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Yggdrasil
05-04-2017, 08:30 PM
Abstract of the paper:


The Bell Beaker Complex (BBC) was the first widely distributed archaeological phenomenon of western Europe, arising after 2800 BCE probably in Iberia and spreading to the north and east before disappearing at the latest by 1800 BCE. An open question is the extent to which the cultural elements associated with the BBC spread through movement of ideas or people. We present new genome-wide DNA data from 196 Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans – the largest report of genome-wide data in a single study to date – and merge it with published data to form a dataset with 109 BBC individuals that provides a genomic characterization of the BBC across its geographic and temporal range. In contrast to people of the Corded Ware Complex who were partly contemporaries of the BBC in central and eastern Europe and who brought steppe ancestry into central Europe through mass migration and replacement of local populations, we show that the initial spread of the BBC into central Europe from the Iberian Peninsula was not mediated by a large-scale migration but rather through communication of ideas. However, the further spread of the BBC beyond central Europe did involve mass movement of people. Focusing on Britain, which includes 81 of our new samples in a time transect from 3900-1300 BCE, we show that the arrival of the BBC around 2400 BCE was mediated by migration from the continent: British individuals associated with Beakers are genetically indistinguishable from continental individuals associated with the same material culture and genetically nearly completely discontinuous with the previously resident population. Such discontinuity persists through to samples from the Bronze Age, documenting a demographic turnover at the onset of the Bronze Age that was crucial to understand the formation of the present-day British gene pool. The arrival of the BBC in Britain can thus be viewed as the western continuation of the massive movement of people that brought the Corded Ware Complex and steppe ancestry into central Europe a few hundred years before.
https://www.sfb1266.uni-kiel.de/de/veranstaltungen/tagungen-workshops/archeologie-et-gobelets-1/abstracts

Deymark
05-04-2017, 08:32 PM
The arrival of the BBC in Britain[...]


It gets funnier the more I read it

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Yggdrasil
05-04-2017, 08:33 PM
It gets funnier the more I read it

https://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1188/11888561/2358350-5525538899-Maury.gif

Yeah :laugh:

Dick
05-04-2017, 08:34 PM
They will probably be similar to czechs.

Ülev
05-04-2017, 08:35 PM
yes, http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?209508-BBC-Behemoth-a-genetic-characterization-of-109-BBC-individuals

Yggdrasil
05-04-2017, 08:38 PM
They will probably be similar to czechs.

The british samples?

Yggdrasil
05-04-2017, 08:42 PM
yes, http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?209508-BBC-Behemoth-a-genetic-characterization-of-109-BBC-individuals

I'm so mad right now :laugh:
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Dick
05-04-2017, 08:44 PM
The british samples?

I'm not 100% sure but i think one the iron age celt samples from Britain was similar to Czechs. these are ancient populations.

Yggdrasil
05-04-2017, 08:49 PM
I'm not 100% sure but i think one the iron age celt samples from Britain was similar to Czechs. these are ancient populations.

Well that's certainly interesting. I thought the Welsh were the closest to iron age Britons?

Dick
05-04-2017, 08:53 PM
Well that's certainly interesting. I thought the Welsh were the closest to iron age Britons?

iron age celts were from central europe and czechs are central european. bellbeakers came from present day czech, germany, holland and iberia(maritime BBC) so they werent as uniform as the iron age celts but we'll see.

XenophobicPrussian
05-04-2017, 08:56 PM
Well that's certainly interesting. I thought the Welsh were the closest to iron age Britons?
The Irish(well, maybe Welsh, there's usually no Welsh sample in genetic analysis though) for the Britons, Norwegians/Danish/North Dutch for the Hinxton Anglo-Saxons.

You can find analysis on the Hinxton genomes here: http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2014/10/analysis-of-hinxton2-ers389796.html

Most(some were Polish like but those were just Corded Ware/Unetice living among the Bell Beakers) Bell Beakers are also closest to NW Euros, Corded Ware, Indo-Iranians(Andronovo/Sintashta/Srubna) are the ones closest to Eastern Euros.

Don't mind Dick, he's had a bit too much to drink.

Dick
05-04-2017, 08:59 PM
The Irish(well, maybe Welsh, there's usually no Welsh sample in genetic analysis though) for the Britons, Norwegians/Danish/North Dutch for the Hinxton Anglo-Saxons.

You can find analysis on the Hinxton genomes here: http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2014/10/analysis-of-hinxton2-ers389796.html

Most(some were Polish like but those were just Corded Ware/Unetice living among the Bell Beakers) Bell Beakers are also closest to NW Euros, Corded Ware, Indo-Iranians(Andronovo/Sintashta/Srubna) are the ones closest to Eastern Euros.

Don't mind Dick, he's had a bit too much to drink.

Grace O'mally posted an iron age briton sample from gedmatch at it came out closest to Czech from what I recall.

LoLeL
05-04-2017, 09:01 PM
yes, http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?209508-BBC-Behemoth-a-genetic-characterization-of-109-BBC-individuals


I'm so mad right now :laugh:
https://m.popkey.co/467207/w61N5.gif

Always expect this when you post something on TA:
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Rethel
05-04-2017, 09:01 PM
That theme allready exists. Litvin made a thread this morning.

justme
09-29-2017, 06:33 PM
Grace O'mally posted an iron age briton sample from gedmatch at it came out closest to Czech from what I recall.
Czechs are Slavicized Germanics

Coastal Elite
02-21-2019, 02:53 AM
Oh mama! So did the results ever come?