Eurogenes K13 PCA with users

[Lucas]

Karol.Klacansky asked me about doing Eurogenes K13 PCA (for Europe & MENA) with his results. I decided to make it publicly. If somebody want to add write your results.

https://s30.postimg.org/a8tkvraq7/pca-k13.png

[Hadouken]

which K13 ? eurogenes ?

[Lucas]

Yes Eurogenes

[Hadouken]

thanks for your efforts

here my results

(I dont know if you ned the oracle and population stuff too . in case you do I post them)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 West_Asian 36.07
2 East_Med 30.76
3 West_Med 8.28
4 South_Asian 6.82
5 Red_Sea 6.05
6 North_Atlantic 4.62
7 Baltic 2.78
8 Siberian 1.29
9 Sub-Saharan 1.28
10 East_Asian 1.21
11 Amerindian 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Azeri 4.04
2 Kurdish 4.85
3 Iranian 6.24
4 Armenian 7.52
5 Turkish 7.58
6 Georgian_Jewish 7.92
7 Assyrian 9.87
8 Iranian_Jewish 12.29
9 Kurdish_Jewish 12.78
10 Kumyk 15.64
11 Lebanese_Muslim 15.99
12 Georgian 17
13 Turkmen 17.02
14 Syrian 17.05
15 Adygei 18.25
16 Abhkasian 18.48
17 Balkar 19.41
18 Ossetian 19.83
19 Cyprian 20.28
20 Kabardin 20.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 86.2% Kurdish + 13.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.93
2 85.3% Kurdish + 14.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.02
3 85.6% Kurdish + 14.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.09
4 86.5% Kurdish + 13.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.13
5 67.9% Azeri + 32.1% Armenian @ 2.17
6 86.1% Kurdish + 13.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.22
7 89.8% Kurdish + 10.2% Tunisian @ 2.25
8 82.5% Kurdish + 17.5% Cyprian @ 2.28
9 90.2% Kurdish + 9.8% Algerian @ 2.4
10 85.8% Kurdish + 14.2% South_Italian @ 2.41
11 90.5% Kurdish + 9.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.42
12 63.1% Kurdish + 36.9% Turkish @ 2.45
13 86.7% Kurdish + 13.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.46
14 79.1% Kurdish + 20.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.47
15 70.3% Azeri + 29.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.5
16 80.4% Kurdish + 19.6% Syrian @ 2.58
17 86.4% Kurdish + 13.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.63
18 90.8% Kurdish + 9.2% Moroccan @ 2.63
19 88% Kurdish + 12% West_Sicilian @ 2.65
20 55.8% Iranian + 44.2% Turkish @ 2.74


Using 2 populations approximation:

1 50% Kurdish +50% Turkish @ 2.958184


Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Azeri +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Kurdish @ 2.185565


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++

1 Armenian + Azeri + Azeri + Iranian @ 1.773698
2 Armenian + Iranian + Iranian + Turkish @ 1.782778
3 Armenian + Azeri + Iranian + Turkish @ 1.818801
4 Armenian + Iranian + Kurdish + Turkish @ 1.892237
5 Assyrian + Azeri + Azeri + Kurdish @ 2.045625
6 Armenian + Azeri + Azeri + Kurdish @ 2.058843
7 Azeri + Azeri + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish @ 2.185565
8 Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Druze + Makrani + Ossetian @ 2.210294
9 Armenian + Azeri + Azeri + Azeri @ 2.228114
10 Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Kurdish + Turkish @ 2.234008
11 Assyrian + Iranian + Kurdish + Turkish @ 2.295723
12 Abhkasian + Iranian + Iranian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.307506
13 Assyrian + Kurdish + Kurdish + Turkish @ 2.356586
14 Iranian + Iranian + Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian @ 2.395164
15 Armenian + Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Tadjik @ 2.399478
16 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Tadjik @ 2.415150
17 Azeri + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Turkish @ 2.428787
18 Armenian + Armenian + Iranian_Jewish + Tadjik @ 2.435643
19 Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish + Kurdish + Turkish @ 2.436239
20 Armenian + Azeri + Kurdish + Turkish @ 2.437537

[Kelmendasi]

Could you plot me on it as well please?

My results:
# Population Percent
1 West_Med 24.43
2 East_Med 24.38
3 Baltic 20.62
4 North_Atlantic 18.38
5 West_Asian 8.43
6 Red_Sea 3.54
7 Oceanian 0.15
8 East_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.2
2 Bulgarian 8.82
3 Romanian 11.01
4 Central_Greek 12.15
5 Tuscan 12.16
6 West_Sicilian 12.81
7 East_Sicilian 13.02
8 Italian_Abruzzo 13.35
9 Ashkenazi 14.52
10 Serbian 14.53
11 North_Italian 14.59
12 South_Italian 15.81
13 Moldavian 19.57
14 Algerian_Jewish 20.08
15 Italian_Jewish 20.69
16 Sephardic_Jewish 21.42
17 Portuguese 21.98
18 Croatian 22.25
19 Spanish_Extremadura 22.43
20 Hungarian 22.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.9% Bulgarian + 19.1% Sardinian @ 5.04
2 91.1% Greek_Thessaly + 8.9% Ukrainian @ 5.52
3 92.4% Greek_Thessaly + 7.6% Estonian_Polish @ 5.52
4 93.4% Greek_Thessaly + 6.6% Lithuanian @ 5.54
5 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Croatian @ 5.57
6 92.9% Greek_Thessaly + 7.1% Belorussian @ 5.59
7 92.4% Greek_Thessaly + 7.6% Polish @ 5.6
8 92.8% Greek_Thessaly + 7.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.6
9 91.3% Greek_Thessaly + 8.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.6
10 92.6% Greek_Thessaly + 7.4% Southwest_Russian @ 5.64
11 93.9% Greek_Thessaly + 6.1% Estonian @ 5.65
12 88% Greek_Thessaly + 12% Moldavian @ 5.65
13 92% Greek_Thessaly + 8% South_Polish @ 5.66
14 93.5% Greek_Thessaly + 6.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.68
15 92.6% Greek_Thessaly + 7.4% Sardinian @ 5.7
16 93.8% Greek_Thessaly + 6.2% Erzya @ 5.7
17 93.1% Greek_Thessaly + 6.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.71
18 73.7% Greek_Thessaly + 26.3% Bulgarian @ 5.72
19 94.5% Greek_Thessaly + 5.5% East_Finnish @ 5.75
20 94.8% Greek_Thessaly + 5.2% Finnish @ 5.81

[Lucas]

thanks for your efforts

here my results

(I dont know if you ned the oracle and population stuff too . in case you do I post them)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 West_Asian 36.07
2 East_Med 30.76
3 West_Med 8.28
4 South_Asian 6.82
5 Red_Sea 6.05
6 North_Atlantic 4.62
7 Baltic 2.78
8 Siberian 1.29
9 Sub-Saharan 1.28
10 East_Asian 1.21
11 Amerindian 0.84



Only this. Best if it was taken from first site of result, not oracle because ordering is different.

https://s12.postimg.org/v81ym7jvf/pca-k13.png

[Hadouken]

Only this. Best if it was taken from first site of result, not oracle because ordering is different.

https://s12.postimg.org/v81ym7jvf/pca-k13.png

thank you !

[Lucas]

With Kelmendasi

https://s24.postimg.org/5yvbev9k3/pca-k13.png

[Kelmendasi]

With Kelmendasi

https://s24.postimg.org/5yvbev9k3/pca-k13.png
Thanks :)

[Karol Klačansky]

I don't understand PCA plots exactly, why do I look so distant from populations that are listed as closest to me. The east German makes sense but my second closest population is south Polish but it seems really far from me

Using 1 population approximation:
1 East_German @ 8.596087
2 South_Polish @ 8.699465
3 Hungarian @ 10.036150
4 Austrian @ 10.831338
5 Polish @ 11.011834
6 Southwest_Finnish @ 11.235279
7 Ukrainian @ 11.254989
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 11.533505
9 Croatian @ 11.708292
10 North_Swedish @ 12.414757
11 Belorussian @ 14.338272
12 Estonian_Polish @ 14.669163
13 Russian_Smolensk @ 14.709253
14 Southwest_Russian @ 15.238096
15 Finnish @ 15.606089
16 Moldavian @ 15.725510
17 Estonian @ 15.991500
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.253641
19 Swedish @ 16.545988
20 North_German @ 17.119804

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +50% West_German @ 5.046282


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.581734


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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Can you do mine? Thanks in advance :)

Population

North_Atlantic 36.74
Baltic 11.53
West_Med 25.72
West_Asian 4.50
East_Med 14.12
Red_Sea 2.75
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.95
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.77
Northeast_African 2.48
Sub-Saharan 0.43

[Karol Klačansky]

The eurogenes k13 is the default test for eurogenes because it seems to give the best results based on people's ancestry. It lists my top two populations as East German and south Polish, meaning populations between those two, Czech and Slovak, would be even closer. I would say this test gives me the best results from all gedmatch calculators. I think maybe the portrayal of this PCA plot could be changed though to look more accurate. It seems to make me look closer to western euro populations than my results actually say.

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[Lucas]

I don't understand PCA plots exactly, why do I look so distant from populations that are listed as closest to me. The east German makes sense but my second closest population is south Polish but it seems really far from me

Using 1 population approximation:
1 East_German @ 8.596087
2 South_Polish @ 8.699465
3 Hungarian @ 10.036150
4 Austrian @ 10.831338
5 Polish @ 11.011834
6 Southwest_Finnish @ 11.235279
7 Ukrainian @ 11.254989
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 11.533505
9 Croatian @ 11.708292
10 North_Swedish @ 12.414757
11 Belorussian @ 14.338272
12 Estonian_Polish @ 14.669163
13 Russian_Smolensk @ 14.709253
14 Southwest_Russian @ 15.238096
15 Finnish @ 15.606089
16 Moldavian @ 15.725510
17 Estonian @ 15.991500
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.253641
19 Swedish @ 16.545988
20 North_German @ 17.119804

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +50% West_German @ 5.046282


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.581734


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PCA is not the same as genetic distanes. It shows you in multi-dimensional way. Not simple ordering like in distances.
But those averages in PCA are original, not altered by me.

