Italy’s Woman Problem

[Loki]

Italy’s Woman Problem (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/15/bunga-bunga-nation-berlusconi-s-italy-hurts-women.html#)

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It’s 8:30 p.m., and all eyes turn to Italy’s most popular satirical news program, Striscia la Notizia (Strip the News). Two middle-aged men stand under a strobe light, one of them holding a belt from which dangles a vaguely phallic string of garlic. A woman slides across the floor on her stomach, wearing a sequined costume with a thong bottom and a deep-V neckline that plunges below her navel. As she stands up, one of the men dangles the garlic in front of her open mouth. She takes it in her hands and rubs it across the side of her face. “Go, turn around, let’s give you a little look,” the other man says, and touches the model’s derrière. “Thank you, doll.”

That’s how prime time is in Italy. The parade of prurience is inescapable, an expression of the rot that’s now manifest at the very top of the Italian government, a reflection of the society’s deeper problem with the evolving role of women. While headlines tell an endless tale of teenage models, paid escorts, and Moroccan belly dancers cavorting with 74-year-old Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, the media make it clear that men are men, and women are window dressing. Boycotts, protests, and even complaints are rare, and when they’re voiced, few listen. So while Berlusconi may well be acting like a dirty old man these days, it has to be said that a goodly number of Italian women have been willing to play his demeaning games for a long time.

He might have planned things this way. Long before Berlusconi won his first stint as prime minister in the 1990s, the scandal-ridden media mogul owned 45 percent of Italy’s television market. He gained control of state television—another 50 percent—as head of government. With 95 percent of the TV market now under Berlusconi’s umbrella, his cumulative influence on the way Italian women are seen and see themselves is hard to overstate. So are the negative results for Italy: while other European lands actively promote gender equality as a builder of national prosperity, Berlusconi has led the charge in the opposite direction, effectively stifling women by creating a world in which they are seen first and foremost as sex objects instead of professional equals.

An appalling portrait of Berlusconi’s Italy emerges from the World Economic Forum’s October 2010 Global Gender Gap Report. The WEF looks at such issues as wage parity, labor-force participation, and career-advancement opportunities for women, arguing that closing the gender gap Europe-wide could boost the euro zone’s GDP as much as 13 percent. But as things stand now, Italy would be left leering on the sidelines. In every category but education, Italy lags badly: in labor participation, 87th place worldwide; wage parity, 121st; opportunity for women to take leadership positions, 97th. In the report’s overall ranking, Italy now places 74th in the world for its treatment of women—behind Colombia, Peru, and Vietnam, and seven places lower than it did when Berlusconi returned to office in 2008. “Italy continues to be one of the lowest-ranking countries in the EU and deteriorate[d] further over the last year,” the report says.

More (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/15/bunga-bunga-nation-berlusconi-s-italy-hurts-women.html#)

[Foxy]

Italy’s Woman Problem (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/15/bunga-bunga-nation-berlusconi-s-italy-hurts-women.html#)
Italy now places 74th in the world for its treatment of women—behind Colombia, Peru, and Vietnam, and seven places lower than it did when Berlusconi returned to office in 2008. “More (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/15/bunga-bunga-nation-berlusconi-s-italy-hurts-women.html#)

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It is very embrassing, but I didn't vote for him .

[Eldritch]

Saying this may not win me any popularity here, but one might suggest that Italy's woman problem may be in some ways connected to the relatively low incidence of certain other problems in the country:

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vs.

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The horrible reality in many European countries in the 20th Century seems to be that women, after campaigning long and hard for the right to vote and run for political office, now seem hell-bent on relinquishing those rights by importing as many people as possible who would deny them those rights.

[San Galgano]

What the hell have to do italians with Berlusconi?
Italians voted a political program not Berlusconi cause we fell in love with him, nor with his tv programs nor with his sexual preferences.
We are not still as bigot as many other countries to judge a man only because he likes women.
He's pathetich and old?
Okay, but his governemnet it's not only him, there are several valid people which are doing great.

Striscia la Notizia is one of the best satyrical program ever created and it was able in time to resolve lot of issues with satyre. There a couple of girls in Bikini(Not even in bikini with short pants) so what?
Americans dare to accuse us of what?
Isn't MTV a place where sex, bad words, implicit and explicit sexual situations happen at every time of the day and which target is directed to young people?

