DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle East

[Kazimiera]

DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle East

Source: http://nativesnewsonline.com/2017/04/16/dna-scientists-claim-that-cherokees-are-from-the-middle-east/

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“The Cherokees have lived in the Southeastern United States for over 10,000 years.Cherokees developedand cultivated corn, beans and squash – “the three sisters” – along with sunflowers and other crops.

Archaeological evidence, early written accounts, and the oral history ofthe Cherokees themselves show the Cherokees as a mighty nation controlling more than 140,000 square miles with a population of thirty-six thousand or more. Often the townhouse stood on an earthen mound, which grew with successive ceremonial re-buildings.”

In his famous book, “The History of the America Indians” eighteenth century explorer and trader, John Adair stated that several hundred Cherokees, living in the North Carolina Mountains, spoke an ancient Jewish language that was nearly unintelligible to Jews from England and Holland. From this observation, Adair extrapolated a belief that all Native Americans were the descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

Adair genuinely admired Native Americans and was married to a Chickasaw woman. However, his popular theory was twisted during the American Revolution to something else. In the new version, the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel had built the thousands of mounds that dotted the landscape of eastern North America, but the Indians had killed all the “civilized Jews.” Frontier preachers gave sermons which demanded that their parishioners go out and slaughter the evil savages, who had killed the “civilized Jews.”

By the late 20th century, things had gone to the other extreme in North Carolina. In 1976 the North Carolina state government directed a team of professors to prove that the Cherokees had been in their state for at least 1000 years. It was called the North Carolina History Project. The archaeologists and historians justified their bonus paychecks by dutifully re-labeling all Native American archeological sites in the western third of the state as “Cherokee” or “Proto-Cherokee.” The widespread Creek Indian place names were re-labeled “ancient Cherokee words whose meanings have been lost.”

This academic fraud flew in the face of early Colonial archives that described several other ethnic groups living in the region prior to 1715, but no Cherokees. The word “Charaqui” first appeared on a European map in 1718. Almost all radiocarbon dates for documented Cherokee villages, come from after 1720.

Academic fraud becomes historical absurdity

Two subsequent generations of archaeologists and historians have so thoroughly quoted each other in academic papers that no one realizes that North Carolina had a different history before 1976.The absurd results is that the Coweeta town site, one mile north of the Georgia state line, is labeled a Cherokee – Pisgah Phase town. Its sister towns immediately south of the state line are labeled Etowah and Lamar proto-Creek towns by Georgia archaeologists. The same proto-Creek pottery and architecture is found in all these towns. Coweta is a Creek word and has no meaning in the Cherokee language.

Some Cherokees and Cherokee wannabe’s took the situation beyond absurdity in the 1990s. In 1754, the British Crown “gave” the Cherokees a vast territory in the Southeast that included the territories of all tribes allied with the French. In return, the Cherokees agreed to send warriors to fight the French in New York. Almost immediately thereafter, the Creek Confederacy dramatically won the 40 year long Cherokee-Creek War and took back a fourth of the Cherokee’s core territory that had been captured from the Creeks 40 years earlier.

In 1757 the Cherokees attacked their former British allies. Great Britain won the war and took back most of the land that it had given the Cherokees in 1754, PLUS almost all the Cherokee lands in North and South Carolina. Non-Cherokee tribes in western North Carolina were also forced to leave. After 1763, what is now the Cherokee Reservation was 35 miles outside the eastern Cherokee boundary.

In 1990 the U.S. Department of the Interior created a map of traditional Native American territories as part of the Native American Graves and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA.) The mapmakers labeled the vast “seven state” area given to the Cherokees in 1754 as traditional Cherokee territory. To that they added northwest Georgia and northeast Alabama, where the Cherokees lived from 1785 until 1738, plus huge sections of North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia where the Cherokees never lived. The NAGPRA laws froze into stone a myth that the Cherokees were descendants of all the Indians who lived in this territory since mankind came to North America.

Until the late 20th century all Cherokee leaders consistently said that they never built any mounds. Suddenly, with the contrived history created by the State of North Carolina in 1976 and the U.S. Government in 1990, a new generation of North Carolina Cherokees assumed that the maps meant that they had built most of the mounds in the Southeast. They were the “Master Race” of the Americas. That line of thought was extended to the belief that they were the ones who first domesticated corn, beans and squash, as stated by Dr. Duncan above. A film recently produced by the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians claims that “the Mayas and Aztecs were the descendants of the Cherokees.”

DNA tests create a bombshell

There are currently no DNA tests that can accurate label someone a descendant of a particular Indian tribe in eastern North America. The people, calling themselves full-blooded Native Americans, from the eastern United States, are not the same people, genetically, who greeted early European explorers. A few reputable laboratories are now attempting to create reliable DNA markers for individual tribes, but the obstacles are monumental.

Perceiving a vast potential market from the millions of Americans, who proudly claim that their great-grandmother was a Cherokee Princess, DNA Consultants, Inc. initiated comprehensive DNA testing of the Cherokees living on the Qualla Reservation in western North Carolina. The North Carolina Cherokees were chosen because after 180 years in the west, Oklahoma Cherokees are so thoroughly mixed with other ethnic groups, that any DNA test marker obtained would be meaningless.

The laboratory immediately stumbled into a scientific hornet’s nest. That Cherokee princess in someone’s genealogy was most likely a Jewish or North African princess. Its scientists have labeled the Cherokees not as Native Americans, but as a Middle Eastern-North African population.Cherokees have high levels of test markers associated with the Berbers, native Egyptians, Turks, Lebanese, Hebrews and Mesopotamians. Genetically, they are more Jewish than the typical American Jew of European ancestry. So-called “full-blooded” Cherokees have high levels of European DNA and a trace of Asiatic (Native American) DNA. Their skin color and facial features are primarily Semitic in origin, not Native American.

