodox Eurasian civilization model was Russia after the fall of Constantinaples.

Academic source is only a source based on research, No matters who is the author. Not even one of your sources included research

Central Europe is stereotypically associated with the east, which is ok as long as most of central European countries are slavic, except of uralic-altaic countries, with this trait being the most important indicator of western/eastern followed by the ex-warsaw treaty membership.

the succesor of the slavic-uralic eastern european civilization is everything located in the eastern Europe

[Laberia]

Not even one of the book you posted is considered academic (you can see it in their own info) no matters who wrote them, and not even one of the maps I posted is geographical, geographically eastern Europe is only Russia ukraine and Belarus. And i obviously didnt post the YT video as a source, it was juist another hungarian (and so non western European) who admited what western Europe as a whole knows: that Hungary is not western

the only cultural/mental accurate source i have seen based on academic research is the one of Lewis, associating your country ONLY with eastern Europe, in that terms

Not even one academic source based on full mental and cultural research associates you with the west ( repeat, western world, you have to process in your mind the difference between one western trait and being western as a whole)

First of all, you personally and a large part of the population of your country are not Europeans, let alone speaking about western Europe.

[brennus dux gallorum]

I know,mine and rest of western Europe nowdays is full of eastern European and mena immigrants, such as Albos

https://lizardpoint.com/geography/images/maps/xeurope-west-labeled.gif.pagespeed.ic.8VBRzwy5sG.png

let's defend it

btw i see stears must be proud to have an albanian supporter :D:D

[RN97]

Stears is Albanian guys!

[brennus dux gallorum]

Stears is mentally ill Albanian guys!

fixed:cool:

[Laberia]

I know,mine and rest of western Europe nowdays is full of eastern European and mena immigrants, such as Albos

https://lizardpoint.com/geography/images/maps/xeurope-west-labeled.gif.pagespeed.ic.8VBRzwy5sG.png

let's defend it

btw i see stears must be proud to have an albanian supporter :D:D

A large part of the population of your country arrived in Europe around 100 years ago from Asia. This people were considered by the native "greeks" as turkish sperm. Open your books and read this.

[Laberia]

Stears is Albanian guys!

You retard, go find your father, kopil. Don't involve us in your flame wars with hungarians.

[Wrong]

Stears is Albanian guys!He is too anti-Balkan(Albanian) for that :D

[brennus dux gallorum]

A large part of the population of your country arrived in Europe around 100 years ago. This people were considered by the native "greeks" as turkish sperm. Open your books and read this.

Is there anything else you can contribute to this forum than repeating again, and again, and again the same BS?

my country has significant non European populations, such as Pakistanis, Albanians, nigerians etc., i never said that all people living here are European or Western

that conversation is between me and stears, go waste anyone else's time, Albanian

[Antimage]

As usual, non academic novels and sources on western Christianity, where the term eastern or western Europe is never used (religion based judging, typical eastern trait) confirming this:

http://espanol.mapsofworld.com/maps/Eastern_Europe.jpg

http://www.mapsofworld.com/europe/country-groupings/map-of-eastern-europe.jpg

http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/central-eastern-europe-map.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/goeasteurope/1/S/Z/L/-/-/EasternEuropeMap.jpg

Johnson, Lonnie Central Europe: Enemies, Neighbours, Friends Oxford University Press, USA, 2001

Wallace, W. The Transformation of Western Europe London, Pinter, 1990

LOL enjoy reading and watching :cool:

https://books.google.gr/books?id=YGrvAAAAMAAJ&q=Hungary+part+of+eastern+europe&dq=Hungary+part+of+eastern+europe&hl=el&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT6JCimJrTAhWB7xQKHWwxAF4Q6AEIHzAB


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NVSSxQxDYk

The conclusion: Stears wants to be western , bt is not perceived western by western people

I am perceived as western by western people, but i have no problem to be non western

in other words Stears=wannabe Brennus :cool:

Why would greeks be western? No one thinks of Greece as a western European country.

