Closest to a Canary Islander

[Isleño]

Which group do you think is genetically the closest to a Canary Islander? And why?



Madeira
Azores
Iberian Spain
Iberian Portugal
White Caribbean Latinos
Sardinians

[Isleño]

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[Tooting Carmen]

Madeirans?

[JMack]

Why did you excluded coastal North Africans?

I'm not trolling, just curious.

[Isleño]

Madeirans?
This is my guess also.

[Isleño]

Why did you excluded coastal North Africans?

I'm not trolling, just curious.
Yes, I could have put that. I guess in my mind I see Canarians as a majority Iberian people with North African admixture rather than North Africans with Iberian admixture. Most Canarians are like the former rather than the latter.

[Isleño]

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[pmv74]

Which group do you think is genetically the closest to a Canary Islander? And why?



Madeira
Azores
Iberian Spain
Iberian Portugal
White Caribbean Latinos
Sardinians



Madeira just because it's physically closest


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[Isleño]

Madeira just because it's physically closest


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWell from what I can tell, Canarians are closest genetically to Madeirans. Majority Iberian stock with North African admixture.

[Damião de Góis]

I don't see why Madeira should be especially close. Non-guanche canarians should be closer to spaniards who populated the islands.

[Isleño]

I don't see why Madeira should be especially close. Non-guanche canarians should be closer to spaniards who populated the islands.

This is true. I think since there is a range of Canarians, I think there could be some more like Iberians and some more like Madeirans. But then there are some Iberians with 0% North African DNA and some with as high as 7% in western Iberia (or as high as 16% for Pasiegos) so Iberians could be held to similar standards. But I agree.

[Dominicanese]

i voted for both iberian spanish and caribbean latinos

but i have to say that some madeirans look very similar to us and canary islanders

[Isleño]

i voted for both iberian spanish and caribbean latinos

but i have to say that some madeirans look very similar to us and canary islanders
Well here's the thing... many Caribbean Latin Americans are very Canarian, even some white Caribbeans are full or near full Canarian. Madeirans often have genetic profiles very similar to Canarians. And there are even some of the more exotic Iberians that are are even genetically similar to some of the most Iberian Canarians (however, there are a minority of Canarians that are fully Iberian with no Guanche blood) so really it could be any of those groups.

[Dominicanese]

Well here's the thing... many Caribbean Latin Americans are very Canarian, even some white Caribbeans are full or near full Canarian. Madeirans often have genetic profiles very similar to Canarians. And there are even some of the more exotic Iberians that are are even genetically similar to some of the most Iberian Canarians (however, there are a minority of Canarians that are fully Iberian with no Guanche blood) so really it could be any of those groups.

i would say caribbean latinos the highest cause mainland spain doesnt have as much connections with the caribbean than that of los canarios, not saying we didnt have any mainland spaniards but that the canarians dominate i think, especially during the 17th & 18th century they basically deluted the mainland spaniards at the time which the early days of the colonial era in the spanish caribbean was mostly andaluzian which is also not that different from canarians adding more to the canarian contribution. However, this not ignoring the other ethniticies or races.

i was just watching these videos of canarians and it reminded me of cubans alot and DR too (but we'er not white enough but i do see the where the euro comes from exactly on these)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CexEk1cG7k

other videos i saw of him, i saw a couple of guys who reminded me of my home and especially my town in Jarabacoa, DR which is in the la vega providence where the whislte language was once used

[Isleño]

i would say caribbean latinos the highest cause mainland spain doesnt have as much connections with the caribbean than that of los canarios, not saying we didnt have any mainland spaniards but that the canarians dominate i think, especially during the 17th & 18th century they basically deluted the mainland spaniards at the time which the early days of the colonial era in the spanish caribbean was mostly andaluzian which is also not that different from canarians adding more to the canarian contribution. However, this not ignoring the other ethniticies or races.

i was just watching these videos of canarians and it reminded me of cubans alot and DR too (but we'er not white enough but i do see the where the euro comes from exactly on these)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CexEk1cG7k

other videos i saw of him, i saw a couple of guys who reminded me of my home and especially my town in Jarabacoa, DR which is in the la vega providence where the whislte language was once usedWell many Cubans descend from Canarians fully or mainly. But I think maybe lots of white Cubans are a mix of Canarian, Galician, Asturias and Andalusian. Dominicans have a large Canarian input (along with other Spaniards) but the West African in them makes them plot away from Canarians and in the mulatto range.

[Dominicanese]

Well many Cubans descend from Canarians fully or mainly. But I think maybe lots of white Cubans are a mix of Canarian, Galician, Asturias and Andalusian. Dominicans have a large Canarian input (along with other Spaniards) but the West African in them makes them plot away from Canarians and in the mulatto range.

im still trying to figure out whcih island or islands most impacted the dominican white population, we have a small town called san carlos de tenerife now merged in with the capital

and then i heard we also had some from las palmas and gomera

[EL_BARBARO]

semos for somos. Some of us we still speak like that

[Melki]

Canary Islanders get along with Andalusians (and Murcians whom they assimilate to Andalusians), they hate the other "Godos" and especially the Madrileños.

[Sikeliot]

Well from what I can tell, Canarians are closest genetically to Madeirans. Majority Iberian stock with North African admixture.

Madeirans do not have extra North African, rather they have extra Sub-Saharan from the slave trade, 3-5%.

Anyway I did vote Madeira.

[Cristiano viejo]

Why did you excluded coastal North Africans?

I'm not trolling, just curious.

For the same reason he excluded Chinese or Hawaians, because 99% of Canarians dont look like North Africans.