There is a major inaccuracy in most articles about this controversy. Both DNA Consultants and journalists are stating that the research results from the Qualla Reservation apply to all Cherokees. Genetic research associated with the filming of the History Channel’s “America Unearthed” found separate populations of Cherokees outside the reservation with very different genetic profiles. In several counties, the “Cherokees” hadprofiles identical to Georgia Creeks, and often carried Maya DNA like the Georgia Creeks. In one county, the “Cherokees” were predominantly Quechua from South America, or else mixed Quechua, Maya and Creek. Many of the residents of the Snowbird Cherokee Reservation in Graham County, NC look like the Zoque of Mexico, who created the Olmec Civilization. They are called “Moon Faces” by the Cherokees on the main reservation.

At present, the researchers at DNA Consultants seem unaware that throughout the 1600s Iberian Sephardic Jews and Moorish Conversos colonized the North Carolina and Georgia Mountains, where they mined and worked gold and silver. All European maps show western North Carolina occupied by Apalache, Creek, Shawnee and Yuchi Indians until 1718. Most of these indigenous tribal groups were forced out in the early 1700s. Anglo-American settlers moving into northeastern Tennessee and extreme southwestern Virginia mentioned seeing Jewish speaking villages in that region until around 1800.

How the occupants of the North Carolina Mountains became a mixed Semitic, North African, European and Native American population, known as the Cherokees, remains a mystery. Slave raids may have been a factor. The 18th century Cherokees were the “biggest players” in the Native Americans slave trade. Perhaps young Sephardic females were captured by slave raiders to be concubines and wives.

It is also known that around 1693, the British put together an alliance between eight small Native towns with Creek names in northwestern South Carolina and the powerful Rickohockens of southwestern Virginia to thwart the expansion of French colonies. The modern Cherokee language seems to be a mixture of Rickohocken, Shawnee and Creek. There is obviously much that anthropologists and historians do not know about the early history of the Southern Highlands.

[Rethel]

It should read every one, who pretend that he has no idea how R1 came to be among Indians... as well as other hgs of course...

[LoLeL]

Interesting, bump!

[Peterski]

The link is not about Cherokees, but we can say the same thing about this study:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/04/population-geneticists-often-not-very.html

"Population geneticists often not very good at population genetics". :)

[Heather Duval]

Cool. Now americans will claims they are MENA, not that cherokee bullshit anymore

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Sounds fake. No north african haplogroups or middle eastern. Most are asian haplos. A b c d and q

[Peterski]

(...) There are currently no DNA tests that can accurate label someone a descendant of a particular Indian tribe in eastern North America. (...)

Ancient DNA is the ultimate answer to every problem like this.

Just collect DNA samples from Pre-Columbian bones, that's it.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Ancient DNA is the ultimate answer to every problem like this.

Just collect DNA samples from Pre-Columbian bones, that's it.

They've done this already. All of them show they are not menas but predominantly east eurasians. With asian haplo groups.

[Peterski]

They've done this already. All of them show they are not menas but predominantly east eurasians.

No they have not done this. There is a scarcity of ancient DNA samples.


With asian haplo groups.

As for haplogroups, Kennewick Man had a West Eurasian mtDNA haplo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man#DNA


The same study confirmed the mitochondrial haplogroup X2a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)


Haplogroup X is a human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup found in the Americas, Europe, Western Asia, North Africa and the Horn of Africa.

This mtDNA haplogroup - X - is totally absent among East Eurasians.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

No they have not done this. There is a scarcity of ancient DNA samples.



As for haplogroups, Kennewick Man had a West Eurasian mtDNA haplo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man#DNA



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)



This mtDNA haplogroup - X - is totally absent among East Eurasians.
Haplogroup x in natives is pretty distant from other x haplogroups. they have some x in altaic populations by siberia i think though. But they are different subclade

[Peterski]

they have some x in altaic populations by siberia i think though.

No they don't have any.


Haplogroup x in natives is pretty distant from other x haplogroups.

But it is not East Asian.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

No they don't have any.



But it is not East Asian.
Its altaic. Altaics are mixed east eurasian and ane by siberia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1226041/

[Peterski]

It could be from ANE (Ancient North Eurasians), but ANE were generally Caucasoids.

They were not East Asians (they did not contribute any genes to modern East Asians).

By the way, mtDNA haplogroup C1 in Native Americans is probably also of ANE origin.

[Antimage]

[FONT=Arial]DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle East

Source: http://nativesnewsonline.com/2017/04/16/dna-scientists-claim-that-cherokees-are-from-the-middle-east/
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IIRC LDS Church ("Mormons") claim amerindians are an Israeli tribe or something.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

It could be from ANE (Ancient North Eurasians), but ANE were generally Caucasoids.

They were not East Asians (they did not contribute any genes to modern East Asians).

By the way, mtDNA haplogroup C1 in Native Americans is probably also of ANE origin.

Altaics are not full ANE people they are mixed East Eurasian. And many look east Easian. Haplogroup X comes from Caucasus area I think but It migrated and mixed with East Eurasian. So its subclade is not Caucasian. Would be like saying Haplogroup I is Middle eastern because its parent IJ came from the middle east. Altaics are populations unique to their own and Natives have some mixture with them although being predominantly east Eurasian. Just like in the X MTDNA profile kit of Kennewick.

http://www.pavelfilatov.com/gall/Altai_People/mini/17108.jpg

http://mk.rbth.com/science/2016/02/29/amerikanskite-indijanci-imaat-rodnini-na-sibir_571749

https://cdn.rbth.com/936x624/0x0/1024x683/all/2016/02/17/altai_people_and_american_indians_b.jpg

Now if we compare proper caucasians they look nothing alike. Some altaic people look caucasian but closer you get to the east the more they look asian

http://triptoazerbaijan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/azerbaijani_people02.jpg

This man is a chinese actor, he looks far closer to Native American than Caucasians

http://68.media.tumblr.com/063bba6dae47a76fe6280cc1d00c1a70/tumblr_mrozqbU9gi1rloqyko1_250.jpg

[Sekarotuinen]

Guess I'm a mormon now.

