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Kriptc06
05-13-2017, 10:40 PM
Tool here:
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K36expe3.htm

Post your K36map.

Mine:
http://i.imgur.com/85q43SJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/HrCfrOZ.png
Mortimer
05-13-2017, 10:53 PM
http://s18.postimg.org/cfzf8mgll/Eurogenes_K36tool.jpg (http://postimg.org/) http://s18.postimg.org/ogkv9co09/Eurogenes_K36tool2.jpg (http://postimg.org/)
free photo hosting (http://postimage.org/)
Źıün
05-13-2017, 10:54 PM
I wish I could join them. My ancient ancestors, that is.
Annie999
05-13-2017, 10:56 PM
https://s22.postimg.org/wamwb474x/002.jpg

https://s23.postimg.org/wbhjee91n/001.jpg
Kazimiera
05-13-2017, 11:00 PM
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/katzentatzen79/4500_zps0fydnuoj.png (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/katzentatzen79/media/4500_zps0fydnuoj.png.html)

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/katzentatzen79/15000_zps6mfv5whx.png (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/katzentatzen79/media/15000_zps6mfv5whx.png.html)
Dick
05-13-2017, 11:09 PM
Man, this tool upset me. I went from 60 local European hunter gatherer to 60 indo-european invasion @ 4,500 years ago. Talk about genocide of the local population. How the fuck did my I1 forefathers survive this systematic slaughter from R1ethelian psychopaths.
Graham
05-13-2017, 11:11 PM
Fun idea. Will post it tomorrow.


Man, this tool upset me. I went from 60 local European hunter gatherer to 60 indo-european invasion @ 4,500 years ago. Talk about genocide of the local population. How the fuck did my I1 forefathers survive this systematic slaughter from R1ethelian psychopaths.

Set up a victim group and ask for compensation.
Kazimiera
05-13-2017, 11:14 PM
Man, this tool upset me. I went from 60 local European hunter gatherer to 60 indo-european invasion @ 4,500 years ago. Talk about genocide of the local population. How the fuck did my I1 forefathers survive this systematic slaughter from R1ethelian psychopaths.

They facepalmed. :picard1:

That is how the R1ethelites didn't see them.
Dick
05-13-2017, 11:20 PM
They facepalmed. :picard1:

That is why the R1ethelites didn't see them.

http://i.imgur.com/Mr8w3.gif
Kazimiera
05-13-2017, 11:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Mr8w3.gif

If it works for John Cena, there is no reason why it shouldn't have worked for the D1cks too.
Coolguy1
05-13-2017, 11:23 PM
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/18493550_1345810958835384_498946398_o.png?oh=3c9ca feabda7b2c9ec9c2cf364903dd8&oe=5918F530
jingorex
05-13-2017, 11:25 PM
here

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w449/dogbiscuits/K36_zpsluavypd6.jpg
Peterski
05-13-2017, 11:29 PM
I think that it overestimates European components and underestimates Non-Euro components (including Amerindian).

My results for 15,000 years ago:

http://i.imgur.com/e6oZYFP.png

My results for 4,500 years ago:

http://i.imgur.com/D9R4oiD.png
Kelmendasi
05-13-2017, 11:29 PM
https://s4.postimg.org/hhf2zyprx/image_15.png

https://s14.postimg.org/rvg1x2t29/image_14.png
Kriptc06
05-13-2017, 11:30 PM
I think that it overestimates European components and underestimates Non-Euro components (including Amerindian).

My results for 15,000 years ago:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/un
My results for 4,500 years ago:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/D9R4oiD.pnimg]
I happen to think the opposite
Kelmendasi
05-13-2017, 11:31 PM
Hunter-Gatherer used to be my most dominant component 15,000 years ago but it seems like a massive amount of mixing and invading happened
Peterski
05-13-2017, 11:32 PM
I happen to think the opposite

Well, maybe it underestimates only Amerindian, and not any other Non-Euro components.

Edit: Never mind, I forgot that Asian should be added to Amerindian/Siberian.
Voskos
05-13-2017, 11:33 PM
looks like an armchair calc...will try later
Kriptc06
05-13-2017, 11:34 PM
For example CrazyDaisy scores only 18% Amerindian in this. That's her lowest score so far.

Well, maybe it underestimates only Amerindian, and not any other Non-Euro components.

yea)
Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin
05-13-2017, 11:35 PM
For example CrazyDaisy scores only 18% Amerindian in this. That's her lowest score so far.

Well, maybe it underestimates only Amerindian, and not any other Non-Euro components.

I score the same amerindian/East asian in both time frames And its same as my other DNA kits/calcs. Actually score less Euro though. Lowest Euro. score I got is the 4,500 year range.
frankhammer
05-13-2017, 11:38 PM
A European since like, forever.

http://i.imgur.com/v7CioQo.png
http://i.imgur.com/9SEqmGT.png
Peterski
05-13-2017, 11:48 PM
Never mind, I forgot that Asian should be added to Amerindian. It still underestimates it, but not much.
jingorex
05-13-2017, 11:55 PM
here

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w449/dogbiscuits/K36_zpsluavypd6.jpg

forgot the 4500 year screen..

