Sardinia is genetically more similar to Italy or Spain?

[Annie999]

Any info on this?

[Guru]

My guess is Italy but have no info on this sry

[alnortedelsur]

I guess that is in between. In genetic plots they are very apart from both though.

[Petalpusher]

Depends, to northern Spain/Basque, N.Italy is closer. To southern Spain and Portuguese, they are closer to it but minor differences. Rest of Italy beyond Tuscan isn't particularly close.

[Bell Beaker]

Sardinians and Iberians <3

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

If anyone knows the answer is Master Apricity Sikeliot, expert in Secilian and Sardinian affairs.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

"Who passes better in this Sardinian night club? Iberians or Italians?" :lol: According to history I would say I would say Italians but genetics doesn't always care about history.

[Sikeliot]

Iberia, but not particularly close to either. They are an isolate population. Iberians are similar to northern Italians genetically. Southern Italians closer to western Jews, Cretans and Cypriots.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Iberia, but not particularly close to either. They are an isolate population. Iberians are similar to northern Italians genetically. Southern Italians closer to western Jews, Cretans and Cypriots.

What about Corsica?

[Sikeliot]

What about Corsica?

They are like central Italians with a Sardinian shift.

[Iltirbas]

Sardinians are not particularly close to either group genetically speaking, their lack of ANE pretty much makes them a distinct population within the West Eurasian cluster.

[Percivalle]

Any info on this?

It depends on the kind of PCA, but they are distant and isolated using the HGDP sample, and actually there is an internal variability in Sardinia and a larger cluster unrepresented by the HGDP sample.

http://i.imgur.com/gZvMpLg.png

http://i.imgur.com/IXdapgi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BQ6jf9R.png

http://i.imgur.com/IkAJ44y.png

[Sikeliot]

It depends on the kind of PCA, but they are distant and isolated using the HGDP sample, and actually there is an internal variability in Sardinia and a larger cluster unrepresented by the HGDP sample.

http://i.imgur.com/gZvMpLg.png


Who are the yellow in the Middle East cluster? They are not far from southern Italians so I assume they might be Cypriot?

[Ibericus]

North Sardinians are closer to Italians.

[Enflamme]

Neither of the two, they are genetically Sardinian, endpoint.

[Sikeliot]

North Sardinians are closer to Italians.

They might have historical influence from the mainland that other regions did not get.

[Iloko]

Not sure if this might be helpful:

http://i.imgur.com/xSdOThN.png

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Not sure if this might be helpful:

http://i.imgur.com/xSdOThN.png
How is it closer to spanish than italians when italians have migrated to sardinia? Since roman times also

[Iloko]

How is it closer to spanish than italians when italians have migrated to sardinia? Since roman times also
Not really sure, you'd have to ask @Petalpusher - @Sikeliot - @de Burgh II - etc, as I'm not as familiar with Euro genetics/history as I am with SE-Asia/Asia :lol: ...I would love to know myself though!

let's see what those members might reply/say..

[SardiniaAtlantis]

How is it closer to spanish than italians when italians have migrated to sardinia? Since roman times also

The ancient substrate of Balari people which settled part of the island were said to originate from Iberia maybe this has something to do with it then of course there was a long history of Aragone-Spanish control for 400 years which did not do too much to influence the genetics however.

[Annie999]

Not sure if this might be helpful:

http://i.imgur.com/xSdOThN.png

Very interesting, this matches what people have already said that Sardinia is a thing on its own, but according to this map its slightly closer to Iberians. In fact iberians and N.Italians are more similar to each other than to Sardinia.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

The ancient substrate of Balari people which settled part of the island were said to originate from Iberia maybe this has something to do with it then of course there was a long history of Aragone-Spanish control for 400 years which did not do too much to influence the genetics however.

I look up wiki. What is the relationship between these groups and balari. Its catagorized like they are subsets of balari
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Corsican_and_Sardinian_tribes#Sard inia


Balares (Balari)
-Euthicani
-Giddilitani
-Lucuidonenses/Lugudonenses (Lugudonensi), they dwelt south of the Carenses and the Cunusitani and north of the Æsaronenses
-Nurrenses (Nurrensi), in Nurra territory, not the same tribe as the Norenses/Noritani)

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I look up wiki. What is the relationship between these groups and balari. Its catagorized like they are subsets of balari
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Corsican_and_Sardinian_tribes#Sard inia

Balari covered a fairly large region this is breaking them up into their different tribes. Btw the larger territory was controlled by the people known as Iliensi who are said to have been descendants of the Trojans.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Balari covered a fairly large region this is breaking them up into their different tribes. Btw the larger territory was controlled by the people known as Iliensi who are said to have been descendants of the Trojans.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliensi&prev=search

On wiki it says they were nuraghe

[SardiniaAtlantis]

The Iliensi and Balari settled before the Nuraghic age developed which is marked by the Nuraghic towers which were the largest structures in the world before the great pyramid of Giza was built.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

The Iliensi and Balari settled before the Nuraghic age developed which is marked by the Nuraghic towers which were the largest structures in the world before the great pyramid of Giza was built.

who are Longonenses? The northern part of sardinia looks like it comes from corisca but where do these people come from before corsica? The Lestricones also

[Voskos]

spain.

[GiCa]

true not cherry-picked sardinians. they dont look neither italian neither spanish; they are darker than both italians and spanish groups.
and they are indeed since they lack the north european genetic those goups have instead

judge yourself. they dont look like us, nor they look spanish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTayLWr8MRk

damn those dances. what a style. true sardinian hard style :rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::whoo::whoo::whoo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSDjJ_0YaHU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78r1dI7Ln7g

[JohnSmith]

Corsica?

