Two tribes. Which one you prefer ?

[Danny321]

The story about two Lithuanian tribes. Which tribe do you like more?
Lithuanian Highlanders and Minor Lithuanians.
Map
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Etnoregionai.png

First tribe
Aukstaiciai (Highlander tribe), is Lithuanian tribe inhabiting Central and Northeastern parts of Lithuania. My ancestry is from there. It's the biggest Lithuanian tribe.
Their homeland
http://ebus.lt/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/kavarske2.jpg
http://media.bernardinai.lt/600x420/9ec8629e8d864a71aeebc8b34709787ffd3532ac.jpg
http://www.ve.lt/uploads/img/catalog/1/700/650/22-eji-dvieju-lietuvu-metai-kada-pasiekta-daugiau1.jpg
http://geografija.lt/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/smetonin%C4%97-policija.jpg
http://tarpukaris.autc.lt/Search/Gallery?id=949&filename=4b6db836-21b8-43ec-b568-681a34601a76&modified=10%2F05%2F2014%2019%3A31%3A57
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Lithuanian_cadets_near_War_school_in_Kaunas_1938.j pg/500px-Lithuanian_cadets_near_War_school_in_Kaunas_1938.j pg

Outfits
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/llkostiumas-101211085636-phpapp01/95/lietuvi-tautiniai-rbai-4-728.jpg?w=240
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sgs2vQxBV0Y/UAxUJ7Eq0YI/AAAAAAAAAC8/iZpVPW4HTAE/s1600/auksztota.jpg
http://www.gojus.net/uploads/5/4/9/6/549689/1623194_orig.jpg
http://www.clevelandpeople.com/images/events/2016/icc-win-party/lithuanian-3.jpg
http://g2.dcdn.lt/images/pix/tk-65169953.jpg
https://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?f=4&id=2399737&s=20
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PdDDBddxpc4/VqdE6sRslFI/AAAAAAAATRo/e__yN4kDR-c/s1600/auk%25C5%25A1tai%25C4%258Di%25C5%25B3%2Btautiniai% 2Br%25C5%25ABbai%2Bdrabu%25C5%25BEiai.jpg
http://www.clevelandpeople.com/images/lithuanian/2012/laborday/svytorys-lithuanian-9.jpg
http://www.clevelandpeople.com/images/events/2016/icc-win-party/lithuanian2.jpg

[Danny321]

Second tribe
Minor Lithuanians (Prussian Lithuanians) - seaside Lithuanians, currently inhabiting areas near the Baltic coast. Their main areas were in Central and Northern-Eastern Prussia. During WW2 almost all of their population was killed or displaced. Most of the buildings were demolished. The name of the whole area was changed from Prussia to Kaliningrad. Currently the region belongs to Russia, there aren't any older inhabitants left.

Their homeland
http://www.castlesofpoland.com/prusy/postcard/tilsit025.jpg
https://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Tilsit_Bruecke.jpg
https://s2.15min.lt/images/photos/616321/original/antanas-snieckus-nenorejo-visos-karaliauciaus-srities-bet-apie-tilzes-prijungima-prie-lietuvos-jis-p-51cda09e4ce01.jpg
http://wiki-commons.genealogy.net/images/thumb/f/fb/K%C3%B6nigsberg_Georgenhospital.jpg/350px-K%C3%B6nigsberg_Georgenhospital.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3129/2926585504_a3a0fa8b09_b.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f2/1b/1a/f21b1ac5398fbe453ef37d065dc3d879.jpg
Outfits
http://www.15min.lt/images/photos/616150/original/nuotrauka-is-knygos-prusu-lietuvis-523ad6a4a94fe.jpg
http://www.ve.lt/uploads/img/catalog/1/1155/897/lietuvininkes-portretas-ori-pamaldi-ir-savarankiska.jpg
http://biblioteka.w3.lt/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/pe11-3_.jpg
http://www.vdu.lt/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Alvydas-Vaitkevicius_Mazoji-Lietuva.jpg
http://bilotaite.lt/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/agne-bilotaite-tautinis-kostiumas-3-1.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZIYZYMyAXRE/VqdHGbUxGKI/AAAAAAAATS4/R8EFS2M0xQI/s1600/klaip%25C4%2597dos%2Bkra%25C5%25A1to%2Btautiniai%2 Br%25C5%25ABbai.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n2gI3YnvNwM/VqdHCXMf7EI/AAAAAAAATSw/-0J4RTHFkI8/s1600/Klaip%25C4%2597dos%2Bkra%25C5%25A1to%2Bma%25C5%25B Eosios%2Blietuvos%2Btautiniai%2Br%25C5%25ABbai.jpg
http://ramyte.lt/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/WY5A8193.jpg
http://baltica.llkc.lt/baltica/m/m_images/wfiles/iiqzf1433.jpg

[Dick]

what are the colors on your flag supposed to represent?

