Haplogroup E1b, Nigger or West Eurasian?

[Kazbolat]

Do you think haplgogroup E is West Eurasian originally? It peaks in Northeast Africa and Greece and North Africa.

Were E carriers originally West Eurasian or Subsaharan?

[Rethel]

Both and neither.

E is, the same as all hg from Iraq, and as
descendats of Ham settled in the Levant
and North Africa. Does Bantu E1b was at
the beginning swarthy or black maybe can
be a matter of debate, but, probably don't
and today is almost exclusively black, so it
doesn;t matter anyway.

[Sacrificed Ram]

DE (YAP+) is syrian in origin.

[Kazbolat]

Both and neither.

E is, the same as all hg from Iraq, and as
descendats of Ham settled in the Levant
and North Africa. Does Bantu E1b was at
the beginning swarthy or black maybe can
be a matter of debate, but, probably don't
and today is almost exclusively black, so it
doesn;t matter anyway.


Well Natufians were E1b carriers and they were closer to Basal Eurasians. Haplogroup E was dominant in SW Asia before CHG related Haplogroup J fucked them all in Bronze Age

[babuk]

Basal Eurasian

[Kazbolat]

Basal Eurasian

and were basal eurasians closer to africans or modern west eurasians?

[Sacrificed Ram]

E1b (E-P2) has origin in Ethiopia or Somalia.

[Lek]

E1b is Negroid as much as R1a is Indian :D

[Sacrificed Ram]

We cannot flee from Africa, is no sense preocupation about E1b, but none preocupation about A1b.

[Kazbolat]

E1b is Negroid as much as R1a is Indian :D

well not a fair comparison. we know that haplogroup E is Basal Eurasian and Basal Eurasians were not really "West Eurasian", they just played a role in formation of West Eurasians. The same goes for haplogroup R, they were North Eurasians and contributed to West Eurasian gene pool

[Numidia]

E1b1b lineages would have been part and parcel to virtually all Neolithic and subsequent cultures in Europe, if only as a tiny minority in Scandinavia, Northeast Europe and in the Pontic Steppe. Although E1b1b represents the last major migration out of Africa, E1b1b individuals may have been among the first people to have acquired the alleles for fair skin. European hunter-gatherers were still dark skinned as recently as 7000 years ago (Olalde et al. 2014), while the Early Neolithic farmers from the Near East possessed alleles for fair skin found in modern Europeans. Those Neolithic farmers would have included members of haplogroup E-V13 (confirmed) as well as E-M34 (inferred). It is still unclear exactly when and among which haplogroup fair skin arose, but it has been suggested that the new diet brought by cereral agriculture would have caused deficiencies in vitamin D, which was traditionally absorbed from fish and meat among foragers. Mutations for light skin would have been positively selected among Neolithic agriculturalists to stimulate the production of vitamin D from sunlight in order to compensate for the scarcity of meat. So ironically the first white-skinned Europeans may have been farmers partially descended from people recently arrived from Northeast Africa.




Both and neither.

E is, the same as all hg from Iraq, and as
descendats of Ham settled in the Levant
and North Africa. Does Bantu E1b was at
the beginning swarthy or black maybe can
be a matter of debate, but, probably don't
and today is almost exclusively black, so it
doesn;t matter anyway.

who can use the term ham in genetic ?

[Rethel]

E1b1b lineages would have been part and parcel to virtually all Neolithic and subsequent cultures in Europe, if only as a tiny minority in Scandinavia, Northeast Europe and in the Pontic Steppe. Although E1b1b represents the last major migration out of Africa, E1b1b individuals may have been among the first people to have acquired the alleles for fair skin. European hunter-gatherers were still dark skinned as recently as 7000 years ago (Olalde et al. 2014), while the Early Neolithic farmers from the Near East possessed alleles for fair skin found in modern Europeans. Those Neolithic farmers would have included members of haplogroup E-V13 (confirmed) as well as E-M34 (inferred). It is still unclear exactly when and among which haplogroup fair skin arose, but it has been suggested that the new diet brought by cereral agriculture would have caused deficiencies in vitamin D, which was traditionally absorbed from fish and meat among foragers. Mutations for light skin would have been positively selected among Neolithic agriculturalists to stimulate the production of vitamin D from sunlight in order to compensate for the scarcity of meat. So ironically the first white-skinned Europeans may have been farmers partially descended from people recently arrived from Northeast Africa.