Sincerely It is not Berlusconi who created a program called "My sweet 16"...
Was not Berlusconi who did entire programs talking about how Monika Lewinsky su@@ed Clinton below his desk.

As for the gender gap, a place englightened like France scored the 46 place below Uganda, Nicaragua and Mozambico so we should think that France is something to blame as well?


I see always a lot of approximation in these articles against Italy to be real.

[Foxy]

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San Galgano, to accuse Americans to have MTV is not a good method to solve our problems. Berlusconi controls Italian TV... MTV exists also in Italy, but thank to Berlusconi now we have also Big Brother, Uomini e Donne, Amici, Fame... and the top of the top... In the middle of the crisis he purposed the 2SWITCH OFF, so families who ship in very bad economical moment now have also to buy a decoder otherwise they won't be able to watch TV anymore.
Couldn't he choose a better time for this "epocal" passage to the digital?
Sincerly I am not dying without digital TV. I don't watch TV anymore since years. There are only craps.
But it is true that our TV shows only asses and boobs and who controls TV? Berluska obviously.

[San Galgano]

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San Galgano, to accuse Americans to have MTV is not a good method to solve our problems. Berlusconi controls Italian TV... MTV exists also in Italy, but thank to Berlusconi now we have also Big Brother, Uomini e Donne, Amici, Fame... and the top of the top... In the middle of the crisis he purposed the 2SWITCH OFF, so families who ship in very bad economical moment now have also to buy a decoder otherwise they won't be able to watch TV anymore.
Couldn't he choose a better time for this "epocal" passage to the digital?
Sincerly I am not dying without digital TV. I don't watch TV anymore since years. There are only craps.
But it is true that our TV shows only asses and boobs and who controls TV? Berluska obviously.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Dvtx-oXFCgU/R1QF4cQrz3I/AAAAAAAAAK8/RzmY-olc8_E/s1600-R/pathetic.jpg


I accuse whoever i want lol.
I believe in the represantativness of someone who is accusing me so Usa can't accuse us of nothing in this moment to be real.

If i were you i would ask for some analyst to solve your Berlusconi phobia anyway.
LOL
Why don't you accuse him also for JFK murder?
read this about digital decoder..

In accordo a recenti normative europee, gli stati dell'Unione stanno convertendo o convertiranno le loro infrastrutture per la diffusione dei canali televisivi, passando da sistemi analogici a sistemi digitali, secondo tempi decisi autonomamente dalle autorità dei vari Paesi.

L'attivazione della televisione digitale terrestre in Italia deriva dal processo di attuazione delle raccomandazioni comunitarie in merito al passaggio dalla tradizionale televisione analogica terrestre alla televisione digitale terrestre.



P.s decoder costs 15 euro....a lot less than the shit of canone Rai...


...anyway how many time have i to repeat that i don't give a flying...about Berlusconi.?
You remeber me Sgarbi when he keeps on saying the same words against the guys of Le Iene.

[Tony]

I voted once for Silvio in 1996 when he seemed to be a new kind of politician arose from the common society and not being raised in the old fashioned system of parties , I voted him because of several reasons , I wanted less taxes , less leftism generally speaking and less big government.
To put it short he didn't do anything , he's just mind his own business , he's got our country humiliated (especially with the Gheddafi cases) and ridiculed , he is a man with a 1950s mindset , the problem is the others are no better so I gave up voting.
The only really positive thing he , and also the Lega , has brought is we can talk what we want without fearing of getting censored or even worse but it's too little for my taste.

[Foxy]

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I accuse whoever i want lol.
I believe in the represantativness of someone who is accusing me so Usa can't accuse us of nothing in this moment to be real.

If i were you i would ask for some analyst to solve your Berlusconi phobia anyway.
LOL
Why don't you accuse him also for JFK murder?
read this about digital decoder..



P.s decoder costs 15 euro....a lot less than the shit of canone Rai...


...anyway how many time have i to repeat that i don't give a flying...about Berlusconi.?
You remeber me Sgarbi when he keeps on saying the same words against the guys of Le Iene.

