Are men threatened by successful women?

[MissMischief]

I was reading a thread on here when I bumped into this post:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207588-men-start-to-get-uglier-after-the-age-of-21&p=4342176&viewfull=1#post4342176


No man has ever had an erection because their girlfriend is a corporate attorney or a surgeon. That's not what attracts us to women. If anything that causes many men to pass over women. Most men don't want to be with a woman who is more accomplished than themselves.

That made me think.... are most guys really turned off or intimidated by smart, high-achieving, successful women? If yes, how come? Is it because they make you feel inferior or inadequate as a man or breadwinner? Do men prefer ditsy, mousey, weak women who play nice at being told what to do? :confused:

Perhaps men find the typical female stereotype of having a woman to run the house, look after the children and cook and clean for them, far sexier? Or maybe they still want to feel like they are needed and have the power and control that comes with being the main income earner.

If your girlfriend/wife were to earn more than you, would this damage your self-esteem and ego?

Fellas, put this one to rest for me :p

[frankhammer]

Psychobabble. If you've got the female bits, we're into you.

[catgeorge]

Agree with Frank.. my partner is a uni qualified lawyer with alien-like brains pity she has never worked as one, I would like her too though but dont think she would want to now. its a womans duty to challenge her man in the right way

[RN97]

From a evolutionary standpoint it's quite easy to realize that men like to be the protector and provider. It probably represses a man's natural urge if he is not exactly that. That's why having a thing for very strong/ muscular women is a peculiar fetish and not normal. I think that in the modern world if a man is successful himself he can see past his instincts using rational thought to realize that having a smart and successful spouse is not only good for him, but also for his off-spring. I think this sentiment is more for less successful men. I don't think most men that are something like a plumber would thrive in a relationship with a brain surgeon. The same can be said for women though. Unknowingly you prefer, taller, stronger and smarter men due to women's natural instinct to pick out someone that can protect them and their off-spring.

[War Chef]

A woman dressed in business attire is a huge turn-on
because she thinks very highly of herself
& its a challenge to bring her down to reality
challenge accepted.

[Guru]

I disagree with the quote heavily!!!

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I was reading a thread on here when I bumped into this post:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207588-men-start-to-get-uglier-after-the-age-of-21&p=4342176&viewfull=1#post4342176



That made me think.... are most guys really turned off or intimidated by smart, high-achieving, successful women? If yes, how come? Is it because they make you feel inferior or inadequate as a man or breadwinner? Do men prefer ditsy, mousey, weak women who play nice at being told what to do? :confused:

Perhaps men find the typical female stereotype of having a woman to run the house, look after the children and cook and clean for them, far sexier? Or maybe they still want to feel like they are needed and have the power and control that comes with being the main income earner.

If your girlfriend/wife were to earn more than you, would this damage your self-esteem and ego?

You misread what you're quoting (the person you're quoting, btw, has incredible insight).

Men are not 'intimidated' by high achieving, successful women. Their success is fine as long as it doesn't over shadow that of her significant other. There are degrees of accomplishment.

To add to the brilliant words of the brilliant man you're quoting (if I'm allowed to be so bold), there aren't many women who feel comfortable being more accomplished than their significant other. It makes them think they're settling for less.

[de Burgh II]

Its a matter of perspective and person's own personal preference. I have no qualms considering other equals regardless of gender because they are truly doing what makes them personally happy in life. Nevertheless, simply put, its all male ego. Since they want to maintain their sense of masculinity/sense of self-esteem; in order to not be an "effeminate wimp" or someone to be trampled all over. That is looked down upon especially if its a woman that is a threat to a man's ego/sense of pride of being the dominant one or the provider per se.

Which is understandable because this is how men evolved to be hardwired; as protectors and providers for their family. That deviates from the traditional notion of male and female roles.

[Oneeye]

Hell, women can even be our boss and we'd want to fuck them. But it's probably more short term rather than long term. After all, she is a go better.

The man would have to have something to bring to the table to make it a balanced relationship. What does such a woman look for in a man?

[Hadouken]

nonsense . at least for me

[Antimage]

nope

if a woman is intelligent/smart , have class and is successful it's a turn on, if anything. For me at least.

Dumping her because she gets promoted or have higher salary than me sounds ridiculous

[Deymark]

I was reading a thread on here when I bumped into this post:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207588-men-start-to-get-uglier-after-the-age-of-21&p=4342176&viewfull=1#post4342176



That made me think.... are most guys really turned off or intimidated by smart, high-achieving, successful women? If yes, how come? Is it because they make you feel inferior or inadequate as a man or breadwinner? Do men prefer ditsy, mousey, weak women who play nice at being told what to do? :confused:

Perhaps men find the typical female stereotype of having a woman to run the house, look after the children and cook and clean for them, far sexier? Or maybe they still want to feel like they are needed and have the power and control that comes with being the main income earner.

If your girlfriend/wife were to earn more than you, would this damage your self-esteem and ego?

Irrelevant.The men that care about their's partner job are insecure of themselvs and should lower their dating standard.

[Guru]

Hell, women can even be our boss and we'd want to fuck them. But it's probably more short term rather than long term. After all, she is a go better.

The man would have to have something to bring to the table to make it a balanced relationship. What does such a woman look for in a man?

For women men's personality is the most important in that case I suppose and maybe charisma but anyway, if a man is a boss and has sex with a woman he is accused of sexual harassment, why it doesn't work in the opposite cases, women hate sex or sth ??

[Harley]

From my experience with past partners, they were threatened by my intelligence and the fact I was more successful than them at the time, which is solely attributed to being hard working and loyal.

I think my choice to settle for them spoke volumes on how I felt about males psychologically. Currently, my partner is more successful than myself. I'm currently working from home as an illustrator and copywriter. He appreciates the qualities I have and it adds to our relationship rather than creating an adversarial dynamic between us. I don't have to worry about being happy that I'm doing something well with my current partner because he won't attack me for it.

When I think of these things, I remember when I wanted to attend college, I took an assessment test for placement. After 7 years of no school, I scored 4th year honors English placement. I showed my ex husband and he snatched the paper from my hand, crumpled it in his fist, and said, "Do you think you're better than me? You think that shit means something?" Then threw it on the ground and stepped on it.

I felt ashamed when that happened. I have the belief that each person in a relationship is an extension of the other. I realize that I shackled myself to someone who wanted to be a loser, and I didn't want that to be my life.

[Wadaad]

if anything having a successful woman fall for you is a huge aphrodisiac and I imagine the sex is more fulfilling.

[zhaoyun]

I actually much prefer intelligent women. But I can see how a dumb guy would hate having a smarter woman constantly lord over him.

It really depends on the personal dynamics. But I would say that most men would not generally want a woman who has much greater social status than him.

[Wadaad]

Also I feel feminists use the 'I am toosuccessful' excuse to explain their failed relationships...when it isnt about success but rather someone who prioritizes career over relationship to climb the ladder. Whether male or female, the consequence is te same: you will be alone. Only thing is, career-oriented males cannot complain about this or it will seem like 1st world problems, also career oriented males can always visit escorts and prostitutes, but a career oriented woman will not be so satisfied by a gigolo or one night stand.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B-cx1Gi3Gc

[Harley]

Also I feel feminists use the 'I am toosuccessful' excuse to explain their failed relationships...when it isnt about success but rather someone who prioritizes career over relationship to climb the ladder. Whether male or female, the consequence is te same: you will be alone. Only thing is, career-oriented males cannot complain about this or it will seem like 1st world problems, also career oriented males can always visit escorts and prostitutes, but a career oriented woman will not be so satisfied by a gigolo or one night stand.

I agree with this, as whether a relationship is successful or not does depend on whether the priority is to make it work.

[Guru]

Every man who is afraid of women who are intelligent and by female empowerment is a loser himself who has nothing to offer and is scared that a woman will kick his ass totally destroying his ego :lmao

[zhaoyun]

Also I feel feminists use the 'I am toosuccessful' excuse to explain their failed relationships...when it isnt about success but rather someone who prioritizes career over relationship to climb the ladder. Whether male or female, the consequence is te same: you will be alone. Only thing is, career-oriented males cannot complain about this or it will seem like 1st world problems, also career oriented males can always visit escorts and prostitutes, but a career oriented woman will not be so satisfied by a gigolo or one night stand.

Most feminists are very difficult people to deal with and have massive chips on their shoulders. That's the main problem why their relationships don't work.

They typically gravitate towards very submissive, beta men, who are afraid to challenge their views. But then the irony is that their basic female senses aren't truly sexually attracted to these men, because of their effeminate traits, so then they are just unsatisfied but then blame their dissatisfaction on external factors rather than their own personality flaws.

[crazyladybutterfly]

yes they are and it is a dumb tactic. she would give them smart high functionning children she should be the most attractive type of woman if human psychology made any sense

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

For women men's personality is the most important in that case I suppose and maybe charisma but anyway, if a man is a boss and has sex with a woman he is accused of sexual harassment, why it doesn't work in the opposite cases, women hate sex or sth ??

Cuz the guy isn't going to walk into Human Resources and say, "Hey, I banged the vice president of the company. I'm going to sue for sexual harassment."

[Rethel]

Similarly can be asked: are women
atraccted to unseccessfull failing men?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Some people are blind to reality. Think of the people you know. How many of the guys are married to a woman that is more accomplished than them? Why is it men who are high up the ladder in a company are married with children, while the women with similar status far less so? Why is it that every study shows women in high status positions are unhappy in contrast to their male counterparts?

I'm simply the messenger. I can't manipulate reality. I accept the world as it is instead of pretending it is what I prefer.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Similarly can be asked: are women
atraccted to unseccessfull failing men?

but this makes sense . preferring a submissive weirdo over an accomplished women doesnt make any sense instead

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I keep seeing this ad of a shirlon steak. Its making me hungry

[Wadaad]

look at Bill O'Reilly. He has all the money in the world but shit personality and ZERO game. A man like Bill Oreilly cannnot complain about his lack of female companionship, he will sound weak as fuck if he starts complaining about his struggle, but suurely he has faced struggles choosing his career over devoting to a relationship, and he also copes by getting what he can get sexually, by using his position of power. Bill O'Reilly is the norm for male who are career driven...they end up lonely and divorced, and also sued when they get close to a female colleague because it is human nature to form bonds, but HR has to keep those bonds crushed or else productivity goes down the drain, and segregating is just too expensive and alien culturally for it to be implemented.

[Annie999]

Many men do feel intimidated by successful women. But I understand that; biologically speaking men are suppose to provide to the female, protect her, etc, if the woman is economical independent and self sufficient, weak men will feel like they're not good enough for them or simply not needed.

I kinda fall into the 'successful woman' category, and in my previous dating experience the men that felt threatened always had weak personalities. They usually had average jobs, no particular talents and were very simple overall. On the other hand, men who were not intimidated were always confident, smart, usually had a career, vocation, or talent.

IMO successful women who want to be in a relationship being actually 'famales', have no other option than to find successful, manly and CONFIDENT men for themselves. Otherwise weak men will be insecure around them and that's not even attractive to start with :shrug:

[ÁGUIA]

A strong, smart/intelligent, opinionated, independent woman, certain of her values and convictons, that is self aware of what she is, and what she wants no matter what. Someone who does not goes with the flow, that her beliefs are unshakable. It is a turn on for sure.
Concerning career wise, it's not that important. I prefer a go-getter rather than a parasite feeding herself from the host.
Met this woman a time ago, average looking, but on the other hand stunningly intelligent, interesting. Bringing to the table much more arguments than the average pretty face, immature instagram/facebook, silly girl of nowadays.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

look at Bill O'Reilly. He has all the money in the world but shit personality and ZERO game. A man like Bill Oreilly cannnot complain about his lack of female companionship, he will sound weak as fuck if he starts complaining about his struggle, but suurely he has faced struggles choosing his career over devoting to a relationship, and he also copes by getting what he can get sexually, by using his position of power. Bill O'Reilly is the norm for male who are career driven...they end up lonely and divorced, and also sued when they get close to a female colleague because it is human nature to form bonds, but HR has to keep those bonds crushed or else productivity goes down the drain, and segregating is just too expensive and alien culturally for it to be implemented.

