Incan bones found in Østfold

[The Lawspeaker]

Incan bones found in Østfold (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1856505.ece)
Archeologists in Sarpsborg have found one thousand year old skeletal remains that appear to be Incan.

The skeletal remains were found during conservations work at St. Nicolas church in Sarpsborg, a city 73 kilometers (45 miles) southeast of Oslo, NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting) reports.

When archeologists were to move some rose bushes they made the surprising discovery of the remains of two older men and a baby.
"When we were about to take hold under the rose bush the skeletal remains slid out. It was quite surprising," Mona Beate Buckholm, archeologist at the Borgarsyssel Museum, told NRK.

One of the skulls had characteristics that indicate he was an Inca, the South American people centered in Peru.

"There is a bone in the neck that hasn't grown and this is an inherited characteristic only found among Inca Indians in Peru. This is sensational," Buckholm said.

The archeologists now plan to try and find out what the man was doing in Østfold, and how he came there.





Thanks for the link, Pallantides. I am completely baffled as to what could be going on here and the principal thought in my mind is a "Hva faen ?" (What the fuck ?)

[Äike]

Now we know how Y-DNA haplogroup Q ended up in Norway.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG/800px-Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

[Pallantides]

There have not been much news around this case since 2007, but if he truly is Amerindian it's quite a sensation, but he could also just be a "special" person or it's an archaic trait that have survived independently, I won't jump to conclusions just yet.

[The Lawspeaker]

"Indianerskjelett" funnet i Østfold (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostfold/1.2796808)

http://gfx.nrk.no/xZ01cZgI876IOEHljqHrrwxJ6Nl4xhr0Wce976XClK6g.jpg
For første gang har skjelettrester med samme trekk som inkaindianerne fra 1000-tallet, blitt funnet i Norge.

Funnet ble gjort ved Østfoldmuseets avdeling på Borgarsyssel i Sarpsborg. Nå er arkeologene svært nysgjerrige på hvem mannen var.


- Det raste ut skjelettrester
Skjelettrestene ble funnet ved en tilfeldighet under arbeidet med konserveringen av St.Nicolas-kirken.

Da arkeologene skulle flytte noen rosebusker ved tårnfoten som sto i veien for murverket, fikk de seg en stor overraskelse.

- Idet vi da skulle ta under rosebusken, så bare raste det ut skjelettrester. Det var ganske overraskende, sier arkeolog ved Borgarsyssel Museum, Mona Beate Buckholm.

Under rosebuskene lå benrester fra to eldre menn og en baby.


http://gfx.nrk.no/phH3orGAo8Ptj5RKWywU5Qtz5GELktpN67QmHTjUV1ng.jpg
Skjelettrestene ble funnet under en rosebusk ved Borgarsyssel Museum.


Vil grave etter flere benrester

Det ene kraniet som ble funnet har fått arkeologene til å klø seg i hodet av forundring. Skjelettrestene hadde et nemlig et sjeldent særtrekk som er mest vanlig blant inka-indianere.

- Det er et ben i nakken som ikke har grodd, og det er et arvelig trekk som nesten utelukkende finnes hos inka-indianerne i Peru. Det er sensasjonelt, sier Buckholm.


Men kan en indianer fra Peru ha forvillet seg til Sarpsborg for 1000 år siden?

- Jeg kunne jo hatt lyst til å dra det dithen at det var en tilreisende som kom hit, siden St.Nicolas er sjøfarernes helgen. Men det er vanskelig å se hvordan en indianer kan ha kommet seg hit i sen vikingtidsalder, så det er nok mest sannsynlig at dette bare var en traust østfolding. Men dette er et veldig spesielt funn, sier Mona Beate Buckholm

[Pallantides]

I guess it's possible that the Vikings brought thralls with them from America
http://www.bitsofnews.com/images/graphics/viking_voyages_map_large.png

[lei.talk]

sailors understand things in the real world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl#Heyerdahl.27s_theory_of_Polynesian_ origins)
that linguists and other specialists do not.for thousands of years,
sailors routinely traveled the world
on these ocean-currents (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Ocean_currents_1943_%28borderless%293.png).

regularly, during that time, many accidentally travelled (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Cousin_(navigator))
from the coast of west africa
to the eastern coast of south america.

returning is - almost - as easy.




http://i42.tinypic.com/2yzin85.jpg (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200215#post200215)

[Lábaru]

There have not been much news around this case since 2007, but if he truly is Amerindian it's quite a sensation, but he could also just be a "special" person or it's an archaic trait that have survived independently, I won't jump to conclusions just yet.

That they use the word "Inca" speaks of the manipulated and sensationalized of the story.

[Pallantides]

http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/2007/06/no_that_norwegian_guy_was_not.php


There's a newsbit doing the rounds of international summer-starved media about a funny cranium found at St. Nicholas' church in Sarpsborg, Norway during excavations headed by Mona Beate Buckholm of Østfoldmuseet. The cranium belonged to a batch of bones surfacing when some rose bushes were moved. Radiocarbon dates them to most likely the 11th century AD. The find is touted as having "the same genetic marks as the Inca people of Latin America". This is an oversimplification.

Here's what it's all about, and I translate from the Norwegian:

"One of the men had a cranium with a split neck bone, a so-called 'Inca bone'. That is, he was the bearer of a rare hereditary trait where the seam between the two points called asterion in the rear of the neck does not ossify and close during foetal development in the usual way. In people with an Inca bone, this seam remains visible throughout their lives. This trait almost exclusively occurs in South American Indians, and is most common in Peru."
"Almost exclusively". "Most common". As there are no South American artefacts from the site, the most parsimonious view is that the find demonstrates the existence of this trait among 11th century Norwegians as well.

[Troll's Puzzle]

so called 'Inca Bones' are not exclusive to Inca.
There is a drawing of Inca bones on pg. 503 of coon's 'Origin of Races' with the following text:


The Last Interglacial skull of Saccopastore 1 is notable for two things: its almost circular profile when seen from behind or in front, and its Inca bones. An Inca bone is an extra piece of skull vault, seperated from the others by sutures, and lying in the area of lambda, the meeting place between the two parietal bones and the occipital bone. Inca bones are so called because they are common in ancient Andean skulls. They are found principally in Mongoloid crania, in both the Old an New Worlds. The skull of Saccopastore 1, a Caucasoid Italian of the Last Interglacial, has sixteen Inca bones, possibly a world's record... Later on, Inca bones were also characteristic of Neanderthal skulls

He says 'later on' as he was advocating his multiregional theory and classifying 500,000+ yr old skull fragments as 'caucasoid' at this point in time. Saccopastore is today classified as a Neanderthal skull.

so-called 'inca bones' are present everywhere. Diagram of the trait and graph of global population frequencies from a modern (2001) paper by japanese anthropologists.

Case closed? :)

[Troll's Puzzle]

actually, it turns out the same authors I got the above from did a whole paper which is available for free with lots of nice pictures and graphs (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1468202/pdf/joa_1982_0137.pdf) all about the 'inca bone'. Looks like they were using different criterea as they get different results, but the bottom line is still that it occurs everywhere (just most common in mongoloids (~4-7%)... then africans (~2.5-5%)... then caucasoids (~2%) ;) )