About Y-DNA and mtDNA...

[Enflamme]

I wish to order both tomorrow, but i do not know what "version" buy...

In your opinion, what is the "best" between these different versions of Y-DNA and mtDNA?


Y-DNA:

Y-37

Y-67

Y-111



mtDNA:

MtFull Sequence

MtDNA Plus



I ask because I would not buy a "superior" version when it is not worth it.


My second question:
how does it work? They will send me another kit or when I buy the Y-DNA and mtDNA (either one or the other I will see), both will "activate" on my account, so no need to send a kit?

Sorry if my questions are not very understandable :D

Thanks.

[Kriptc06]

Y67, and MTplus, if you can afford full seq, go for it.

With 67 marked you will likely know a internatiade clade, which for most people is enough, but beware that it's not the haplo that FTdna will predict, because FTdna only used the first 14 markers to predict the haplo. I advise you to use nevgen.org.

Cheers and gluck

Some people say mtplus is a waste of money but for me it's enough. Plus will give you a basic clade, full will give you your terminal clade.
But one can look at your hrv1 and hrv2 mutation and give you your intermediate subclade. again, not the one FTdna gives you,, but yet another analysis over your results.

[Kriptc06]

If you wanna go cheap go Y37 and mtdna plus. I think this is the most basic you could get.

I don't recommend Y25 or Y12, for a unexperienced person it will look incomplete and ambigous, I did Y12 and I got a ultra basic clade E-M35, basically just the E clade (E1b)

[Enflamme]

Y67, and MTplus, if you can afford full seq, go for it.

With 67 marked you will likely know a internatiade clade, which for most people is enough, but beware that it's not the haplo that FTdna will predict, because FTdna only used the first 14 markers to predict the haplo. I advise you to use nevgen.org.

Cheers and gluck

Some people say mtplus is a waste of money but for me it's enough. Plus will give you a basic clade, full will give you your terminal clade.
But one can look at your hrv1 and hrv2 mutation and give you your intermediate subclade. again, not the one FTdna gives you,, but yet another analysis over your results.

Thanks. :D

[Enflamme]

If you wanna go cheap go Y37 and mtdna plus. I think this is the most basic you could get.

I don't recommend Y25 or Y12, for a unexperienced person it will look incomplete and ambigous, I did Y12 and I got a ultra basic clade E-M35, basically just the E clade (E1b)

And so, I have to get another kit or so they will activate both on my FTDNA account?

[Dick]

Y-37 is good enough but I also did the "Big Y" which explores deep ancestral links on you paternal tree. I also did MtFull Sequence which provides you with a more refined mtDNA haplogroup and close matches list unlike Mtdna plus. They will send you a kit and keep your saliva for any of their tests available for future use.

You also get "matches maps" like mine:

Ydna
http://i63.tinypic.com/2it0ilt.jpg

Mtdna
http://i67.tinypic.com/2z4wcc0.jpg

[Enflamme]

Y-37 is good enough but I also did the "Big Y" which explores deep ancestral links on you paternal tree. I also did MtFull Sequence which provides you with a more refined mtDNA haplogroup and close matches list unlike Mtdna plus. They will send you a kit and keep your saliva for any of their tests available for future use.

You also get "matches maps" like mine:

Ydna


Mtdna



So if I understand correctly, i should have two kits?

A kit on which i would connect to see my dna result and another kit for haplogroup (Ydna and mtDNA)?

[Dick]

So if I understand correctly, i should have two kits?

A kit on which i would connect to see my dna result and another kit for haplogroup (Ydna and mtDNA)?

No garcon, they send you just one kit.

[Kriptc06]

And so, I have to get another kit or so they will activate both on my FTDNA account?

One kit is enough, and if you did family finder, no new sample is needed.

[Kriptc06]

Y-37 is good enough but I also did the "Big Y" which explores deep ancestral links on you paternal tree. I also did MtFull Sequence which provides you with a more refined mtDNA haplogroup and close matches list unlike Mtdna plus. They will send you a kit and keep your saliva for any of their tests available for future use.

You also get "matches maps" like mine:

Ydna
http:i63.tinypic.com/2it0ilt.jpg

Mtdna
http://i67.tinypic.c/2z4wcc0.jpg

Big Y is kangz, yeah ya right I forgot that one, but sadly one cannot do it without a STR test first.

[Rethel]

I wish to order both tomorrow, but i do not know what "version" buy...

[B][SIZE=2]In your opinion, what is the "best" between these different versions of Y-DNA and mtDNA?

Y37 for the beginner is good.
Mt - none. It is waiste of money
and some people are harming their
brain. Do not do that test.


I ask because I would not buy a "superior" version when it is not worth it.

Superior versions for Y are also good, but it depends
for what purposes do you want to test yourself.

[Rethel]

You also get "matches maps" like mine:

But those matches matched thosands of years ago, almost the same as rest of basal hg.
When I tested first time in stone age, I get a map with five dots on the map of Europe... :laugh:
I couldn't even chack their surnames or clade... it wasn't to much informative...


Mt matches are totally sensless, becasue nothing is binding them. Totally nothing.

[turbosat]

But those matches matched thosands of years ago, almost the same as rest of basal hg.
When I tested first time in stone age, I get a map with five dots on the map of Europe... :laugh:
I couldn't even chack their surnames or clade... it wasn't to much informative...


Mt matches are totally sensless, becasue nothing is binding them. Totally nothing.

What do you mean with above?

If more people do the full YDna and mtDna tests, the sub-branches of the Haplogroups and terminal SNPs will become fully known and recorded.