[SardiniaAtlantis]

who are Longonenses? The northern part of sardinia looks like it comes from corisca but where do these people come from before corsica? The Lestricones also

The Longonenses were in the Santa Teresa di Gallura and yes their culture was tied to the Corsican one. All of these people you could call proto-Nuraghic

[Ülev]

I2a1 (m26)

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/gothorum1/kerava/I2a1%20wersja%202_zpstx77tkel.jpg

[SardiniaAtlantis]

true not cherry-picked sardinians. they dont look neither italian neither spanish; they are darker than both italians and spanish groups.
and they are indeed since they lack the north european genetic those goups have instead

judge yourself. they dont look like us, nor they look spanish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTayLWr8MRk

damn those dances. what a style. true sardinian hard style :rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::whoo::whoo::whoo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSDjJ_0YaHU
Not all Sardinians are darker than mainland Italians, and at any moment we could take a picture of a group of mainland Italians and compare to a picture of a group of lighter Sardinians and claim Sardinians are lighter there is variation so it's a silly thing to even consider, also no individual Sardinian looks alien in continental Italy.

[GiCa]

Not all Sardinians are darker than mainland Italians, and at any moment we could take a picture of a group of mainland Italians and compare to a picture of a group of lighter Sardinians and claim Sardinians are lighter there is variation so it's a silly thing to even consider, also no individual Sardinian looks alien in continental Italy.

% sardinians are by true statistic pre-globalization statistics the italians with the higher % of dark hair

[SardiniaAtlantis]

% sardinians are by true statistic pre-globalization statistics the italians with the higher % of dark hair

I didn't realize you were talking about hair color. I am familiar with that statistic, now I'm going to go practice a ballu brincau. :)

[GiCa]

I didn't realize you were talking about hair color. I am familiar with that statistic, now I'm going to go practice a ballu brincau. :)

i talk about hair color. sardianans are proved by pre globalization statistics to be the italians with the higher % of dark hair

and it's true since i ve confirmed it many times in my life meeting sardinians who live in my region

[Enflamme]

i talk about hair color. sardianans are proved by pre globalization statistics to be the italians with the higher % of dark hair

and it's true since i ve confirmed it many times in my life meeting sardinians who live in my region

But genetically, you know at least that the Tuscans descend from a certain population? :p


*mode troll on*

[Septentrion]

i talk about hair color. sardianans are proved by pre globalization statistics to be the italians with the higher % of dark hair

and it's true since i ve confirmed it many times in my life meeting sardinians who live in my region

Yes as a whole. Sardinians are as a whole darker-haired and darker-eyed than the Italian average.

[JohnSmith]

Yes as a whole. Sardinians are as a whole darker-haired and darker-eyed than the Italian average.

Italic people are originally from Eastern/Central Europe and they migrated down the Italian Peninsula. The Islands probably have a different migration pattern.

[Iloko]

https://i.imgur.com/pCyAHKG.png

[Mens-Sarda]

Yes as a whole. Sardinians are as a whole darker-haired and darker-eyed than the Italian average.

To my eyes it looks that people like Neapolitans, Calabrians, Sicilians and southern Italians in general are a lot darker than us.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes as a whole. Sardinians are as a whole darker-haired and darker-eyed than the Italian average.

Not true, South Italians are darker than Sardinians.

[Hudayar]

AFAIK Sardinians are a very isolated people. They're also very close to Ancient Anatolians.

[JMack]

AFAIK Sardinians are a very isolated people. They're also very close to Ancient Anatolians.

Ancient =/= from modern Anatolians.

According to my observations Sardinians have more dark-haired and dark-eyed people than mainland South Italy, but they have more Western Euro/Western Med features than many Calabrese and Sicilians, who have more Dinaro-Med. Also, a small minority of people in Sicily, Campania and Calabria can have Armenized features that are absent in Sardinia.

Pugliese and Abruzzese are definitely lighter than Sardinians.

[Mens-Sarda]

AFAIK Sardinians are a very isolated people. They're also very close to Ancient Anatolians.

It depends

About 11-15% of population carries haplogroup G2a, very common in Caucasus, expecially in Georgia, 37-45% of population is I2a1 which is pre-IE; about 25-22% is R1b, common in north-eastern Sardinia due to Corsican migration after XVth century.

[GiCa]

Not true, South Italians are darker than Sardinians.

of Hair colour sardinains are the darkest italians

and about skin, in my life i've encountered many olivish and woggish sardinians.

afaik pure west med is a woggish olivish phenotype and probably a short statured and gracile too

as Gracile Med light bony structure is the most prevalent type in sardinia

[GiCa]

more sardinians


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92zxbqIlbJ8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMJs39pCAF8&list=RDtMJs39pCAF8&t=2

[Sikeliot]

Ancient =/= from modern Anatolians.

According to my observations Sardinians have more dark-haired and dark-eyed people than mainland South Italy, but they have more Western Euro/Western Med features than many Calabrese and Sicilians, who have more Dinaro-Med. Also, a small minority of people in Sicily, Campania and Calabria can have Armenized features that are absent in Sardinia.

Pugliese and Abruzzese are definitely lighter than Sardinians.

Sardinians look more Iberian to me than they look collectively Italian. On the other hand, Apulians have strongly Greek features. Calabria and Sicily, in my opinion, differ from both.

