Have you found any previously unknown relatives thanks to DNA tests?

[Peterski]

I know one Polish guy who shares 97 total cM (the largest segment is 23 cM) in common with another person on GEDmatch. He contacted that person, and it turned out that they are relatives, because that person is descended from one of this guy's great-grandparents. So they share a great-grandparent in common.

Have any of you found previously unknown relatives thanks to DNA tests? :confused:

[Peterski]

Dick just thumbed up my post.

Sorry Dick, how could I forget that you found out that Magnolia is your cousin thanks to DNA! :)

But are there any other cases?

[Dick]

Not yet but good thread. I have subscribed.

[Dick]

Dick just thumbed up my post.

Sorry Dick, how could I forget that you found out that Magnolia is your cousin thanks to DNA! :)

But are there any other cases?

I am related to a lot of Czechs probably since I'm the Original czech

[Antimage]

how is relative defined here? How distant?
Never done a dna test so i dont know.

[Ilma]

Dick does not want to check my DNA with him :(

BTW yes there are several persons in the list I should check it out.

[Peterski]

how is relative defined here? How distant?
Never done a dna test so i dont know.

My closest match on GEDmatch shares 36 total cM with me (largest cM 15.4).

She has contacted me via e-mail, but it turned out that we are most likely not related during the last few generations. Her ancestors are from a different part of Poland. But I guess that if you share 100 total cM with someone, then it might be your close relative (like in that case described in the OP).

I have another match who shares 24.6 cM with me, and all of this is one segment (largest cM 24.6). Also she has a surname which is common in my region (I know some people with this surname).

I will probably contact her, because this might be some closer relative.

[Voskos]

i have some IBD sharing with neolithics and loschbour . Didn't bother contacting them

[Peterski]

I also share 22.2 cM with a user called *SH_Dick-Wahl.

Dick - is that you? :D What does SH stand for ???

I have total cM 22.2 and largest cM also 22.2 with him (?).

[Dick]

I also share 22.2 cM with a user called *SH_Dick-Wahl.

Dick - is that you? :D What does SH stand for ???

I have total cM 22.2 and largest cM also 22.2 with him (?).

Shit, are we related then.

[Peterski]

What is SH though? Schleswig-Holstein?

[Not a Cop]

I have no close cousins, but both of grandmas have, and their matches come from places their ancestor inhabited.

[Dick]

What is SH though? Schleswig-Holstein?

Serb Hero

[Peterski]

i have some IBD sharing with neolithics and loschbour . Didn't bother contacting them

I've uploaded some ancient samples on GEDmatch.

And some them have relatives in "One-to-many". :lol:

[DRUM]

yes one guy, his grandma and my great-great-grandma had same surname from same place. I dunno what is the exact relationship, but 23andme makes it way closer than it really is. It says he's my 2nd cousin.. He's probably my mothers 4th/5th cousin. But it's also possible we're related through maternal grandpa as well..

[Peterski]

yes one guy, his grandma and my great-great-grandma had same surname from same place. I dunno what is the exact relationship, but 23andme makes it way closer than it really is. It says he's my 2nd cousin.. He's probably my mothers 4th/5th cousin. But it's also possible we're related through maternal grandpa as well..

How many total cM do you share on GEDmatch? And what is the largest segment (how many cM)?

[DRUM]

How many total cM do you share on GEDmatch? And what is the largest segment (how many cM)?

he doesn't have GEDmatch.. on 23andme 1,20%, 10 segments

[de Burgh II]

Idk... usually British Isles/Irish and French peoples I share segments with.... :shrug:

[Peterski]

Idk... usually British Isles/Irish and French peoples I share segments with.... :shrug:

But are any of them your relatively close (in genealogical timeframe) relatives? Probably not.

[Peterski]

On FTDNA Family Finder my closest match is this:

Shared Centimograms - 80
Longest Block - 42

So probably closer than my GEDmatch matches?

[Voskos]

On FTDNA Family Finder my closest match is this:

Shared Centimograms - 80
Longest Block - 42

So probably closer than my GEDmatch matches?

seems like a 3d cousin imo

[Mat123]

I've found two 2nd cousins once removed, seems like pointless information though unless you're adopted or don't know your ancestry.

[Peterski]

seems like a 3d cousin imo

But she is American and has an English surname (maybe it is her husband's surname).

[Voskos]

But she is American and has an English surname (maybe it is her husband's surname).

some ancestor of yours emigrated to usa.my relatives are like that too, with english surnames :D

[Peterski]

some ancestor of yours emigrated to usa.my relatives are like that too, with english surnames :D

They did, I know that I have family in the USA. I also have family in Canada and Australia.

