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Joe McCarthy
11-12-2010, 10:14 PM
I posted this on another thread but it deserves attention in its own right.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0894g.asp


Book Review
by Richard M. Ebeling, August 1994

The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism by Stefan Kühl (New York: Oxford University Press, 1994) 166 pages; $22.00.

In his 1910 textbook, Elementary Principles of Economics, world-renowned Yale Professor Irving Fisher devoted part of a chapter to "Population in Relation to Wealth." Fisher warned of the problem of "race suicide" caused by the fact that the most industrious and productive members of society tended to have fewer children than those belonging to lower racial and social groups. "If the vitality or vital capital is impaired by a breeding of the worst and a cessation of the breeding of the best, no greater calamity could be imagined." But he was pleased to point out:

A method of attaining the contrary result — namely, reproducing from the best and suppressing reproduction from the worst — has been suggested by the late Sir Francis Galton of England, under the name of "eugenics." This movement, which promises to become a strong one, aims to prevent (by isolation in public institutions and in some cases by surgical operations) the possibility of the propagation of feeble-minded and certain other classes of defectives and degenerates, also to develop a public sentiment which shall condemn marriages in which either husband or wife has a transmissible disease, or any inheritable taint of epilepsy, insanity, etc., or is otherwise unfit to become a parent.

And in his 1911 textbook, Principles of Economics, in the chapter on "Population," Harvard Professor Frank W. Taussig noted:

More and more thought has been given of late years to the strange contrast between our care in breeding animals and our carelessness in breeding men. . . . Certain types of criminals and paupers breed only their kind, and society has a right and a duty to protect its members from the repeated burden of maintaining and guarding such parasites. . . . The human race could be immensely improved in quality, and its capacity for happy living immensely increased, if those of poor physical and mental endowment were prevented from multiplying. . . . More light will come in time from what is called eugenics; that is, from systematic inquiry as to the transmittal of inborn and acquired traits from generation to generation, with a view to the possibilities of selection and breeding.

Professor Taussig did admit that "it is difficult to conceive any such system which would not imply the sacrifice of present happiness of countless individuals, for the sake of a cold and distant ideal of ultimate racial improvement."

The significance of these passages is that two of America's most respected economists of the time found it appropriate to basically endorse the idea of racial breeding and control in standard economics textbooks. It is one indication of how widespread such notions had become in the first decades of the 20th century.

The modern eugenics movement began with Sir Francis Galton in the 1880s. The guiding premise was that genetic background influenced the mental and physical development of both individuals and racial and social groups. Science, it was believed, would enable a discovery of those genetic "types" in humans that represented racial and social degeneracy as well as those representing racial and social improvement. Wise laws and state power could then see to it that the racially and socially undesirable were prevented from propagating more of their "inferior types" through methods such as forced sterilization. At the same time, incentives and sexual breeding techniques could induce the genetically superior to increase their numbers and thus improve the race and the culture.

Beginning in 1907, with legislation passed in Indiana, forced sterilization on the basis of eugenic doctrine began spreading across the United States, with finally thirty states having such laws on the books. In this century, upwards of 50,000 Americans have been sterilized by order of the state. The constitutionality of such compulsion was upheld in 1927, when the case Buck vs. Bell went before the Supreme Court. With only one dissent, the court said, in a majority opinion written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes:

It is better for the world, if instead of waiting to execute offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.

The court, in other words, went beyond saying that a person is guilty until proven innocent; it declared that hypothetical persons were presumed guilty of criminal intent even before being conceived and may not be brought into existence. The 1927 decision has never been overturned, and is still a part of the law of the land.

After World War II, German lawyers defending those accused of being Nazi war criminals for having forcibly sterilized two million people as a part of Nazi racial doctrine pointed to the sterilization laws in America and the 1927 Supreme Court decision as justification for their clients' conduct.

In his recent book, The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism and National Socialism, Stefan Kühl traces the relationships between the Nazi racial theorists and members of the American eugenics movement in the 1930s. American eugenicists and German advocates of "racial hygiene" were already communicating and sharing ''scientific'' information before the First World War. The conflict in Europe, and particularly American entry into the war against Germany, broke off all such ties. But shortly after the war's end, contacts began to reemerge, with their American colleagues being especially helpful in getting German eugenicists accepted back into their community of scholars.