O'Reilly was married and has a kid. He's divorced but divorce isn't uncommon. You're trying to turn this into your own agenda about the West and Capitalism. Career driven men are A personality types. They need their work. Relationships are secondary. These men can't be happy without their career. They suffer when they retire. Women need deep social bonds much more than men. Men can live without deep social bonds. They just need a blowjob every so often but then it's back to what they truly love: their career.

I can guarantee he didn't suffer choosing career over devoting to a relationship. He's not a woman.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Many men do feel intimidated by successful women. But I understand that; biologically speaking men are suppose to provide to the female, protect her, etc, if the woman is economical independent and self sufficient, weak men will feel like they're not good enough for them or simply not needed.

I kinda fall into the 'successful woman' category, and in my previous dating experience the men that felt threatened always had weak personalities. They usually had average jobs, no particular talents and were very simple overall. On the other hand, men who were not intimidated were always confident, smart, usually had a career, vocation, or talent.

IMO successful women who want to be in a relationship being actually 'famales', have no other option than to find successful, manly and CONFIDENT men for themselves. Otherwise weak men will be insecure around them and that's not even attractive to start with :shrug:

Thank you. You articulated the point perfectly.

[Wadaad]

O'Reilly was married and has a kid. He's divorced but divorce isn't uncommon. You're trying to turn this into your own agenda about the West and Capitalism. Career driven men are A personality types. They need their work. Relationships are secondary. These men can't be happy without their career. They suffer when they retire. Women need deep social bonds much more than men. Men can live without deep social bonds. They just need a blowjob every so often but then it's back to what they truly love: their career.

I can guarantee he didn't suffer choosing career over devoting to a relationship. He's not a woman.

Oh yes he did. All men in high positions suffer...their family also suffer, the children lose the dad to the job, the wife lose the husband to the job, etc. But a man cannot complain about what putting food on the table does to him. Bill OReilly cannot just complain after his divorce that he sacrificed everything for his career, he has to do what he has to do to bust a nut. The same with Bill Cosby...after a while, Bill Cosby got tired of the bs games, the small chit chat fakery alll the women he dealt with he had to put up with, not knowing whether they are interested in him for his personality, or for career advancement. He finally had enough and said, 'I rather they were temporary unconscious'. Of course, that was a very criminal way to cope, but it was indeed a cope.

[Guru]

A strong, smart/intelligent, opinionated, independent woman, certain of her values and convictons, that is self aware of what she is, and what she wants no matter what. Someone who does not goes with the flow, that her beliefs are unshakable. It is a turn on for sure.
Concerning career wise, it's not that important. I prefer a go-getter rather than a parasite feeding herself from the host.
Met this woman a time ago, average looking, but on the other hand stunningly intelligent, interesting. Bringing to the table much more arguments than the average pretty face, immature instagram/facebook, silly girls of nowadays.

Last sentence is next problem because many ppl dont take seriously attractive women who are smart, they think that beautiful woman is automatically stupid, I think its discriminating and unfair

[ÁGUIA]

Last sentence is next problem because many ppl dont take seriously attractive women who are smart, they think that beautiful woman is automatically stupid, I think its discriminating and unfair

Certainly not my case at all, smart is smart.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Oh yes he did. All men in high positions suffer...their family also suffer, the children lose the dad to the job, the wife lose the husband to the job, etc. But a man cannot complain about what putting food on the table does to him. Bill OReilly cannot just complain after his divorce that he sacrificed everything for his career, he has to do what he has to do to bust a nut. The same with Bill Cosby...after a while, Bill Cosby got tired of the bs games, the small chit chat fakery alll the women he dealt with he had to put up with, not knowing whether they are interested in him for his personality, or for career advancement. He finally had enough and said, 'I rather they were temporary unconscious'. Of course, that was a very criminal way to cope, but it was indeed a cope.

You clearly haven't been around many men in high positions or on their way up the ladder. They're super focused and intense as fuck. Everything else is of second importance and there is no 'oh, I wish I gave my kids and wife more time' moments. What you're doing is forcing your ideological peg ('productive Westerners fell for a soul wrenching trap') into the wrong peg hole instead of familiarizing yourself with personality types and what motivates people with those personality types.

[Grab the Gauge]

Successful women are considered undesirable for the following reasons:


1.) Pregnancy issues

In order to be successful, women have to delay pregnancy until later age in order to go to college and to climb the corporate latter. This results in delayed pregnancy, which presents risks of birth defects and diseases to the child. Late maternal age has also been identified as one of the causes of the skyrocketing rate of autism. In today's social climate, here is nothing a father fears more than having a child with autism. Many successful women will say they do not want to have children at all, something many men just won't be down with. Women who delay pregnancy are also at a very high riskmof developing mental health issues, which brings me to point #2:

2.) Behavioral disorders

Successful women have a very high rate of behavioral disorders. This is well-known from the constant headlines informing us of data, such as this:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329398/Women-suffer-mental-health-problems-men-stress-juggling-roles-according-study.html


Women suffer up to 40 per cent more mental health problems than men due to stress of juggling roles, study claims
Psychological disorders are 20% to 40% more common in women than men
Investigation found women are increasingly expected to function as carer, homemaker and breadwinner

We know from experience that women have better mental health and report higher rates of satisfaction when they are stay-at-home moms, than when they have a job. The stress of work also makes women physically unattractive, which brings me to point #3:


3.) Ugliness

https://cdn.meme.am/images/200x200/11011883.jpg

Successful women are likely to be uglier than women who are stay-at-home moms. The highly stressful corporate environment means that women's cortisol levels are likely soaring through the roof from having to balance the stress of all that success. Women with high cortisol are reported as being less attractive:


http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/9/4/20130255#aff-4

Cortisol also reduces women's fertility by acting as an estrogen blocker.

Being married to a successful woman can also cause stress for her husband, which brings me to point #4:

4.) Rape

It is reported than 1 in 3 women are sexually harrassed at work. Now.. Put yourself in the husband's shoes. Your wife goes to work for 8 hours a day in a sexually charged, prison-like environment where men are likely to be spaking women, and possibly even intimidating or seducing them in to sex. We know that in New York City, some of these women who work for big banks have been made in to sex slaves on the job. Can you imagine the stress of knowing your wife is at a workplace where she may be getting raped?

This brings me to point #5:

5.) Child abandonment

Of the few working women who have children, very few of them tend to spend much time around their kids. A child's necessity to bond with the mother is very important; working moms tend to just drop their kids off at daycare all day while going to work. A neglectful childhood has been connected to behavioral disorders and youth criminality.



There are some exceptions to this analysis. Many, if not all "successful women", such as Annie999 or metalAphrodite, are only "more successful" than their husbands because they collect more welfare, or receive more foodstamps. MetalAphrodite, for example, lives at "home" (she didn't specify who was paying the rent) all day and doesn't even have a real job. The dogma I have been told all my life is that women always make less money than men and are underrepresented in the higher workforce.

I have also forgotten to add the public risks that working moms present, which contributes to their stigmatization, such as high rates of dog ownership which annoys people, and the occassions on which junior goes on a kill rampage, because he was born autistic and hideous because mom was too old when she gave birth to him.

[Wadaad]

number 4 killed me :rofl:

[MsSPF]

I don't know about men but personally, I would feel a bit uncomfortable having a better salary/being more successfull than my partner.
I won't do a drama about it, it is not a deal breaker, especially if the gap is not significant but I have standards... naturally, most men and women go with someone with similar social background.

Except few cases with minor incidents, career/social success is often representative of someone's personality : charisma, related to hard working etc... and women easily make the connection falsely or rightly.

Laziness and sluggish personnalities are a big turn off... especially on men.
Or this is maybe just me ? I must be just too much energetic, I am not calm at all. :dance:

[Dandelion]

I don't know about men but personally, I would feel a bit uncomfortable having a better salary/being more successfull than my partner.
I won't do a drama about it, it is not a deal breaker, especially if the gap is not significant but I have standards... naturally, most men and women go with someone with similar social background.

Except few cases with minor incidents, career/social success is often representative of someone's personality : charisma, related to hard working etc... and women easily make the connection falsely or rightly.

Laziness and sluggish personnalities are a big turn off... especially on men.
Or this is maybe just me ? I must be just too much energetic, I am not calm at all. :dance:

In Nordic countries also exists the concept of stay-at-home dads while the woman is the breadwinner. It's a weird idea. As you're still the one getting pregnant and breastfeeding eventually.

[MsSPF]

In Nordic countries also exists the concept of stay-at-home dads while the woman is the breadwinner. It's a weird idea. As you're still the one getting pregnant and breastfeeding eventually.

No offence to people who practise that way of living... but this must be my worst nightmare :stop

[Dandelion]

No offence to people who practise that way of living... but this must be my worst nightmare :stop

It's so emasculating too. Reminds me of this Nordic man indirectly.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/07/15/32EF91E000000578-3528236-image-m-20_1460039286539.jpg

Economic realities make is such both men and women have to be breadwinners of course, but men tend to earn more because of the biological reality of their being more available during the course of their life. Just how it is. Nordics and their gender equality pushing often having their ideology outpace the reality. They tend to be like that leaving us with what most people would deem rather 'weird' or 'absurd'.

[Profileid]

i don't think men are threatened by successful women, well most normal men at least. If I was a dude, I wouldn't want some uptight career bitch as a wife though.

[TenaciousTopologist]

Not for me, but I do know this applies to some. Most of the women in my family are very successful so perhaps i'm normalized to it.

[Norse]

I am severely threathened by Italian women with Nordic features and blue eyes.

[Annie999]

i don't think men are threatened by successful women, well most normal men at least. If I was a dude, I wouldn't want some uptight career bitch as a wife though.

To assume all successful women are "uptight career bitches" is like assuming all stay at home moms are "lazy gold diggers".

[MsSPF]

It's so emasculating too. Reminds me of this Nordic man indirectly.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/07/15/32EF91E000000578-3528236-image-m-20_1460039286539.jpg

Economic realities make is such both men and women have to be breadwinners of course, but men tend to earn more because of the biological reality of their being more available during the course of their life. Just how it is. Nordic and their gender equality pushing often having their ideology outpace the reality. They tend to be like that leaving as with what most people would deem rather weird or absurd.

:clap:

There are biological and evident differences between men and women. Why people feel the need to switch genders/roles ?
This is natural balance.

[Profileid]

To assume all successful women are "uptight career bitches" is like assuming all stay at home moms are "lazy gold diggers".

I never said that. The entire point of that post was to make a distinction between the two.
At any rate, if it's financially possible, I think the mother should stay at home and raise the kids full time until they're old enough to go to school at least.

[Norse]

I really object to the idea of a "successful woman" being one who has some career job.

Why is that a success?

Lets say it like this, both men and women can be career drones, but only women can be the best mom in the world. Such a waste to be some career drone for a soulless corporation when you can create a beautiful family.

I'm not threathened by women with higher education or jobs, but I've found a high degree of bitchiness and being stuck up.

Edit: It's cool if women want to be career oriented, your choice, I just think many overestimate how cool it is to be work drone at 40 years old if you're not in top management by then.

[TenaciousTopologist]

I never said that. The entire point of that post was to make a distinction between the two.
At any rate, if it's financially possible, I think the mother should stay at home and raise the kids full time until they're old enough to go to school at least.

So I actually had a nanny for much of my childhood (both of my parents are/were very busy). My parents were still very involved (in a good way) in my life. I went to boarding school and across the country for college to boot, so I probably didn't get as much facetime with my parents as other children. I still turned out fine. So it depends on the parenting.