[Laberia]

Is there anything else you can contribute to this forum than repeating again, and again, and again the same BS?

my country has significant non European populations, such as Pakistanis, Albanians, nigerians etc., i never said that all people living here are European or Western

You are an idiot without life. If there is something white, european and noble in the blood of today greeks, this is Albanian blood. Explain to the people here the word prosfig.

[RN97]

Why would greeks be western? No one thinks of Greece as a western European country.

Well, Norwegians don't consider Greece to be eastern Europe.

[Stears]

I know,mine and rest of western Europe nowdays is full of eastern European and mena immigrants, such as Albos

https://lizardpoint.com/geography/images/maps/xeurope-west-labeled.gif.pagespeed.ic.8VBRzwy5sG.png

let's defend it

btw i see stears must be proud to have an albanian supporter :D:D

Laughable cold war era map. You are the Christian version of Turkey
Map from academic researchers not from your third world blogs
http://austria-forum.org/attach/Europa/Mitteleuropa/Grossgliederung_Europas.jpg

[RN97]

You retard, go find your father, kopil. Don't involve us in your flame wars with hungarians.

This is how a low IQ person with little to no comprehension skills would respond. Would not expect anything else.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Why would greeks be western? No one thinks of Greece as a western European country.

that's a big story, but i can ensure you that even though most of western Europe does (consider us western), i have no problem with being called non-western

and the only sure is that i have nothing against Hungary, Stears is the only problem of the particular community, calling anyone he dislikes as "eastern European" or "eurasian

[Antimage]

Well, Norwegians don't consider Greece to be eastern Europe.

and? That doesn't really refute my post, does it? Nobody consiers Greece Western or Eastern, it is Southern. Labeling it as Western looks ridiculous to me, given its location and history.

[Antimage]

that's a big story, but i can ensure you that even though most of western Europe does (consider us western),



I don't believe it. When people in Hungary say western Europe they think of England, Germany, France etc, never Greece.

[Stears]

and? That doesn't really refute my post, does it? Nobody consiers Greece Western or Eastern, it is Southern. Labeling it as Western looks ridiculous to me, given its location and history.
Wrong. Greece is Balkan. Southern Europe is Spain Portugal and Italy (and they are part of the western civilization).

[brennus dux gallorum]

Laughable cold war era map. You are the Christian version of Turkey
Map from academic researchers not from your third world blogs
http://austria-forum.org/attach/Europa/Mitteleuropa/Grossgliederung_Europas.jpg

only stears could consider this map as "based on researches" :D:D:D:D

http://www.crossculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Cultural_Map_World_7001.jpg

only lewis model is based on researches, and associate you with everything non western

[RN97]

and? That doesn't really refute my post, does it? Nobody consiers Greece Western or Eastern, it is Southern. Labeling it as Western looks ridiculous to me, given its location and history.

Sure, I didn't claim that. I thought you meant it was eastern European. Norwegians refer to it as "syden" meaning the south, but that's a term used by Norwegians which was basically invented. Everything from Thailand to Spain can be "syden", but I'd say southern Europe is the most accurate, sure. However Hungarians are much more eastern Europeans than Greeks are. Culturally and looks wise.

[Stears]

only stears could consider this map as "based on researches" :D:D:D:D

http://www.crossculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Cultural_Map_World_7001.jpg

only lewis model is based on researches, and associate you with everything non western

Idiot. Map is based on researches from German Universities, but I doubt you as a Balkanite can understand what Central Europe means.

[brennus dux gallorum]

I don't believe it. When people in Hungary say western Europe they think of England, Germany, France etc, never Greece.

for that reason I said western Europeans ussually consider us western

and i repeat, I don't self-identify as western and see no benefit in terms of being western or eastern, I think both are equal and both tend to collapse as terms

and the only sure is that no pure west or east exists, maybe except of extreme cases like England or Russia

i guess the same goes for Hungary (central sharing both western and eastern traits)

Greece is associated with Southern Europe like italy or Iberia, sharing both western and Eastern traits

[Grishnack]

A recent one more detailed map of haplogroup Q

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FGO9wOaosF8/U40equhyFAI/AAAAAAAAClY/BSLFiU1yoys/s1600/qhaplogroupeurope.png

Why do you think the Scandinavians have so much Q?