[Lucas]

Can you do mine? Thanks in advance :)

Population

North_Atlantic 36.74
Baltic 11.53
West_Med 25.72
West_Asian 4.50
East_Med 14.12
Red_Sea 2.75
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.95
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.77
Northeast_African 2.48
Sub-Saharan 0.43

https://s22.postimg.org/8wi19dthb/k13-pca.png

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Do me m8. :)


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.49
2 North_Atlantic 23.41
3 West_Med 20.85
4 Baltic 16.49
5 West_Asian 11.75
6 Red_Sea 1.7
7 Amerindian 0.71
8 Siberian 0.59
9 East_Asian 0.01

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Wielkie dzięki!

[Karol Klačansky]

PCA is not the same as genetic distanes. It shows you in multi-dimensional way. Not simple ordering like in distances.
But those averages in PCA are original, not altered by me.
Yes but isn't the PCA supposed to be a graphic representation of someone's genetic distances? I mean in this test my second closest population is south Polish but I look closer to western European populations. I don't doubt u didn't change the distances but maybe somehow the representation of the graph could be altered to better represent the distances, or maybe PCA plots just seem to be pointless for me.

[Kamal900]

Can you do mine?

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.10
2 West_Asian 22.04
3 Red_Sea 12.49
4 West_Med 11.90
5 North_Atlantic 6.58
6 Northeast_African 3.87
7 South_Asian 2.69
8 East_Asian 1.20


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Syrian @ 4.290161
2 Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.506032
3 Jordanian @ 7.687741
4 Palestinian @ 9.223730
5 Samaritan @ 11.028017
6 Cyprian @ 11.030684
7 Lebanese_Christian @ 11.715029
8 Kurdish_Jewish @ 11.772687
9 Lebanese_Druze @ 11.830622
10 Iranian_Jewish @ 11.918647
11 Bedouin @ 13.471362
12 Assyrian @ 13.503297
13 Tunisian_Jewish @ 13.708004
14 Libyan_Jewish @ 13.978153
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 16.022411
16 Turkish @ 16.073597
17 Georgian_Jewish @ 16.799622
18 Algerian_Jewish @ 18.392385
19 Italian_Jewish @ 18.442356
20 Egyptian @ 18.966711

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Muslim +50% Syrian @ 3.811702


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jordanian +25% Kurdish +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.744180


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Jordanian + Kurdish + Palestinian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.225497
2 Kurdish + Palestinian + Palestinian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.229612
3 Kurdish + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian + Palestinian @ 2.249652
4 Kurdish + Palestinian + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.314925
5 Jordanian + Kurdish + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.350306
6 Jordanian + Kurdish + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian @ 2.361222
7 Kurdish + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian + Syrian @ 2.519702
8 Kurdish + Palestinian + Syrian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.557889
9 Armenian + Libyan_Jewish + Turkish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.603332
10 Italian_Jewish + Jordanian + Kurdish + Palestinian @ 2.714666
11 Bedouin + Kurdish + Lebanese_Druze + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.715215
12 Azeri + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian + Syrian @ 2.734694
13 Azeri + Palestinian + Syrian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.739027
14 Azeri + Jordanian + Palestinian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.743215
15 Italian_Jewish + Kurdish + Palestinian + Palestinian @ 2.743324
16 Jordanian + Jordanian + Kurdish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.744180
17 Iranian + Jordanian + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.752629
18 Bedouin + Kurdish + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.762016
19 Iranian + Palestinian + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.785339
20 Armenian + Tunisian_Jewish + Turkish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.804353

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You guys make mlukas life easier if you post your scores from the first page of your results and not from the oracles, because where he is inserting the data is in the same order.

[Lucas]

You guys make mlukas life easier if you post your scores from the first page of your results and not from the oracles, because where he is inserting the data is in the same order.

Exactly:)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Exactly:)

Repost mine without oracle.

Population
North_Atlantic 23.41
Baltic 16.49
West_Med 20.85
West_Asian 11.75
East_Med 24.49
Red_Sea 1.70
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.59
Amerindian 0.71
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Lucas]

Gilgamesh and Illyrian added.
Illyrian with Kelmendasi make Albo cluster:)

https://s29.postimg.org/a79j84ytx/k13-pca.png

[Lucas]

Yes but isn't the PCA supposed to be a graphic representation of someone's genetic distances? I mean in this test my second closest population is south Polish but I look closer to western European populations. I don't doubt u didn't change the distances but maybe somehow the representation of the graph could be altered to better represent the distances, or maybe PCA plots just seem to be pointless for me.

On the tree you are more properly clustered... Bear in mind there is no Czech or Slovak sample in K13...

https://s3.postimg.org/ag79ecxkh/ward-k13.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Gilgamesh and Illyrian added.
Illyrian with Kelmendasi make Albo cluster:)

[IM]https://s29.postimg.org/a79j84ytx/k13-pca.png[/IMG]
Nice cluster :D. Me and Illyrian nearly plot exactly the same ;)

[Lucas]

Look at the tree above

[Kelmendasi]

Look at the tree above
I find those trees pretty hard to understand tbh. What do they show/mean?

[Rius]

Add me please


# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 29.66
2 East_Med 26.8
3 Baltic 13.75
4 West_Med 11.01
5 Red_Sea 7.8
6 North_Atlantic 4.2
7 East_Asian 3.83
8 Sub-Saharan 1.4
9 Siberian 1.13
10 Oceanian 0.35
11 South_Asian 0.06

['owight Gavnah]

Can you add me please as well? Thanks!

North_Atlantic 5.42
Baltic 7.00
West_Med 2.95
West_Asian 36.45
East_Med 13.31
Red_Sea 0.26
South_Asian 23.43
East_Asian 3.70
Siberian 6.21
Amerindian 0.94
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.33
Sub-Saharan -

[HellLander87]

..

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Between Valencia and Galiza, nice :icon_biggrin:

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Gilgamesh and Illyrian added.
Illyrian with Kelmendasi make Albo cluster:)

https://s29.postimg.org/a79j84ytx/k13-pca.png

We show slight difference when comparing with pca map of eurogene k15, below I lean more with Bulgarians whereas in yours pca shows opposite.
http://i67.tinypic.com/2hi3yqe.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

We show slight difference when comparing with pca map of eurogene k15, below I lean more with Bulgarians whereas in yours pca shows opposite.
[IM]http://i67.tinypic.com/2hi3yqe.jpg[/IMG]
Yh you are more northern than me on K15 but on this and interpretome I am more northern for some reason. But still we are always plotting close to each other :D

[Kelmendasi]

We also form an Albanian/Kosovar cluster which is cool ;)

[DRUM]

North_Atlantic 20.43
Baltic 16.13
West_Med 22.36
West_Asian 11.89
East_Med 24.22
Red_Sea 3.81
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.10
Oceanian 0.06
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

thanks

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yh you are more northern than me on K15 but on this and interpretome I am more northern for some reason. But still we are always plotting close to each other :D

Yep, we are almost alike.

What caught me my eye in these calculators are snps used in each one of them and numbers of snps vary depending testing individual, some even are thousand snps short in specific calculator, makes me wonder how accurate or how clearer picture they may give if numbers of snps is not round for each of testing individual.

[Kelmendasi]

Yep, we are almost alike.

What caught me my eye in these calculators are snps used in each one of them and numbers of snps vary depending testing individual, some even are thousand snps short in specific calculator, makes me wonder how accurate or how clearer picture they may give if numbers of snps is not round for each of testing individual.
Yh companies that test more SNP's are more accurate IMO

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yh companies that test more SNP's are more accurate IMO

So far eurogene k15 seem to use the most snps for what I've noticed but even in that specific calculator the snps numbers vary one from another individual (I even compared our results more specifically snps used for sake of curiosity, and as expected our snps differ).....I'm seeking answer about this as no one has ever mention this before about these calculators.

[Ylla]

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.5
2 West_Med 23.29
3 North_Atlantic 20.55
4 Baltic 16.35
5 West_Asian 10.51
6 Red_Sea 1.21
7 Oceanian 0.23
8 East_Asian 0.18
9 Siberian 0.16

[A-ha]

I decided to make it publicly. If somebody want to add write your results.




<tbody>
Population



North_Atlantic
26.32


Baltic
45.80


West_Med
7.97


West_Asian
7.78


East_Med
5.10


Red_Sea
0.75


South_Asian
2.54


East_Asian
0.06


Siberian
1.99


Amerindian
-


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
1.68


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

dziękuję

[Lucas]

I waited because people still add results. Shortly I do new PCA with all:)

[Kelmendasi]

Could you add this Kosovar friend of mine on it please?
His results:
North_Atlantic 25.20
Baltic 20.98
West_Med 19.39
West_Asian 7.46
East_Med 23.70
Red_Sea 1.21
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.15
Siberian 0.28
Amerindian 0.17
Oceanian 1.32
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.14

[Lucas]

New PCA. Aha your are my cousin still, as in every calc:)

https://s12.postimg.org/bonehck9n/pca-new2.png

[Kelmendasi]

New PCA. Aha your are my cousin still, as in every calc:)

https://s12.postimg.org/bonehck9n/pca-new2.png
Nice. As expected my Kosovar friend should plot that north due to his partial Slavic ancestry

[Enflamme]

FAIL

[Karol Klačansky]

I find those trees pretty hard to understand tbh. What do they show/mean?
I also don't understand how to read the tree.

[Karol Klačansky]

https://s30.postimg.org/a8tkvraq7/pca-k13.png

I just don't understand PCA plots really. This plot seems so different from my actual population distances. In k13 I'm closer to estonians than to north Germans or swedes yet from the plot it looks like I plot so close to them. It's just hard for me to understand. Thanks for making this thread and plotting me though bro, it's much appreciated.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 East_German @ 8.596087
2 South_Polish @ 8.699465
3 Hungarian @ 10.036150
4 Austrian @ 10.831338
5 Polish @ 11.011834
6 Southwest_Finnish @ 11.235279
7 Ukrainian @ 11.254989
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 11.533505
9 Croatian @ 11.708292
10 North_Swedish @ 12.414757
11 Belorussian @ 14.338272
12 Estonian_Polish @ 14.669163
13 Russian_Smolensk @ 14.709253
14 Southwest_Russian @ 15.238096
15 Finnish @ 15.606089
16 Moldavian @ 15.725510
17 Estonian @ 15.991500
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.253641
19 Swedish @ 16.545988.