I went to see a digital decoder price and it is not of 15 euros. Maybe there are but are not foundable. They cost about 60 euros and there are also other technical probs with digita, but it is an other story and too long also. What surprises me is that among all the European directives that Italy has not actuated yet Berlusconi actuated so fast something regarding TV. Is it just a coincidence that it is he to have some factories of decoders? :D


I voted once for Silvio in 1996 when he seemed to be a new kind of politician arose from the common society and not being raised in the old fashioned system of parties , I voted him because of several reasons , I wanted less taxes , less leftism generally speaking and less big government.
To put it short he didn't do anything , he's just mind his own business , he's got our country humiliated (especially with the Gheddafi cases) and ridiculed , he is a man with a 1950s mindset , the problem is the others are no better so I gave up voting.
The only really positive thing he , and also the Lega , has brought is we can talk what we want without fearing of getting censored or even worse but it's too little for my taste.

He seemed a new kind of politician to many people. I hope now they have opened the eyes like you did.
About Geddhafi it is my opinion that Berlusconi is preparing a way to go to Lybia like Craxi and to obtain protection from him otherwise when nobody will vote for him anymore he will finish very soon in jail.

We already are censored. Read in which place we are for freedom of stamp in the world :)

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[San Galgano]

the problem is the others are no better so I gave up voting.
The only really positive thing he , and also the Lega , has brought is we can talk what we want without fearing of getting censored or even worse but it's too little for my taste.


That's what it is.... but people think that Fini and Casini would solve all problems...

In alternative there are Grillo and Di Pietro.:D

[Tony]

That's what it is.... but people think that Fini and Casini would solve all problems...

In alternative there are Grillo and Di Pietro.:D
Finistein and Casini are two shits , Fini is the U$RAEL useful idiot , Casini is the main representative of the Vatikan lobby.
I have to confess sometimes I feel quite tempted to vote for Tonino or Beppe :D

[San Galgano]

Finistein and Casini are two shits , Fini is the U$RAEL useful idiot , Casini is the main representative of the Vatikan lobby.
I have to confess sometimes I fell quite tempted to vote for Tonino or Beppe :D

I would go with Beppe at least we will laugh.:D

[Tony]

I would go with Beppe at least we will laugh.:D
For sure

http://www.danielemartinelli.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/beppe-grillo.jpg

http://www.mentecritica.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/beppe-grillo-vaffa.jpg

:D

also Tonino is no less

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http://www.repubblica.it/2009/01/sezioni/politica/giustizia-9/camere-penali/foto_14921135_50160.jpg

:D

[Foxy]

It's all so embarassing that I... ehmm... will shut up...

[Comte Arnau]

I don't know what the real gender gap in Italian daily society is because I'm not living there. But I've watched some Italian TV now and then and certainly the level of objectification of women still shocks me from time to time. As I said, I don't know if that is appliable to the rest of areas, but IMO the image offered to the world is of a continuity of old Benny Hilloid patterns in many aspects.

[San Galgano]

I don't know what the real gender gap in Italian daily society is because I'm not living there. But I've watched some Italian TV now and then and certainly the level of objectification of women still shocks me from time to time. As I said, I don't know if that is appliable to the rest of areas, but IMO the image offered to the world is of a continuity of old Benny Hilloid patterns in many aspects.

How can be that applied to a real machism and objectification of women of in italian society?
I mean, it's like when some studies says that men betray women more than the other way around.
If a man betrays, he does it with a woman for what i know.
If women didn't want to be objectified in Berlusconi's tv nobody would force them.
Probably women in Italy are more inclined to show themselves in TV than they are in other european countries(i have my doubts that all the other European countries are without faults so much to the point to address only it to Italy...)and see tv as a way to show themselves and overabuse it.

Sincerely when i look at some Big Brothers made outside of Italy i'm shocked about the deep level of debauchment and decay of behaviours and thoughts compared to the ones made in Italy that are a lot more prudish.
Now those are everyday young people, not the few italian women that choose to show their ass as it may happen in some Berlusconi's tv.
Then my thought could be that the degeneration is a lot bigger in other countries where young people of Big Brother really are the mirror of society and not the few girls using italian tv as a launch platform.