[Kazimiera]

I found Loki. We share 26cM. :)

[Rethel]

I am related to a lot of Czechs probably since I'm the Original czech

Looking that way rather Hungolian... page 12-13 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2014/09/03/008664.full.pdf+html)

[Rethel]

They did, I know that I have family in the USA. I also have family in Canada and Australia.

I know, that I have familly all over the world... 50% of people in both Americas,
13 mln on Phillippinas, 30 mln in China, 408 mln in Europe and Syberia aso... :laugh:

[Dick]

Looking that way rather Hungolian... page 12-13 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2014/09/03/008664.full.pdf+html)

It was found near the slovak border anyway. Probably a Sudeten German farmer.

[Tchek]

On 23andme at the top of the list, there is someone with the same family name as me SAVE for one letter. Which would mean we might be related from the paternal line, even distantly.

I'm undisclosed R1b, and he is R-M405, which I've heard is the new name for R1b U-106.

[Ilma]

On 23andme at the top of the list, there is someone with the same family name as me SAVE for one letter. Which would mean we might be related from the paternal line, even distantly.

I'm undisclosed R1b, and he is R-M405, which I've heard is the new name for R1b U-106.

And we are not cousins nor related according to Gedmatch :)

Wanna discover TA relatives if anyone wants to check, ask me :D

[Enflamme]

And we are not cousins nor related according to Gedmatch :)

Wanna discover TA relatives if anyone wants to check, ask me :D

Oui je veux bien ! Tu peux me passer ton numéro de kit (gedmatch) ? :o

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I found one turns out his grandfather owed mine money, so I tracked him down and collected, but $26.00 were not worth the plane ticket.

[Annie999]

Yes! I am in touch with 3 different distant cousins, one from the italian side and 2 from the lebanese side. 2 curiosities: none of them live neither in Italy or Lebanon as their ancestors also emigrated. The other curiosity is even Im only 1/8 lebanese that side has been by FAR the most prolific of all and I have so many matches because of it.

[Ilma]

Comparing Kit Ilma and MysteriousWays

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
7 98,486,005 103,423,649 3.1 705
17 45,360,879 47,178,422 3.0 588
Largest segment = 3.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 6.1 cM
2 matching segments

506500 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.02468 seconds.
Ver: Apr 21 2017 12:02:17

A bit related :D Don't know from where ??? (edit : from Spanish ancestry probably) :)


Comparing Kit Ilma and Enflamme

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Largest segment = 0.0 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 0.0 cM
(2165) No shared DNA segments found

299664 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.04806 seconds.
Ver: Apr 21 2017 12:02:17

0 matching with Enfamme. I thought we would match a bit since Picards are close geographically to Normans and I have ancestors with surname from Northern France and close to Belgium, but no lol.


Comparing Kit Ilma and Tchek

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 58,060,905 60,641,483 3.8 507
1 64,431,185 66,958,650 2.6 555
16 1,461,746 2,187,363 1.8 520

Largest segment = 3.8 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 8.3 cM
3 matching segments

502063 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.03433 seconds.
Ver: Apr 21 2017 12:02:17

Litvin, what does it mean ? Are Tchek and me cousins finally ? :D

[Peterski]

0 matching with Enfamme. I thought we would match a bit since Picards are close geographically to Normans and I have ancestors with surname from Northern France and close to Belgium, but no lol.

On the other hand, we have one matching segment!: :)

Comparing Kit Litvin and Ilma:

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
11 44,596,592 57,657,752 2.7 586

Largest segment = 2.7 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 2.7 cM
1 matching segments

299109 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.03771 seconds.
Ver: Apr 21 2017 12:02:17

=========================

I wonder why for some comparisons over 500,000 SNPs are used and for some only 300,000. Probably when you compare two kits from 23andMe it is 500,000 but if you compare 23andMe kits with FTDNA kits, it is 300,000. Because each company is using its own set of SNPs and there is no perfect overlap.


Litvin, what does it mean ? Are Tchek and me cousins finally ? :D

I don't think so.

Not enough matching. :( It is probably something from many, many generations ago.

[Ilma]

On the other hand, we have one matching segment!: :)

Comparing Kit Litvin and Ilma:

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
11 44,596,592 57,657,752 2.7 586
Largest segment = 2.7 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 2.7 cM
1 matching segments

299109 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.03771 seconds.
Ver: Apr 21 2017 12:02:17

=========================

I wonder why for some comparisons over 500,000 SNPs are used and for some only 300,000. Probably when you compare two kits from 23andMe it is 500,000 but if you compare 23andMe kit with FTDNA kit, it is 300,000. Because each company is using its own set of SNPs and there is no perfect overlap.