[Hadouken]

my oracle and population approx I get on K13 makes total sense for my placing on the pca plot . I guess it is just me ? . I plot exactly where I should based on k13

[Pahli]

my oracle and population approx I get on K13 makes total sense for my placing on the pca plot . I guess it is just me ? . I plot exactly where I should based on k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.72
2 East_Med 29.45
3 South_Asian 9.18
4 West_Med 6.35
5 Red_Sea 5.34
6 North_Atlantic 4.91
7 Baltic 1.81
8 Northeast_African 0.73
9 Siberian 0.62
10 East_Asian 0.38
11 Amerindian 0.3
12 Sub-Saharan 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.28
2 Iranian 5.27
3 Azeri 6.85
4 Armenian 9.56
5 Georgian_Jewish 11.06
6 Turkish 11.95
7 Assyrian 13.57
8 Georgian 14.49
9 Kumyk 15.13
10 Iranian_Jewish 15.65
11 Abhkasian 15.75
12 Kurdish_Jewish 16.28
13 Adygei 16.72
14 Turkmen 17.45
15 Ossetian 17.97
16 Balkar 18.55
17 North_Ossetian 19.22
18 Kabardin 19.81
19 Lezgin 20.35
20 Lebanese_Muslim 20.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.3% Kurdish + 3.7% Makrani @ 2.06
2 97.7% Kurdish + 2.3% Sindhi @ 2.08
3 97.1% Kurdish + 2.9% Brahui @ 2.09
4 98.5% Kurdish + 1.5% Velamas @ 2.09
5 98.6% Kurdish + 1.4% Kurumba @ 2.09
6 97.1% Kurdish + 2.9% Balochi @ 2.09
7 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Piramalai @ 2.1
8 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Dusadh @ 2.11
9 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% Sakilli @ 2.11
10 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Kol @ 2.12
11 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Chenchu @ 2.12
12 98.4% Kurdish + 1.6% Gujarati @ 2.12
13 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.12
14 98.6% Kurdish + 1.4% Dharkar @ 2.13
15 98.9% Kurdish + 1.1% Chamar @ 2.13
16 98.5% Kurdish + 1.5% Kshatriya @ 2.14
17 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Kanjar @ 2.14
18 98.5% Kurdish + 1.5% Brahmin_UP @ 2.14
19 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% North_Kannadi @ 2.15
20 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Bangladeshi @ 2.15

Yes, its also pretty good for me

[Karol Klačansky]

my oracle and population approx I get on K13 makes total sense for my placing on the pca plot . I guess it is just me ? . I plot exactly where I should based on k13
Well it doesn't seem to work for me. I think if u come from any sort of mixed back ground where the mixing comes from populations not next to each other the plot is thrown completely off

[Coolguy1]

North_Atlantic 17.66
Baltic 17.79
West_Med 18.12
West_Asian 14.32
East_Med 27.04
Red_Sea 3.22
South_Asian 0.53
East_Asian 0.37
Siberian 0.41
Amerindian 0.53


Please add!

[Karol Klačansky]

I find those trees pretty hard to understand tbh. What do they show/mean?
The tree is like a regression tree, it tries to find the best fit to seperate populations into different groups, and then break down those groups with in a sub group. So where u end up , u can then see what populations it kept u in a group with.

[oszkar07]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.91
2 Baltic 31.04
3 West_Med 12.32
4 East_Med 8.99
5 West_Asian 4.7
6 Siberian 2.29
7 Red_Sea 1.68
8 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 4.22
2 East_German 4.51
3 Hungarian 6.5
4 West_German 9.29
5 North_German 9.67
6 South_Dutch 10.06
7 North_Swedish 10.71
8 Swedish 11.21
9 Croatian 11.88
10 Danish 11.94
11 North_Dutch 12.25
12 South_Polish 12.64
13 Norwegian 12.91
14 Southeast_English 13.09
15 Serbian 13.32
16 Orcadian 13.64
17 Moldavian 13.9
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.27
19 French 14.29
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.6% North_Swedish + 27.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.6
2 72.5% North_Swedish + 27.5% Tuscan @ 2.61
3 76% North_Swedish + 24% West_Sicilian @ 2.65
4 68.1% West_German + 31.9% Belorussian @ 2.75
5 78.5% North_Swedish + 21.5% South_Italian @ 2.76
6 76.7% North_Swedish + 23.3% Central_Greek @ 2.8
7 77.2% North_Swedish + 22.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.81
8 80.6% North_Swedish + 19.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.82
9 66.2% South_Dutch + 33.8% Belorussian @ 2.83
10 66% South_Dutch + 34% Southwest_Russian @ 2.88
11 80.4% North_Swedish + 19.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.94
12 68.5% West_German + 31.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.96
13 77.8% North_Swedish + 22.2% Ashkenazi @ 2.99
14 75.3% North_Swedish + 24.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.01
15 57.4% French + 42.6% Finnish @ 3.04
16 66.6% South_Dutch + 33.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.04
17 77.8% Austrian + 22.2% North_Swedish @ 3.04
18 68.6% Hungarian + 31.4% Norwegian @ 3.05
19 67.5% Hungarian + 32.5% North_Dutch @ 3.11
20 55.8% North_Swedish + 44.2% Serbian @ 3.14

Please add me in, Thanks.

[Grace O'Malley]

Can you please add me mlukas? Thanks

Population
North_Atlantic 52.04
Baltic 25.27
West_Med 9.81
West_Asian 7.25
East_Med 1.77
Red_Sea 1.50
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75
Amerindian 1.38
Oceanian 0.24
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Lucas]

https://s15.postimg.org/evi35sq21/pca-new2.png

[Lucas]

Interesting thhat in K36 PCA you have nearly the same posistion as in K13. But averages were different. Your components also.

[Ylla]

Greeks seem to be caucasus shifted versions of us.

[Böri]

https://s15.postimg.org/evi35sq21/pca-new2.png

Finns are closer to North Turkic peoples than to Iberians and Turks clear cut different than MENA's and else. Interesting.

[Hadouken]

I wonder what Kurdish samples where used tbh. . it seems they are not necessarily that representative in this calculator

[Lucas]

I wonder what Kurdish samples where used tbh. . it seems they are not necessarily that representative in this calculator

I wonder why people like so much K13. It has limited dataset of populations. Only Spain for some reason has so many regions.

[Hadouken]

I wonder why people like so much K13. It has limited dataset of populations. Only Spain for some reason has so many regions.

I think it is a good calc . my opinion at least but I am not as knowledged as some of you

which calcs do you like/find accurate ?

[Karol Klačansky]

Interesting thhat in K36 PCA you have nearly the same posistion as in K13. But averages were different. Your components also.
The K36 plot is similar but not as extreme as this one. Something is drastically lost when going from a 3D plot to a 2D plot with me. My genetic distances on this calculator have me literally closer to estonians than to north Germans and swedes but by just looking at the plot you would never think that.

We can add my father though so the plot has a Slovak reference

Population
North_Atlantic31.35
Baltic38.97
West_Med11.14
West_Asian4.70
East_Med9.29
Red_Sea1.40
South_Asian0.91
East_Asian-
Siberian0.30
Amerindian0.78
Oceanian0.77
Northeast_African0.13
Sub-Saharan0.26

Here's his population sharing
1 South_Polish @ 5.019654
2 Croatian @ 6.901285
3 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.939188
4 Ukrainian @ 7.320280
5 Hungarian @ 8.096318
6 Polish @ 8.691399
7 East_German @ 10.259827
8 Moldavian @ 10.957842
9 Southwest_Russian @ 11.116245
10 Austrian @ 11.726046
11 Russian_Smolensk @ 11.755783
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 11.985136
13 Estonian_Polish @ 12.072829
14 Belorussian @ 12.089615
15 Southwest_Finnish @ 13.510853
16 Serbian @ 15.507623
17 Estonian @ 15.806541
18 Finnish @ 15.818435
19 Kargopol_Russian @ 15.818973
20 North_Swedish @ 16.439354

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I wonder why people like so much K13. It has limited dataset of populations. Only Spain for some reason has so many regions.

Iberia is one of the most homogeneous regions in Europe, I also wonder why there are so many subdivisions.

[jingorex]

Karol.Klacansky asked me about doing Eurogenes K13 PCA (for Europe & MENA) with his results. I decided to make it publicly. If somebody want to add write your results.


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.77
2 Atlantic 23.77
3 West_Med 10.81
4 Baltic 10.13
5 Eastern_Euro 8.43
6 East_Med 4.71
7 West_Asian 4.04
8 Amerindian 1.47
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 Southeast_Asian 0.33
11 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.34
2 Southwest_English 5.46
3 Southeast_English 6.06
4 South_Dutch 6.16
5 North_Dutch 6.19
6 Danish 6.74
7 North_German 7.16
8 Norwegian 7.54
9 Orcadian 7.61
10 Irish 7.66
11 West_Scottish 7.78
12 West_Norwegian 8.56
13 Swedish 8.71
14 French 9.07
15 North_Swedish 11.27
16 East_German 11.69
17 Hungarian 15.14
18 Austrian 15.85
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.13
20 Spanish_Galicia 16.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% West_Norwegian + 27.7% North_Italian @ 1.93
2 73.4% West_German + 26.6% Orcadian @ 2.02
3 74.5% West_German + 25.5% West_Scottish @ 2.15
4 69.2% West_German + 30.8% Southeast_English @ 2.2
5 74.7% West_German + 25.3% Irish @ 2.23
6 67% West_German + 33% Southwest_English @ 2.28
7 70.4% West_German + 29.6% North_Dutch @ 2.3
8 77.3% West_German + 22.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.3
9 73.2% West_German + 26.8% Danish @ 2.42
10 75.9% West_Norwegian + 24.1% Tuscan @ 2.46
11 76.2% West_German + 23.8% Norwegian @ 2.49
12 51.6% West_Norwegian + 48.4% French @ 2.55
13 68.5% West_Norwegian + 31.5% Portuguese @ 2.71
14 55.2% Norwegian + 44.8% French @ 2.8
15 82.3% West_German + 17.7% Swedish @ 2.83
16 75.6% Norwegian + 24.4% North_Italian @ 2.85
17 70.7% West_Norwegian + 29.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.93
18 67.1% West_Norwegian + 32.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.94
19 67.8% West_Norwegian + 32.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.94
20 70.7% West_Norwegian + 29.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.97

[Lucas]

Iberia is one of the most homogeneous regions in Europe, I also wonder why there are so many subdivisions.