[Foxy]

The problem with women is not only on TV, San Galgano. A female friend of mine has been assaulted some nights ago while she was returning home in an attempt of rape. She went to the police station and the maresciallo asked her what she was wearing during the assault! Then he added that they won't start the procedure of report unless an other similar case will reach their station.
So not only we have a shitty TV, we have also a shitty police.
Lucky for the maresciallo it was not me to report, otherwise, hearing his answers, I would have put my hands on him for a "lesson of good manner", policeman or not.
I am very disappointed for this case. The only way to obtain justice here apparently is the faida.

[San Galgano]

The problem with women is not only on TV, San Galgano. A female friend of mine has been assaulted some nights ago while she was returning home in an attempt of rape. She went to the police station and the maresciallo asked her what she was wearing during the assault! Then he added that they won't start the procedure of report unless an other similar case will reach their station.
So not only we have a shitty TV, we have also a shitty police.
Lucky for the maresciallo it was not me to report, otherwise, hearing his answers, I would have put my hands on him for a "lesson of good manner", policeman or not.
I am very disappointed for this case. The only way to obtain justice here apparently is the faida.

There are hundred cases all over Europe and Usa where raped women were charged of wearing too provocative.
I still remeber a movie with Jodye Foster based on a true story.

To me you need to make your suitcase and go live for a couple of years in another country, and not only hearing some self boosted egoes here saying that Italy is to blame for everything and that their countries are in absolut the best a man could wish.
A week here and there it's not enough to judge a country.

[Tony]

I second what San Galgano said , today women in Italy can live very safely as regards violence if compared with USA or even France , Vampire don't get fooled by the media , they love to portray our country as a shithole for women and tend to overemphasize crimes on women.

The worst problem regardin women is in my view , in the work , bosses hardly hire a woman beacuse they fear she'll get a baby sooner or later.

We should focus on resolving this problem , for the rest Italy , at least for me , it's a rather peaceful country , uncomparable with USA for instance.

[Foxy]

You are two idiots! I am not speaking of a story that I watched on TV but of something happened to a friend of mine and the stalker was not Albanese or Romanian, but Italian and my friend was wearing jeans, not a miniskirt (but what changes?). She's the least provocative girl of the world. And even if she was naked this is not a good excuse to justify a tentative or rape. The answer of the carabiniere was simply shocking.
It means that we have to wait that an other girl goes to the station for the same case before they start a legal report. It is absurd!!
Lucky my bf doesn't reason like you. You accept passively this situation, that's why Italy doesn't change. I care a fuck of how it is in the USA or in France, I live in Italy and I care of my country that at the moment is governed by a psycopathic, has got one of the most degradating TV for women and is cutting money for university while evey politician in Italy earns more than 60.000 euros per month.
Yeah, maybe I will go to live abroad if THIS is Italy that Italians dream and if you think that I am saying this only to impress foreigners you have some estime problems nor you are objective.

[Foxy]

Anyway the little vampire loves revange. I am going to purpose my friend to publish an anonymus article on the local newspaper denuncing the lack of seriousness of Italian police and the absurd answer they gave her. We, her friends,won't leave her alone: I am sure united though we are young we will safe enough money to publish the article.
Lucky she will always can count on us.

[Eldritch]

Anyway the little vampire loves revange. I am going to purpose my friend to publish an anonymus article on the local newspaper denuncing the lack of seriousness of Italian police and the absurd answer they gave her. We, her friends,won't leave her alone: I am sure united though we are young we will safe enough money to publish the article.
Lucky she will always can count on us.

Why not do that on the internet? It's cheaper and you'll reach a wider audience.

If you do it on Facebook your potential audience is in the hundreds of millions.

[Tony]

Vampira Berlusconi è una merdaccia e concordiamo , quello che è successo alla tua amica , secondo le parole che lei ti ha riportato è scandaloso ma non puoi basarti su un fatto , uno , che ti ha riguardato personalmente in maniera solo indiretta , per trarre delle conclusioni globali della condizione della donna in un paese intero.

[Brynhild]

I think it's a terrible state of affairs when the local police can't take an attempted rape - or worse - seriously. Does a woman have to be murdered before any notice is taken?