[Kriptc06]

so they are really jews? the lost tribe of israel and all? lmao

[Rethel]

It could be from ANE (Ancient North Eurasians), but ANE were generally Caucasoids.

ANE are caucasoids but mix.
It is not a real thing in 100%.

[Rethel]

By the way, mtDNA haplogroup C1 in Native Americans is probably also of ANE origin.

It is the same which was in Karelia?
Then it is rather Amerindian, cause in Karelia
it bears Amerindian au and Q husband'ary ;)

[RMuller]

“The Cherokees have lived in the Southeastern United States for over 10,000 years.Cherokees developed and cultivated corn, beans and squash – “the three sisters” – along with sunflowers and other crops.


Mexican natives domesticated corn and beans. Cherokees can thank Mexico's natives.

[RMuller]

IIRC LDS Church ("Mormons") claim amerindians are an Israeli tribe or something.

They believe Christ visted Mexican natives.

[wvwvw]

Not the Middle East, they were Minoans and Cypriots.

That is why the Cherokee language shows similarities to Greek. The Minoans spoke proto-Greek and they speared their language to native Indians

"The theory that the Iroquoian language of North America is somehow related to Greek goes back to almost the beginning of the 18th century with Pere Joseph-Francois Lafitau, a Jesuit missionary to the Iroquois. Lafitau believed the Iroquois to be the descendants of the Lycians, based in part of similarities in customs and even proposed etymologies for Greek words based on Iroquoian languages. Rev. J. A. Cuoq, studying Iroquois almost two centuries later, was also struck by the resemblance of Iroquoian languages to Greek."

It is interesting that there appears to be convergent evolution between Modern Greek and North American languages. I ran across this interesting article on polysynthesis in Modern Greek and how it compares to Iroquoian languages.

Minoans Discovered America! Smoking Gun Artifacts and Over 1000 DNA Testable Skeletal Remains Prove Explorers Claim (100+ Photographs which will change how you view History)
https://historyheretic.org/2015/05/24/minoanoxhideproof/

Minoans was the first major European civilization, NOT Middle eastern, their civilization was indigenous to Greece:
Minoan Civilization Originated in Europe, Not Egypt
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/minoan-civilization-origin-europe-not-egypt/

DNA analysis unearths origins of Minoans, the first major European civilization | UW Today - University of Washington

Although they originated from Neolithic population, that population had been at Greece for at least 10,000 years therefore was native.

Minoan ships were only surpassed in the 16th century and is on Minoan ships that the Viking ships designs are based on. Besides the Vikings originated from Troy as their own historians and the petroglyphs in Sweden prove. Troy was a Minoan city before. The whole Asia Minor was formerly settled by Minoans, before it was subsequently settled by Myceaneans and Ionians)

[wvwvw]

Geneticist Traces Mysterious Origins of Native Americans to Middle East, Ancient Greece

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/831180-geneticist-traces-mysterious-origins-of-native-americans-to-middle-east-ancient-greece/?expvar=004&utm_expid=.5zxdwnfjSHaLe_IPrO6c5w.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.gr%2F

Cherokees Spoke Greek and Came from East Mediterranean
DNA Consultants ^ | 17 June 2010 | Donald N. Yates
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2548204/posts

"The Cherokee language, which today is Iroquoian, is the result of a relexification process in the distant past. It contains many relics of words of Greek origin, especially in the area of government, military terminology, mythology, athletics and ritual. Cherokee music also reflects Greek origins. The Cherokee Indians are, quite literally, the Greeks of Native America."

[wvwvw]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/13/article-2558759-1B77501D00000578-553_964x621_popup.jpg
The Pima people are a group of Indigenous Americans living in an area consisting of what is now central and southern Arizona. Their genetic data reveals their ancestors came from far and wide with significant local populations with Maya heritage

[wvwvw]

People falsely assume that the Hellenes brought their language to Minoans.

Wrong! The Hellenes, like the whole R1 lineage spoke a Basque-like NON Indo-European language originally.

The whole region from Greece to Sumeria spoke Greco-Phoenician which was very similar to proto-Greek. That is why Sumerian Gods are all Indo-European. The whole region used to be I.E. That is why Tammuz which derives from a word known in Akkadian and Sumerian which originates from an INDO-EUROPEAN root -Greek POTAMOS meaning River since the Tammuz cult originated from the annual flooding and drying-up cycle of the Euphrates.

The name TAMMUZ is not Afro-Asiatic. The Sumerians who used the name in 3000 were never Afro-Asiatic. Tammuz is INDO-EUROPEAN.

The Greek language evolved after the Hellenes came in contact with the Helladic (not to be confused with Hellenic) populations of Greece. It was the Minoans that Indo-Europeanized the Hellenes when they were still in Balkans (and Greece) around 5000 BC.

[wvwvw]

The red Indians called their homes "Wigwams" which is etymologically proven to derive from the Greek word "Oikos".

And the Eskimos (another Greek word) called their homes "Iglus" which also derives from the Greek word "Oikos".

Eskimos, a name given to the Eskimos by their neighbours derives from the Greek world "Askimos (https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/άσχημος)" which means "ugly and barbaric"

The DNA evidence conclusively shows that the Eskimos and all American Indians have European DNA, Neolithic Europeans who spoke Greek were in the Americas.

Since the talking turn to Eskimos, let's read what Plutarch has wrote about the North Polar sea (Cronian sea) and the presence of the Greeks there in the antiquity.