[Isleño]

im still trying to figure out whcih island or islands most impacted the dominican white population, we have a small town called san carlos de tenerife now merged in with the capital

and then i heard we also had some from las palmas and gomera
You'd have to look into the ships logs of your area of the Dominican Republic. Among the Cubans, I know many came from La Palma. In my area, most of the Canarians came from Tenerife, Gran Canaria and Gomera. But a few came from other islands, it's just most came from these three. Look for ship passenger lists for the Dominican Republic.

[Isleño]

semos for somos. Some of us we still speak like that

The old folks in my family speak like that, using semos. I tend to try and use somos because I try to have better Spanish, but when I learned Spanish as a child I actually learned to use semos. A few things we use are not standard Spanish like use a h sound in place of s like loh ihleñoh/loj ijleñoj or we cut the s off on the end like tenemo-tenemos or like use an h sound (I spelled with Spanish j) nojotroh-nosotros, pronounce the H in hoy like joy-hoy, jace-hace. I try to speak more correct often, but when I'm with my family I just let it roll the way they do.

[EL_BARBARO]

The old folks in my family speak like that, using semos. I tend to try and use somos because I try to have better Spanish, but when I learned Spanish as a child I actually learned to use semos. A few things we use are not standard Spanish like use a h sound in place of s like loh ihleñoh/loj ijleñoj or we cut the s off on the end like tenemo-tenemos or like use an h sound (I spelled with Spanish j) nojotroh-nosotros, pronounce the H in hoy like joy-hoy, jace-hace. I try to speak more correct often, but when I'm with my family I just let it roll the way they do.


In the time your ancestors moved to la Louisiana semos was so broadly used in Spain - in the Canary Islands also.

Currently the form semos is still used - even though the right form is somos.

In a familiary way, I tend to use semos instead of somos, even "habemos" for somos.

Example: "habemos 5 o seis tios aqui esperandote" for "somos or estamos 5 tios aqui esperandote"

They're regionalisms

[Isleño]

Canary Islanders get along with Andalusians (and Murcians whom they assimilate to Andalusians), they hate the other "Godos" and especially the Madrileños.

We only call godos to people that think they are better than us. Peninsulares that are good to us we don't call godo, no matter where they are from. Here in Louisiana, we use godo for anyone of any ethnicity that thinks they are better than us.

[EL_BARBARO]

We only call godos to people that think they are better than us. Peninsulares that are good to us we don't call godo, no matter where they are from. Here in Louisiana, we use godo for anyone of any ethnicity that thinks they are better than us.


He repeats like a parrot what any person --with less brain than him-- told him once...

[Isleño]

Madeirans do not have extra North African, rather they have extra Sub-Saharan from the slave trade, 3-5%.

Anyway I did vote Madeira.
I think it varies for both populations.

[Isleño]

For the same reason he excluded Chinese or Hawaians, because 99% of Canarians dont look like North Africans.

This is true. Most Canarians I grew up with don't look like North Africans.

[Isleño]

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[EL_BARBARO]

This is true. Most Canarians I grew up with don't look like North Africans.


Guanches were a sort of berber population, probably moved from North Africa in ancient times (it is estimated in 1000 BC). But current population in North Africa is quite admixed with SSA, after having suffered massive waves of migrations by populations proceeding for more southern areas in Africa.

[Isleño]

In the time your ancestors moved to la Louisiana semos was so broadly used in Spain - in the Canary Islands also.

Currently the form semos is still used - even though the right form is somos.

In a familiary way, I tend to use semos instead of somos, even "habemos" for somos.

Example: "habemos 5 o seis tios aqui esperandote" for "somos or estamos 5 tios aqui esperandote"

They're regionalismsThats good to know. Lol, I thought it was just some corruption we Canarians just did. However, I ran into a Cuban man that used it, I just assumed because he was of Canarian descent. But that makes sense, it's an antiquated form of somos. I'm sure there's a few more we use that you would say the same about.

[Melki]

He repeats like a parrot what any person --with less brain than him-- told him once...

What about sticking your finger in your anus and give a good monkey's fart to make you blow away, hijo de puta?

[Isleño]

He repeats like a parrot what any person --with less brain than him-- told him once...

Lol, that's funny. There are a couple peninsulares that work at our yearly fiesta and they are like family and we would never call them godos. Personally, I've never met a peninsular in real life that I had to call a godo. But I understand in the islands, sometimes there may be. There is a population of Peninsular Spanish descendants of Málaga, Andalucía here in Louisiana in an area called New Iberia, Louisiana. They are cool with us. They are called the malagueños and we are called the isleños.

[Melki]

We only call godos to people that think they are better than us. Peninsulares that are good to us we don't call godo, no matter where they are from. Here in Louisiana, we use godo for anyone of any ethnicity that thinks they are better than us.

I know, you can't overgeneralize. I lived and worked on La Gomera and people there are litterally invaded by Germans. Gomeros are proud and independent, even the Tinerfeños are strangers.

[Isleño]

Guanches were a sort of berber population, probably moved from North Africa in ancient times (it is estimated in 1000 BC). But current population in North Africa is quite admixed with SSA, after having suffered massive waves of migrations by populations proceeding for more southern areas in Africa.
I don't know what to make of the Guanches. I have 10% of their DNA and I took a DNA test and 23andme did not pick it up, it only gave me 1.6% North African and what would have been Guanche was hidden in the Iberia portion of the results. I then sent my DNA to Dr, Doug McDonald and he found it and said 23andme couldn't find it. I ran my DNA through gedmatch and gedmatch finds it, but the commercial tests don't find it as North African. It's like a mystery. Anyway, the vast majority of my DNA is Iberian 90%. However, I have low Guanche. My cousin took a test and McDonald gave her 17%. I just have low Guanche, so for this reason, I gravitate toward Iberia.

