More Hungarians among Hungarians... new partial reaserch.

[Rethel]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00438-017-1319-z

l.b. %
E 16 10,9%
G 3 2,0%
H 2 1,4%
I1 7 4,8%
I2a2 1 0,7%
I2a1 28 19,0%
J1 1 0,7%
J2b 5 3,4%
N1c 9 6,1%
Q 1 0,7%
R1a-M458 30 20,4%
R1a-Z280 21 14,3%
R1a-Z93 0 0,0%
R1b* 7 4,8%
R1b-P312 11 7,5%
R1b-U106 4 2,7%
R2 1 0,7%
Suma: 147 100,0%

6,1 of Ugrofinns, it is better than general hungarian 0.47%.

50% of Indoeuropeans remains.
Interesting, that there is 20% of M458.
The real westslavic barats.


We have determined the distribution of Y chromosomal haplotypes and haplogroups in population samples from one of the most important areas in north-eastern Hungary from many villages in the Bodrogköz. The Bodrogköz region was chosen due to its isolated nature, because this area was a moorland encircled by the Tisza, Bodrog, and Latorca Rivers and inhabitants of this part of Hungary escaped from both Tatar and Ottoman invasions, which decimated the post-Hungarian Conquest populations in many parts of the country. Furthermore, in the first half of the tenth century, this region served as the Palatial Centre and burial grounds of the Hungarian tribes. It has thus been assumed that the present population in this area is likely to be more similar to the population that lived in the Conquest period. We analysed male-specific markers, 23 Y-STRs and more than 30 Y-SNPs, that reflect the past and recent genetic history. We found that the general haplogroup distribution of the samples showed high genetic similarity to non-Bodrogköz Hungarians and neighbouring populations, despite its sheltered location and historical record. We were able to classify the Y-chromosomal haplogroups into four large groups based on STR mutation events: pre-Roman/Roman ancient lineage, Finno-Ugric speakers arriving into the Carpathian Basin, Migration period admixture, and post-Hungarian Conquest admixture. It is clear that a significantly larger database with deep haplogroup resolution, including ancient DNA data, is required to strengthen this research.

[Stears]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00438-017-1319-z

l.b. %
E 16 10,9%
G 3 2,0%
H 2 1,4%
I1 7 4,8%
I2a2 1 0,7%
I2a1 28 19,0%
J1 1 0,7%
J2b 5 3,4%
N1c 9 6,1%
Q 1 0,7%
R1a-M458 30 20,4%
R1a-Z280 21 14,3%
R1a-Z93 0 0,0%
R1b* 7 4,8%
R1b-P312 11 7,5%
R1b-U106 4 2,7%
R2 1 0,7%
Suma: 147 100,0%

6,1 of Ugrofinns, it is better than general hungarian 0.47%.

50% of Indoeuropeans remains.
Interesting, that there is 20% of M458.
The real westslavic barats.


We have determined the distribution of Y chromosomal haplotypes and haplogroups in population samples from one of the most important areas in north-eastern Hungary from many villages in the Bodrogköz. The Bodrogköz region was chosen due to its isolated nature, because this area was a moorland encircled by the Tisza, Bodrog, and Latorca Rivers and inhabitants of this part of Hungary escaped from both Tatar and Ottoman invasions, which decimated the post-Hungarian Conquest populations in many parts of the country. Furthermore, in the first half of the tenth century, this region served as the Palatial Centre and burial grounds of the Hungarian tribes. It has thus been assumed that the present population in this area is likely to be more similar to the population that lived in the Conquest period. We analysed male-specific markers, 23 Y-STRs and more than 30 Y-SNPs, that reflect the past and recent genetic history. We found that the general haplogroup distribution of the samples showed high genetic similarity to non-Bodrogköz Hungarians and neighbouring populations, despite its sheltered location and historical record. We were able to classify the Y-chromosomal haplogroups into four large groups based on STR mutation events: pre-Roman/Roman ancient lineage, Finno-Ugric speakers arriving into the Carpathian Basin, Migration period admixture, and post-Hungarian Conquest admixture. It is clear that a significantly larger database with deep haplogroup resolution, including ancient DNA data, is required to strengthen this research.