Better would be France. North-East and SW-France are very different gentically.

[Hadouken]

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.77
2 Atlantic 23.77
3 West_Med 10.81
4 Baltic 10.13
5 Eastern_Euro 8.43
6 East_Med 4.71
7 West_Asian 4.04
8 Amerindian 1.47
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 Southeast_Asian 0.33
11 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.34
2 Southwest_English 5.46
3 Southeast_English 6.06
4 South_Dutch 6.16
5 North_Dutch 6.19
6 Danish 6.74
7 North_German 7.16
8 Norwegian 7.54
9 Orcadian 7.61
10 Irish 7.66
11 West_Scottish 7.78
12 West_Norwegian 8.56
13 Swedish 8.71
14 French 9.07
15 North_Swedish 11.27
16 East_German 11.69
17 Hungarian 15.14
18 Austrian 15.85
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.13
20 Spanish_Galicia 16.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% West_Norwegian + 27.7% North_Italian @ 1.93
2 73.4% West_German + 26.6% Orcadian @ 2.02
3 74.5% West_German + 25.5% West_Scottish @ 2.15
4 69.2% West_German + 30.8% Southeast_English @ 2.2
5 74.7% West_German + 25.3% Irish @ 2.23
6 67% West_German + 33% Southwest_English @ 2.28
7 70.4% West_German + 29.6% North_Dutch @ 2.3
8 77.3% West_German + 22.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.3
9 73.2% West_German + 26.8% Danish @ 2.42
10 75.9% West_Norwegian + 24.1% Tuscan @ 2.46
11 76.2% West_German + 23.8% Norwegian @ 2.49
12 51.6% West_Norwegian + 48.4% French @ 2.55
13 68.5% West_Norwegian + 31.5% Portuguese @ 2.71
14 55.2% Norwegian + 44.8% French @ 2.8
15 82.3% West_German + 17.7% Swedish @ 2.83
16 75.6% Norwegian + 24.4% North_Italian @ 2.85
17 70.7% West_Norwegian + 29.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.93
18 67.1% West_Norwegian + 32.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.94
19 67.8% West_Norwegian + 32.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.94
20 70.7% West_Norwegian + 29.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.97

what is your ethnicity ?

[Karol Klačansky]

Here is my Czech Moravian friend.

Population
North_Atlantic33.63
Baltic39.21
West_Med9.34
West_Asian5.61
East_Med8.97
Red_Sea1.13
South_Asian-
East_Asian-
Siberian- Amerindian1.39
Oceanian0.17
Northeast_African0.50
Sub-Saharan-

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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Better would be France. North-East and SW-France are very different gentically.

Yes, it would be cool if other nations had more sub-divisions for better accuracy.

[Böri]

Kurdish sample is correct (Kurds from Turkey generally there also Iraq Kurds more Arab like than that), what's not representing maybe 'Iranian, they took certainly half Azeri half Persian peoples from north most of country. Georgian-Abhassian actually genetically closer to MENA than Turks do. Good job mlukas Thank you, :) will be used in future

[de Burgh II]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.64
2 Baltic 19.98
3 West_Med 15.56
4 West_Asian 5.99
5 East_Med 4.3
6 Amerindian 1.2
7 South_Asian 1.05
8 Red_Sea 1
9 Northeast_African 0.23
10 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 3.13
2 Southeast_English 3.8
3 West_Scottish 5.29
4 Orcadian 5.29
5 Irish 5.42
6 South_Dutch 6.37
7 North_Dutch 7.18
8 Danish 7.67
9 West_German 7.91
10 North_German 8.74
11 Norwegian 9.54
12 French 9.87
13 Swedish 11.92
14 Austrian 15.08
15 East_German 15.97
16 Spanish_Cataluna 16.26
17 Southwest_French 17.31
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.4
19 Spanish_Cantabria 17.65
20 North_Swedish 17.81

[jingorex]

what is your ethnicity ?

American.

[Hadouken]

Kurdish sample is correct (Kurds from Turkey generally there also Iraq Kurds more Arab like than that), what's not representing maybe 'Iranian, they took certainly half Azeri half Persian peoples from north most of country. Georgian-Abhassian actually genetically closer to MENA than Turks do. Good job mlukas Thank you, :) will be used in future

some others said this too but what do you base this on . just curious

I also suspected that the iranians used are often from more north/northwest but I dont know for sure

[Lucas]

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.77
2 Atlantic 23.77
3 West_Med 10.81
4 Baltic 10.13
5 Eastern_Euro 8.43
6 East_Med 4.71
7 West_Asian 4.04
8 Amerindian 1.47
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 Southeast_Asian 0.33
11 Northeast_African 0.08


K15 probably:)

[Lucas]

New users:)

https://s8.postimg.org/p4v1rbjyb/image.png

[jingorex]

K15 probably:)

ok trying again. lol

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.04
2 Baltic 22.75
3 West_Med 14.67
4 East_Med 7.03
5 West_Asian 6.04
6 Amerindian 1.8
7 East_Asian 0.73
8 Oceanian 0.68
9 Northeast_African 0.15
10 Sub-Saharan 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 3.26
2 West_German 3.53
3 Southeast_English 4.85
4 North_German 6.74
5 Orcadian 6.78
6 Southwest_English 6.86
7 North_Dutch 7.11
8 Danish 7.3
9 Irish 7.77
10 West_Scottish 8.23
11 French 8.36
12 Norwegian 9.38
13 Austrian 10.39
14 Swedish 10.52
15 East_German 11.54
16 Hungarian 14.8
17 North_Swedish 15.26
18 Spanish_Cataluna 15.69
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.01
20 Spanish_Galicia 17.22

[Lucas]

ok trying again. lol

Updated with Jingorex
https://s11.postimg.org/qpuxob4lt/image.png

[Ibericus]

North_Atlantic 40.18
Baltic 11.72
West_Med 25.49
West_Asian 1.37
East_Med 15.92
Red_Sea 3.30
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.84
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.28
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.57
Sub-Saharan 0.33

[Karol Klačansky]

New users:)

https://s8.postimg.org/p4v1rbjyb/image.png
How am I so far from my dad and the Czech Moravian [emoji1] . I'm three quarters Slovak not half, I should be closest to them. My results, and population distances reflect my ancestry really well, just the PCA plot doesn't [emoji38]


On the k15 plot that the Czech Moravian guy made, it looks way more accurate according toy Ancestry. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170524/eebfb9587133ba051cf54ce7b45da286.jpg

[Lucas]

With Ibericus

https://s13.postimg.org/z3xp9qzc5/k13.png

[Mazik]

:)

North_Atlantic 40.84
Baltic 35.89
West_Med 9.04
West_Asian 4.09
East_Med 2.64
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.88
East_Asian 1.31
Siberian 3.25
Amerindian 0.15
Oceanian 0.71
Northeast_African 0.21
Sub-Saharan

[Jana]

Please add me :)


Baltic 32.36
North_Atlantic 29.78
West_Med 15.85
West_Asian 11.11
East_Med 9.41
Siberian 0.95
East_Asian 0.52

[magicalM]

Karol.Klacansky asked me about doing Eurogenes K13 PCA (for Europe & MENA) with his results. I decided to make it publicly. If somebody want to add write your results.

https://s30.postimg.org/a8tkvraq7/pca-k13.png

[magicalM]

Karol.Klacansky asked me about doing Eurogenes K13 PCA (for Europe & MENA) with his results. I decided to make it publicly. If somebody want to add write your results.

https://s30.postimg.org/a8tkvraq7/pca-k13.png
Population
North_Atlantic 35.95
Baltic 29.67
West_Med 14.53
West_Asian 10.62
East_Med 5.39
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.95
East_Asian 0.98
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.56
Sub-Saharan 0.33

[Karol Klačansky]

My Czech friend and user Syky made this PCA plot from the k13 and it seems to visually better represent my population distances https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170608/0b29d2e9138799c7a6865e365c6960be.jpg

[alnortedelsur]

My Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.93
2 West_Med 21.66
3 East_Med 15.12
4 Baltic 9.55
5 Amerindian 6.51
6 Sub-Saharan 5.77
7 West_Asian 4.36
8 Red_Sea 3.2
9 Northeast_African 1.08
10 Siberian 0.82

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 11.4
2 Portuguese 11.44
3 North_Italian 11.78
4 Spanish_Murcia 12.29
5 Spanish_Galicia 12.35
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.1
7 Spanish_Andalucia 13.4
8 Spanish_Valencia 13.44
9 Spanish_Cataluna 13.53
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.16
11 Tuscan 14.23
12 Spanish_Cantabria 15.14
13 French 15.82
14 Spanish_Aragon 16.47
15 Southwest_French 16.95
16 West_Sicilian 18.62
17 Romanian 19.19
18 Italian_Abruzzo 19.22
19 Greek_Thessaly 19.25
20 West_German 19.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 9.1% North_Amerindian @ 7.12
2 90.9% Portuguese + 9.1% North_Amerindian @ 7.2
3 91.7% Portuguese + 8.3% Mayan @ 7.23
4 92% Portuguese + 8% Pima @ 7.29
5 92.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 7.9% Pima @ 7.31
6 91.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 8.2% Mayan @ 7.32
7 92.9% Portuguese + 7.1% Karitiana @ 7.41
8 93% Spanish_Extremadura + 7% Karitiana @ 7.47
9 88.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 11.4% West_Greenlander @ 7.94
10 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% Mayan @ 8.04
11 89.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 10.1% East_Greenlander @ 8.05
12 90.5% Spanish_Galicia + 9.5% North_Amerindian @ 8.08
13 90.6% Spanish_Murcia + 9.4% North_Amerindian @ 8.1
14 91.3% Spanish_Galicia + 8.7% Mayan @ 8.13
15 92.3% North_Italian + 7.7% Pima @ 8.13
16 91.7% Spanish_Galicia + 8.3% Pima @ 8.16
17 91.4% Spanish_Murcia + 8.6% Mayan @ 8.17
18 91.3% North_Italian + 8.7% North_Amerindian @ 8.17
19 93.1% North_Italian + 6.9% Karitiana @ 8.19
20 91.8% Spanish_Murcia + 8.2% Pima @ 8.2

Add me to that map, please...