[ÁGUIA]

But how we determine if someone is successful or not. I mean does wealth really equals success?
Nowadays I'm in a job quite well remunerated (way above average Portuguese paycheck) with great perpectives of a good futur career, but if I was laboring in something else, let's imagine a smaller wage but much more fulfilling one. Would I be less or more fruitful? :noidea:
One thing is clearly to me I am more successful at doing social work for example, that at receiving my monthly fat pay check, at least I feel that way. I'm so underchieving in so many fields of life, and that is the truth.
I think is a misconception that money equals perforce to accomplishment. In today’s capitalistic/materialistic society, we often measure our success and self-worth by our assets or income, many of us are driven by money as first objective in life. To me that is a distortion of what life is/should be about. Having a bank account filled or having material possessions, of course is not a bad thing but measuring your life by it, it is.
The truth is we are not becoming any happier in our materialistic, hedonistic societies. In fact, once a person has enough income to live on, additional wealth has little impact on happiness. The important thing imo is have enough to not be a concern.

Note, I'm not saying that people should not be driven/ambitious, or should not seek improvement, and striving for more, it's the opposite actually. But I think our priorities are often misdirected, we look in the wrong sites, we blind ourselves sometimes intentionally by living meaningless lives.
For most of us, money has been a constant pursuit ever since we stepped out of college or started working. We have come to believe that once we have enough wealth, we can do anything we want and leading to a happy life. But we must also ask ourselves whether it is really money or happiness that we truly desire or if they are inherently linked.

Living fully and fulfilling life is the key for me. True success is living an authentic and suitable life to what one is. Success it's define in many ways and everyone of us has a different definition of it.
I don't know maybe it's me, I live my life by my rules and don't give a fuck about others or social conventions ... rebel me :bounce:

[Infinite]

But how we determine if someone is successful or not. I mean does wealth really equals success?
Nowadays I'm in a job quite well remunerated (way above average Portuguese paycheck) with great perpectives of a good futur career, but if I was laboring in something else, let's imagine a smaller wage but much more fulfilling one. Would I be less or more fruitful? :noidea:
One thing is clearly to me I am more successful at doing social work for example, that at receiving my monthly fat pay check, at least I feel that way. I'm so underchieving in so many fields of life, and that is the truth.
I think is a misconception that money equals perforce to accomplishment. In today’s capitalistic/materialistic society, we often measure our success and self-worth by our assets or income, many of us are driven by money as first objective in life. To me that is a distortion of what life is/should be about. Having a bank account filled or having material possessions, of course is not a bad thing but measuring your life by it, it is.
The truth is we are not becoming any happier in our materialist hedonistic societies. In fact, once a person has enough income to live on, additional wealth has little impact on happiness. The important thing imo is have enough to not be a concern.

Note, I'm not saying that people should not be driven/ambitious, or should not seek improvement, and striving for more, it's the opposite actually. But I think our priorities are often misdirected, we look in the wrong sites, we blind ourselves sometimes intentionally by living meaningless lives.
For most of us, money has been a constant pursuit ever since we stepped out of college or started working. We have come to believe that once we have enough wealth, we can do anything we want and leading to a happy life. But we must also ask ourselves whether it is really money or happiness that we truly desire or if they are inherently linked.

Living fully and fulfilling life is the key for me. True success is living an authentic and suitable life to what one you is. Success it's define in many ways and everyone of us has a different definition of it.
I don't know maybe it's me, I live my life by my rules and don't give a fuck about others or social conventions ... rebel me :bounce:

It was like reading review of self-improving book. Than you sir.

[Also]

Not wanting to be with someone doesn't mean being threatened by that person, most men just prefer women that are not so much career oriented.

[Mraz]

The purpose of marrying a woman is to have someone who will raise your kids and take care of you after working. There is no point at getting married to a CEO or absent woman except if you are a materialist.

[Deymark]

The purpose of marrying a woman is to have someone who will raise your kids and take care of you after working. There is no point at getting married to a CEO or absent woman except if you are a materialist.

tl;dr this user is intimidated by women.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

A generalization about Men like that simply cannot be made as attitudes and ideas on the matter are very much varied. When I finally decided to settle down and get married, (obviously this thread question is not referring to the fuck around days like many have mistakenly based their answers on) I did so without thinking about this. Now once I've settled in I do realize that I feel it is my duty to provide for the safety and security of my family, it has nothing to do with pride nor ego, but feels as a responsibility. My wife herself has began her own business and is doing quite well this far and I could not be more proud of her, her success keeps me on my toes. :)

Questi pensieri appartengono al sottoscritto, e non possono essere duplicati.

[The Destroyer]

99% of men are more succesful than 99% of women. Such situations would be extremely rare.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

99% of men are more succesful than 99% of women. Such situations would be extremely rare.

Maybe in Bosnia and similar nations but not in the West.

[The Destroyer]

Maybe in Bosnia and similar nations but not in the West.

If so, I am extremely happy that I don't live in the West. Long live the East. :D

[Anthropos]

Women rarely settle for someone of lower social status. Men however usually don't care what social status the woman enjoys. Personality is important though. And attractiveness.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

If so, I am extremely happy that I don't live in the West. Long live the East. :D

I can see why people want to immigrate to the East so badly with such a high standard of living and opportunities to reach one's potential.

There's no need to fear a competent woman if you're just as competent.

[The Destroyer]

I can see why people want to immigrate to the East so badly with such a high standard of living and opportunities to reach one's potential.

There's no need to fear a competent woman if you're just as competent.

It's not about fearing them. Women who focus too much on career will neglect the birth of children, dropping birth rates and this will result in what we have in Western European countries already - their nation dying out.

A medieval Italian philosopher said that the value of a woman should be directly calculated by the number of children she gives birth to.

[Sekarotuinen]

It's not about fearing them. Women who focus too much on career will neglect the birth of children, dropping birth rates and this will result in what we have in Western European countries already - their nation dying out.

A medieval Italian philosopher said that the value of a woman should be directly calculated by the number of children she gives birth to.
Are infetile women worthless by your standards then?

[Wadaad]

Are infetile women worthless by your standards then?

infertility/impotence are valid grounds for divorce in the Sharia...

[Sekarotuinen]

infertility/impotence are valid grounds for divorce in the Sharia...
Yes because children are obviously a big part of a happy and stable marriage. We were talking about worth, not marriagability. Is an infetlile woman just worthless? By his standard it would seem so.

[щрбл]

No, at all. Actually, I'm only interested in successful women. I enjoy the company of people who like to travel, tell stories, are generally passionate about things, etc. Having had a (interesting) degree is a must, too. :rolleyes:

[The Destroyer]

Are infetile women worthless by your standards then?

Not worthless as human beings, but they are obviously not suitable for marriage.

[zghiara]

They arent,tho i prefer women to have a dumber,more innocent personality.

[The Destroyer]

They arent,tho i prefer women to have a dumber,more innocent personality.

That didn't sound very nice. :D

But it's still true.

[Unome]

A "successful" woman?

She has a traditional marriage, conservative values, four children with her husband, and cares for her home. She does not work. She is not a "feminist". She has not gone to a liberal college or "pursued a career". She is proud of being a woman, a wife, a mother. She protects her family and passes on the traditions from her parents, and her mother, from whom she learned to be a Successful woman.

What's to be threatened by? On the contrary, I love and adore Successful women since they are the true heralds and defenders of society, ethnicity, culture, and national pride.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

It's not about fearing them. Women who focus too much on career will neglect the birth of children, dropping birth rates and this will result in what we have in Western European countries already - their nation dying out.

A medieval Italian philosopher said that the value of a woman should be directly calculated by the number of children she gives birth to.

Try to imagine yourself having a talent and not being able to fulfill your potential because your value to society is to pump out a litter. To be more than able than people around you to do a particular job that you would love to do but are denied because your value in society is no more than to push out babies. Think about it. That's soul crushing.

The West (and I include Japan) is making great strides in robotics and genetic engineering. All this talk of Westerners dying out doesn't take into account technological innovations. I've never been one to cry about 'Europeans are dying out' because I know what is on the horizon. Mass immigration occurs not because workers are needed (a very high proportion become a burden on the state; there is not enough unskilled labor jobs for them) but because particular parties want future voters. It has nothing to do with a decline in population.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

infertility/impotence are valid grounds for divorce in the Sharia...

I'm sure that goes both ways...

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

even many men will deny it ...in most part , sometimes unconsciously they prefer women who have a less important career, who earn less, who are smaller , generally younger ,who need protection .....( the list is long ) so they can feel more important , more necessary , protector , boss , in other words more men !
internet is full of articles about it , and some studies proved it too !
of course i think this is a no sense ...a real men as a real woman should give a fu** about social , cultural and media pressure ..." real man can wear pink and still fell men "
An intelligent person should be above these things made for sheep .

google this :
intelligent women are single

( thousands results ....)

[Sekarotuinen]

I'm sure that goes both ways...
It does, actually.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

It does, actually.


According to Yossef Rapoport, in the 15th century, the rate of divorce was higher than it is today in the modern Middle East, which has generally low rates of divorce.[24] In 15th century Egypt, Al-Sakhawi recorded the marital history of 500 women, the largest sample on marriage in the Middle Ages, and found that at least a third of all women in the Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt and Syria married more than once, with many marrying three or more times. According to Al-Sakhawi, as many as three out of ten marriages in 15th century Cairo ended in divorce.[25] In the early 20th century, some villages in western Java and the Malay peninsula had divorce rates as high as 70%.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_Islam

Maybe conservatives are right about divorce leading to cultural degeneracy. At the heart of every collapsing civilization is a guy and gal deciding the other was no longer chill and totally awesome.

[Atvend]

More like it would damage my composure to have some plebe act like the hot shit over making more shekels. My profession is objectively one of the most ascended and only a fellow colleague could possibly threaten me (they're all men).

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

More like it would damage my composure to have some plebe act like the hot shit over making more shekels. My profession is objectively one of the most ascended and only a fellow colleague could possibly threaten me (they're all men).

You're a doctor or surgeon? I'm being sarcastic, of course. Doctors and surgeons make a great deal of shekels. No doubt you're working on a useless doctorate (sociology or similar). They don't make much money and tend to resent productive people.

[Atvend]

You're a doctor or surgeon?

Never had the nerves to be a bookworm so no.

[Oneeye]

For women men's personality is the most important in that case I suppose and maybe charisma but anyway, if a man is a boss and has sex with a woman he is accused of sexual harassment, why it doesn't work in the opposite cases, women hate sex or sth ??


Because men aren't going to act victimized.

[Oneeye]

DUMB HOES <3

[Wadaad]

I'm sure that goes both ways...

Actually, yes it does. Impotence is a male condition

[zhaoyun]

Try to imagine yourself having a talent and not being able to fulfill your potential because your value to society is to pump out a litter. To be more than able than people around you to do a particular job that you would love to do but are denied because your value in society is no more than to push out babies. Think about it. That's soul crushing.

The West (and I include Japan) is making great strides in robotics and genetic engineering. All this talk of Westerners dying out doesn't take into account technological innovations. I've never been one to cry about 'Europeans are dying out' because I know what is on the horizon. Mass immigration occurs not because workers are needed (a very high proportion become a burden on the state; there is not enough unskilled labor jobs for them) but because particular parties want future voters. It has nothing to do with a decline in population.

Declining populations will be an irrelevant issue in the near future as robotics and AI take off. Having a declining population will actually become a boon because then you don't have millions of unemployed labor just sitting around while robots take the jobs.

[Aviator]

The best woman is one who is extremely intelligent and educated, but understands the importance of motherhood, and making child rearing a priority over becoming another interchangeable worker unit.

[щрбл]

You're a doctor or surgeon? I'm being sarcastic, of course. Doctors and surgeons make a great deal of shekels. No doubt you're working on a useless doctorate (sociology or similar). They don't make much money and tend to resent productive people.

More like this one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTFIczMbmKI

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

More like this one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTFIczMbmKI

That's a creative way to panhandle. How can you not give the person money for making an effort to stand out from other panhandlers? It's also touching.

[Dick]

The best woman is one who is extremely intelligent and educated, but understands the importance of motherhood, and making child rearing a priority over becoming another interchangeable worker unit.

:clap2:

[Óttar]

Bitches don't give a fuck about nothing, they cash in their female privs, and they fuck each other. Chicks ain't fucking with nothing and nobody.

