Why do some Latinos score a lot of African North?

[CrazyDaisy]

Some of them seem to score about 4 or 5%. I only scored 1%. This seems to be more on the old chip. Is this because i tested on the new chip or am I less woggy than average?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I only score 2% on 23andme.

[Peterski]

or am I less woggy than average?

I will make a comparison based on Eurogenes K36 calculator:

North African admixture:

Portugal_average - 5.08 %
Spain_average - 4.34 %
CrazyDaisy - 2.63 %
Spanish_Basque - 0.05 %
French_Basque - 0.00 %

Arabian admixture:

Spain_average - 1.68 %
Portugal_average - 1.39 %
CrazyDaisy - 0.00 %
Spanish_Basque - 0.00 %
French_Basque - 0.00 %

Near Eastern admixture:

Portugal_average - 2.96 %
Spain_average - 1.86 %
CrazyDaisy - 0.29 %
Spanish_Basque - 0.00 %
French_Basque - 0.00 %

Northeast African admixture:

Portugal_average - 0.56 %
Spain_average - 0.22 %
CrazyDaisy - 0.20 %
Spanish_Basque - 0.00 %
French_Basque - 0.00 %

[Erronkari]

Interesting question... my case is curious... nothing north african but neither northern european. The last is quite common in people with iberian ancestry... 64721

64722

64723

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

Probably because of higher Sephardic Jewish ancestry than normal due to many of them having been expelled to the Americas (also some Moriscos), and also higher than normal ancestry from the Canary Islands

[Carlito's Way]

North African can also be found among black African groups, especially in Fulani people which many were captured and brought over to the Americas as slaves
so some of our North African is due to black African ancestry as well, but it all depends on what group
Because I have seen numerous Cape Verdeans who are pred SSA and have between 5-9% North African

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

What regions make up the Spain_average?

[Heather Duval]

because they are southern euro descents

[Kriptc06]

Probably because of higher Sephardic Jewish ancestry than normal due to many of them having been expelled to the Americas (also some Moriscos), and also higher than normal ancestry from the Canary Islands

this. Moriscos and Jews.

[Peterski]

And here some of Eurogenes K36 admixtures that you have more of than Iberians:

Amerindian admixture:

CrazyDaisy - 25.42 %
Portugal_average - 0.08 %
Spain_average - 0.07 %
Spanish_Basque - 0.03 %
French_Basque - 0.00 %

North Sea admixture:

CrazyDaisy - 9.02 % (so around 12-14% of your European ancestry)
Portugal_average - 8.40 %
Spain_Catalan - 8.24 %
Spain_Galicia - 7.68 %
Spain_average - 6.60 %
Spanish_Basque - 5.87 %
French_Basque - 5.52 %
Spain_Andalusia - 5.52 %

FennoScandian admixture:

CrazyDaisy - 3.99 %
Portugal_average - 2.76 %
Spain_average - 2.23 %
French_Basque - 1.82 %
Spanish_Basque - 1.15 %
Spain_Andalusia - 0.00 %

Eastern European admixture:

Spain_Galicia - 4.32 %
CrazyDaisy - 2.81 %
Spain_average 1.37 %
Portugal_average - 0.62 %
French_Basque - 0.54 %
Spanish_Basque - 0.39 %

Volga-Ural admixture:

CrazyDaisy - 1.98 %
Spain_Valencia - 0.95%
Portugal_average - 0.36 %
Spanish_Basque - 0.10 %
Spain_average - 0.08 %
French_Basque - 0.00 %

Oceanian admixture:

CrazyDaisy - 2.02 %
Portugal_average - 0.12 %
Spanish_Basque - 0.04 %
Spain_average - 0.01 %
French_Basque - 0.00 %

I'm using % from your AncestryDNA kit (those from 23andMe kit are slightly different but not much).

[Carlito's Way]

African Americans with North African

Since members here are saying that North African = Jewish/Moorish blood, then many African Americans are indeed Moorish/Jew descendants then, so all their claims about being sons of Jews and Moors explains everything... smh

http://i.imgur.com/gBAn5EM.png
http://i.imgur.com/V8HGQXz.png
http://i.imgur.com/Tk5LVwM.png
http://i.imgur.com/ZUpb7Na.png
http://i.imgur.com/7H2GmEL.png
http://i.imgur.com/sGId4Cl.png
http://i.imgur.com/oeAwbir.png
http://i.imgur.com/C1aUUih.png
http://i.imgur.com/w9ViNgA.png
http://i.imgur.com/aUZkrLX.png
http://i.imgur.com/mAsZpD7.png
http://i.imgur.com/YKKHlLj.png

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

could be because of various reasons theres no real way to know unless you look into your family tree and eliminate some choices. But Canarian Ancestry is the highest probability. Some few actually have middle eastern Ancestors, some might have African Muslim Ancestors who were mixed with berbers or other ancient north African Ancestry. Could be southern Iberian also. Portuguese score higher north african also then Spanish people on average

[Peterski]

I wonder why is K36 "Eastern European" admixture so high in Spanish Galician sample?:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?208673-Why-do-some-Latinos-score-a-lot-of-African-North&p=4371162&viewfull=1#post4371162


Why do some Latinos score a lot of African North? Some of them seem to score about 4 or 5%.