Nice :D I wonder from when we share something. It sounds MysteriousWays and me share a bit from spanish ancestry of mine. Still wondering from when Tchek and me are related but for us it makes more sense :D We are close in our results basically (from my Norman side) and Normans / Belgians shared somewhat close background long ago.

[Ülev]

one, big R1 conspiracy!

[Peterski]

Nice :D I wonder from when we share something.

Well, GEDmatch says that our matching segment is on the 11th chromosome, between 44 and 58:


Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
11 44,596,592 57,657,752 2.7 586

So I checked chromosome painting in Eurogenes K36 calculator.

It seems that this part is mostly "North_Sea" in your case but "Italian" in my case. Quite confusing?: :confused:

http://i.imgur.com/7kXAzeA.png

Or maybe I'm doing something wrong.

[Ilma]

Well, GEDmatch says that our matching segment is on the 11th chromosome, between 44 and 58:

So I checked chromosome painting in Eurogenes K36 calculator.

It seems that this part is mostly "North_Sea" in your case but "Italian" in my case. Quite confusing?: :confused:

http://i.imgur.com/7kXAzeA.png

Or maybe I'm doing something wrong.

Amazing :D THERE around the 50 til 60 you see my orange painted chromosomes ? is that orange italian as well ? if so we match there in "orange" chromosomes probably. WTF a pole and a norman/septimanian sharing from one italian ancestor ?? :lol: Let's blame the romans :D

[Peterski]

THERE around the 50 til 60 you see my orange painted chromosomes ? is that orange italian as well ? if so we match there in "orange" chromosomes probably. WTF a pole and a norman/septimanian sharing from one italian ancestor ?? :lol:

LOL. :lol: I even score 1% Italian in DNA Land. And in K36 I get 6% "Italian" (and 12% "North_Sea").

These admixtures are based on Northern and Central Italians (Tuscans) by the way. From DNA Land:


South/Central European

Includes: Italian/Bergamo, Italian/Tuscan and Toscani in (Bergamo, Tuscany and 1 other site) Italy

[Ilma]

LOL. :lol: I even score 1% Italian in DNA Land. And in K36 I get 6% "Italian" (and 12% "North_Sea").

These admixtures are based on Northern and Central Italians (Tuscans) by the way. From DNA Land:

Thank you btw, that's funny :D Well I have 0,9% italian according to 23andme :lol: maybe some Casanova latin lover who travelled a lot in Europe from France to Poland :lol:

What test did you used to compare the chromosomes ? I wanna check it with Tchek please :D

[Peterski]

Michał Milewski from FTDNA stuff told me how many segments he shares with his relatives.

Sharing on FTDNA (total cM / largest cM) and sharing on GEDmatch (total cM / largest cM):

Parent-child:

3384 / 267 and 3584.7 / 297.5

Uncle-nephew:

1718 / 121 and 1841.7 / 127

First-degree cousins:

1146 / 84 and 1216 / 72.7*
1037 / 95 and 1093.1 / 95.7**
840 / 62 and 896.4 / 62.6

First-degree cousins once removed:

680 / 57 and 712 / 57.1*
583 / 88 and 603.9 / 91**
383 / 34 and 396.1 / 35.2

Second-degree cousins:

220 / 33 and 198.8 / 33

Second-degree cousins once removed:

169 / 40 and 161.6 / 39
163 / 28 and 160.5 / 25.6*

Third-degree cousins:

91 / 18 and 94.4 / 18.5*

Third-degree cousins once removed:

115 / 33 and 71 / 31.1**
29 / 11 and 12.7 / 12.7

* - also additionally related through another (more distant) line of ancestry
** - probably also additionally related through another (more distant?) line

[Peterski]

I guess that over 100 total cM and over 10 largest cM can be cousins.

But they can be also unrelated people from very similar ethnic groups?

Edit:

This can also be useful: https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics

https://s11.postimg.org/ky1nwecoz/pra.jpg

Edit:

More about it: http://cryokidconfessions.blogspot.com/2011/09/dna-numbers-game.html


Parent/child: 3539-3748 centimorgans (cMs)
1st cousins: 548-1034 cMs
1st cousins once removed: 248-638 cMs
2nd cousins: 101-378 cMs
2nd cousins once removed: 43-191 cMs
3rd cousins: 43-ca 150 cMs
3rd cousins once removed: 11.5-99 cMs
4th and more distant cousins: 5-ca 50 cMs

[Peterski]

What test did you used to compare the chromosomes ? I wanna check it with Tchek please :D

I used this (and Eurogenes K36 calculator):

http://i.imgur.com/nKtNaU6.png

Not sure how reliable this is. :p In some calculators "Chromosome Painting" gives me admixtures which don't show up in "Admixture Proportions", which is weird (or maybe some colors are too similar & confusing).