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/shivers/rants/scum.html

[Sekarotuinen]

Bitches don't give a fuck about nothing, they cash in their female privs, and they fuck each other. Chicks ain't fucking with nothing and nobody.

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/shivers/rants/scum.html
>Femals Privs
Man, I sure do feel privileged to be substantially physically weaker than 95% of men.

[Hadouken]

I love how all women (including all TA females posting here) are "successful" , smart , classy etc. etc. by default . yeah ...of course you are

[crazyladybutterfly]

The best woman is one who is extremely intelligent and educated, but understands the importance of motherhood, and making child rearing a priority over becoming another interchangeable worker unit.

worker unit vs being a cattle

[Lek]

I love how all women (including all TA females posting here) are "successful" , smart , classy etc. etc. by default . yeah ...of course you are

I think most of them are hiding their problems.

[Lek]

The best woman is one who is extremely intelligent and educated, but understands the importance of motherhood, and making child rearing a priority over becoming another interchangeable worker unit.

Maybe not every woman wants to be a baby factory :shrug:

[Herr Abubu]

Women tend to be less perceptive about the nature of the environment they are in than men are. The so-called accomplishments, achievements and successes of these women are only worth the paper they're written on, while that paper isn't worth the ink that is written on it. Most men instinctively realize that, even if they're playing the same game and rationalize it. Not to mention the massive insecurities and other problems of personality—or lack thereof—of these women, who are so insecure that they would use aforementioned pretend-achievements as props for their fragile egoes. These women are going to prioritize their "careers" over family and motherhood because the instinct of egoism has taken over the instinct of motherhood.

[Herr Abubu]

Maybe not every woman wants to be a baby factory :shrug:

What's a baby factory?

[Peterski]

I love how all women (including all TA females posting here) are "successful" , smart , classy etc. etc. by default . yeah ...of course you are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs_chYcFKdc#t=5m37s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs_chYcFKdc#t=8m24s

[Lek]

What's a baby factory?

The idea that every woman is made to produce babies and nothing else.

[zghiara]

Women tend to be less perceptive about the nature of the environment they are in than men are. The so-called accomplishments, achievements and successes of these women are only worth the paper they're written on, while that paper isn't worth the ink that is written on it. Most men instinctively realize that, even if they're playing the same game and rationalize it. Not to mention the massive insecurities and other problems of personality—or lack thereof—of these women, who are so insecure that they would use aforementioned pretend-achievements as props for their fragile egoes. These women are going to prioritize their "careers" over family and motherhood because the instinct of egoism has taken over the instinct of motherhood.

interesting concept,you are smart!

[crazyladybutterfly]

Women tend to be less perceptive about the nature of the environment they are in than men are. The so-called accomplishments, achievements and successes of these women are only worth the paper they're written on, while that paper isn't worth the ink that is written on it. Most men instinctively realize that, even if they're playing the same game and rationalize it. Not to mention the massive insecurities and other problems of personality—or lack thereof—of these women, who are so insecure that they would use aforementioned pretend-achievements as props for their fragile egoes. These women are going to prioritize their "careers" over family and motherhood because the instinct of egoism has taken over the instinct of motherhood.

and it cant be the same about men who think more about their careers than building a family? dont have men a fatherhood instinct too? a desire to have children?

fatherhood even scares men less (or repulse less) than motherhood scares women , in my experience. most childfree people i have seen were females for example.

they want a family but they prioritize their job for what? for money? how much is all that money gained worth? wouldnt it be better to have a job less paid that gives you more time to play and care for your children or build a family?
social status? is social status worth premature aging and less social life due to overworking?
indeed there are more career men than career women.

from my experience it's men who are less able to see what really "matters" (not necessary family but happiness. but a family makes happy most people)

[Lek]

and it cant be the same about men who think more about their careers than building a family? dont have men a fatherhood instinct too? a desire to have children?

fatherhood even scares men less (or repulse less) than motherhood scares women , in my experience. most childfree people i have seen were females for example.

they want a family but they prioritize their job for what? for money? how much is all that money gained worth? wouldnt it be better to have a job less paid that gives you more time to play and care for your children or build a family?
social status? is social status worth premature aging and less social life due to overworking?
indeed there are more career men than career women.

from my experience it's men who are less able to see what really "matters" (not necessary family but happiness. but a family makes happy most people)

I know women with bigger balls than men.

[Kamal900]

and it cant be the same about men who think more about their careers than building a family? dont have men a fatherhood instinct too? a desire to have children?

fatherhood even scares men less (or repulse less) than motherhood scares women , in my experience. most childfree people i have seen were females for example.

they want a family but they prioritize their job for what? for money? how much is all that money gained worth? wouldnt it be better to have a job less paid that gives you more time to play and care for your children or build a family?
social status? is social status worth premature aging and less social life due to overworking?
indeed there are more career men than career women.

from my experience it's men who are less able to see what really "matters" (not necessary family but happiness. but a family makes happy most people)

Indeed. The non-Arabian Arab men like the Lebanese, Syrians and Iraqis don't like the idea to have a family and a career, and all they think about is being free and party all day long and shit. Arab women here tend to be more concerned in having a good job and a good family. You can say that Egyptians, Palestinians and Arabians tend to be much more family oriented and more concerned in earning a good job than other Arabs.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Indeed. The non-Arabian Arab men like the Lebanese, Syrians and Iraqis don't like the idea to have a family and a career, and all they think about is being free and party all day long and shit. Arab women here tend to be more concerned in having a good job and a good family. You can say that Egyptians, Palestinians and Arabians tend to be much more family oriented and more concerned in earning a good job than other Arabs.

well i am a non-arabian man :D

[Kamal900]

well i am a non-arabian man :D

Y-Your a man??

[crazyladybutterfly]

Y-Your a man??

no but i wish i was :(

[Kamal900]

no but i wish i was :(

Then your an honorary Arab man:
https://i0.wp.com/picsmine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Hug-Memes-i-know-that-feel-bro.png?resize=600%2C553

[crazyladybutterfly]

Then your an honorary Arab man:
https://i0.wp.com/picsmine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Hug-Memes-i-know-that-feel-bro.png?resize=600%2C553

*non-arabian middle easterner . i want to chill and go in some cool protests i dont want to suffer from premature aging like the stressed arab men :D

[Aviator]

worker unit vs being a cattle

What a cynical view of being a parent.

[Queen B]

It would be highly unfair and generalized to say such thing.
There are men that are threatened by a successful woman, but there are men that they don't.
Men with self-confidence, won't feel threatened, in fact, they will feel proud about her.

[Herr Abubu]

The idea that every woman is made to produce babies and nothing else.

Ok, but how is motherhood equivalent to being a baby factory?


and it cant be the same about men who think more about their careers than building a family? dont have men a fatherhood instinct too? a desire to have children?

fatherhood even scares men less (or repulse less) than motherhood scares women , in my experience. most childfree people i have seen were females for example.

they want a family but they prioritize their job for what? for money? how much is all that money gained worth? wouldnt it be better to have a job less paid that gives you more time to play and care for your children or build a family?
social status? is social status worth premature aging and less social life due to overworking?
indeed there are more career men than career women.

from my experience it's men who are less able to see what really "matters" (not necessary family but happiness. but a family makes happy most people)

You really have to stop doing this. You are intentionally incredulous to what I say because it's yet another way for you to rationalize your own deep psychical issues, stemming from a narcissistic disregard for, and dislike of, reality. The investments men and women take in family life are very different. Men don't have to bear a child in his belly for nine months. Men don't have to breastfeed. So on and so forth. The corporate-capitalist economic lifestyle is deeply damaging to men, too, but an argument against that is hardly an argument against the solid-as-concrete fact that the participation in it is far more damaging to motherhood than it is to fatherhood. The "career" is far less compatible with motherhood than it is with fatherhood because of the natures of these things.

[Herr Abubu]

What a cynical view of being a parent.

Only deeply damaged people would think of being a mother as equivalent to being cattle (I guess she's referring to the feminist talking point of traditional motherhood as chattel slavery) or as being a baby factory, revealing an inhumane view of babies as no different from any factory product.

[Sekarotuinen]

Only deeply damaged people would think of being a mother as equivalent to being cattle (I guess she's referring to the feminist talking point of traditional motherhood as chattel slavery) or as being a baby factory, revealing an inhumane view of babies as no different from any factory product.
It's not equivalent to being a cow, but being pregnant does cause problems in of itself. Emotional changes, physical changes, your body is not your own, and of course an inability to work near the end and for a month or so after birth.
Plus, the need to take care of the baby limits a woman's lifestyle choices
Having children is a big decision, but for a man it is mostly an financial and time commitment decision, where as for a woman, it affects pretty everything.
So yeah, dont tell women how they should feel about motherhood, you just dont know, and no, this doesnt make me a man hating feminist either.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

It's not equivalent to being a cow, but being pregnant does cause problems in of itself. Emotional changes, physical changes, your body is not your own, and of course an inability to work near the end and for a month or so after birth.
Plus, the need to take care of the baby limits a woman's lifestyle choices
Having children is a big decision, but for a man it is mostly an financial and time commitment decision, where as for a woman, it affects pretty everything.
So yeah, dont tell women how they should feel about motherhood, you just dont know, and no, this doesnt make me a man hating feminist either.

You're obviously unaware that Herr Abubu knows first hand the the nuisances of being pregnant, including not feeling sexy anymore.

[Trilecce]

...

Ive had female bosses, and i have never gotten along better with any man than with them, i just love women, and i do anything for a smile from them. Female cynics though or female imitators of men... yuck.

[Sekarotuinen]

You're obviously unaware that Herr Abubu knows first hand the the nuisances of being pregnant, including not feeling sexy anymore.
It says male on the profile, and I am not a veteran of this forum by any measure.

[Herr Abubu]

It's not equivalent to being a cow, but being pregnant does cause problems in of itself. Emotional changes, physical changes, your body is not your own, and of course an inability to work near the end and for a month or so after birth.
Plus, the need to take care of the baby limits a woman's lifestyle choices
Having children is a big decision, but for a man it is mostly an financial and time commitment decision, where as for a woman, it affects pretty everything.
So yeah, dont tell women how they should feel about motherhood, you just dont know, and no, this doesnt make me a man hating feminist either.

No, your non sequitur appeal to feeelings just makes you vapid and stupid. But you might as well be a man-hating feminist, too. Just for the sake of consistency, though I doubt you care much for that. Motherhood is a beautiful thing. Only a sick, damaged mind thinks any different. It's completely understandable if you're afraid of it because of the fact that it will bring you into a completely new life, but it's only a projection of your damaged self if you insult and look down upon it.

[N1019]

Men are threatened by women who use the power of the state against them in marriage and the workplace.

[Sekarotuinen]

No, your non sequitur appeal to feeelings just makes you vapid and stupid. But you might as well be a man-hating feminist, too. Just for the sake of consistency, though I doubt you care much for that. Motherhood is a beautiful thing. Only a sick, damaged mind thinks any different. It's completely understandable if you're afraid of it because of the fact that it will bring you into a completely new life, but it's only a projection of your damaged self if you insult and look down upon it.
You're nuts dude. I want to be a mother, I just realize it isnt as simple as that.

[Herr Abubu]

You're nuts dude. I want to be a mother, I just realize it isnt as simple as that.

Another banal and vapid statement not related to the argument made by you. You could do away with the financial insecurity of having a family if you took payments for making those stupid comments. I know it's very hard for people these days to discuss things without projecting themselves into the discussion, but you weren't being discussed so stop making this about yourself.

[Profileid]

Another banal and vapid statement not related to the argument made by you. You could do away with the financial insecurity of having a family if you took payments for making those stupid comments. I know it's very hard for people these days to discuss things without projecting themselves into the discussion, but you weren't being discussed so stop making this about yourself.