[Isleño]

I know, you can't overgeneralize. I lived and worked on La Gomera and people there are litterally invaded by Germans. Gomeros are proud and independent, even the Tinerfeños are strangers.

I know this. I've been there. I have distant relatives living in the Canaries and they told me they are getting invaded by the Germans and British. They say they get boatloads of West African migrants, but they get sent to the peninsula, but the German and British tourists are staying. At least they are a small minority though. But there are many peninsulares there too. I descend from the Tinerfeños, Canariones and Gomeros. But I live in a community of Canarian descendants in Louisiana, USA and we are a mix of all the islands.

[EL_BARBARO]

I don't know what to make of the Guanches. I have 10% of their DNA and I took a DNA test and 23andme did not pick it up, it only gave me 1.6% North African and what would have been Guanche was hidden in the Iberia portion of the results. I then sent my DNA to Dr, Doug McDonald and he found it and said 23andme couldn't find it. I ran my DNA through gedmatch and gedmatch finds it, but the commercial tests don't find it as North African. It's like a mystery. Anyway, the vast majority of my DNA is Iberian 90%. However, I have low Guanche. My cousin took a test and McDonald gave her 17%. I just have low Guanche, so for this reason, I gravitate toward Iberia.



Hombre, not all Canarian have to be descendants of the guanches.... It was the aboriginal people of Canary Islands before the Castilian arrived over there...

[EL_BARBARO]

Thats good to know. Lol, I thought it was just some corruption we Canarians just did. However, I ran into a Cuban man that used it, I just assumed because he was of Canarian descent. But that makes sense, it's an antiquated form of somos. I'm sure there's a few more we use that you would say the same about.


No, no, no corruption at all... semos from "ser"... it is still used in my geographical area, Isleño....

[Melki]

I know this. I've been there. I have distant relatives living in the Canaries and they told me they are getting invaded by the Germans and British. They say they get boatloads of West African migrants, but they get sent to the peninsula, but the German and British tourists are staying. At least they are a small minority though. But there are many peninsulares there too. I descend from the Tinerfeños, Canariones and Gomeros. But I live in a community of Canarian descendants in Louisiana, USA and we are a mix of all the islands.

I remember an Austrian woman who settled down on La Gomera, opened a reflexoiogy office. She told me she fled Austria because her homeland was undergoing a Turkish invasion. Ironically, as a EU-citizen, she didn't feel a foreigner. But the fact is that these EU-foreigners have a high purchasing power, take all the jobs, own the best private properties in the seafront. Nothing is left for the locals who feel aliens in their own island and resent it a lot.

[Isleño]

Hombre, not all Canarian have to be descendants of the guanches.... It was the aboriginal people of Canary Islands before the Castilian arrived over there...

No, I am a descendant. It's just I don't have a huge amount. Every Canary Islander in 23andme gets like 1-3% North African, so 23andme is not picking it up. Dr Doug McDonald told me this himself that his test can detect it, but 23andme won't. So I do descend from the Guanches, but only 10%. I'm more Iberian. Gedmatch picks it up though. There is something strange about the Guanches that is not the same as modern North Africans, because 23andme can pick up modern North African. But Guanche takes special tests to pick it up. Guanche is like a mystery.

[Isleño]

No, no, no corruption at all... semos from "ser"... it is still used in my geographical area, Isleño....

Ok cool. That's good to know. I think the dialect of my people has lots of these antiquated words in it. You may recognize them better than me.

[Isleño]

I remember an Austrian woman who settled down on La Gomera, opened a reflexoiogy office. She told me she fled Austria because her homeland was undergoing a Turkish invasion. Ironically, as a EU-citizen, she didn't feel a foreigner. But the fact is that these EU-foreigners have a high purchasing power, take all the jobs, own the best private properties in the seafront. Nothing is left for the locals who feel aliens in their own island and resent it a lot.
Yes, this is true. I met some distant relatives of mine through our fiesta here in Louisiana, they were born and raised there in the Canaries and they have told me about this before. They don't like it. Yes, it's ironic. I will be visiting the Canaries next year. I can't wait to go back. It's a weird thing, if you live in a diaspora community like me and you go to the land of your people and experience what you experience at home, but most everyone there is like at your home, it's a weird thing, but it feels good.

[EL_BARBARO]

Ok cool. That's good to know. I think the dialect of my people has lots of these antiquated words in it. You may recognize them better than me.

So do ours, Isleño

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Should be closer to Iberian Spanish as the islands were populated by Spaniards, not Portugueses. Certain users here have been trying to make people believe that continental Portugueses differ from Portugueses of Madeira\Azores which is false.

[Isleño]

So do ours, IsleñoFrom which region of Spain are you from Barbaro?

[Dominicanese]

lot a the older folks in DR sound very canarian

this is constanza (where my dads family comes from) and just across the mountain on the east is my town (jarabacoa) both founded by canarians with large sugar cane plantations, many canarians intermarried with the local black Yoruba and Angolan slaves, also canarian both africans worked together in the sugar cane most canarians were overseers and campesinos with many not owning slaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJGG1vbBlLs

en los tiempos de ante, over half of canarians came with their families while another half single, these single canarian men would usually intermarry with other whites or the Dominican Blacks

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/28/82/a3/2882a35419fa61362141f2718c5a0363--black-power-louisiana.jpg

^^ like that ^^

[EL_BARBARO]

From which region of Spain are you from Barbaro?


I'm from Málaga, Andalusia, Isleño.