[GiCa]

Sardinians look more Iberian to me than they look collectively Italian. On the other hand, Apulians have strongly Greek features. Calabria and Sicily, in my opinion, differ from both.

we are talking about colors

sardinians are the darkest haired italians (pre globalization statistics on world war italian soldiers plus actual personal life expereince and contacts)

of skin they are darker than central italians, and i d say darker than campanians and apulians perhaps on average

all the full sardinians i ve met minus three of them all had a sligh burnt or light brown/olivish natural skin color, certainly i've never lived in sardinia nor i ve done many trips there, but olivish and dark exotic features are easy to find althought most people have normal standard light skin

one of my best friend since childhood, i know her for about 24 years; is half tuscan (mum) half sardinian (dad) from the town of Gonnesa

she s normal light skin like me and normal dark brown haired; her mother skin is sensitive althought she s brown haired she s one of those who Always burn in the sun; her dad is the classical sterotyped gracile med with dolicocephaly, oval face, dark hair, 170 tall, gracile and slender boned, his skin has a year round well tan althought he s not proper olivish

her sister instead is a wog concentrate, black hair ald brown skin she would never look like 100% tuscan

[Septentrion]

Genetically Sardinians are closer to the people of the Iberian Peninsula or Southwestern Europe than they are to the people of mainland Italy particularly the Italian from northern and central regions.

[Septentrion]

Sardinian Genome entirety:
Southern Europe (76%)
Northern Africa (11%)
Western & Central Europe (4%)
Jewish Diaspora (3%)
Southwest Asia & Persian Gulf (3%)
Asia Minor (2%)

[GiCa]

The only 4% north European says all to us
And also it says that pure west med phenotype is nothing European like looking but a general dark and wog Caucasoid phenotype

West med is totally European my Ass, it s nothing like European or what people think Europeans are

To add that it peaks in Basques, Sardinians but also North African Maghreb says it All

[Septentrion]

Not true, South Italians are darker than Sardinians.

Sorry, the truth need to be told! Sardinians are indeed the darkest-pigmented Italians!! Despite the fact that Italians are already as a group darker than most European groups. No region of even Southern Italy may be darker-haired or darker-eyed than Sardinia!!!!

Italy national average in pigmentation:
Hair Colour:
Red = 0.6%
Blonde = 8.2%
Brown = 60.1%
Black = 31.1%

Eye Colour:
Blue = 10.3%
Gray = 20.6%
Brown = 60.4%
Black = 6.7%

Vs

Sardinia

Hair Colour:
Red = 0.2%
Blonde = 1.7%
Brown = 43.5%
Black = 54.6%

Eye Colour:
Blue = 4.0%
Gray = 9.9%
Brown = 66.4%
Black = 19.7%

[GiCa]

Indeed

Of hair color they are the darkest

Of skin color it s another thing

Thought we Don the have autosomal results for their skin color, based on my life human contacts Sardinians are for sure more dark skinned than central Italians

As with South Italy VS Sardinia someone from Abruzzo Basilicata and perhaps non costal Campania has on average less olived skin people

[Septentrion]

Tuscan Genome ( Mainland north-central Italy):
Southern Europe = 59%
Western & Central Europe = 28%
Asia Minor = 4%
Eastern Europe = 3%
Jewish Diaspora = 2%
Northern Africa = 2%

Iberian ( Spain & Portugal) genome:
Southern Europe = 74%
Northern Africa = 9%
Jewish Diaspora = 5%
Western & Central Europe = 5%
Asia Minor = 4%
Great Britain & Ireland = 2%

Now we can see that despite the fact that the Sardinian and Iberian are definitely not identical by all means but are more similar. In this, I mean looking at the Southern Europe and Northern Africa genetic components, Iberia and Sardinia are much more similar to each other.

[Cristiano viejo]

Sorry, the truth need to be told! Sardinians are indeed the darkest-pigmented Italians!! Despite the fact that Italians are already as a group darker than most European groups. No region of even Southern Italy may be darker-haired or darker-eyed than Sardinia!!!!

Italy national average in pigmentation:
Hair Colour:
Red = 0.6%
Blonde = 8.2%
Brown = 60.1%
Black = 31.1%

Eye Colour:
Blue = 10.3%
Gray = 20.6%
Brown = 60.4%
Black = 6.7%

Vs

Sardinia

Hair Colour:
Red = 0.2%
Blonde = 1.7%
Brown = 43.5%
Black = 54.6%

Eye Colour:
Blue = 4.0%
Gray = 9.9%
Brown = 66.4%
Black = 19.7%
Cool story.


Tuscan Genome ( Mainland north-central Italy):
Southern Europe = 59%
Western & Central Europe = 28%
Asia Minor = 4%
Eastern Europe = 3%
Jewish Diaspora = 2%
Northern Africa = 2%

Iberian ( Spain & Portugal) genome:
Southern Europe = 74%
Northern Africa = 9%
Jewish Diaspora = 5%
Western & Central Europe = 5%
Asia Minor = 4%
Great Britain & Ireland = 2%

Now we can see that despite the fact that the Sardinian and Iberian are definitely not identical by all means but are more similar. In this, I mean looking at the Southern Europe and Northern Africa genetic components, Iberia and Sardinia are much more similar to each other.

Cool story.