[Lucas]

Added MagicalM and Alnortedelsur

https://s17.postimg.org/tncigqxnx/pcak13.png

[Not a Cop]

Grandmothers:

North_Atlantic 27.88
Baltic 45.53
West_Med 7.79
West_Asian 8.90
East_Med 2.89
Red_Sea 1.40
South_Asian 1.91
East_Asian 0.50
Siberian 1.23
Amerindian 0.48
Oceanian 1.48
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

North_Atlantic 30.17
Baltic 50.64
West_Med 5.08
West_Asian 3.98
East_Med 1.67
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.97
East_Asian 0.27
Siberian 5.01
Amerindian 0.55
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.66

Grandfathers:

North_Atlantic 26.58
Baltic 45.49
West_Med 9.94
West_Asian 6.24
East_Med 3.59
Red_Sea 2.26
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 3.00
Amerindian 1.58
Oceanian 1.33
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

North_Atlantic 38.21
Baltic 36.76
West_Med 9.55
West_Asian 8.01
East_Med 3.52
Red_Sea 0.14
South_Asian 2.05
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.06
Amerindian 0.72
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Some guy :

North_Atlantic 28.78
Baltic 45.92
West_Med 5.86
West_Asian 8.89
East_Med 2.88
Red_Sea 0.46
South_Asian 1.16
East_Asian 0.26
Siberian 2.82
Amerindian 1.83
Oceanian 0.87
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.27

[Erronkari]

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.52
2 West_Med 33.69
3 East_Med 8.12
4 Amerindian 3.89
5 Baltic 3.55
6 West_Asian 3.02
7 East_Asian 1.18
8 South_Asian 0.82
9 Oceanian 0.63
10 Sub-Saharan 0.58

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Aragon 8.22
2 Spanish_Cantabria 9.89
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 9.96
4 French_Basque 10.13
5 Spanish_Andalucia 10.48
6 Southwest_French 10.59
7 Spanish_Valencia 11.51
8 Spanish_Murcia 11.99
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.41
10 Spanish_Extremadura 12.42
11 Spanish_Cataluna 12.51
12 Spanish_Galicia 13.54
13 Portuguese 13.82
14 French 18.73
15 North_Italian 19.11
16 South_Dutch 23.78
17 Tuscan 24.49
18 West_German 24.51
19 Southwest_English 25.27
20 Southeast_English 25.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.8% French_Basque + 15.2% Cyprian @ 5.2
2 80% French_Basque + 20% South_Italian @ 5.21
3 82.1% French_Basque + 17.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.32
4 85.6% French_Basque + 14.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 5.32
5 86.7% French_Basque + 13.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.32
6 81.9% French_Basque + 18.1% Italian_Jewish @ 5.36
7 87.1% French_Basque + 12.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.36
8 86.9% French_Basque + 13.1% Assyrian @ 5.37
9 85.8% French_Basque + 14.2% Syrian @ 5.38
10 86.4% French_Basque + 13.6% Samaritan @ 5.39
11 82% French_Basque + 18% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.39
12 83.5% French_Basque + 16.5% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.4
13 87.1% French_Basque + 12.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.41
14 83.5% French_Basque + 16.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.43
15 86.7% French_Basque + 13.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.44
16 77.8% French_Basque + 22.2% West_Sicilian @ 5.5
17 86.4% French_Basque + 13.6% Jordanian @ 5.51
18 86.9% French_Basque + 13.1% Armenian @ 5.57
19 87.2% French_Basque + 12.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.57
20 80.4% French_Basque + 19.6% East_Sicilian @ 5.59


Thank you in advance! ;)

[Jana]

Hey, you forgot me. Post #80 :P

[Ylla]

Sorcelow and I are the most southern euros so far

[Lucas]

https://s24.postimg.org/mvzibel3n/pcak13.png

[Erronkari]

Oh! My cluster is with aragonese people!
Thank you very much mlukas!! Excellent job!!!! :D

[Lucas]

:)


With Mazik and Feichy:)

https://s14.postimg.org/rz1qn68u7/pcak13.png

[magicalM]

Thanks for adding me:-)

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[Kelmendasi]

Can you please add this other Kosovar friend of mine, you can put him under as K's-Friend or something like that lol. He scores West Euro on most Calculators which may explain his northern/western values:

Population
North_Atlantic 26.72
Baltic 18.19
West_Med 18.88
West_Asian 11.28
East_Med 21.32
Red_Sea 2.36
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.41
Siberian 0.34
Amerindian 0.27
Oceanian 0.20
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Not a Cop]

With Mazik and Feichy:)

https://s14.postimg.org/rz1qn68u7/pcak13.png

Interesting, my maternal gps seem to be firmly in Slavic cluster, while paternal are pretty far from it, yet i'm still more or less within it.

[Peterski]

Can you add me as well? Below are my results:
(average from FTDNA + 23andMe format kits)

Population
North_Atlantic 32.03
Baltic 41.93
West_Med 9.475
West_Asian 7.605
East_Med 6.92
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 1.2
East_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0.48
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0.355
Sub-Saharan 0

[Lucas]

Litvin and Kelmendasi friend

https://s12.postimg.org/9zsh5262j/k13.png

[Dick]

Can you please add this other Kosovar friend of mine, you can put him under as K's-Friend or something like that lol. He scores West Euro on most Calculators which may explain his northern/western values:

Population
North_Atlantic 26.72
Baltic 18.19
West_Med 18.88
West_Asian 11.28
East_Med 21.32
Red_Sea 2.36
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.41
Siberian 0.34
Amerindian 0.27
Oceanian 0.20
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

You guys plot with Hellander. Isn't he a Slavovlach? Says a lot about you kosovar Albanians then.

[Oddone]

Can you add these two? Thanks


North_Atlantic 32.53
Baltic 16.13
West_Med 26.08
West_Asian 6.57
East_Med 17.10
Red_Sea 0.17
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.42
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

North_Atlantic 31.95
Baltic 16.73
West_Med 23.74
West_Asian 8.45
East_Med 15.40
Red_Sea 2.44
South_Asian 0.16
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.13
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Kelmendasi]

You guys plot with Hellander. Isn't he a Slavovlach? Says a lot about you kosovar Albanians then.
Nah only two Albos plot with him close although me and Illyrian are a bit more distant but closer to him than Ylla and DRUM are, my Kosovar friend has Northern European influence and not Slavic, my other more northern Kosovar friend has actual Slavic ancestry. The others don't which is why they don't plot with Hellander although they are Kosovars

[Karol Klačansky]

Will you add my brother Lukas?

Sent from my KIW-L21 using Tapatalk

[Peterski]

Add also these Eastern Germans, I wonder how close to West Slavs they plot:

1) Krampetz (GEDCOM ID#: 5380745):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 45
2 North_Atlantic 31.54
3 West_Med 10.42
4 East_Med 6.16
5 West_Asian 4.03
6 Amerindian 1.38
7 Oceanian 1.21
8 South_Asian 0.24

2) Windmoeller (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.43
2 North_Atlantic 37.01
3 West_Med 12.1
4 West_Asian 4.1
5 East_Med 3.24
6 Red_Sea 1.43
7 Northeast_African 0.63
8 Oceanian 0.6
9 South_Asian 0.43
10 Amerindian 0.03

3) Steinbach1 (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.36
2 North_Atlantic 36.24
3 West_Med 10.41
4 West_Asian 6.13
5 East_Med 4.08
6 Amerindian 0.96
7 Red_Sea 0.89
8 Oceanian 0.88
9 Northeast_African 0.05

4) Schauer (GEDCOM ID#: 5564977):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.7
2 North_Atlantic 33.89
3 West_Med 13.07
4 West_Asian 5.81
5 South_Asian 2.36
6 East_Med 1.85
7 Oceanian 1.28
8 Amerindian 0.91
9 Sub-Saharan 0.42
10 Northeast_African 0.39
11 Siberian 0.31

5) Kopitzke (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.49
2 Baltic 38.19
3 West_Med 11.86
4 West_Asian 6.4
5 East_Med 3.13
6 Oceanian 0.77
7 East_Asian 0.53
8 Northeast_African 0.34
9 Amerindian 0.29

6) Steinbach2 (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.9
2 Baltic 37.97
3 West_Med 11.68
4 West_Asian 4.08
5 East_Med 3.16
6 South_Asian 1.3
7 Red_Sea 1.04
8 Amerindian 0.61
9 Sub-Saharan 0.57
10 Oceanian 0.5
11 Northeast_African 0.2

7) Matthia (http://www.matthia.org):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.77
2 North_Atlantic 33.92
3 West_Med 13.3
4 East_Med 5.63
5 West_Asian 5.32
6 Red_Sea 1.77
7 Amerindian 1.49
8 Oceanian 1.01
9 Siberian 0.48
10 Northeast_African 0.14
11 Sub-Saharan 0.14
12 East_Asian 0.04

[Peterski]

Add these Uber-Baltic Lithuanians/Latvians (I wonder how will this affect the PCA):

1) Mantas (kit M434508):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 60.31
2 North_Atlantic 21.62
3 West_Med 6.55
4 West_Asian 5.78
5 East_Med 2.37
6 Red_Sea 1.37
7 Oceanian 0.95
8 South_Asian 0.54
9 Amerindian 0.36
10 Siberian 0.16

2) Skele (kit A146377):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 60.18
2 North_Atlantic 25.86
3 West_Med 5.87
4 West_Asian 3.75
5 Amerindian 1.6
6 Oceanian 0.85
7 Sub-Saharan 0.76
8 Red_Sea 0.42
9 South_Asian 0.35
10 Siberian 0.3
11 East_Med 0.05
12 Northeast_African 0.01

3) Valentinas (kit T940605):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 59.04
2 North_Atlantic 26.38
3 West_Med 8.05
4 West_Asian 3.83
5 East_Asian 1.17
6 Northeast_African 0.54
7 Amerindian 0.29
8 Siberian 0.26
9 South_Asian 0.19
10 Oceanian 0.16
11 East_Med 0.11

4) Steponas (kit T751932):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 58.42
2 North_Atlantic 25.84
3 West_Med 9.64
4 East_Med 2.99
5 West_Asian 1.05
6 Siberian 0.86
7 Oceanian 0.73
8 Amerindian 0.4
9 Sub-Saharan 0.06
10 South_Asian 0.01

5) Sadauskas (kit T589878):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 58.3
2 North_Atlantic 26.31
3 West_Med 7.81
4 West_Asian 2.69
5 Red_Sea 2.56
6 Oceanian 1.56
7 Siberian 0.4
8 Amerindian 0.38