[Isleño]

I'm from Málaga, Andalusia, Isleño.

Ah, yes. Now I remember. We had a conversation long ago about the malagueños of New Iberia, Louisiana. Yes I remember now. Te mando un saludo con un abrazo desde la comunidad isleña de Luisiana:)

[Isleño]

lot a the older folks in DR sound very canarian

this is constanza (where my dads family comes from) and just across the mountain on the east is my town (jarabacoa) both founded by canarians with large sugar cane plantations, many canarians intermarried with the local black Yoruba and Angolan slaves, also canarian both africans worked together in the sugar cane most canarians were overseers and campesinos with many not owning slaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJGG1vbBlLs

en los tiempos de ante, over half of canarians came with their families while another half single, these single canarian men would usually intermarry with other whites or the Dominican Blacks

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/28/82/a3/2882a35419fa61362141f2718c5a0363--black-power-louisiana.jpg

^^ like that ^^
Basically Canarians had lots of influence in the Latin American countries of Cuba, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Venezuela and Uruguay.

[EL_BARBARO]

Ah, yes. Now I remember. We had a conversation long ago about the malagueños of New Iberia, Louisiana. Yes I remember now. Te mando un saludo con un abrazo desde la comunidad isleña de Luisiana:)


Muchas gracias, Isleño. Lo mismo te digo. Salúdame por favor a Los Malagueños de Nueva Iberia, sobre todo al tal Romero - a lo mejor somos parientes y todo.

[Isleño]

Should be closer to Iberian Spanish as the islands were populated by Spaniards, not Portugueses. Certain users here have been trying to make people believe that continental Portugueses differ from Portugueses of Madeira\Azores which is false.
There were some Portuguese in Canarias very early on during colonization of the islands, but true the vast amount of ancestry of Canarians came from what is known today as Spain.

[Isleño]

Madeirans do not have extra North African, rather they have extra Sub-Saharan from the slave trade, 3-5%.

Anyway I did vote Madeira.
Actually after you made that Azorean/Portuguese thread, I was looking at one Portuguese you posted with 9% North African and was thinking this person is genetically similar to myself. I would plot with that person. I have 10%. I also seen some Spaniards from Exremadura in western Spain with 7% and was thinking I was similar to this person.

[Cristiano viejo]

Actually after you made that Azorean/Portuguese thread, I was looking at one Portuguese you posted with 9% North African and was thinking this person is genetically similar to myself. I would plot with that person. I have 10%. I also seen some Spaniards from Exremadura in western Spain with 7% and was thinking I was similar to this person.

Post it.

[Isleño]

Post it.

I'd have to find it. It was a while back I came across a gedmatch result for an Extremaduran that had 7% NA. I recall telling myself that I was similar to this person. But it's not surprising though since Extremadura is more western Spain and close to Portugal and Portuguese get 7% NA on Dodecad spreadsheets on gedmatch.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'd have to find it. It was a while back I came across a gedmatch result for an Extremaduran that had 7% NA. I recall telling myself that I was similar to this person. But it's not surprising though since Extremadura is more western Spain and close to Portugal and Portuguese get 7% NA on Dodecad spreadsheets on gedmatch.

:twitch00::twitch00::twitch00:

[Isleño]

:twitch00::twitch00::twitch00:

I just looked at the NA average of Extremadurans on Dodecad 12b spreadsheet and it was 4.3%. So not surprising that one could get 7% on gedmatch. I don't think they all score like that, but there are some that do. NA is higher in Western Iberia, so most Spaniards not in Western Iberia won't score that high and should maybe be around 2%-3%. I think I saw a few in Andalucía that had 5%, but it was long ago and my memory on those is not clear.

[wvwvw]

Did canaries get their name from Canary islands or was it the other way?

[Isleño]

Did canaries get their name from Canary islands or was it the other way?

The Canary bird got its name from the islands. The consensus is that the islands got its name from the big wild dogs that roamed the islands in pre-hispanic times, the ancestors of the modern breed called the presa Canario. Some say the islands got their name from the Canarii tribe of Berbers that used to inhabit the islands.

[Isleño]

Canary Islanders get along with Andalusians (and Murcians whom they assimilate to Andalusians), they hate the other "Godos" and especially the Madrileños.

Here in my community of Louisiana Canarians called A"Isleños", we use the word "chivo" for people not from my community or of Canarian/Spanish descent. We especially use it for Anglos. It's a word that translates to goat. We call them goats because they used to come to our community on a weekend looking to rent a fishing guide from among the Canarian descendants. And when we would take them out in a boat to fish, they would be propped up at the bow of the boat (front of the boat) bent over almost on all fours looking out onto the water while the boat was in motion. So we started calling them chivos (goats) because the way they were propped up, they were looking like goats at the front of the boat.

http://www.lafishblog.com/darn-goat-always-pulling-a-wake/

[Cristiano viejo]

Here in my community of Louisiana Canarians called A"Isleños", we use the word "chivo" for people not from my community or of Canarian/Spanish descent. We especially use it for Anglos. It's a word that translates to goat. We call them goats because they used to come to our community on a weekend looking to rent a fishing guide from among the Canarian descendants. And when we would take them out in a boat to fish, they would be propped up at the bow of the boat (front of the boat) bent over almost on all fours looking out onto the water while the boat was in motion. So we started calling them chivos (goats) because the way they were propped up, they were looking like goats at the front of the boat.

http://www.lafishblog.com/darn-goat-always-pulling-a-wake/

Only Canarians call Godos to the rest of Spaniards, dont pay attention at the Peruvian Melki who does not know anything about Spain.