[brennus dux gallorum]

Idiot. Map is based on researches from German Universities, but I doubt you as a Balkanite can understand what Central Europe means.

I have seen the source of the map and the author is not even academic, and according to lewis model you are more associated with "balkanites" than me, and this last model is based on research:thumb001:

[Stears]

Sure, I didn't claim that. I thought you meant it was eastern European. Norwegians refer to it as "syden" meaning the south, but that's a term used by Norwegians which was basically invented. Everything from Thailand to Spain can be "syden", but I'd say southern Europe is the most accurate, sure. However Hungarians are much more eastern Europeans than Greeks are. Culturally and looks wise.

You confused Hungarians for Romanians.

[Antimage]

western Europeans ussually consider us western
but this what I dont believe. On what basis would Greece be western european? Certainly not on basis of geography

[Stears]

I have seen the source of the map and the author is not even academic, and according to lewis model you are more associated with "balkanites" than me, and this last model is based on research:thumb001:
Greece is not different than other Balkan states. Or do you still live in classical era ? You had Byzantine-Ottoman history, and you have eastern orthodox religion. You had no reneissance no humanism no industrialization (however reneissance appeared in Hungary immediately after it appear in Italy).

Being not occupied by Russians doesn't change fact you are part of Balkan culture.

[Grishnack]

Greece is not different than other Balkan states. Or do you still live in classical era ? You had Byzantine-Ottoman history, and you have eastern orthodox religion. You had no reneissance no humanism no industrialization (however reneissance appeared in Hungary immediately after it appear in Italy).

Being not occupied by Russians doesn't change fact you are part of Balkan culture.

There was a time in history when Orthodox people were far more advanced than Catholics. Then came the Ottomans and everything went to shit.

[brennus dux gallorum]

but this what I dont believe. On what basis would Greece be western european? Certainly not on basis of geography

socio-culturally, as Southern, sharing both western and eastern traits, with western being slightly more. We have certainly not many in common with Finland, but we are still associated with mediterranean countries, something not common for eastern Europe

As I said,I guess the same goes for hungarians (for both western and eastern traits, not for being Southern)

[brennus dux gallorum]

Greece is not different than other Balkan states. Or do you still live in classical era ? You had Byzantine-Ottoman history, and you have eastern orthodox religion. You had no reneissance no humanism no industrialization (however reneissance appeared in Hungary immediately after it appear in Italy).

Being not occupied by Russians doesn't change fact you are part of Balkan culture.

We had Byzantine and ottoman era (like you had, as a whole, parts of Greece didn't) along with Venetian and Catalan era, as well as Bavarian era (the most recent of all), and never had any "balkan era"

yet, we don't self-identify considering who occupied us, we have our own identity, which includes classical era

your first sentence shows you ignorance, as even balkanic countries are different from each other, I guess Greece with more naval history and contacts with mediterranean Europe is much more different from balkans than you are, yet I see no benefit of being Hungarian than being Balkan, or anby problem of being balkan (with exceptions like Albania)

as for your information, we had both industrialization and humanism, and partially rennaisance, not to mention that we partially brought renneisance in Europe (see emmigre Scholars)

we on contrary lacked communism, which is the most recent influence, the rest happened from 1000 to 2 centuries ago

[Stears]

There was a time in history when Orthodox people were far more advanced than Catholics. Then came the Ottomans and everything went to shit.

Only Greek-speaking Byzantines were advanced for short period of time (later they became sharply decadent, before Turks came), other orthodox Balkan sheperds like Vlachs and Slavs like Russians have been always backward. That's the truth.