Note with how many accurate details Plutarch at about 100 AC describes the sea to the west of Britain as well as the North Polar sea, and the continent around it. I follows bellow the original text of Plutarch and the text in modern Greek.
You better buy and read the whole book of Plutarch to see how much more valuable information there's into it.
From the book of Plutarch

"To the face which appears on the moon's orb."

153
Ogygia is the island which stands far onto the sea and it is ranged
five days from Britain navigating to the west.
The tree other islands which ranged an equal distance from it and
between them stands far from it to the point where the sun goes down
in the summer.
In one of them the barbarians says in their myths, Zeus had imprison
Cronos, and he, having his son as a guard had settle near these islands
in this sea which they call Cronian sea (North Polar Sea)
As for the great continent which surrounds in circle the big sea, it range
less from the other islands but from Ogygia it range 5000 stadiums, and
the trip makes with oar-ships, since the sea traverses slowly, and it is
sloughy due to the many tides.
(see a map of the Cronian sea-North Polar sea here)
http://members.tripod.com/norpolar/chron.html

The tides comes from the great continent and they create illuviations
making the sea dense, earthen, and it is putative frozen.

On the continent places Greeks inhabit, around the gulf which is not
smaller than the lake Maeotis which has the embouchure in the same
straight with the embouchure of the Caspian sea.

These people use to call and consider them selves continent people those
who live in the continent and island people those who live in the islands,
They believe also that with the peoples of Cronos commixed later those
who came with Hercules, and they stay there, and the Greek element
which faded already subdued in the barbaric language, the laws and
the way of life, get rekindled, and became strong and important again.
Therefor Hercules has the highest honors and Cronos is next.

Greek names in the islands near Greenland still remain.

Icaria (there's another Icaria in the Aegean)
http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/Places/icaria.htm

Drogeo
http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/Places/drogeo.htm

Main site and map.
http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/Places/atlantic_islands.htm


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[Al-Meksiki]

They believe Christ visted Mexican natives.

They think that Quetzalcoatl is a folk memory of Jesus

[wvwvw]

The Indian word for house is Wigram which is a corruption of the Greek word oikos.

According to proto-Indo-European theory *wey-k- is the root of all indo-European words meaning settlement and of the Greek word oikos which in proto-Greek was spelled with a w to give (w)oikos therefore oikos is origin of the word wigwam.

From the cognates below it is clear that Wigwam is the accusative of (W)oikos or (W)oikon.

Greek (w)oîkos 'house', (w)oikeîn 'dwell'
Armenian
Sanskrit vísh- 'dwelling, tribe, clan', víshas
(plural) 'people',
véshas 'house', visháti
'settle'
Avestan vi:s- 'house, village, clan', vae:so
'house', vi:saiti 'enter'
Old Persian vith- 'house, village, clan'
Latin vi:cus 'village, settlement'

Why would the American Indians have a word for river which is the same word as the Greeks used i.e Potomac. Potomac is a Greek word coming from Greek potamos (https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ποταμός) . Because there were Greeks and Vikings in America long before Columbus. And there are many other Greek words in American Indian languages.

The English word River is a corruption of Fluvium which occurred in Mycenaean times when R and L were interchangeable and were not fully distinct from n and m. Fluvium is a
corruption Potamos as well with P interchangeable with Fl and Tam interchangeable with Vium. But don't expect anyone tell you that there were Greeks in Roman and Britain in Mycenaean times like all the Greek historians tell us.

From Egyptian inscriptions we know the Minoans called themselves Kittim, Kyftu, Kyferu or Keferim ie. Kypraioi. They must have been Cypriots.

[King Niko]

lol no way.. Seems a little illogical but meh I am kinda stupid so I probably wrong.

[wvwvw]

..

[Al-Meksiki]

The Indian word for house is Wigram which is a corruption of the Greek word oikos.

According to proto-Indo-European theory *wey-k- is the root of all indo-European words meaning settlement and of the Greek word oikos which in proto-Greek was spelled with a w to give (w)oikos therefore oikos is origin of the word wigwam.

From the cognates below it is clear that Wigwam is the accusative of (W)oikos or (W)oikon.

Greek (w)oîkos 'house', (w)oikeîn 'dwell'
Armenian
Sanskrit vísh- 'dwelling, tribe, clan', víshas
(plural) 'people',
véshas 'house', visháti
'settle'
Avestan vi:s- 'house, village, clan', vae:so
'house', vi:saiti 'enter'
Old Persian vith- 'house, village, clan'
Latin vi:cus 'village, settlement'

Why would the American Indians have a word for river which is the same word as the Greeks used i.e Potomac. Potomac is a Greek word coming from Greek potamos (https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ποταμός) . Because there were Greeks and Vikings in America long before Columbus. And there are many other Greek words in American Indian languages.

The English word River is a corruption of Fluvium which occurred in Mycenaean times when R and L were interchangeable and were not fully distinct from n and m. Fluvium is a
corruption Potamos as well with P interchangeable with Fl and Tam interchangeable with Vium. But don't expect anyone tell you that there were Greeks in Roman and Britain in Mycenaean times like all the Greek historians tell us.

From Egyptian inscriptions we know the Minoans called themselves Kittim, Kyftu, Kyferu or Keferim ie. Kypraioi. They must have been Cypriots.

Are you trolling? The word wigwam is from an algonquian word, the ancestor of it is *wi-kiwa-ʔmi, the wi- is the definate possessed prefix. Another form from proto-Algonquian had the unposessed form *mi·kiwa·ʔmi, which has descendants in Cree, Cheyenne, and Algonquin (mîkowâhp; mâhëö'o; mîkïwâm)

Even if it has a Greek origin, by the time that Greeks would have technology to reach the Americas, the /w/ in Greek was already lost.