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w449/dogbiscuits/4500_zpsdsgyqktu.jpg
jingorex
05-14-2017, 12:03 AM
A European since like, forever.

http://i.imgur.com/v7CioQo.png
http://i.imgur.com/9SEqmGT.png

http://i.imgur.com/55MWqhs.png
Voskos
05-14-2017, 12:13 AM
...
Erronkari
05-14-2017, 12:16 AM
4,5 K

http://i.imgur.com/EAoFKlt.jpg (http://imgur.com/EAoFKlt)

15 K

http://i.imgur.com/WnXdAjQ.jpg (http://imgur.com/WnXdAjQ)
Sikeliot
05-14-2017, 06:14 AM
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K36expe3.htm

4500 for me, mom, and cousins.


Sikeliot:
Local Europe HG: 2
Indo-European: 29
European Farmer: 36
Total Europe: 68
North Africa: 3
(Black) Africa: 1
Anatolia: 20
Levant: 8

Sikeliot's mother:
Local Europe HG: 7
Indo European: 61
European Farmer: 27
Total Europe: 94
North Africa: 2
(Black) Africa: 2
Anatolia: 1

Sicilian cousin from Palermo... Phoenician blood still runs strong ;)
European Farmer: 11
Indo-European: 9
Total Europe: 19
Anatolia: 42
Levant/Arabia: 32
North Africa: 5

Sicilian cousin from Trapani: a bit more European than the Palermitan.
European Farmer: 25
Indo-European: 10
Total Europe: 35
Anatolia: 36
Levant/Arabia: 25
North Africa: 3
Sikeliot
05-14-2017, 07:04 AM
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/katzentatzen79/4500_zps0fydnuoj.png (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/katzentatzen79/media/4500_zps0fydnuoj.png.html)

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/katzentatzen79/15000_zps6mfv5whx.png (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/katzentatzen79/media/15000_zps6mfv5whx.png.html)


You score so close to my mother on many components.
Kamal900
05-14-2017, 07:23 AM
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/2017-05-14%2011_19_31-.png
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/2017-05-14%2011_20_39-Tool%20for%20Eurogenes%20K36%20-%20Timeline.png
Potentia
05-14-2017, 07:58 AM
My Southern score, though. I'm from those Middle Eastern Farmers, bro! Screw them IEs!

https://i.gyazo.com/d3fbfe878cc9d151b70531118917b311.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/da52021431347d2efa39f5843270b577.jpg
Peterski
05-14-2017, 07:59 AM
Post your results, later I will make a graph with results of TA members for 15,000 and 4,500 years ago. :D
Jana
05-14-2017, 09:29 AM
http://oi63.tinypic.com/20svd3q.jpg
http://oi63.tinypic.com/w0gjnq.jpg
Graham
05-14-2017, 09:31 AM
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/18492926_10155224430550421_1253035482_n.png?oh=710 652e391cec5e14373be026bc263d8&oe=591AB47Ahttps://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/18492320_10155224431500421_1565988942_n.png?oh=780 0231a36d7919cd1d6e4055129eb2d&oe=591AD9D3
Kamal900
05-14-2017, 09:46 AM
My Coptic friend's results:
http://i.imgur.com/lFPeVUK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VuNTuOp.jpg
Rius
05-14-2017, 09:54 AM
https://i.hizliresim.com/LyLVaj.png (https://hizliresim.com/LyLVaj)

https://i.hizliresim.com/r37lQ7.png (https://hizliresim.com/r37lQ7)
oszkar07
05-14-2017, 10:03 AM
4500 years
Local Europe HG: 6
Indo-European: 71
European Farmer: 17
Total Europe: 93
Anatolia: 5
Levant: 1

15,000 years
HG South:7
HG North and East:74
Total Europe: 81
Anatolia: 15
Levant: 1
Caucasus:3
Drawing-slim
05-14-2017, 11:23 AM
Does this mean i am a very new or very rare breed since i have only 12-13 ancestors in total 15k years ago and same number give or take one 4.5k years ago?!
Peterski
05-14-2017, 11:45 AM
Tolan just fixed the Amerindian/Siberian component, so it should no longer underestimate Amerindian ancestry.

See if your results have changed.


Does this mean i am a very new or very rare breed since i have only 12-13 ancestors in total 15k years ago and same number give or take one 4.5k years ago?!

