Andalusians or Basques? guess them

[Cristiano viejo]

All of them are the cast of a Spanish serie about the coexistence between a group of Basques and Andalusians.
After some responses I will reveal their origin.

1. http://i.imgur.com/y1kS0P7.jpg

2. http://i.imgur.com/QUwJ88D.jpg

3. http://i.imgur.com/KblVLGy.jpg

4. http://i.imgur.com/vLDMcYs.jpg

5. http://i.imgur.com/EVwU9JG.jpg

6. http://i.imgur.com/MpE2hxP.jpg

7. http://i.imgur.com/r0u5Hbi.jpg

8. http://i.imgur.com/nuBM5Yx.jpg

9. http://i.imgur.com/VtUL9F8.jpg

10. http://i.imgur.com/3FNT5j4.jpg

11. http://i.imgur.com/eDwTHVU.jpg

12. http://i.imgur.com/6DWLvbM.jpg

13. http://i.imgur.com/5uCypAq.jpg

[Rethel]

Most of women are Andalusians.

Men:

Those with R1 - Andalusians.
Rest - Basques.

:laugh:

[Proto-Shaman]

Men:

Those with R1 - Andalusians.
Rest - Basques.

:laugh:

R1b lineages of western European populations derive from the Basque ones bro :cry2

[Cristiano viejo]

Most of women are Andalusians.

Men:

Those with R1 - Andalusians.
Rest - Basques.

:laugh:

Basques are predominantly r1b...

and most of the women are not Andalusians (well yes but just three of them) :)

[Annie999]

Most of women are Andalusians.

Men:

Those with R1 - Andalusians.
Rest - Basques.

:laugh:

Most basques are R1 (celto iberians)

[The Blade]

Wild guess - 2,4,9,10 and 11 are Basque and the rest - Andalusian.

[Cristiano viejo]

Wild guess - 2,4,9,10 and 11 are Basque and the rest - Andalusian.
5/13 :ohwell:

[Rethel]

Basques are predominantly r1b...

But R1 is not basque hg.


and most of the women are not Andalusians (well yes but just three of them) :)

3 of 5 - majority :)


Most basques are R1 (celto iberians)

Ergo - not basquish :)

[Cristiano viejo]

But R1 is not basque hg.
So what?


3 of 5 - majority :)
True, true... :p


Ergo - not basquish :)
Basques are Iberians :noidea:

[Annie999]

Ergo - not basquish :)

Basques are celto-iberians and R1, what's your issue with that? Whats your point

[Proto-Shaman]

Basques are Iberians :noidea:
don't panic bro, Celtic is not Indo-European.

[Cristiano viejo]

don't panic bro, Celtic is not Indo-European.

Interesting :rolleyes:

[Rethel]

So what?

So, is not. Thats all.


Basques are Iberians :noidea:

They probably aren't, but even of, she wrote
about CELTOiberians, not Iberians.
It's a bog different, like between Americans,
and Amerindians.


Basques are celto-iberians and R1, what's your issue with that? Whats your point

Basques are not celtoiberians becasue they do not speak celtish.
But some people among them are Celtoiberian per se.

[Rethel]

Interesting :rolleyes:

You see, what you've done... :laugh:

[Annie999]

Basques are not celtoiberians becasue they do not speak celtish.
But some people among them are Celtoiberian per se.

I was referring to the Y-DNA only, not the language. I know because my bf is mainly basque and got a celto-iberian YDNA which is the most common among basques.

[Damião de Góis]

"Celtiberians" can be a reference to celtiberians (the tribe from around La Mancha and Aragon) or Celtic speaking iberians (pre-roman invasion). The basques were neither:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Ethnographic_Iberia_200_BCE.PNG

[Rethel]

I was referring to the Y-DNA only, not the language. I know because my bf is mainly basque and got a celto-iberian YDNA which is the most common among basques.

And you said correctly.
It is celtoiberian DNA, not basquish, but some individual people among Basques have it.
Even if they are today 80-90% :)

[Cristiano viejo]

They probably aren't,
They do are and even it is proven that their language is related with the old Iberian language.


but even of, she wrote
about CELTOiberians, not Iberians.
It's a bog different, like between Americans,
and Amerindians.
Well, taking account that current Basque territory was occupied by them expelling their former Celtiberian tribes, that current Basques have mixed with other Spanish populations since centuries ago and that their higher haplogroup is r1b, I would not put the hands in my head calling them Celtiberians...



Basques are not celtoiberians becasue they do not speak celtish.
But some people among them are Celtoiberian per se.
So we Iberians are not Iberians because we dont speak Iberian, true? :rolleyes:

[Rethel]

They do are and even it is proven that their language is related with the old Iberian language.

Nope.


So we Iberians are not Iberians because we dont speak Iberian, true? :rolleyes:

The Iberians (a tribe lived in eastern Iberia 2000 years ago)? - Of course not.

Only in gepgrafical meaning, as inhabitants of iberian peninnsula aka Iberia the land.