Throughout the 1920s, the German proponents of racial sterilization drew upon the arguments of their American counterparts, using data the American eugenicists had collected to justify the case for distinguishing between "superior" and "inferior" racial types; they also made the case that America was more enlightened and progressive in its racial policies, since numerous American states had passed sterilization laws, while German law was "backward" in its narrow defense of individual rights that frustrated equivalent German legislation.

With Hitler's coming to power in 1933, Germany's racial hygienists came into their own, with institutes for race science and research being established or expanded. They solicited articles by many of the leading American eugenicists for their "scholarly" journals, translated many of their works into German, and gave them wide distribution. The Nazis used these American books and articles to demonstrate that they were not alone in the world in advocating compulsory racial improvement and purity.

A number of American eugenicists happily cooperated. Harry L. Laughlin, who authored the "model" sterilization law for Virginia that was then copied by several other states, saw his proposals explicitly implemented in Germany's 1933 Hereditary Health Law, that prohibited racial intermarriage and codified forced sterilization in the new Germany. As a tribute, the University of Heidelberg awarded Laughlin an honorary degree in 1936, which he enthusiastically accepted.

Even in the late 1930s and early 1940s, some American eugenics publications refused to criticize Nazi race policy in general or legal persecution of the Jews in particular. Some of the leading eugenicists argued that to do so would be to unjustifiably mix science with politics. But in 1942, American eugenicist T. U. H. Ellinger published an article in the Journal of Heredity, in which he said that after a visit to Germany in 1939-1940, it was clear to him that Nazi treatment of the Jews was merely "a large-scale breeding project, with the purpose of eliminating from the nation the hereditary attributes of the Semitic race" and eugenic science "can undoubtedly assist them in carrying out a reasonably correct labeling of every doubtful individual. The rest remains in the cruel hands of the S.S., the S.A. and the Gestapo."

In 1940, another leading American eugenicist, Lothrop Stoddard, said, after spending four months in Germany, that the Nazis were "weeding out the worst strains in the Germanic stock in a scientific and truly humanitarian way" and that the "Jews problem" was "already settled in principle and soon to be settled by the physical elimination of the Jews themselves from the Third Reich." Stoddard had even sat in on some cases of the German Hereditary Supreme Court and helped the judges reach a positive verdict for sterilization concerning, "An 'apelike' man with receding forehead and flaring nostrils who had a history of homosexuality and was married to a 'Jewess' by whom he had three 'ne'er-do-well children.'"

Professor Kühl emphasizes that by the end of the 1930s a sizable number of American eugenicists began to differentiate between what they considered their own scientific studies and the racialism of the Nazi regime. And a growing number refused to have anything to do with their German counterparts. They believed that Nazi practice was prejudicing their own work in the eyes of the international community of scholars. But the fact remains that the American eugenics movement, the compulsory sterilization laws in thirty states, and the 1927 Supreme Court decision served as powerful legitimizers for Nazi racial theory and practice. As the German journal Grossdeutscher Pressdienst declared in 1936, "[F]or us Germans it is especially important to know and to see how one of the biggest states in the world with Nordic stock [the U.S.] already has race legislation which is quite comparable to that of the German Reich."

Magister Eckhart
11-13-2010, 12:13 AM
When I was speaking at the University of Notre Dame MD on Martin Luther and German Nationalism, there was another speaker who pointed to the French colonial origins of National Socialism. It seems to me everyone wants to say National Socialism came from somewhere different; the reality is that National Socialism really came from only one thing: the time of its origin. Interpreted through a German lens, the Zeitgeist of the post-war period really led to the origination of National Socialism as a conglomerate of ideas that had been circulating throughout the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries regarding biological race and racial hygiene - the Lebensreform movement in Germany contributed as much as Grant Madison, Gobineau, Chamberlain, Spencer, Malthus, Nietzsche, Hegel, and a whole array of other thinkers who either wrote explicitly about biological race or were brought into the discussion of biological race by other thinkers (the latter four were especially common victims of being "Darwinised").

However, singular focuses like this one do serve the purpose of broadening our view of National Socialism and its sources, and gives us a more nuanced historical view of its rise in a German context.

Joe McCarthy
11-13-2010, 09:43 PM
Obviously the rise of Nazism had non-American origins too. The real point is not so much to focus on NS but to bring attention to the habitually overlooked racial system of the US. Among anti-American, pro-NS types on the 'far right', one often get the impression that America has always been a negrofied, egalitarian hellhole exporting 'anti-culture' to what would be an otherwise racially healthy Europe.

Of course that is a comically distorted view. In fact, though we ultimately have ourselves to blame for any regression in racial policy, if anything, the detrimental thinking that overturned the racial order came to us from Europe, not from us to Europe.