They have this admixture from Moors and Arabs of North Africa who conquered Iberia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m11g0437lQ

Nearly all Iberians score this. Not just Latinos - but also actual Iberians from Iberia.

Also in Eurogenes K36 all Non-Basque Iberians score more of it than in 23andMe.

[Carlito's Way]

I wonder why is K36 "Eastern European" admixture so high in Spanish Galician sample?:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?208673-Why-do-some-Latinos-score-a-lot-of-African-North&p=4371162&viewfull=1#post4371162



They have this admixture from Moors and Arabs of North Africa who conquered Iberia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m11g0437lQ

Nearly all Iberians score this. Not just Latinos - but also actual Iberians from Iberia.

Also in Eurogenes K36 all Non-Basque Iberians score more of it than in 23andMe.

and African Americans too, that means they must get their Moorish roots from Northern Europeans....

[Peterski]

and African Americans too, that means they must get their Moorish roots from Northern Europeans....

What makes you think that African Americans mixed only with Northern Europeans?

I found people scoring "Inuit + Italian" and "Inuit + Spanish", among Mixed Inuits:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?208626-Canadian-Inuits-in-Eurogenes-K36

There are Southern Europeans as well in North America. Including Southern French.

[Carlito's Way]

some of yall need to stop posting nonsense, niggas who dont know shit will be lurking in his and getting their degree from Apricity Genetics smh

1. Might come from Canarians
2. Might come from Jews
3. Might come from Moorish ancestry
4. Might come from West African slaves, ex. Fulanis


People cant just pin it to one fucking as thing, because if it wouldve been coming only from the Moors, then why the fuck are other blacks in anglo conquered regions scoring it? grow a fucking as brain my niggas, stop thinking only Latinos score North African, I have seen others score it as well, which is why I believe certain African tribes from West Africa played a role in the North African in Latinos, but since Latinos hate blackness so much, they will want to claim it came from elsewhere

[Carlito's Way]

What makes you think that African Americans mixed only with Northern Europeans?

I found people scoring "Inuit + Italian" and "Inuit + Spanish", among Mixed Inuits:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?208626-Canadian-Inuits-in-Eurogenes-K36

because their AncestryDNA results show that.... not one is scoring more Iberian or Italy/Greece....

[Damião de Góis]

I wonder why is K36 "Eastern European" admixture so high in Spanish Galician sample?:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?208673-Why-do-some-Latinos-score-a-lot-of-African-North&p=4371162&viewfull=1#post4371162



They have this admixture from Moors and Arabs of North Africa who conquered Iberia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m11g0437lQ

Nearly all Iberians score this. Not just Latinos - but also actual Iberians from Iberia.

Also in Eurogenes K36 all Non-Basque Iberians score more of it than in 23andMe.

If everyone scores it, are you saying the moors altered the whole population of iberia? Also why would people in northern iberia score it was well, if this has to do with the moorish conquest?
Also the frequency of haplogroups wouldn't be the same as it is now.
But i'm getting tired of discussing the same shit over and over...

[Carlito's Way]

African American sure got her North African from the Moors, Canarians, and Jews, makes perfect sense especially since Ireland was ruled by Moors, Jews and Canarians not to mention Scandinavia
not many talk about this but it is clear since its being shown in African Americans... Canarians, Moors and Jews joined forces and conquered Northern Europe
https://s18.postimg.org/ljjsdash5/African_American.png

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

because their AncestryDNA results show that.... not one is scoring more Iberian or Italy/Greece....
Most african americans and non latino carribean nations dont score much north african i think.

[Carlito's Way]

Most african americans and non latino carribean nations dont score much north african i think.

well from all the AncestryDNA results I have seen, many do score it
but like I have mentioned, not all West African groups had North African admixture so obviously not all of them will score it
also not all Latinos score North African, I have seen my hand share of Latinos not scoring any and even those coming from the Caribbean

[StonyArabia]

Moorish admixture

[Hudayar]

A lot of Moors were converted to Christianity.

