Victory day in Praga

[ЛыSSый]

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I have nothing against some our little kins like to lick american asses, but how it was in real

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and medal for a liberation of the praga

https://medalww.ru/wp-content/uploads/Avers-i-revers-medali-Za-osvobozhdenie-Pragi-.jpg

[Mikula]

I did not know about CONVOY oF LIBERTY at Prague in April 2017.
CONVOY OF LIBERTY is traditionally tied with the city of Plzeň (Pilsen) what was actually liberated by American Army (unlike Prague), therefore I googled what does it means.
I have found more info at this site (https://cz.usembassy.gov/cs/konvoj-osvobozeni-zahajil-svou-cestu-plzne-pred-velvyslanectvim/).
There is said that the convoy of the historical military vehicles will appear at Plzeň, actually, to celebrate the end of the WW2, there.
Just started its road at Prague, in the front of US Embassy, there.

[Mikula]

Shortly - it is not celebration of Victory Day in Prague, just preparation for Victory Day in Plzeň

[Mikula]

Maps of areas liberated by Soviet Army (red) and by US Army (blue)
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/sites/default/files/styles/scale_1180/public/images/1057172-565751.png
http://img.ceskatelevize.cz/konecvalky/gfx/mapa.png

[Magnolia]

mikula, and?
Nobody celebrates the liberation by Red Army...

We all know if it wasn't forbidden all CzR was liberated by US army...

[ЛыSSый]

Shortly - it is not celebration of Victory Day in Prague, just preparation for Victory Day in Plzeň

tnx, you has cleared it

[ЛыSSый]

mikula, and?
Nobody celebrates the liberation by Red Army...

We all know if it wasn't forbidden all CzR was liberated by US army...


little sister, but who did forbid to noble us army to did that?

[Mikula]

mikula, and?
Nobody celebrates the liberation by Red Army...

We all know if it wasn't forbidden all CzR was liberated by US army...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AelLnVPY_s

People in April and May 1945 mostly did not care whether the Nazis will be removed from their town by Americans, Soviets and or by Romanians. They welcomed them all.
Communists taken power in 1948 not in 1945, and without any presence of Soviet units in our country - unlike in Poland or Hungary.

[Ülev]

little sister, but who did forbid to noble us army to did that?

man! they are busy on liberating Poland right now --> https://sputniknews.com/military/201705031053218274-usa-division-headquarters-move-poland/ , so because Czechs are so different than Poles and Poland generally, Russians have to liberate Prague again, isn't it?

[Magnolia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AelLnVPY_s

People in April and May 1945 mostly did not care whether the Nazis will be removed from their town by Americans, Soviets and or by Romanians.
Communists taken power in 1948 not in 1945, and without any presence of Soviet units in our country - unlike in Poland or Hungary.

in 1945 maybe not. But now it is totally opposite. You know that every year there is a huge CZ celebration with center in Plzeň. All it is about the US Army....

[Mikula]

in 1945 maybe not. But now it is totally opposite. You know that every year there is a huge CZ celebration with center in Plzeň. All it is about the US Army....

Of course - Plzeň was actually liberated by the Americans.
And during communism was a strict silence about it.
I think that all soldiers who sacrificed their lives in our country against the Nazis deserves our thanks, regardless their nationality.

[Magnolia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62w2aPtXykc

[Magnolia]

Of course - Plzeň was actually liberated by the Americans.
And during communism was a strict silence about it.
I think that all soldiers who sacrificed their lives in our country against the Nazis deserves our thanks, regardless their nationality.

What you think is not important.
Important is that nobody cares...

[Mikula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V9TSzkxm5k

[ЛыSSый]

man! they are busy on liberating Poland right now --> https://sputniknews.com/military/201705031053218274-usa-division-headquarters-move-poland/



NATO has been boosting its presence in Eastern Europe since the outbreak of the Ukrainian conflict in 2014. Western powers accused Russia of meddling in its neighbor's war, but Moscow stressed it was not a side in the hostilities. NATO nevertheless decided deploy additional troops in the Baltic states next to Russia's borders during its 2016 summit in Warsaw.

fck, nato had prepared to start some war but russia didn't want to take part in. but what i want to ask: are there some news like "germanian soldiers has infected gonorea" or "a lot of different stuff is stolen from military camp"? cause poles must think right now about proves of existance some kind of home resistance before liberation will come.



so because Czechs are so different than Poles and Poland generally, Russians have to liberate Prague again, isn't it?

jaja, we're preparing - year by year numbers of our diversants come in.

[Magnolia]

Mikula I really don't like how you are used to claiming what they want to hear and no how is the real situation here.

[Mikula]

Mikula I really don't like how you are used to claiming what they want to hear and no how is the real situation here.

I shows here meaning of mine, not of you or anybody, else.
I dont know what you or Lysyj wish to hear - I comented critically statements of both of you.
Take it easy - thanks to Yankees and Rednecks in US uniforms and to Moskals and Chochols in Soviet uniforms, we are alive to thumb down each other, today.