Man, these are percentages of ancestry.
Kelmendasi
05-14-2017, 11:46 AM
Are there any other calculator like this which use plots/maps?
Enflamme
05-14-2017, 12:16 PM
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/19/1494764128-qsdsqdsqdsqd.png
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/19/1494764071-sqsqs.png
Peterski
05-14-2017, 01:12 PM
There was another small update:


I made a slight modification to the tool.
This can change a results (a little) for those who have SCAsian, West-Med and East-Med

I have 1% of HG South:

http://i.imgur.com/Dhp6aUn.png

http://i.imgur.com/yhiOJ3K.png
Kriptc06
05-14-2017, 03:09 PM
There was another small update:


g]

here comrade:

http://i.imgur.com/EuT0IvW.jpg
#
http://i.imgur.com/8SJeJXY.jpg

that africa 12, not all of that is sub-sharahan but okie
Kamal900
05-14-2017, 03:17 PM
There was another small update:



I have 1% of HG South:

...

Slavic stronke.
http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/thumbs-guns-terminator.jpg
Sikeliot
05-14-2017, 03:25 PM
Here are how some Sicilians score, and some Greeks. Sicilians are the least Indo European and the most Levantine, but the Greeks all seem to have more Iranian with exceptions.

"Anatolian" is really better proxied by Sardinians than by modern Anatolians, but some of the Aegean islanders score very high in this Sardinian-like component.

Thessalian Greek is the only one to exceed 50% "Total European" on the list.

Agrigento:
Indo European: 8
Europe Farmer: 16
Total Europe: 24
Anatolia: 39
Levant: 27
Iran: 6
North Africa: 4

Agrigento:
Indo European: 4
European Farmer: 15
Local Europe HG: 2
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 47
Levant: 27
North Africa: 3
Black Africa: 2

Messina:
Indo European: 5
European Farmer: 9
Total Europe: 14
Anatolia: 45
Levant: 37
North Africa: 4

Messina:
Indo European: 7
Europe Farmer: 13
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 44
Levant: 30
North Africa: 5

Catania:
Indo European: 8
European Farmer: 9
Total Europe: 17
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 27
North Africa: 5

Catania:
Indo European: 6
Europe Farmer: 8
Total Europe: 14
Anatolia: 47
Levant: 32
Iran: 1
North Africa: 4

Ragusa:
Indo European: 12
Europe Farmer: 15
Total Europe: 27
Anatolia: 37
Levant: 26
North Africa: 8
Black Africa: 1

Syracuse:
Indo European: 11
Europe Farmer: 16
Total Europe: 27
Anatolia: 41
Levant: 27
Iran: 2
North Africa: 3

(Inland) Caltanissetta:
Indo European: 8
Europe Farmer: 13
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 46
Levant: 22
Iran: 2
North Africa: 7
Black Africa: 2

(Inland) Caltanissetta:
Indo European: 6
Europe Farmer: 15
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 42
Levant: 24
Iran: 3
North Africa: 5

Trapani:
Indo European: 16
Europe Farmer: 15
Total Europe: 31
Anatolia: 34
Levant: 28
North Africa: 5

Trapani:
Indo European: 14
Europe Farmer: 18
Total Europe: 32
Anatolia: 40
Levant: 24
North Africa: 3

Palermo:
Indo European: 9
Europe Farmer: 12
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 41
Levant: 32
North Africa: 5

Palermo:
Indo European: 13
Europe Farmer: 16
Total Europe: 29
Anatolia: 40
Levant: 26
Iran: 2
North Africa: 3

Palermo:
Indo European: 9
European Farmer: 13
Total Europe: 22
Anatolia: 42
Levant: 31
North Africa: 4

Palermo:
Indo European: 4
European Farmer: 12
Total Europe: 16
Anatolia: 48
Levant: 27
Iran: 2
North Africa: 7

Palermo:
Indo-European: 11
Europe Farmer: 15
Total Europe: 25
Anatolia: 48
Levant: 20
North Africa: 3
Iran: 2
Black Africa: 1

Palermo:
Indo European: 9
European Farmer: 17
Total Europe: 26
Anatolia: 43
Levant: 23
North Africa: 6
Iran: 1
Black Africa: 1

Palermo:
Indo-European: 8
European farmer: 13
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 42
Levant: 32
Iran: 1
North Africa: 4

Palermo:
Indo European: 8
Europe Farmer: 14
Total Europe: 23
Anatolia: 39
Levant: 28
Iran: 1
North Africa: 7
Black Africa: 2

Epirus, Greece:
Indo European: 24
Europe Farmer: 20
Local Europe HG: 1
Total Europe: 45
Anatolia: 44
Levant: 9
Iran: 1
North Africa: 2

Thessaly, Greece:
Indo European: 31
Europe Farmer: 19
Total Europe: 51
Anatolia: 39
Levant: 9
Iran: 1
North Africa: 1

Arcadia, Peloponnese, Greece:
Indo European: 21
Europe Farmer: 20
Local Europe HG: 1
Total Europe: 42
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 6
Iran: 2
North Africa: 1