You confused E with G.


who can use the term ham in genetic ?

Everybody.

[Deymark]

E1b1b lineages would have been part and parcel to virtually all Neolithic and subsequent cultures in Europe, if only as a tiny minority in Scandinavia, Northeast Europe and in the Pontic Steppe. Although E1b1b represents the last major migration out of Africa, E1b1b individuals may have been among the first people to have acquired the alleles for fair skin. European hunter-gatherers were still dark skinned as recently as 7000 years ago (Olalde et al. 2014), while the Early Neolithic farmers from the Near East possessed alleles for fair skin found in modern Europeans. Those Neolithic farmers would have included members of haplogroup E-V13 (confirmed) as well as E-M34 (inferred). It is still unclear exactly when and among which haplogroup fair skin arose, but it has been suggested that the new diet brought by cereral agriculture would have caused deficiencies in vitamin D, which was traditionally absorbed from fish and meat among foragers. Mutations for light skin would have been positively selected among Neolithic agriculturalists to stimulate the production of vitamin D from sunlight in order to compensate for the scarcity of meat. So ironically the first white-skinned Europeans may have been farmers partially descended from people recently arrived from Northeast Africa.





who can use the term ham in genetic ?

Farmers did not have fair skin.Farmers came from West Asia, it is impossible to develop fair skin there.Farmers looked like today Levantines.
Light skin in Europe came from R*.

[wvwvw]

The only sandnigger is you caucasian faggot bunny.

[Rethel]

Farmers did not have fair skin.Farmers came from West Asia, it is impossible to develop fair skin there.Farmers looked like today Levantines.
Light skin in Europe came from R*.

It is probable, that they have previously some contact
with R-folk before they came here. For example, famous
Ötzi had a little IE admixture. But in huge majority, they
of course looked like Saudis and Syrians. This what is
called white skin, wasnt so white as people think.
The whitest among Farmers could look like that:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64559&d=1491998121

[catgeorge]

You dumb dumbz.

Likely originated around red sea - Euro farmer Z1919 split from North African 24,000 years ago

G split from IJK and is proto-neolithic with J. V-22 is 12,000 years old that later morphed into V-13 7,000 years old.

It was in Europe many thousands of years before R and likely mixed with IJ + G before the arrival of R

[Bosniensis]

Do you think haplgogroup E is West Eurasian originally? It peaks in Northeast Africa and Greece and North Africa.

Were E carriers originally West Eurasian or Subsaharan?

E, I and J = Roman Empire

Egyptians, Tunisians... and other Phoenecian people have contributed THE MOST to the modern European culture.

Actually Greeks should thank to Phonecian people for everything they have accomplished.

[Rethel]

E, I and J = Roman Empire

:picard1:

It has the same sense as saying, that Chineses, Indians and Black Slaves in America = USA. :picard2:

[MinervaItalica]

E, I and J = Roman Empire

:lmao

[Bosniensis]

:lmao

Keep laughing ... we'll see who will laugh in the end.

[MinervaItalica]

Keep laughing ... we'll see who will laugh in the end.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Rethel]

Keep laughing ... we'll see who will laugh in the end.

Not you.

[MinervaItalica]

Ottomans = Romans.

:lmao

[babuk]

Modern Italians are a mixture of Roman slaves and Germanic tribes, Ancient Italians were primary Italic whose ancestors originally came from the Neolithic Middle East and closely related to other ancient Near Eastern civilizations such as Phoenicians "Phon" assume their roots came from the Red Sea region and S.umerians who gave most of their knowledge to Hellenes
Technically the first European civilizations just copy pasted the knowledge of their Near Eastern cousins. Writing, mathematics, astrology, science came from Babylon and Egypt.

[MinervaItalica]

Modern Italians are a mixture of Roman slaves and Germanic tribes, Ancient Italians were primary Italic whose ancestors originally came from the Neolithic Middle East and closely related to other ancient Near Eastern civilizations such as Phoenicians "Phon" assume their roots came from the Red Sea region and S.umerians who gave most of their knowledge to Hellenes

Don't be ridiculous...

[Bosniensis]

:lmao

You call yourself "Germanophobe" yet you are a Catholic...

Did you know that Catholicism (post 6th century) is exclusively Lombard and Frankish in Origin?

Germanophobe serving Germans, how nice.