[Stears]

blablabla uuu buuu

Byzantine era in Hungary ? I have never heard about that .....Bavarian era in Greece ? Do you think about some imported monarch from 19th century ? Laughable clown.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Byzantine era in Hungary ? I have never heard about that .....Bavarian era in Greece ? Do you think about some imported monarch from 19th century ? Laughable clown.

:picard2:

no, idiot, you were not so lucky to have a byzantine era, read my sentence better, don't worry you have never been associated to Greco-Roman world
As for the bavarian era, as long as you judge someone according to who rules him, yes, laughable clown

[Stears]

Political map of Balkan 1827
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/1827_Finley_Map_of_Turkey_in_Europe%2C_Greece_and_ the_Balkans_-_Geographicus_-_TurkeyEurope-finley-1827.jpg

Deal with it .(and don't post laughable amateur made maps by internet historians)

[brennus dux gallorum]

Deal with a... political map of balkans in 1827..

May i ask why?:rolleyes:

and which of the maps i posted is made by internet historians?

[Stears]

Deal with a... political map of balkans in 1827..

May i ask why?:rolleyes:
It clearly showed where your semi-asian orthodox culture belongs

[akuros]

Greece is not different than other Balkan states. Or do you still live in classical era ? You had Byzantine-Ottoman history, and you have eastern orthodox religion. You had no reneissance no humanism no industrialization (however reneissance appeared in Hungary immediately after it appear in Italy).

Being not occupied by Russians doesn't change fact you are part of Balkan culture.

i'm agree with this man

[brennus dux gallorum]

It clearly showed where your semi-asian orthodox culture belongs

apart from the fact that orthodox culture doesn't exist and that the only officially semi-asian uralic culture in Europe is yours, what makes this map showing where I belong? what's is sop important about year... 1827 mr intelligence?

[Stears]

apart from the fact that orthodox culture doesn't exist and that the only officially semi-asian uralic culture in Europe is yours, what makes this map showing where I belong? what's is sop important about year... 1827 mr intelligence?

Idiot. Uralic language family does not exist (it is just hypotesis without enough evidence). Finno-Ugric languages developed in Europe unlike IE languages which came from deep Asia. You are genetically less European too.
wannabe Western clown, you're laughable :)))

[Stears]

The tragedy of Central Europe by Milan Kundera
https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2016/MEB404/um/Kundera_1984.pdf

[brennus dux gallorum]

https://lizardpoint.com/geography/images/maps/xeurope-west-labeled.gif.pagespeed.ic.8VBRzwy5sG.png
lol Take me down to western Europe to educate myself about.. who is Eastern, who is western and who is...Semi-asian :cool:

[Stears]

https://lizardpoint.com/geography/images/maps/xeurope-west-labeled.gif.pagespeed.ic.8VBRzwy5sG.png
lol Take me down to western Europe to educate myself about.. who is Eastern, who is western and who is...Semi-asian :cool:

Cold war era map. Shows how stupid you are. You have more in common with Russians (they took up your semi-asian Byzantine culture and religion) than Hungarians have. Deal with it monkey.

[brennus dux gallorum]

lol Stears is such an intelligent professor, he even discovered a semi-asian culture in Russia and a European-developed Uralic identity, and no, cold war never counts:D

BTW should someone inform him that the first man in space was a... Russian?

[Grishnack]

Only Greek-speaking Byzantines were advanced for short period of time (later they became sharply decadent, before Turks came), other orthodox Balkan sheperds like Vlachs and Slavs like Russians have been always backward. That's the truth.

I wouldn't call that a "short period of time". Anyway, the fact that the barbarious hordes from the West sacked Constantinople didn't help either. It is considered that the sack of Constantinople was the beggining of the end for the Byzantines. It's way more nuanced than you think.