[Peterski]

By the way - literally all native Europeans are at least something like 16th cousins to each other. Maybe even closer than 16th cousins, especially if they are from the same ethnic group. People don't share much more of DNA in common with their distant cousins than with any random person from their ethnic group.

[Rethel]

16th cousins

A po ludzku?

[frankhammer]

.39% and 2 segments to a 4th/5th cousin on 23andme is the best I've come across.

[Peterski]

Comparing Kit Enflamme and Litvin:

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 88,365,638 90,885,357 2.5 573
1 168,251,070 169,695,897 1.5 543
1 207,301,380 210,165,083 2.9 734
2 56,068,020 59,155,076 2.2 746
2 142,411,868 144,996,256 2.4 509
5 101,872,677 105,237,520 2.2 610
5 148,680,144 150,490,426 4.1 620
8 17,602,799 18,474,149 1.9 515
8 33,089,049 37,300,668 2.2 503
8 52,116,994 55,305,803 3.8 646
8 77,852,892 81,969,653 2.1 715
9 128,350,175 130,963,859 3.8 545
11 103,451,371 106,261,906 1.5 520
12 20,743,588 21,907,035 1.9 633
12 39,534,200 41,589,236 1.4 538
15 72,491,641 75,869,833 1.8 523
18 28,411,147 31,240,598 1.9 500
19 40,738,797 43,994,998 2.0 634
20 43,378,372 44,787,398 1.7 500
Largest segment = 4.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 43.8 cM
19 matching segments

670330 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.03787 seconds.
Ver: Apr 21 2017 12:02:17

Enflamme how much of Polish ancestry do you have?

BTW - both kits are from FTDNA (starting with a T...).

[Ilma]

Comparing Kit Enflamme and Litvin:

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 88,365,638 90,885,357 2.5 573
1 168,251,070 169,695,897 1.5 543
1 207,301,380 210,165,083 2.9 734
2 56,068,020 59,155,076 2.2 746
2 142,411,868 144,996,256 2.4 509
5 101,872,677 105,237,520 2.2 610
5 148,680,144 150,490,426 4.1 620
8 17,602,799 18,474,149 1.9 515
8 33,089,049 37,300,668 2.2 503
8 52,116,994 55,305,803 3.8 646
8 77,852,892 81,969,653 2.1 715
9 128,350,175 130,963,859 3.8 545
11 103,451,371 106,261,906 1.5 520
12 20,743,588 21,907,035 1.9 633
12 39,534,200 41,589,236 1.4 538
15 72,491,641 75,869,833 1.8 523
18 28,411,147 31,240,598 1.9 500
19 40,738,797 43,994,998 2.0 634
20 43,378,372 44,787,398 1.7 500
Largest segment = 4.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 43.8 cM
19 matching segments

670330 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.03787 seconds.
Ver: Apr 21 2017 12:02:17

Enflamme how much of Polish ancestry do you have?

BTW - both kits are from FTDNA (starting with a T...).

This makes more sense since he has some attested polish ancestry :p Funny you matched ! He's my neighboor (Normandy - Picardy are border neighboors totally) and we share nothing :eek:

[Peterski]

This makes more sense since he has some attested polish ancestry :p Funny you matched ! He's my neighboor (Normandy - Picardy are border neighboors totally) and we share nothing :eek:

Maybe his Polish ancestors came from my region?


and we share nothing

Maybe you would share some if more SNPs were included?

Only ~300,000 SNPs were used in that comparison.

It is because his kit is from FTDNA and your from 23andMe.

[Peterski]

I'm not sure which settings are the best when it comes to this:


Minimum threshold size to be included in total
Mismatch-bunching Limit
Size (in SNPs) of Mismatch Evaluation window.
Minimum segment cM to be included in total

Maybe Petalpusher will know which settings are "optimal" ??? :)

But surely we should use the same settings for each comparison.

[Enflamme]

Comparing Kit Enflamme and Litvin:

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 88,365,638 90,885,357 2.5 573
1 168,251,070 169,695,897 1.5 543
1 207,301,380 210,165,083 2.9 734
2 56,068,020 59,155,076 2.2 746
2 142,411,868 144,996,256 2.4 509
5 101,872,677 105,237,520 2.2 610
5 148,680,144 150,490,426 4.1 620
8 17,602,799 18,474,149 1.9 515
8 33,089,049 37,300,668 2.2 503
8 52,116,994 55,305,803 3.8 646
8 77,852,892 81,969,653 2.1 715
9 128,350,175 130,963,859 3.8 545
11 103,451,371 106,261,906 1.5 520
12 20,743,588 21,907,035 1.9 633
12 39,534,200 41,589,236 1.4 538
15 72,491,641 75,869,833 1.8 523
18 28,411,147 31,240,598 1.9 500
19 40,738,797 43,994,998 2.0 634
20 43,378,372 44,787,398 1.7 500
Largest segment = 4.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 43.8 cM
19 matching segments

670330 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.03787 seconds.
Ver: Apr 21 2017 12:02:17

Enflamme how much of Polish ancestry do you have?