I think one very key point mentioned in the book review is how American eugenicists came to distance themselves from the Nazis due to NS excesses. This is often overlooked as well. Both moderate eugenicists and moderate anti-Semites (like Belloc and Chesterton) regarded the NS regime as far too extreme, and contrary to the interests of legitimate criticism and theory in these areas.

In the end the Nazis did much to discredit the very things they held dear.

Curtis24
11-13-2010, 10:17 PM
American raciaology was politically motivated. American corporations wanted to keep out immigrants who came from societies with Socialist movements - mostly Eastern European and Italian immigrants - and thus the embracing of the "tripartite" Nordic, Mediterranean, Alpine model; with Italian Mediterraneans and East Europe Alpines seen as being inferior.

Joe McCarthy
11-13-2010, 10:27 PM
American raciaology was politically motivated. American corporations wanted to keep out immigrants who came from societies with Socialist movements - mostly Eastern European and Italian immigrants - and thus the embracing of the "tripartite" Nordic, Mediterranean, Alpine model; with Italian Mediterraneans and East Europe Alpines seen as being inferior.

There is much truth in that. Labor unions also did much to keep out immigrants, including the Jew Samuel Gompers.

Magister Eckhart
11-13-2010, 10:37 PM
There is much truth in that. Labor unions also did much to keep out immigrants, including the Jew Samuel Gompers.

You seem, if I am not mistaken, to use the phrase "the Jew" polemically here. How would you account for American anti-Semitism with such an attitude?

Also, equating anti-Immigrant feeling, especially for economic reasons, to a racialist feeling does not make a great deal of sense. It is, in fact, an error made by pro-immigrant groups and individuals regularly. The immigrant who "steals jobs" is a fundamentally different social abstraction than the immigrant who is "racially inferior". One is a threat to livelihood, the other, usually, is a threat to broader social order, causing a breakdown to the social system. In short, the immigrant who "steals jobs" is an individual threat, while the "racially inferior" immigrant is a collective threat.

Curtis24
11-14-2010, 12:54 AM
Really, no one country has a premium on racial ideology. Racial ideology has, for the most part, always been politically motivated in some way, and each country has adopted and moulded such ideology to fit their own goals. Hitler and the Nazis actually rejected the classic Tripartite model because most Germans at the time were classified as Alpines.

Joe McCarthy
11-14-2010, 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by The Wagnerian
Also, equating anti-Immigrant feeling, especially for economic reasons, to a racialist feeling does not make a great deal of sense.

Gompers spoke in explicitly racial language, calling for the renewal of the exclusion act in order to blunt the triumph of 'Asiatic coolieism'.

Magister Eckhart
11-14-2010, 10:50 PM
Gompers spoke in explicitly racial language, calling for the renewal of the exclusion act in order to blunt the triumph of 'Asiatic coolieism'.

Then he was a racialist, and therefore anti-Immigrant; what I am saying is that being anti-Immigrant does not mean one is racialist - it does not necessitate it - and being an anti-Immigrant, especially for economic reasons, does not make one a racialist.

Obviously racialists will be anti-Immigrant (unless they are of the Immigrant community or close to it, like the Negroes in America are), I'd be a fool to argue against that.

Joe McCarthy
10-16-2011, 11:41 PM
Bumping this.

Saturni
10-16-2011, 11:48 PM
Hamilton drew the blueprint, Lincoln supplied the muscle, and Hitler took copious notes.

European blood
10-17-2011, 12:02 PM
So Americans were the original Nazis?

Saturni
10-17-2011, 12:54 PM
So Americans were the original Nazis?

Yes.

Magister Eckhart
10-17-2011, 05:46 PM
So Americans were the original Nazis?

Cousins, not precursors. The influence of American ideas on National Socialism is incredibly overstated. The fact is that American racialism stems from the same place as National Socialism, but that does not mean one necessarily had a great deal of influence on the other. In reality Madison Grant comes from the same place as the Arthur de Gobineau, and Hitler bears the marks of both, but also of earlier thinkers. Darwinism and Social Darwinism were not specific to America, though our propensity toward Liberalism and faith in science certainly influenced the success of such ideas here.

If one traces the origin of eugenics and the racial science that Grant and Gobineau espouses, it goes back to a number of Enlightenment thinkers, including Voltaire and Kant. To talk about Hamilton or Lincoln as major influences on National Socialism is, frankly, just ignorant of history and unable to look beyond the sort of stuff one sees on History Channel. Hamilton is a small fry in the history of Euro-American theory and ideology; important in American history, but only truly important in the eyes of people who think the Eastern Seaboard is the edge of the world.

