Who would pass more easily as Palestinian: Bar Rafaeli or Aishwarya Rai?

[Tooting Carmen]

This is a serious question. Even though Jews are genetically very close to Palestinians, the types who look like Rafaeli I doubt would really pass at all. In contrast, Rai is among the lightest 5% or so of Indians, and would be more feasible imo.

Bar Rafaeli
https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_51/1344646/151217-bar-refaeli-1543_bddb9ade9b4d65a51b731441a199ebdf.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpghttp://www3.pictures.stylebistro.com/gi/Bar+Refaeli+Long+Hairstyles+Long+Wavy+Cut+FSpvgrpd sXrx.jpg

Aishwarya Rai
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2974026/thumbs/o-AISHWARYA-RAI-900.jpg?2https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/04/24/15/AishwaryaRaiBachchan.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Jews are not "very close genetically to Palestinians," they're closest to southern Italians. Unless the latter are also "very close to Palestinians."

Anyway Aishwarya Rai passes better.

[Tooting Carmen]

Jews are not "very close genetically to Palestinians," they're closest to southern Italians. Unless the latter are also "very close to Palestinians."

Anyway Aishwarya Rai passes better.

Depends on the Jewish group probably. Sephardim and Mizrahim would be closer, Ashkenazim less so.

[Shah-Jehan]

I doubt Aishwarya Rai passes outside of the Indian Subcontinent.

[Smitty]

Are Rai's eyes really that teal color, or are those contacts?

[MysteriousWays]

Depends on the Jewish group probably. Sephardim and Mizrahim would be closer, Ashkenazim less so.

Sephardim are not much closer than Ashkenazim. Mizrahim are closer, but still decently separated on a PCA plot.

[Hahnbachert]

I doubt Aishwarya Rai passes outside of the Indian Subcontinent.

Agree,,,

[Isleño]

Aishwarya passes better. The Jewish girl may be sorta watered down with European DNA. Also, Jews are close to Sicilians and Maltese, not to Palestinians, if I may.

[Sikeliot]

Aishwarya passes better. The Jewish girl may be sorta watered down with European DNA. Also, Jews are close to Sicilians and Maltese, not to Palestinians, if I may.

Ashkenazim (and even Sicilians/Maltese for that matter) would be the genetic equivalent of half Levantine, half North Italian. For Jews, this may be close to their true admixture.

But even then, Bar Rafaeli looks Nordic. Not South Euro and Levantine. :lol:

[Isleño]

Ashkenazim (and even Sicilians/Maltese for that matter) would be the genetic equivalent of half Levantine, half North Italian. For Jews, this may be close to their true admixture.

But even then, Bar Rafaeli looks Nordic. Not South Euro and Levantine. :lol:But I've noticed with Jews they can sometimes look very Northern Euro. I do know they vary often from 30%-70% Hebrew ancestry, so I assume the more northern Euro AJ's are less Hebrew in ancestry. And i think it's more Spain/Levantine for Sicilian/Maltese as a genetic equivalent than north Italy/Levantine imo. Also, on 23andme results of Sicilians notice it's mostly Italian with like 9%-12% Middle East, do you remember what they are basing the ME on? Can't be Levantine huh or is it

[Sikeliot]

But I've noticed with Jews they can sometimes look very Northern Euro. I do know they vary often from 30%-70% Hebrew ancestry, so I assume the more northern Euro AJ's are less Hebrew in ancestry. And i think it's more Spain/Levantine for Sicilian/Maltese as a genetic equivalent than north Italy/Levantine imo. Also, on 23andme results of Sicilians notice it's mostly Italian with like 9%-12% Middle East, do you remember what they are basing the ME on? Can't be Levantine huh or is it

Western Sicily it comes up Spain/Levant or sometimes Spain/Assyria, or Spain/Armenia. Eastern Sicily comes up North Italy/Levant.

On 23andme Ashkenazim rarely score MENA because all of theirs is embedded into the Ashkenazi cluster.

[zhaoyun]

Rai obviously.

[Isleño]

Western Sicily it comes up Spain/Levant or sometimes Spain/Assyria, or Spain/Armenia. Eastern Sicily comes up North Italy/Levant.