BTW - both kits are from FTDNA (starting with a T...).

Mother of my paternal grandfather was a pure Polish.

[Petalpusher]

Better to use One-to-One than chromosome painting. Make sure you use the same settings, im not sure which are ideal for these distant relationship but at default setting the MRCA generation is showing. For comparison, a Canadian distant cousin (her ancestors were living in the same village than my grandparents)


Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 7.0 cM


Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
20 9,058,759 12,694,333 8.7 525
Largest segment = 8.7 cM
Total of segments > 7 cM = 8.7 cM
1 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 6.7


Another one connected to my tree, from Switzerland


6 68,804,290 88,843,351 11.1 3,153
Largest segment = 11.1 cM
Total of segments > 7 cM = 11.1 cM
1 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 5.2



Now if i put the threshold at 1cm it is showing bigger segments but the MRCA is disappearing (Most Recent Common Ancestor).


Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM


Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 171,715,659 176,185,444 3.4 622
2 31,252,862 33,928,160 2.5 573
2 51,666,614 54,122,254 2.0 545
4 79,327,613 83,374,660 3.5 580
5 84,269,988 88,925,711 2.4 515
5 162,611,686 166,310,859 5.8 697
6 68,804,290 88,843,351 11.1 3,153
8 108,940,278 114,973,907 2.2 647

Largest segment = 11.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 33.0 cM
8 matching segments

[Kazimiera]

I'm very curious to see if I match with any of the members here. For those who are interested, PLEASE send me your Gedmatch number (that is if you are willing to share it)!! I'd love to discover some relatives on this forum!

[Kazimiera]

I brought the number of cM lower. I've been checking at a default level of 7cM.

So far...... (I will keep updating!)

Loki - 129.1 cM
Sikeliot - 71 cM
Mortimer - 62.5 cM
Litvin - 37.6 cM
Enflamme - 3.4cM
Ilma - 14.5 cM
Tchek - 25.6 cM
de Burgh II - 4.6 cM
Loki - 26 cM


:joy

[Enflamme]

I brought the number of cM lower. I've been checked at a default level of 5 or 7.

So far:

Litvin - 2.8 cM
Enflamme - 3.4cM

:joy

I love you my sister... <3

[Rethel]

16th cousins
A po ludzku?

It is 32th degree of relativeness... :picard2:

It is like having common ascendant in the middle of XVth century....

It means 1 of 131,000 of ascendants in that generation...

[Rethel]

I brought the number of cM lower. I've been checking at a default level of 7cM.

So far:

Litvin - 2.8 cM
Enflamme - 3.4cM

:joy

And what it means?

[Kazimiera]

And what it means?

It means that the hot and steamy romantic relationship between me and Enflamme is over.

[Enflamme]

It means that the hot and steamy romantic relationship between me and Enflamme is over.

:love0045:

[Kazimiera]

:love0045:

I know. I know. It is very sad but there is always a next lifetime. But we must make a pact in this lifetime that I will be Eskimo next time around, and you must be Aborigine. That way there is less chance and we can pick up where we left off in this lifetime.

[Ilma]

Comparing Kit Ilma and Kazimiera

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 64,345,655 67,311,944 3.3 629
2 107,148,335 112,615,980 4.1 580
6 25,607,874 31,872,878 1.8 2,304
6 58,762,701 67,509,371 2.1 617
16 1,435,301 3,034,262 3.2 639

Largest segment = 4.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 14.5 cM
5 matching segments

499591 SNPs used for this comparison.

Kazi, we share a lot :eek: from where ?? :confused:

[de Burgh II]

I guess TA is a brotherhood/sisterhood after all! :p

[Ilma]

I guess TA is a brotherhood/sisterhood after all! :p

European brotherhood !!! :grouphug:

[Kazimiera]

Kazi, we share a lot :eek: from where ?? :confused:

Paternal side. Grenoble, France - 1600s.

[Ilma]

Paternal side. Grenoble, France - 1600s.

No, definitely not :eek: Impossible, I have none ancestor from here. Send me PM if you wanna share where from is your ancestry but I assure you, nothing from my side 1600's around there.

