Jews and non-Caucasoid admixture?

[TheForeigner]

What is the level of non-Caucasoid admixture for the various Jewish groups?

[Seya]

if we talk about ethiopian jews then it's very high :P

[Grab the Gauge]

Almost zero Mongoloid however Iraqi Jews and Sephardic Jews have some Negroid admixture.

[StonyArabia]

Ashkenazim have some SSA admixture, so do Sephardics some might have Mongoloid. Some Mizrahi Jews have it to like Iraqi Jews, Yemenite Jews, and Egyptian Jews, as well North African Jews. They lack the Mongoloid element, but they do have an SSA in them. Egyptian Jews are like around 5% SSA, Yemenite Jews are around the same level, and North African Jews slightly higher. Iraqi Jews have the least usually around 2% to 3%.

[Bobby Martnen]

Ashkenazim have about 50%, all of which is MENA. The other 50% is mostly North Italian, with a little bit of Central and Eastern European.

[User50]

Ashkenazim have some SSA admixture, so do Sephardics some might have Mongoloid. Some Mizrahi Jews have it to like Iraqi Jews, Yemenite Jews, and Egyptian Jews, as well North African Jews. They lack the Mongoloid element, but they do have an SSA in them. Egyptian Jews are like around 5% SSA, Yemenite Jews are around the same level, and North African Jews slightly higher. Iraqi Jews have the least usually around 2% to 3%.


Ashkenazi have SSA? Somehow I doubt that. Not unless they have some Sephardi ancestors anyway.

The nigger blood in Sephardis is because they mixed with the local Berber population in North Africa after being expelled from Spain. I think Sephardi are usually in the 2-3% SSA range. This distinguishes them from every other North African group.

Not 100% sure if the Mizrachi (Levantanian) Jews have nigger blood. But they're aren't very many Mizrachi Jews around. The Levant never had very many Jews, unlike North Africa.

[User50]

What's the difference between Sephardi and Mizrachi Jews? Are Sephardi the North African Jews while Mizrachi are the Middle Eastern ones?

Since Sephardi are far more numerous than Mizrachi sometimes Mizrachi get put into the Sephardi category.

[User50]

Here is an article on North African and Eastern Europe Jews. Which are the 2 largest Jewish groups. http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08/origins-of-north-african-and.html


North Africa Jews don't totally lack nigger blood, but it's much lower than the rest of the North Africa populace.

[Smeagol]

Ashkenazim have about 50%, all of which is MENA. The other 50% is mostly North Italian, with a little bit of Central and Eastern European.

MENA is not non-Caucasoid.

[Smeagol]

Ashkenazi have SSA?

Like 1-2% East African.

[User50]

Here's a DNA test from a half Sephardi Jew. Two grandparents are from North Africa and two are from Uzbekistan.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?236276-Sephardic-Jewish-Eurogenes-K13-Results

He has 0.56% SSA. Since I assume his Uzbekistani grandparents were 0% SSA that would mean the grandparents from North Africa were about 1.12% black.

[Kamal900]

MENA is not non-Caucasoid.

Indeed.

[Leto]

They have about the same amount of African as Southern Italians do.

[MysteriousWays]

Ashkenazi Jews typically have minor E. African and E. Asian components (like ~1% a piece, perhaps a bit more than that for E. African). Rest would be Caucasoid. Mizrahi Jews have perhaps slightly more E. African, but usually it's like 2-3% except for Yemeni Jews who have more. I also think they do not have the E. Asian component, but I could be wrong on this.

[MercifulServant]

They have a little bit of SSA

[Bobby Martnen]

MENA is not non-Caucasoid.

It's still non-White, even if it's technically Caucasoid.

[Bobby Martnen]

Ashkenazi Jews typically have minor E. African and E. Asian components (like ~1% a piece, perhaps a bit more than that for E. African). Rest would be Caucasoid. Mizrahi Jews have perhaps slightly more E. African, but usually it's like 2-3% except for Yemeni Jews who have more. I also think they do not have the E. Asian component, but I could be wrong on this.

The question is whether this is real admixture or just statistical noise.

[User50]

Ashkenazi Jews typically have minor E. African and E. Asian components (like ~1% a piece, perhaps a bit more than that for E. African). Rest would be Caucasoid. Mizrahi Jews have perhaps slightly more E. African, but usually it's like 2-3% except for Yemeni Jews who have more. I also think they do not have the E. Asian component, but I could be wrong on this.

Can anybody show me Ashkenazi Jew DNA tests? I am extremely skeptical of the idea that they have SSA. Especially at a level over 1%.

Russian Jews might have East Asian DNA due to mixing with the general Russian populace. Russians are usually about 5% Mongoloid if I'm not mistaken.