As for the Minoans; I can't find any sources for them being called any of those names. Kittim seems to be hebrew and referencing some people in Anatolia, probably the Hittites. I can't find any sources for Kyftu, Kyferu or Keferim that aren't a copy past of what you wrote posted by a Greek nationalist in a comments section or a forum, or by yourself on this forum.

I will give you this though, the name of Cyprus is almost definately derived from the Minoan language.

[pfoenix]

Are you trolling? The word wigwam is from an algonquian word, the ancestor of it is *wi-kiwa-ʔmi, the wi- is the definate possessed prefix. Another form from proto-Algonquian had the unposessed form *mi·kiwa·ʔmi, which has descendants in Cree, Cheyenne, and Algonquin (mîkowâhp; mâhëö'o; mîkïwâm)

Even if it has a Greek origin, by the time that Greeks would have technology to reach the Americas, the /w/ in Greek was already lost.

As for the Minoans; I can't find any sources for them being called any of those names. Kittim seems to be hebrew and referencing some people in Anatolia, probably the Hittites. I can't find any sources for Kyftu, Kyferu or Keferim that aren't a copy past of what you wrote posted by a Greek nationalist in a comments section or a forum, or by yourself on this forum.

I will give you this though, the name of Cyprus is almost definately derived from the Minoan language.

Lol she's trying to associate Amerindians with filthy Greek wogs.

[TenaciousTopologist]

suspicious but that "cherokee" bish is cute

[wvwvw]

Are you trolling? The word wigwam is from an algonquian word, the ancestor of it is *wi-kiwa-ʔmi, the wi- is the definate possessed prefix. Another form from proto-Algonquian had the unposessed form *mi·kiwa·ʔmi, which has descendants in Cree, Cheyenne, and Algonquin (mîkowâhp; mâhëö'o; mîkïwâm)

Even if it has a Greek origin, by the time that Greeks would have technology to reach the Americas, the /w/ in Greek was already lost.

As for the Minoans; I can't find any sources for them being called any of those names. Kittim seems to be hebrew and referencing some people in Anatolia, probably the Hittites. I can't find any sources for Kyftu, Kyferu or Keferim that aren't a copy past of what you wrote posted by a Greek nationalist in a comments section or a forum, or by yourself on this forum.

I will give you this though, the name of Cyprus is almost definately derived from the Minoan language.

I just showed you that the root of Wigwam is *Wey-k- which is the root of all indo-European words meaning settlement and of the Greek word oikos which in proto-Greek was spelled with a w to give (w)oikos therefore oikos.

If the ancient Greek visited the Americas the first thing they would have done was build dwellings and those are the kind of things that you'd expect to survive and be incorporated in a foreign language and they have done.

From the cognates below it is clear that Wigwam is the accusative of (W)oikos or (W)oikon.



PIE */wey-k-'settlement'
Glottalic *wey-kh-


*wey-kh- English '-wick, -wick, settlement' = Dwelling
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/iedocctr/ie-ling/ie-lex/dwelling/settlement.html

NORTH EUROPEAN
Lithuanian viêsh-pat(i)s 'the Lord (God)',
vieshé.ti 'be a guest'
Old Prussian wais-pattin (accusative) 'lady of the
house'
Old Slavic visi 'village'

GERMANIC


Gothic weihs 'village'
Old High German wih 'village'
English -wick, -wich as in 'War-wick,
Sand-wich'

ANATOLIAN
Hittite

WEST EUROPEAN
Latin vi:cus 'village, settlement'
Old Irish
Tocharian

SOUTHEAST EUROPEAN
Greek (w)oîkos 'house', (w)oikeîn 'dwell'
Armenian
Sanskrit vísh- 'dwelling, tribe, clan', víshas
(plural) 'people',
véshas 'house', visháti
'settle'
Avestan vi:s- 'house, village, clan', vae:so
'house', vi:saiti 'enter'
Old Persian vith- 'house, village, clan'



Author Gavin Menzies Is Determined to Prove That Minoans Discovered the New World 4,000 Years Ago
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB126593477531544685

https://archyfantasies.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/0726_la_canc3a9e_musc3a9e_linc3a9aire_a.jpg
Actual Minoan Linear A via 0726 La Canée musée linéaire A by Ursus – Own work. Licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons

Numerous findings seem to concede that the Minoans were keen navigators who crossed the Atlantic. They created colonies even in Canada and exploited local copper mines.

I recommend that you read this book:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5108ncu99KL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

[wvwvw]

Lol she's trying to associate Amerindians with filthy Greek wogs.

Dimwit, the Minoans had a vast sea empire, a Thallasocracy, they absolutely dominated the seas. They explored the whole world. They reached as far as Yemen and India.

The Sangam epics of the Tamil spoke about “the magnificent ships of the Greeks bringing gold and leave laden with pepper…”.

In Herodotus time, there were Yemenis who claimed descend from Minoans!

[wvwvw]

Below are some pictures that prove the existance of the Greek civilization at the B.C. ages ,all over the America's region. These pictures have to do with the ancient civilizations of Incas, Maya, Toltecs, Olmecs, and all these cultures have the Greek influence inside them . Each thumbnail photo is a link to a larger version of the same photograph.

http://www.greek-thesaurus.gr/Ancient-Greeks-America.html

[wvwvw]

Lol she's trying to associate Amerindians with filthy Greek wogs.

Dimwit, the Minoans had a vast sea empire, a Thallasocracy, they absolutely dominated the seas. They explored the whole world. They reached as far as Yemen and India.

The Sangam epics of the Tamil spoke about “the magnificent ships of the Greeks bringing gold and leave laden with pepper…”.

In Herodotus time, there were Yemenis who claimed descend from Minoans!

The copper mines of Cyprus as it is historically known could not even meet the requirements of the Pharaohs. Yet the Minoans gave them bronze saws doped with tin to cut the stone blocks of the …pyramids. As was written in the records of the Acadian king Skarga, the Minoan ships brought since 2350 BC tin from Spain and Britain.