[Mens-Sarda]

we are talking about colors

sardinians are the darkest haired italians (pre globalization statistics on world war italian soldiers plus actual personal life expereince and contacts)

of skin they are darker than central italians, and i d say darker than campanians and apulians perhaps on average

all the full sardinians i ve met minus three of them all had a sligh burnt or light brown/olivish natural skin color, certainly i've never lived in sardinia nor i ve done many trips there, but olivish and dark exotic features are easy to find althought most people have normal standard light skin

one of my best friend since childhood, i know her for about 24 years; is half tuscan (mum) half sardinian (dad) from the town of Gonnesa

she s normal light skin like me and normal dark brown haired; her mother skin is sensitive althought she s brown haired she s one of those who Always burn in the sun; her dad is the classical sterotyped gracile med with dolicocephaly, oval face, dark hair, 170 tall, gracile and slender boned, his skin has a year round well tan althought he s not proper olivish

her sister instead is a wog concentrate, black hair ald brown skin she would never look like 100% tuscan

I'm not surprised that you think Sardinians are all dark, if your term of reference is one man who comes from Gonnesa! (ah ah ah) in the extreme south west, in the territory of Sulcis, inhabited by those we nicknamed "Maurreddinos" (little moors). Unu maurreddinu nieddu que su tithone! You also admit that you have been to Sardinia just few times, probably only during summer and only at the beach where you saw only tanned people.

Sardinians can be very diverse, from the mediterranean type you are talking about (that is common only in south Sardinia) from every spectrum of white skin color. The most common type is with light skin, light brown or black hair (straight), light brown eyes.

in the same village you can see mediterranean types, normal light skinned people and almost nordic people :


https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13882341_10209782636539864_8149709183499055461_n.j pg?oh=3c1f41ef12e64274bbd88091367970a6&oe=5AAEE5BE

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21761826_2063847726973972_87729679665889376_n.jpg? oh=5ef610bdeba3b36e460c5809a8ed3e2e&oe=5A659329



https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11229833_1074008332629184_9135651924189574439_n.jp g?oh=403de4c366c3949e404518b47af6154a&oe=5A68BA1D

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18402781_1667393969957281_3026442253876159858_n.jp g?oh=ea90fa329b3175a1ed8e9e36a415b987&oe=5AAAE1CB

(it's the same girl above)
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14449957_1408836432479704_2662721195680244441_n.jp g?oh=c7c992e27e038ac318a97b2bff92c79f&oe=5A76BBB7


(those below are three sisters, two are blond and with light eyes, the other light brown and light brown eyed)
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22008232_798529907024332_6038121963381853604_n.jpg ?oh=18a0bf11579a7d2b72ef4468b08b6008&oe=5AAD9F93

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23116835_396160254151903_8738767956652201580_o.jpg ?oh=9e222976b038615c49145b0872025c57&oe=5A7636E9

[Bobby Martnen]

Any info on this?

They're a genetic isolate population - I believe they are the source for West Med in Eurogenes.

They're not close to any other group except Corsicans, who are shifted to North Italy.

[Bosniensis]

I'm not surprised that you think Sardinians are all dark, if your term of reference is one man who comes from Gonnesa! (ah ah ah) in the extreme south west, in the territory of Sulcis, inhabited by those we nicknamed "Maurreddinos" (little moors). Unu maurreddinu nieddu que su tithone! You also admit that you have been to Sardinia just few times, probably only during summer and only at the beach where you saw only tanned people.

Sardinians can be very diverse, from the mediterranean type you are talking about (that is common only in south Sardinia) from every spectrum of white skin color. The most common type is with light skin, light brown or black hair (straight), light brown eyes.

in the same village you can see mediterranean types, normal light skinned people and almost nordic people :


https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13882341_10209782636539864_8149709183499055461_n.j pg?oh=3c1f41ef12e64274bbd88091367970a6&oe=5AAEE5BE

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21761826_2063847726973972_87729679665889376_n.jpg? oh=5ef610bdeba3b36e460c5809a8ed3e2e&oe=5A659329



https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11229833_1074008332629184_9135651924189574439_n.jp g?oh=403de4c366c3949e404518b47af6154a&oe=5A68BA1D

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18402781_1667393969957281_3026442253876159858_n.jp g?oh=ea90fa329b3175a1ed8e9e36a415b987&oe=5AAAE1CB

(it's the same girl above)
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14449957_1408836432479704_2662721195680244441_n.jp g?oh=c7c992e27e038ac318a97b2bff92c79f&oe=5A76BBB7


(those below are three sisters, two are blond and with light eyes, the other light brown and light brown eyed)
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22008232_798529907024332_6038121963381853604_n.jpg ?oh=18a0bf11579a7d2b72ef4468b08b6008&oe=5AAD9F93

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23116835_396160254151903_8738767956652201580_o.jpg ?oh=9e222976b038615c49145b0872025c57&oe=5A7636E9


What is the most common phenotype among Sardinians?

[Mens-Sarda]

What is the most common phenotype among Sardinians?

Light skinned people, often very fair, with light brown or black straight hair. The so called "mediterranean" olive skinned and with curly black hair is not common as strangers think, it becomes common in the southern areas which were more exposed to invasions and colonizations.

P.S.
What is sure is that Sardinia is genetically isolated, but more similar to Iberians than to Italians. When I see Italians on tv, to my eyes most of them seem total strangers, with weird facial features and with wrong head shapes that I've never seen here in Sardinia.