Romans were always Orthodox Christians, and Caesar was the only SURPREME representative of Jesus on Earth who appointed popes and others all up to 1453 A.D.

It is Germans who usurped Patriarchate of Rome, the religion you are now following.

You are a good german.

[babuk]

Don't be ridiculous...

Guess why did the Italic ruling class were described as hook nosed and different from the rural population? They were a different race a culture. Most Italians didn't even speak Italian but they spoke a mixture of Germanic, Celtic, Semitic, Hellenic languages (that's where most of their roots originated from ex colonies of the Roman empire)

[MinervaItalica]

You call yourself "Germanophobe" yet you are a Catholic...

Did you know that Catholicism (post 6th century) is exclusively Lombard and Frankish in Origin?

Germanophobe serving Germans, how nice.

:confused:

Germans identify more with Protestantism.

[Bosniensis]

:confused:

Germans identify more with Protestantism.

Longobards, Franks, Saxons, Goths, Normans... some of them are Catholics, some of them are Protestants.

Find out what happened after Pope Zachary, find out how Romans have lost authority over Rome in 7th century.

I am historian I know things extremely well. I am not trying to provoke you.

Conclave is purely Germanic, up to 7th century Roman Emperor (Constantinople) used to appoint Pope by his will, but
then Germans interfered.

[MinervaItalica]

Guess why did the Italic ruling class were described as hook nosed and different from the rural population? They were a different race a culture. Most Italians didn't even speak Italian but they spoke a mixture of Germanic, Celtic, Semitic, Hellenic languages (that's where most of their roots originated from ex colonies of the Roman empire)

Your ancestors were slaves of the Romans who served the noble Italic families ;)

[Rethel]

Romans were always Orthodox Christians, and Caesar was the only SURPREME representative of Jesus on Earth who appointed popes and others all up to 1453 A.D.

:picard2:

So who did represent Jesus before 330/90 and after 1453?

[Bosniensis]

:picard2:

So who did represent Jesus before 330/90 and after 1453?

Nobody, Roman Empire was Pagan, Christianity was thriving upon the students of the apostoles. (dark ages)

After 1453: Ecumenal Patriarchate of Constantinople along with other Orthodox national churches (dark ages).

Ottomans (who were turkified greeks and balkaners) later converted to Islam, therefore the most correct answer is that
Romans of today are in divide between Constantian Religion (Orthodoxy) and Islam.

[Kamal900]

The haplogroup is a western Eurasian haplogroup originated in today's Egypt tens of thousands of years ago. The E1b haplogroup in Egyptians and other middle easterners and Europeans share a common ancestry with the E1b haplogroup found in modern day Berbers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FDO0wiRzWY

[Tschaikisten]

E1b1b lineages would have been part and parcel to virtually all Neolithic and subsequent cultures in Europe, if only as a tiny minority in Scandinavia, Northeast Europe and in the Pontic Steppe. Although E1b1b represents the last major migration out of Africa, E1b1b individuals may have been among the first people to have acquired the alleles for fair skin. European hunter-gatherers were still dark skinned as recently as 7000 years ago (Olalde et al. 2014), while the Early Neolithic farmers from the Near East possessed alleles for fair skin found in modern Europeans. Those Neolithic farmers would have included members of haplogroup E-V13 (confirmed) as well as E-M34 (inferred). It is still unclear exactly when and among which haplogroup fair skin arose, but it has been suggested that the new diet brought by cereral agriculture would have caused deficiencies in vitamin D, which was traditionally absorbed from fish and meat among foragers. Mutations for light skin would have been positively selected among Neolithic agriculturalists to stimulate the production of vitamin D from sunlight in order to compensate for the scarcity of meat. So ironically the first white-skinned Europeans may have been farmers partially descended from people recently arrived from Northeast Africa.

who can use the term ham in genetic ?

Actually now there are only 2 E1b Y-dna samples over more than 100 tested from European Neolithic.
E-V13 from neolithic Spain and E-M78 from neolithic Hungary.
Of course G2a is dominant. :P


E, I and J = Roman Empire

Egyptians, Tunisians... and other Phoenecian people have contributed THE MOST to the modern European culture.

Actually Greeks should thank to Phonecian people for everything they have accomplished.
Bosnians and science :pound:
''WE WUZ ROMANZ''http://i.imgur.com/YDTcLCl.jpg

[wvwvw]

Nobody, Roman Empire was Pagan, Christianity was thriving upon the students of the apostoles. (dark ages)

After 1453: Ecumenal Patriarchate of Constantinople along with other Orthodox national churches (dark ages).