On 23andme Ashkenazim rarely score MENA because all of theirs is embedded into the Ashkenazi cluster.
No I meant Sicilian results on 23andme. I see them usually ranging 9%-13% ME and the rest mostly Italian.

[Isleño]

Rai obviously.

Obviously was the key word, lol

[Sikeliot]

No I meant Sicilian results on 23andme. I see them usually ranging 9%-13% ME and the rest mostly Italian.

I've seen as low as 0.7% MENA all the way up to 30%. Most fall in the 10-15% range, I think, with 12% being typical.

Same is true of Aegean islanders. The results come out close, only the latter have more Balkan. But their first score is often Italian too.

[Hahnbachert]

neither look plaestaine

[Isleño]

I've seen as low as 0.7% MENA all the way up to 30%. Most fall in the 10-15% range, I think, with 12% being typical.

Same is true of Aegean islanders. The results come out close, only the latter have more Balkan. But their first score is often Italian too.
Yes, that's why I said 9%-13% ME because most I've seen were in that range. Who do you think are more extra-European, Sicilians, A.Jews, Sephardic Jews, Greek Islanders, Greek Cypriots or Canarians?

[Sikeliot]

Yes, that's why I said 9%-13% ME because most I've seen were in that range. Who do you think are more extra-European, Sicilians, A.Jews, Sephardic Jews, Greek Islanders, Greek Cypriots or Canarians?

Canarians' North African input pulls them further because it's different in a way West Asian DNA is not, but in terms of amount?

Cyprus > Sephardim> Sicily/Crete/Dodecanese/Ashkenazim (add Calabria here too) > other Aegean islands > Canarians.

[Isleño]

Cyprus > Sephardim> Sicily/Crete/Dodecanese/Ashkenazim (add Calabria here too) > other Aegean islands > Canarians.
So you think Cypriots are the most extra-European and Canarians the least?

[Sikeliot]

So you think Cypriots are the most extra-European and Canarians the least?

Yes.

[Isleño]

Yes.
And you think Sicilians are more extra-European than a Canarian?

[Ingenious]

Ashkenazim (and even Sicilians/Maltese for that matter) would be the genetic equivalent of half Levantine, half North Italian. For Jews, this may be close to their true admixture.

But even then, Bar Rafaeli looks Nordic. Not South Euro and Levantine. :lol:

So all that time in movies where they had Jesus being protrayed by an italian actor was actually accurate...lol

[Antimage]

This is Aishwarya Rai
http://cdn2.stylecraze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/aishwarya-rai-without-makeup.jpg
These are palestinians
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK8Ug1AUAAE9PLQ.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/F17YEE/gaza-city-the-gaza-strip-palestine-29th-aug-2015-palestinian-girls-F17YEE.jpg
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/palestinian-girls-in-traditional-dress-dance-in-the-northern-west-picture-id73814205

It's obvious, Aishwarya Rai fits better than Bar Rafaeli who looks northern european and can't pass at all. There's a reason why some palis call jews "euro/white colonizers"


Even though Jews are genetically very close to Palestinians, the types who look like Rafaeli I doubt would really pass at all.

How you know where she plots genetically?

Btw, I voted Bar Rafeli, but only by accident.

[The Blade]

Rai.

[TenaciousTopologist]

aishwarya has a very indid face, don't let the makeup and pigmentation fool you

[Kamal900]

Aishwarya Rai passes obviously. Bar looks very western and central European to me.

[lameduck]

Ashwairya rai obviously

[crazyladybutterfly]

doesnt the second look too much indian? or ? some palestinians look european

[von.nteller]

LMAO Aishwarya Rai doesn't look anything like a Palestinian. She looks very South Asian.

Palestinians can pass in South Italy and Southern Europe

[von.nteller]

Southern Europeans on this forum are LAUGHABLE. Palestinians more often than not can pass in Southern Europe.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Southern Europeans on this forum are LAUGHABLE. Arabs look more like Southern Europeans than South Asians look like Arabs.

actually i agree. indians are borderline from another race or completely of another race depending on the individual

[crazyladybutterfly]

LMAO Aishwarya Rai doesn't look anything like a Palestinian. She looks very South Asian.

Palestinians can pass in South Italy and Southern Europe

not the average palestinian but some do indeed pass

[Antimage]

Southern Europeans on this forum are LAUGHABLE. Palestinians more often than not can pass in Southern Europe.