Good to know, So rusyn and slovak descendent people are more similar to the Conquerors than present-day Hungarians. The highest ratio of slavic names in Hungary are in Bodrogköz. Highest ratio of West slavic R1A is located there. West slavic type of R1A is rarity in Hungary, except in the mentioned Bodrogköz...


http://arkadia.pte.hu/fajlok/01terkep_priskin.jpg

[Ülev]

Bodrogköz
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/HU_microregion_1.6.13._Bodrogk%C3%B6z.png
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodrogk%C3%B6z

[Rethel]

http://arkadia.pte.hu/fajlok/01terkep_priskin.jpg

It was in XVth century?

Why so great migrations happend?

And what mean these crossed areas?

[Stears]

It was in XVth century?

Why so great migrations happend?

And what mean these crossed areas?

The map is about the re-population of the empty lands of present-day Hungary in the late XVII to early XVIII th century after the Ottoman Wars. Yes, Bodrogköz is a heavy slavic inhabited area, (It is enough to open a phone book in Bodrogköz)

There was an other shocking discovery about Csángó population in modern Romania, they are also genetically closest to conqueror tribes and to modern-day romanians, however they are genetically very far from Hungarian population.

[Grishnack]

The map is about the re-population of the empty lands of present-day Hungary in the late XVII to early XVIII th century after the Ottoman Wars. Yes, Bodrogköz is a heavy slavic inhabited area, (It is enough to open a phone book in Bodrogköz)

There was an other shocking discovery about Csángó population in modern Romania, they are also genetically closest to conqueror tribes and to modern-day romanians, however they are genetically very far from Hungarian population.

Well, Csangos are basically Magyarised Romanians who adopted Catholicism.

[Stears]

Well, Csangos are basically Magyarised Romanians who adopted Catholicism.

Magyarization? Wrong, Csangos don't live in the former territory of Kingdom of Hungary.

[Grishnack]

Magyarization? Wrong, Csangos don't live in the former territory of Kingdom of Hungary.

Magyarised as in they adopted Hungarian language not as in being subjected to a Magyarization process. That's what I meant.

[blogen]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00438-017-1319-z

l.b. %
E 16 10,9%
G 3 2,0%
H 2 1,4%
I1 7 4,8%
I2a2 1 0,7%
I2a1 28 19,0%
J1 1 0,7%
J2b 5 3,4%
N1c 9 6,1%
Q 1 0,7%
R1a-M458 30 20,4%
R1a-Z280 21 14,3%
R1a-Z93 0 0,0%
R1b* 7 4,8%
R1b-P312 11 7,5%
R1b-U106 4 2,7%
R2 1 0,7%
Suma: 147 100,0%

6,1 of Ugrofinns, it is better than general hungarian 0.47%.

50% of Indoeuropeans remains.
Interesting, that there is 20% of M458.
The real westslavic barats.

N1c is Slavic ancestry between the Hungarians, R1a Z280 is typical ancient Eastern European steppe/forest steppe genetic ancestry for example. Etc. :lightbul:

[Szegedist]

Well, Csangos are basically Magyarised Romanians who adopted Catholicism.

No, they are Hungarian communities which migrated to Moldavia, in several waves.

[Grishnack]

No, they are Hungarian communities which migrated to Moldavia, in several waves.

Or that. You may be right. Welcome back to TA, btw!

[Szegedist]

Or that. You may be right. Welcome back to TA, btw!

No, I am right. The migration of Hungarians into Moldavia is historically documented (we tried to colonize it). Magyarized Romanians is an invention of Romanian nationalists.

[Grishnack]

No, I am right. The migration of Hungarians into Moldavia is historically documented (we tried to colonize it). Magyarized Romanians is an invention of Romanian nationalists.

Then why are them so different from Szekelys genetically?