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MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 07:55 PM
Hello. I've made this map using Puntdnal k12 calculator spreadsheet. The map is painted according to countries' biggest components :)

It is interesting because there is more or less a genetic continuity in Mediterrenean (except for some outliers) :)

When I traveled Med countries I felt at home, very similar architectures, faces, music. genetics also confirms this. :)


Orange: biggest component is Near East
Light Green: biggest component is Anatolia Neolithic Farmers which a mediterrenean neolithic component :)
Blue: biggest component is European Hunter Gatherer
Green: biggest component is Caucasus Hunter Gatherer
http://4.1m.yt/4huZLw1.png (http://4.1m.yt/4huZLw1.png)

RN97
05-21-2017, 08:02 PM
You're Lebanese and you traveled to southern Europe where you didn't see any difference between Lebanese and s. Euros??
Yeah right....

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:05 PM
You're Lebanese and you traveled to southern Europe where you didn't see any difference between Lebanese and s. Euros??
Yeah right....

I have travelled many mediterenean countries :)

Italy, Greece, Lebanon, Tunisia, Spain, Morocco and Croatia. No one noticed me even in non-touristic areas, they spoke to me in their native languages :) the only country I felt a bit stranger was Croatia. They are a bit different. :)

But other countries are very similar. :)

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:09 PM
I think Mediterrenean people are the best looking people. You can find light skinned mediterreneans, tanned mediterreneans, light eyed etc. :) very beautiful people

Kriptc06
05-21-2017, 08:14 PM
My punt dnal k12
# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_NF 32.2
2 European_HG 21.11
3 Caucasus_HG 13.79
4 Amerindian 11.83
5 Sub-Saharan 10.14
6 Near_East 6.81
7 East_Asian 1.81
8 Siberian 1.26
9 South_African_HG 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.35
11 South_Asian 0.1


I believe the Siberian and East Asian are correct 1, 2% is expected

RN97
05-21-2017, 08:16 PM
I think Mediterrenean people are the best looking people. You can find light skinned mediterreneans, tanned mediterreneans, light eyed etc. :) very beautiful people

Do a classify thread. I don't believe you went unnoticed in southern Europe.

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:16 PM
Greece
https://peripateticbone.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/img_1818-copy-2.jpg

Malta
http://fsmproperties.net/admin/hotPropGallery/images/galImage_13571168080.jpg

Lebanon
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/24/a1/1d/24a11d5588a178cd61d121bd0ba8172b.jpg





Very similar :)

Grishnack
05-21-2017, 08:18 PM
EHG, but I don't know by how much.

Voskos
05-21-2017, 08:18 PM
is it true that maronites dont eat pork? some lebanese guy told me that but i think he was just pretending to be a maronite...

ariel
05-21-2017, 08:21 PM
is it true that maronites dont eat pork? some lebanese guy told me that but i think he was just pretending to be a maronite...

Christian of thd holy land dont eat pork only in nazareth where they were majority in the past they eat pork this city famous about the spicy pork sausage...

RN97
05-21-2017, 08:21 PM
EHG, but I don't know by how much.

Not true. It depends on what you want to consider a component, but I'm pretty sure in Romania it is either basal or EEF.

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:22 PM
Do a classify thread. I don't believe you went unnoticed in southern Europe.

Why would I lie? They all spoke to me in their native languages :) Only in Croatia people noticed I am tourist and spoke to me in English.




is it true that maronites dont eat pork? some lebanese guy told me that but i think he was just pretending to be a maronite...
Well pork was not really a part of Maronite cuisine, it has nothing to do with religion. But younger generations don't care, they eat everything :)

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:24 PM
Christian of thd holy land dont eat pork only in nazareth where they were majority in the past they eat pork this city famous about the spicy pork sausage...