You mentioned her yourself initially you dumb fuck

[Herr Abubu]

You mentioned her yourself initially you dumb fuck

Etain, it's really pitiful when someone whose mother tongue isn't English has to point out to you that 'you' can be as an indefinite pronoun like 'one'. I never referred to her specifically when I said the thing about motherhood, which should have been fairly obvious going through the argument. Again, it's pitiful that I have to point it out. But while it's pitiful it is also expected. Were you not an American I certainly wouldn't have expected it.

[Profileid]

Etain, it's really pitiful when someone whose mother tongue isn't English has to point out to you that 'you' can be as an indefinite pronoun like 'one'. I never referred to her specifically when I said the thing about motherhood, which should have been fairly obvious going through the argument. Again, it's pitiful that I have to point it out. But while it's pitiful it is also expected. Were you not an American I certainly wouldn't have expected it.

ad homs as usual.

Another banal and vapid statement not related to the argument made by you. You could do away with the financial insecurity of having a family if you took payments for making those stupid comments. I know it's very hard for people these days to discuss things without projecting themselves into the discussion, but you weren't being discussed so stop making this about yourself.

If you(Herr Abubu) are speaking directly to someone and use "you". There's no other way to interpret it besides ADDRESSING THE PERSON YOU ARE SPEAKING TO.
Pathetic.

[Sekarotuinen]

ad homs as usual.


If you(Herr Abubu) are speaking directly to someone and use "you". There's no other way to interpret it besides ADDRESSING THE PERSON YOU ARE SPEAKING TO.
Pathetic.
Lmao

[Herr Abubu]

ad homs as usual.


If you(Herr Abubu) are speaking directly to someone and use "you". There's no other way to interpret it besides ADDRESSING THE PERSON YOU ARE SPEAKING TO.
Pathetic.

You really are quite stupid. Even worse, though, is that you're too foolish and prideful to acknowledge that. But I don't really blame you for that, you didn't ask to be born an American. I'll point out the really obvious to you so that you might see how stupid you are and do something about it. I doubt you will, but one should always give another person the benefit of doubt.

Obviously since I spoke to her I addressed her. However, there's a distinction between talking to a person and the things being said being directed to that person. When I said that, "Motherhood is a beautiful thing. ...", she, like you, misunderstood it and thought I was directing that comment at her, when she had interrupted into a conversation she wasn't part of and I explained my comment or something like that. She replied by saying that I am insane and she wants children when I was obviously not referring to her. To which I pointed out her stupidity and how she had jumped into an argument and turned it into herself.

You, the frothing ball of idiocy, scrambled hormones and adipose tissue that you are, added to her moronity, as well as the average BMI (though I have no reason not to believe she not only is a moron but also fat, too, since she's an American like you) by also jumping in to the conversation and projecting your own stupidity. Finally, no, 'you' doesn't necessarily refer directly to the person you're speaking to if it's used as an indefinite pronoun, which was the case. You have to stop assuming that because you yourself are a simpleton that everything must be simple and lacking in nuance enough for you to understand.

That's that. Don't expect me to respond to you any further, because if you have more to say on this matter it's entirely because you're too stupid to understand, defeating the purpose of reasoning with you to begin with.

[Sekarotuinen]

You really are quite stupid. Even worse, though, is that you're too foolish and prideful to acknowledge that. But I don't really blame you for that, you didn't ask to be born an American. I'll point out the really obvious to you so that you might see how stupid you are and do something about it. I doubt you will, but one should always give another person the benefit of doubt.

Obviously since I spoke to her I addressed her. However, there's a distinction between talking to a person and the things being said being directed to that person. When I said that, "Motherhood is a beautiful thing. ...", she, like you, misunderstood it and thought I was directing that comment at her, when she had interrupted into a conversation she wasn't part of and I explained my comment or something like that. She replied by saying that I am insane and she wants children when I was obviously not referring to her. To which I pointed out her stupidity and how she had jumped into an argument and turned it into herself.

You, the frothing ball of idiocy, scrambled hormones and adipose tissue that you are, added to her moronity, as well as the average BMI (though I have no reason not to believe she not only is a moron but also fat, too, since she's an American like you) by also jumping in to the conversation and projecting your own stupidity. Finally, no, 'you' doesn't necessarily refer directly to the person you're speaking to if it's used as an indefinite pronoun, which was the case. You have to stop assuming that because you yourself are a simpleton that everything must be simple and lacking in nuance enough for you to understand.

That's that. Don't expect me to respond to you any further, because if you have more to say on this matter it's entirely because you're too stupid to understand, defeating the purpose of reasoning with you to begin with.
I read that as:
>I'm a dumbass and I have to result to ad hominem to attempt to salvage a bit of dignity from this.

[Era]

I read that as:
>I'm a dumbass and I have to result to ad hominem to attempt to salvage a bit of dignity from this.

He has no dignity, just bitterness and uses any excuse to insult people as revenge for his pathetic life.

[Drawing-slim]

He has no dignity, just bitterness and uses any excuse to insult people as revenge for his pathetic life.

You lack dignity for not admiting you love every bit of that, Era,lol

[Era]

You lack dignity for not admiting you love every bit of that, Era,lol

Yeah, no.

[Drawing-slim]

Women tend to be less perceptive about the nature of the environment they are in than men are. The so-called accomplishments, achievements and successes of these women are only worth the paper they're written on, while that paper isn't worth the ink that is written on it. Most men instinctively realize that, even if they're playing the same game and rationalize it. Not to mention the massive insecurities and other problems of personality—or lack thereof—of these women, who are so insecure that they would use aforementioned pretend-achievements as props for their fragile egoes. These women are going to prioritize their "careers" over family and motherhood because the instinct of egoism has taken over the instinct of motherhood.

It all comes down to being man's fault for letting women enjoy to much freedom. Many choices make women confused and leads them to misery at some ultimate end.
It is man's doing really.

[Petros Houhoulis]

It all comes down to being man's fault for letting women enjoy to much freedom. Many choices make women confused and leads them to misery at some ultimate end.
It is man's doing really.

Do you want me to shitpost you with an entire page of crap for demeaning women, or just copy the one I dedicated to you years ago, or you'll shut the fuck up?

[Drawing-slim]

Do you want me to shitpost you with an entire page of crap for demeaning women, or just copy the one I dedicated to you years ago, or you'll shut the fuck up?

Eh, what a fucking ignorant. All women in here are laughing at you for failing to understand the simplest subject.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Eh, what a fucking ignorant. All women in here are laughing at you for failing to understand the simplest subject.

Last time I checked not even Albanian women could counter my arguments. Era must be frothing from my PM responses, but I still respect her as a woman, something you would never accept as a Muzzie shithead...

...Anyway, since we met you learned to hide your religion and ethnicity. Only your stupidity cannot be hidden because it's natural...

[Drawing-slim]

Last time I checked not even Albanian women could counter my arguments. Era must be frothing from my PM responses, but I still respect her as a woman, something you would never accept as a Muzzie shithead...

...Anyway, since we met you learned to hide your religion and ethnicity. Only your stupidity cannot be hidden because it's natural...
Wow, really dude? You should at least be smart enough not to participate in subjects you have no clue about it.
Women know what i am talking about. Well, smart women for sure.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Wow, really dude? You should at least be smart enough not to participate in subjects you have no clue about it.
Women know what i am talking about. Well, smart women for sure.

Really? Let's see which woman agrees with your proposition that men should not give too much freedom to their women. I doubt even the Albanian women in this forum shall agree.

[Sekarotuinen]

Really? Let's see which woman agrees with your proposition that men should not give too much freedom to their women. I doubt even the Albanian women in this forum shall agree.
Well for the record, I think men should be the head of a household, but women are entitled to God given rights just as men are, and a man has no right to abrogate those.

[Drawing-slim]

Well for the record, I think men should be the head of a household, but women are entitled to God given rights just as men are, and a man has no right to abrogate those.I wasnt talkin about this point in time, its too late now.
I was talking early on when women were allowed to vote suddenly, and many other things right after, which has led to women's misery more than anything else.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Well for the record, I think men should be the head of a household, but women are entitled to God given rights just as men are, and a man has no right to abrogate those.

Are women allowed to travel alone without any male chaperone protecting them?

Because I've heard stories...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gMt-CyJ2qM

[Petros Houhoulis]

I wasnt talkin about this point in time, its too late now.
I was talking early on when women were allowed to vote suddenly, and many other things right after, which has led to women's misery more than anything else.

So women should not vote?

[Sekarotuinen]

I wasnt talkin about this point in time, its too late now.
I was talking early on when women were allowed to vote suddenly, and many other things right after, which has led to women's misery more than anything else.
Well you are a misogynist it seems.

[Sekarotuinen]

Are women allowed to travel alone without any male chaperone protecting them?

Because I've heard stories...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gMt-CyJ2qM
It is a man's job to attend to and protect a mahram woman. If he isnt able to accompany her, then he has no right to restrict her movements. Even when a man goes with a woman, he is to follow her as a guardian, nothing more.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Well you are a misogynist it seems.

Oh, come on now Sekarotuinen! He is just a Muslim like Al-Pigfood, Wadaad...

[Sekarotuinen]

Oh, come on now Sekarotuinen! He is just a Muslim like Al-Pigfood, Wadaad...
Oh be quiet.

[Petros Houhoulis]

It is a man's job to attend to and protect a mahram woman. If he isnt able to accompany her, then he has no right to restrict her movements. Even when a man goes with a woman, he is to follow her as a guardian, nothing more.

Now I'll play Al-Pigfoods' advocate:

https://islamqa.info/en/122630


Islam Question and Answer

General Supervisor: Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid (https://islamqa.info/)
Tue 5 Shb 1438 - 2 May 2017








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122630: Travelling without a mahram in case of necessity

The wife of a friend needs to travel from Tunis to France, because she was living with her family before marriage, until she could attend an appointment to obtain French nationality, so that she could visit her family later on without any problems. Please note that her husband will take her to the airport before the plane trip and her father will meet her at the airport when she arrives. Is that permissible for her?.

Published Date: 2012-05-08

Praise be to Allaah.The basic principle that we have stated in numerous fatwas is that it is not permissible for a woman to travel without a mahram, whether the trip is for an act of worship such as Hajj, or to visit her parents, or it is a permissible kind of journey for other purposes.
This is indicated by the texts and common sense. For example:
1-
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “No woman should travel except with a mahram and no man should enter upon her unless she has a mahram with her.” A man said: O Messenger of Allah, I want to go out with such-and-such an army, but my wife wants to go for Hajj. He said: “Go with her.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1862
Muslim (1339) narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible for a woman who believes in Allaah and the Last Day to travel the distance of one day, except with a mahram.”
And there are many hadeeths which speak of the prohibition on a woman travelling without a mahram; they are general in meaning and include all kinds of travel.
2-
Because travel usually causes exhaustion and hardship, and because women are weak and need someone to look after them and stay with them, and things may happen in the absence of her mahram that she is not able to deal with. These are things that are well known and are frequently seen nowadays because of the large number of accidents involving cars and other means of transportation.
Moreover, if a woman travels alone she may be approached and tempted to do evil, especially when there is a great deal of corruption. Someone may sit next to her who does not fear Allah and he made may doing haraam actions seem appealing to her. It is perfectly wise that the woman should be accompanied by her mahram when she travels, because the purpose of having her mahram present is to protect her and look after her. Travelling is a situation in which emergencies may arise, no matter what the length of the journey is.
An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: To sum up, everything that may be called travel is forbidden to women without a husband or mahram. End quote.
More than one of the scholars have narrated that there is consensus among the fuqaha’ that women are not allowed to travel without a mahram, except in exceptional cases.
Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) said: al-Baghawi said: They did not differ concerning the fact that women are not allowed to travel for purposes other than the obligation (the obligatory Hajj) except with a husband or mahram, apart from a kaafir woman who becomes Muslim in dar al-harb (non-Muslim territory) or a female prisoner who is released. Others added: or a woman who becomes separated from her travelling companions and is found by a trustworthy man; in that case it is permissible for him to accompany her until he brings her back to the group.
End quote from Fath al-Baari, 4/76
With regard to a woman travelling for the obligatory Hajj without a mahram, the scholars differed as to whether this is permissible. The correct scholarly view is that it is not permissible. This has been discussed previously in the answer to question no. 34380 (https://islamqa.info/en/34380).
This is the basic principle concerning this matter: a woman does not have the right to travel without a mahram and she must be accompanied by a mahram throughout the journey; it is not sufficient for her husband to bring her to the airport and for her father to meet her in the other country. But when there is a case of necessity, there is nothing wrong with it, because necessity makes permissible things which are ordinarily not allowed.
Based on that, if obtaining French nationality will relieve your friend’s wife of considerable hardship, and it is not possible for her mahram to accompany her on her journey, then there is nothing wrong with her travelling on her own in the manner you describe, just as there is nothing wrong with her obtaining this nationality.
Shaykh Ibn Jibreen (may Allah preserve him) was asked: What is the ruling on a woman travelling on her own by plane for a reason, with her mahram taking her to the airport and another mahram meeting her at the other airport?
Answer:
There is nothing wrong with that if it is too difficult for the mahram, such as her husband or father, if the woman has to travel and the mahram cannot accompany her. In that case there is nothing to prevent that on condition that the first mahram takes her to the airport and does not leave her until she boards the plane, and he contacts the country to which she is headed and makes sure that her mahrams there will meet her in the airport, and he tells them the time of arrival and the flight number. That is because cases of necessity have their own rulings. And Allah knows best. May Allah send blessings and peace upon Muhammad and his family and companions.
End quote from Fataawa Ibn Jibreen.
See also question no. 14235 (https://islamqa.info/en/14235)

And Allah knows best.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Oh be quiet.