[MysteriousWays]

Can anybody show me Ashkenazi Jew DNA tests? I am extremely skeptical of the idea that they have SSA. Especially at a level over 1%.

Russian Jews might have East Asian DNA due to mixing with the general Russian populace. Russians are usually about 5% Mongoloid if I'm not mistaken.

It is East African, not West African, and I'll try to dig it up later. I've seen a few with it (2ish% East African). Some could be noise though.

[Leto]

It's still non-White, even if it's technically Caucasoid.
Jews are usually not seen as white, but that's mainly because they don't see themselves as part of the European family. Anyway, most Europeans have some Caucasian or Eastern Mediterranean, so that doesn't really matter whether those components are 'genuinely white' or not.

[Bobby Martnen]

Jews are usually not seen as white, but that's mainly because they don't see themselves as part of the European family.

Ashkenazi Jews are almost always seen is White in America. It may be different in Eastern Europe.


Anyway, most Europeans have some Caucasian or Eastern Mediterranean, so that doesn't really matter.

Still, Ashkenazi Jews are half Levantine, half North Italian. In that sense, they're similar to Gypsies, another group that lives in Europe and is heavily admixed with Europeans, but originated outside of Europe.

[Leto]

Ashkenazi Jews are almost always seen is White in America. It may be different in Eastern Europe.
Not by white nationalists. And most Jews think of themselves as Jewish first and foremost, not just 'generic whites'.
In Eastern Europe whiteness is not the primary identity of people.

[Leto]

Still, Ashkenazi Jews are half Levantine, half North Italian. In that sense, they're similar to Gypsies, another group that lives in Europe and is heavily admixed with Europeans, but originated outside of Europe.
Gypsies are usually brown or super swarthy, many even have a pretty Indian look.

[Bobby Martnen]

Not by white nationalists. And most Jews think of themselves as Jewish first and foremost, not just 'generic whites'.
In Eastern Europe whiteness is not the primary identity of people.

By virtually everyone who isn't a White nationalist, they are seen as White.

Whiteness wasn't the primary identity in America until Ted Kennedy opened the floodgates to the Third World.

[Bobby Martnen]

Gypsies are usually brown or super swarthy, many even have a pretty Indian look.

But they're all at least 1/3 European genetically.

And a lot of mixed Gypsies could pass as atypical Europeans, like Mortimer for example.

[Leto]

By virtually everyone who isn't a White nationalist, they are seen as White.

Whiteness wasn't the primary identity in America until Ted Kennedy opened the floodgates to the Third World.
That's because 85-90% of the pop. was white and the only significant minority were the blacks. When you live in a homogenous society, you don't think about race or ethnicity on a daily basis, unless some lefties remind you of diversity and all that bullcrap.

[Leto]

But they're all at least 1/3 European genetically.

And a lot of mixed Gypsies could pass as atypical Europeans, like Mortimer for example.
He's half Serbian. Unmixed Balkan or Eastern European Gypsies don't look white at all. They are darker than many Muslim immigrants such as Turks, for example.

[Bobby Martnen]

He's half Serbian. Unmixed Balkan or Eastern European Gypsies don't look white at all. They are darker than many Muslim immigrants such as Turks, for example.

Yes, he's half Serbian, but notice that he looks much whiter than people who are half Indian, half White. It shows that Gypsies have significant European admixture, even if they don't always show it phenotypically.

[User50]

It is East African, not West African, and I'll try to dig it up later. I've seen a few with it (2ish% East African). Some could be noise though.


Are you sure that the kits with SSA weren't at least half Sephardi? I believe Maghrebi Jews are about 2-3% SSA. Yemeni Jews have even more SSA, about 7%.

Note that North African Jews aren't really ethnically North African, but are basically refugees from Spain. Which is why their SSA is so low compared to every other group in North Africa. They did occasionally mix with Berbers though, as their 2-3% SSA shows.

[Smeagol]

Jews are usually not seen as white,

In America almost everybody sees them as white.

[Smeagol]

It's still non-White, even if it's technically Caucasoid.

I would say pure Middle Easterners aren't non-white at all.

[User50]

White nationalists are pretty much the only people in America who don't view Jews as white.

[Bobby Martnen]

I would say pure Middle Easterners aren't non-white at all.

To me, genetically White = European

Even though they aren't truly genetically White, I'll accept Christian and Jewish Levantines as "White".

[Smeagol]

White nationalists are pretty much the only people in America who don't view Jews as white.

And there are some exceptions to that like Jared Taylor.

[Smeagol]

To me, genetically White = European

Even though they aren't truly genetically White, I'll accept Christian and Jewish Levantines as "White".

There's not really such a thing as a European race.