Are you from israel my friend? :)

Israel is Mediterrenean country too. I like Israel people :)

RN97
05-21-2017, 08:26 PM
Are you from israel my friend? :)

Israel is Mediterrenean country too. I like Israel people :)

You have troll written all over you fam.

brennus dux gallorum
05-21-2017, 08:27 PM
Genetically, Greece is equidistant to Lebanese and countries like Scandinavia, where the hell did you see the similarities, yes we share the same sea but we are Europe, Lebanon is middle east

Shah-Jehan
05-21-2017, 08:27 PM
Nice avatar
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=18146&dateline=1495397543

ariel
05-21-2017, 08:28 PM
Are you from israel my friend? :)

Israel is Mediterrenean country too. I like Israel people :)

Yes im from israel. I like christian lebanese too :thumb001:

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:28 PM
You have troll written all over you fam.

No. You can ask anthroscape members. They know me too. I'm a regular member of Anthroscape.

Grishnack
05-21-2017, 08:29 PM
Not true. It depends on what you want to consider a component, but I'm pretty sure in Romania it is either basal or EEF.

Can you link me to a database or something? I'm quite curious.

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:30 PM
Genetically, Greece is equidistant to Lebanese and countries like Scandinavia, where the hell did you see the similarities, yes we share the same sea but we are Europe, Lebanon is middle east

I did not say they are all same :) but architecture, climate, sea, faces are very similar. :) Of course Greece is in Europa.

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:33 PM
My punt dnal k12
# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_NF 32.2
2 European_HG 21.11
3 Caucasus_HG 13.79
4 Amerindian 11.83
5 Sub-Saharan 10.14
6 Near_East 6.81
7 East_Asian 1.81
8 Siberian 1.26
9 South_African_HG 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.35
11 South_Asian 0.1


I believe the Siberian and East Asian are correct 1, 2% is expected

Good results :)

I guess your ancestry is mostly Iberian right? Because neolithic is biggest component in your resutls

brennus dux gallorum
05-21-2017, 08:34 PM
I did not say they are all same :) but architecture, climate, sea, faces are very similar. :) Of course Greece is in Europa.

My opinion is not exactly that, but anyway, you seem to be a good guy, something rare in this forum

Anyway, you should know that Greeks usually over 70% European, Lebanese less than 50%

RN97
05-21-2017, 08:36 PM
Can you link me to a database or something? I'm quite curious.

It's hard to find one that actually test for it, but it's quite clear that if you want to divide components into three (meaning Basal Eurasian, ANE and WHG) Romanians would probably get
1. Basal Eurasian
2. WHG
3. ANE.
Keep in mind that EHG is like 1/3 WHG according to a reasonable theory. EEF is around 30-35% WHG + rest Basal. I didn't mean that Romanians are composed 50+% of Basal. Romanians are probably around 34-40% basal, the rest is European HG composed of a mix of ANE and WHG (Which is EHG) and WHG which is "pure" WHG. I don't even think that Sicilians are 50+% basal, they're a bit below as well.

Kelmendasi
05-21-2017, 08:39 PM
It's hard to find one that actually test for it, but it's quite clear that if you want to divide components into three (meaning Basal Eurasian, ANE and WHG) Romanians would probably get
1. Basal Eurasian
2. WHG
3. ANE.
Keep in mind that EHG is like 1/3 WHG according to a reasonable theory. EEF is around 30-35% WHG + rest Basal. I didn't mean that Romanians are composed 50+% of Basal. Romanians are probably around 34-40% basal, the rest is European HG composed of a mix of ANE and WHG (Which is EHG) and WHG which is "pure" WHG. I don't even think that Sicilians are 50+% basal, they're a bit below as well.
On Ftdna's ancient origin calculator I would wager that Romanians would get Neolithic as the highest

Freeroostah
05-21-2017, 08:40 PM
Greece
https://peripateticbone.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/img_1818-copy-2.jpg

Malta
http://fsmproperties.net/admin/hotPropGallery/images/galImage_13571168080.jpg

Lebanon
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/24/a1/1d/24a11d5588a178cd61d121bd0ba8172b.jpg





Very similar :)

Proud of my Med Heritage!!! :cool:

Lavrentis
05-21-2017, 08:41 PM
Greece
https://peripateticbone.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/img_1818-copy-2.jpg

Malta
http://fsmproperties.net/admin/hotPropGallery/images/galImage_13571168080.jpg

Lebanon
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/24/a1/1d/24a11d5588a178cd61d121bd0ba8172b.jpg





Very similar :)

Not similar at all. You post some Greek island and then you post some Lebanese beach and call it similar?