Laconia, Peloponnese, Greece:
Indo European: 24
Europe Farmer: 14
Total Europe: 38
Anatolia: 46
Levant: 12
Iran: 1
North Africa: 2

Chios, North Aegean, Greece:
Indo European: 8
European Farmer: 8
Total Europe: 16
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 31
Iran: 1
North Africa: 2

Chios, North Aegean, Greece:
Indo European: 15
Europe Farmer: 9
Total Europe: 24
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 20
Iran: 3
North Africa: 4

Tilos, Dodecanese:
Indo European: 20
Europe Farmer: 12
Total Europe: 31
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 17
Iran: 1
North Africa: 1

Rhodes, Dodecanese:
Indo European: 12
Europe Farmer: 4
Total Europe: 16
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 30
Iran: 1
North Africa: 3

Andros, Cyclades:
Indo European: 14
Europe Farmer: 13
Total Europe: 27
Anatolia: 46
Levant: 24
North Africa: 3

Inousses, Lesbos, Chios, Ikaria:
Indo European: 11
Europe Farmer: 14
Total Europe: 25
Anatolia: 53
Levant: 20
Iran: 1
North Africa: 1

Ikaria, North Aegean:
Indo European: 11
European Farmer: 10
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 50
Levant: 25
Iran: 2
North Africa: 3

Crete:
Indo European: 13
Europe Farmer: 9
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 50
Levant: 23
Iran: 2
North Africa: 2

Crete:
Indo European: 4
Europe Farmer: 4
Total Europe: 8
Anatolia: 56
Levant: 33
Iran: 1
North Africa: 1

Cyclades, South Aegean:
Indo European: 17
European Farmer: 10
Total Europe: 27
Anatolia: 43
Levant: 26
Iran: 2
North Africa: 3
Voskos
05-14-2017, 03:30 PM
Here are how some Sicilians score, and some Greeks. Sicilians are the least Indo European and the most Levantine, but the Greeks all seem to have more Iranian with exceptions.

"Anatolian" is really better proxied by Sardinians than by modern Anatolians, but some of the Aegean islanders score very high in this Sardinian-like component.

Thessalian Greek is the only one to exceed 50% "Total European" on the list.

Agrigento:
Indo European: 8
Europe Farmer: 16
Total Europe: 24
Anatolia: 39
Levant: 27
Iran: 6
North Africa: 4

Agrigento:
Indo European: 4
European Farmer: 15
Local Europe HG: 2
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 47
Levant: 27
North Africa: 3
Black Africa: 2

Messina:
Indo European: 5
European Farmer: 9
Total Europe: 14
Anatolia: 45
Levant: 37
North Africa: 4

Messina:
Indo European: 7
Europe Farmer: 13
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 44
Levant: 30
North Africa: 5

Catania:
Indo European: 8
European Farmer: 9
Total Europe: 17
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 27
North Africa: 5

Catania:
Indo European: 6
Europe Farmer: 8
Total Europe: 14
Anatolia: 47
Levant: 32
Iran: 1
North Africa: 4

Ragusa:
Indo European: 12
Europe Farmer: 15
Total Europe: 27
Anatolia: 37
Levant: 26
North Africa: 8
Black Africa: 1

Syracuse:
Indo European: 11
Europe Farmer: 16
Total Europe: 27
Anatolia: 41
Levant: 27
Iran: 2
North Africa: 3

(Inland) Caltanissetta:
Indo European: 8
Europe Farmer: 13
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 46
Levant: 22
Iran: 2
North Africa: 7
Black Africa: 2

(Inland) Caltanissetta:
Indo European: 6
Europe Farmer: 15
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 42
Levant: 24
Iran: 3
North Africa: 5

Trapani:
Indo European: 16
Europe Farmer: 15
Total Europe: 31
Anatolia: 34
Levant: 28
North Africa: 5

Trapani:
Indo European: 14
Europe Farmer: 18
Total Europe: 32
Anatolia: 40
Levant: 24
North Africa: 3

Palermo:
Indo European: 9
Europe Farmer: 12
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 41
Levant: 32
North Africa: 5

Palermo:
Indo European: 13
Europe Farmer: 16
Total Europe: 29
Anatolia: 40
Levant: 26
Iran: 2
North Africa: 3

Palermo:
Indo European: 9
European Farmer: 13
Total Europe: 22
Anatolia: 42
Levant: 31
North Africa: 4

Palermo:
Indo European: 4
European Farmer: 12
Total Europe: 16
Anatolia: 48
Levant: 27
Iran: 2
North Africa: 7

Palermo:
Indo-European: 11
Europe Farmer: 15
Total Europe: 25
Anatolia: 48
Levant: 20
North Africa: 3
Iran: 2
Black Africa: 1

Palermo:
Indo European: 9
European Farmer: 17
Total Europe: 26
Anatolia: 43
Levant: 23
North Africa: 6
Iran: 1
Black Africa: 1