[Leto]

To me, genetically White = European

Even though they aren't truly genetically White, I'll accept Christian and Jewish Levantines as "White".
Assimilated half Middle Easterners can be accepted too in my opinion. Like half Iranian, half Turkish, half Palestinian, etc. Without Islam of course.

Half German, half Iranian
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/09/Ramin-Djawadi-200.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170328104922

Half Swedish, half Iranian
http://www.media2.hw-static.com/wp-content/uploads/nadia-bjorlin_5232367-500x625.jpeg

[Bobby Martnen]

There's not really such a thing as a European race.

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15V4.png

[Bobby Martnen]

Assimilated half Middle Easterners can be accepted too in my opinion. Like half Iranian, half Turkish, half Palestinian, etc. Without Islam of course.


Agreed. I feel the same way about assimilated Gypsies.

[Smeagol]

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15V4.png

This sort of just proves my point. There's no sharp separation between Europe and MENA genetically, it's a cline as opposed to the gaps between Caucasoids and Mongoloids/Negroids. They are very similar on a world level and clearly make up one Caucasoid race.

[Bobby Martnen]

This sort of just proves my point. There's sharp separation between Europe and MENA genetically, it's a cline, as opposed to the gaps between Caucasoids and Mongoloids/Negroids. They clearly make up one Caucasoid race.

I see the Caucasoid race as divided into three subraces: European, MENA, and South Asian.

You really want a bunch of Syrians swarming into Europe?

[Smeagol]

I see the Caucasoid race as divided into three subraces: European, MENA, and South Asian.

You really want a bunch of Syrians swarming into Europe?

Never said I did. I don't want a bunch of Greeks swarming into Norway either.

[Leto]

I see the Caucasoid race as divided into three subraces: European, MENA, and South Asian.

You really want a bunch of Syrians swarming into Europe?
You can oppose immigration of people of the same major race too, why not? For example, a Briton has the right to be opposed to Polish mass migration and I can understand him. Only the white British are indigenous to Britain, the Polish are not, despite them being white and Christian. And Syrians are not even Christian (most of them) or European. They are damn mullahs with plural hijabi wives.

[MysteriousWays]

You can oppose immigration of people of the same major race too, why not? For example, a Briton has the right to be opposed to Polish mass migration and I can understand him. Only the white British are indigenous to Britain, the Polish are not, despite them being white and Christian. And Syrians are not even Christian (most of them) or European. They are damn mullahs with plural hijabi wives.

This is the difference between Europe and the U.S. Most in the U.S. just think in terms of "white."

[Bobby Martnen]

Never said I did. I don't want a bunch of Greeks swarming into Norway either.


You can oppose immigration of people of the same major race too, why not? For example, a Briton has the right to be opposed to Polish mass migration and I can understand him. Only the white British are indigenous to Britain, the Polish are not, despite them being white and Christian. And Syrians are not even Christian (most of them) or European. They are damn mullahs with plural hijabi wives.

Well, I still see MENAs as a different race. It's not as clearly defined as the boundary between White and Black, but there are enough genetic, physical, and cultural differences to justify the division.

[Leto]

This is the difference between Europe and the U.S. Most in the U.S. just think in terms of "white."
Well, the (white) American people are mostly a mix of various, mainly Northern and Western European nations, so that's understandable. When you are of mixed origin yourself and have millions of people of other races living in your country, such "small" differences as Irish Catholics or German Protestants or even Poles or Italians kind of cease to matter.

[Smeagol]

Well, I still see MENAs as a different race. It's not as clearly defined as the boundary between White and Black, but there are enough genetic, physical, and cultural differences to justify the division.

Culture really has nothing to do with race, which is a strictly biological thing. Also to use Greeks as an example, what race do you consider them? Genetically, they're closer to Syrians than Germans.

[Bobby Martnen]

Culture really has nothing to do with race, which is a strictly biological thing. Also to use Greeks as an example, what race do you consider them? Genetically, they're closer to Syrians than Germans.

Yes, but their closest populations in Oracle are other southeastern Europeans like Italians and Jews.

Whereas a Lebanese person's closest populations will be other Levantines.

There's less of a divide than there is between Negroids and Mongoloids, but the Euro/MENA divide is still there.

[Leto]

Well, I still see MENAs as a different race. It's not as clearly defined as the boundary between White and Black, but there are enough genetic, physical, and cultural differences to justify the division.
Do you accept half Mexicans, half Cholos like this girl as white?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239463-Interesting-Results-in-Youtube-of-a-half-Mexican-half-white-Murican-orphan-girl

[User50]

IDK if ancient MENAs were white. But at this point they're admixed with Arabs (and negroes in North Africa) to be considered white.