Kelmendasi
05-21-2017, 08:42 PM
Neolithic farmer is the highest component among Albanians HG comes after that

Lavrentis
05-21-2017, 08:45 PM
You're Lebanese and you traveled to southern Europe where you didn't see any difference between Lebanese and s. Euros??
Yeah right....

Middle Easterners, especially Turks say things like that. They desperately want to associate themselves with Europe so they claim to have similarities with south European countries, when they know very well that's not the case.

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:46 PM
Not similar at all. You post some Greek island and then you post some Lebanese beach and call it similar?

I have many photos in my phone from my trip. I will post them. Very similar places, faces, shores, architecture. Greece is a very beautiful country :)

brennus dux gallorum
05-21-2017, 08:51 PM
I have many photos in my phone from my trip. I will post them. Very similar places, faces, shores, architecture. Greece is a very beautiful country :)

Greece is indeed beautiful and Mediterranean, but different from the middle east :)

The same, to a higher degree goes for faces

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 08:54 PM
Greece is indeed beautiful and Mediterranean, but different from the middle east :)

The same, to a higher degree goes for faces

middle east is very heterogenous. there is no such thing as middle eastern in my opinion. too heterogeneus and different

brennus dux gallorum
05-21-2017, 08:58 PM
middle east is very heterogenous. there is no such thing as middle eastern in my opinion. too heterogeneus and different

In that case I will agree, the Levant is not like Arabian Peninsula, and I guess Christians are even more different from the stereotypical Arab

But would you agree that, for example, your folk music is belly dance and your architecture the traditional moorish?

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 09:02 PM
In that case I will agree, the Levant is not like Arabian Peninsula, and I guess Christians are even more different from the stereotypical Arab

But would you agree that, for example, your folk music is belly dance and your architecture the traditional moorish?

Moor architecture is a bit different. our folk dance is not belly dance, it is different

brennus dux gallorum
05-21-2017, 09:07 PM
Moor architecture is a bit different. our folk dance is not belly dance, it is different

OK,then I have to partially reconsider,thanks for the info :)

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 09:15 PM
Mediterrenean woman eating fruit. she can pass in every mediterrenean country as I think :)
https://cdn.authoritynutrition.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/young-woman-eating-green-grapes.jpg

Figaro
05-21-2017, 09:18 PM
You're forgetting Steppe-ids in your poll. :)

Sikeliot
05-21-2017, 09:19 PM
Greeks don't even look fully Mediterranean, they look closer to people in Bulgaria and central Italy than to anyone else.

Kriptc06
05-21-2017, 09:20 PM
edit

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 09:22 PM
Greeks don't even look fully Mediterranean, they look closer to people in Bulgaria and central Italy than to anyone else.

they look close to italians. but not to bulgarians as i think

The Destroyer
05-21-2017, 09:23 PM
Any idea why there is no data for Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro? Now it's pretty much a mystery if those are European Hunter Gatherer or Anatolian Neolithic Farmer.

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 09:25 PM
Any idea why there is no data for Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro? Now it's pretty much a mystery if those are European Hunter Gatherer or Anatolian Neolithic Farmer.

they are not in spreadsheet unfortunately. croats are in spreadsheet :)

What do you think, is your country more neolithic or more european hunter gatherer?

Sikeliot
05-21-2017, 09:25 PM
they look close to italians. but not to bulgarians as i think

They do. People in the northern 2/3 of Greece look closer to Bulgarian than to Italian.