6) Dzikaras (kit M333034):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 58.14
2 North_Atlantic 27.1
3 West_Med 8.73
4 West_Asian 2.83
5 Siberian 1.09
6 Amerindian 0.86
7 Oceanian 0.76
8 South_Asian 0.3
9 Northeast_African 0.19

7) MildaM (kit M344515):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 57.73
2 North_Atlantic 25.58
3 West_Med 7.82
4 West_Asian 2.71
5 East_Med 2.56
6 South_Asian 1.08
7 Northeast_African 0.82
8 Oceanian 0.64
9 Siberian 0.57
10 Amerindian 0.49

8) R-YP420 (kit F215487):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 57.94
2 North_Atlantic 27.93
3 West_Med 7.94
4 West_Asian 3.11
5 Sub-Saharan 1.06
6 Amerindian 0.92
7 Oceanian 0.66
8 South_Asian 0.36
9 Red_Sea 0.08

[Not a Cop]

Add also these Eastern Germans, I wonder how close to West Slavs they plot:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.43
2 North_Atlantic 37.01
3 West_Med 12.1
4 West_Asian 4.1
5 East_Med 3.24
6 Red_Sea 1.43
7 Northeast_African 0.63
8 Oceanian 0.6
9 South_Asian 0.43
10 Amerindian 0.03

3) Steinbach1 (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.36
2 North_Atlantic 36.24
3 West_Med 10.41
4 West_Asian 6.13
5 East_Med 4.08
6 Amerindian 0.96
7 Red_Sea 0.89
8 Oceanian 0.88
9 Northeast_African 0.05

4) Schauer (GEDCOM ID#: 5564977):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.7
2 North_Atlantic 33.89
3 West_Med 13.07
4 West_Asian 5.81
5 South_Asian 2.36
6 East_Med 1.85
7 Oceanian 1.28
8 Amerindian 0.91
9 Sub-Saharan 0.42
10 Northeast_African 0.39
11 Siberian 0.31

5) Kopitzke (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.49
2 Baltic 38.19
3 West_Med 11.86
4 West_Asian 6.4
5 East_Med 3.13
6 Oceanian 0.77
7 East_Asian 0.53
8 Northeast_African 0.34
9 Amerindian 0.29

6) Steinbach2 (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.9
2 Baltic 37.97
3 West_Med 11.68
4 West_Asian 4.08
5 East_Med 3.16
6 South_Asian 1.3
7 Red_Sea 1.04
8 Amerindian 0.61
9 Sub-Saharan 0.57
10 Oceanian 0.5
11 Northeast_African 0.2



Thoose guys should be around my granddad, very similar results.

[Lucas]

Ok. Not all Balts because they plot in the same place so it's not needed.

Krampetz which is closet to Poles is German colonist form Northern Mazovia, for sure Polish admixed as PCA indicates.

@Not a Cop
You were right with your grandpa and East Germans.

Oddone kits are Od1, od2

https://s16.postimg.org/8m3q4qvv7/k13.png

[Peterski]

How about adding these three Early Medieval samples?:

RISE568 (Early Medieval Slavic, 600-900 AD):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 53.69
2 North_Atlantic 31.67
3 West_Med 11.82
4 East_Med 2.82

RISE569 (Early Medieval Slavic, 660-770 AD):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 41.29
2 North_Atlantic 38.59
3 West_Med 16.76
4 West_Asian 3.36

RISE174 (Early Medieval Germanic, 427-611 AD):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 55.26
2 Baltic 35.18
3 West_Med 5.1
4 West_Asian 3.55
5 Amerindian 0.91

[Lucas]

rISE174 is Super Uber Germanic. I bet skull was very Nordoid:)

https://s8.postimg.org/f102xto9f/k13.png

[Peterski]

Krampetz which is closet to Poles is German colonist form Northern Mazovia

These are his ancestors (a lot of West Prussian ancestry as well):

http://i.imgur.com/Fen4whg.png

[Lucas]

It's strange PCA sample positions are so stable. In other calculator's PCA they change with adding more kits.

[Lucas]

These are his ancestors (a lot of West Prussian ancestry as well):

http://i.imgur.com/Fen4whg.png

Mostly Lipno county as I said (except Jackowo / Górsk - Torun county). Lipno wasn't in West Prussia.

[Peterski]

rISE174 is Super Uber Germanic.

Iron Age Celts can be added too:

Hinxton1 (160 BC - 26 AD):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.91
2 Baltic 25.21
3 West_Med 11.62
4 West_Asian 7.26
5 Red_Sea 2.29
6 Northeast_African 1.16
7 Amerindian 0.34
8 Oceanian 0.21

Hinxton4 (170 BC - 80 AD):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.46
2 Baltic 24.02
3 West_Med 11.76
4 West_Asian 7.02
5 South_Asian 2.16
6 Sub-Saharan 0.87
7 Siberian 0.56
8 East_Asian 0.13

They are from this study:

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408

Hinxton4 is also on FTDNA:

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ancient-dna/about/background

[Lucas]

Enough:)
https://s1.postimg.org/y2g6qyszh/k13.png

[Peterski]

^^^ Eurogenes K13 is not very good for differentiating Insular Celts from Ingaevones. :) I think you should make a similar PCA based on K36, it differentiates Insular Celts from Germanics much beter.

From Anthrogenica (a comparison of Celtic Hinxtons, RISE174 and Saxon Hinxtons in K36):

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6287-Anglo-Saxon-DNA-Study&p=244590&viewfull=1#post244590


A.The Anglo Saxons are:
Rise 174 South Scandinavian (near Malmø) 500 AD:
- populations: Dutch Frisian 56%/ Denmark 44%
- region: Scandinavia (53%), Holland/North Germany (34%), British Isles (11%), Poland NW (1%), East German and Austria (1%)

Hinxton 2, 700 AD:
- population Dutch Frisian 68%/ Denmark 32%
- region Holland/N German (48%), Scandinavia (29%), British Isles (18%),SW Germany, Swiss, Tyrol (3%), Northern France/Belgium (3%)

Hinxton 3, 700 AD:
- population Dutch Frisian 71%/ Holland 29%
- region Holland/N German (48%), British Isles (26%), Scandinavia (20%), France North/Belgium(3%), Sw Germany, Swiss, Tyrol (2%)


B. The Celtic Britons are:
Hinxton 1, 0 AD:
- populations Fr Bretagne 68%/ Northern Ireland 32%
- regions France North/Belgium (53%), British Isles (44%). SW Germany, Swiss, Tyrol (2%), Holland/North German (1%), France Central/South (1%)

Hinxton 4, 0 AD:
- populations Ireland 61%/ England 39%
- regions British Isles (69%), France North/Belgium (18%), SW Germany. Swiss, Tyrol (5%), Holland/North German (5%), Scandinavia (3%)

C. Like modern UK:
Hinxton 5, 700 AD
- populations 68% England/32% British mixed
- regions British Isles (92%), Holland/North Geman (4%), North France/Belgium (2%), Scandinavia (1%), SW Germany, Swiss, Tyrol (1%).

Very clear results:
- The Anglo Saxons are very close related to the Ingvaeonic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingaevones) populations of Frisians, (North) Dutch, Danes, North Germans. The nucleus of the Ingvaeonic is to be found in outmost Northern Germany/ Jutland, and obviously best preserved in modern North Dutch populations.
- The Celtic Britons are close related to Ireland, Northern France/Belgium, with a touch of SW Germany, Swiss, Tyrol, it's
easy to detect the (influence of) Hallstatt/La Tene core areas.
- Hinxton 5 is a clear Anglo Saxon/ Celtic combination and through this mixture looks like a prototype of the modern day Brith!

[Lucas]

Eurogenes K13 is not very good for differentiating between Insular Celts and West Germanics. IMO you should make a PCA based on K36, it differentiates Celts from Germanics much beter:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6287-Anglo-Saxon-DNA-Study&p=244590&viewfull=1#post244590

I know. I made it just to compare. Because some people like K13 so much.

[Peterski]

I know. I made it just to compare. Becasue some people like K13 so much.

Probably for the same reason Slavic RISE568 plots close to Estonians / West Finns.

K36 would probably be able to distinguish Balto-Slavs from Estonians / West Finns.

[Lucas]

Tree, some interesting clusterings.

https://s24.postimg.org/czkewuczn/ward.png

[Peterski]

What is "weird" in this PCA, is that English samples plot between Ireland/Celtic Hinxtons and Spain, instead of plotting between Ireland/Celtic Hinxtons and some Germanics (RISE174 or North Germans):

(they are also a bit closer to West Germans, but still they pull mostly towards Spain)

https://s1.postimg.org/y2g6qyszh/k13.png

[Peterski]

RISE174 is Super Uber Germanic.

I suppose that he is neither more nor less Germanic than other Swedes in 427-611 AD.

Modern Swedes are southern-shifted compared to RISE174 due to influx of immigrants from various areas (including Germany and Russia) after 611 AD. And emigration of true Vikings. :)

See mtDNA evidence of admixture from Russia to Scandinavia during the Viking Age:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?204136-Slavic-and-Uralic-mtDNA-in-modern-Scandinavia-evidence-of-Vikings-kidnapping-wifes-in-Russia&p=4260511&viewfull=1#post4260511

Later during the Late Middle Ages a lot of Germans migrated to Sweden as well.

[Kelmendasi]

Tree, some interesting clusterings.

[IM]https://s24.postimg.org/czkewuczn/ward.png[/IMG]
Very nice. Me and the two other Albos and Hellander seem to make our own more northern-like Albanian/Vlach cluster whilst the other Albos make a more "pure" Albanian cluster

[Oddone]

Oddone kits are Od1, od2

https://s16.postimg.org/8m3q4qvv7/k13.png

thanks.

[alnortedelsur]

Added MagicalM and Alnortedelsur

https://s17.postimg.org/tncigqxnx/pcak13.png

I'm surprised that I cluster so close to Northern Italy. Thanks so much. Very good job :thumb001:

[Percivalle]

I'm surprised that I cluster so close to Northern Italy. Thanks so much. Very good job :thumb001:

On K13 Northern Italy is Bergamo HGDP and among the Northern Italian samples is the one closer to the Spanish cluster. Other Northern Italian samples go a bit more in the direction of Romania, Serbia.