[Isleño]

Only Canarians call Godos to the rest of Spaniards, dont pay attention at the Peruvian Melki who does not know anything about Spain.

I was explaining to him that Canarians only call godos to peninsulares that think they are better than Canarians. I told him we don't call them godos if they are nice to us.

[EL_BARBARO]

Here in my community of Louisiana Canarians called A"Isleños", we use the word "chivo" for people not from my community or of Canarian/Spanish descent. We especially use it for Anglos. It's a word that translates to goat. We call them goats because they used to come to our community on a weekend looking to rent a fishing guide from among the Canarian descendants. And when we would take them out in a boat to fish, they would be propped up at the bow of the boat (front of the boat) bent over almost on all fours looking out onto the water while the boat was in motion. So we started calling them chivos (goats) because the way they were propped up, they were looking like goats at the front of the boat.

http://www.lafishblog.com/darn-goat-always-pulling-a-wake/


we call them "bichos"

[Isleño]

we call them "bichos"

You call them bichos the people not from your community? Who do you call bichos to?

[EL_BARBARO]

You call them bichos the people not from your community? Who do you call bichos to?


Those who my geographical area call those Anglos on vacation in our territory as "bichos"

They come in our valley to know it in big grous, all togethers. We call them "bichos"

Ejemplo: los bichos ya han llegado, han pasado por la carretera...

[Isleño]

Those who my geographical area call those Anglos on vacation in our territory as "bichos"

They come in our valley to know it in big grous, all togethers. We call them "bichos"

Ejemplo: los bichos ya han llegado, han pasado por la carretera...Ah, ok yes. The same kind of people we call chivos. I see.

[EL_BARBARO]

Ah, ok yes. The same kind of people we call chivos. I see.


Our "bichos" pass by our town in cars, uncovered ones, in a long row of 10-15, direction 'Caminito del Rey' to visit it. Since they drive in a long row, you call them "bichos".

[Melki]

Only Canarians call Godos to the rest of Spaniards, dont pay attention at the Peruvian Melki who does not know anything about Spain.

Peruvian yourself, Cholo viejo

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-136866.html

[Cristiano viejo]

Peruvian yourself, Cholo viejo

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-136866.html

You are the only one here that recognized to have Peruvian ancestry, Crazy Horse :thumb001:

[Dominicanese]

Once in DR we went to a very touristic beach and later on local dominicans started to appear at the beach and my aunt had a saying for when the beach was becoming more local she would say

"ay mi mai, ahi que salir de esta playa, ya que se esta poniendo muy oscuro" LMAO HAHAHAHAHA, shes racist as shit

translation "we need to get out of here the beach is getting too dark"

[Zephyrus]

Which group do you think is genetically the closest to a Canary Islander? And why?



Madeira
Azores
Iberian Spain
Iberian Portugal
White Caribbean Latinos
SardiniansWho gives a shit?
They have the best climate in the world, drugs are legal, the only thing mising is "The II Amandment".
I could live with that.

[Cristiano viejo]

Who gives a shit?
They have the best climate in the world, drugs are legal, the only thing mising is "The II Amandment".
I could live with that.

Drugs are not legal in Canary Islands, are you on drugs or what?

[Isleño]

Who gives a shit?
They have the best climate in the world, drugs are legal, the only thing mising is "The II Amandment".
I could live with that.
Where did you hear drugs are legal in the Canary Islands?

[Isleño]

Once in DR we went to a very touristic beach and later on local dominicans started to appear at the beach and my aunt had a saying for when the beach was becoming more local she would say

"ay mi mai, ahi que salir de esta playa, ya que se esta poniendo muy oscuro" LMAO HAHAHAHAHA, shes racist as shit

translation "we need to get out of here the beach is getting too dark"Is that common in DR?

[Mens-Sarda]

semos for somos. Some of us we still speak like that

Sounds like Sardinian, in some areas of central Sardinia is pronounced "semos", in the north "semus", in the south "sèus", also their faces look like some old pensioned Sardinian sitting outside the bar in every Sardinian village.

[EL_BARBARO]

Sounds like Sardinian, in some areas of central Sardinia is pronounced "semos", in the north "semus", in the south "sèus", also their faces look like some old pensioned Sardinian sitting outside the bar in every Sardinian village.


A sardinian gal got once surprised listening at a group of spaniards when we were talking. She said she can distinguished many words also used in sardo --and not of italian origin.

[Mens-Sarda]

A sardinian gal got once surprised listening at a group of spaniards when we were talking. She said she can distinguished many words also used in sardo --and not of italian origin.

Many things in the vocabulary are similar sometimes to Castillan, or to Catalan or also to Portuguese

[Isleño]

A sardinian gal got once surprised listening at a group of spaniards when we were talking. She said she can distinguished many words also used in sardo --and not of italian origin.

How common is semos in the peninsula? Which area is it more common? Because we use that slang form of somos heavily in Canarian dialects.

[EL_BARBARO]

How common is semos in the peninsula? Which area is it more common? Because we use that slang form of somos heavily in Canarian dialects.


More common in certain areas in Andalusia in the countryside, as well as other old words, modisms and archaisms of the spanish language.

Example: asina for "así"; hogaño for "this year" (from the Latin hoc anno), alcancía (it's now prefered the term "hucha), &c &c &c

School and especially TV made disspear every regionalism, although it exists still a lot of them. They try we used an uniform language, and step by step they're getting it.

I don't know really in the rest of Spain.

[Isleño]

More common in certain areas in Andalusia in the countryside, as well as other old words, modisms and archaisms of the spanish language.