And there's the finding of 1450 BC at the Akrotirion in Santorini. An excavation in the ancient city of Akrotiri, on the island of Santorini, revealed that a tobacco beetle (Lasioderma serricorne), an insect indigenous to America at the time, was found buried under the volcanic ash of the 1600 BC eruption. If tobacco was not introduced to Europeans until around 1518 AD, as history claims (nearly 3,000 years later), how else did this pest of stored tobacco got there.

If according to historians, the Bronze Age Minoans 4,000 years ago were often traveling as far as Scotland and the Orkney Islands to trade goods, it is not inconceivable to assume that over time (going back and forth for a thousand years) they may have eventually reached Greenland (the edge of Hyperborea,) only a couple of short island stops away. And, if those ancient navigators managed to reach Greenland via island hopping, it is entirely possible to assume that they could have gone a bit further and ultimately reached North America, which in essence, is just around the corner.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/road-to-Hyperborea.jpg

[wvwvw]

Greenland have even retained Greek toponyms like Icaria and Mykines. The Greeks had ancient colonies in Hyperborea which they retained even in Myceanean times. It seems that after the first Minoan merchants, the Mycenaeans continued the journey, and, as reported by Plutarch, they sent Hercules to revitalize the presence of the Greek element, which had been diminished by the continuous miscegenation with the locals. Later, during the Iron Age, the interest in the region declined and until the Hellenistic time, it remained only as a conventional ceremonial tradition. So every thirty years some ships were sent to the areas that followed the worship of Cronus in order to renew the priest personnel. - See more at: http://canada.greekreporter.com/2012/04/21/researcher-claims-ancient-greeks-made-it-to-america-before-columbus/#sthash.38Tvry0u.dpuf

https://www.hurtigruten.com/globalassets/photos/do-not-use-maps/greenland-iceland-canada/ms-spitsbergen/censpeur1701/iceland-censpeur1701_web_3.png?width=900&height=450&transform=DownFill

CAVALESE, Italy—The year 1492 is one of history’s most famous dates, when America was discovered by Europeans. However that “New World” may have been already known to the ancient Greeks, according to a book by Italian physicist and philologist Lucio Russo.

Russo, who currently teaches probability at Tor Vergata University of Rome, says the main reason why researchers think America wasn’t known to ancient Greeks is not due to lack of proof, but to scientific dogma.

It is also untrue that science becomes better and better with time. There were, in fact, many instances of scientific and cultural decay, like the destruction of Carthage and the fall of Greek civilization, from which the Romans inherited only a small portion of their scientific knowledge.

Importantly, one of the skills they didn’t inherit was how to navigate the oceans.

You can get an idea of this by considering that “the size of the ships in the Hellenistic era was exceeded only in the era of Napoleon” and that Columbus based his trip on a partial recovery of Hellenistic math, according to the book. The Greeks were, among other things, at that time the only civilization that was able to understand that the Earth was round—an understanding that was later lost.

Even today we are in an epoch of “scientific crisis,” Russo told the Epoch Times. But it’s a crisis different from that of Roman times. The modern decay hides itself using technological advancements as a mask and consists in shrinking the availability of knowledge, now the property of a few people.

The Error of Ptolemy
So, how did people come to forget America, if it is true that it was already known to the ancients? The error, according to the author, is mainly due to Ptolemy, who developed a world map finding a midpoint between the claims made by various ancient sources.

The key problem is the identification of the Fortunate Islands, which the ancient Greeks sometimes referred to, as the Canary Islands (near the West coast of Africa). But the Greeks were actually referring to the Antilles, according to Russo. The misunderstanding was due to the Romans and other post-Greek people’s disbelief and incapability of navigating the oceans.

With philological and mathematical reasoning, Russo leads the reader to understand the meaning of all of Ptolemy’s errors—which are generally considered pretty huge—showing how the knowledge of the planet by ancient Greeks was instead very precise. Ptolemy missed the latitude of Canary Islands by 15 degrees latitude, making them to appear on the point of the map were the Antilles would expected to be. Of course America was not on his map.

Russo thinks we have “a lot to learn” from the ancient Greeks. For example we should “try to limit excessive specialization,” because the most interesting things can be understood only by those who have a grasp of more than one aspect of human knowledge.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/293933-reconsidering-history-the-discovery-of-america-thousands-of-years-ago/?expvar=004&utm_expid=.5zxdwnfjSHaLe_IPrO6c5w.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.gr%2F

[pfoenix]

Dimwit, the Minoans had a vast sea empire, a Thallasocracy, they absolutely dominated the seas. They explored the whole world. They reached as far as Yemen and India.

The Sangam epics of the Tamil spoke about “the magnificent ships of the Greeks bringing gold and leave laden with pepper…”.

In Herodotus time, there were Yemenis who claimed descend from Minoans!

I can believe that but they had nothing to do with the founding or development of Ancient Indian (Indo-Aryan) civilization.

[BarcelonaAtlantis]

Dont be fooled the real cherokees are the basques/celts/true goths and by saying middle east they want you to think they were the imposters known as jews(crypto pharisees)today.If you believe these busted imposters you are unknowingly betraying your real ancestors

Much more info here. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?132958-Historians-note-that-Odin-who-was-a-very-popular-Thracian-ruler-Thracians-a-hidden-history

[wvwvw]

I can believe that but they had nothing to do with the founding or development of Ancient Indian (Indo-Aryan) civilization.

Who do you think your Vedic Gods were?