[Danny321]

what are the colors on your flag supposed to represent?
Yellow represents sun
Green - Lithuanian grasslands
Red - Lithuanian blood. Throughout centuries Lithuania fought many wars, with different powers.
Lithuanians vs Catholic Church
Lithuanians vs Russians
Lithuanians vs Poles
Lithuanians vs Germans
Lithuanians vs Swedes
Lithuanians vs Golden Horde (Islamic)

[Danny321]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W5MWCIaABrg/maxresdefault.jpg

[Danny321]

Prussian/Minor Lithuanian temple
http://alkas.lt/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Prusu-Romuva-Kristoforas-Hartknochas-1684-1024x930.jpg
Pagan Gods and language signs
http://alkas.lt/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Prusu-dievu-trejybu-Patolas-Perk%C5%ABnas-Patrimpas-S.Grunau-XVI-a-e1294088798299.jpg

[Rumata]

The name of the whole area was changed from Prussia to Kaliningrad. Currently the region belongs to Russia, there aren't any older inhabitants left.
From what I see on the map, Kaliningrad region takes about 2/3 of former Lithuania Minor land while the rest is taken by Klaipeda region of Lithuania and Poland.

Some key differences of the two tribes as I see it, correct me if I'm wrong.

Loyalty to the German state.
Lithuanian Higlanders - No. Prussian Lithuanians - Yes.

Christian confession.
Lithuanian Higlanders - Catholics. Prussian Lithuanians - Mostly Lutheran-Protestants.

Statehood.
Lithuanian Higlanders - A sovereign state. Prussian Lithuanians - Mostly live in Germany.

Total population.
Lithuanian Higlanders - Ca 4 millions. Prussian Lithuanians - Unknown, dwindling.

No preference made so far.

[Rethel]

What's the point? :confused:

p.s. these are not tribes.

[Danny321]

What's the point? :confused:

p.s. these are not tribes.
So what are they? :D
https://latvianhistory.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/549px-baltic_tribes_c_1200-svg.png

[Rethel]

So what are they? :D

Ethnographic entities.

Btw, when on your map is a tribe Smallithuanians?
If you are giving an argument, then at least let it be on the topic... :picard2:

[Mikula]

Show me some examples of traditional folk music of both ones, and I will make my decision :)

[Danny321]

From what I see on the map, Kaliningrad region takes about 2/3 of former Lithuania Minor land while the rest is taken by Klaipeda region of Lithuania and Poland.

Some key differences of the two tribes as I see it, correct me if I'm wrong.

Loyalty to the German state.
Lithuanian Higlanders - No. Prussian Lithuanians - Yes.
:thumb001:



Christian confession.
Lithuanian Higlanders - Catholics. Prussian Lithuanians - Mostly Lutheran-Protestants.
:thumb001:


Statehood.
Lithuanian Higlanders - A sovereign state. Prussian Lithuanians - Mostly live in Germany.
Lithuanian Higlanders is the biggest Lithuanian tribe and major one forming the present state of Lithuania.
Most of Prussian Lithuanians used to live in Prussia and Klaipeda region (Or Memel) before the WW2. There are quite some Prussian Lithuanians left in the coastal areas of present day Lithuania.
Prussian Lithuanians always had some autonomy under the German rule. During the Russian occupation of major Lithuania (1795-1918) when Lithuanian press was prohibited by Russian Tzar , Lithuanian books and newspapers ect were being printed all over Prussia and secretly brought to major Lithuania.


Total population.
Lithuanian Higlanders - Ca 4 millions. Prussian Lithuanians - Unknown, dwindling.
Hey, there are more Lithuanian tribes than just these two. These two were the biggest.
Up to early 18th century Prussian Lithuanians used to constitute majority of Prussia's population. At around 1708, a plague struck and 50%+ of population died. Many towns and villages were abandoned. In some time thousands of German colonists settled in those areas. Since then Prussian Lithuanians became a minority in Prussia and declined steadily.