[San Galgano]

You are two idiots! I am not speaking of a story that I watched on TV but of something happened to a friend of mine and the stalker was not Albanese or Romanian, but Italian and my friend was wearing jeans, not a miniskirt (but what changes?). She's the least provocative girl of the world. And even if she was naked this is not a good excuse to justify a tentative or rape. The answer of the carabiniere was simply shocking.
It means that we have to wait that an other girl goes to the station for the same case before they start a legal report. It is absurd!!
Lucky my bf doesn't reason like you. You accept passively this situation, that's why Italy doesn't change. I care a fuck of how it is in the USA or in France, I live in Italy and I care of my country that at the moment is governed by a psycopathic, has got one of the most degradating TV for women and is cutting money for university while evey politician in Italy earns more than 60.000 euros per month.
Yeah, maybe I will go to live abroad if THIS is Italy that Italians dream and if you think that I am saying this only to impress foreigners you have some estime problems nor you are objective.


Uhm, the only idiot here is you that are charging Italy of every fault in the world when at most your regrets could be applied to some people.
If we should judge an entire country cause Berlusconi likes to fuck or for a carabiniere who didn't behave righteously, we could close the borders and bomb almost every country in the world, even the most perfect.


Once said this, to me your friend may also be Santa Maria Goretti, i never said anything against her apart that not only in Italy you can find idiots who accuse women to be provocative when raped.
What do you think lawyers use as harangue to protect their clients accused of rape by women, all over the world?.

As i said you need to make your suitcase and stop breaking our balls with your unjustified total anti-italianism even when it is not the case.

[Foxy]

I think it's a terrible state of affairs when the local police can't take an attempted rape - or worse - seriously. Does a woman have to be murdered before any notice is taken?

Police answered that she had to denunce it soon, call the police when the potential raper was still there and wait the police on the street (!). Then that they have to wait for a second similar case to start the procedure of report.
In short, it must happen again.
The other thing that shocked me is that the girl has seen the man in face, so police could make an identikit, on the contrary they did nothing but just make her sign some papers with a summit of what had happened.


Vampira Berlusconi è una merdaccia e concordiamo , quello che è successo alla tua amica , secondo le parole che lei ti ha riportato è scandaloso ma non puoi basarti su un fatto , uno , che ti ha riguardato personalmente in maniera solo indiretta , per trarre delle conclusioni globali della condizione della donna in un paese intero.

Beh guarda non è la prima volta che succedono ste cose e comunque non penso sia un caso che le donne in Italia nella classifica mondiale si trovano ad un grado di emancipazione peggiore rispetto alle vietnamite (79° posto, mentre economicamente siamo il 7° paese più ricco! Cazzo, poi diciamo male agli Arabi!!). E, notizia, da quando Berlusca è al governo siamo scesi di 6 posti. Rileggi il primo post di questo thread.
E poi guarda che stereotipo diffondono dell'emancipazione i media: tette e culi in TV, veline, puttanoni, letterine, meteorine (quelle delle previsioni del tempo). Hai mai visto una presentatrice cozza in TV? Di presentatori cozze ne vedo a bizzeffe, di cozze solo la De Filippi, ma perché si passa Costanzo che lecca il culo a Berlusca...
E le quote rosa? Gli stipendi sono veramente pari? Le donne hanno le stesse opportunità di trovare lavoro? (Te lo dico io, no! Non ti assumono perché pensano che appena ti assumono te ne vai in maternità). Quante donne sono in politica? Quante rivestono posti importanti in media? Molto di meno degli uomini....

[Foxy]

As i said you need to make your suitcase and stop breaking our balls with your unjustified total anti-italianism even when it is not the case.

Ahahaha, funny, before I was anti-spaniards, now I am even anti-Italian, lol! When someone doesn't share your point of view that person becomes anti-Italians? Bah....:rolleyes2:
I have not said that everything is bad in Italy, but if we speak of politics and of female emancipation we have still to learn. We are not the worste but we are neither the best in these fields.

[San Galgano]

Ahahaha, funny, before I was anti-spaniards, now I am even anti-Italian, lol! When someone doesn't share your point of view that person becomes anti-Italians? Bah....:rolleyes2:
I have not said that everything is bad in Italy, but if we speak of politics and of female emancipation we have still to learn. We are not the worste but we are neither the best in these fields.