Anyway Ashkenazi Jews are genetically about half European. Plus they're culturally white after being in Europe for a long time. Plus they were kicked out of the Middle East before the Arabs invaded.

[Bobby Martnen]

Do you accept half Mexicans, half Cholos like this girl as white?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239463-Interesting-Results-in-Youtube-of-a-half-Mexican-half-white-Murican-orphan-girl

Off-white.

[Leto]

Yes, but their closest populations in Oracle are other southeastern Europeans like Italians and Jews.

Whereas a Lebanese person's closest populations will be other Levantines.

There's less of a divide than there is between Negroids and Mongoloids, but the Euro/MENA divide is still there.
Most people would accept a Christian Syrian guy who looks like a Southern Italian or Greek regardless of the fact that Syria is not a European country. Of course brown Muslim Saudis or Afghans are not seen as the same people as Germans or Croats.

[Bobby Martnen]

Most people would accept a Christian Syrian guy who looks like a Southern Italian or Greek regardless of the fact that Syria is not a European country. Of course brown Muslim Saudis or Afghans are not seen as the same people as Germans or Croats.

Like I said before, I accept Christian or Jewish Middle Eastern, North African, and West Asian groups as "honorary Whites".

I have a less restrictive definition of White than White Nationalists do (and I also don't think whites are a superior races, I'm barely racist), but my definition does not include all Caucasoids.

I see Mortimer as White, but not alnortedelsur.

[Leto]

Like I said before, I accept Christian or Jewish Middle Eastern, North African, and West Asian groups as "honorary Whites".

I have a less restrictive definition of White than White Nationalists do (and I also don't think whites are a superior races, I'm barely racist), but my definition does not include all Caucasoids.

I see Mortimer as White, but not alnortedelsur.
Lol, Alnortedelsur is 87% European on 23andme and his mom is from Spain, he's whiter than Mortimer even in terms of looks. He has gray-green eyes and light skin.

[Bobby Martnen]

Lol, Alnortedelsur is 87% European on 23andme and his mom is from Spain, he's whiter than Mortimer even in terms of looks. He has gray-green eyes and light skin.

I've never seen him.

Unlike Mortimer, Alnorte's non-Euro admixture is non-Caucasoid. Mortimer's non-Euro is still Caucasoid.

Also, Mortimer is culturally more European than Alnorte, who has a very Hispanic culture.

Also, I just like Mortimer better lol

[Leto]

I've never seen him.

Unlike Mortimer, Alnorte's non-Euro admixture is non-Caucasoid. Mortimer's non-Euro is still Caucasoid.

Also, Mortimer is culturally more European than Alnorte, who has a very Hispanic culture.

Also, I just like Mortimer better lol
If Mortimer breeded with a white Austrian woman, their child would be hwhite, but unfortunately he seems to be unfit to marry.

Do you remember this part Gypsy girl?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?228641-Part-Gypsy-Adoptee-DNA-Results

[MysteriousWays]

I think it's hard to argue that on the whole, Middle Easterners (North Africans, perhaps is an easier case, at least genetically) are a different race from Europeans. Culturally, of course they are different.

[Bobby Martnen]

If Mortimer breeded with a white Austrian woman, their child would be hwhite, but unfortunately he seems to be unfit to marry.

Do you remember this part Gypsy girl?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?228641-Part-Gypsy-Adoptee-DNA-Results

I remember her, but please don't say mean things like that about Mortimer.

He's a great guy, and he'd be a good husband and father.

Do you see alnorte as White?

[Leto]

Do you see alnorte as White?
Well, yes, I see people who are at least 85% European as white.

[MysteriousWays]

I remember her, but please don't say mean things like that about Mortimer.

He's a great guy, and he'd be a good husband and father.

Do you see alnorte as White?

I do also.

[Bobby Martnen]

I do also.

Why? He's a triracial Latin American.

[Bobby Martnen]

Well, yes, I see people who are at least 85% European as white.

For me, if you are 7/8 or less of one thing, you are mixed. If you are more than 7/8 of something, you're essentially a fullblood.

[MysteriousWays]

Why? He's a triracial Latin American.

He is 85%+ European and can pass as European easily.

[Bobby Martnen]

He is 85%+ European and can pass as European easily.

His father is from a place that is not culturally Western or European.

[StonyArabia]

I think it's hard to argue that on the whole, Middle Easterners (North Africans, perhaps is an easier case, at least genetically) are a different race from Europeans. Culturally, of course they are different.

Middle Easterners especially those from the Arabian peninsula are very divergent from Europeans and even more so than North Africans, and it's probably due to isolation, and minor East African lineages. Anatolians are closest but they have significant amount of Turkic admixture, then Levantine who have significant Arabian admixture. In reality we are our own group. Bedouins, Saudis, Qataris are very divergent, including significant amount of Iraqis. If you look at Lebanon, Anatolia, ect they are more willing to adopt to Western/European culture, especially the Christians and secularist, but outside this area even the secularist in the Arabian peninsula are not willing to do so. The genetics are also very different, Caucasoid just means skull shape, and even mixed race individuals can have that skull shape.