LMAO Aishwarya Rai doesn't look anything like a Palestinian. She looks very South Asian.

Palestinians can pass in South Italy and Southern Europe

But question is: who fit better? Bar Rafaeli looks central/northern european, not even southern. Not sure what southern europeans have to do with tihs.
Even Gilgamesh the Pali member voted Rai fits better. Btw to the untrained eye the south asian look don't mean much, if she's similar in pigmentation, she pass.

[von.nteller]

Here you geniuses.

Palestinian-American girls with actor Bill Pullman. I'm pretty sure even someone with 20/300 vision like myself would know they aren't South Indians even without my contacts or glasses on. If anything I'd mistake them as Sicilian.

http://media.jrn.com/images/cherien+dabis_1407354279609_7246805_ver1.0_640_480 .jpg

[crazyladybutterfly]

Here you geniuses.

Palestinian-American girls with actor Bill Pullman. I'm pretty sure even someone with 20/300 vision like myself would know they aren't South Indians even without my contacts or glasses on. If anything I'd mistake them as Sicilian.

http://media.jrn.com/images/cherien+dabis_1407354279609_7246805_ver1.0_640_480 .jpg

they pass better as high caste indians than as sicilians . as a group i would never take them for italians only if "alone" except the woman on the left she cant pass at all

[von.nteller]

But question is: who fit better? Bar Rafaeli looks central/northern european, not even southern. Not sure what southern europeans have to do with tihs.
Even Gilgamesh the Pali member voted Rai fits better. Btw to the untrained eye the south asian look don't mean much, if she's similar in pigmentation, she pass.

Okay well in comparison to Bar Rafaeli obviously any Indian fits better in Palestine, because of darker pigmentation.

[RN97]

Neither Bar looks Scando and that other girl like a bollywood Indian...

[von.nteller]

they pass better as high caste indians than as sicilians . as a group i would never take them for italians only if "alone" except the woman on the left she cant pass at all

Okay agreed but there are SOME Palestinians, maybe not the ones I posted, who can look Italian or Southern European.

[Antimage]

Okay agreed but there are SOME Palestinians, maybe not the ones I posted, who can look Italian or Southern European.

This is not subject of this thread. Why you keep bringing this up?


Okay well in comparison to Bar Rafaeli obviously any Indian fits better in Palestine, because of darker pigmentation.

Bar Rafaeli doesn't look pali in facial features either.

[von.nteller]

This is not subject of this thread. Why you keep bringing this up?

Just to convey the point that Rai is a Bollywood actress from South India and looks distinctly South Asian and not like a Middle Eastern Semite.

[von.nteller]

[QUOTE=Odin von Ossetien;4359620
Bar Rafaeli doesn't look pali in facial features either.[/QUOTE]

Indeed.

[JMack]

But question is: who fit better? Bar Rafaeli looks central/northern european, not even southern. Not sure what southern europeans have to do with tihs.
Even Gilgamesh the Pali member voted Rai fits better. Btw to the untrained eye the south asian look don't mean much, if she's similar in pigmentation, she pass.

Exactly. Common people almost never pay attention to facial traits. Pigmentation is what matters the most.

The only cases where facial traits are important are exceptional situations like Black Albinos or something like that.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Jews are not "very close genetically to Palestinians," they're closest to southern Italians. Unless the latter are also "very close to Palestinians."

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316.g002&representation=PNG_L

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316

[Sebastianus Rex]

I doubt Aishwarya Rai passes outside of the Indian Subcontinent.

Agree, would pass in Iran also imo.

[Hadouken]

aishwarya is really attractive :loveheart:

I think she also would pass better as palestinian than rafaeli . but neither fit as palestinian and aishwarya actually looks distinctive south asian ...the light pigmentation doesnt change this . and no she cant pass as Iranian either (imo) . I dont know why light indians always get placed in Iran ...very odd .

I can at least tell you that aishwarya doesnt look Kurdish or anything other west asian. it is impossible . same applies to rafaeli btw.

[Tooting Carmen]

aishwarya is really attractive :loveheart:

I think she also would pass better as palestinian than rafaeli . but neither fit as palestinian and aishwarya actually looks distinctive south asian ...the light pigmentation doesnt change this . and no she cant pass as Iranian either (imo) . I dont know why light indians always get placed in Iran ...very odd .