[frankhammer]

Maybe someone should have explained in an early post what all the cM's, segments, their sizes and so forth mean.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I discovered I actually had a twin through it, I tracked him down living in San Marino using my name and living a somewhat parallel life to mine, so I killed him because there can only be one, and to increase my powers.

[de Burgh II]

I'm willing to see if I have any matches with anyone out of curiosity... Let me know via PM! :P

[frankhammer]

I discovered I actually had a twin through it, I tracked him down living in San Marino using my name and living a somewhat parallel life to mine, so I killed him because there can only be one, and to increase my powers.


Not smart man. You keep them alive so to harvest organs later in life as required.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Not smart man. You keep them alive so to harvest organs later in life as required.

That's what the freezer is for ;). It's at a morgue which I have access too in the vicinity.

[Tchek]

Kazimiera vs Tchek
Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM


Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
2 194,199,141 200,459,827 4.3 689
3 19,432,111 21,911,536 4.2 563
3 46,148,450 53,219,643 1.8 591
5 137,653,127 141,744,840 4.1 519
6 31,633,427 33,203,494 1.5 1,038
12 68,333,765 71,123,052 2.0 586
16 874,181 2,683,419 4.6 681
17 46,869,866 50,398,768 3.3 616
Largest segment = 4.6 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 25.6 cM
8 matching segments

[Kelmendasi]

I'm related to Dema and Herr Abubu apparently

[Kazimiera]

...

That's also a lot! Jesus, my family sure got around....

[de Burgh II]

That's also a lot! Jesus, my family sure got around....

Nice to meet you cousin! :p


Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 4.0 cM


Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
20 15,962,926 18,841,394 4.6 742
Largest segment = 4.6 cM
Total of segments > 4 cM = 4.6 cM

[Petalpusher]

I don't want to rain on all this brotherhood love parade but at 1cM everybody is possibly related, normal European relationship. Leave it at default (7cM), maybe 5 to push it, if you have some segments then there s really something.

[Ilma]

That's also a lot! Jesus, my family sure got around....

My huguenots brother and sister ! :eek:

I have to find out if my Norman huguenots WENT to Holland and mixed with your ancestors or if a related ancestors of yours from Holland moved to Northern Normandy (being a huguenot probably as well) :dunno: It's confusing...

[Peterski]

Litvin - 2.8 cM

I share more with your 2nd kit (probably because there is more "overlap" with FTDNA in SNPs):

Comparing Kit W6***** (Kazimiera) and T2***** (Litvin):

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 167,999,969 170,135,865 2.2 731
2 52,513,378 55,223,351 2.2 800
2 80,089,762 83,237,213 2.2 541
2 171,492,739 174,015,846 2.7 555
2 184,248,347 188,295,676 1.7 568
2 234,139,989 235,003,270 2.1 516
3 88,146,932 98,569,459 1.2 730
4 47,317,237 54,253,056 2.3 501
6 160,385,743 161,561,470 1.3 564
8 17,602,799 18,890,681 2.8 727
10 120,910,578 122,505,268 2.6 506
11 63,496,144 65,848,390 2.1 570
12 57,125,830 60,234,751 1.7 534
13 46,198,002 48,892,411 2.1 655
14 62,856,110 65,460,852 2.3 537
15 52,597,582 55,581,057 2.2 637
15 71,860,700 75,770,857 2.1 672
16 27,989,176 31,301,045 2.0 519
Largest segment = 2.8 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 37.6 cM
18 matching segments

652118 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.03674 seconds.
Ver: Apr 21 2017 12:02:17

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The number of SNPs used for comparison apparently makes a difference!

So most reliable are comparisons between kits from the same company?

[Kazimiera]

My huguenots brother and sister ! :eek:

I have to find out if my Norman huguenots WENT to Holland and mixed with your ancestors or if a related ancestors of yours from Holland moved to Northern Normandy (being a huguenot probably as well) :dunno: It's confusing...

Whoever they are, they were certainly a fertile bunch! :lol:

[Kazimiera]

Largest segment = 2.8 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 37.6 cM
18 matching segments[/B]

What? So it's 37.6 cM now???? :eek:

[Peterski]

What? So it's 37.6 cM now???? :eek:

Yeah, because "W" kits have more SNP overlap with FTDNA kits ("T" kits).

What is "W" - which company is this? 23andMe kits always start with "M".

[Kazimiera]

Yeah, because "W" kits have more SNP overlap with FTDNA kits ("T" kits).

What is "W" - which company is this? 23andMe kits always start with "M".

I have absolutely no idea. I can't remember. PM me your family surnames!

[Peterski]

Kazimiera, I PM-ed you the surnames.

I'm not sure if we are related, but one branch of your relatives probably live in my area.