The reality is that National Socialism was a result more than anything else of its own time. The background of the movement can be traced to a lot of modern ideas; it has been successfully linked to Martin Luther, to the Enlightenment, to Darwin, to Prussian militarism, to the Freikorps of Interwar Germany, to quite a number of things -- and, to be sure, none of them are entirely inaccurate, but none of them are accurate either. If we want to determine a chief source, we have to look at the man who founded and drove the movement, namely Adolf Hitler.

The influences exerted on Hitler come largely from racial pamphlets distributed in Vienna in the early 1900s. We know, for example, that he was a reader of krank racialists like Lanz von Liebenfels. As popular as Liebenfels was, though, the "positive Christianity" idea that Hitler espoused -- when others like Himmler were running about with a twisted sort of racial paganism -- was likely to be found in the writings of other popular Vienna pamphleteers like Joseph Scheicher. Of course, we mustn't ignore the influence of popular political leaders like George von Schoenerer and the man who was possibly Vienna's greatest manipulator of mass opinion before Hitler himself, Karl Lueger. Mein Kampf reveals the explicit influence of these two on Hitler's worldview. The popular scientific racism of Grant, Gobineau, and others, came to Hitler filtered through these pamphlets and thinkers, but not without significant additions by the writers themselves.

That's not to say, of course, that Americans did not develop similar ideas on their own - but to say that somehow Hitler came from America is simply absurd.

Chip Farley
10-18-2011, 03:36 PM
Among anti-American, pro-NS types on the 'far right', one often get the impression that America has always been a negrofied, egalitarian hellhole exporting 'anti-culture' to what would be an otherwise racially healthy Europe.


No, America has only been a negrofied, egalitarian hellhole exporting 'anti-culture' since April 1865.


http://lsm.crt.state.la.us/cabildo/cab11f.gif

Saturni
10-18-2011, 03:42 PM
No, America has only been a negrofied, egalitarian hellhole exporting 'anti-culture' since April 1865.


http://lsm.crt.state.la.us/cabildo/cab11f.gif

Lincoln, following the economic blueprint for National Socialism that Hamilton drew up, destroyed the Republic and, in doing so, turned the executive branch into a de facto dictatorship.

Lincoln was and remains the enemy of all those those who believed in the Jefforsonian states rights tradition and why, in turn, he's loved by statists like Obama.

Oreka Bailoak
10-18-2011, 04:11 PM
Lincoln, following the economic blueprint for National Socialism that Hamilton drew up, destroyed the Republic and, in doing so, turned the executive branch into a de facto dictatorship.

Lincoln was and remains the enemy of all those those who believed in the Jefforsonian states rights tradition and why, in turn, he's loved by statists like Obama.

This sounds ridiculous. There is truth to it though.

All he's trying to say is that Hamilton wanted a national bank to pay for "government projects" (government spending, national debt). The strongest disciple of Hamilton was the same man who Lincoln most admired and copied his economic policy from. When Lincoln came to power he decided that he could have this wish after he quickly beat the south- the war ended up being harder than the thought- but once Lincoln won his party had total ideological control over the whole country and the government structure was set for increasing in size, increasing spending, increasing debt and more "government works". Lincoln's economic system (which became the American economic system after 1865) greatly influenced the economic system of the German Empire. And the German Empire's economic ideology influenced National Socialist economic ideology, which carried the idea of "public works" to an even greater extent. And many governments of the west (America and Britain) admired Fascist economic policy especially that of Mussolini. Keynesian to the extreme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=487F-ARxk14

The counter ideology was Adam Smith to Jefferson to the Confederate States to the Austrian School to the Chicago School.

Saturni
10-18-2011, 04:32 PM
Yes, it's funny that Hitler is remembered now as the epitome of evil and anti-individualism, yet Lincoln, the man whom Hitler practically based his governing style on, is considered a martyr to freedom.

Go figure...

Joe McCarthy
10-18-2011, 04:36 PM
No, America has only been a negrofied, egalitarian hellhole exporting 'anti-culture' since April 1865.


http://lsm.crt.state.la.us/cabildo/cab11f.gif

Funny how Hitler admired Lincoln in that case.