Ottomans (who were turkified greeks and balkaners) later converted to Islam, therefore the most correct answer is that
Romans of today are in divide between Constantian Religion (Orthodoxy) and Islam.

Greeks did not convert to Islam they remained Christians.

The Turkish ethnogenesis took place in Eastern Turkey and the Middle East. Turks adopted the Arabic alphabet and the Islamic religion which was already the religion of Persians and other Middle easten populations of Turkey.

The Turks destroyed the Roman Empire because they weren't Romans and Persians had never been part of Byzantium.

[Kriptc06]

Hard to say, if you look at the origin of E, from DE branch, it comes to be either in Asia (Eurasia as you say) or North Africa, and today is very wide spread among the middle East , Europe and speacialy Africa, in its humangous different types of branches.

V13, in case you wonder is E1b1b1a1b1a, distant branch from E1b solely, and that are thousands and thousands of years, its one of many.

[Bosniensis]

Bosnians and science :pound:
''WE WUZ ROMANZ''http://i.imgur.com/YDTcLCl.jpg

Your image proves that I am correct actually.

But why would I explain it to you, cause you are ignorant.

You don't understand the fact that Italy has been Conquered with mass genocides through 5th, 6th centuries.
It's all written in Greek libraries, but go ahead read your Wikipedia.

[MinervaItalica]

Longobards, Franks, Saxons, Goths, Normans... some of them are Catholics, some of them are Protestants.

Find out what happened after Pope Zachary, find out how Romans have lost authority over Rome in 7th century.

I am historian I know things extremely well. I am not trying to provoke you.

Conclave is purely Germanic, up to 7th century Roman Emperor (Constantinople) used to appoint Pope by his will, but
then Germans interfered.

Christianity spread in Europe through the Romans.

Germanic (Stop talking about Germans... there weren't any "Germans" at the time) people adopted Latin as language from the Romans because it was more "civilizated", they used it as official language of the HRE. Latin was the most important language in the Middle Ages.

Lombards (Which were from South Sweden and not from present day Germany) were initially Pagans and then Arians when they reached Italy but during the rule of Queen Theodelinda they became Catholic.

Most popes were from Italy.

Look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Popes_by_nationality

[Bosniensis]

Greeks did not convert to Islam they remained Christians.

The Turkish ethnogenesis took place in Eastern Turkey and the Middle East. Turks adopted the Arabic alphabet and the Islamic religion which was already the religion of Persians and other Middle easten populations of Turkey.

The Turks destroyed the Roman Empire because they weren't Romans and Persians had never been part of Byzantium.

I understand them.

Serbs tried to conquer and destroy Bosniaks for the same reasons Ottomans fought Greeks.

There is more Serbian Royality among the Bosniaks than Orthodox Serbs that's why, Orthodox
Christianity is brought back by Mongolian Russians.

Orthodox Christians will learn in time that they can not align religion with national identity.

[Tschaikisten]

Your image proves that I am correct actually.

But why would I explain it to you, cause you are ignorant.

You don't understand the fact that Italy has been Conquered with mass genocides through 5th, 6th centuries.
It's all written in Greek libraries, but go ahead read your Wikipedia.
Actually you're wrong as hell.
I2-CTS10228 is nothing more than pure Slavic branch, and it's confirmed in science. Only retards like you on forums can not accept fact that they are Slavs.

[MinervaItalica]

Germany is not a true Catholic country, not anymore. Only the Southern part is still Catholic.

True Catholic countries in Europe: Italy, France, Spain, Portugal and Austria.

[Bosniensis]

Christianity spread in Europe through the Romans.

Germanic (Stop talking about Germans... there weren't any "Germans" at the time) people adopted Latin as language from the Romans because it was more "civilizated", they used it as official language of the HRE. Latin was the most important language in the Middle Ages.

Lombards (Which were from South Sweden and not from present day Germany) were initially Pagans and then Arians when they reached Italy but during the rule of Queen Theodelinda they became Catholic.

Most popes were from Italy.

Look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Popes_by_nationality

Please read this brochure:
http://grbs.library.duke.edu/article/download/11101/4231

It's written by saxon, who doesn't understand why have Romans distingushed themselves from Germanic peoples. It's easy to read,
you are smart - you will eventually get it.