[Ülev]

I2a1 (M26) - Rethel's Basques so Sardinians, lol

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/gothorum1/kerava/I2a1%20wersja%202_zpstx77tkel.jpg

[Ilma]

Having no clue how common basques and andalusians look like it is only guessing :

1, 2, 5, 6, 7 and 9 : Andalusians.
3, 4, 8, 10, 11, 12 and 13 : Basques.

[alnortedelsur]

I cannot distinguish one from the other. They both look about the same, IMO.

[Cristiano viejo]

Nope.
Absolutely yepe.


The Iberians (a tribe lived in eastern Iberia 2000 years ago)? - Of course not.

Only in gepgrafical meaning, as inhabitants of iberian peninnsula aka Iberia the land.
Iberians were not a tribe but a compemdium of many of them.
Saying current Spanish, Andorrans and Portuguese are only Iberians in a geographical term is ridicolous.


Having no clue how common basques and andalusians look like it is only guessing :

1, 2, 5, 6, 7 and 9 : Andalusians.
3, 4, 8, 10, 11, 12 and 13 : Basques.
5/13, same than The Blade :ohwell:

[alnortedelsur]

Basques are indistinguishable from other Iberians.

[alnortedelsur]

1.Basque
2.Basque
3.Andalusian
4.Andalusian
5.Basque
6.Andalusian
7.Andalusian
8.Basque
9.Basque
10.Basque
11.Andalusian
12.Basque
13.Andalusian

A wild guess :p

[Rethel]

Iberians were not a tribe but a compemdium of many of them.
Saying current Spanish, Andorrans and Portuguese are only Iberians in a geographical term is ridicolous.

Ok, so I understand, that I am a Lugian-Nahanarval and Yotving. Nice to meet you :)

[Cristiano viejo]

1.Basque
2.Basque
3.Andalusian
4.Andalusian
5.Basque
6.Andalusian
7.Andalusian
8.Basque
9.Basque
10.Basque
11.Andalusian
12.Basque
13.Andalusian

A wild guess :p
7/13. The best of the three results people gave :)

Well, here their name and origin. Not very easy to guess I see :rolleyes:

1. Óscar Terol, Basque
http://i.imgur.com/y1kS0P7.jpg

2. María León, Andalusian
http://i.imgur.com/QUwJ88D.jpg

3. Mariano Peña, Andalusian
http://i.imgur.com/KblVLGy.jpg

4. Jon Plazaola, Basque
http://i.imgur.com/vLDMcYs.jpg

5. Iker Galartza, Basque
http://i.imgur.com/EVwU9JG.jpg

6. Alfonso Sánchez, Andalusian
http://i.imgur.com/MpE2hxP.jpg

7. Ane Gabarain, Basque
http://i.imgur.com/r0u5Hbi.jpg

8. Mari Paz Sayago, Andalusian
http://i.imgur.com/nuBM5Yx.jpg

9. Santiago Ugalde, Basque
http://i.imgur.com/VtUL9F8.jpg

10. Noemi Ruiz, Andalusian
http://i.imgur.com/3FNT5j4.jpg

11. Alberto López, Andalusian
http://i.imgur.com/eDwTHVU.jpg

12. Maribel Salas, Basque
http://i.imgur.com/6DWLvbM.jpg

13. Gorka Aguinagalde, Basque
http://i.imgur.com/5uCypAq.jpg

Conclusion: People is not able to distinguish the supossedly most different Spanish regions :rolleyes:


Ok, so I understand, that I am a Lugian-Nahanarval and Yotving. Nice to meet you :)

I have no idea what Lugian etc mean and I am not an expert in Polish history but Spanish, so I can not to say if you are that or not :)

[Rethel]

I have no idea what Lugian etc mean and I am not an expert in Polish history but Spanish, so I can not to say if you are that or not :)

Lugians are Celts which lived in Poland 2000 years
ago, Nahanarvals are one of their subtribes, which
lived probably there where I am living now and the
Yotvingians: a medieval Baltic tribe (half Prussians,
half Lithuanians) noted probably also ~2000 years
ago by Romans, who lived in the area where I am
coming from, and btw, my grandmother's family is
legendarly descendend from them :p

[Cristiano viejo]

Lugians are Celts which lived in Poland 2000 years
ago, Nahanarvals are one of their subtribes, which
lived probably there where I am living now and the
Yotvingians - medieval Baltic tribe (half Prussians,
half Lithuanians) noted probably also 2000 years
ago by Romans, who lived in the area where I am
coming from,
Very interesting and thanks for the info. I supossed they were any Slavic tribes or something so, rather than Celts.
Well, as I said I am zero expert in Polish, I dont know if these Celts were later expelled and their places occupied by other groups, etc

[Awebo]

#4's face screams Basque.

[Tooting Carmen]

I think the frequency of phenotypes is what would make Basques and Andalusians different to some extent from each other, not the actual existence of particular phenotypes as such.