Palermo:
Indo-European: 8
European farmer: 13
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 42
Levant: 32
Iran: 1
North Africa: 4

Palermo:
Indo European: 8
Europe Farmer: 14
Total Europe: 23
Anatolia: 39
Levant: 28
Iran: 1
North Africa: 7
Black Africa: 2

Epirus, Greece:
Indo European: 24
Europe Farmer: 20
Local Europe HG: 1
Total Europe: 45
Anatolia: 44
Levant: 9
Iran: 1
North Africa: 2

Thessaly, Greece:
Indo European: 31
Europe Farmer: 19
Total Europe: 51
Anatolia: 39
Levant: 9
Iran: 1
North Africa: 1

Arcadia, Peloponnese, Greece:
Indo European: 21
Europe Farmer: 20
Local Europe HG: 1
Total Europe: 42
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 6
Iran: 2
North Africa: 1

Laconia, Peloponnese, Greece:
Indo European: 24
Europe Farmer: 14
Total Europe: 38
Anatolia: 46
Levant: 12
Iran: 1
North Africa: 2

Chios, North Aegean, Greece:
Indo European: 8
European Farmer: 8
Total Europe: 16
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 31
Iran: 1
North Africa: 2

Chios, North Aegean, Greece:
Indo European: 15
Europe Farmer: 9
Total Europe: 24
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 20
Iran: 3
North Africa: 4

Tilos, Dodecanese:
Indo European: 20
Europe Farmer: 12
Total Europe: 31
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 17
Iran: 1
North Africa: 1

Rhodes, Dodecanese:
Indo European: 12
Europe Farmer: 4
Total Europe: 16
Anatolia: 49
Levant: 30
Iran: 1
North Africa: 3

Andros, Cyclades:
Indo European: 14
Europe Farmer: 13
Total Europe: 27
Anatolia: 46
Levant: 24
North Africa: 3

Inousses, Lesbos, Chios, Ikaria:
Indo European: 11
Europe Farmer: 14
Total Europe: 25
Anatolia: 53
Levant: 20
Iran: 1
North Africa: 1

Ikaria, North Aegean:
Indo European: 11
European Farmer: 10
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 50
Levant: 25
Iran: 2
North Africa: 3

Crete:
Indo European: 13
Europe Farmer: 9
Total Europe: 21
Anatolia: 50
Levant: 23
Iran: 2
North Africa: 2

Crete:
Indo European: 4
Europe Farmer: 4
Total Europe: 8
Anatolia: 56
Levant: 33
Iran: 1
North Africa: 1

Cyclades, South Aegean:
Indo European: 17
European Farmer: 10
Total Europe: 27
Anatolia: 43
Levant: 26
Iran: 2
North Africa: 3

there's no way this calc is legit. it's impossible to have such a big variation within the same region.
Sikeliot
05-14-2017, 03:32 PM
there's no way this calc is legit. it's impossible to have such a big variation within the same region.

More variation happens when there are so many categories. For Sicilians I notice interchangeability between "East Med" and "Near East" and "Arabian", and with "East Europe," "East Central Europe" etc. That's why.
Kelmendasi
05-14-2017, 03:35 PM
There is this feature that allows you to go back to 20,000 years during the paleolithic era and others but for some reason it doesn't work, http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K36expe2.htm
Voskos
05-14-2017, 03:40 PM
it seems only the hunter gatherer and the ANE is counted as euro. all the rest gets lumped into anatolia.
Kelmendasi
05-14-2017, 03:41 PM
it seems only the hunter gatherer and the ANE is counted as euro. all the rest gets lumped into anatolia.
Yh
Kelmendasi
05-14-2017, 03:42 PM
I really wanted to see the results from the calculator I just talked about :(
DRUM
05-14-2017, 03:59 PM
ANATOLIA
https://i.imgur.com/sM6GxL7.png
Kamal900
05-14-2017, 04:51 PM
Oblivion's results(Another Coptic friend who is a member here):
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/2017-05-14%2020_45_42-.png
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/2017-05-14%2020_46_12-Tool%20for%20Eurogenes%20K36%20-%20Timeline.png
Drawing-slim
05-14-2017, 05:48 PM
Tolan just fixed the Amerindian/Siberian component, so it should no longer underestimate Amerindian ancestry.

See if your results have changed.