It compares Roman Empire with Frankish Empires, culture and many other things.

[Rethel]

True Catholic countries in Europe: Italy, France, Spain, Portugal and Austria.

Is Poland not truely catholic, or is not in Europe? :rolleyes:

[MinervaItalica]

Is Poland not truely catholic, or is not in Europe? :rolleyes:

Yes i forgot that :P

[Kamal900]

Actually you're wrong as hell.
I2-CTS10228 is nothing more than pure Slavic branch, and it's confirmed in science. Only retards like you on forums can not accept fact that they are Slavs.

The question is; why are the Bosniaks the only Slavs in the Slavic world associate themselves to anything but Slavic?

[Bosniensis]

Actually you're wrong as hell.
I2-CTS10228 is nothing more than pure Slavic branch, and it's confirmed in science. Only retards like you on forums can not accept fact that they are Slavs.

Do you understand that Culture moved from Balkans and Italy westwards and eastwards.

Do you understand that Serbs and (Bosniaks (muslims) op.a) were superior in everything to the Rus and other people there.

Our language is TRUE "Slavic" Illyrian language, while Russians have learned it from us just like Germans have learned Latin languages from Romans and Greeks.

[Tschaikisten]

The question is; why are the Bosniaks the only Slavs in the Slavic world associate themselves to anything but Slavic?

Cuz their complex about SerboCroatian preTurkish origins.

[Tschaikisten]

Do you understand that Culture moved from Balkans and Italy westwards and eastwards.

Do you understand that Serbs and (Bosniaks (muslims) op.a) were superior in everything to the Rus and other people there.

Our language is TRUE "Slavic" Illyrian language, while Russians have learned it from us just like Germans have learned Latin languages from Romans and Greeks.
Your diagnosis is hard, it's impossible to discuss with you.

[Bosniensis]

Cuz their complex about SerboCroatian preTurkish origins.

Cause we refuse imposed and false history. Actually I am technically a Serb from Kordun Croatian families and
I've spent a lot of time debunking lies about "Slavic migrations" nothing else. There is nothing bad in being slavic. Slovenians and some people
in Voivodina Serbia are pure slavs.

[Kamal900]

Cuz their complex about SerboCroatian preTurkish origins.

Lol, I find it funny that the Bosniak language is a Serbo-Croatian language, and even my Serbian friends told me that they can understand their Slavic neighbors quite well.

[Bosniensis]

Lol, I find it funny that the Bosniak language is a Serbo-Croatian language, and even my Serbian friends told me that they can understand their Slavic neighbors quite well.

Serbs, Croatians, Dalmatians, Bosnians are either a single large tribe or union of a tribes who gathered around a single religion.
Romans used to call us Illyrians but we never called ourselves like that nor we spoke any Greek/Roman languages in history.

Russians and Albanians are stealing our history by telling us that we "came from them (russians) or in case Albanians they say "we are illyrians"

[Deniz]

Actually you're wrong as hell.
I2-CTS10228 is nothing more than pure Slavic branch, and it's confirmed in science. Only retards like you on forums can not accept fact that they are Slavs.

P37+, CTS410+
M423+, CTS5375+
L621+
CTS10936+
CTS10228+
Z17855+
A1221+

You are in the I-A1221 haplogroup which is one of two known branches below I-Z17855.
What about this branch?

[catgeorge]

These are neo-morphed from old euro haplogroups its why it is so young probably fusion from recent rivals aside from balto-slavs whom i consider old R1a anything less than 3000 year old is fusion of other rivals like tartars, pechenegs, khazars etc

[Petalpusher]

Actually now there are only 2 E1b Y-dna samples over more than 100 tested from European Neolithic.
E-V13 from neolithic Spain and E-M78 from neolithic Hungary.
Of course G2a is dominant. :P



It's fascinating how everybody keep repeating the same wrong thing over and over, E1b has nothing to do with the early neolithic, there was like the same level of E1b than in N.Europe today, and considering something spread all over Europe. E1b likely was brought later in the neolithic or even in the Bronze Age, it's gonna pop up soon or later in some ancient samples but here we are talking about an time era, not a group as in a genetically distinct group.


and were basal eurasians closer to africans or modern west eurasians?

The answer is in your question, Basal Eurasian as in "first eurasians". They are closer to W.Eurasians by large since everything descends from them.