[Peterski]

Some of them seem to score about 4 or 5%.

Probably Converso ancestry?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233789-Latin-American-genetic-structure-(Native-Euro-Converso-amp-SSA-clusters)&p=4926159&viewfull=1#post4926159

Or Moorish, or Sephardic.

[Kriptc06]

Probably Converso ancestry?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233789-Latin-American-genetic-structure-(Native-Euro-Converso-amp-SSA-clusters)&p=4926159&viewfull=1#post4926159

Or Moorish, or Sephardic.

yep yep, very likely

4% here + 4% levant, and <1% ashkenaz

[Leto]

Probably Converso ancestry?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233789-Latin-American-genetic-structure-(Native-Euro-Converso-amp-SSA-clusters)&p=4926159&viewfull=1#post4926159

Or Moorish, or Sephardic.
Some of that may be Sephardic, some Portuguese or Andalusian, some even Canarian.

[Peterski]

Yeah, Canarians are partially descended from North African Berbers.

Native Canarians were Berber-like people.

[Iloko]

So North African according to DNA doesn't necessarily correlate with 'indigenous' Berber type of ancestry but rather Jewish/Arab? Or am I wrong?

[Carlito's Way]

So North African according to DNA doesn't necessarily correlate with 'indigenous' Berber type of ancestry but rather Jewish/Arab? Or am I wrong?

Or western african ancestry as well like the fulanis of west africa who score high amounts of north african and tons of fulanis were shipped as slaves to the americas, especially in the caribbean, central america and south america, some were taken to mexico as well, also the Malian people who score north african

People on here are just retarded, even african americans score north african because they have west african ancestors who had north african roots

[Carlito's Way]

Some of that may be Sephardic, some Portuguese or Andalusian, some even Canarian.

Or west african as well

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Or west african as wellI think even ugandans have some small admixture. Im not 100% sure. Massai are mixed.

[User50]

I wonder why is K36 "Eastern European" admixture so high in Spanish Galician sample?:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?208673-Why-do-some-Latinos-score-a-lot-of-African-North&p=4371162&viewfull=1#post4371162



They have this admixture from Moors and Arabs of North Africa who conquered Iberia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m11g0437lQ

Nearly all Iberians score this. Not just Latinos - but also actual Iberians from Iberia.

Also in Eurogenes K36 all Non-Basque Iberians score more of it than in 23andMe.



I've seen plenty of Spaniard kits (not just from the Basques) that completely lack North African ancestry.

[User50]

A lot of Latin American settlers came from the Canaries.

Plus some moriscos are supposed to have fled from Spain to Latin America.

[User50]

Why are people claiming the North African ancestry comes from Jews? Jewish ancestry would read as Jewish on a DNA test, not North African.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

From settlers of the Canaries islands.

[Carlito's Way]

A lot of Latin American settlers came from the Canaries.

Plus some moriscos are supposed to have fled from Spain to Latin America.

Canarians were only in the caribbean and venezuela, not anywhere else
Not moriscos but jews and majority went to mexico with a small percentage heading to other parts of latin america

[JuanSebastian]

I think it depends on the country, a lot of Moros moved to New Spain so Central America and the Caribbean has some admixture

[Leo Iscariot]

Could be a few reasons. The two most probable being either Canarian ancestry or Converso (Muslims and Jews what converted to Christianity) ancestry.

I myself scored 10% when I did one.

[Kriptc06]

2.6% here in 23andMe

[Erronkari]

I score between 0 and 1%.
0% in most cases.

[QUICAS]

because they are southern euro descents

You included linda

[QUICAS]

Also because the canarian immigration was very important around the Caribean.

[QUICAS]

I wonder why is K36 "Eastern European" admixture so high in Spanish Galician sample?:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?208673-Why-do-some-Latinos-score-a-lot-of-African-North&p=4371162&viewfull=1#post4371162



They have this admixture from Moors and Arabs of North Africa who conquered Iberia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m11g0437lQ

Nearly all Iberians score this. Not just Latinos - but also actual Iberians from Iberia.

Also in Eurogenes K36 all Non-Basque Iberians score more of it than in 23andMe.

Suevic presence in Northwest Iberia

[Catarinense1998]

So obvious...

[Catarinense1998]

I score between 0 and 1%.
0% in most cases.

How do you got to do the DNA rest?

[QUICAS]

I think the OP could specify what Latin Americans, because this is more visible in some parts of Latam than in others.

[Erronkari]

How do you got to do the DNA rest?