But I'm telling the truth!

[Drawing-slim]

Well you are a misogynist it seems.

Not at all. I am looking at the bigger picture, zooming in to the root of the problem.
Lets say women are this child of mine and petro's.
My child has severe toothache. I go to the dentist and leave it up to my child if its ok to just kill the pain for one night or take out the tooth.
In this case, i make the tough decision and tell the dentist to take it out, while petro will do what the child wishes and have to deal later in the night with complications and pain.

[Sekarotuinen]

Not at all. I am looking at the bigger picture, zooming in to the root of the problem.
Lets say women are this child of mine and petro's.
My child has severe toothache. I go to the dentist and leave it up to my child if its ok to just kill the pain for one night or take out the tooth.
In this case, i make the tough decision and tell the dentist to take it out, while petro will do what the child wishes and have to deal later in the night with complications and pain.
So women are children then?

[Petros Houhoulis]

Not at all. I am looking at the bigger picture, zooming in to the root of the problem.
Lets say women are this child of mine and petro's.
My child has severe toothache. I go to the dentist and leave it up to my child if its ok to just kill the pain for one night or take out the tooth.
In this case, i make the tough decision and tell the dentist to take it out, while petro will do what the child wishes and have to deal later in the night with complications and pain.

So if I decide for my daughter I let her free? How come if it is not her decision???

No dear, unlike you Albanians I'll follow and enforce the advice of the doctor. Now fuck off!

[Lek]

Ok, but how is motherhood equivalent to being a baby factory?



You really have to stop doing this. You are intentionally incredulous to what I say because it's yet another way for you to rationalize your own deep psychical issues, stemming from a narcissistic disregard for, and dislike of, reality. The investments men and women take in family life are very different. Men don't have to bear a child in his belly for nine months. Men don't have to breastfeed. So on and so forth. The corporate-capitalist economic lifestyle is deeply damaging to men, too, but an argument against that is hardly an argument against the solid-as-concrete fact that the participation in it is far more damaging to motherhood than it is to fatherhood. The "career" is far less compatible with motherhood than it is with fatherhood because of the natures of these things.

It isn't. Women who want motherhood should be able to do so but one shouldn't expect it from every woman as it is the only thing they exist for. Like Hoxhaism was being bullied on this forum just because she said she doesn't want to be a mother, and this including by some other Albanian female members here. Many of them have dreams and goals too. And they priotize these things over becoming mothers, and they shouldn't be judged over it even though it would of been best for Albanians to outbreed our neighbors, as much as I like to but Females can be used for different things than just being mothers, there are female warriors. the KLA had shitloads of them. with that being said, I haven't read the OP or most of the posts in this thread so I don't really know what the actual topic here is but I was just going by a post.

[Bobby Martnen]

If your girlfriend/wife were to earn more than you, would this damage your self-esteem and ego?


If my girlfriend/wife were to start earning more than me, she would cease to be my girlfriend/wife very quickly.

[Bobby Martnen]

if anything having a successful woman fall for you is a huge aphrodisiac and I imagine the sex is more fulfilling.

Yuck, no.

Few things are less fulfilling than feeling less powerful than the woman you are f#*$ing

[CertifiedCracker]

Maybe, but I think its more them not being able to take women in power seriously. I do think theres a sense of unmanliness when your wife brings in more money than you do as well.

[idioteque]

If my girlfriend/wife were to start earning more than me, she would cease to be my girlfriend/wife very quickly.

Why?

[Rethel]

No, we are not threatend.
We just do not find such women to
be interesting, usefull and desirable.

It is like asking: are you threatend by ugly women.
Or like asking women: are you threatend by eternaly jobless men?

And btw, if woman want to be consider succesful, then
she by nature is competing, and no sane person will want
to marry a competition. For what? For eternal fighting?

[Bobby Martnen]

Why?

I won't stay in an emasculating relationship

[Slavic Italian]

My wife makes much more money than me and is in quite a prestigious position. She was honored in D.C.

[Queen B]

I won't stay in an emasculating relationship
So, you are threatened by a successful woman as the question in the OP is .

[Bobby Martnen]

So, you are threatened by a successful woman as the question in the OP is .

Yes, I would feel very threatened by being outearned. In my opinion, the man should be head of the household

[Finnish Swede]

And btw, if woman want to be consider succesful, then
she by nature is competing, and no sane person will want
to marry a competition. For what? For eternal fighting?

Luckily no woman woud like to marry losers either. So both wins....

[Bobby Martnen]

Luckily no woman woud like to marry losers either. So both wins....

Rethel isn't a loser though...

[Slavic Italian]

Yes, I would feel very threatened by being outearned. In my opinion, the man should be head of the household

There is nothing wrong with being "kept." Try it. Here in the states it' a woman's world. If you are a white male you will lose out to a minority for a job every single time despite if your qualifications are better than hers/his for most jobs. You will see in time.

[Finnish Swede]

Rethel isn't a loser though...

Needs to ask: how you can be sure? As classifications might differ....a lot.

[Dick]

Only if she has a gun in her hand pointing at my balls

[Bobby Martnen]

Needs to ask: how you can be sure? As classifications might differ....a lot.

He's a nice guy - I agree with him on a lot of stuff but think some of his opinions are extreme or wonky.

I don't think you are a loser, either, even though I disagree with you on a lot more stuff.

[spik]

Only if she has a gun in her hand pointing at my balls

Don’t cheat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908057/Wife-chopped-husband-s-penis-discovered-cheated-cut-surgeons-managed-reattach-China.html

[Dick]

Don’t cheat on a Chinese woman.

fixed

[Finnish Swede]

He's a nice guy - I agree with him on a lot of stuff but think some of his opinions are extreme or wonky.

I don't think you are a loser, either, even though I disagree with you on a lot more stuff.

What I meant: you can classify other people (me, him, whoever you want) just away you want/wish. But do not ever misjudge to keep that as one kind of worldwide truth (one and only truth). It just your opinion. Dosen't matter if some other people (morally/mentally simular as you) would agree with you.

And yes, I disagree a lot with BOTH of you (and any men who generally things anyway similar ways as you do)...as long as I live. And who I keep losers (or hate) and why? That's I own business.

[Dick]

What I meant: you can classify other people (me, him, whoever you want) just away you want/wish. But do not ever misjudge to keep that as one kind of worldwide truth (one and only truth). It just your opinion. Dosen't matter if some other people (morally/mentally simular as you would agree with you).

And yes, I disagree a lot with BOTH of you (and any men who generally things anyway similar ways as you)...as long as I life. And who I keep losers and why? That's I'm own business.

Can you shoot a puck yet on skates? Did Odin tell you he's really a Mexican from east Los Angeles?

[Finnish Swede]

Can you shoot a puck yet on skates? Did Odin tell you he's really a Mexican from east Los Angeles?

First tell me....have you ever tried that with figure skates in your feets (while skating)? If not, how well you think you could do it?
I will answer after that (but yes...I have tried that). LOL.

Nope, but you can debate about that with him?

[Bobby Martnen]

Can you shoot a puck yet on skates? Did Odin tell you he's really a Mexican from east Los Angeles?

Odin's actually Mexican?

[Bobby Martnen]

What I meant: you can classify other people (me, him, whoever you want) just away you want/wish. But do not ever misjudge to keep that as one kind of worldwide truth (one and only truth). It just your opinion. Dosen't matter if some other people (morally/mentally simular as you) would agree with you.

And yes, I disagree a lot with BOTH of you (and any men who generally things anyway similar ways as you do)...as long as I live. And who I keep losers (or hate) and why? That's I own business.

The more feministic you are, the harder of a time you will have finding a boyfriend. It's just a fact

[Finnish Swede]

The more feministic you are, the harder of a time you will have finding a boyfriend. It's just a fact

Oh, just leave that problem totally to me http://www.pic4ever.com/images/245.gif http://www.pic4ever.com/images/springsmile.gif

I strongly think that here you could find much better targets for your ''worries'' (or your ''love for one's neighbours'').....like all those miserable male chauvinists, ones who today really can not find their girls.

[Dandelion]

The more feministic you are, the harder of a time you will have finding a boyfriend. It's just a fact

Most feminists end up dating very manly types, like bikers.

[wvwvw]

The more feministic you are, the harder of a time you will have finding a boyfriend. It's just a fact

More guys are put off by submissive women than they are by feminist women.

For a successful relationship there must be equality and balance, and that includes also doing together the chores of the house, etc

[Bobby Martnen]

Oh, just leave that problem totally to me http://www.pic4ever.com/images/245.gif http://www.pic4ever.com/images/springsmile.gif

I strongly think that here you could find much better targets for your ''worries'' (or your ''love for one's neighbours'').....like all those miserable male chauvinists, ones who today really can not find their girls.

I'm not a chauvinist, and I don't want a girlfriend.

I've seen how women screw men over.

I'd love to have kids, but for now I'm better off on my own.

[wvwvw]

I'm not a chauvinist, and I don't want a girlfriend.

I've seen how women screw men over.

I'd love to have kids, but for now I'm better off on my own.

And men screw women over. Even gays screw each other over

[Finnish Swede]

I'm not a chauvinist, and I don't want a girlfriend.
Oh, but you are (for me). But that does't matter; really.
Good that you live how you want to. Just stop ''worrying'' my life & my lifestyle, okey?



I'd love to have kids...
Some genes just are not ''mentioned'' to transport next generations. Humans closes some doors with their own personalities, ideas and thoughts.

[Hadouken]

dont screw each other

[wvwvw]

Yes, I would feel very threatened by being outearned. In my opinion, the man should be head of the household

If you earn your own money and can support yourself and can contribute to the household expenses why should it matter?

You can still earn less and be the head of the household.

[Finnish Swede]

If you earn your own money and can support yourself and can contribute to the household expenses why should it matter?

You can still earn less and be the head of the household.

LOL. Do't you know how unsecure these types of guys are? They needs to prove something to THEMSELVES (via outsiders things: money, house, car etc.) to be a man.

[Bobby Martnen]

More guys are put off by submissive women than they are by feminist women.

For a successful relationship there must be equality and balance, and that includes also doing together the chores of the house, etc

Not at all true - where do you live that men are like this?

[Bobby Martnen]

Oh, but you are (for me). But that does't matter; really.
Good that you live how you want to. Just stop ''worrying'' my life & my lifestyle, okey?


Some genes just are not ''mentioned'' to transport next generations. Humans closes some doors with their own personalities, ideas and thoughts.

Are you implying that I shouldn't have children because you think I'm genetically inferior...

