Can most of Lithuanians pass as Finns?

[Danny321]

Everyone knows that Estonians are close to Finns due to their Finno-Ugric language and genetics. However few people talk about Finnish closeness to Balts, such as Lithuanians.

Even though Lithuanians speak Baltic language, according to most genetic studies, Lithuanians got the second highest percentage of Finnic- Uralic N3 haplogroug, even slightly higher than Estonians. It's mostly due to huge influx of Ugric people from North-East to Lithuania at around 4000-5000 BC.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/29/13/2c/29132cffadcc3c6e740e1895242e82c0.jpg
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Once I heard a saying that almost every Lithuanian could pass as Finn, but not every Finn as Lithuanian. I think it's a bit of overstatement. But would like to hear from Finns. What do you think?

Finnish and Lithuanian national male and female football teams.

Lithuanian

https://s1.15min.lt/images/photos/618980/original/lietuvos-moteru-futbolo-rinktine-pergalingai-pradejo-baltijos-taures-turnyra-vilniuje-5217b191ccdca.jpg

Finnish

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Comp_Matches/01/98/20/46/1982046_w1.jpg

National basketball teams

Lithuanian

http://i2.alfi.lt/16395/75/80.jpg

Finnish

http://sports24hour.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Finland-football-team-takes-on-Germany-in-Club-friendly-game-on-31st-august-2016.jpg

Last 3 presidents

Finnish

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/673420359874428928/EZztR797.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Tarja_Halonen_1c389_8827-2.jpg/1200px-Tarja_Halonen_1c389_8827-2.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Martti_Ahtisaari%2C_tidigare_president_Finland_och _mottagare_av_Nobels_fredrspris_%282%29.jpg/683px-Martti_Ahtisaari%2C_tidigare_president_Finland_och _mottagare_av_Nobels_fredrspris_%282%29.jpg

Lithuanian

http://www.baltictimes.com/media/photos/136055_15662794545655bf31565f4_big.jpg
http://biblioteka.vdu.lt/vdu20/gd20/adamkus.jpg
http://g1.dcdn.lt/images/pix/rolandas-paksas-64196958.jpg


Last 3 mayors of capital cities.

Finnish

http://finnexpo.multiedition.fi/wwwcem/cem/kuvat/JussiPajunen.jpg
http://images.cdn.yle.fi/image/upload//w_1198,h_674,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_auto/13-3-5293150.jpg
http://www.sulvi.fi/wp-content/uploads/catablog/originals/rahkamo%20kari.jpg

Lithuanian


https://s1.15min.lt/static/cache/MTAwMHg1MjMsNDM4eDM0OCw2MTY2NTMsb3JpZ2luYWwsLGlkPT U2MTcyMiwyNzgyNjk0NDQz/remigijus-simasius-5058393c9303b.jpg
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[Era]

North African E1b1b1 :picard1: N is indian then

[Danny321]

North African E1b1b1 :picard1: N is indian then
What do you mean ? :)

[Harkonnen]

You are asking a subjective question in a forum filled with morons.

Obviously this is largely a question of scaling, which again is affected by subjectivity.

On a minor note I've seen pca's based on phenotype snp's. On these populations tend not to form clear clusters based on ethnicity, like they do when testing genos. This of course makes sense. There is large within population variation in phenotype, and there is large overlap in phenotypes between populations, in basic types. However there are minor cues that form the glue between basic types within population.

[Danny321]

You are asking a subjective question in a forum filled with morons.

Obviously this is largely a question of scaling, which again is affected by subjectivity.

On a minor note I've seen pca's based on phenotype snp's. On these populations tend not to form clear clusters based on ethnicity, like they do when testing genos. This of course makes sense. There is large within population variation in phenotype, and there is large overlap in phenotypes between populations, in basic types. However there are minor cues that form the glue between basic types within population.

Indeed so, I agree that it's quite a subjective question and we probably need to look at averages rather than individuals. Though I think Finnish Lithuanian phenotypes quite overlap...

For example I presume that there are less overlap between Swedes and Finns than Lithuanians and Finns.
I've spent quite some time in Sweden and could quite easily tell Finns in Sweden and Swedes.

I've only recently discovered genetic evidence how similar Finnish and Lithuanian phenotypes. Tried to find more information on this, but couldn't find much.
So I wonder maybe Finns or people who more-less know Finnish phenotypes could say something on this...

[Sikeliot]

Lithuanians look in between Finns/NW Russians and Poles, which is what they are genetically more or less.

[RN97]

IDK if most can, but most look at least similar. I'd say that at least half pass in Finland.

[Methuselah]

Many of them could pass. If it really matters. Phenotype is one thing, culture is another. But Lithuanians are melancholic (just like Finns) and i always get some kinda of Finnish vibe from them for some reason..

[Mingle]

Lithuanians look in between Finns/NW Russians and Poles, which is what they are genetically more or less.

Lithuanians plot east of both Russians and Poles, they aren't genetically in between them.

[Septentrion]

Lithuanians are nowhere close to Finns in blondism, but are quite light-eyed. They are much Neo-Danubian than East Baltid. 40% of Lithuanian have dark brown hair.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/E57XFB/vilnius-lithuania-22nd-july-2014-fans-of-zalgiris-cheer-during-the-E57XFB.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/K3DFPX/telaviv-israel-31st-aug-2017-fans-of-georgia-during-the-erurobasket-K3DFPX.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/KKW4HE/vilnius-lithuania-june-9-2017-girls-making-selfie-on-mobile-phone-KKW4HE.jpg

[NSXD60]

Medieval Litts looked more Northwestern Euro before being bastardized by the Rooskies.

[Roy]

They do resemble each other, but at the same time look pretty different. Also Lithuanians have more dark hair than Finns.

There is a considerable chunk of Finns that exhibit types that are likely totally alien for Lithuania.

[Satem]

Probably there are some people who would pass though it's not majority, but Finns have unique look so for sure just a several percent would pass just as atypical

[Lemminkäinen]

Lithuanians have a Slavic look and Belarusians have a Baltic look. They are exchangeable.

[VirilLignac]

Lithuanians have a Slavic look and Belarusians have a Baltic look. They are exchangeable.

Both have Eastern Indo-Europeans, but Belarusians have more Central European admixture (haplogroup I2b) since Lithuanians have more Finnic admixture (haplogroup N1c).
Highest rates of Eastern Indo-European genes are found in Lechitic Slavs (Poles, Kashubians, Sorbs etc.)

[Lemminkäinen]

Both have Eastern Indo-Europeans, but Belarusians have more Central European admixture (haplogroup I2b) since Lithuanians have more Finnic admixture (haplogroup N1c).
Highest rates of Eastern Indo-European genes are found in Lechitic Slavs (Poles, Kashubians, Sorbs etc.)

My understanding is that Lithuanians have almost zero Finnic admixture, because Baltic Finnic languages are much younger than Baltic N1. Savonian and Karelian branches diverged from the root 4500 ybp and Southwest-Finnish/Estonian branch 3600 ybp. According recent studies Finnic languages reached Baltic area in early Iron Age. Whatever happened in North Russia during the Bronze Age led to Baltic N1.