I can at least tell you that aishwarya would never ever pass as Kurdish or anything other west asian. it is impossible . same applies to rafaeli btw.

Light Indians usually get placed in Iran because it is next door to the Subcontinent and many (though by no means all) lighter South Asians do look wholly or partly Iranid.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I agree Neither of them look Palestinian at all I would say they equally don't fit in to 98% degree however 2° 2 neither of them look Palestinian at all I would say they equally don't fit add a 98% degree however at a 2% agree I guess the nod goes to show how are yo goes to Aishwarya, who looks only Shouth Asian and I could never see as anything other than South Asian.

[Hadouken]

Light Indians usually get placed in Iran because it is next door to the Subcontinent and many (though by no means all) lighter South Asians do look wholly or partly Iranid.

no they dont . they still look south asian mostly . not all south asians are dark ...they have their own variation but in most cases they still look south asian and not iranian . but you can disagree of course . I have experience from real life with both peoples and am content with what I say

also Iran is not "next door to the subcontinent" .. the majority of Iranians are located in west iran . on the southeast you have baloch people . and iran on the east borders pakistan and afghanistan first . it is a big stretch what you say

[Tooting Carmen]

no they dont . they still look south asian mostly . not all south asians are dark ...they have their own variation but in most cases they still look south asian and not iranian . but you can disagree of course . I have experience from real life with both peoples and am content with what I say

Southern and Eastern Iranians can often look wholesale Pakistani themselves though. But I agree people from Tehran and the North are very different.

[Hadouken]

Southern and Eastern Iranians can often look wholesale Pakistani themselves though. But I agree people from Tehran and the North are very different.

yes I agree . especially eastern iranians . however "pakistani" is also a vague term since you have also different peoples there such as pashtuns for example who can often look iranian etc.

but people like aishwarya look obviously south asian . not sure where else she would pass though . that would be an interesting question

[Tooting Carmen]

yes I agree . especially eastern iranians . however "pakistani" is also a vague term since you have also different peoples there such as pashtuns for example who can often look iranian etc.

but people like aishwarya look obviously south asian . not sure where else she would pass though . that would be an interesting question

Outside the Subcontinent, I think Aishwarya could actually pass as a Mestiza (especially in Mexico, but also some other countries like Colombia and Venezuela).

[Tooting Carmen]

Brazilian actress Juliana Paes has a certain resemblance to her:
http://justlia.com.br/JLBatalha/novo-cabelo-juliana-paes-antes.jpghttp://mediamass.net/jdd/public/documents/celebrities/5699.jpg

[Hadouken]

^ I dont see it tbh.

[Tooting Carmen]

^ I dont see it tbh.

Try these photos?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/eb/fa/ce/ebfacec1a9896403b95c4d0520d341a1.jpghttp://cidadeverde.com/assets/uploads/noticias/5e1ba323fa43df5746a93658fe9cbdb3.jpghttp://cdn.ofuxico.com.br/img/upload/noticias/2016/05/13/265534_36.jpghttps://s2.glbimg.com/jXoWhlfvawrDZm-To6xeCuYOvo0=/top/e.glbimg.com/og/ed/f/original/2016/02/12/julianapaes.jpg

[Hadouken]

^ not at all man . one of us needs glasses

[Hahnbachert]

in my ipinion aishwraya couldnmt even pass as northern indian. she loooks very southenr

[Odin]

Aishwarya Rai.

[Carlito's Way]

Aishwarya would pass better

never seen a Palestine like Rafaeli eveeeeeeeeeeeeer, that is how they wished they looked, in fact that is how levant people wish they looked

[Arbërori]

Aishwarya obviously.

Although Bar looks a bit like Gigi Hadid, who is half Palestinian.

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[Papastratosels26]

Aishwarya

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[IncelSlayer]

I have never seen an indian looking jew/palestinian in my life but theres tones of these NW euro ones among jews, so first option obviously.

[Tauromachos]

Ashkenazi Jews are genetically closer to Southern European populations than to Palestinian natives.

[Borealis]

I refuse to answer this question, it seems like there's an agenda here.