[Finnish Swede]

Are you implying that I shouldn't have children because you think I'm genetically inferior...

* You made that conclusion, not me.

* What comes to me; I tend to trust ''Mother Nature''.

* There are reasons why for example some birds (females) accept some males and why they do't accept some other males (all belongs to same species).
Do you call those rejected male birds ''inferior'' to their brothers? I'll let you decide that. Whatever...they will not transport their genes to next generation.

* Or do you think that those female birds are totally wrong and their ''criterions'' are also wrong? Maybe they should change those? Maybe those rejected male birds would know better?

Like I said...I have more trust on ''Mother Nature''.

[Rethel]

Most feminists end up dating very manly types, like bikers.

Or like Mikke :laugh:

[Bobby Martnen]

* You made that conclusion, not me.

* What comes to me; I tend to trust ''Mother Nature''.

* There are reasons why for example some birds (females) accept some males and why they do't accept some other males (all belongs to same species).
Do you call those rejected male birds ''inferior'' to their brothers? I'll let you decide that. Whatever...they will not transport their genes to next generation.

* Or do you think that those female birds are totally wrong and their ''criterions'' are also wrong? Maybe they should change those? Maybe those rejected male birds would know better?

Like I said...I have more trust on ''Mother Nature''.

I assure you, I will not have trouble finding a wife

[Thanas Django]

It's women who go after men who are more succesful - earn more than them.

As long as you are attractive we will fuck you.

[Finnish Swede]

I assure you, I will not have trouble finding a wife

Good. Then everything is fine, is't it? And you do not need anymore attack against bit strong minded independent girls? Just let all flowers bloom.

[Bobby Martnen]

Good. Then everything is fine, is't it? And you do not need anymore attack against bit strong minded independent girls? Just let all flowers bloom.

Please learn proper grammar.

[Hadouken]

bobby is going through an anti woman phase . it will pass with time :)

[Bobby Martnen]

bobby is going through an anti woman phase . it will pass with time :)

I don't hate women, I hate feminists. There's a difference.

[Hadouken]

I don't hate women, I hate feminists. There's a difference.

there is a fine line where you step over without noticing it . it is manifesting it in your head and you start seeing a potential enemy in women generally . only because there are feminazis with misandry in their heart you dont need to flip out on women and let your emotions take control leading to lose your head

[War Chef]

there is a fine line where you step over without noticing it . it is manifesting it in your head and you start seeing a potential enemy in women generally . only because there are feminazis with misandry in their heart you dont need to flip out on women and let your emotions take control leading to lose your head

I do not hate women either, but their nature must be understood. Women are deceptive snakes who are experts in manipulation. I don't know for this I should admire them or hate them, but it is what it is. I have learned a lot from women & mimic some of their behaviors. They are fucking brilliant creatures, but also very dangerous.

https://i.imgur.com/v02U2O8.jpg

[Hadouken]

I do not hate women either, but their nature must be understood. Women are deceptive snakes who are experts in manipulation. I don't know for this I should admire them or hate them, but it is what it is. I have learned a lot from women & mimic some of their behaviors. They are fucking brilliant creatures, but also very dangerous.



dont worry I know that :lol:

but it is in their nature to be like that . because they are the weaker gender . they need it to survive better . of course not nowdays anymore ;)

we have to find a woman that will admit it and be honest to us (and loyal) . that is the right one

[spik]

I do not hate women either, but their nature must be understood. Women are deceptive snakes who are experts in manipulation. I don't know for this I should admire them or hate them, but it is what it is. I have learned a lot from women & mimic some of their behaviors. They are fucking brilliant creatures, but also very dangerous.

https://i.imgur.com/v02U2O8.jpg

So, you learned how to be a manipulative snake. Congrats.

[Finnish Swede]

Please learn proper grammar.

And you can stick your garmmer into ''hole''....where Sun does't shine.

[War Chef]

So, you learned how to be a manipulative snake. Congrats.

Manipulate or be manipulated, bro

The world is cold.

[Bobby Martnen]

there is a fine line where you step over without noticing it . it is manifesting it in your head and you start seeing a potential enemy in women generally . only because there are feminazis with misandry in their heart you dont need to flip out on women and let your emotions take control leading to lose your head

I don't see all women as enemies - I love my grandmothers for instance, and don't see them in a negative light.

I guess I love my mother too, even though we've had a somewhat difficult relationship and I don't really trust her that much, because of how overprotective she's been of me, so when she says "this is so bad for you" I just kinda tune it out at this point.

[Bobby Martnen]

And you can stick your garmmer into ''hole''....where Sun does't shine.

I don't stick things into any of my holes because I'm not female...

But I know in your country all sorts of indecent things go on, and lots of teenage girls are on birth control, which is sinful.

[Finnish Swede]

I don't stick things into any of my holes because I'm not female...

But I know in your country all sorts of indecent things go on, and lots of teenage girls are on birth control, which is sinful. Laughable hypocrite http://www.pic4ever.com/images/245.gif http://www.pic4ever.com/images/loudlaff.gifhttp://www.pic4ever.com/images/funny.gif

[Slavic Italian]

Today I ran the vacuum and did laundry. Do not feel less of a man.

[Slavic Italian]

Good. Then everything is fine, is't it? And you do not need anymore attack against bit strong minded independent girls? Just let all flowers bloom.

You are more of a thinker than most young American women. Good for you.

[Finnish Swede]

You are more of a thinker than most young American women. Good for you.

I'm European ... nothing American on me.

[Slavic Italian]

I'm European ... nothing American on me.

I have several ancestors in your country. Nice people. They live in Oulu.

[SvartVarg]

But I know in your country all sorts of indecent things go on, and lots of teenage girls are on birth control, which is sinful.

Which the birth control or the possibility those girls might be engaging in sex outside of marriage?

[Sebastianus Rex]

Some are, some are not. Do you think all men think and act the same way ?

[Bobby Martnen]

Laughable hypocrite http://www.pic4ever.com/images/245.gif http://www.pic4ever.com/images/loudlaff.gifhttp://www.pic4ever.com/images/funny.gif

Contraception is used more and used more openly in your country.

Contraception is morally questionable at best, and deeply immoral at worst.

Your country has lower morals than mine, sorry.

[Bobby Martnen]

Which the birth control or the possibility those girls might be engaging in sex outside of marriage?

Both are problematic. Using birth control, in addition to being immoral, makes women less attractive marriage and dating partners to the vast majority of men.

[SvartVarg]

Both are problematic. Using birth control, in addition to being immoral, makes women less attractive marriage and dating partners to the vast majority of men.

A simple statement of fact. Birth control can support promiscuous behaviors. Even if birth control is also used for medical conditions such of PCOS for example and not just for sexual relations.



Contraception is morally questionable at best, and deeply immoral at worst. .... has lower morals than mine

...

Where I live in Canada there's a serious issue with people on welfare. Generational; grandparents, parents, kids. Of all things, they're majority European to boot.

Now as someone who pays taxes, and who thus helps support these... families, it'd be nice if they knew what contraception was. A number of them have 2+ kids a piece. There's nothing wrong with having multiple kids when the parents are the ones putting food in kids' mouths & clothing on their children's backs. But there are parents who have no qualms abusing a system designed as a temporary measure for people legitimately hard up. There are, after all, a number of kids around here who don't have any idea who daddy was and if they do their "worth" is evaluated by how much extra money he'll get in his pocket.

I mean no offense to anyone on the forums. But you can't tell me people such as those have high morals.

[Bobby Martnen]

A simple statement of fact. Birth control can support promiscuous behaviors. Even if birth control is also used for medical conditions such of PCOS for example and not just for sexual relations.




...

Where I live in Canada there's a serious issue with people on welfare. Generational; grandparents, parents, kids. Of all things, they're majority European to boot.

Now as someone who pays taxes, and who thus helps support these... families, it'd be nice if they knew what contraception was. A number of them have 2+ kids a piece. There's nothing wrong with having multiple kids when the parents are the ones putting food in kids' mouths & clothing on their children's backs. But there are parents who have no qualms abusing a system designed as a temporary measure for people legitimately hard up. There are, after all, a number of kids around here who don't have any idea who daddy was and if they do their "worth" is evaluated by how much extra money he'll get in his pocket.

I mean no offense to anyone on the forums. But you can't tell me people such as those have high morals.

People need to learn self control and keeping it in their pants

[Kouros]

It's women who go after men who are more succesful - earn more than them.

As long as you are attractive we will fuck you.

Truest words

[SvartVarg]

People need to learn self control and keeping it in their pants

Indeed, though try telling them that. Nor does it take away their mortals are poor. People like that will abuse (lie, steal, cheat) welfare with one kid or twenty kids.


Contraception is morally questionable from the promiscuous standout, again, goes without say. Though birth control didn't give rise to promiscuity it just increased it [the lack of "risk"]. But is contraception morally questionable in all situations where it can be used? What of someone who really shouldn't have children [severe genetic disease]?

[Bobby Martnen]

Indeed, though try telling them that. Nor does it take away their mortals are poor. People like that will abuse (lie, steal, cheat) welfare with one kid or twenty kids.


Contraception is morally questionable from the promiscuous standout, again, goes without say. Though birth control didn't give rise to promiscuity it just increased it [the lack of "risk"]. But is contraception morally questionable in all situations where it can be used? What of someone who really shouldn't have children [severe genetic disease]?

I'm not really a fan of non-procreative sexual relations, though I make an exception for gays, given that they hurt no one.

[Finnish Swede]

Contraception is used more and used more openly in your country.

Contraception is morally questionable at best, and deeply immoral at worst.

Your country has lower morals than mine, sorry.



And guess what? I do not really care a SHIT! about above.


Morals? Vietnam War, Sarajevo Bombing, Hiroshima and Nagashaki atom bombs, Saddam Hussein nuclear weapons etc.

=> do't you dare to talk about anything linked to ''morals''. As I said....hypocrite.

PS: I respect Americans, as they have been in Europe (counterforce to Sovjet Union)....even if in reality....Nato's weapons in North Norway....partly pointed directly to Finland (If Sovjet Union would have tried to attack/occupy Finland in cold war time). As a one who lives exactly in Finland....I have bit mixed thoughts about this.

[Bobby Martnen]

And guess what? I do not really care a SHIT! about above.


Morals? Vietnam War, Sarajevo Bombing, Hiroshima and Nagashaki atom bombs, Saddam Hussein nuclear weapons etc.

=> do't you dare to talk about anything linked to ''morals''. As I said....hypocrite.

PS: I respect Americans, as they have been in Europe (counterforce to Sovjet Union)....even if in reality....Nato's weapons in North Norway....partly pointed to Finland (If Sovjet Union would have tried to attack/occupy Finland in cold war time). As a one who lives exactly in Finland....I have bit mixed thoughts about this.

As a large, wealthy, nation, we have the right to keep third world and smaller countries in line and make sure they do what's best for us.

But you've probably used contraception before, so you have a guilty conscience, so you deflect the conversation by talking about random wars from when our grandfathers were boys.

[Finnish Swede]

As a large, wealthy, nation, we have the right to keep third world and smaller countries in line and make sure they do what's best for us. .

Well this really nailed all. Told really all I needed to know about you....



But you've probably used contraception before, so you have a guilty conscienc about, so you deflect the conversation by talking about random wars from when our grandfathers were boys.

Are you 15 or what? I just showed your own ''morals'' as you blaimed us. Guilty for what? Oh, I only say next .... I support contraception as I believe every child has rights to born into this world as WANTED one. Oh, guess what mister....they even teach about these matters at school here (for teenagers) and shares free condoms.
Shit...we need to be next to hell. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/107.gif

PS: I will end now. Plus put you into my ignore list => hoping that we will never come across here anymore. Bye.

[Bobby Martnen]

Well this really nailed all. Told really all I needed to know about you....

Your English skills are atrocious.