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 09:27 PM
They do. People in the northern 2/3 of Greece look closer to Bulgarian than to Italian.

i see greek results. they get italians, bulgarians are usually not in top 10

Sikeliot
05-21-2017, 09:28 PM
i see greek results. they get italians, bulgarians are usually not in top 10

Then you only saw islanders.

oszkar07
05-21-2017, 09:31 PM
Hungarian/British
Punt k12
Admix Results (sorted):




# Population Percent
1 European_HG 41.75
2 Anatolian_NF 35.7
3 Caucasus_HG 19.78
4 Siberian 1.78
5 Beringian 0.98
6 Near_East 0.01

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 09:35 PM
Then you only saw islanders.
they don't cluster with bulgarians. they cluster with mediterrenean peoples
http://s22.postimg.org/64lijqhu9/pca12.png

Sikeliot
05-21-2017, 09:40 PM
Thessaly and everything north of it would be closer to Bulgarians. Measure the distance from Thessaly to Bulgaria, then to South Italy on that chart and you'll see which it is closer to.

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 09:42 PM
Thessaly and everything north of it would be closer to Bulgarians. Measure the distance from Thessaly to Bulgaria, then to South Italy on that chart and you'll see which it is closer to.

greek = greek mainland average so it more important

Tietar
05-21-2017, 09:44 PM
Unfortunately the similarities did not reach the brain

http://www.devilsdictionaries.com/uploads/2/7/3/8/27389329/319972_orig.jpg

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 09:47 PM
Unfortunately the similarities did not reach the brain

http://www.devilsdictionaries.com/uploads/2/7/3/8/27389329/319972_orig.jpg

it is proven these maps are very inaccurate.. they choose educated individuals in some countries and uneducated individuals in other countries.

brennus dux gallorum
05-21-2017, 09:48 PM
Thessaly and everything north of it would be closer to Bulgarians. Measure the distance from Thessaly to Bulgaria, then to South Italy on that chart and you'll see which it is closer to.

Tuscany is more stereotypically Italy than Sicily is

Thessaly is genetically closer to Tuscany than to Bulgaria, which means closer to Italy

Tietar
05-21-2017, 09:50 PM
it is proven these maps are very inaccurate.. they choose educated individuals in some countries and uneducated individuals in other countries.

Scientific publications also choose their authors?

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Science-output-per-capita.png

Sikeliot
05-21-2017, 09:56 PM
Tuscany is more stereotypically Italy than Sicily is

Thessaly is genetically closer to Tuscany than to Bulgaria, which means closer to Italy

Thessalians have the most WHG in Greece but they have more NE European than Tuscans do, so they might be like an eastern version of Tuscans.

MedBreeze
05-21-2017, 09:56 PM
Scientific publications also choose their authors?

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Science-output-per-capita.png

it is based on educated population. poor populations have less educated people. what does it have to do with this genetic thread?

Tietar
05-21-2017, 10:04 PM
it is based on educated population. poor populations have less educated people. what does it have to do with this genetic thread?

The same as these two guys, nothing

http://webstorage.mediaon.it/media/2010/10/173442_561280_MAROCCHINO_10201214_medium.jpg

http://mediasetstatic-a.akamaihd.net/telemania/Xavier-Sarda_MDSIMA20150715_0205_9.jpg

The Destroyer
05-21-2017, 10:05 PM
they are not in spreadsheet unfortunately. croats are in spreadsheet :)

What do you think, is your country more neolithic or more european hunter gatherer?

Judging by Y-DNA haplogroups, mesolithic ones (different versions of I) are the majority. Not sure if that's a 100% reliable source though.
EDIT: This means I suppose European hunter gatherers are the majority.

brennus dux gallorum
05-21-2017, 10:12 PM
Thessalians have the most WHG in Greece but they have more NE European than Tuscans do, so they might be like an eastern version of Tuscans.

Exactly but the point is the same, that they are significantly closer to an Italian population than to Bulgaria

Sebastianus Rex
05-21-2017, 10:56 PM
it is proven these maps are very inaccurate.. they choose educated individuals in some countries and uneducated individuals in other countries.

Ignore the uneducated meatheads around here (you will encounter many - roughly 95% of the users), internet surfing is all they know about the World, I've met many christian Lebanese in Brazil, Argentina and France and they are always a highly sucessful community excelling in business and many high IQ fields.

Potentia
05-21-2017, 11:11 PM
Glory be to the Mediterranean Race.