[brennus dux gallorum]

I wouldn't call that a "short period of time". Anyway, the fact that the barbarious hordes from the West sacked Constantinople didn't help either. It is considered that the sack of Constantinople was the beggining of the end for the Byzantines. It's way more nuanced than you think.

better tell him that both of us are semi-asian so he can sleep peacefully tonight

[Stears]

I wouldn't call that a "short period of time". Anyway, the fact that the barbarious hordes from the West sacked Constantinople didn't help either. It is considered that the sack of Constantinople was the beggining of the end for the Byzantines. It's way more nuanced than you think.


Romani-an. IS the Nomadism your highly developed orthodox culture?

VLACHS (Romanians) WERE THE LATEST NOMADIC ETHNIC GROUP IN EUROPE, the vast majority of Romanian population preserved its nomadic lifestyle and heritage until the end of 16th century. They were known as late - nomadic people in medieval chronicles. The first romanian vlach churches were built only around the turn of the 13th and 14th century. No known archiutecture existed before that period. The romanian literacy and their earliest chronicles appeared only in the early 17th century (Grigore Ureche's chronicle). USE Google books! (The word's largest digitalized library, the largest collection of printed books) See the google book results (search the british american candian authors about medieval romanians Vlachs):


Link to the book:
https://books.google.com/books?id=bRZaCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA12&dq=romanians+nomad+vlach+-romani+-gypsy&hl=hu&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwikreS0gsDLAhUsEJoKHVa7B884ChDoAQgrMAI#v =onepage&q=romanians%20nomad%20vlach%20-romani%20-gypsy&f=false


B. Fowkes (2002) : Ethnicity and Ethnic Conflict in the Post-Communist World -PAGE: 12


"That curious minority, the Vlachs of the Balkans, for example, were on the face of it Romanians ('Wallachians') but in fact the name was also applied to Slavs who shared the same pastoral, nomadic life as the Romanian shepherds."


Link to the book:
https://books.google.com/books?id=_q14xoaXj1UC&pg=PA181&dq=are+held+to+be+interlopers+who+were+nomadic+she pherds+that+migrated+into+Transylvania&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2t46kkMLLAhXCkg8KHYWzDuIQ6AEIGzAA#v=on epage&q=are%20held%20to%20be%20interlopers%20who%20were% 20nomadic%20shepherds%20that%20migrated%20into%20T ransylvania&f=false


Norman Berdichevsky (2004): Nations, Language and Citizenship -page: 181.


"The “true Romanians” are held to be interlopers who were nomadic shepherds that migrated into Transylvania from the ... then transferred to “Wallachia,” the traditional core area of the Romanian state located east and south of Transylvania."


Link to the book:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Xoww453NVQMC&pg=PA128&dq=romanians+nomad+vlach+-romani+-gypsy&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwikreS0gsDLAhUsEJoKHVa7B884ChDoAQhYMAg#v =onepage&q=romanians%20nomad%20vlach%20-romani%20-gypsy&f=false


Victor Roudometof (2002): Collective Memory, National Identity, and Ethnic Conflict: Greece, Bulgaria, and the Macedonian Question - PAGE: 128


"The Vlachs are mainly pastoral nomads dispersed among the states of Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, and Romania. Since they are Orthodox Christians, they have mostly become part of the predominantly Eastern Orthodox ..."




Link to the book:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=WDRzBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA309&dq=%22nomadic+vlachs%22+-roma+-gypsy&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiP2KihoMDLAhWnZpoKHc0qBrwQ6AEIKTAC#v=on epage&q=%22nomadic%20vlachs%22%20-roma%20-gypsy&f=false


Roumen Daskalov, ?Alexander Vezenkov - 2015: Entangled Histories of the Balkans - Volume Three: Shared Pasts, Disputed Legacies PAGE: 309


"Zlatarski adds an a priori statement that the very thought of an uprising could occur only to Bulgarian local notables or voivods, not to the nomadic Vlachs, who he says were at a low level of cultural development"