Are you 15 or what? I just showed your ''morals''. Guilty for what? Oh, I only say next .... I support contraception as I believe every chid has rights to born into this world as WANTED one. Oh, guess what mister....they even teach about these matters at school here (for teenagers) and shares free condoms.
Shit...we need to be next to hell. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/107.gif

I'm 19, just like you. If you don't want a child, don't have sex. I know Scandinavian countries are full of promotion of teenage sex. It's disgusting to give free condoms to teenagers.


PS: I will end now. Plus put you into my ignore list => hoping that we wiilll never come across here anymore. Bye.

I will do likewise. Bye, Felicia.

[Finnish Swede]

Your English skills are atrocious.
I bet, if I would change the language to some other 1., 2., or 3. ....you could not even follow me. Not to talking about writing something back.



I'm 19, just like you. If you don't want a child, don't have sex. I know Scandinavian countries are full of promotion of teenage sex. It's disgusting to give free condoms to teenagers.
Maybe you are, maybe you are not (years from born). Mentally? ''Sure''.
Believe me it is guys who wants sex, not girls. So you can point that ''shitty-hypocrite- morals'' to your own gender. Plus do they also want to have children at the same time? Hardly. Yes, we share condoms, and our teenager age abortions are (thanx to that) lower than earlier and also lower versun countries which do not do same.



I will do likewise. Bye, Felicia.

Oh, perfect/great!

[Bobby Martnen]

Maybe you are, maybe you are not (years from born). Mentally? ''Sure''.
Believe me it is guys who wants sex, not girls. So you can point that ''shitty-hypocrite- morals'' to your own gender. Plus do they also want to have children at the same time? Hardly. Yes, we share condoms, and our teenager age abortions are (thanx to that) lower than earlier and also lower versun countries which do not do same.


In my high school, girls wanted it as much as guys.

But if you're not trying to have a kid, there's no reason to have sex

[Finnish Swede]

In my high school, girls wanted it as much as guys.

And? Is you school whole world (maybe for you)? Am I there? Am I even American?

Hell no!

[Bobby Martnen]

And? Is you school whole world (maybe for you)? Am I there? Am I even American?

Hell no!

Enjoy eating weird stuff like lutefisk instead of delicious burgers and fries and barbecue

[Finnish Swede]

Enjoy eating weird stuff like lutefisk instead of delicious burgers and fries and barbecue

I hear you....

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[Bobby Martnen]

I hear you....


At least our country isn't full of slutty teens...

[Finnish Swede]

At least our country isn't full of slutty teens...

Go sleeping you tired ''fatty'' American... you simply lose too badly. It's already morning in Europe.

BTW: There would not be any slutty teens (anywhere!) if there would not be any slutty guys (who prefers/likes those). Egg or chicken? Very clear case.

[Bobby Martnen]

Go sleeping you tired ''fatty'' American... you simply lose too badly. It's already morning in Europe.

BTW: There would not be any slutty teens (anywhere!) if there would not be any slutty guys (who prefers/likes those). Egg or chicken? Very clear case.

Immature guys want to use them for sex. But they don't respect them, they just sleep with them and then discard them like garbage.

Chastity is more respectful to women.

[Finnish Swede]

Immature guys want to use them for sex. But they don't respect them, they just sleep with them and then discard them like garbage.

''Immature''...wait a second. Needs to think.

About 6% of humans are homesexuals (no matter the ethnic/country or will they show it or not).
So 94% of us are heterosexuals.

Lets keep that 94% (of all) as base.
Now then => which % of same age guys (teenagers) would not use same age girls (if they just could)?

Yes...mister...you belong to very tiny minority. You say the majority is ''immature''? Based on what? I say it's ''nomal''. Good or bad.

[Bobby Martnen]

''Immature''...wait a second. Needs to think.

About 6% of humans are homesexuals (no matter the ethnic/country or will they show it or not).
So 94% of us are heterosexuals.

Lets keep that 94% (of all) as base.
Now then => which % of same age guys (teenagers) would not use same age girls (if they just could)?

Yes...mister...you belong to very tiny minority. Majority is ''immature''? Based on what?

I'm aware that my chastity in a sea of promiscuity makes me an extreme minority.

I don't care. I'd rather be right than popular.

[Finnish Swede]

I'm aware that my chastity in a sea of promiscuity makes me an extreme minority.

I don't care. I'd rather be right than popular.

''Nice'' attitude. Humans history knows many ''famous'' (special/minority) persons, who also ''thought'' to be right.

Plus as you criticized my too limited skills in english...can you help me now? Yes, I'm wondering what english word ''freak'' means? And even more...is it mostly used to describe majority or minority types of people?

Just came to my mind...

[Rethel]

Immature guys want to use them for sex. But they don't respect them, they just sleep with them and then discard them like garbage.

Chastity is more respectful to women.

When I hear about respect towards women from the guy who is a fun of fags, then...

[Bobby Martnen]

When I hear about respect towards women from the guy who is a fun of fags, then...

Rethel, I like you and agree with you on a lot. I just disagree with you about gays.

[Rethel]

I just disagree with you about gays.

It is not just.
It is a most abhorible abomination from the bottom of hell.
You can agree with me on whatever you want, but as long
as you call your satanic propaganda a christianity, we have
nothing common. It is straight against the Holy Scripture and
the very will of God. Faggotism is the last stage of the total
satanic degeneration and all who support it will be anihilated
from the surface of the earth by Jesus Christ himself.

[Óttar]

I'd love to meet a strong corporate woman.

[CrazyCatLady]

Men can't stand a girl being independent and leaving them in the shade. They define all their existence in the search for women.
They are like little dogs.

[Bobby Martnen]

''Nice'' attitude. Humans history knows many ''famous'' (special/minority) persons, who also ''thought'' to be right.

Plus as you criticized my too limited skills in english...can you help me now? Yes, I'm wondering what english word ''freak'' means? And even more...is it mostly used to describe majority or minority types of people?

Just came to my mind...

Freak means someone who looks or behaves in an odd manner - it is almost never used for people with unpopular political beliefs

[Neon Knight]

Men obsessed with economic status probably do feel threatened by successful career women. Personally, I don't care how much a woman earns as long as I can still beat her at arm-wrestling, target-shooting and chess. Especially arm-wrestling.

[Svipdag]

Certainly, UNsuccesful men are.

[Peterski]

Where I live in Canada there's a serious issue with people on welfare.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ

[rhiannon]

I don't stick things into any of my holes because I'm not female...

But I know in your country all sorts of indecent things go on, and lots of teenage girls are on birth control, which is sinful.

There are over 7 billion people on this planet and birth control is sinful? This line of thinking is backwards and antiquated....not to mention more likely to bring unwanted, abused children into the fray who deserve so much better.

[Peterski]

There are over 7 billion people on this planet

Europe has not much more people now than before WW2. Most of recent growth has been in Africa and Asia:

Change in global population (numbers in millions) between years 1938 and 2013:

Continent ------------- population 1938 --- population 2013 -- (percent increase)

Asia ---------------------------- 1144.6 --------- 4298.7 ------------ (+ 276%)
Europe -------------------------- 529.0 ---------- 742.5 ------------- (+ 40%)
Americas ----------------------- 263.8 ---------- 972.0 ------------- (+ 268%)
Africa --------------------------- 148.2 ---------- 1110.6 ------------ (+ 649%)
Oceania ------------------------- 10.5 ----------- 38.3 --------------- (+ 265%)

Total --------------------------- 2096.1 --------- 7162.1 ------------- (+ 242%)

Various projections until 2100 also show, that in fact only Africa has a problem with too fast population growth.


This line of thinking is backwards and antiquated

Are you really brainwashed into believing that the First World has an overpopulation problem?

As the data I posted above shows, only some parts of the developing world have this problem.

The developed world has the opposite problem, "Demographic Winter", declining population.

[Peterski]

The decline of the population is not a problem in itself, what's problematic is aging population.

[Bobby Martnen]

There are over 7 billion people on this planet and birth control is sinful? This line of thinking is backwards and antiquated....not to mention more likely to bring unwanted, abused children into the fray who deserve so much better.

If you don't want a kid, keep it in your pants

Also, like Litvin said, the First World doesn't have an overpopulation problem

[Rethel]

There are over 7 billion people on this planet and birth control is sinful? This line of thinking is backwards and antiquated....not to mention more likely to bring unwanted, abused children into the fray who deserve so much better.

It is interesting, that supporters of birth control are only active in those countries where
there is no population boom, ba! not even population replacement level - "coincidently"
these are christian countries... hmm.... Interesting is also, that such people like you
are more concern about condoms, than about disgusting perversions and demoralisation
which the guy spreads... really, you have similarly twised thinking like he - you both
play into one and the same goal.

[EuropeanVlachSon]

Men obsessed with economic status probably do feel threatened by successful career women. Personally, I don't care how much a woman earns as long as I can still beat her at arm-wrestling, target-shooting and chess. Especially arm-wrestling.

Any man in this world (women or men) obsessed with something, show that he have a fear or a complex.

[rhiannon]

If you don't want a kid, keep it in your pants

Also, like Litvin said, the First World doesn't have an overpopulation problem

I don't have an "it" to keep in my pants, thanks.

None of this shit applies to me now anyway. I have my two children and am happily married and finished with childbearing.

None of you people on this thread touting BC as "sinful" (what a crock) have any right to go telling other people what their reproductive options are. It's none of your business.

[rhiannon]

It is interesting, that supporters of birth control are only active in those countries where
there is no population boom, ba! not even population replacement level - "coincidently"
these are christian countries... hmm.... Interesting is also, that such people like you
are more concern about condoms, than about disgusting perversions and demoralisation
which the guy spreads... really, you have similarly twised thinking like he - you both
play into one and the same goal.

What the hell do you know about the things I'm interested in, or bothered by? Your argument is laughable.

[rhiannon]

I'm aware that my chastity in a sea of promiscuity makes me an extreme minority.

I don't care. I'd rather be right than popular.

Well at least you seem to be holding yourself to a similar standard as your future mate. I can understand that.

[Peterski]

None of you people on this thread touting BC as "sinful"

Just to clarify, I don't consider BC sinful. I commented on that bullshit about supposed overpopulation.

Aging population is a bigger problem than overpopulation, a problem for economies of our countries.

[rhiannon]

Just to clarify, I don't consider BC sinful. I commented on that bullshit about supposed overpopulation.

Aging population is a bigger problem than overpopulation, a problem for economies of our countries.

I wasn't referring to you :)

[Rethel]

What the hell do you know about the things I'm interested in, or bothered by? Your argument is laughable.

From what you wrote, and what you are: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/atheist.png

[Bobby Martnen]

I don't have an "it" to keep in my pants, thanks.

No, but the same "don't have sex if you're not trying to get pregnant" principle applies.


None of you people on this thread touting BC as "sinful" (what a crock) have any right to go telling other people what their reproductive options are. It's none of your business.

Of course you don't see it as sinful, given that you're an atheist. It's your business how many kids you want to have, but the only moral way to have fewer children is abstinence.

[rhiannon]

From what you wrote, and what you are: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/atheist.png

So I'm an Atheist? Doesn't tell you much about me except I don't believe God exists.

[rhiannon]

No, but the same "don't have sex if you're not trying to get pregnant" principle applies.



Of course you don't see it as sinful, given that you're an atheist. It's your business how many kids you want to have, but the only moral way to have fewer children is abstinence.

Moral is the key here. There are ways to live a morally upright life that have nothing to do with religion. You can't tell me most men are going to get on board with the notion of never having sex unless it's for procreation. No way no how lol.

[Bobby Martnen]

Moral is the key here. There are ways to live a morally upright life that have nothing to do with religion. You can't tell me most men are going to get on board with the notion of never having sex unless it's for procreation. No way no how lol.

I disagree with your assertion.

[rhiannon]

I disagree with your assertion.

Most Religious types will disagree. Doesn't bother me a bit:wink

For you all, there is no morality without some book or doctrine telling you how to behave. That's how it looks to this atheist, anyway.

For those of us that don't need something or someone telling us how to behave, by far and large, most of us show every bit the same or greater concern for the welfare of our societies or fellow living creatures as the lot of you.

So you follow your own God if that makes you happy. As for me? #happilyreligionfree