[Leto]

Look more Iberian to me
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rHiuiikr50o/VB-A33GSEZI/AAAAAAAAGew/lEckqsxNPbY/s1600/sardinians%2Bsardinian%2Bpeople%2B(2).JPG

[Thot Whisperer]

Spain

[QUICAS]

Close to north italians probably

[Marmara]

I would also say Iberia. They also don't look MENA unlike some mainland Italians like this

http://www.manbunhairstyle.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/A-front-view-picture-of-an-italian-guy-with-a-man-bun-undercut-and-a-thick-beard-style.jpg

[GiCa]

Enough of nordicism. Dark Sardinians can look menas like this alien imigrant in Tuscany of sardinian orgin

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Francesco_Arca.jpg/220px-Francesco_Arca.jpg

[Marmara]

Enough of nordicism. Dark Sardinians can look menas like this alien imigrant in Tuscany of sardinian orgin

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Francesco_Arca.jpg/220px-Francesco_Arca.jpg

Nordicism? Since when are Iberians Nordic?

[GiCa]

Nordicism? Since when are Iberians Nordic?

That dark face is allocton to Tuscany. And he looks mena.

[Percivalle]

I would also say Iberia. They also don't look MENA unlike some mainland Italians like this

http://www.manbunhairstyle.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/A-front-view-picture-of-an-italian-guy-with-a-man-bun-undercut-and-a-thick-beard-style.jpg

Do you know his real name?

According to this, his name is Dave. Dave isn't an Italian name.

https://i.imgur.com/yxkvyxn.png

[Marmara]

That dark face is allocton to Tuscany. And he looks mena.

Yes he's quite strange looking. I wouldn't place him in Middle East. Maybe North African. The mainlander I posted above however looks very Levantine Arab to me.

[Marmara]

Do you know his real name?

According to this, his name is Dave. Dave isn't an Italian name.

https://i.imgur.com/yxkvyxn.png

I don't know his name. A name like Dave doesn't sound Mediterranean at all, but he clearly is one.

[GiCa]

Yes he's quite strange looking. I wouldn't place him in Middle East. Maybe North African. The mainlander I posted above however looks very Levantine Arab to me.

What do a Turk pretend to know better than me. How many Sardinians have you met in your real life?: 0.

Me, instead how many Sardinians have I met in my real life? Close to 100.

They can look very middle Easter and foreign when they are dark.


And yes. That man looks straight from Damascus:
http://gallery-cdn.tiscali.it/repository/1550/650x468/1549716.jpg

[Percivalle]

I don't know his name. A name like Dave doesn't sound Mediterranean at all, but he clearly is one.

So you don't know if that guy is Italian or mainlander or what. The fact that some site includes him in a list of Italian haircuts and bla bla ba means nothing, because in those lists there are even British models.

[GiCa]

I don't know his name. A name like Dave doesn't sound Mediterranean at all, but he clearly is one.

Dave IS Not an Italian name.

[Marmara]

What do a Turk pretend to know better than me. How many Sardinians have you met in your real life?: 0.

Me, instead how many Sardinians have I met in my real life? Close to 100.

They can look very middle Easter and foreign when they are dark.


And yes. That man looks straight from Damascus.

Pretend to know Sardinians better than you? No, but I know Middle-East better.

I'm not even discussing pigmentation, just the facial features. Sardinian guy has the nose I see often on Iberians and even French.

[GiCa]

Pretend to know Sardinians better than you? No, but I know Middle-East better.

And I know Real Sardinians. Not those Cherrypicked online.

[Token]

Closer to Italy, particularly Southern Italy.

[Marmara]

And I know Real Sardinians. Not those Cherrypicked online.

I'm not really contesting on them being darker than mainlanders.

[Voskos]

italy by far.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm not really contesting on them being darker than mainlanders.

Sardinians are not darker than South Italians.

[Marmara]

Sardinians are not darker than South Italians.

They might be

[Sikeliot]

Sardinians are not darker than South Italians.

They are, but they have less Near Eastern features.

[Mens-Sarda]

Closer to Italy, particularly Southern Italy.

Not really, more to Iberia



And I know Real Sardinians. Not those Cherrypicked online.


Me, instead how many Sardinians have I met in my real life? Close to 100.


certainly I've never lived in sardinia nor I've done many trips there

We have a real expert about Sardinians! She even met 100 Sardinians; so all the other 1,7 millions must look like those she met. Elementary Watson!


P.S.
Still talking of this myth of Sardinians darker than southern Italians? Italians themselves have no idea of how the average Sardinian look since they come here only during summer to remain on the beaches or in the villages for tourists along the coast, villages populated mostly by strangers and tanned people, never travelling into the heart of the island where real Sardinians live.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Still talking of this myth of Sardinians darker than southern Italians?

Even that of southern Italians all with brown skin is a myth.

[Mens-Sarda]

Even that of southern Italians all with brown skin is a myth.

I don't doubt it

[Cuoppo]

sardinians from alghero, catalan city of sardinia

they can pass in southern Italy

https://i.imgur.com/3Xqd0pt.jpg

[Mens-Sarda]

sardinians from alghero, catalan city of sardinia

they can pass in southern Italy

https://i.imgur.com/3Xqd0pt.jpg

You couldn't choose a worst example. Half of people of Alghero have Catalan ancestors, most of the fishermen are Campanians or Sicilians, and there is a full village (Fertilia) belonging to the comune of Alghero inhabited by descendants of Istrian or Dalmatian refugees. The native Sardinians in Alghero are a minority.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

You couldn't choose a worst example. Half of people of Alghero have Catalan ancestors, most of the fishermen are Campanians or Sicilians, and there is a full village (Fertilia) belonging to the comune of Alghero inhabited by descendants of Istrian or Dalmatian refugees. The native Sardinians in Alghero are a minority.