A thing is to hate our politicians, a thing is to blame everything of our country that has nothing to do with being italian but at most with few italian people.

[Foxy]

The profile of Italy about Female situation and gender gap:


Italy (place 87°)
Global Gender Gap Report 2007 Country Profiles 87
*survey data, responses on a 1-to-7 scale (1=worst score, 7=best score)
**data on a 0-to-1 scale (1=worst score, 0=best score)
Maternity and Childbearing
Births attended by skilled health staff (as % of total)..........................—
Contraceptive prevalence, married women (%)...................................60
Infant mortality rate (per 1,000 live births)........................................... .5
Length of paid maternity leave............................................. .....5 months
Maternity leave benefits (% of wages paid).....................................80%
Provider of maternity coverage.......................................... Social security
Maternal mortality ratio per 100,000 live births....................................5
Adolescent fertility rate (births per 1,000 women aged 15–19).........6.96
Education and Training
Percentage of female teachers, primary education..............................96
Percentage of female teachers, secondary education..........................66
Percentage of female teachers, tertiary education..............................34
Employment and Earnings
Female adult unemployment rate (%)............................................... ...11
Male adult unemployment rate (%)............................................... ...........6
Women in non-agricultural paid labour
(as % of total labour force)............................................ ..................41
Ability of women to rise to positions of enterprise leadership*.........3.53
Basic Rights and Social Institutions**
Paternal versus maternal authority......................................... ..........0.00
Female genital mutilation........................................ .........................0.00
Polygamy.......................................... ................................................0. 00
Existence of legislation punishing acts of violence
against women............................................. ................................0.42
Additional Data
Economic Participation and Opportunity 101
Labour force participation..................................... ..82
Wage equality for similar work (survey)................111
Income (PPP US$).............................................. .....84
Legislators, senior officials, and managers..............74
Professional and technical workers.........................64
Educational Attainment 32
Literacy rate.............................................. ..............56
Enrolment in primary education..............................63
Enrolment in secondary education............................1
Enrolment in tertiary education.................................1
Health and Survival 82
Sex ratio at birth (female/male).............................109
Healthy life expectancy........................................ ...67
Political Empowerment 80
Women in parliament........................................ ......56
Women in ministerial positions...............................88
Number of years with a female head of state..........42
(in last 50 years)
Gender Gap Index 2007 Rank 84 Score 0.650
(out of 128 (0.00 = inequality,
countries) 1.00 = equality)
Key Indicators
Total population (millions), 2005.............................................. .......58.61
Population growth (in %)................................................ ...................0.74
GDP (US$ billions), 2005.............................................. ...............1,132.83
GDP (PPP) per capita............................................ .........................25,381
Mean age of marriage for women (years)........................................... ..28
Fertility rate (births per woman)............................................ ............1.30
Year women received right to vote.............................................. .....1945
Overall population sex ratio (male/female)........................................0.9 6

Gender Gap Subindexes

Female-to-male ratio0.00 = INEQUALITY1.00 = EQUALITY1.50Female-to-male ratio0.00 = INEQUALITY1.00 = EQUALITY1.50Female-to-male ratio

Compared to Sweden, place 1:

Gender Gap Report 2007
*survey data, responses on a 1-to-7 scale (1=worst score, 7=best score)
**data on a 0-to-1 scale (1=worst score, 0=best score)
Maternity and Childbearing
Births attended by skilled health staff (as % of total)..........................—
Contraceptive prevalence, married women (%)...................................—
Infant mortality rate (per 1,000 live births)........................................... .3
Length of paid maternity leave............................................. .....14 weeks
Maternity leave benefits (% of wages paid)..........480 days paid parental
leave: 80%, 390 days;
90 days, flat rate
Provider of maternity coverage.......................................... Social security
Maternal mortality ratio per 100,000 live births....................................8
Adolescent fertility rate (births per 1,000 women aged 15–19).........6.89
Education and Training
Percentage of female teachers, primary education..............................—
Percentage of female teachers, secondary education..........................58
Percentage of female teachers, tertiary education..............................43
Employment and Earnings
Female adult unemployment rate (%)............................................... .....6
Male adult unemployment rate (%)............................................... ...........7
Women in non-agricultural paid labour
(as % of total labour force)............................................ ..................51
Ability of women to rise to positions of enterprise leadership*.........5.33
Basic Rights and Social Institutions**
Paternal versus maternal authority......................................... ..........0.00
Female genital mutilation........................................ .........................0.00
Polygamy.......................................... ................................................0. 00
Existence of legislation punishing acts of violence
against women............................................. ................................0.00
Additional Data
Economic Participation and Opportunity 6
Labour force participation..................................... ....6
Wage equality for similar work (survey)..................62
Income (PPP US$).............................................. .......2
Legislators, senior officials, and managers..............36
Professional and technical workers...........................1
Educational Attainment 27
Literacy rate.............................................. ................1
Enrolment in primary education..............................60
Enrolment in secondary education............................1
Enrolment in tertiary education.................................1
Health and Survival 73
Sex ratio at birth (female/male)...............................87
Healthy life expectancy........................................ ...90
Political Empowerment 1
Women in parliament........................................ ........1
Women in ministerial positions.................................1
Number of years with a female head of state..........42
(in last 50 years)

*this is not that I say, but what this reasearch says: Italy, if we speak of gender gap, is the worste of the European Union excluding Cyprus.
The research anyway is of 2007. Maybe a newer one would be better.

[Foxy]

http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/global-gender-gap-index-map.jpg

2010:
http://guerrecontro.altervista.org/blog/wp-content/gallery/the-global-gender-gap-report-2010/gender-gap-2010-totale.png

We are like Romanian and Ukrainian women ... *.*

[San Galgano]

Why do you take Sweden as example when France is at 46° place?


Comunque...mi avresti anche rotto le palle, se ti riguardi le classifiche indietro nel tempo la situazione era simile anche prima di Berlusconi, al massimo potevamo avere una o due posizioni in piu'...

Vai per strada e comincia a sparare agli italiani che cazzo ti devo dire?

Non e' colpa mia e del governo se le mamme italiane insegnano alle loro figlie a trovarsi il calciatore o andare da Maria De Filippi e mostrare il culo invece che farsi una posizione vera nella societa'.


La mia ragazza e' un avvocato e diventera' magistrato, quindi per me queste cazzo di classifiche riguardano gli altri.

[Foxy]

San Galgano, this thread is not a trial about Italy but only about the situation of gender gap. I don't think that you can deny proved facts...
As far as I am concerned I am first a woman and then Italian. If I go abroad I can change nationalty but, I hope, I won't change gender :D

[Tony]

Police answered that she had to denunce it soon, call the police when the potential raper was still there and wait the police on the street (!). Then that they have to wait for a second similar case to start the procedure of report.
In short, it must happen again.
The other thing that shocked me is that the girl has seen the man in face, so police could make an identikit, on the contrary they did nothing but just make her sign some papers with a summit of what had happened.



Beh guarda non è la prima volta che succedono ste cose e comunque non penso sia un caso che le donne in Italia nella classifica mondiale si trovano ad un grado di emancipazione peggiore rispetto alle vietnamite (79° posto, mentre economicamente siamo il 7° paese più ricco! Cazzo, poi diciamo male agli Arabi!!). E, notizia, da quando Berlusca è al governo siamo scesi di 6 posti. Rileggi il primo post di questo thread.
E poi guarda che stereotipo diffondono dell'emancipazione i media: tette e culi in TV, veline, puttanoni, letterine, meteorine (quelle delle previsioni del tempo). Hai mai visto una presentatrice cozza in TV? Di presentatori cozze ne vedo a bizzeffe, di cozze solo la De Filippi, ma perché si passa Costanzo che lecca il culo a Berlusca...
E le quote rosa? Gli stipendi sono veramente pari? Le donne hanno le stesse opportunità di trovare lavoro? (Te lo dico io, no! Non ti assumono perché pensano che appena ti assumono te ne vai in maternità). Quante donne sono in politica? Quante rivestono posti importanti in media? Molto di meno degli uomini....
Vov:
I think you should find a boyfriend ,
And rich , as Silvio said , then you will stop this bs , you look too histerical , really.
You can't judge a whole country on the level of the Arabs just because an accident , accindents can happens , everywhere , I'm sure somethinh like that occured every now and then even in Scandinavia or USA.