The.Mask
05-21-2017, 11:20 PM
Tuscany is more stereotypically Italy than Sicily is

Thessaly is genetically closer to Tuscany than to Bulgaria, which means closer to Italy
What a dump Greek speaking vlach you are.

You really believe that thessaly is closer to tuscany than Bulgaria genetically? ??

In what parallel university you live vlach from thessaly?

Myanthropologies
05-21-2017, 11:40 PM
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer

Myanthropologies
05-21-2017, 11:51 PM
My friend dates a Greek girl from Thessaloniki who's really cool. I see photos of her friends in Greece on Facebook all the time and they definitely don't look Lebanese or Middle Eastern to me, though a few did. The most common looks was medium brown hair or black hair, with pale pinkish skin and dark eyes as well, though some have colored eyes and hair too. I want to visit both Lebanon and Greece one day though hopefully. Both are beautiful countries with beautiful people and what looks like amazing food and scenery.

Sikeliot
05-22-2017, 12:02 AM
My friend dates a Greek girl from Thessaloniki who's really cool. I see photos of her friends in Greece on Facebook all the time and they definitely don't look Lebanese or Middle Eastern to me, though a few did. The most common looks was medium brown hair or black hair, with pale pinkish skin and dark eyes as well, though some have colored eyes and hair too.

What did they look like though? More Bulgarian/Albanian/"Balkan" or more Sicilian and southern Italian? Or something else entirely?

kantez
05-22-2017, 01:15 AM
What a dump Greek speaking vlach you are.

You really believe that thessaly is closer to tuscany than Bulgaria genetically? ??

In what parallel university you live vlach from thessaly?

Still less Slavic than Vlachland aka Toskoria South Albanania.

firemonkey
05-22-2017, 01:24 AM
Mine

1 European_HG 42.62
2 Anatolian_NF 33.26
3 Caucasus_HG 18.99


My father's

1 European_HG 41.32
2 Anatolian_NF 35.42
3 Caucasus_HG 19.92

Lucas
05-22-2017, 07:48 AM
.....

brennus dux gallorum
05-22-2017, 08:46 AM
What a dump Greek speaking vlach you are.

You really believe that thessaly is closer to tuscany than Bulgaria genetically? ??

In what parallel university you live vlach from thessaly?
I am not going to waste my time with a retarded from an Islamic sithole which is in love with Greece, the same time that Greeks don't care about them

If you are interested in thessalian genetics you can find plenty of info in the net, in all sources thessaly overlaps tuscany and it's distant from Bulgaria

BTW I have not any vlach ancestry

Ps, will you ever stop wasting time of Greeks, can't you see that we are two different worlds and that we simply have more interesting things to do than caring about the existence of the most isolated country in the world?

Hadouken
05-22-2017, 08:49 AM
# Population Percent

1 Caucasus_HG 40.69
2 Anatolian_NF 25.04
3 Near_East 15.06
4 European_HG 7.55
5 South_Asian 6.64
6 East_Asian 2.37
7 Amerindian 1.35
8 Sub-Saharan 0.78
9 Siberian 0.52

LoLeL
05-22-2017, 09:38 AM
The high CHG admixture of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan surprised me. Is CHG high in other Central Asian countries and Pakistan?

Enflamme
05-22-2017, 09:57 AM
Hello. I've made this map using Puntdnal k12 calculator spreadsheet. The map is painted according to countries' biggest components :)

It is interesting because there is more or less a genetic continuity in Mediterrenean (except for some outliers) :)

When I traveled Med countries I felt at home, very similar architectures, faces, music. genetics also confirms this. :)


Orange: biggest component is Near East
Light Green: biggest component is Anatolia Neolithic Farmers which a mediterrenean neolithic component :)
Blue: biggest component is European Hunter Gatherer
Green: biggest component is Caucasus Hunter Gatherer
http://4.1m.yt/4huZLw1.png (http://4.1m.yt/4huZLw1.png)

Fake make and your are not European but a extra-european triracial.

According to Cosmoo, you are a kind of very specific idiot:

"Lmao. They also have big SSA component.