Yes but let's get serious, Sardinians aren't that much different from the rest of south Italians regarding pigmentation or skin color. As far as the question of the thread is concerned, I think that "genetically" Sardinians can be more similar to all types of Iberians and even some North Africans than, for example, to a Sicilian. Being born and raised in a northern Italian city that is literally a melting pot, I personally met some Sardinians (they also had those particular surnames ending with u) and their skin color was like that of the rest of the southern immigrants, that they were not from Campania or from Calabria you understood it from other things.

[Mens-Sarda]

Yes but let's get serious, Sardinians aren't that much different from the rest of south Italians regarding pigmentation or skin color. As far as the question of the thread is concerned, I think that "genetically" Sardinians can be more similar to all types of Iberians and even some North Africans than, for example, to a Sicilian. Being born and raised in a northern Italian city that is literally a melting pot, I personally met some Sardinians (they also had those particular surnames ending with u) and their skin color was like that of the rest of the southern immigrants, that they were not from Campania or from Calabria you understood it from other things.

Phenotypes in Sardinia can be highly heterogeneous, you can find mediterraneans, atlantids, alpinids, berids, even people with almost nordic look etc.etc. distributed in the whole territory but with different percentages in the various sub-regions of the island. Most of those with mediterranean look come from the southern provinces, where that kind of look is quite common; it becomes less common when you start to move away from the coasts and you go to the mountainous regions at the centre-north of the island.

[Leto]

Enough of nordicism. Dark Sardinians can look menas like this alien imigrant in Tuscany of sardinian orgin

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Francesco_Arca.jpg/220px-Francesco_Arca.jpg
Is this supposed to be a purely Neolithic person? Any other photos? He looks like a damn wog!

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Is this supposed to be a purely Neolithic person? Any other photos? He looks like a damn wog!

Sardinians are isolated and are the most Neolithic of all, and in Sardinia you can find people with lighter skin than that guy. Having darker or lighter skin does not make you less Neolithic or more Neolithic. This is always him:

http://www.gossipetv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/francesco-arca-300x225.jpg

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Marco Carta has a look that I associate stereotypically to Sardinians.

[Marmara]

Phenotypes in Sardinia can be highly heterogeneous, you can find mediterraneans, atlantids, alpinids, berids, even people with almost nordic look etc.etc. distributed in the whole territory but with different percentages in the various sub-regions of the island. Most of those with mediterranean look come from the southern provinces, where that kind of look is quite common; it becomes less common when you start to move away from the coasts and you go to the mountainous regions at the centre-north of the island.

Interesting a people with 1.7 million population and rather isolated genetics can have diverse looks.

[Leto]

Sardinians are isolated and are the most Neolithic of all, and in Sardinia you can find people with lighter skin than that guy. Having darker or lighter skin does not make you less Neolithic or more Neolithic. This is always him:

http://www.gossipetv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/francesco-arca-300x225.jpg
Yes, I know about them. I was asking about that particular person. In the other photo he looks different, much more Italian to me. She seems to have picked the worst picture :rolleyes:
https://judebgallery.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/allacciate-m-cu.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Sardinia is genetically closer to Spain.

[Percivalle]

Is this supposed to be a purely Neolithic person? Any other photos? He looks like a damn wog!

He is tanned in that pic. He tans very easily, but his natural pigmentation is lighter.

He has a distinctive Sardinian look when untanned.


https://i.imgur.com/MzN3kgx.png

http://www.caffeinamagazine.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/francesco-arca-sacrificio.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IgOzx63.jpg

[MinervaItalica]

I would also say Iberia. They also don't look MENA unlike some mainland Italians like this

http://www.manbunhairstyle.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/A-front-view-picture-of-an-italian-guy-with-a-man-bun-undercut-and-a-thick-beard-style.jpg

He might be Turkish and not Italian at all. I would check carefully.

[Mens-Sarda]

Marco Carta has a look that I associate stereotypically to Sardinians.

Marco Carta is the real stereotype of what we call "unu maurreddinu" :laugh: (a little moor; the nickname we use for those with dark mediterranean look who live in the south-western corner of the island.)

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Marco Carta is the real stereotype of what we call "unu maurreddinu" :laugh: (a little moor; the nickname we use for those with dark mediterranean look who live in the south-western corner of the island.)

Yes lol, but Mr. Carta isn't super dark skinned.

[Mens-Sarda]

Yes lol, but Mr. Carta isn't super dark skinned.

Also facial traits fit in the category

[GiCa]

Sardinians are not darker than South Italians.

They are definitely darker than abruzzese, non costal Campanians, non costal Lucanians. And of course darker than Central and North Italians.

[GiCa]

Anyway, to Me they Don t look similar to none of those groups.

Just similar on south Italians for a general darker than average pigmentation.

[Mens-Sarda]

They are definitely darker than abruzzese, non costal Campanians, non costal Lucanians. And of course darker than Central and North Italians.

Based upon your vast knowledge of 100 Sardinians?

[Cristiano viejo]

GiCa is expert posting the darker pictures that she could find. I was pretty sure the real skin colour of that Sardinian was much lighter than what she posted.

[Mens-Sarda]

GiCa is expert posting the darker pictures that she could find. I was pretty sure the real skin colour of that Sardinian was much lighter than what she posted.

Perhaps she had problems with some Sardinian ex-boyfriend, it looks like a personal crusade. Gica the white valkyrie vs the dark evil Sardinians. :valkyrie:

[Ajeje Brazorf]

GiCa is expert posting the darker pictures that she could find. I was pretty sure the real skin colour of that Sardinian was much lighter than what she posted.