Quote:
Plague of 1709-11 and the aftermaths
There were not less than 700,000 persons in East Prussia, up to 300,000 of them resided in the Lithuanian Province and the Labguva district prior to the plague of 1709-11. About 160,000 Lithuanians died in Lithuanian Province and Labguva district, which was 53 percent of the population of the latter area. About 110,000 people died in the other areas of East Prussia, which overall lost about 39 percent of its population during the plague.

Another quote:
Germanization
The process of Germanization of other ethnic groups was complex. It included direct and indirect Germanization. Old Prussians were discriminated against after they were conquered, though Old Prussian nobility was not. They were not allowed to live in towns and were only allowed to farm. The situation of Prussian Lithuanians was presumably similar in earlier times. Prussian Lithuanians paid higher taxes and usually had no personal freedom and no law of succession to their plots. The high taxation was the cause of the bad economical situation of Lithuanians and the consequent high death rate of East Prussia during the plague of 1709-11. There were about 9 thousand farms left empty after the plague and the colonization called the Great started. Its final stage was 1736-56. Germans were preferred by the government to newly inhabit the vacant farms. Thus, the percentage of Germans increased to 13.4 percent in the villages of Lithuanian Province. By 1800, most Prussian-Lithuanians were literate and bilingual in Lithuanian and German. There was no forced Germanization prior to 1873. After unification of Germany, so called Germanisation by Lithuanians, but not by Lietuvininkai themselves, included the installation of the German language in schools - a usual practice in all states. The Germanization process accelerated in the second half of the 19th century, when German was made compulsory in the education system at all levels, although newspapers and books were freely published and church services in the Lithuanian language were held even during Nazi times. ''

[Danny321]

Show me some examples of traditional folk music of both ones, and I will make my decision :)

An old Lyrical Prussian (Minor Lithuanian) song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DabSSAOOvnw

Highland Lithuanian traditional polyphonic song



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H3GC3YCqpA

:):):)

[Rumata]

There are quite some Prussian Lithuanians left in the coastal areas of present day Lithuania.
Are their numbers known?


Hey, there are more Lithuanian tribes than just these two. These two were the biggest.
I thought you'd generalised all-non-Prussian tribes as 'highlanders'. My bad.

[Mikula]

An old Lyrical Prussian (Minor Lithuanian) song



Highland Lithuanian traditional polyphonic song




:):):)

I like both of ones :)

[Rethel]

I like both of ones :)

Żmudy are better. They grow snakes at homes :p

[Mikula]

Żmudy are better. They grow snakes at homes :p

Thats a pity that we have to chose between 2 tribes, not between 3 tribes :)

[Dandelion]

It's hard to pick one if you don't know much about Lithuanians. ;)

This old man is a badass, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GykNnWRfW1w

[Rumata]

Well, although to me Highland Lithuanian traditional polyphonic song sounds way more pleasant than the Prussian Lithuanian song, I think it's very difficult to build a solid opinion on a whole subgroup of a people via the Internet.

This young drunkard has ones of the most funny coordination problems I've ever seen :lol: Another funny thing is both guys speaking Lithuanian use Slavic swearings ^

[Dandelion]

Well, although to me Highland Lithuanian traditional polyphonic song sounds way more pleasant than the Prussian Lithuanian song, I think it's very difficult to build a solid opinion on a whole subgroup of a people via the Internet.

This young drunkard has ones of the most funny coordination problems I've ever seen :lol: Another funny thing is both guys speaking Lithuanian use Slavic swearings ^

I noticed that too. Still better than saying 'fuck off' in English like many Dutch-speakers do. Flemish especially tend to have this annoying habit. Dutch people tend to swear in Dutch.

[LoLeL]

The Highlander women are more beautiful while Prussian Lithuanians look like medieval rednecks.

[Skomand]

Round 1900 most of the Prussian-Lithuanians were followers of so-called "Stundenhalter", charismatic preachers outside the Protestant church, who turned their communities against wordly pleasures, including colourful dresses and songs. Kukat was one of them:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Kukat
Therefore you see them mostly in darkish costumes.

[Rumata]

Samogitian Passport – A Certificate of Samogitian Cultural Association

http://samogitia.mch.mii.lt/KULTURA/kultimages/pasas1.jpg

http://samogitia.mch.mii.lt/KULTURA/kultimages/pasas2.jpg

http://samogitia.mch.mii.lt/KULTURA/kultdraug.en.htm