Example: asina for "así"; hogaño for "this year" (from the Latin hoc annus), alcancía (it's now prefered the term "hucha), &c &c &c

School and especially TV made disspear every regionalism, although it exists still a lot of them. They try we used an uniform language, and step by step they're getting it.

I don't know really in the rest of Spain.
Wow, we use "asina" here in my community! I thought maybe that was just some corruption we developed. Cool.

[FilhoV]

My K12 has me at Canaries at a distance of 5 and it's my top one on Eurogenes my top is Extremadura at a distance of 2

[Mens-Sarda]

More common in certain areas in Andalusia in the countryside, as well as other old words, modisms and archaisms of the spanish language.

Example: asina for "así"; hogaño for "this year" (from the Latin hoc annus), alcancía (it's now prefered the term "hucha), &c &c &c

School and especially TV made disspear every regionalism, although it exists still a lot of them. They try we used an uniform language, and step by step they're getting it.

I don't know really in the rest of Spain.


How is "this year" in standard Spanish?

In Sardinian is Hoc annu similar to hogaño

This Year = Hoc annu
Next Year = Hoc annu qui 'ènit (this years that comes)
Past Year = S'annu passadu / Hoc annu passadu

[Isleño]

My K12 has me at Canaries at a distance of 5 and it's my top one on Eurogenes my top is Extremadura at a distance of 2
That's cool. I suspect some Azoreans may be similar to some Canarians. Azores along with the Canaries are part of macaronesia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Macaronesia_location.svg/240px-Macaronesia_location.svg.png

[zhaoyun]

I chose Azores, but it's probably people from Madeira, which I missed.

[Isleño]

I chose Azores, but it's probably people from Madeira, which I missed.

Looks like Azores is picking up steam.

[EL_BARBARO]

Wow, we use "asina" here in my community! I thought maybe that was just some corruption we developed. Cool.


No, no, no corruption. "Asina" was also used by my grandmother. It's an archaism, an old form for "así"

[EL_BARBARO]

How is "this year" in standard Spanish?

In Sardinian is Hoc annu similar to hogaño

This Year = Hoc annu
Next Year = Hoc annu qui 'ènit (this years that comes)
Past Year = S'annu passadu / Hoc annu passadu


In standard spanish "this year" = "este año". But it still exists an archaism --taken as "vulgar" for some little illustrated people but bragging about wisdom-- being "hogaño" --I have heard that from many many people here, even relatives of mine--, from the Latin "hoc anno". Less and less used, due to the uniformation of the language by the mass media and schools where formal current castilian is taught. I love those kinds of words, by the way. But they are fading away since some years ago... Most of them, taken as "vulgar", are really authentic archaisms or even cultisms in their ages. Andalusian is --or rather was-- filled with them.

"Next year" = El año próximo (formal spanish). But usually we say "el año que viene" and sometimes "el año entrante" (perhaps more formal or cultist).

"Past year" = "el año pasado". Our word "antaño" (from Latin ante anno) was related with it and indeed used in some point of the past with such a meaning, but its present meaning is "in the old times, in a distant past"....

[Isleño]

In standard spanish "this year" = "este año". But it still exists an archaism --taken as "vulgar" for some little illustrated people but bragging about wisdom-- being "hogaño" --I have heard that from many many people here, even relatives of mine--, from the Latin "hoc anno". Less and less used, due to the uniformation of the language by the mass media and schools where formal current castilian is taught. I love those kinds of words, by the way. But they are fading away since some years ago... Most of them, taken as "vulgar", are really authentic archaisms or even cultisms in their ages. Andalusian is --or rather was-- filled with them.

"Next year" = El año próximo (formal spanish). But usually we say "el año que viene" and sometimes "el año entrante" (perhaps more formal or cultist).

"Past year" = "el año pasado". Our word "antaño" (from Latin ante anno) was related with it and indeed used in some point of the past with such a meaning, but its present meaning is "in the old times, in a distant past"....
Our Louisiana Canarian dialect is not subject to the uniformity being pushed in Spanish society, so we still have plenty of archaisms. We have been on a similar track as communities in Latin America. When I visit Canarias, there are still some of these old words when I speak to the people. But the people that are more professionals, don't use them. But much of the population of Canarias still uses lots of these types of words. Even we still use more archaisms than they do, as I've been told that some words I use are used by their great-grandmothers. I love those types of archaisms too. Also we say things like mesmo->mismo or mera->mira.

[Camilo]

In standard spanish "this year" = "este año". But it still exists an archaism --taken as "vulgar" for some little illustrated people but bragging about wisdom-- being "hogaño" --I have heard that from many many people here, even relatives of mine--, from the Latin "hoc anno". Less and less used, due to the uniformation of the language by the mass media and schools where formal current castilian is taught. I love those kinds of words, by the way. But they are fading away since some years ago... Most of them, taken as "vulgar", are really authentic archaisms or even cultisms in their ages. Andalusian is --or rather was-- filled with them.

"Next year" = El año próximo (formal spanish). But usually we say "el año que viene" and sometimes "el año entrante" (perhaps more formal or cultist).

"Past year" = "el año pasado". Our word "antaño" (from Latin ante anno) was related with it and indeed used in some point of the past with such a meaning, but its present meaning is "in the old times, in a distant past"....

Hogaño, antaño y el año que viene are all still used in Puerto Rico

[Isleño]

Hogaño, antaño y el año que viene are all still used in Puerto Rico

Puerto Rico had many Andalusians and Canarians settle there, I’m not surprised the same archaisms have survived there too.