Man, these are percentages of ancestry.
Still, i have lowst percentage than anyone in here by far. I get numbers of only
Ones and twos
Petalpusher
05-14-2017, 06:03 PM
https://i.imgur.com/LQ4JDiR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oqVieuX.jpg
Sikeliot
05-14-2017, 06:11 PM
Portugal (mainland):
Indo European: 34
Europe Farmer: 40
Total Europe: 75
Anatolia: 12
Levant: 6
North Africa: 6
Black Africa: 1

Azores islands, Portugal:
Indo European: 34
Europe Farmer: 45
Local Europe HG: 1
Total Europe: 80
Anatolia: 2
Levant: 3
North Africa: 5
Black Africa: 2

Madeira, Portugal:
Indo European: 28
Europe Farmer: 42
Local Europe HG: 2
Total Europe: 72
Anatolia: 10
Levant: 3
Iran: 1
North Africa: 9
Black Africa: 5
de Burgh II
05-14-2017, 07:08 PM
Those R1ethelites were relentless I tells ya!

https://s13.postimg.org/84jdc635z/Untitled.jpg

https://s23.postimg.org/6aq1pty3v/Untitledd.jpg
Petalpusher
05-14-2017, 07:39 PM
Here are how some Sicilians score, and some Greeks. Sicilians are the least Indo European and the most Levantine, but the Greeks all seem to have more Iranian with exceptions.

"Anatolian" is really better proxied by Sardinians than by modern Anatolians, but some of the Aegean islanders score very high in this Sardinian-like component.



It's not on the 4500 years map, where it's called "Anatolian Copper Age", quite different from older Anatolians. Purple/Pink triangles point down here:

https://i.imgur.com/ucK1hDa.png


Im not sure exactly what they are surrounded by, without modern labels but the Bronze Age, which is close to Copper in time, is somewhere between i guess Lebanese and Maltese (maybe S.Italy), that's why all your samples get so much of it, this is where "Anatolian Copper Age" would be today. The simple "Anatolian" from the 15 000 years map should be on the other hand indeed more or less similar to Sardinians, EN, LBK etc..
The history of Anatolia is complex, but it probably went down like this: more Levant after the first departures to Europe in the neolithic, then more CHG, Iran and some Asian bits in the Bronze Age and onwards. So they can look very different depending at what time you look at them. Modern Anatolians would go up/left on the pca from the Copper Age but that's really just southeast of Balkan etc..
knowledge is king
05-14-2017, 11:06 PM
YOUR ANCESTORS 15,000 YEARS AGO

My results

Asia 36
Siberian or Amerindian 25
HG: North and East 18
Caucasus & Zagros 14
Anatolia 5
HG: South 2
Levant/Arabia 0
Africa 0
Total Europe 20

A relative

Asia 35
Siberian or Amerindian 22
HG: North and East 20
Caucasus & Zagros 19
Levant/Arabia 4
HG: South 0
Anatolia 0
Africa 0
Total Europe 20


YOUR ANCESTORS 4,500 YEARS AGO

My results

Asia 34
Siberian or Amerindian 25
Indo-European expansion 18
Local European HG 6
Iran CHL 6
Anatolian Copper age 5
European Farmer 2
India 2
North-Africa 0
Levant& Arabia 0
Africa 0
Total Europe 26


A relative

Asia 35
Siberian or Amerindian 22
Indo-European expansion 22
Local European HG 6
Iran CHL 6
Anatolian Copper age 5
Levant& Arabia 2
Africa 0
India 0
European Farmer 0
North-Africa 0
Total Europe 28
Karol Klačansky
05-14-2017, 11:16 PM
My results https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170514/c46436e2ebeddfb3151a54b105d18def.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170514/6c44bda7d0e25b1271f7851f05aab7b7.jpg
Mazik
05-14-2017, 11:34 PM
15 k years ago and 4.5 k years ago:

https://s4.postimg.org/mjdbik2u5/k36.jpg
ALL
05-14-2017, 11:43 PM
My father- fairly close to my results-
http://oi67.tinypic.com/34zkpi0.jpg
http://oi67.tinypic.com/2j5g9jb.jpg
Albannach
05-15-2017, 07:50 PM
http://i.imgur.com/uDHXtYc.png


http://i.imgur.com/iGN7I3R.png
Lucas
05-15-2017, 09:53 PM
All averages use din this tool are directly from my spreadsheet:) Tolan "forgot" to mention it....
Karol Klačansky
05-15-2017, 10:22 PM
All averages use din this tool are directly from my spreadsheet:) Tolan "forgot" to mention it....
Yea it's amazing how people forget to mention stuff....but always come to you when they need help...
Lucas
05-16-2017, 08:54 AM
All averages use din this tool are directly from my spreadsheet:) Tolan "forgot" to mention it....