There are many Sardinians in my city and I can assure you that their skin color is the same as the rest of the southern immigrants.

[Mens-Sarda]

They must be from Cagliari! :laugh:

[Ajeje Brazorf]

They must be from Cagliari! :laugh:

Dio porco, persino i sardi sono nordicisti su TA!

[Mens-Sarda]

Dio porco persino i sardi sono nordicisti su TA!

Fuori dall'isola non è una cosa nota, ma ci sono quasi 800 anni di rivalità tra nord e sud, in particolare tra Sassari e Cagliari. Come cane e gatto. La geografia impervia dell'isola, divisa a metà dalle montagne ha prodotto diverse mentalità, diverse lingue Sarde, diverso look, diversi stili di abiti e musica tradizionali etc.etc.

[GiCa]

Perhaps she had problems with some Sardinian ex-boyfriend, it looks like a personal crusade. Gica the white valkyrie vs the dark evil Sardinians. :valkyrie:

I Don t like much Gracile med or berid men wich you have tons.

Never had a sardinian Boyfriend become none of them I saw was particular attracted to.

All of my bfs were genetically 100% Tuscans

Also because of mentality. Sardinians tends to be possessive men if they come straight from their island. That a bit slightly. Than also different mindset wich i find not as compatible with me as the one of my local men

I prefer more easy liberal men like tuscans

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Fuori dall'isola non è una cosa nota, ma ci sono quasi 800 anni di rivalità tra nord e sud, in particolare tra Sassari e Cagliari. Come cane e gatto. La geografia impervia dell'isola, divisa a metà dalle montagne ha prodotto diverse mentalità, diverse lingue Sarde, diverso look, diversi stili di abiti e musica tradizionali etc.etc.

Va bene, ma i sardi non sono né più scuri né più chiari rispetto alla gente del sud.

[GiCa]

Va bene, ma i sardi non sono né più scuri né più chiari rispetto alla gente del sud.

Forse qualche siciliano e calabrese, dipende da che zona può essere più scuro della media sarda. Ma ad esempio già i campani Dell entroterra, gli abruzzesi e i lucani Dell entroterra sono tendenzialmente poco mediterranei e più chiari dei sardi.

[Mens-Sarda]

Va bene, ma i sardi non sono né più scuri né più chiari rispetto alla gente del sud.

L'aspetto dei Sardi è molto eterogeneo, non sono tutti uguali, anche se la gente fuori pensa che siano tutti mediterranei con la carnagione olivastra; in realtà non è cosi.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Forse qualche siciliano e calabrese, dipende da che zona può essere più scuro della media sarda. Ma ad esempio già i campani Dell entroterra, gli abruzzesi e i lucani Dell entroterra sono tendenzialmente poco mediterranei e più chiari dei sardi.

Ho dei compagni di classe mezzi sardi: una mezza calabrese, l'altro mezzo pugliese ed entrambi hanno la pelle chiara. La stronzata del sud marrone e i sardi più bianchi è giusto un altro prodotto di TA.

[GiCa]

L'aspetto dei Sardi è molto eterogeneo, non sono tutti uguali, anche se la gente fuori pensa che siano tutti mediterranei con la carnagione olivastra; in realtà non è cosi.

Lo stereotipo ha un grosso fondo di verità. Non tutti sono Gracili con i capelli scuri, ma se rapportati ai 2/3 o più Dell a penisola italiana lo sono.

Contami i non Gracili e castani scuri nei loro video dei balli.. Pochi.

https://youtu.be/bybuV0upzIc

https://youtu.be/xgsJ1w02FOs

https://youtu.be/WR15u-bVIX8

[Mens-Sarda]

Come già detto, l'aspetto è molto eterogeneo, e possono esserci molte differenze tra una regione e l'altra dell'isola. Ad esempio, da queste parti per trovare uno con la faccia di Marco Carta devi andare a cercarlo col cane molecolare. La maggiorparte della gente ha capelli castani o castano chiari, o neri ma con carnagione molto chiara.

Qualcosa del genere :

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11990609_899183000117798_6516309008083220626_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHzpTuubK5SyhuBZhxz5ysT4zPrnBrRn9eaahvkD TbYLqVk5rGoKZH_L1khtrBTn3CjCqiUnhw0aZYTt7or74x5A2Q SXps65Ouk15-pE20Ang&oh=7ed6250a0e00a19567af9f2cfeb56de5&oe=5B90B834

[GiCa]

Come già detto, l'aspetto è molto eterogeneo, e possono esserci molte differenze tra una regione e l'altra dell'isola. Ad esempio, da queste parti per trovare uno con la faccia di Marco Carta devi andare a cercarlo col cane molecolare. La maggiorparte della gente ha capelli castani o castano chiari, o neri ma con carnagione molto chiara.

Qualcosa del genere :

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11990609_899183000117798_6516309008083220626_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHzpTuubK5SyhuBZhxz5ysT4zPrnBrRn9eaahvkD TbYLqVk5rGoKZH_L1khtrBTn3CjCqiUnhw0aZYTt7or74x5A2Q SXps65Ouk15-pE20Ang&oh=7ed6250a0e00a19567af9f2cfeb56de5&oe=5B90B834

È comunque Gracile med dinarid

Ha il naso più grande di una casa.

Ah no.. I sardi hanno tutti i nasi piccoli microscopici.

... No.

[Mens-Sarda]

È comunque Gracile med dinarid

Non so quanto gracile, sarà alto più di 1,85 e piuttosto robusto.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

È comunque Gracile med dinarid

Ha il naso più grande di una casa.