Never argue with those calculator genotards, they are just too dumb for logical argumentation"

Hadouken
05-22-2017, 10:00 AM
Fake make and your are not European but a extra-european triracial.

According to Cosmoo, you are a kind of very specific idiot:

"Lmao. They also have big SSA component.

Never argue with those calculator genotards, they are just too dumb for logical argumentation"

it just means that the anatolian_nf component is what they score the most . of course the other components are different . for example an italian will not score ssa but the moroccan does in a decent amount and the moroccan will not score the high european_hg that the italian does etc

therefore on has to look at all the components scored

Seya
05-22-2017, 10:11 AM
u are obsessively posting that map everywhere since yesterday. but ok..on topic..i don't know the main component of all romanians now but mine in Anatolian_NF

Lucas
05-22-2017, 10:55 AM
In short time I made such maps for all Eurogenes calcs:)

Ibericus
05-22-2017, 11:38 AM
Hello. I've made this map using Puntdnal k12 calculator spreadsheet. The map is painted according to countries' biggest components :)

It is interesting because there is more or less a genetic continuity in Mediterrenean (except for some outliers) :)

When I traveled Med countries I felt at home, very similar architectures, faces, music. genetics also confirms this. :)


Orange: biggest component is Near East
Light Green: biggest component is Anatolia Neolithic Farmers which a mediterrenean neolithic component :)
Blue: biggest component is European Hunter Gatherer
Green: biggest component is Caucasus Hunter Gatherer
http://4.1m.yt/4huZLw1.png (http://4.1m.yt/4huZLw1.png)
This is a very simplistic approach because you are only taking in account one component. There is no genetic continuity.

wvwvw
05-22-2017, 11:43 AM
Greeks don't even look fully Mediterranean, they look closer to people in Bulgaria and central Italy than to anyone else.

By the same reasoning no mediterranean country look fully Mediterranean :rolleyes: whatever you now mean by mediterranean.

wvwvw
05-22-2017, 11:52 AM
I have travelled many mediterenean countries :)

Italy, Greece, Lebanon, Tunisia, Spain, Morocco and Croatia. No one noticed me even in non-touristic areas, they spoke to me in their native languages :) the only country I felt a bit stranger was Croatia. They are a bit different. :)

But other countries are very similar. :)

Depends a Moroccan would be noticed anywhere in Southern Europe, a Lebanese maybe not so much

wvwvw
05-22-2017, 12:03 PM
Greece is indeed beautiful and Mediterranean, but different from the middle east :)

The same, to a higher degree goes for faces

We are all different, with the same reasoning Lebanon is also different from say Iraq or Egypt.

Saying we have similarities doesn't mean we are "the same".

Lucas
05-22-2017, 12:09 PM
This is a very simplistic approach because you are only taking in account one component. There is no genetic continuity.

You know. In such perspective Lebanon is on the same level as Bulgaria or Portugal:) For somebody who want to be more Euro is a great opportunity to whitewash himself.

brennus dux gallorum
05-22-2017, 12:10 PM
We are all different, with the same reasoning Lebanon is also different from say Iraq or Egypt.

Saying we have similarities doesn't mean we are "the same".

Limited similarities between south Europe and extremely northern Levant may exist.

Percivalle
05-22-2017, 12:36 PM
You know. In such perspective Lebanon is on the same level as Bulgaria or Portugal:) For somebody who want to be more Euro is a great opportunity to whitewash himself.

I met a group of Lebanese students at the university (one of them also have French ancestry), with some of them I attended the same course for over a year. Lebanese from Lebanon don't whitewash themselves, I've never heard them trying to link themselves to Southern Europe or to Europe more generally. Assuming that OP is really what he states to be (but I really doubt it), it's something that is born in the United States.

wvwvw
05-22-2017, 12:47 PM
I met a group of Lebanese students at the university (one of them also have French ancestry), with some of them I attended the same course for over a year. Lebanese from Lebanon don't whitewash themselves, I've never heard them trying to link themselves to Southern Europe or to Europe more generally. Assuming that OP is really what he states to be (but I really doubt it), it's something that is born in the United States.