It is fixed now:)
alnortedelsur
06-22-2017, 05:58 AM
My K36 results:

Population
Amerindian 6.06
Arabian 0.37
Armenian 1.25
Basque 5.58
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.60
East_African 0.54
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.79
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 7.18
Eastern_Euro 3.11
Fennoscandian 2.42
French 4.25
Iberian 18.87
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.52
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.98
North_African 5.14
North_Atlantic 4.31
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.36
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.17
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 4.13
West_Caucasian 0.95
West_Med 3.36

My ancestor locations:

http://i.imgur.com/hMzNuqW.png
Dibran
06-27-2017, 04:08 PM
Me:

65427

65428


Father:

65429

65430
Jackson78
02-10-2018, 01:21 PM
https://i.imgur.com/DUADuaH.png

https://i.imgur.com/RO6CtVh.png
oszkar07
02-10-2018, 01:53 PM
https://i.imgur.com/wtjx70h.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/D1Yb974.jpg
Rethel
02-10-2018, 02:06 PM
:picard2:
Rethel
02-10-2018, 02:15 PM
Your [au-]ancestors[/all ascendants] 15K & 4,5K years ago

https://m.popkey.co/a2fe7c/zdy98.gif.
ovidiu
04-13-2018, 05:19 PM
Hm, I'm a bit surprised by how low the HG South is.

15k years ago

Total Europe: 49
HG: North and East: 47
HG: South 2

North Africa: 0
Africa: 0

Anatolia: 29
Caucasus & Zagros: 11
Levant/Arabia: 10

Siberian or Amerindian: 0
Asia: 0

4.5k years ago

Total Europe: 60
Indo-European Expansion: 48
Local European HG: 4
European Farmer: 8

Anatolian Copper Age: 34
Levant & Arabia: 6
Iran CHL: 1

Siberian or Amerindian: 0
Asia: 0
India: 0

Mostly a split between IE's and Copper Age Anatolians.
AtlantoMediterranean
04-13-2018, 11:10 PM
Very interesting tools, thank you to the one who makes them.

https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2018/04/14/tauxsimilitude-1/

https://zupimages.net/up/18/15/99ad.png (http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=18/15/99ad.png)

https://zupimages.net/up/18/15/q5am.png (http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=18/15/q5am.png)
de Burgh II
04-14-2018, 11:15 PM
https://s9.postimg.cc/tta7e3ifz/Untitled.jpg

https://s9.postimg.cc/9n6peqhi7/Untitledd.jpg
ovidiu
04-16-2018, 11:01 PM
It would be interesting to see what an Indian user would score on this, to see how much of their ancestry came from Indo-Europeans. But I'm not sure there are any here other than maybe that ButlerKing guy.

On second thought I don't know; since this is based on Eurogenes I'd imagine it wouldn't work as well for South Asians.
Carpatz
04-16-2018, 11:34 PM
What's with the low hg in the 4.5k map? Were most hg assimilated by farmers by the time of Indo-European expansion?

https://i.imgur.com/a1yMejG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oCipDWP.jpg
de Burgh II
04-16-2018, 11:46 PM
What's with the low hg in the 4.5k map? Were most hg assimilated by farmers by the time of Indo-European expansion?

https://i.imgur.com/a1yMejG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oCipDWP.jpg


Probably not a clear cut proxy; probably gets absorbed in European Farmer which is a WHG (Western Hunter Gatherer) and Neolithic (Sardinian-like) mix that has autosomal similarities in allelic frequencies with the HG component.
MercifulServant
04-17-2018, 12:53 AM
https://i.imgur.com/bci9lqz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/oOt8q47.jpg
AK-47
04-24-2018, 08:41 PM
https://preview.ibb.co/dpZgMx/Heatmap_Europe_1.png
https://preview.ibb.co/coqSuH/Heatmap_europe2.png
happycow
04-24-2018, 08:57 PM
https://i.imgur.com/bALHxVt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6ULxpWF.jpg
StonyArabia
04-24-2018, 11:05 PM
Mine results

https://s31.postimg.cc/igu6pw7qz/eurogenes36.png (https://postimg.cc/image/xcspxhj5j/)

https://s31.postimg.cc/vkzr2lf8b/eurogenes362.png (https://postimg.cc/image/ohrvmz9sn/)
Coastal Elite
02-16-2019, 12:40 AM
https://i.imgur.com/6fuFZlR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/68MwHHA.jpg
Ayetooey
02-16-2019, 12:52 AM
Anyone else scoring Iran CHL on the 4500bc map? hehe


https://i.imgur.com/y9ypi6u.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VHOQIQB.jpg
Pedro Ruben
03-08-2019, 07:11 PM
https://cdn1.imggmi.com/uploads/2019/3/8/2c656f5040a80a5562478774a0953255-full.jpg (https:///) upload (https://imggmi.com)

https://cdn1.imggmi.com/uploads/2019/3/8/e170765a06a6ab1ee92738b536676636-full.jpg (https:///) upload (https://imggmi.com)
Snkves
08-21-2019, 12:22 PM
https://i.imgur.com/NEqBN0g.png
https://i.imgur.com/tNSGa8O.png
Morlak
08-21-2019, 05:10 PM
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/730491607e67bcdba83ef9c85c63092f5414b891ab1cdcfd6a 5022441fcbab2e0a7c2dfc.jpg
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/64047108bcf9987957ee0724a59b1bee8a06c8cb7e9630add2 d60a02924dabeaa9dda4ac.jpg
SUPREEEEEME
08-23-2019, 02:50 PM
15000 years ago:

Total Europe: 35
HG: South 12
HG: North and East 23

Anatolia 20
Caucasus & Zagros 15
Levant/Arabia 29
Asia 1

4000 years ago:

Total Europe: 40
Indo-European expansion 26
European Farmer 14

Anatolian Copper Age 28
Levant & Arabia 27
Iran CHL 2
North Africa 2
Asia 1
India 1
Helen
08-31-2019, 07:26 PM
90913
90912
ksha
09-01-2019, 09:17 AM
https://i.ibb.co/VVB75Dx/screenshot-gen3553-pagesperso-orange-fr-2019-09-01-11-12-28.png (https://ibb.co/R2HxdPN)

https://i.ibb.co/ydcfG4y/screenshot-gen3553-pagesperso-orange-fr-2019-09-01-11-13-20.png (https://ibb.co/2W1nmZt)
**JC**
09-01-2019, 09:51 AM
Your ancestors 15,000 years ago
Total Europe 88
HG North & East 74
HG South 14
Anatolia 12

Your ancestors 4,500 years ago
Total Europe 100
Indo-European Expansion 71
European Farmer 26
Local European HG 3
Dušan
09-01-2019, 10:14 AM
https://i.imgur.com/ymgiWbe.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZG5HqLl.jpg
Kazimiera
09-01-2019, 01:33 PM
15000 years ago

https://i.imgur.com/348vblF.png

4500 years ago

https://i.imgur.com/yxyHlzr.png
MercifulServant
09-26-2019, 09:09 PM
All averages use din this tool are directly from my spreadsheet:) Tolan "forgot" to mention it....

I think both the tool and the spreadsheet for this are kinda bs tbh. No way bosnia scores less "European" then serbia proper, and the same ethnicities score vastly different results. For example Morlak (A montenegrin/krajina) serb scores 67% Europe on the 15k while I score 56% and then on the 4.5k we have the same amount of europe. Im also north of him on every other calc so I dont see how this can be accurate.
TheOldNorth
11-21-2019, 11:33 PM
92939
92940
PT Tagus
11-22-2019, 05:48 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xtNsa4i.png


https://i.imgur.com/SqxAqYg.png
Kamal900
11-22-2019, 05:56 PM
My ancestors 15,000 years ago:
https://i.ibb.co/L14fNZL/2019-11-22-22-53-22-gen3553-pagesperso-orange-fr-b5346e7f5eef.jpg

My ancestors 4,500 years ago:
https://i.ibb.co/TBpHr20/2019-11-22-22-53-53-gen3553-pagesperso-orange-fr-42c3e2e1127d.jpg
Pedro Ruben
11-22-2019, 10:54 PM
15,000 years ago
https://i.imgur.com/9bW3mdT.jpg

4,500 years ago
https://i.imgur.com/LQvB93z.jpg
lacreme
01-12-2020, 10:11 PM
Bump!

My friend's results

15000 years ago
HG South: 15
HG North&East: 8
Total Europe: 23
Anatolia: 47
Caucasus&Zagros: 21
Levant: 9

4500 years ago
European Farmer: 20
Indo European expansion: 10
Total Europe: 30
Anatolian Copper Age: 56
Levant: 7
Iran CHL: 6
North Africa: 1

Bonus!
From the Neolithic
(ca 7000 years ago)
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K36expe2.htm
European hunter-gatherers: 8
Anatolian and European farmers: 62
of which Euro South-East: 15
and Anatolian: 46
Farmers of the Levant: 9
Caucasian and Zagros Mountains farmers: 21
Rafael Passoni
07-28-2022, 05:57 AM
Dad
15,000 years ago:
https://i.imgur.com/Z6weN7h.png
Dad 4,500 years ago:
https://i.imgur.com/W8sL1Si.png
Mom 15,000 years ago:
https://i.imgur.com/aJg2jkk.png
Mom 4,500 years ago:
https://i.imgur.com/wqRy28f.png
alnortedelsur
07-28-2022, 06:47 AM
My K36 results:

Population
Amerindian 6.06
Arabian 0.37
Armenian 1.25
Basque 5.58
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.60
East_African 0.54
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.79
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 7.18
Eastern_Euro 3.11
Fennoscandian 2.42
French 4.25
Iberian 18.87
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.52
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.98
North_African 5.14
North_Atlantic 4.31
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.36
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.17
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 4.13
West_Caucasian 0.95
West_Med 3.36

My ancestor locations:

http://i.imgur.com/hMzNuqW.png

WTF! I posted this like 5 years ago, and I didn't realized there were actually two maps. That map I'm quoting is from my ancestors 15,000 years ago. And this other (the one I missed) is of my ancestors 5K years ago:

https://i1.imageban.ru/out/2022/07/28/2199210e807cb9d4da885062110e5c97.jpg