Oh, it's ok. I made a mistake. What a fool!!!!
I haven't seen that this thread is in AncestryDNA area.
I haven't done the test with Ancestrydna.com. Sorry. :picard1:

[Catarinense1998]

Oh, it's ok. I made a mistake. What a fool!!!!
I haven't seen that this thread is in AncestryDNA area.
I haven't done the test with Ancestrydna.com. Sorry. :picard1:

Lol.Just answer me.I saw your results already.You closed with basques and northen spaniards.You bought the kit in Argentina?

[Erronkari]

Lol.Just answer me.I saw your results already.You closed with basques and northen spaniards.You bought the kit in Argentina?

Yes, friend, exaclly like you saw. I'll show you my K36.
Yes, I am argentinian and part uruguayan.
I bought it here, right. I made the test by FTDNA.
I see that here I score 1.04% North African.

Population
Amerindian 3.61
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 22.84
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.86
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.66
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 0.39
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 0.96
French 4.29
Iberian 25.17
Indo-Chinese 0.47
Italian 12.42
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.74
North_African 1.04
North_Atlantic 11.00
North_Caucasian 0.12
North_Sea 2.71
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.19
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.34
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 8.19

[Catarinense1998]

Yes, friend, exaclly like you saw. I'll show you my K36.
Yes, I am argentinian and part uruguayan.
I bought it here, right. I made the test by FTDNA.
I see that here I score 1.04% North African.

Population
Amerindian 3.61
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 22.84
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.86
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.66
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 0.39
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 0.96
French 4.29
Iberian 25.17
Indo-Chinese 0.47
Italian 12.42
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.74
North_African 1.04
North_Atlantic 11.00
North_Caucasian 0.12
North_Sea 2.71
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.19
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.34
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 8.19

Lol.You are practically spaniard by blood and phenotype.Congrats.

[Erronkari]

Lol.You are practically spaniard by blood and phenotype.Congrats.

Thank you bro! I also have some portuguese ancestry, from Sao Miguel, Açores. But, as you said, the most part of my family came from north-eastern Spain! ;)

[Catarinense1998]

Thank you bro! I also have some portuguese ancestry, from Sao Miguel, Açores. But, as you said, the most part of my family came from north-eastern Spain! ;)

Recent imigration?

[Erronkari]

Recent imigration?

My paternal great grandfather. He migrated to Uruguay.
Indeed my surname is "tuga", and quite common in Brazil.

[Catarinense1998]

My paternal great grandfather. He migrated to Uruguay.

Lol make sense.Just a river separes Buenos Aires from Uruguay.Two margins, two countries.

[Erronkari]

Lol make sense.Just a river separes Buenos Aires from Uruguay.Two margins, two countries.

Yes, it's quite common mixed couples Uruguayan/Argentinian.
The same happens between north-east argentinians and south brazilians (paranaenses, catarinenses and gaúchos), especially close of the border area.

[Catarinense1998]

Yes, it's quite common mixed couples Uruguayan/Argentinian.
The same happens between north-east argentinians and south brazilians (paranaenses, catarinenses and gaúchos), especially close of the border area.

Yes.Only a curiosity, do you know how to make chimarrão?

[Kriptc06]

Yes.Only a curiosity, do you know how to make chimarrão?

they call it Mate :)

[Catarinense1998]

they call it Mate :)

I dont knew.Erva mate.

[Erronkari]

Yes, exactly.
Just boil water, and put the "erva" in the recipient. And after add the boiling water.
We use a different recipient if I'm not wrong.
I think that you use a bigger one.

[Catarinense1998]

Yes, exactly.
Just boil water, and put the "erva" in the recipient.
We use a different recipient if I'm not wrong.
I think that you use a bigger one.

Yes.I like to put lemon in the mix.Drink it in winter is a god's gift.

[Erronkari]

Yes.I like to put lemon in the mix.Drink it in winter is a god's gift.

I've never drunk it with lemon! I'll do! It sounds really good!

[Carlito's Way]

I think the OP could specify what Latin Americans, because this is more visible in some parts of Latam than in others.

yes brazilians have the least MENA in latin america, less than central americans for example

[QUICAS]

And despite brazilians have more caucasian/euro contribution than central americans. PR for example have both, they score important middle east because they also have a big euro input. Argentina the same, but its related with south italians.

[QUICAS]

But I think bolivians are the least mena in Latam, even euro blood they have few.

[Acubens]

But I think bolivians are the least mena in Latam, even euro blood they have few.

They are lucky. They are not mixed mutts without identity as most Latin Americans.

[Sikeliot]

And despite brazilians have more caucasian/euro contribution than central americans. PR for example have both, they score important middle east because they also have a big euro input. Argentina the same, but its related with south italians.