[Leto]

His father is from a place that is not culturally Western or European.
They are Spanish-speaking Christians though. Predominantly European upper class Latin Americans can be regarded as Western.

[StonyArabia]

It does not matter if the person is culturally European and has minor ancestry from somewhere else, and looks European then he is that, simply. If person is like 3/4 British and 1/4 Qatari, I reckon that person to be mostly European and especially if he is British culturally, otherwise the one drop rule is stupid. I do agree that assimilated Gypsies especially if they have significant European ancestry are such as well like the Romanichals of England. That said the White Latin Americans are culturally Spanish and don't have much Amerindian or African cultural influence , and despite the Amerindian and African admixture, if the person looks White, then he is White lol.

[Bobby Martnen]

They are Spanish-speaking Christians though. Predominantly European upper class Latin Americans can be regarded as Western.

Even the upper class in Latin America has significant non-Western cultural influence, though they are more European than the underclass.

[Bobby Martnen]

It does not matter if the person is culturally European and has minor ancestry from somewhere else, and looks European then he is that, simply. If person is like 3/4 British and 1/4 Qatari, I reckon that person to be mostly European and especially if he is British culturally, otherwise the one drop rule is stupid. I do agree that assimilated Gypsies especially if they have significant European ancestry are such as well like the Romanichals of England. That said the White Latin Americans are culturally Spanish and don't have much Amerindian or African cultural influence , and despite the Amerindian and African admixture, if the person looks White, then he is White lol.

What about Ferdinand Kingsley? 3/4 British, 1/4 Indian

https://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/victoria-s2-ferdinand-kingsley-interview-3200x1800.jpg

alnorte has a triracial Latino father and a White Spanish mother.

[StonyArabia]

What about Ferdinand Kingsley? 3/4 British, 1/4 Indian

https://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/victoria-s2-ferdinand-kingsley-interview-3200x1800.jpg

alnorte has a triracial Latino father and a White Spanish mother.

The British/Indian guy is def White and mostly European and culturally to.

Yeah that's true but he looks White and identifies with Spaniards and Europeans more so than the mixed race people in Latin America. The mix of triracials and Whites often look White though.

[Bobby Martnen]

The British/Indian guy is def White and mostly European and culturally to.

Yeah that's true but he looks White and identifies with Spaniards and Europeans more so than the mixed race people in Latin America. The mix of triracials and Whites often look White though.

I've never seen a photo of him. Does he truly look white, or does he look off-white?

[Leto]

What about Ferdinand Kingsley? 3/4 British, 1/4 Indian

https://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/victoria-s2-ferdinand-kingsley-interview-3200x1800.jpg

He is fully British culturally. As far as I remember, his dad is half Gujarati, half English. Gujaratis are around 60% South Asian on Eurogenes and that component is like half West Eurasian, so Ferdinand Kingsley is less than 10% Australoid. He's basically white.

[Leto]

Yeah that's true but he looks White and identifies with Spaniards and Europeans more so than the mixed race people in Latin America. The mix of triracials and Whites often look White though.
His father is around 75% European, that's more than your average Mexican or Puerto Rican.

[Bobby Martnen]

His father is around 75% European, that's more than your average Mexican or Puerto Rican.

If Cristiano gives me shit for being 3% MENA on AncestryDNA, I'm allowed to give his friend alnorte shit for being 1/8 non-Caucasoid.

[Bobby Martnen]

He is fully British culturally. As far as I remember, his dad is half Gujarati, half English. Gujaratis are around 60% South Asian on Eurogenes and that component is like half West Eurasian, so Ferdinand Kingsley is less than 10% Australoid. He's basically white.

Yeah I like Ben Kingsley and his family. Good actors.

But West Asian and MENA aren't white. Ferdinand Kingsley is 3/4 White, but he's culturally completely British so to me, he's White.

Just like Mortimer's also about 1/4 South Asian, but he's culturally Austrian/Serbian. Mortimer is one of the best people here.

[Leto]

For me, if you are 7/8 or less of one thing, you are mixed. If you are more than 7/8 of something, you're essentially a fullblood.
To me if someone is 3/4 X and 1/4 Y, s/he is basically X. In real life few people care about this small admixture or that atypical phenotype or things like that. If you are 1/4 Armenian and 3/4 Russian and were brought up in Russia speaking Russian, then you are Russian. Only for genetic studies you can be disqualified, 'cause they need four grandparents of the same ethnicity.