[Tschaikisten]

If someone is interested to read, co-administrator of E-M35 FTDNA Project has wrote a great text about E-V13 haplogroup (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3toPDBv-MLKc04zdEd6MDJlaTQ/view).

[Kriptc06]

If someone is interested to read, co-administrator of E-M35 FTDNA Project has wrote a great text about E-V13 haplogroup (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3toPDBv-MLKc04zdEd6MDJlaTQ/view).

very detailed pdf, I will, thanks

[Sacrificed Ram]

A congolese or a swedish can be E1b, What does it matter? Afrophobia? Even an advanced clade like E1b1b1 (E-M35) have most of its diversity in Africa and is shared by caucasoids and non caucasoids.

Nostalgia when they used "E3a" and "E3b" as nomenclature, was more easy know what they were talking about.

[Kelmendasi]

Serbs, Croatians, Dalmatians, Bosnians are either a single large tribe or union of a tribes who gathered around a single religion.
Romans used to call us Illyrians but we never called ourselves like that nor we spoke any Greek/Roman languages in history.

Russians and Albanians are stealing our history by telling us that we "came from them (russians) or in case Albanians they say "we are illyrians"
Albanians have more of a claim on Illyrians than Bosniaks do by far. South Slavs weren't called Illyrians by Romans they were called Illyrians later on during the 19th century and this was based of pan-nationalistic and geographic ideas, nothing cultural or genetic. your just angry about your pure Slavic I2a-Din Ydna, also why do you dislike being a Slav?

[Kelmendasi]

From Eupedia I2a page: "The I2a1b-L147.2 subclade seems to have expanded very fast from 1900 years ago, which is concordant with the timing of the Slavic ethnogenesis, considering that it takes a few centuries before one man can have enough male descendants to start having an impact at the scale of a population. This I2-L147.2 ancestor would have such an impact on the burgeoning Early Slavic population, still small 2,300 years ago, but booming." "the Slavs moved in the Dinaric Alps and the Balkans." "The higher percentage of I2a-Din in the south is probably just due to another founder effect due to the fact that the South Slavs originated in western Ukraine, where the ratio of I2a to R1a was higher. Virtually all Dinaric I2a falls under the L147.2 branch, and the majority to the S17250 ramification, who descend from a common patrilinear ancestor who lived only 1,800 years ago."

[Dick]

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee447/animarevolution/ANIMA%20GIFTS/animarevolution_HD_gift_animated-animacion-full-colour-funny-lol-best-small-big-byte-mega-hilarious-banned-cat-kitten-surprise-gato-sorprend.gif

[Sacrificed Ram]

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee447/animarevolution/ANIMA%20GIFTS/animarevolution_HD_gift_animated-animacion-full-colour-funny-lol-best-small-big-byte-mega-hilarious-banned-cat-kitten-surprise-gato-sorprend.gif

Reminds my old friend and partner of wine bottles, GRAFITE (RIP).
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/mirk3/grafit_zps7ee23fa4.jpg
I think this cat breed is called "russian blue".

[Ylla]

If someone is interested to read, co-administrator of E-M35 FTDNA Project has wrote a great text about E-V13 haplogroup (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3toPDBv-MLKc04zdEd6MDJlaTQ/view).

Thank you! I will read it all :))

[IncelSlayer]

If someone is interested to read, co-administrator of E-M35 FTDNA Project has wrote a great text about E-V13 haplogroup (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3toPDBv-MLKc04zdEd6MDJlaTQ/view).
Bullshit study.

'Almost all R1a,I2 and I2B in this table is the result of Slavic migrations during the early Middle Ages.


Thank you! I will read it all :))
dont bother,its propaganda unproved study.

[Kelmendasi]

Bullshit study.



dont bother,its propaganda unproved study.
It's not bullshit. Scientists are far smarter than you meaning that they know what they are talking about unlike you that still thinks that I2a-Din is ancient Balkanic. Your also butthurt because it proves that Albanians are ancient Balkanites

[Kazbolat]

so what is the conclusion

[Rethel]

so what is the conclusion

Conclusion is, that E was not pale white and if
you will be E, then you are descendent of Ham.