In the case of Puerto Rico it is because most of their Spanish ancestry is Canarian, and much of it came over in the early years of settlement of the Canaries, before the Guanche DNA got diluted by incoming Spanish settlers.

[QUICAS]

In the case of Puerto Rico it is because most of their Spanish ancestry is Canarian, and much of it came over in the early years of settlement of the Canaries, before the Guanche DNA got diluted by incoming Spanish settlers.

True, Cuba is a canarian-galician mix and PR is a andaluzian-canarian mix.

[QUICAS]

They are lucky. They are not mixed mutts without identity as most Latin Americans.

É sim queridinha

[Sikeliot]

True, Cuba is a canarian-galician mix and PR is a andaluzian-canarian mix.

Also a lot of Puerto Ricans' African ancestry is from regions adjacent to the Berber regions, i.e. Senegal, Mali, and whatnot. So there is likely some North African type DNA in those Sub-Saharan regions.

[Camilo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=oY6Np-7SEPE

[Carlito's Way]

And despite brazilians have more caucasian/euro contribution than central americans. PR for example have both, they score important middle east because they also have a big euro input. Argentina the same, but its related with south italians.

but MENA has nothing to do with how much Euro you are, you can be over 60% Amerindian and score 6% North African, I have seen it a lot in Mexicans
example

this is a Puerto Rican, he only scores 3% North African
https://tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/mali9.jpg


and yet this Mexican who is less Euro scores higher North African
https://tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/mex17.jpg



and this Salvadoran as well scores higher North African despite being less Euro than that Puerto Rican
https://tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/es6.jpg




this Cape Verdeans also score higher than that Puerto Rican despite being less Euro
https://tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/sabr.jpg

[Kivan]

Because of their main European ancestry, i think.

[QUICAS]

but MENA has nothing to do with how much Euro you are, you can be over 60% Amerindian and score 6% North African, I have seen it a lot in Mexicans
example

this is a Puerto Rican, he only scores 3% North African
https://tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/mali9.jpg


and yet this Mexican who is less Euro scores higher North African
https://tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/mex17.jpg



and this Salvadoran as well scores higher North African despite being less Euro than that Puerto Rican
https://tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/es6.jpg




this Cape Verdeans also score higher than that Puerto Rican despite being less Euro
https://tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/sabr.jpg

Yep, it shows that the euro settlers and also the elites have different ethnic or geographic source in the Old World.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I wonder why is K36 "Eastern European" admixture so high in Spanish Galician sample?:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?208673-Why-do-some-Latinos-score-a-lot-of-African-North&p=4371162&viewfull=1#post4371162



They have this admixture from Moors and Arabs of North Africa who conquered Iberia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m11g0437lQ

Nearly all Iberians score this. Not just Latinos - but also actual Iberians from Iberia.

Also in Eurogenes K36 all Non-Basque Iberians score more of it than in 23andMe.

The Moors never conquered Galicia. They didn't conquer Asturias or Cantabria either, and they also have NA. More so than some regions on the eastern part of Iberia that had been ruled by Moors for centuries.

[Thot Whisperer]

The Moors never conquered Galicia. They didn't conquer Asturias or Cantabria either, and they also have NA. More so than some regions on the eastern part of Iberia that had been ruled by Moors for centuries.

Yet people conveniently forget the Pasiegos who are from Cantabria, carry the most NA paternal haplogroup.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Yet people conveniently forget the Pasiegos who are from Cantabria, carry the most NA paternal haplogroup.

It would be awesome if we could get a dna sample from a member of that group.

[Leto]

African Americans with North African

Since members here are saying that North African = Jewish/Moorish blood, then many African Americans are indeed Moorish/Jew descendants then, so all their claims about being sons of Jews and Moors explains everything... smh

http://i.imgur.com/gBAn5EM.png
Omg, this nibba looks 100% black, straight outta Africa! But if he interbreeds with a white Nordic girl, the child would probably look much whiter than a proper half African mulatto.

[Thot Whisperer]

It would be awesome if we could get a dna sample from a member of that group.

Check this video out. The lady is a pasiego and I didn’t even believe she was spanish at first. Skip to 6:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV23UWohR6M

[Carlito's Way]

Omg, this nibba looks 100% black, straight outta Africa! But if he interbreeds with a white Nordic girl, the child would probably look much whiter than a proper half African mulatto.

80% of black americans look 100% African

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Check this video out. The lady is a pasiego and I didn’t even believe she was spanish at first. Skip to 6:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV23UWohR6M

I don't see anything unusual about her.