[Bobby Martnen]

To me if someone is 3/4 X and 1/4 Y, s/he is basically X. In real life few people care about this small admixture or that atypical phenotype or things like that. If you are 1/4 Armenian and 3/4 Russian and were brought up in Russia speaking Russian, then you are Russian. Only for genetic studies you can be disqualified, 'cause they need four grandparents of the same ethnicity.

I'm a little more of a purist I guess lol

For me, 7/8 is the end of mixed and the beginning of fullblood

[StonyArabia]

His father is around 75% European, that's more than your average Mexican or Puerto Rican.

True, but Puerto Rican and Mexicans when they mix with Whites, even when they are average, the descendants often look off-White, with some even having light hair and eyes but there is something that says there not full Euro, like a vibe or something. I think at 1/4 it gets smaller, but at 1/8th is not that important, even Octroons look White at this point.

[Bobby Martnen]

True, but Puerto Rican and Mexicans when they mix with Whites, even when they are average, the descendants often look off-White, with some even having light hair and eyes but there is something that says there not full Euro, like a vibe or something. I think at 1/4 it gets smaller, but at 1/8th is not that important, even Octroons look White at this point.

To me, any admixture that's 1/8 or more is usually visible.

[Leto]

Yeah I like Ben Kingsley and his family. Good actors.

But West Asian and MENA aren't white. Ferdinand Kingsley is 3/4 White, but he's culturally completely British so to me, he's White.

Just like Mortimer's also about 1/4 South Asian, but he's culturally Austrian/Serbian. Mortimer is one of the best people here.
My point is that the man is like 90% European racially and 3/4 English ethnically. Of course he is white, albeit slightly exotic. He has never lived in India, doesn't speak Gujarati or Hindi and doesn't follow Hinduism. He is "100%" British.

[Bobby Martnen]

My point is that the man is like 90% European racially and 3/4 English ethnically. Of course he is white, albeit slightly exotic. He has never lived in India, doesn't speak Gujarati or Hindi and doesn't follow Hinduism. He is "100%" British.

I see him as being a true Brit, but that doesn't change the fact that he's 1/4 South Asian genetically.

And Indians aren't 60% European racially.

[Leto]

True, but Puerto Rican and Mexicans when they mix with Whites, even when they are average, the descendants often look off-White, with some even having light hair and eyes but there is something that says there not full Euro, like a vibe or something. I think at 1/4 it gets smaller, but at 1/8th is not that important, even Octroons look White at this point.
Puerto Ricans are 60-70% European on average and most Mexicans in the US are over 50% European. So a half PR, half Spaniard from Spain will be similar to Alnortedelsur and half Mexicans, half whites still look whiter than many Arabs, Turks, Kurds and Maghrebis.

[StonyArabia]

Just like Mortimer's also about 1/4 South Asian, but he's culturally Austrian/Serbian. Mortimer is one of the best people here.

He basically is White, but some people are biased toward him because he is of Romani background, he is pretty light, and does not look that exotic, in reality he is just over-weight. He is also very European culturally. I am sure if he married White woman, his children will be European looking and culturally European. He is significantly Southeast European with some South Asian admixture.He is clearly assimilated into European culture, there is nothing Gypsy about him, other than his bloodline. I agree he is good hearted person, unlike the people who bully him on here.

[Bobby Martnen]

He basically is White, but some people are biased toward him because he is of Romani background, he is pretty light, and does not look that exotic, in reality he is just over-weight. He is also very European culturally. I am sure if he married White woman, his children will be European looking and culturally European. He is significantly Southeast European with some South Asian admixture.He is clearly assimilated into European culture, there is nothing Gypsy about him, other than his bloodline. I agree he is good hearted person, unlike the people who bully him on here.

The weight makes him look more exotic. I know that because skinnier me looks more NW Euro than fat me.

[Leto]

I'm a little more of a purist I guess lol

For me, 7/8 is the end of mixed and the beginning of fullblood
I'm talking from a social and cultural perspective. I'm not saying that person is full-blooded or anything like that. But being 75% is more than enough to fully identify with that culture and nation.

3/4 German, 1/4 Turkish. Both parents were born in Germany, both speak German, none is a Muslim, so the guy is "fully" German
http://mediadb.kicker.de/2018/fussball/spieler/xl/79731_76_2017126103911812.jpg

[Leto]

And Indians aren't 60% European racially.
Indians are not European at all. They are not even Middle Eastern. I was saying the Gujaratis are at least 60% West Eurasian, so Ferdinand Kingsley must be around 90% WA and 75% European.

[Bobby Martnen]

3/4 German, 1/4 Turkish.

Is that the Scholl boy? Son of that soccer player?