So maybe there is some deeper common ancestry.

[Kazimiera]

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If you guys are related to me on my paternal side (which you are) then chances are big that you are related to Loki too.

[Ilma]

Comparing kit de Burgh II and Ilma

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 49,101,454 54,092,925 2.9 559
1 93,096,559 95,549,376 2.4 813
2 177,400,818 180,123,158 2.4 500
12 38,699,250 40,634,290 1.2 620
14 41,215,211 45,988,792 2.9 639
14 49,577,007 51,822,055 2.6 581
16 1,901,675 3,050,715 1.9 571

Largest segment = 2.9 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 16.2 cM
7 matching segments



Old old matching :D


If you guys are related to me on my paternal side (which you are) then chances are big that you are related to Loki too.

Damn, if so they truly bred a lot :eek:

[Rethel]

Kazimiera, I PM-ed you the surnames.

Rosenkrantz, Apfelbaum, Gordberg, Berman, Stoltzman, Mosiek, Icek, Cohen, Weisshaupt and Levy too? ;)

[Peterski]

Rosenkrantz, Apfelbaum, Gordberg, Berman, Stoltzman, Mosiek, Icek, Cohen, Weisshaupt and Levy too? ;)

Yes.

Epstein, Berkowitz, Leibowitz, Chamovitz, Rosenbaum, Rosenblatt, Goldstein, Rosenberg and Chaimov too.

All of them 100% pure Indo-Europeans.

[Rethel]

Yes.

Epstein, Berkowitz, Leibowitz, Chamovitz, Rosenbaum, Rosenblatt, Goldstein, Rosenberg and Chaimov too.

Longberman will be happy :)

[Peterski]

Longberman will be happy :)

I share 123 total cM with him. All "Indo-Europeans" are cousins (if you know what I mean).

[Rethel]

with him. All Indo-Europeans

:mad:

[Rethel]

I share 123 total

i.e.?

[Kazimiera]

...

You are probably my long-lost brother. :D

[Rethel]

You are probably my long-lost brother. :D

Probability is low, but test some guy from your family and we'll see. :)

[Seya]

i didn't find any close relative but the people I mostly share segments with are greeks, turks and romanians

[Peterski]

Ilma, this is probably our common segment:

http://i.imgur.com/2ObLUvR.png

http://i.imgur.com/2ObLUvR.png

This is weird because we both score 0.00% "Oceanian" in K15 Admixture Proportions, but the common segment has some "Oceanian". LOL. Anyway, apart from Oceanian this segment is mostly North_Sea in K15.

PS:

Black area = different. Colorful area = similar (but only some of it are long segments >1 cM).

[Dick]

My closest match on GEDmatch shares 36 total cM with me (largest cM 15.4).

She has contacted me via e-mail, but it turned out that we are most likely not related during the last few generations. Her ancestors are from a different part of Poland. But I guess that if you share 100 total cM with someone, then it might be your close relative (like in that case described in the OP).

I have another match who shares 24.6 cM with me, and all of this is one segment (largest cM 24.6). Also she has a surname which is common in my region (I know some people with this surname).

I will probably contact her, because this might be some closer relative.

These are my largest segment matches. I see a Lithuanian Pole there? How far back is that going or is this even an accurate tool?


http://i65.tinypic.com/2cpt54h.jpg

[Ilma]

Ilma, this is probably our common segment:

http://i.imgur.com/2ObLUvR.png

http://i.imgur.com/2ObLUvR.png

This is weird because we both score 0.00% "Oceanian" in K15 Admixture Proportions, but the common segment has some "Oceanian". LOL. Anyway, apart from Oceanian this segment is mostly North_Sea in K15.

PS:

Black area = different. Colorful area = similar (but only some of it are long segments >1 cM).

OMG thank you for this work, this is pretty clear our matching comes from this North Sea admix, makes more sense than italian :D

BTW I think you mistaken color of FennoScandinavian with Oceanian one, they are both quite close :D

[Rethel]

It is 32th degree of relativeness... :picard2:

It is like having common ascendant in the middle of XVth century....

It means 1 of 131,000 of ascendants in that generation...

[Petalpusher]

It's normal to score a bit of everything per chromosome. If you select "Admixture Proportions by Chromosome" you ll see every admix % for each 22 chromosomes. In the end some just don't make it to the threshold to show in the final admixture, which also depends on the size of the chromosome (percent / snps evaluated). Nothing is really noise in the main admix, there s already a cutoff for that.

[Peterski]

Here is how much I share with various TA members and some other people.