[alnortedelsur]

On K13 Northern Italy is Bergamo HGDP and among the Northern Italian samples is the one closer to the Spanish cluster. Other Northern Italian samples go a bit more in the direction of Romania, Serbia.

However, in Eurogenes K15 I cluster close to Tuscany. Between Tuscany and Sardinia but closer to Tuscany.

[Percivalle]

However, in Eurogenes K15 I cluster close to Tuscany. Between Tuscany and Sardinia but closer to Tuscany.

Nothing strange, because K15 is slightly different from K13 and every calculator emphasizes a component rather than another. Also consider that in a PCA all the samples tend to influence each other on the position, and there is no doubt that North Italian (if based on Bergamo HGDP), Tuscan HGDP and Sardinian HGDP affect the position each other, and in turn, with internal differences, seem to be influenced by the Iberian cluster. For northern Italy it happens less if samples of northeastern Italy are used, which seem more autonomous from Tuscans, Sardinians and the Iberian cluster.

Then, if you look at the K13 PCA in the Op, there is a group of North African populations (Algerian, Tunisian, Mozabite Berber) that should not be there. This PCA includes only a fraction of the ethnicities or sub-ethnicities that are in the spreadsheet (there are about 180 different ethnicities or sub-ethnicities in K13). For example, all the African ethnicities where SSA has its peak aren't in the PCA. Who knows, maybe if you put all 180 ethnic groups in the PCA, the position of some ethnicities would change.

https://www.nature.com/article-assets/npg/nature/journal/v513/n7518/images/nature13673-f2.jpg
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15V4.png

[Peterski]

Enough:)
https://s1.postimg.org/y2g6qyszh/k13.png

RISE569 = 50% Hinxton-1 + 50% RISE568. ;)

[Peterski]

Add these two Northern Poles:

1) Kociewie (map of birthplaces of ancestors below):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.76
2 North_Atlantic 31.21
3 West_Med 12.11
4 West_Asian 6.61
5 East_Med 4.38
6 Siberian 1.88
7 Amerindian 1.31
8 Northeast_African 1.07
9 South_Asian 0.46
10 Oceanian 0.12
11 East_Asian 0.09

http://i.imgur.com/YBFUiB7.jpg

2) Firkus (map of birthplaces of ancestors below):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 44.9
2 North_Atlantic 36.64
3 West_Med 7.89
4 West_Asian 3.58
5 East_Med 2.07
6 Red_Sea 1.29
7 Siberian 1.16
8 Sub-Saharan 0.79
9 Amerindian 0.58
10 Oceanian 0.57
11 East_Asian 0.3
12 South_Asian 0.15
13 Northeast_African 0.06

http://i.imgur.com/SmkxBgT.jpg

Here is what Firkus gets in your K36 Oracle:

(Kashubians + Wielkopolska, exactly what I would expect):

http://i.imgur.com/IKr7wYD.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Could you please add IceT to this so that we can get a better idea of the Albanian cluster?

Population
North_Atlantic 25.02
Baltic 17.76
West_Med 21.65
West_Asian 9.75
East_Med 21.72
Red_Sea 2.22
South_Asian 0.86
East_Asian 0.20
Siberian 0.40
Amerindian 0.05
Oceanian 0.37
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan

[Lucas]

https://s18.postimg.org/6vosaefjb/k13.png

[Petalpusher]

Nothing strange, because K15 is slightly different from K13 and every calculator emphasizes a component rather than another. Also consider that in a PCA all the samples tend to influence each other on the position, and there is no doubt that North Italian (if based on Bergamo HGDP), Tuscan HGDP and Sardinian HGDP affect the position each other, and in turn, with internal differences, seem to be influenced by the Iberian cluster. For northern Italy it happens less if samples of northeastern Italy are used, which seem more autonomous from Tuscans, Sardinians and the Iberian cluster.

Then, if you look at the K13 PCA in the Op, there is a group of North African populations (Algerian, Tunisian, Mozabite Berber) that should not be there. This PCA includes only a fraction of the ethnicities or sub-ethnicities that are in the spreadsheet (there are about 180 different ethnicities or sub-ethnicities in K13). For example, all the African ethnicities where SSA has its peak aren't in the PCA. Who knows, maybe if you put all 180 ethnic groups in the PCA, the position of some ethnicities would change.


Yea the reason is this K13 pca isn't weighted with SSA or Amerindian etc..it's not a problem with K13 which is very similar to K15 (if you put your best fits of K13 on K15, you end up at the same point, or just off a few pixels). N.Italia/Tuscan like half way N.Africa and France... it's obviously wrong. Tolan's K15 is a lot more inline with a world pca which should always look something like a triangle, with W.Eurasia/SSA/E Asia, or a square including ASE/Amerindian.

[Lucas]

Yea the reason is this K13 pca isn't weighted with SSA or Amerindian etc..it's not a problem with K13 which is very similar to K15 (if you put your best fits of K13 on K15, you end up at the same point, or just off a few pixels). N.Italia/Tuscan like half way N.Africa and France... it's obviously wrong. Tolan's K15 is a lot more inline with a world pca which should always look something like a triangle, with W.Eurasia/SSA/E Asia, or a square including ASE/Amerindian.

Tolan K15 is not typical PCA. Original samples are not influneced by user results when added. It's something different.

And of course I used only part of references from K13 spreadsheet because I wanted plot to be clear. When I would add Black Africa and East Asia whole Europe would be squeezed.
I think nobody will be interested in such PCA with Euro results:) So you know... I can do such PCA, and it is even "triangluar" (HOLY SHIT! WOW!) but everybody from Europe would be so close that nobody can read it.



https://s4.postimg.org/5epn1woyz/k13.png

[Petalpusher]

Tolan K15 is not typical PCA. Original samples are not influneced by user results when added. It's something different.

And of course I used only part of references from K13 spreadsheet because I wanted plot to be clear. When I would add Black Africa and East Asia whole Europe would be squeezed.
I think nobody will be interested in such PCA with Euro results:) So you know... I can do such PCA, and it is even "triangluar" (HOLY SHIT! WOW!) but everybody from Europe would be so close that nobody can read it.



https://s4.postimg.org/5epn1woyz/k13.png
It's possible to do both at the same time, R can calculate a final set of coordinates from every components. The previous one is ok for Europe, just breaks once you put pop or people with SSA/Amerindian/E.Asian.

[Ibericus]

However, in Eurogenes K15 I cluster close to Tuscany. Between Tuscany and Sardinia but closer to Tuscany.
That's because of your non-euro mix that pulls you down. Because no full iberian cluster that low with Tuscans unless there is some admixture.

[MysteriousWays]

Please add the following (for me):

East Med: 37.83
North Atlantic: 17.27
West Med: 16.08
West Asian: 12.66
Baltic: 6.02
Red Sea: 5.36
East Asian: 1.56
Northeast African: 1.53
South Asian: 1.35
Amerindian: 0.36

Thanks.

[Kriptc06]

Karol.Klacansky asked me about doing Eurogenes K13 PCA (for Europe & MENA) with his results. I decided to make it publicly. If somebody want to add write your results.

[IMG]https://s30.postimg.org/a8tkvraq7/pca

can you add me, if its not a problem?
North_Atlantic 26.60
Baltic 11.20
West_Med 17.77
West_Asian 3.62
East_Med 12.17
Red_Sea 4.20
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 13.29
Oceanian 0.25
Northeast_African 0.35
Sub-Saharan 10.55

thanks

[alnortedelsur]

That's because of your non-euro mix that pulls you down. Because no full iberian cluster that low with Tuscans unless there is some admixture.

That's partially true (that my non-Euro admixture pulls me down), but I also have some real Italian admixture (my second grand grandpa from my Venezuelan dad's side was an Italian immigrant, including that my first surname is Italian, coming from him), and I score 6.5% Italian in 23AndMe, and 11% Italian (denominated as "South/Central European") in DNALand:

http://oi66.tinypic.com/dvhxcn.jpg

And keep in mind that my Spanish mom is from Mallorca (almost full native from there), in the very east of Spain (geographically closer to Italy), which is something that might help to increase my Italian score a little bit more.

That Italian mixture also contributes in putting me closer to the Italian cluster than full Iberians, not only my non-Euro admixture.

[FilhoV]

Yes Eurogenes

Hey Mlukas I heard you were very good at making plot maps is there anyway you can help me out with mine? My kit is T368399

Cheers

[Lucas]

Hey Mlukas I heard you were very good at making plot maps is there anyway you can help me out with mine? My kit is T368399

Cheers

Ok. You are full Azorean?

[FilhoV]

Ok. You are full Azorean?



Yes

[Potentia]

Here's my full Euro K13.

North_Atlantic 39.89
Baltic 11.20
West_Med 17.77
West_Asian 4.95
East_Med 10.27
Red_Sea 3.20

[Myanthropologies]

Can you do mine please?

Population
North_Atlantic 4.65
Baltic 10.88
West_Med -
West_Asian 40.43
East_Med 8.10
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 30.34
East_Asian 0.17
Siberian 2.35
Amerindian 1.67
Oceanian 0.70
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.70
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet

[RN97]

Thanks in advance

Population
North_Atlantic 38.70
Baltic 21.89
West_Med 14.90
West_Asian 7.60
East_Med 12.86
Red_Sea 0.06
South_Asian 2.15
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.24
Amerindian 0.20
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.39

[Myanthropologies]

Can you do mine please?

Population
North_Atlantic 4.65
Baltic 10.88
West_Med -
West_Asian 40.43
East_Med 8.10
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 30.34
East_Asian 0.17
Siberian 2.35
Amerindian 1.67
Oceanian 0.70
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.70
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet

Thanks in advance

[Pahli]

Mine:

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.72
2 East_Med 29.45
3 South_Asian 9.18
4 West_Med 6.35
5 Red_Sea 5.34
6 North_Atlantic 4.91
7 Baltic 1.81
8 Northeast_African 0.73
9 Siberian 0.62
10 East_Asian 0.38
11 Amerindian 0.3
12 Sub-Saharan 0.21

And:

Sarmatia_Propovka:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.71
2 North_Atlantic 34.15
3 West_Asian 23.41
4 South_Asian 2.41
5 Amerindian 1.46
6 Siberian 0.86

[Kouros]

Karol.Klacansky asked me about doing Eurogenes K13 PCA (for Europe & MENA) with his results. I decided to make it publicly. If somebody want to add write your results.