[Leto]

Is that the Scholl boy? Son of that soccer player?
Yes.

[Bobby Martnen]

Yes.

I don't think he passes in Germany phenotypically.

[Leto]

I don't think he passes in Germany phenotypically.
Come on, boy, you really can't question his whiteness. I think he plots more Northern than like half of Europe. Even his dad looks more German than Turkish.

[StonyArabia]

Puerto Ricans are 60-70% European on average and most Mexicans in the US are over 50% European. So a half PR, half Spaniard from Spain will be similar to Alnortedelsur and half Mexicans, half whites still look whiter than many Arabs, Turks, Kurds and Maghrebis.

Indeed, because they are European significantly, even with their minor Amerind and African ancestry. As for Arabs, only those from the Levant can be compared, as they tend to be light skinned, and among them it's the Syrians who are the lightest Arab speakers the non-Bedouin groups. Maghrebis are pretty divergent even when they are light they have ancient SSA strains. Kurds are often full Caucasoid, but are dark. For Turks I don't know, many Turks can be very European looking even without admixture, especially in certain localities as long they don't have strong elements of Turkmen/Oghuz admixture.

[JohnSmith]

Indeed, because they are European significantly, even with their minor Amerind and African ancestry. As for Arabs, only those from the Levant can be compared, as they tend to be light skinned, and among them it's the Syrians who are the lightest Arab speakers the non-Bedouin groups. Maghrebis are pretty divergent even when they are light they have ancient SSA strains. Kurds are often full Caucasoid, but are dark. For Turks I don't know, many Turks can be very European looking even without admixture, especially in certain localities as long they don't have strong elements of Turkmen/Oghuz admixture.

All are proud people.

[Bobby Martnen]

Come on, boy, you really can't question his whiteness. I think he plots more Northern than like half of Europe. Even his dad looks more German than Turkish.

He definitely plots in Europe, but he doesn't look German. If I had to guess, I'd say Balkan.

[alnortedelsur]

If Cristiano gives me shit for being 3% MENA on AncestryDNA, I'm allowed to give his friend alnorte shit for being 1/8 non-Caucasoid.

As if I will care about it, lol

[Bobby Martnen]

As if I will care about it, lol

When we played tag grade
You wanted to be it
But chasing boys was just a fad
You crossed your heart, you quit

When we grew up, you traded
Your promise for my ring
Just like back in grade school
You're doing the same old thing

Stop! The love you save may be your own
Darling take it slow
Or some day you'll be all alone

Stop! The love you save may be your own
Darling look both ways before you cross me
You're headed for a danger zone

[Anglojew]

A few % SSA (East African) from 2000 years ago & a little Mongoloid from the Khazars.

[Sp_loa]

I have 0% Mongoloid but I do have some North African from my "Berber-Jewish" side. It seems like I'm about 16% Berber and 0% Direct SSA but when there is no Berber category I'm about 2-3% SSA, depends on the calculator (still more than the Sephardic and Moroccan Jewish average). Usually the SSA is only West African and not East African. Funny enough I can be still be modeled as 50% Sameritan + 50% North Italian like Ashkenazim (although many times my closest module is mostly 70-80% Mainland Greek+ 20-30% Algerian/Moroccan) and I still plot with Ashkenazim, Balkan Sephardim, Greek Islanders and Sicilians so I guess my Berber DNA doesn't change a lot of things.

[User50]

A few % SSA (East African) from 2000 years ago & a little Mongoloid from the Khazars.

Seriously? Does anybody actually have Ashkenazi tests with SSA results?


I'd assume any occasional SSA in Ashkenazi is through mixing with Sephardi.

[Aren]

Eastern Mizrahi Jews are the purest for sure.

[Anglojew]

Seriously? Does anybody actually have Ashkenazi tests with SSA results?


I'd assume any occasional SSA in Ashkenazi is through mixing with Sephardi.

Sure:

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373

[Leto]

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373
Interesting. I guess the STRUCTURE estimate is more accurate because I can't believe North Italy is 1.1% SSA on average.
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article/figure/image?size=large&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373.t002

[Levant15]

Interesting. I guess the STRUCTURE estimate is more accurate because I can't believe North Italy is 1.1% SSA on average.
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article/figure/image?size=large&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373.t002This data seems skewed.
I'm closely related to most of these populations yet my ssa admix is small and negligible.

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[Leto]

This data seems skewed.
I'm closely related to most of these populations yet my ssa admix is small and negligible.

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5% SSA is nothing strange for the Levant. See Toppo900's and randomguy1235's results, they are both Palestinians.

[Levant15]

5% SSA is nothing strange for the Levant. See Toppo900's and randomguy1235's results, they are both Palestinians.I see a couple of tests that come up to 5% max for them but nothing close to the 10% they have in the study. The samples could be coming from Gaza.
My results are very close to Toppo900

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[User50]

Sure:

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373


That study has basically been shown to be BS.