All comparisons posted below have been made with the same settings:

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

People who are not TA members are marked as * (this includes Northener):

*Northener - total 58.8 cM, largest 3.9 cM
Noricum - total 50.7 cM, largest 3.9 cM
Slavic Italian - total 48.7 cM, largest 4.7 cM
*Linda Steinbach - total 48.2 cM, largest 4.0 cM
Mlukas - total 46.6 cM, largest 9.8 cM
Silesian - total 45.2 cM, largest 4.8 cM
Enflamme - total 43.8 cM, largest 4.1 cm
*Amerijoe - total 39.2 cM, largest 5.0 cM
Kazimiera - total 37.6 cM, largest 2.8 cM
Jackson - total 36.9 cM, largest 3.7 cM
Kriptc06 - total 30.6 cM, largest 4.0 cM
Cniva - total 27.4 cM, largest 4.5 cM
Sikeliot - total 24.7 cM, largest 3.7 cM
Potentia - total 20.8 cM, largest 2.3 cM
KnowledgeIsKing - total 10.2 cM, largest 2.9 cM
*Rhea Tannenbaum - total 9.4 cM, largest 3.2 cM
*Clare Ciszewski - total 7.6 cM, largest 7.6 cM
Myth's mom - total 6.3 cM, largest 5.1 cM
CrazyDaisy - total 3.4 cM, largest 3.4 cM
Ilma - total 2.7 cM, largest 2.7 cM
Norka - total 1.5 cM, largest 1.5 cM
Zoran - total 1.2 cM, largest 1.2 cM
Dominicanese - total 0.0 cM, largest 0.0 cM

Surprisingly, I share the most with Northener - who is a Northern Dutchman from the Netherlands. He is registered on Eupedia and on Anthrogenica, but not on TA (as far as I know).

Linda Steinbach is a Prussian German with some ancestry from my region.

Rhea Tannenbaum is a Prussian Jew with some ancestry from my region.

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The reason why I share segments with Northener might be our ancestral connection.

It is possible that one of his ancestors and one of my ancestors came from this area:

https://www.google.nl/maps/place/Melle,+Duitsland/@52.1952334,8.2200709,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47ba1d09a26365e7:0x426cf 7763009500!8m2!3d52.2033222!4d8.3372664

But nothing is certain about it. And that could be only few centuries ago, not recently.

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I share the largest segment with Mlukas, but more of total cM with some others.

The second largest segment I share - 7.6 cM - is with a Pole from my region.

[Lucas]

Yes. We are like cousins:) This is the reason maybe why we interest in the same things like anthro & genetics & history:)

[Kazimiera]

I matched 129.1 cM with Loki. :)

[Rethel]

I matched 129.1 cM with Loki. :)

Like Afrikaner with Afrikanerin :)

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I found someone that had a near exact ydna match with me. But not actual family relatives. And a couple of exact Mtdna matches

[Kazimiera]

I found someone that had a near exact ydna match with me. But not actual family relatives. And a couple of exact Mtdna matches

I found someone with an exact mtDNA match with me. She also isn't a relative and it's rather strange to have such an exact match on a very rare haplogroup.

Sikeliot and I share 71 cM. My biggest match after Loki. :)

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I found someone with an exact mtDNA match with me. She also isn't a relative and it's rather strange to have such an exact match on a very rare haplogroup.

Sikeliot and I share 71 cM. My biggest match after Loki. :)
Mtdna doesnt mutate for a long time. Slower than Y dna also i think. So that is part of the reason why.

Could be from 125 years to about 550 years for last exact common ancestor
5 generations to 22 generations

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170504/92e5e671fb3ead477fd1494ca5ddf6f0.jpg

[Kazimiera]

Mtdna doesnt mutate for a long time. Slower than Y dna also i think. So that is part of the reason why.

Could be from 125 years to about 550 years for last exact common ancestor
5 generations to 22 generations

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170504/92e5e671fb3ead477fd1494ca5ddf6f0.jpg

I didn't know this. Thank you! :)

[Skjaldemjøden]

I found five siblings of my great-great-grandmother, which was interesting.

[Mortimer]

yes many. even some on the forum.

[Źıün]

This guy:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/YuanEmperorAlbumGenghisPortrait.jpg/468px-YuanEmperorAlbumGenghisPortrait.jpg

[Coolguy1]

Is there a way to see how many segments you share with people on family tree or gedmatch?

[Rethel]

This guy:

How, if his DNA is not known... :picard1:

[Kazimiera]

:clapping I'm related to Mortimer too!!

[Iloko]

It listed a 2nd cousin for me on 23andme. I sent her a message but she doesn't reply.

[jingorex]

yes. two uncles and an aunt. all my grandfather kids, totally unknown until ftdna :)

[Barba]

I found out about close relative in Brazil, until then I only knew about relatives in USA