Mind adding mine and two other users? One of them would like to keep their results private for now so if you can add him as 'Romanian' or something like that it would be great. :)


Mine ('Kouros'):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 22.20
2 East_Med 20.45
3 West_Asian 17.92
4 North_Atlantic 17.70
5 Baltic 17.26
6 Red_Sea 3.54

Other user ('Romanian'):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.89
2 North_Atlantic 26.6
3 West_Med 17.78
4 East_Med 10.15
5 West_Asian 7.14
6 Siberian 1.26
7 East_Asian 1.1
8 Sub-Saharan 0.08

'Maintenance':

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 44.32
2 West_Asian 17.22
3 West_Med 12.28
4 North_Atlantic 11.42
5 Baltic 7.11
6 Red_Sea 4.03
7 South_Asian 3.62

[Maintenance]

Do me please

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 44.32
2 West_Asian 17.22
3 West_Med 12.28
4 North_Atlantic 11.42
5 Baltic 7.11
6 Red_Sea 4.03
7 South_Asian 3.62

[Kouros]

Do me please

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 44.32
2 West_Asian 17.22
3 West_Med 12.28
4 North_Atlantic 11.42
5 Baltic 7.11
6 Red_Sea 4.03
7 South_Asian 3.62

I already put it in my post :swatter:

[Lucas]

Oh, I must first find source file for it:) I hope it is somewhere on my HD.

[dddcc]

Could you do mine please?
North_Atlantic 32.12
Baltic 13.59
West_Med 15.81
West_Asian 4.24
East_Med 13.86
Red_Sea 10.00
South_Asian 0.49
East_Asian 0.51
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66
Oceanian 0.28
Northeast_African 4.98
Sub-Saharan 3.47

[Kouros]

Could you do mine please?

Post your results so he can add them (edit your post). He's prob working on it right now.

[dddcc]

North_Atlantic 32.12
Baltic 13.59
West_Med 15.81
West_Asian 4.24
East_Med 13.86
Red_Sea 10.00
South_Asian 0.49
East_Asian 0.51
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66
Oceanian 0.28
Northeast_African 4.98
Sub-Saharan 3.47

[Norka]

Count me in please.
Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.94
2 North_Atlantic 22.74
3 Siberian 8.17
4 West_Med 7.82
5 West_Asian 7.56
6 East_Med 4.49
7 East_Asian 0.9
8 Amerindian 0.89
9 Oceanian 0.86
10 Red_Sea 0.4
11 Northeast_African 0.22

[Norka]

Double post

[Freeroostah]

Time for some Balkan results :thumb001:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.6
2 West_Med 20.14
3 Baltic 19.4
4 North_Atlantic 18.68
5 West_Asian 13.55
6 Red_Sea 4.79
7 Sub-Saharan 0.68
8 Siberian 0.15

[Dick]

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.09
2 North_Atlantic 27.05
3 East_Med 18.62
4 West_Med 11.57
5 West_Asian 6.98
6 Red_Sea 2.92
7 East_Asian 0.6
8 Oceanian 0.08
9 Siberian 0.08

[FilhoV]

Count me in
Population
North_Atlantic 36.90
Baltic 9.37
West_Med 26.86
West_Asian 2.73
East_Med 15.65
Red_Sea 3.36
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.78
Oceanian 0.45
Northeast_African 1.87
Sub-Saharan 2.04

[FilhoV]

Double post

[Leto]

Is there a website like this for K13?
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[Leto]

Count me in please.
Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.94
2 North_Atlantic 22.74
3 Siberian 8.17
4 West_Med 7.82
5 West_Asian 7.56
6 East_Med 4.49
7 East_Asian 0.9
8 Amerindian 0.89
9 Oceanian 0.86
10 Red_Sea 0.4
11 Northeast_African 0.22
Your results look like you're 1/4 Volga Tatar, not Crimean. You score very little East Asian and not so much East Med either. Crimean Tatars are more West Asian than Volga Tatars and they also have more Mongolian/South Siberian influence.

[Jackson78]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.37
2 North_Atlantic 25.42
3 West_Med 16.86
4 West_Asian 11.24
5 East_Med 11.05
6 East_Asian 1.18
7 Red_Sea 0.9
8 Siberian 0.48
9 Oceanian 0.33
10 Amerindian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.23
2 Croatian 5.5
3 Serbian 6.61
4 Hungarian 8.06
5 Romanian 9.38
6 Bulgarian 11.27
7 Austrian 11.56
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.57
9 East_German 12.22
10 South_Polish 12.51
11 Ukrainian 12.84
12 Polish 15.96
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.42
14 Southwest_Russian 16.44
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.06
16 West_German 18.39
17 Estonian_Polish 18.78
18 Belorussian 19.48
19 South_Dutch 19.76
20 Greek_Thessaly 20.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Moldavian + 7.9% North_Italian @ 2.62
2 96% Moldavian + 4% Sardinian @ 2.68
3 93.8% Moldavian + 6.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.68
4 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.73
5 93.6% Moldavian + 6.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.74
6 95.8% Moldavian + 4.2% French_Basque @ 2.74
7 94% Moldavian + 6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.74
8 93.3% Moldavian + 6.7% Tuscan @ 2.74
9 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.75
10 94% Moldavian + 6% Southwest_French @ 2.75
11 84.1% Moldavian + 15.9% Romanian @ 2.75
12 78% Moldavian + 22% Serbian @ 2.76
13 94.2% Moldavian + 5.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.76
14 94% Moldavian + 6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.78
15 94.2% Moldavian + 5.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.78
16 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.8
17 87.1% Moldavian + 12.9% Bulgarian @ 2.8
18 94.2% Moldavian + 5.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.81
19 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Portuguese @ 2.82
20 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.85

[dimadoe]

Is OP still doing these?

North_Atlantic 20.19
Baltic 44.98
West_Med 11.34
West_Asian 6.63
East_Med 9.64
Red_Sea 0.46
South_Asian 2.33
East_Asian 0.79
Siberian 3.20
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.45

[Leto]

Is OP still doing these?

North_Atlantic 20.19
Baltic 44.98
West_Med 11.34
West_Asian 6.63
East_Med 9.64
Red_Sea 0.46
South_Asian 2.33
East_Asian 0.79
Siberian 3.20
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.45
Excuse me, what are you? Russian?

[dimadoe]

Excuse me, what are you? Russian?

As far as I know, 1/8th belorussian, 1/8th ukrainian, 1/8th jewish, the rest "russian". My parents are from Russia though.

[Leto]

As far as I know, 1/8th belorussian, 1/8th ukrainian, 1/8th jewish, the rest "russian". My parents are from Russia though.
That genetic make up is perfectly acceptable as Russian in my opinion. :) Ukr/Bel is Russian to me. Though I knew you were part something else. Usually people who are 10% East Med or more turn out to be part Ashkenazi.

[dimadoe]

That genetic make up is perfectly acceptable as Russian in my opinion. :) Ukr/Bel is Russian to me. Though I knew you were part something else. Usually people who are 10% East Med or more turn out to be part Ashkenazi.

Just out of curiosity, is there anything else in my results that indicates non russian heritage?

[Leto]

Just out of curiosity, is there anything else in my results that indicates non russian heritage?
The North Atlantic score is too low, actually. Usually it's around 25%, my mom is 23% and that's on the lower end of the spectrum. See Norka's result above, he's quarter Tatar.

[dimadoe]

The North Atlantic score is too low, actually. Usually it's around 25%, my mom is 23% and that's on the lower end of the spectrum. See Norka's result above, he's quarter Tatar.

Yes, I get similar results on K15. I have lower north sea/atlantic than the russian groups they have there, however my baltic is also slightly higher than average. Along with the elevated east med, I guess this can be attributed to my jewish ancestor.

[Leto]

Yes, I get similar results on K15. I have lower north sea/atlantic than the russian groups they have there, however my baltic is also slightly higher than average. Along with the elevated east med, I guess this can be attributed to my jewish ancestor.
Show me your Dodecad K12b results please. The Jewish part may be evident in them.

[dimadoe]

Show me your Dodecad K12b results please. The Jewish part may be evident in them.

Gedrosia 3.90
Siberian 1.71
Northwest_African 0.76
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 20.47
North_European 51.75
South_Asian 0.87
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.94
East_Asian 1.26
Caucasus 16.32
Sub_Saharan -

[Leto]

Gedrosia 3.90
Siberian 1.71
Northwest_African 0.76
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 20.47
North_European 51.75
South_Asian 0.87
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.94
East_Asian 1.26
Caucasus 16.32
Sub_Saharan -
The Caucasus score is well above the average. Compare with mine:

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 56.31
2 Atlantic_Med 18.91
3 Caucasus 10.8
4 Gedrosia 5.03
5 Siberian 4.61
6 Southwest_Asian 3.03
7 East_Asian 0.67
8 South_Asian 0.42
9 Southeast_Asian 0.23

And this a quarter Jewish person, the rest is Russian from European Russia

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.28
2 Atlantic_Med 23.61
3 Caucasus 18.73
4 Southwest_Asian 4.59
5 Siberian 2.85
6 Gedrosia 2.79
7 Northwest_African 1.69
8 Southeast_Asian 0.61
9 East_African 0.54
10 East_Asian 0.32

[Mingle]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.87
2 South_Asian 32.08
3 East_Med 8.5
4 North_Atlantic 7.92
5 Baltic 7.79
6 Siberian 2.25
7 East_Asian 0.3
8 Red_Sea 0.26
9 Sub-Saharan 0.04

[Coastal Elite]

North_Atlantic 40.75
Baltic 19.59
West_Med 15.69
West_Asian 9.31
East_Med 12.18
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.86
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.46
Amerindian 1.06
Oceanian 0.11
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[MercifulServant]

Population
North_Atlantic 23.13
Baltic 30.06
West_Med 19.04
West_Asian 12.54
East_Med 10.36
Red_Sea 3.40
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.20
Siberian 0.73
Amerindian 0.18
Oceanian 0.37
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Thorns]

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 North_Atlantic 49.43
2 Baltic 24.75
3 West_Med 13.39
4 West_Asian 6.94
5 East_Med 3.01
6 Oceanian 1.06
7 Siberian 0.49
8 Red_Sea 0.49
9 Northeast_African 0.36
10 Amerindian 0.08