The Christians do try to link themselves to Europe and their pre-Arab past and they are also friendlier to Greeks and other Southern Europeans. While the Muslims self identify as Lebanese Arab first and foremost and see Southern Europeans as alien or they gloat over the Balkan or Iberian conquest by Arabs/Turks.

Muslims try to link the Ottoman period of Greece with Lebanon, and so do Turks as you noticed in this forum. These people can't help themselves say demeaning things about our culture, all the while trying to link themselves to us, so that people don't see their moral, cultural, historical and civilizational inferiority to us when the two of us are contrasted.

Percivalle
05-22-2017, 12:55 PM
The Christians do try to link themselves to Europe and their pre-Arab past and they are also friendlier to Greeks and other Southern Europeans. While the Muslims self identify as Lebanese Arab first and foremost and see Southern Europeans as alien or they gloat over the Balkan or Iberian conquest by Arabs/Turks.

Muslims try to link the Ottoman period of Greece with Lebanon, and so do Turks when they try to link Greece to Turkey.

Somewhat culturally to distance themselves from the others, but not more than that. Never heard "Lebanon is the same of southern Europe".

Lucas
05-22-2017, 01:18 PM
Sorry for ruin OP dreams. Here is dendrogram based on ALL components of Puntdnal k12��
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/arkusze/Puntdnak-k12-modern/cosine.jpg

Mds
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/arkusze/Puntdnak-k12-modern/mds.jpg

Lucas
05-22-2017, 01:20 PM
Where is Lebanon?


Don't call "genetic map" something based on only majority of one component. It doesn't tell anything meaningfull as you see.


Every multidimensional plot destroys such pointless bullshit

wvwvw
05-22-2017, 01:23 PM
Where is Lebanon?:cool:

With other Levantines

wvwvw
05-22-2017, 01:32 PM
Somewhat culturally to distance themselves from the others, but not more than that. Never heard "Lebanon is the same of southern Europe".

Ok but he didn't say such a thing. Obviously Lebanon is not located in Europe but it has millenia old ties with Southern Europe. Lebanese history does not begin with the Arabs. Europe itself is the name of a Greek Princess of Phoenicia, descendant of Io, since Phoenicia used to be a Greek colony. What we call Phoenicians comprised of different people some of who were Phillistines who were Greeks. Both Greeks and Canaites were Phoenicians so in a way the Lebanese are linked to us genetically and historically. The Hellenistic period of Lebanon dwarfs the Arab.

MedBreeze
05-22-2017, 09:48 PM
Where is Lebanon?


Don't call "genetic map" something based on only majority of one component. It doesn't tell anything meaningfull as you see.


Isn't it interesting that after thousands of years neolithic is the main component in most mediterrenean countries.
of course they also have other influences, but what shapes their phenotype is the main component, which is neolithic. :)

best regards, MedBreeze

MedBreeze
05-22-2017, 09:49 PM
This is a very simplistic approach because you are only taking in account one component. There is no genetic continuity.

You can't say that, even after thousands of years this neolithic component is still dominant in these mediterrenean countries.

there is continuity as i think :)

regards
MedBreeze

MedBreeze
05-22-2017, 09:51 PM
there is some misunderstanding as i think, i do not say they are all same. but neolithic is still the biggest component in these countries, which is very interesting. :)

regards
MedBreeze

Carlito's Way
05-23-2017, 03:21 AM
I have travelled many mediterenean countries :)

Italy, Greece, Lebanon, Tunisia, Spain, Morocco and Croatia. No one noticed me even in non-touristic areas, they spoke to me in their native languages :) the only country I felt a bit stranger was Croatia. They are a bit different. :)

But other countries are very similar. :)

nigga, even the blackest man will get spoken to in the native language he visits in Europe LOL
ive seen videos of Swedish tourist in Italy being spoken to in Italian
I also a video of some Czech Republic blonde mami being spoken to in Portuguese
my girlfriend who traveled to Italy and is half black was also spoken to in only Italian and she looks nothing like an Italian girl at all


so my nigga stop wetting your panties with yo stupid as shit
i was spoken to in Germany and Dutch when I traveled to those countries and I look NOTHING like those people