At any rate, you're wrong. Reconstruction failed to impose racial egalitarianism. With the compromise in the election of 1876 Union troops left Dixie and we saw the initiation of the institutions of Jim Crow and white supremacy, which lasted until the 1960s.

Oreka Bailoak
10-18-2011, 04:43 PM
Lincoln, the man whom Hitler practically based his governing style on
Again this sounds ridiculous and I certainly wouldn't say "Hitler... based his governing style on (Lincoln)". But again there is a huge similarity.

Lincoln did control the media by putting journalists into prison simply because they had different views, he closed down certain newspapers in the North, and only allowed newspapers favorable to himself and his policy, deported a politician he didn't like, ignored the supreme court. He frequently said one thing but did something else. I'm sure there's more but that's all that comes to my mind right now.

Saturni
10-18-2011, 04:51 PM
I believe AH devoted a number of pages in Mein Kampf to Uncle Abe.

Sadly, the Constitution proved itself unequal to the task of defending the rights of the citizens from that railroad schill.

Chip Farley
10-18-2011, 05:24 PM
Funny how Hitler admired Lincoln in that case.

At any rate, you're wrong. Reconstruction failed to impose racial egalitarianism. With the compromise in the election of 1876 Union troops left Dixie and we saw the initiation of the institutions of Jim Crow and white supremacy, which lasted until the 1960s.

Looks like you are forgetting the Reconstruction Amendments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Amendments) which were inserted in this time period to act as an anti-White time bomb to explode and destroy the Republic later.

Yes they were nullified for a time by Jim Crow, but what really needed to happen was to have such non-sense fully removed.

The future Jew-free White ethno-state will be free of such verbiage!


http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m511/chipfarley/Miscellaneous%20Three/the_ethnostate.jpg

Magister Eckhart
10-18-2011, 07:22 PM
Yes, it's funny that Hitler is remembered now as the epitome of evil and anti-individualism, yet Lincoln, the man whom Hitler practically based his governing style on, is considered a martyr to freedom.

Go figure...

[citation needed]


Funny how Hitler admired Lincoln in that case.

At any rate, you're wrong. Reconstruction failed to impose racial egalitarianism. With the compromise in the election of 1876 Union troops left Dixie and we saw the initiation of the institutions of Jim Crow and white supremacy, which lasted until the 1960s.

The historical reality, in fact, is that the Negro was worse off between 1865 and 1965 than between 1765 and 1865. The forceful humbling of the South left those who were disenfranchised and disinherited bitter and full of a desire for revenge; it created both the modern Negro menace from freed slaves and the modern white trash element from ruined farms and mistreated impoverished white farmers. You see very little of the Ante Bellum aristocracy involved in the race question after Forrest disowned the first Klan - most, if not all subsequent racial movements and racial laws were designed by descendants of poor white farmers who owned few if any slaves. Ultimately, though, the "victory" in 1865 probably benefited the Negro even less than it benefited Southrons: this is the material point.

Joe McCarthy
10-18-2011, 08:19 PM
So Americans were the original Nazis?

It'd be more accurate to say that Hitler took a lot of ideas already in force to good effect in the US and screwed it all up.

Saturni
10-18-2011, 08:43 PM
It'd be more accurate to say that Hitler took a lot of ideas already in force to good effect in the US and screwed it all up.

Used to good effect to forcibly deprive citizens of their constitutional rights, yes.

Joe McCarthy
10-18-2011, 08:44 PM
Used to good effect to forcibly deprive citizens of their constitutional rights, yes.

Our eugenics laws were upheld by the Supreme Court in 1927 and that ruling has never been overturned.

Saturni
10-18-2011, 09:02 PM
Our eugenics laws were upheld by the Supreme Court in 1927 and that ruling has never been overturned.

I was referring to Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and his concentration camps.

Joe McCarthy
10-18-2011, 09:24 PM
I was referring to Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and his concentration camps.

Suspension of habeas corpus is constitutional.

'Concentration camps'? That's a bit extreme, no? Those are typically said to have originated during the Boer War or maybe in Spanish held Cuba.

Saturni
10-18-2011, 09:27 PM
Suspension of habeas corpus is constitutional.

'Concentration camps'? That's a bit extreme, no? Those are typically said to have originated during the Boer War or maybe in Spanish held Cuba.

Lincoln's war wasn't

Lincoln set up KZs to house northern dissenters during the war. Just one of the many atrocities he committed while in office.

Magister Eckhart
10-19-2011, 02:41 AM
Lincoln's war wasn't

Lincoln set up KZs to house northern dissenters during the war. Just one of the many atrocities he committed while in office.