[Magnolia]

I shows here meaning of mine, not of you or anybody, else.
I dont know what you or Lysyj wish to hear - I comented critically statements of both of you.
Take it easy - thanks to Yankees and Rednecks in US uniforms and to Moskals and Chochols in Soviet uniforms, we are alive to thumb down each other, today.

??? Mikula we are talking about the real situation in CzR. You are giving thanks - well - but it has nothing in common with situation in CzR.
I am real Czech so I will not giving thanks to a charade - the US army was prepare to liberate CzR - they were waiting there and they wasn't allowed to do nothing...
The reason: to make from us Russian slaves; and yes it happened as we all know.

[ЛыSSый]

I am real Czech so I will not giving thanks to a charade - the US army was prepare to liberate CzR - they were waiting there and they wasn't allowed to do nothing...
ok, lillte sister, let you concretize us: who didn't allow to us army to do that?


The reason: to make from us Russian slaves; and yes it happened as we all know. ok, little sister, can you say to us owner of your parents/grands?

[Mikula]

Giving thanks - War memorials in Czech towns are decorated by flowers and wraiths, every year in May.
In Plzeň it is a War Memorial dedicated to US Army in most of another towns are decorated War memorials dedicated to Soviet Army.

Communism - well, in the case that US Army will liberated whole area of our country, the postwar political situation will be different in our country.
It is also true that Patton wished to march more to east but the political leaders did not allow him to continue, because was an agreement with Soviets about the demarcation line. Anyway whaen Americans reached Plzeň, the whole area of Slovakia and large areas of Moravia and Silesia were liberated by Soviet and Romanian forces, already. It means that in the case that US troops will marched more to east, they can reach the prague and perhaps more than half of Bohemia. Anyway, unlike Poland or Hungary our country had a chance to avoid communism. Finland and Austria had worse conditions for it but succeed.

Čeho se na nás dopustí druzí, s tím už se nějak vyrovnáme. Horší je to s tím, čeho jsme se na sobě dopustili sami.
François de La Rochefoucauld

[Magnolia]

ok, lillte sister, let you concretize us: who didn't allow to us army to do that?

ok, little sister, can you say to us owner of your parents/grands?

1. Have you ever heard the word "Demarcation line"?
2. to us? who is "us" your parents/grandparents were less than slaves less than nothing during the Soviet period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
3. I am not you sister.

[Böri]

Maps of areas liberated by Soviet Army (red) and by US Army (blue)
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/sites/default/files/styles/scale_1180/public/images/1057172-565751.png
http://img.ceskatelevize.cz/konecvalky/gfx/mapa.png

When Red Army liberated you they 'liberated, you with similar stories as liberation of Berlin, East Prussia? I mean you know alleged stories with treatment of civilians?

[ЛыSSый]

1. Have you ever heard the word "Demarcation line"?
2. to us? who is "us" your parents/grandparents were less than slaves less than nothing during the Soviet period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
3. I am not you sister.

ay, little sister, i know this jewish trick with counterquestions, it's usualy used when opponent has nothing to answer. but unfortunately you're goy and can't use it properly. might i ask you answer in proper way? or is it too hard for you?

but you want speak about golodomor, you may do it in spesialized thread "Why people forget about Holodomor?" (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?117226-Why-people-forget-about-Holodomor)

[ЛыSSый]

When Red Army liberated you they 'liberated, you with similar stories as liberation of Berlin, East Prussia? I mean you know alleged stories with treatment of civilians?

:picard1:

ubfortunately these stories are just town legends without facts, the facts are some lonely criminal cases in red army about looting and rape of germanians.

[Magnolia]

ay, little sister, i know this jewish trick with counterquestions, it's usualy used when opponent has nothing to answer. but unfortunately you're goy and can't use it properly.

but you want speak about golodomor, you may do it in spesialized thread "Why people forget about Holodomor?" (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?117226-Why-people-forget-about-Holodomor)



I am not your sister - we have nothing in common.
I answered you - you didn't get it; it's not my problem;
And I'm not in mood to explain it to you.
I am bored with topic like this.
Wtf wants still discuss about WWII... Not me. Sorry.
Have a nice evening/life / whatever
bye

[ЛыSSый]

I am not your sister - we have nothing in common.
I answered you - you didn't get it; it's not my problem;
And I'm not in mood to explain it to you.
I am bored with topic like this.
Wtf wants still discuss about WWII... Not me. Sorry.
Have a nice evening/life / whatever
bye

ok, little sister, i understand you: you don't know details, you're just terminally butthurt about russians. may i ask you next time will answer in this way but not try to show yourself smarter than you are?

[Mikula]

When Red Army liberated you they 'liberated, you with similar stories as liberation of Berlin, East Prussia? I mean you know alleged stories with treatment of civilians?