Hadouken
05-23-2017, 06:38 AM
http://troll.me/images/ronald-mcdonald-call/hello-phaggot-police-the-op-is-loose-again.jpg

Tietar
05-23-2017, 08:09 AM
I have travelled many mediterenean countries :)

Italy, Greece, Lebanon, Tunisia, Spain, Morocco and Croatia. No one noticed me even in non-touristic areas, they spoke to me in their native languages :)

People speak to the immigrant in the local language, it does not matter if he is African, American, or Asiatic

What language do you expect them to speak to you in English?

MedBreeze
05-23-2017, 11:40 AM
People speak to the immigrant in the local language, it does not matter if he is African, American, or Asiatic

What language do you expect them to speak to you in English?

They thought I'm one of them, not tourist.

Regards
MedBreeze

Tietar
05-23-2017, 12:18 PM
They thought I'm one of them, not tourist.

Many Lebanese can pass as Europeans.

https://tce-live2.s3.amazonaws.com/media/media/afbb6c7e-3f06-4b6b-9d01-4d6c3fa05c20.jpg

But that has nothing to do with that ridiculous map

MedBreeze
05-23-2017, 12:46 PM
Many Lebanese can pass as Europeans.

https://tce-live2.s3.amazonaws.com/media/media/afbb6c7e-3f06-4b6b-9d01-4d6c3fa05c20.jpg

But that has nothing to do with that ridiculous map

This man was half Chinese as i think

regards
MedBreeze

user_
05-23-2017, 12:57 PM
Does Uzbekistan really scores such high Caucasus HG?

MedBreeze
05-23-2017, 12:59 PM
Does Uzbekistan really scores such high Caucasus HG?

yes it is the biggest component in uzbekistan

regards
MedBreeze

user_
05-23-2017, 01:19 PM
yes it is the biggest component in uzbekistan

regards
MedBreeze

Good.
Long live Georgian-Uzbek brotherhood!
Kyrgyzs are also our brothers?

MedBreeze
05-23-2017, 02:39 PM
Good.
Long live Georgian-Uzbek brotherhood!
Kyrgyzs are also our brothers?

no data about kyrgysztan in spreadsheet.

best regards
MedBreeze

Cristiano viejo
05-23-2017, 03:20 PM
Why would I lie? They all spoke to me in their native languages :) Only in Croatia people noticed I am tourist and spoke to me in English.


Spanish people would speak in Spanish even to a black, just saying.
Where have you been in Spain?

MedBreeze
05-23-2017, 03:21 PM
Spanish people would speak in Spanish even to a black, just saying.
Where have you been in Spain?

Barcelona. very beautiful city.


Regards.
MedBreeze

Myanthropologies
05-23-2017, 06:23 PM
What did they look like though? More Bulgarian/Albanian/"Balkan" or more Sicilian and southern Italian? Or something else entirely?

Albanian/Bulgarian like, but also a lot of Italian looking people too. There were also some czech, polish and mena looking people in the minority as well.

Voskos
05-29-2017, 08:26 PM
who banned the guy?

Kelmendasi
05-29-2017, 08:33 PM
who banned the guy?
Sikeliot

Kelmendasi
05-29-2017, 08:35 PM
He was actually Roberto Grande

Voskos
05-29-2017, 08:37 PM
He was actually Roberto Grande

i doubt, he knew too much stuff about the levant

Kelmendasi
05-29-2017, 08:40 PM
i doubt, he knew too much stuff about the levant
He was according to Sikeliot. He didn't know all that much tbh except from a few things

Shahqulu
05-29-2017, 08:48 PM
CHG I guess

Shahqulu
05-29-2017, 08:55 PM
By the way, it does not mean the countries with same (biggest) component form a genetic cluster. There are also other components that make a BIG difference.


The bigger a component the bigger its impact on phenotype, tho.

Voskos
05-29-2017, 09:05 PM
Biggest in my region is Anatolia neolithic then Caucasus hunter gatherer