[citation needed]

Joe McCarthy
10-19-2011, 02:45 AM
Looks like you are forgetting the Reconstruction Amendments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Amendments) which were inserted in this time period to act as an anti-White time bomb to explode and destroy the Republic later.


The same Congress that enacted the Fourteenth Amendment placed segregation in DC schools and the Supreme Court upheld segregation some six times pre-Brown. The Reconstruction Amendments were possible because the South lost their minds and seceded.

But none of this speaks to the fact that America was anything but an egalitarian hellhole from 1865 on, as you strangely contended.

Saturni
10-19-2011, 06:42 AM
The South seceded, as was their lawful right to do so, because they were being squeezed financially by the North via the Tariff of Abominations.

Magister Eckhart
10-19-2011, 07:00 AM
The South seceded, as was their lawful right to do so, because they were being squeezed financially by the North via the Tariff of Abominations.

An idea that was just blatantly stolen from the Dark Lord himself in his rule of Mordor. Or was it a left over plot for conquest by the Deep Ones?

Seriously, "Tariff of Abominations"? You sound like your DMing a Dungeons & Dragons game; this isn't even a serious conversation any more.

Joe McCarthy
10-19-2011, 07:03 AM
The South seceded, as was their lawful right to do so, because they were being squeezed financially by the North via the Tariff of Abominations.

It also had much to do with slavery, as much as Southern revisionists try to spin it otherwise. By the time Lincoln was elected the radicalism was on the Southern side. Had they kept their cool they would have stayed in the Union and Lincoln would have compromised.

The economic issue isn't even really a salient one. Tariffs were needed to protect and develop modern industry, which is much more important than some backward plantation economy, which as we saw, couldn't sustain a war effort.

Saturni
10-19-2011, 07:24 AM
It also had much to do with slavery, as much as Southern revisionists try to spin it otherwise. By the time Lincoln was elected the radicalism was on the Southern side. Had they kept their cool they would have stayed in the Union and Lincoln would have compromised.

The economic issue isn't even really a salient one. Tariffs were needed to protect and develop modern industry, which is much more important than some backward plantation economy, which as we saw, couldn't sustain a war effort.

And so he launched an illegal war of aggression on them, murdering some 300K Southerners in the process.

At the time the Tariff of Abominations was passed, 1828, slavery was not an issue.

The issue at the heart of Lincoln's illegal war of aggression was, and remains, state's rights, in this case, the right to legally secede from the Union.

Secession in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

Note that when the New England states threatened to secede from the Union over the Embargo Act of 1807, neither Jefferson or Madison, resorted to sending in the troops to exterminate the civilian population or raze Boston to the ground, like later did to Richmond. And why did neither Jefferson or Madison do, well first because they weren't a clearly insane as Lincoln was, but, more importantly, they knew that secession was a legal right of the states to exercise.

Chip Farley
10-20-2011, 04:44 PM
Our eugenics laws were upheld by the Supreme Court in 1927 and that ruling has never been overturned.

Interesting factoid.

Eugenics actually went on for quite a long while, often seemingly flying under the radar.

One reason why the quality of life is so high here in the Pacific Northwest, compared to other areas, is that undesirables were being forcibly sterilized up until the early 1980s!


After World War II, public opinion towards eugenics and sterilization programs became more negative in the light of the connection with the genocidal policies of Nazi Germany, though a significant number of sterilizations continued in a few states until the early 1960s. The Oregon Board of Eugenics, later renamed the Board of Social Protection, existed until 1983,[31] with the last forcible sterilization occurring in 1981.[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#United_States

Bobcat Fraser
06-22-2012, 01:10 AM
"War On The Weak" is a great book on this subject. Most Americans don't know much about this topic. I watched a PBS documentary on eugenics and sterilization in the past. I knew nothing about the American version before I saw the program. It was quite shocking, to say the least! The fanatics targeted poor Whites and White immigrants at first. They were considered to be "human weeds" in the American garden. Some of them were placed in asylums and sterilized. It was against their consent and/or knowledge. Some of the "weeds" were just unruly teenagers. The zealots used the catch-all phrase, "feeble-minded", to select victims. Some of them were put in concentration camps, and they were used as slave labor. The Lynchburg Colony was one such infamous institution. I saw an interview with an old man, who was sterilized as a teenager. He won medals as a soldier in World War II. They said that he wasn't fit to breed, but, evidently, he was fit enough to fight and kill Nazis.