[Kriptc06]

Conclusion is, that E was not pale white and if
you will be E, then you are descendent of Ham.

the son of Noah?:confused:

[Shah-Jehan]

the son of Noah?:confused:

no, the meat.
http://blog.synchrosecrets.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ham-07-2.jpg

[Kriptc06]

no, the meat.
http://blog.synchrosecrets.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ham-07-2.jpg

thats why im delicious then

[Voskos]

Conclusion is, that E was not pale white and if
you will be E, then you are descendent of Ham.

ye ofc, and then by your logic all R1bs are asian hence descendants of Sham.

[Rethel]

the son of Noah?:confused:

Do you know another who can fit?

[Kriptc06]

Do you know another who can fit?

Nah, its because im not really religious, I just got a little shocked lol, I searched a bit, they say v13 is son of Nimrod, son of Cush, son of Ham, son of Noah XD

[Rethel]

Nah, its because im not really religious, I just got a little shocked lol, I searched a bit, they say v13 is son of Nimrod, son of Cush, son of Ham, son of Noah XD

No, those are idiots, do not
read what freaks are spamming.

V13 these are Kalsluchim or Kaftorim,
from whom are descending Philistines.
Philistines came to Palestina from the
island of Kaftor, Kaftor it is Crete.

Kasluch and Kaftor were sons of Micraim
(Egypt) who was a son of Ham. Even in
the Greek mythology you have the same
motive, that pre-Greek inhabitants were
from Egypt, and of only E in Greece it is
V13, then obviously it has to be this one.

[Kriptc06]

No, those are idiots, do not
read what freaks are spamming.

V13 these are Kalsluchim or Kaftorim,
from whom are descending Philistines.
Philistines came to Palestina from the
island of Kaftor, Kaftor it is Crete.

Kasluch and Kaftor were sons of Micraim
(Egypt) who was a son of Ham. Even in
the Greek mythology you have the same
motive, that pre-Greek inhabitants were
from Egypt, and of only E in Greece it is
V13, then obviously it has to be this one.

correct, http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/iam733_photos/ISRAEL/Middle_East_Shem_Ham_Map.jpg

[Rethel]

correct

Genesis 10

Mizraim became father to Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim,
Pathrusim, Casluhim (from whom the Philistines came), and Caphtorim.

Jeremiah 47

Because the day that is coming will destroy all the Philistines;
It will cut off from Tyre and Sidon every remaining ally.
For Jehovah will destroy the Philistines,
Who are the remaining ones from the island of Caphtor.

You are lucky anyway, that the
names of your forefathers surrvived.

[Kriptc06]

Genesis 10

Mizraim became father to Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim,
Pathrusim, Casluhim (from whom the Philistines came), and Caphtorim.

Jeremiah 47

Because the day that is coming will destroy all the Philistines;
It will cut off from Tyre and Sidon every remaining ally.
For Jehovah will destroy the Philistines,
Who are the remaining ones from the island of Caphtor.

You are lucky anyway, that the
names of your forefathers surrvived.

:o

im not dead yet

So can I apply for Palestinian citizenship?

joking hahah

[Jana]

E1b has near eastern origin.

[Rethel]

:o

im not dead yet

So can I apply for Palestinian citizenship?

joking hahah

It is interesting anyway, how many V13 is among them. Have you data?

[Kriptc06]

It is interesting anyway, how many V13 is among them. Have you data?

Not as much as in Albania, but there are some in there

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-V13.gif

There are although, other E clades in there.

[Rethel]

edit

20% for whole.
Minus 10-12 for M123 it will be less than 8%.

[Kriptc06]

20% for whole.
Minus 10-12 for M123 it will be less than 8%.

according to the map I posted, around 1 to 5%

[Sacrificed Ram]

according to the map I posted, around 1 to 5%

Cara, com seus 15% de SSA e E1b como haplogrupo você já pode arriscar uma cota pra afro-descendente.

[Kriptc06]

Cara, com seus 15% de SSA e E1b como haplogrupo você já pode arriscar uma cota pra afro-descendente.

Nao posso, e Sao 11%

[Sacrificed Ram]

Nao posso, e Sao 11%

Ser E1b é como se o seu pai fosse negão.

[Kriptc06]

Ser E1b é como se o seu pai fosse negão.

meu filho, E-V13 ta a mais de 4000 anos na Europa xD se tivesse negão ja perdeu-se o link autosomico faz hora

[Sacrificed Ram]

meu filho, E-V13 ta a mais de 4000 anos na Europa xD se tivesse negão ja perdeu-se o link autosomico faz hora

Porra, tem a vantagem do tamanho da piroca!