Ah no.. I sardi hanno tutti i nasi piccoli microscopici.

... No.

I sardi non sono affatto mediterranei, no no... Tra Mente Sarda e l'altro tipo Ascra (tra l'altro appoggiati dagli iberici) pare di stare in una succursale del Cottolengo.

[Mens-Sarda]

I sardi non sono affatto mediterranei, no no... Tra Mente Sarda e l'altro tipo Ascra (tra l'altro appoggiati dagli iberici) pare di stare in una succursale del Cottolengo.

Probabilmente voi avete un diverso concetto di mediterraneo

[FilhoV]

On Gedmatch, Andalusia is the 2nd population but at a distance of 20

[Acubens]

Sardinians aren't darker than South Italians imo. The ones I've seen were on the same spectrum. But you hardly find Sardinians like Abate or Eva Riccobono, blonde and blue eyed South Italians. The average is similar, the difference is that South Italians are more phenotypically varied, with more northern looking people and more MENA looking types. Sardinians are more uniformly Mediterranid.

The guy who said Sardinians are like Northern Italians never visited Northern Italy or Sardinia lol. Sardinians and North Italians look nothing alike.

[Mens-Sarda]

Sardinians aren't darker than South Italians imo. The ones I've seen were on the same spectrum. But you hardly find Sardinians like Abate or Eva Riccobono, blonde and blue eyed South Italians. The average is similar, the difference is that South Italians are more phenotypically varied, with more northern looking people and more MENA looking types. Sardinians are more uniformly Mediterranid.

The guy who said Sardinians are like Northern Italians never visited Northern Italy or Sardinia lol. Sardinians and North Italians look nothing alike.

You can also find blonde and blue eyed Sardinians like those you mentioned, it's not the commonest phenotype, but it's present (expecially in the central and northern areas of the island). The Sardinian's phenotype can be very diverse throughout the territory and also within the same families.


Classify these three Sardinian sisters with different look, they live in a village of north-western Sardinia, 20km from me :



The Blonde (it's her natural hair color)
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13533110_1146145058770890_6495830843691482910_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeG7FGJS7ePltfDqv1gSUM3bCgwfg3l12r42SSJ4z WYNELPj1tJoxWXipdJnJ3zHmVHPubeMjPRzfr5N8eKUKZARpeV d5b5qqj3ezF8S7qaetA&oh=492566dcb69aa8eedc82d50e788b93c3&oe=5B7A5960

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1234298_601023313283070_1490706186_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeFbbWLVWty-Q6i2RMjyQTK6WwtP0ThdXVpX2azsXFUqh9Nv6col_YiJ96dXPs DmrAwq9yThuXdT60HWKI8CEBk7wBOb8mrHcCpfrjx_vjnKcQ&oh=a9c9cfc55bdebfc6f912d066542b8b48&oe=5BBF02B9

The Brunette
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26731030_429295774171684_4065469915239406061_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHSKI7LF7gycwOL01aL26NFM9o6VfXmGgb7hk6b_ KaBnpuT3EnNWg70dCeD0Vxp1wUM3fpLiOt7lUp25WzUIxIjxin RF_EysZwJNw7AntxKkg&oh=a8f892eb08a255e27f1bb25bf1763038&oe=5B7F1934
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26804848_424886511279277_6002810207658549583_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHhCZV6-ySd69KIaz5X-G2UCCUV69ExkxEFfVmxG-QrQP5XiS_RN78EvAXrAy7ysiBHrU25LCRoQNZKp-VN-qNx77HGU4wXJG7KEA8JT5SH2Q&oh=823da040942e8fe331c51dd8b542c466&oe=5BB80D94

The Younger
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23130950_816465988564057_7849557522058413252_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHvarW9nGNQg2hz2ddc3CsWTgNxepq6YafLCXOIv t3d1LzozjqmUSFfLMRlvgxBgjCx_a_nkBr0gDafDyoXTR2XAI8-cIDX8-tb017KDtlIHQ&oh=24b4ff4dfac567e200319e578500d445&oe=5B7F7ED7

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24852129_835281646682491_4171506608783261923_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeEZTqmza_T_1vEZO9p8bF3f8K8xaJntN6OruPCLb p8enZbKSdIKDvOdHXMIW6jIknpTQlTUs7c5WtXvgwj07XrF7dd 4apgqw3HwWSydvrzv_w&oh=3d8014f151f47ef74d67f3349f910c48&oe=5BC04128

[Kenshiro]

To my eyes it looks that people like Neapolitans, Calabrians, Sicilians and southern Italians in general are a lot darker than us.

it depends on the area, if I have to make a comparison between my area of origin (Gargano, North East Apulia) I have seen more light hair people compared to Sardinia, but if we are talking about Calabria or Sicily it is quite likely that they are darker, I would say area Sannio-Northern Puglia and Molise/Abruzzo are lighter than Sardinia but Calabria/Naples/Sicily/Basilicata and the rest of Puglia honestly i don't know, but the area between Molise and Puglia seems to be one of the areas with the highest percentage of yamanya according to haak et al, so I don't know
129961
My dna confirm this
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.1457% / 0.02145706
40.2 TUR_Barcin_N
32.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
4.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.2 WHG
0.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Jarawa
0.2 Nganassan
For me 99% of Sardinians can easily pass through Italy, especially in the central-south, also because Berid, Gracile med and Atlanto-med phenotypes are present also in Italy
Sardinia is a beautiful land, I am totally falling in love with its history and its ancient mythology, truly beautiful land and beautiful people