[Dominicanese]

Puerto Rico had many Andalusians and Canarians settle there, I’m not surprised the same archaisms have survived there too.

we have a district in santo domingo (former town) called san carlos de tenerife, it is without a doubt from tenerife

my home town in DR was also founded by canarians (jarabacoa) in the late 1600s and early 1700s, there was some ppl there before but it was very tiny pop

[Morena]

In standard spanish "this year" = "este año". But it still exists an archaism --taken as "vulgar" for some little illustrated people but bragging about wisdom-- being "hogaño" --I have heard that from many many people here, even relatives of mine--, from the Latin "hoc anno". Less and less used, due to the uniformation of the language by the mass media and schools where formal current castilian is taught. I love those kinds of words, by the way. But they are fading away since some years ago... Most of them, taken as "vulgar", are really authentic archaisms or even cultisms in their ages. Andalusian is --or rather was-- filled with them.

"Next year" = El año próximo (formal spanish). But usually we say "el año que viene" and sometimes "el año entrante" (perhaps more formal or cultist).

"Past year" = "el año pasado". Our word "antaño" (from Latin ante anno) was related with it and indeed used in some point of the past with such a meaning, but its present meaning is "in the old times, in a distant past"....

My mother uses these words. My father speaks more standard Spanish.

[Dominicanese]

My mother uses these words. My father speaks more standard Spanish.

cuban spanish is basically a classic canarian spanish but with minor influences from other stuff

[Isleño]

My mother uses these words. My father speaks more standard Spanish.

We use those words too

[Isleño]

cuban spanish is basically a classic canarian spanish but with minor influences from other stuff

Very true. Cuban Spanish is heavily influenced by Canarian Spanish. However, there are also influences of Galician, Asturias and Andalusian on Cuban Spanish. But Canarian influence is probably the strongest of them all.

[Dominicanese]

Very true. Cuban Spanish is heavily influenced by Canarian Spanish. However, there are also influences of Galician, Asturias and Andalusian on Cuban Spanish. But Canarian influence is probably the strongest of them all.

which one sounds more canarian to you?

rican or cuban spanish

[Isleño]

we have a district in santo domingo (former town) called san carlos de tenerife, it is without a doubt from tenerife

my home town in DR was also founded by canarians (jarabacoa) in the late 1600s and early 1700s, there was some ppl there before but it was very tiny pop
D.R. definitely has a strong Canarian heritage also. Believe it or not, both Dominican Republic and Haiti have a connection to Louisiana. When the black slaves revolted against the white Saint Domingans (white Haitian Creoles) they fled to Louisiana and Cuba. When Spain had friction with France, Spain ordered the Haitians out of Cuba and they also fled to Louisiana. Mulattoes and loyal black slaves accompanied the white Saint Domingans in the migration from Cuba. These Saint Domingans had influence on the French dialects of Louisiana, especially the one that existed in New Orleans.

Many White Dominicans also fled to Louisiana as well. Many white Dominicans of Canarian descent arrived in Louisiana, as they had relatives in Louisiana. We Isleños of Louisiana have several words that are the same used in Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic that are not used in the Canary Islands like jaiba for a blue crab, caimán for alligator, tegurón for shark (tiburón is also used), macaco for monkey and matungo for a married man that chases women. Words such as these came to us from the Caribbean with Canarians living in the Caribbean that had relatives in Louisiana and they migrated to Louisiana to be among relatives.

[Isleño]

which one sounds more canarian to you?

rican or cuban spanish
Well, it’s complicated. Western Puerto Rican dialects sounds close, and central Cuba nearing the oriente sounds close, especially the dialect from around Holguin, Cuba. It’s a toss up between those. Also, Venezuelan dialect Near Caracas and Margarita island sound close too. I think these three sound the closest. Out of these three, it’s a hard toss up, because each sounds more like a particular island. For instance, the Cuban one sounds more like la Palma dialect, the Venezuelan more like Tenerife dialect and the Puerto Rican more like Gran Canaria dialect. At least to my ears. Of course there are differences and I can recognize which one Canarian, as they are not carbon copies, but they sound close enough. Some Andalusian dialects sound similar too. My own Louisiana dialect I think would sound more like a mix central Cuban and Western Puerto Rican.

[happycow]

Well, it’s complicated. Western Puerto Rican dialects sounds close, and central Cuba nearing the oriente sounds close, especially the dialect from around Holguin, Cuba. It’s a toss up between those. Also, Venezuelan dialect Near Caracas and Margarita island sound close too. I think these three sound the closest. Out of these three, it’s a hard toss up, because each sounds more like a particular island. For instance, the Cuban one sounds more like la Palma dialect, the Venezuelan more like Tenerife dialect and the Puerto Rican more like Gran Canaria dialect. At least to my ears. Of course there are differences and I can recognize which one Canarian, as they are not carbon copies, but they sound close enough. Some Andalusian dialects sound similar too. My own Louisiana dialect I think would sound more like a mix central Cuban and Western Puerto Rican.

I grew up hearing different dialects of Spanish. Venezuelan spanish from my parents, Cuban spanish from my brother in law and his family, Puero Rican spanish from my cousin and uncle, and Mexican spanish from the population here.

Makes my head hurt. I'd say the hardest one to understand was Puerto Rican spnaish. They speak way too fast. Lol.

[Isleño]

I grew up hearing different dialects of Spanish. Venezuelan spanish from my parents, Cuban spanish from my brother in law and his family, Puero Rican spanish from my cousin and uncle, and Mexican spanish from the population here.

Makes my head hurt. I'd say the hardest one to understand was Puerto Rican spnaish. They speak way too fast. Lol.
For me, the easiest to understand are Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican, Venezuelan and Andalusian dialects. But it’s natural as they talk in a similar fashion as my own ethnic group.