Link to the book:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kpEc8ltyqnUC&pg=PA408&dq=nomadic+wallachians++-romani+-gypsy+-roma&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiunZGSicDLAhUqCZoKHWckBsAQ6AEIRTAG#v=on epage&q=nomadic%20wallachians%20%20-romani%20-gypsy%20-roma&f=false


Rob Humphreys, ?Susie Lunt, ?Tim Nollen - 2002 : Rough Guide to the Czech & Slovak Republics - Page 408


"Wallachian culture As far as anybody can make out, the Wallachs or Vlachs were semi-nomadic sheep and goat farmers who settled the mountainous areas of eastern Moravia and western Slovakia in the fifteenth century."




Link to the book:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=YXwUAQAAIAAJ&q=%22wallachians+were%22+nomadic&dq=%22wallachians+were%22+nomadic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjuw6y1l8DLAhWlNJoKHREED8gQ6AEILzAE


Marek Koter, ?Krystian Heffner - 1999 : Multicultural regions and cities - Page 164


"Nomadic shepherds from the Balkan Peninsula (Wallachians) were moving along the bow of the Carpathians in search of new pastures. "


Link to the book:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=108MAQAAMAAJ&q=%22wallachian+people%22+nomadic&dq=%22wallachian+people%22+nomadic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcoez8l8DLAhWqA5oKHcdnCLgQ6AEIHDAA


Marek S. Szczepañski Wydawn. Uniwersytetu Œl¹skiego, Jan 1, 1997 - Ethnic Minorities & Ethnic Majority: Sociological Studies of Ethnic Relations in Poland -PAGE: 325
"They were just the Wallachian people (nomadic tribes from the present Romania) from who contemporary Lemks descended; it should be testified by both the elements of material culture, similarities of customs and languages"


Link to the book:
https://books.google.com/books?id=owY4AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA251&dq=into+Walachia+and+continued+their+pastoral+and+ semi-nomadic+life+in+Transylvania+and+the+Carpathian+Mo untains.&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8x-avo8DLAhWkdpoKHVjzArQQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=into%20Walachia%20and%20continued%20their%20past oral%20and%20semi-nomadic%20life%20in%20Transylvania%20and%20the%20C arpathian%20Mountains.&f=false


Normal J. G. Pounds - 1976 - : An Historical Geography of Europe 450 B.C.-A.D. 1330, Part 1330 -PAGE: 251


"The chief importance of the Vlachs lies, however, in the possible relationship to the Romanians. ... Ages, crossed the Danube into Walachia and continued their pastoral and semi-nomadic life in Transylvania and the Carpathian Mountains."

[Sekkmer]

Stears 4 public figure IRL. :1127:

[MikeCraft]

Pontid Turanid could be.

[StonyArabia]

Tatar or Cuman

[Iloko]

Only thru these forums have I discovered how Asian-influenced Romanians can be in phenotype lol

[aherne]

Only thru these forums have I discovered how Asian-influenced Romanians can be in phenotype lol

My niece looks very similar to OP girl. Both her and her father have epicanthic eyefolds and also look like Turanid mixed with Pontid. This mix is common

[Stears]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LCTXK6K9sA

[Odin]

Pontid + Turanid.

[Kitkouach]

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsbf.jpg (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsbf)

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsbg.jpg (http://funkyimg.com/view/2rsbg)[/QUOTE]

He gives me a Thai vibe :D Can pass as fully asian to me. His sister looks mixed Eurasian. She looks fully asian in the second pick, but it's more about cultural way to make-up/hairdressing than phenotype itself.
It's very interesting they don't have any Asian known ancestry, even more if all of their brothers and sisters share the same specificity, but I would put my hand to cut they have (it would says that asian genes are really persistent lmao)

Anyway, they are beautiful ^^

[zhaoyun]

GTFO. This bitch Kazakh.

[Daco Celtic]

She looks hapa. Like half Romanian, half Vietnamese.

[Dna8]

Don't some European people just have a slightly different fold of the eye, but nonetheless one within the Euro spectrum?