[User50]

I see a couple of tests that come up to 5% max for them but nothing close to the 10% they have in the study. The samples could be coming from Gaza.
My results are very close to Toppo900

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Palestinians are the most SSA admixed Levant group.

There is considerable scholarly debate about how the Palestinians originated and exactly who they even are.

[AK-47]

Jews are usually not seen as white, but that's mainly because they don't see themselves as part of the European family. Anyway, most Europeans have some Caucasian or Eastern Mediterranean, so that doesn't really matter whether those components are 'genuinely white' or not.

Here in the USA around 75% of Jews vote Democrat and are far left lunatics, another 10% of Jews in the GOP are RINO leftists destroying the party.
You're correct that those Jews will play the "person of color" card and deploy the wide array of identity politics that they learned on campus.
But in reality, Jews here in NYC overwhelmingly live in segregated neighborhoods and have little use for black and brown people.
Here in Manhattan, nearly all of the buildings in my neighborhood are segregated and most send their kids to private schools to avoid the black and brown kids.

[Anglojew]

Interesting. I guess the STRUCTURE estimate is more accurate because I can't believe North Italy is 1.1% SSA on average.
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article/figure/image?size=large&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373.t002

It's ancient admixture

[AK-47]

My 23andMe results will probably be in tomorrow.
I will post them here.
It's possible, but not highly unlikely, that I have more than trace amounts of Negroid ancestry.
Any SSA in Ashkenazi Jews is ancient, as a community we talk a good game about "diversity" but that is all bullshit and Ashkenazim have seldom mixed with blacks.
The "diversity" BS talk is for the consumption of the Goyim.

[Tauromachos]

Ethiopian Jews are Black Caucasoids with probably some SSA admixture from other Africans

Rest of Jews have very little up to zero SSA is my guess

[StonyArabia]

Ethiopian Jews are Black Caucasoids with probably some SSA admixture from other Africans

Rest of Jews have very little up to zero SSA is my guess

No they have some SSA. A lot of it is ancient though. Ashkenazim are more African shifted than the Portuguese for example, and some also have minor Mongoloid admixture.

[Smeagol]

Ashkenazim are more African shifted than the Portuguese for example

Not really. It's about the same.

[Tauromachos]

No they have some SSA. A lot of it is ancient though. Ashkenazim are more African shifted than the Portuguese for example, and some also have minor Mongoloid admixture.

It makes sense that Semitic people in the Middle East mixed with SSA to some extend in particular South Semitic.

Though a think the basic strain of Semites is and always was Caucasoid people.

The Jews traveld and moved quite alot around in Ancient times they stayed for a significant time in Egypt also so they might have absorbed some
SSA though i think they may have much more influences from Hamitics"Ancient Egyptians" than proper SSA

[User50]

This data seems skewed.
I'm closely related to most of these populations yet my ssa admix is small and negligible.

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Sephardi and Mizrachi almost always have SSA. They mated with the Muslims during the slave trade. And they mostly are from areas like North Africa and Yemen that have especially high nig nog genes.

I have no idea where this idea about Ashkenazis having SSA comes from though. I guess some Ashkenazis might have SSA if they have a Sephardi in their family tree. But that's about it.

[User50]

It makes sense that Semitic people in the Middle East mixed with SSA to some extend in particular South Semitic.

Though a think the basic strain of Semites is and always was Caucasoid people.

The Jews traveld and moved quite alot around in Ancient times they stayed for a significant time in Egypt also so they might have absorbed some
SSA though i think they may have much more influences from Hamitics"Ancient Egyptians" than proper SSA

The stories about the Jews in Egypt are a myth.

[Leto]

My 23andMe results will probably be in tomorrow.
I will post them here.
It's possible, but not highly unlikely, that I have more than trace amounts of Negroid ancestry.
Any SSA in Ashkenazi Jews is ancient, as a community we talk a good game about "diversity" but that is all bullshit and Ashkenazim have seldom mixed with blacks.
The "diversity" BS talk is for the consumption of the Goyim.
Why did you create a sockpuppet?

[Levant15]

Palestinians are the most SSA admixed Levant group.

There is considerable scholarly debate about how the Palestinians originated and exactly who they even are. No offense to jews at all in this post.
Those scholarly debates are nothing but zionists propaganda to justify Israel's land grabbing. It's funny that those people say the land was vacant and uninhabitable before jews started coming.
I believe the Palestinian are the same people that have been living there for a long time.
Are they more admixed by new comers? Sure ... It doesn't mean they were transplanted from Saudi Arabia and Egypt like some say.


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