[Kriptc06]

Porra, tem a vantagem do tamanho da piroca!

xD se essa caracteristica ficar só no chromo Y tô feito

[Tschaikisten]

New study!
The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
I3151 4000-3600 BCE Trypillia E
I3948 5600-5470 BCE Balkans_Neolithic E1b1b1a1b1 (L618+) (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L618/)

[Voskos]

south european.

[Dasbootu96]

European, white , and tall [emoji106][emoji2533]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/a8b6a130659886bcbd37936ca9e107da.jpg


Fabrice ev-13 belgium

[Antimatter]

There are some European-mainly branches of E1b like E-V13 that entered Europe circa 7000/5000 BC via the Balkans from Anatolia.

Some West African-mainly branches of E1b such as E-V38 the one associated with spread of Bantu languages and agriculture across Central and Southern Africa circa 2000 BC. Interestingly a 14,000 years old sample in Iran was predicted E1b1a, very interesting honestly. Found in many Samples across Europe.

Some Levantine branches of E1b such E-Z830 the one associated with Natufian culture, you can call it "proto-Civilization". Found in samples as old as 13,250 years in the Levant.

Some Northwest African branches of E1b such as E-M81.


Now the dominant European branch E-V13 coems from E-M78, the Egyptic type.

[Leto]

European, white , and tall [emoji106][emoji2533]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/a8b6a130659886bcbd37936ca9e107da.jpg


Fabrice ev-13 belgium
Are you a Flemish nibba?

[Kriptc06]

Cara, com seus 15% de SSA e E1b como haplogrupo você já pode arriscar uma cota pra afro-descendente.

sim, preciso, com + 12% indigena posso me afirmar pardo e dominar o mundo com as cotas

[indo-uralopean]

European, white , and tall [emoji106][emoji2533]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/a8b6a130659886bcbd37936ca9e107da.jpg


Fabrice ev-13 belgium

Looks eurasian, there's some E in Siberia. Maybe you came from there.

[Voskos]

Sudanic-nubian in origin therefore proto-natufian most likely. It is the major balkanic haplogroup .

[Sacrificed Ram]

sim, preciso, com + 12% indigena posso me afirmar pardo e dominar o mundo com as cotas

Agora é Bolsonaro! Acabou a farra das cotas.

[Kriptc06]

Agora é Bolsonaro! Acabou a farra das cotas.

OK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0eVUQ7J4LY&t=4s

[Ryuk]

Southwest Eurasia most accurate origin I think

[Caballero]

It's neither Sub Saharan African neither West Eurasian.

They were a race completely on their own. Ancestral North Africans. I guess before mixing with Proto-Mediterranean Basal Eurasians they were Mechtoid-like. Taller and more robust.

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

Well Natufians were E1b carriers and they were closer to Basal Eurasians. Haplogroup E was dominant in SW Asia before CHG related Haplogroup J fucked them all in Bronze Age

Natufians were half basal Eurasian and half Unknown Hunter Gatherer that is believed to be distantly related to WHG. Haplogroup E in my opinion comes from an even more ancient source, ancestral North African, but little is known about this group, how they looked, culture, ect...

[Rethel]

E = Hamites. Period.

[Hamilcar]

E = Hamites. Period.

"hamite" has no scientific value

[Cleitus]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdayxmZplBcSNj0ieB51ZV0gq4ciHGj 3zc9A&usqp=CAU

Because Neanderthals evolved outside of Africa, scientists assumed their DNA would not show up in the genomes of modern African populations. Previous studies have found only about 0.02 percent of Neanderthal DNA in modern African genomes.

However, new research published last week inCellturns that assumption on its head with a groundbreaking new finding: People with African ancestry actually have close to 0.5 percent Neanderthal DNA in their genome.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/new-research-expands-neanderthals-genetic-legacy-modern-humans-180974099/#.XjntfV-10Ac.twitter


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[Rethel]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000472759639/15cd9e0b3a030b54aa44657439f6fa92_400x400.jpeg

[Miko]

Well Natufians were E1b carriers and they were closer to Basal Eurasians. Haplogroup E was dominant in SW Asia before CHG related Haplogroup J fucked them all in Bronze Age

Haplogroup E was already fucked by G and T before J (Mesopotamians) conquered Egypt and the Levant.

[Miko]

Haplogroup E comes from CT
As opposed to being closer to B or A.

So Eurasian originally.