Perhaps this chick just has a more exaggerated, but nonetheless European eye-fold..

[aherne]

Turanid mainly mixed with Pontid/Alpine. Passes best as Turk... Brother looks Med/Alpine mixed with Turanid. Even more typical Turk

[ixulescu]

Asian traits are visible among Romanians. More than 5% of the Romanians show such traits, women more than men.

The group in this picture is not typical, but not super-rare either, in Romania:

http://i68.tinypic.com/ih37fr.png

[Zmey Gorynych]

Daughter of Berke Khan. Despite what our resident gook expert, Aherne, says this is not common.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Interesting..

[Rgvgjhvv]

This woman is an exact clone of this other woman who is half Italian half Filipino:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsak.png
https://scontent.fyto1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1782076_10153805275190175_1557076199_n.jpg?_nc_cat =109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyto1-1.fna&oh=b7b959de761d0ce5d9f11e05fcc835fa&oe=5CC15DB8

So not sure what to say :lol:

[Zmey Gorynych]

This woman is an exact clone of this other woman who is half Italian half Filipino:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2rsak.png
https://scontent.fyto1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1782076_10153805275190175_1557076199_n.jpg?_nc_cat =109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyto1-1.fna&oh=b7b959de761d0ce5d9f11e05fcc835fa&oe=5CC15DB8

So not sure what to say :lol:
The girl in the OP has a more pronounced inner epicanthic fold.

[Rgvgjhvv]

The girl in the OP has a more pronounced inner epicanthic fold.

Which makes even less sense :lol:

[aherne]

That's why I don't trust genetic tests when it comes to population ancestry: in Romania's case, there is ample historical evidence of Turkic settlement throughout more than a thousand years, from Huns in 6th century AD to Tatars in 21st century AD. Based on that, I find it extremely UN-surprising that some Romanians look Asian and a mere 2% Asian admixture is out of the question. Real number should be somewhere around 5-10%. Lower than Turks, but enough to pop up consistently...

[Dna8]

That's why I don't trust genetic tests when it comes to population ancestry: in Romania's case, there is ample historical evidence of Turkic settlement throughout more than a thousand years, from Huns in 6th century AD to Tatars in 21st century AD. Based on that, I find it extremely UN-surprising that some Romanians look Asian and a mere 2% Asian admixture is out of the question. Real number should be somewhere around 5-10%. Lower than Turks, but enough to pop up consistently...

Do you think think that Huns or Cumans and Pechenegs left more of a genetic impression on Romania?

[farcas]

99244

What about this beauty? She's so pretty. I think her looks is to be found in Muntenia (Wallachia) region. Here in Transylvania there also are some asian-looking persons but they looks somewhat different.

[Chris596]

Very interesting.. Maybe this is why I have so high Balkan result and elevated east asian too (local people + tribes from the east). Makes sense to me. (just as Kaspias has told me)

Who knows what happened hundreds of years ago.

[Seya]

lol Denisa Potecaru
https://www.instagram.com/potecaru_denisa/

[aherne]

99244

What about this beauty? She's so pretty. I think her looks is to be found in Muntenia (Wallachia) region. Here in Transylvania there also are some asian-looking persons but they looks somewhat different.

She looks like a light SE Asian. Straight mongoloid and very atypical...

[Chelubey]

That's why I don't trust genetic tests when it comes to population ancestry: in Romania's case, there is ample historical evidence of Turkic settlement throughout more than a thousand years, from Huns in 6th century AD to Tatars in 21st century AD. Based on that, I find it extremely UN-surprising that some Romanians look Asian and a mere 2% Asian admixture is out of the question. Real number should be somewhere around 5-10%. Lower than Turks, but enough to pop up consistently...
I am not a expert in genetics, but given that races have been formed over the last several tens of thousands of years, just a small number of genes are responsible for racial characteristics. Volga Tatars look more eastern than Udmurts, but Udmurts are more eastern in genetics.