Women in Italy are happy , freer then ever , enjoy a great lifestyle , the only real problem is that of jobs but it's economy , we men are also in trouble right now on that field.

Anzi for my taste Italy is even too women ruled , it's a country that got too feminized in recent years.


ps VoV's mood=asleep

feeewwww :D

[Groenewolf]

You can't judge a whole country on the level of the Arabs just because an accident , accindents can happens , everywhere , I'm sure somethinh like that occured every now and then even in Scandinavia or USA.

Even if it was just that cop who acted like that and all other policemen are not like him, it would still mean what he had done should not be tolerated and that action against him should be taken.

[Tony]

Even if it was just that cop who acted like that and all other policemen are not like him, it would still mean what he had done should not be tolerated and that action against him should be taken.
Him who?
the asshole cop?
how?would you want him to get fired?
I could agree but it's not that easy to fire people who work in the public sector (almost impossible).
By the way there are a lot of liberal/women association here , if she have the will she can contact them and file a suit against em , at least to raise the problem of this lazy cop.
Moreover keep in mind that we don't know how the facts went , it's only words of a VoV's friend we even don't know wether they have been overestimated or not...

I highly doubt that if a woman is on the verge of getting raped and report this to the local politce station they wouldn't do anything untill some more cases happen...
save if you live in a cesspool like Naples or Palermo of course.

[Foxy]

I highly doubt that if a woman is on the verge of getting raped and report this to the local politce station they wouldn't do anything untill some more cases happen...
save if you live in a cesspool like Naples or Palermo of course.

Well, indeed so it happened. The fact that you have difficulties to believe it proves that you consider it immoral too.
Uh, now you start with personal offences. I already have the bf, since 4 years, but I continue to support equal condition for women. Is it strange or, according to you, a girl when she has a bf must becomes stupid or disinteressed in female affairs? :rolleyes2:

@San Galgano: certo certo, continua a badare solo al tuo orticello, tanto si va avanti così da 2000 anni invece di alzare lo sguardo ai problemi reali e cercare di porre un rimedio. E cmq la Francia sta 30 posti avanti all'Italia nella classifica. Per non parlare della Spagna che in questo caso ci straccia di brutto.

[San Galgano]

@San Galgano: certo certo, continua a badare solo al tuo orticello, tanto si va avanti così da 2000 anni invece di alzare lo sguardo ai problemi reali e cercare di porre un rimedio. E cmq la Francia sta 30 posti avanti all'Italia nella classifica. Per non parlare della Spagna che in questo caso ci straccia di brutto.


Oh pasticca....ma te vivi per creare polemica?
Se siamo cosi' da duemila anni un motivo ci sara'.
L'unica soluzione che ho per te e' un bel viaggio nei paesi che reputi paradisi.

Vai in Spagna vai.. vai a vedere li come ti tratta la polizia, altro che il carabiniere coglione di turno.

[Daos]

http://guerrecontro.altervista.org/blog/wp-content/gallery/the-global-gender-gap-report-2010/gender-gap-2010-totale.png

We are like Romanian and Ukrainian women ... *.*

I really don't see the problem...:mmmm: Oh, and Moldova is doing better? Someone must have bribed the evaluators...:thumb001:

[SwordoftheVistula]

I don't see what the problem is. I generally distrust any study which focuses on a 'gap' of any kind as opposed to the situation of the county as a whole.

Also, the article fails to make any sort of logical connection between: female news presenters wear slutty clothes, Berlusconi has mistresses (I don't recall the times of JFK or Clinton being regarded as 'setbacks for women'), and the supposed problem of low female participation in the labor force or whatever else that 'study' is whining about.


There are hundred cases all over Europe and Usa where raped women were charged of wearing too provocative.

Not in decades here...maybe 70s at the latest.


I second what San Galgano said , today women in Italy can live very safely as regards violence if compared with USA

It's not really a problem here, outside the urban areas where types of people congregate, and they mainly prey on eachother and those who voluntarily associate with them.