Well, during communism I have seen the same map but with different inscriptions:
Area liberated by Soviet Army
Area occupied by American Army

I was upset for the politization of the history and found it ridiculous.
Ridiculous for me is also when reverse politization of history, today.

If you are asking about the cases of looting and raping by the Soviet forces, it happened too, unfortunatelly - but it was a taboo to talk about it during communism.
Number of people who remember the last days of WW2 is decreasing, and each person had its own personal experience - positive or negative one, or both.
And people mostly dont wish to remember the worse things.
I am against politization of history and I prefer to mention both sides of the story.
During communism the only thing what I can read at textbooks of history at school about role of Americans in WW2 at our country, was, that their Air Forces bombed Czech towns and factories.
Nothing about Plzeň people who welcomed them as liberators.
I was born in 1970s and perhaps it is the reason why I am sensitive for simillar cherrypicking .
HOWGH

[ЛыSSый]

Well, during communism I have seen the same map but with different inscriptions:
Area liberated by Soviet Army
Area occupied by American Army

Mikula, you know russian, may you correctly translate and explain them difference between
"медаль за освобождение праги" и "мадаль за взятие вены"



If you are asking about the cases of looting and raping by the Soviet forces, it happened too, unfortunatelly - but it was a taboo to talk about it during communism.
why? criminal cases about cases exists and they're uncovered for many years. i may beleive in looting, but in rapes - we must check theirs surnames on nationality.

[Mikula]

Mikula, you know russian, may you correctly translate and explain them difference between
"медаль за освобождение праги" и "мадаль за взятие вены"


1) Взятие = conquering
2) Освобождение = liberation

IMHO the difference is that
1) To the country/area/town entered troops what were not welcomed by the locals
2) To the country/area/town entered troops what were welcomed by the locals

In archive at Opava I have seen a Soviet military newspaper (dated April 1945) with article named
ГОРОД ТРОППАУ ВЗЯТ!

I was disappointed that the titel had not name
ГОРОД ОПАВА ОСВОБОЖДЕН!

Nevertheless, majority of Opava (Troppau) dwellers, until 1946 were German-speaking.

[Mikula]

why? criminal cases about cases exists and they're uncovered for many years. i may beleive in looting, but in rapes - we must check theirs surnames on nationality.

What do you mean?

Алёша Кузнецов did not rape, unlike Чингиз Магометов?
Or both of them raped just Greta Spielvogel at Opava (Troppau)
but not her neighbour Anežka Lindovská?

[Mortimer]

Americans did not do much against the nazis, the western front was a kindergarten compared to the eastern front. the real war was on the eastern front. millions of russians died at the hand of the nazis, but only a handful of americans.

[Mikula]

Americans did not do much against the nazis, the western front was a kindergarten compared to the eastern front. the real war was on the eastern front. millions of russians died at the hand of the nazis, but only a handful of americans.

To be fair is necessery to say that Americans battled very hard against Japan at Pacific, before they started their war campaign in the Europe.

And D-Day was everything but kindergarten!

[ЛыSSый]

To be fair is necessery to say that Americans battled very hard against Japan at Pacific, before they started their war campaign in the Europe.

And D-Day was everything but kindergarten!

:picard1:

who hardly fight? americans? against japans? don't make my shoes laught - they have broken already.
even crowd of everdrunken van'kas with shovels as main weapon destroyed 1.5 mln quantun army in 10 days, when 4 mln hi-tech allies forces had 5 years promlems with 2 mln of these fanatics. and don't say me about mighty japanese military vehilces, better you pay attention on their best tank "chi-ha" - even soviet constuctors with unfinished beginner education laughted from it. They even couldn't make proper fight-planer and made instead one-off planer from rice and cow shit with kamikadze inside (request user "knowledge" with his butthurt serenade i'm sinophobe).


acoording to words of our little sister Magnolia (if i has understood its correctly)

We all know if it wasn't forbidden all CzR was liberated by US army...

american troops were affraid of soviet army and waited near CzR border cause soviets had forbade them to came in. american heroes scaredly came in only after germanians invited them and guarantied there were no soviets on this territory. and ofc, sneaky germanians surrendered in the same moment and brought to muricans a lot of problems with unholy soviets.



What do you mean?

Алёша Кузнецов did not rape, unlike Чингиз Магометов?
Or both of them raped just Greta Spielvogel at Opava (Troppau)
but not her neighbour Anežka Lindovská?

in general rapes aren't allowed in slavic culture, at least among us, idk, may be in czesh culrute are another standarts. but it's encouraged in muslim culture.

also exists definition of the hospitality (at least among us) and it's even can't come to mind to rape and murder someone who has invited us, is presenting us food and speak on more or less understandable language. it's wildly even imagine such things, but you may check for similar cases novadays with muslim migrants in eu, also i've read about such cases with uzbek-tajik migrants in russia.

[Mikula]

72 years ago started Prague Uprising (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_uprising)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPtJH2ICVnQ

[Mikula]

72 years ago was liberated my home village