[Cristiano viejo]

I think the frequency of phenotypes is what would make Basques and Andalusians different to some extent from each other, not the actual existence of particular phenotypes as such.

Then why do you make all these threads about particular phenotypes as such? :rolleyes:

[aherne]

They look almost the same. I don't think anyone can see a difference...

[Proto-Shaman]

I2a1 (M26) - Rethel's Basques so Sardinians, lol

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/gothorum1/kerava/I2a1%20wersja%202_zpstx77tkel.jpg
dirty non-IE faggots invaded IE lands, Rethels on the march :mad:

[Cristiano viejo]

Gixajo!!!!!!

[Angelo]

Basque: 1,4,8,9,11,13

Andalusians: 2,3,5,6,7,10,12

[gixajo]

Gixajo!!!!!!

¿Qué?

Si yo conozco a la mayoría de esos actores, especialmente a los de vaya semanita, que luego fueron a parar a series y películas.

Y tres vascos al menos, que yo sepa, lo son al 50%, incluso una igual no tiene ningún padre de la zona.

Además defiendes lo mismo que yo he dicho siempre, que pese a que tenemos establecido una cara "de vasco", en realidad no hay diferencias notables en grupos de gente del País Vasco y de otras zonas de España.

Igual esos rasgos es algo más frecuente por aquí, pero tampoco de una forma generalizada, ni siquiera entre gente con 4 abuelos vascos, y que puede aparecer unos rasgos similares en cualquier parte de la península.

En cuanto a la discusión de Íberos/Celtíberos, las diferencias que se sepa, eran más culturales que genéticas.

Yo creo que la hipótesis de la vasconización tardía es cierta, y que los actuales habitantes vascos de la península, son Aquitanos venidos justo después de la caída de Roma, y que si vinieron, es entre otras cosas, porque Aquitania era una extensión de la península Ibérica. o igual, porque eran los auténticos habitantes nativos de la zona, y son los galos y los belgas que encontró César, los que no eran tan nativos de esas zonas.

Pero decir que los Ibéricos tenemos más relación con los Europeos occidentales de antes dela llegada de los "indoeuropeos" que "otros", no creo que sea muy bien recibido por muchos guiris aquí.:rolleyes:

Por mucho que buena parte de nuestra genética actual, provenga de esos indoeuropeos, especialmente el Ydna.

Julio César, aunque llamó a los Aquitanos "galos", dijo desde el principio que a esas 9 tribus que vivían al Sur del río Garona, en realidad con quienes estaban vinculados, era con los Hispanos.Estrabón dijo cosas similares.

Y así lo considera cualquier historiador:

J. B. Greenough, Benjamin L. D'Ooge, M. Grant Daniell, Commentary on Caesar's Gallic War


Free Gaul (Libera Gallia) at that time consisted of all the unsubdued territory between the Pyrenees and the ocean on the one side, and the Rhine and the Alps on the other, thus comprising, in general, modern France and Belgium, with parts of Holland, Germany, and Switzerland. The central portion of this territory, fully a half of it in extent and population, was occupied by the Gauls proper, or, as they called themselves, Celts, no doubt originally the same word. Southwest of these were the Aquitani, a separate people of Iberian race, cognate to the Spanish; of these, the Basques of the present day are the representatives. To the northeast lived the Belgians, whose ethnic affinities are much disputed; all that can be considered certain is that they were largely mixed with Germans. The Belgians occupied more territory than is now known as Belgium, including a considerable part of Holland on the one hand, and the northern belt of France on the other.

Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography William Smith, LLD, Ed.


The Aquitani had neither the same language, nor the same physical characters as the Celtae. (Caes. Gal. 1.1; Strab. pp. 177, 189; Amm. Marc. 15.11, who here merely copies Caesar.) In both these respects, Strabo says, that they resembled the Iberi, more than the Celtae. When P, Crassus invaded this country, the Aquitani sent for and got assistance from their nearest neighbours in Spain, which, in some degree, confirms the opinion of their being of Iberian stock. When they opposed Crassus, they had for their king, or commander-in-chief, Adcantuannus, who had about him a body of 600 devoted men, called Soldurii, who were bound to one another not to survive if any ill luck befel their friends.

[Cristiano viejo]

¿Qué?

Si yo conozco a la mayoría de esos actores, especialmente a los de vaya semanita, que luego fueron a parar a series y películas.

Y tres vascos al menos, que yo sepa, lo son al 50%, incluso una igual no tiene ningún padre de la zona.

Además defiendes lo mismo que yo he dicho siempre, que pese a que tenemos establecido una cara "de vasco", en realidad no hay diferencias notables en grupos de gente del País Vasco y de otras zonas de España.

Igual esos rasgos es algo más frecuente por aquí, pero tampoco de una forma generalizada, ni siquiera entre gente con 4 abuelos vascos, y que puede aparecer unos rasgos similares en cualquier parte de la península.

Pos na, que me apetecía reflotar este zrid :D