View Full Version : How much Greek ancestry exists in Turkey, southern Italy, Cyprus, Pontics, and the Aegean islands?
Sikeliot
05-10-2017, 07:45 PM
Let me be clear: I mean how much replacement by Greeks from the Greek MAINLAND of the people of Cyprus, southern Italy, and so on occurred versus the native people in those areas just being Hellenized?
Bobby Martnen
03-01-2018, 04:34 PM
Let me be clear: I mean how much replacement by Greeks from the Greek MAINLAND of the people of Cyprus, southern Italy, and so on occurred versus the native people in those areas just being Hellenized?
Sorry for the late reply/bump
I doubt that there is much in Turks, given that they cluster somewhat east of other West Asians, which is consistent with them being about 80% West Asian and 20% Central Asian.
gültekin
03-01-2018, 04:41 PM
Sorry for the late reply/bump
I doubt that there is much in Turks, given that they cluster somewhat east of other West Asians, which is consistent with them being about 80% West Asian and 20% Central Asian.
%50 central asian, %5-17 east asian
Tauromachos
03-01-2018, 04:44 PM
As for Sicily Triandifilidis gives 32%
And he says that East Sicily has the most Greek ancestry.
Profileid
03-01-2018, 04:45 PM
%50 central asian, %5-17 east asian
Not even close.
gültekin
03-01-2018, 05:35 PM
Not even close.
you farting to the wrong guy
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.74
2 South_Central_Asian 13.04
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.97
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.19
5 Near_East 9.8
6 Tungus-Altaic 4.38
7 South_East_Asian 2.83
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.7
9 East_Siberian 1.88
10 Austronesian 1.8
11 Arctic 1.51
12 East_African 1.4
13 Australoid 1.06
14 South_Indian 1
15 Amerindian 0.34
16 North_African 0.24
17 Archaic_African 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk_Aydin ( ) 8.22
2 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 8.41
3 Turk_Adana ( ) 11.33
4 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 12.66
5 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 12.98
6 Turk ( ) 13.75
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.7% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 16.3% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 4.15
2 78.9% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 21.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 4.44
3 69.2% Turk_Adana ( ) + 30.8% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 4.49
4 62.1% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 37.9% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 4.52
5 82.7% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 17.3% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 4.61
6 71.9% Turk_Adana ( ) + 28.1% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 4.68
7 54.5% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) + 45.5% Austrian ( ) @ 4.7
8 67.9% Turk_Adana ( ) + 32.1% German ( ) @ 4.72
9 56% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) + 44% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 4.43
10 86.3% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 13.7% Uygur-Han ( ) @ 4.73
11 63.4% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 36.6% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 4.74
12 79.8% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 20.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 4.74
13 73.3% Turk_Adana ( ) + 26.7% Finn_West ( ) @ 4.77
14 66.6% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 33.4% Finn_West ( ) @ 4.81
15 62.2% Azov_Greek ( ) + 37.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 4.82
16 84.7% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 15.3% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 4.84
17 87% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 13% Uygur ( ) @ 4.88
18 84% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 16% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) @ 4.88
19 54.5% Cypriot ( ) + 45.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 4.9
20 70.6% Turk_Adana ( ) + 29.4% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 4.9
Profileid
03-01-2018, 05:55 PM
you farting to the wrong guy
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.74
2 South_Central_Asian 13.04
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.97
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.19
5 Near_East 9.8
6 Tungus-Altaic 4.38
7 South_East_Asian 2.83
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.7
9 East_Siberian 1.88
10 Austronesian 1.8
11 Arctic 1.51
12 East_African 1.4
13 Australoid 1.06
14 South_Indian 1
15 Amerindian 0.34
16 North_African 0.24
17 Archaic_African 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk_Aydin ( ) 8.22
2 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 8.41
3 Turk_Adana ( ) 11.33
4 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 12.66
5 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 12.98
6 Turk ( ) 13.75
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.7% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 16.3% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 4.15
2 78.9% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 21.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 4.44
3 69.2% Turk_Adana ( ) + 30.8% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 4.49
4 62.1% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 37.9% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 4.52
5 82.7% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 17.3% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 4.61
6 71.9% Turk_Adana ( ) + 28.1% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 4.68
7 54.5% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) + 45.5% Austrian ( ) @ 4.7
8 67.9% Turk_Adana ( ) + 32.1% German ( ) @ 4.72
9 56% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) + 44% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 4.43
10 86.3% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 13.7% Uygur-Han ( ) @ 4.73
11 63.4% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 36.6% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 4.74
12 79.8% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 20.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 4.74
13 73.3% Turk_Adana ( ) + 26.7% Finn_West ( ) @ 4.77
14 66.6% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 33.4% Finn_West ( ) @ 4.81
15 62.2% Azov_Greek ( ) + 37.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 4.82
16 84.7% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 15.3% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 4.84
17 87% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 13% Uygur ( ) @ 4.88
18 84% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 16% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) @ 4.88
19 54.5% Cypriot ( ) + 45.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 4.9
20 70.6% Turk_Adana ( ) + 29.4% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 4.9
wow one sample you sure convinced me bud
Sikeliot
03-01-2018, 09:58 PM
As for Sicily Triandifilidis gives 32%
And he says that East Sicily has the most Greek ancestry.
Which region did he say had most? Syracuse? Or did he just divide Sicily into east/west?
What did he say for western Sicily?
Tauromachos
03-01-2018, 10:06 PM
Which region did he say had most? Syracuse? Or did he just divide Sicily into east/west?
What did he say for western Sicily?
I have to find the book and look at it again for details.
He said that Western Sicily is different to Eastern and explained it with the fact of Phoenician presence.
Whereas he said in the Eastern parts that were heavily colonized by Greeks this shows up in their genetic profile compared
to other parts of the Island.
But i think he mentioned that Inland parts have reasonable Greek ancestry as well.
In particular he focused on the Greek ancestry in Sicilian males.
brennus dux gallorum
03-01-2018, 10:09 PM
In the Aegean, depending on which island, it can be from 50 to 100%.
In the rest I guess 10%-40%
brennus dux gallorum
03-01-2018, 10:12 PM
%50 central asian, %5-17 east asian
???
Don't you score nearly 60% the area from caucasus to near east?
Astarte
03-01-2018, 10:22 PM
(edited due to irrelevance)
Hylates
03-02-2018, 03:41 PM
As for Sicily Triandifilidis gives 32%
And he says that East Sicily has the most Greek ancestry.
Cybernautic , Do Greek Cypriots have any genetic connections with the Greeks according to Triandafilidis ? Is Cyprus more like Western Sicily ? Since there was Phoenician present on the island .
Tauromachos
03-02-2018, 03:46 PM
Cybernautic , Do Greek Cypriots have any genetic connections with the Greeks according to Triandafilidis ? Is Cyprus more like Western Sicily ? Since there was Phoenician present on the island .
Triandafilidis says they are related if not even predominantly Greek
Greek Cypriots are along with Italians,Greeks and Albanians the closest genetic relatives to ancient Mycanaeans
https://englianos.wordpress.com/2017/08/02/on-genetics-and-the-aegean-bronze-age/
On a final note, I kept thinking while reading this article that many Greeks will certainly welcome the conclusion that the modern populations most similar to the Mycenaeans are Greeks, Cypriots, Italians, and Albanians.
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