The accents sometimes that make me make a face trying to listen are Argentina, that whole “sho me shamo” thing is like wtf lol

And also Uruguay, similar to the Argentine one. They are interesting, but difficult sometimes.

[Zuh]

Mexicans

[Dominicanese]

Well, it’s complicated. Western Puerto Rican dialects sounds close, and central Cuba nearing the oriente sounds close, especially the dialect from around Holguin, Cuba. It’s a toss up between those. Also, Venezuelan dialect Near Caracas and Margarita island sound close too. I think these three sound the closest. Out of these three, it’s a hard toss up, because each sounds more like a particular island. For instance, the Cuban one sounds more like la Palma dialect, the Venezuelan more like Tenerife dialect and the Puerto Rican more like Gran Canaria dialect. At least to my ears. Of course there are differences and I can recognize which one Canarian, as they are not carbon copies, but they sound close enough. Some Andalusian dialects sound similar too. My own Louisiana dialect I think would sound more like a mix central Cuban and Western Puerto Rican.

yupp agreed

i heard of cubans saying that somewhere in central cuba i forgot which town exactly, it was only canarians living there so much so that they know

i think Dominican Spanish is basically a canarian and andaluzian spanish mixed with some west african flavours

thats what seperates us only tiny to cuban and rican but nevertheless typical caribbean spanish

[Isleño]

yupp agreed

i heard of cubans saying that somewhere in central cuba i forgot which town exactly, it was only canarians living there so much so that they know

i think Dominican Spanish is basically a canarian and andaluzian spanish mixed with some west african flavours

thats what seperates us only tiny to cuban and rican but nevertheless typical caribbean spanish
I think there are differences in each dialect of the countries/provinces in question. However, the differences are not so pronounced as in other Spanish dialects. For folks that are not Canarian or Caribbean, they can confuse many of the dialects. I, being Canarian descent can easily and quickly pick out the Canarian dialect from the rest because my ears are trained to know the exact features of this family of dialects, just as yours is for Dominicans. But maybe a Galician or Bolivian would have trouble identifying who is the Caribbean and who is the Canarian. Even Andalusian can have similar sounds to both of these.

[Isleño]

yupp agreed

i heard of cubans saying that somewhere in central cuba i forgot which town exactly, it was only canarians living there so much so that they know

i think Dominican Spanish is basically a canarian and andaluzian spanish mixed with some west african flavours

thats what seperates us only tiny to cuban and rican but nevertheless typical caribbean spanish
Maybe the town was Holguin, Cuba. I met a man from there in Tampa, Florida when I lived there for two years after hurricane Katrina tore through my community in 2005 and he was from Holguin, Cuba and when he spoke to me I was like holy shit! Your accent sounds VERY influenced by Canarian Spanish. I couldn’t believe how much it sounded like that. He told me nearly everyone he knew was of Canarian origin (he used the word Isleño, our traditional nickname, rather than canario). He looked 100% like my people. I was blown away by this guy. And he told me his last name was Betancor, which is mega Canarian.

[Dominicanese]

Maybe the town was Holguin, Cuba. I met a man from there in Tampa, Florida when I lived there for two years after hurricane Katrina tore through my community in 2005 and he was from Holguin, Cuba and when he spoke to me I was like holy shit! Your accent sounds VERY influenced by Canarian Spanish. I couldn’t believe how much it sounded like that. He told me nearly everyone he knew was of Canarian origin (he used the word Isleño, our traditional nickname, rather than canario). He looked 100% like my people. I was blown away by this guy. And he told me his last name was Betancor, which is mega Canarian.

yupp thats it, holguin and its surrounding areas

cubans in general are very canarian, sometimes idk whos canarian or cuban. even some venezuelans sound canarian af and like us dominicans too

according to my fam, we descend from canarians that came over in the late 1600s and early 1700s. but we also foundout of relatives in DR alive in 1537 but they were more than likely andaluzian, however most of my fam and what contributed most to our name and looks happened around 300+ years ago, not necessarily before that. idk any non dominican fam relative among my blood line before 1750 so im pretty much fully colonial

colonial canarian predominantlyu with some asturian and SSA, along with taino

[wvwvw]

Closest to a Canary islander..maybe a finch islander;

[Isleño]

yupp thats it, holguin and its surrounding areas

cubans in general are very canarian, sometimes idk whos canarian or cuban. even some venezuelans sound canarian af and like us dominicans too

according to my fam, we descend from canarians that came over in the late 1600s and early 1700s. but we also foundout of relatives in DR alive in 1537 but they were more than likely andaluzian, however most of my fam and what contributed most to our name and looks happened around 300+ years ago, not necessarily before that. idk any non dominican fam relative among my blood line before 1750 so im pretty much fully colonial

colonial canarian predominantlyu with some asturian and SSA, along with taino
I’m 100% colonial! I also found my ancestors that arrive to Louisiana on the ship logs from 1777-1778. It was emotional when I first saw the names with the children too. My imagination ran wild thinking how could they live on the bayou in Louisiana in those times in hot, humid Southeast Louisiana with big mosquitos and no air conditioning lol

My grandma told me a story that they didn’t have pillows or beds when they first arrived so they would stuff sheets with the Spanish moss hanging from the trees to make pillows and mattresses. The Spanish government eventually built them houses and gave them land grants.

The Isleños of Louisiana are Louisiana’s Spanish Creoles. Also the Malagueños in New Iberia, Louisiana.

[Carlito's Way]

none

[El_Jibaro]

White Caribeños and Peninsulares (by this I also include Portuguese since the average Canarian does have Portuguese ancestry).

Madeirans and Azoreans too, for the reason I mentioned above.