Here's what historians say. Based on the chronology of Indian kings and the Gods who lived before them (as established by F E Pargiter) it is clear that Varuna lived at the same time as Uranus (corrupted form of Saturanus and found in Linear A inscriptions from 1700 BC), Brahma lived at the same time as Saturn/Kronos (corrupted form of Saturanus and found in Linear A inscriptions from 1700 BC) and Dayaus Pita lived at the same time as Jupiter/Zeus (identical to Sheshi from Egyptians inscriptions and Cretan king Saasitepi which is the same as Zeus Deon and dates to 1650 BC.) Indra was also identified as Dionysus who was the first to conquer India. This means that all the Indian Gods were brought to India by the Greeks.

The so-called Indo-European religion was concocted at the time of the Thera Eruption Mega Tsunami based on the conquest of Europe, Egypt, Palestine and India by Uranus, Kronos, Zeus and Dionysus. All Indo-European religion as well as the Phoenician religion is derived from those events and the worship of the kings and generals who participated in them. They are all based on the conquest of Europe, Egypt, Palestine, and India by Minoan Greek kings.

The Hindu gods are exactly the same as the Greek gods because India was ruled over by Uranus (Varuna or Buri) since 1740 BC and succeeded by Kronos (Brahma or Borr in about 1705 BC) and Zeus (Deyus 
Piter or Ve) in about 1680 BC. In about 1520 BC Dionysus also conquered 
India.

Read Panchaea to learn about the origin of the Gods:

"PANKHAIA (Panchaea) was a legendary island of the far south, located in the ocean beyond Arabia. It was inhabited by a lost Greek tribe who had been led there from Krete (Crete) by the god Zeus in the early days of his divine rule."


Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 5. 41. 4 - 5. 64. 7 (trans. Oldfather) (Greek historian C1st B.C.) :

"There is also a notable city on the island, called Panara, which enjoys unusual felicity; its citizens are called ‘suppliants of Zeus Triphylios,’ [Triphylios means ‘Of the Three Tribes’] and they are the only inhabitants of the land of Panchaea who live under laws of their own making and have no king over them. Each year they elect three chief magistrates; these men have no authority over capital crimes, but render judgment in all other matters; and the weightiest affairs they refer of their own accord to the priests."

"For the myth relates that in ancient times, when Ouranos (Uranus) was king of the inhabited earth, he took pleasure in tarrying in that place and in surveying from its lofty top both the heavens and the stars therein, and that at a later time it came to be called Triphylian (Of Three Tribes) Olympos because the men who dwelt about it were composed of three peoples; these namely, were known as Pankhaioi (Panchaeans), Okeanites, and Doians"

"According to the myth which the priests give, the gods had their origin in Krete (Crete), and were led by Zeus to Pankhaia at the time when he sojourned among men and was king of the inhabited earth. In proof of this they cite their language, pointing out that most of the things they have about them still retain their Kretan (Cretan) names; and they add that the kinship which they have with the Kretans and the kindly regard they feel towards them are traditions they received from their ancestors, since this report is ever handed down from one generation to another. And it has been their practice, in corroboration of these claims, to point to inscriptions which, they said, were made by Zeus during the time he still sojourned among men and founded the temple."
http://www.theoi.com/Phylos/Pankhaia.html

Ouranos was a real Greek king of the Ectenes tribe and ruled Greece in 1750 BC. Aphrodite was the real daughter of Ouranos and queen of Cyprus and Kythera. His adoption into IE would have to have been after 1750 BC which is when Ouranos actually reigned over Greece, Asia-Minor, Phoenicia, India as Varuna and the Vikings as Borr.

The meaning of God had an entirely meaning in the Ancient word than it has today, as Eusebius and every Ancient writer explain. The Greeks were polytheists and the Greek Gods shared power in Greece, the Egyptian Gods shared power Egypt and the Assyrian Gods shared power in Assyria unless they conquered or were conquered.

Zeus conquered Egypt in 1674 BC and then handed over the kingdom to Io in 1667 BC who gave birth to Epaphus (Apepi) who ruled from 1645.5 to 1596 BC. But Zeus never had complete control of Asia Minor which belonged to Hades or Phoenicia which belonged to Poseidon.

The Titanic Empire of Cronos reached all they way to Tyrrhenia in the north and Egypt in the east and the Pillars of Hercules in the west.

Dionysus conquered Asia Minor, Thebes, Thrace, India, and Syria but never conquered Egypt or the rest of Greece.

The only God to have conquered all of these places simultaneously was Alexander. Not even Zeus or Dionysus held Greece, Egypt and India simultaneously.

[wvwvw]

Dont be fooled the real cherokees are the basques/celts/true goths and by saying middle east they want you to think they were the imposters known as jews(crypto pharisees)today.If you believe these busted imposters you are unknowingly betraying your real ancestors

Much more info here. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?132958-Historians-note-that-Odin-who-was-a-very-popular-Thracian-ruler-Thracians-a-hidden-history

Please don't get fooled by the fact that they spoke Greek and that up to Roman times the Basques spoke a NON-indo-European language.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

WE Whuz CHEROKEE N SHIEET!

[Pulsa Dinura]

The words of a stranded Phoenician in Brasil (the Paraiba Stone) in the 6th Century BCE:

"We are children of Canaan from Sidon of the Eastern Kingdom of Merchants and are cast, I pray,here beside a central land of mountains (with this) offered choice gift to the Most High Gods andGoddesses in year 19 of King Hiram, I pray (still) strong, from the valley of Ezion-geber of theRed Sea. Thereby (we) journeyed with 10 ships and we were at sea together assuredly two yearsaround the land of Ham. We were separated by the hand of Baal and no longer remained amongour companions, I pray, we have come here, 12 men and 3 women at this new land. Devoted, Imake, even whom men of wealth bow the knee, a pledge to the Most High Gods and Goddesses."

http://www.academia.edu/3523161/Phoenician_Inscription_in_America_-_Paraiba_Stone_Fraud_or_Genuine

[wvwvw]

The words of a stranded Phoenician in Brasil (the Paraiba Stone) in the 6th Century BCE:

"We are children of Canaan from Sidon of the Eastern Kingdom of Merchants and are cast, I pray,here beside a central land of mountains (with this) offered choice gift to the Most High Gods andGoddesses in year 19 of King Hiram, I pray (still) strong, from the valley of Ezion-geber of theRed Sea. Thereby (we) journeyed with 10 ships and we were at sea together assuredly two yearsaround the land of Ham. We were separated by the hand of Baal and no longer remained amongour companions, I pray, we have come here, 12 men and 3 women at this new land. Devoted, Imake, even whom men of wealth bow the knee, a pledge to the Most High Gods and Goddesses."

http://www.academia.edu/3523161/Phoenician_Inscription_in_America_-_Paraiba_Stone_Fraud_or_Genuine

Phoenicians too have been to South America.

Sidon=Poseidon

The Phoenicians were Greek to begin with being decedents of Io. Phoenician was a tribal name to describe the descendants of Io and Phoenix. The Canaites never called themselves Phoenicians.

We know exactly who the gods of the Phoenicians were and they were not the same gods as those of the Hittites, Ugaritic, Canaanite, Babylonian, Assyrian or Egyptian.

Abraham came for the city of Ur. Adam came from Adana. The "Phoenicians" (Canaites) originated from the region of India.
http://phoenicia.org/ethnlang.html

Elyon is stated to be a god of the Phoenicians who was adopted by the Jews as say Sanchuniathon, Porphyry, Philo of Byblos and Eusebius. El is stated to be his biological gandson.

El's existence is proven by Cretan Linear A inscriptions which show as Porphyry and Philo tell us that he was the same person as Kronos or Saturn and ruled Crete under the name Satur in 1700 BC. It's pretty likely that he was the founder of the Hyksos dynasty both from Manetho's dating and from Indo-European etymology.

His successor in the Egyptian king lists was Sheshi, ie. Zeus who appears in Linear A inscriptions of the same period as Saasitepis king of Tilsis and Lato in Crete both of which are known to be the places where Zeus was born and grew up. Saasitepis is known from Germanic kings lists as Ausstaeb or Istaveon, ie Zeus Deus or Sdeus/Sdevs which is the Proto-Greek etymological root of the name Zeus.

Therefore archaeology corroborates Sanchuniathon, Porpyry and Philo and proves that the gods of the Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians and Jews as well as those of the Germans and Vikings were all Hyksos kings.

[mangoldt]

Who do you think your Vedic Gods were?

Here's what historians say. Based on the chronology of Indian kings and the Gods who lived before them (as established by F E Pargiter) it is clear that Varuna lived at the same time as Uranus (corrupted form of Saturanus and found in Linear A inscriptions from 1700 BC), Brahma lived at the same time as Saturn/Kronos (corrupted form of Saturanus and found in Linear A inscriptions from 1700 BC) and Dayaus Pita lived at the same time as Jupiter/Zeus (identical to Sheshi from Egyptians inscriptions and Cretan king Saasitepi which is the same as Zeus Deon and dates to 1650 BC.) Indra was also identified as Dionysus who was the first to conquer India. This means that all the Indian Gods were brought to India by the Greeks.

The so-called Indo-European religion was concocted at the time of the Thera Eruption Mega Tsunami based on the conquest of Europe, Egypt, Palestine and India by Uranus, Kronos, Zeus and Dionysus. All Indo-European religion as well as the Phoenician religion is derived from those events and the worship of the kings and generals who participated in them. They are all based on the conquest of Europe, Egypt, Palestine, and India by Minoan Greek kings.

The Hindu gods are exactly the same as the Greek gods because India was ruled over by Uranus (Varuna or Buri) since 1740 BC and succeeded by Kronos (Brahma or Borr in about 1705 BC) and Zeus (Deyus 
Piter or Ve) in about 1680 BC. In about 1520 BC Dionysus also conquered 
India.

Read Panchaea to learn about the origin of the Gods:

"PANKHAIA (Panchaea) was a legendary island of the far south, located in the ocean beyond Arabia. It was inhabited by a lost Greek tribe who had been led there from Krete (Crete) by the god Zeus in the early days of his divine rule."



Ouranos was a real Greek king of the Ectenes tribe and ruled Greece in 1750 BC. Aphrodite was the real daughter of Ouranos and queen of Cyprus and Kythera. His adoption into IE would have to have been after 1750 BC which is when Ouranos actually reigned over Greece, Asia-Minor, Phoenicia, India as Varuna and the Vikings as Borr.

The meaning of God had an entirely meaning in the Ancient word than it has today, as Eusebius and every Ancient writer explain. The Greeks were polytheists and the Greek Gods shared power in Greece, the Egyptian Gods shared power Egypt and the Assyrian Gods shared power in Assyria unless they conquered or were conquered.

Zeus conquered Egypt in 1674 BC and then handed over the kingdom to Io in 1667 BC who gave birth to Epaphus (Apepi) who ruled from 1645.5 to 1596 BC. But Zeus never had complete control of Asia Minor which belonged to Hades or Phoenicia which belonged to Poseidon.

The Titanic Empire of Cronos reached all they way to Tyrrhenia in the north and Egypt in the east and the Pillars of Hercules in the west.

Dionysus conquered Asia Minor, Thebes, Thrace, India, and Syria but never conquered Egypt or the rest of Greece.

The only God to have conquered all of these places simultaneously was Alexander. Not even Zeus or Dionysus held Greece, Egypt and India simultaneously.

Pure bullshit lies.

Greeks may have had an influence on TAMILS and TELEGUS, as Dravidians are closer genetically and metrically to Europeans than Indo-Aryans are. So there is probably more Greek influence in the South of India rather than in places like Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Punjab, etc

[RMuller]

They think that Quetzalcoatl is a folk memory of Jesus

Yeah i seen videos about that. And it's in the "Book of Mormons".