[Rethel]

What do you mean with above?

This, what I wrote.
Mt is bind with nothing.
The same sense has to make a test for haplogroup of the gene for the smallest toe at your left foot.
Women did change their identity every generation, did not create any entities, nether nations, neither
tirbes, neither clans, neither families, neither lineages. They never were structurized, and still are not,
so making that test give none information about anyone.

More than that, mt can be inherited via men, and in couple of hundrets of generations it
happend couple of times. The more, if someone belive in thosands of generations - and
this is the level of history, which you can gain. But even if the mt would be untouched,
what is very unprobable, then it tells absolutly nothing, nothing practical.


If more people do the full YDna and mtDna tests, the sub-branches of the Haplogroups and terminal SNPs will become fully known and recorded.

The same you can tell about haplogroups
of other chromosomes... and what? The
very existing of hgs is meaningless.

Are you testing yourself on hg of chromosome 1? No? Why not?

[turbosat]

This, what I wrote.
Mt is bind with nothing.
The same sense has to make a test for haplogroup of the gene for the smallest toe at your left foot.
Women did change their identity every generation, did not create any entities, nether nations, neither
tirbes, neither clans, neither families, neither lineages. They never were structurized, and still are not,
so making that test give none information about anyone.

More than that, mt can be inherited via men, and in couple of hundrets of generations it
happend couple of times. The more, if someone belive in thosands of generations - and
this is the level of history, which you can gain. But even if the mt would be untouched,
what is very unprobable, then it tells absolutly nothing, nothing practical.



The same you can tell about haplogroups
of other chromosomes... and what? The
very existing of hgs is meaningless.

Are you testing yourself on hg of chromosome 1? No? Why not?

Cant reply to above.

[Rethel]

:confused:

[turbosat]

This, what I wrote.
Mt is bind with nothing.
The same sense has to make a test for haplogroup of the gene for the smallest toe at your left foot.
Women did change their identity every generation, did not create any entities, nether nations, neither
tirbes, neither clans, neither families, neither lineages. They never were structurized, and still are not,
so making that test give none information about anyone.

More than that, mt can be inherited via men, and in couple of hundrets of generations it
happend couple of times. The more, if someone belive in thosands of generations - and
this is the level of history, which you can gain. But even if the mt would be untouched,
what is very unprobable, then it tells absolutly nothing, nothing practical.



The same you can tell about haplogroups
of other chromosomes... and what? The
very existing of hgs is meaningless.

Are you testing yourself on hg of chromosome 1? No? Why not?


mtDNa is passed from mother to children, cannot be inherited from men.
"The very existing of hgs is meaningless. " - not really, HGs are very useful to know. They become much more useful when you know the Haplogroups of the whole population in your area or country of origin.

[Rethel]

mtDNa is passed from mother to children, cannot be inherited from men.

Yes, it can, It is called Paternal mitochondrial transsmission.
I wasn't even aware the same as you, until I spoke with a
genetist who did enlighten me about that stuff. And he is
even involved in mt-hg research, so he really bother.


"The very existing of hgs is meaningless. " -

Please read that again, especially in the context.


not really, HGs are very useful to know. They become much more useful when you know the Haplogroups of the whole population in your area or country of origin.

Was I ever saying that isn't? But the very existance of hgs per se is not.
The sense it has, if it can cofirm some prcatical stuff. Y does it, mt - do
not, exept large population stuff, and only, when some issuea cannot be
resovled by other tools (like for example racial case of Finns or Jews), so
in individual cases is useless, quite opposte than Y, who is usefull always.

[Enflamme]

:confused:

I've buy this Y-67, it's "good"?

Do you know of sites where I could transfer my FTDNA results to another site?

[Enflamme]

Correction, i've buy "Y-DNA111"

[turbosat]

Yes, it can, It is called Paternal mitochondrial transsmission.
I wasn't even aware the same as you, until I spoke with a
genetist who did enlighten me about that stuff. And he is
even involved in mt-hg research, so he really bother.



Please read that again, especially in the context.



Was I ever saying that isn't? But the very existance of hgs per se is not.
The sense it has, if it can cofirm some prcatical stuff. Y does it, mt - do
not, exept large population stuff, and only, when some issuea cannot be
resovled by other tools (like for example racial case of Finns or Jews), so
in individual cases is useless, quite opposte than Y, who is usefull always.

Now that you wrote it, I remember reading something similar to above (highlighted) on a website. It was probably the same genetist (if he was one) who was quoted, but I would like to see more genetic scientists agreeing with him before we can say its a normal thing.

In individual cases mtDna HG can be useful to know. Like we know Prince William has a rather rare Indian mtDna which shows his mother had a direct Indian maternal ancestor. It has been verified and confirmed to a reasonable extent by other info back to 7 generations around 1790. It doesn't mean he is Indian or his left toe is Indian, just that he had an Indian maternal ancestor proved by the mtDna.

[Rethel]

I've buy this Y-67, it's "good"?

Yes. I made it at first time in FT. And later 111.
But it is better if you would test also some two distant relatives of yours.


Do you know of sites where I could transfer my FTDNA results to another site?

No, but you can try in Y-seq.
I think the base of data which has FT is quite big. Probably the biggest.


Correction, i've buy "Y-DNA111"

Good, but it can be too much for you.
If you are alone, it should help you to determine subclade,
but is not necessary and SNPs are better way. I would advise
you to buy three Y67 or Y37 plus SNPs for you alone, which
will be advised later by your admin.

[Rethel]

Now that you wrote it, I remember reading something similar to above (highlighted) on a website. It was probably the same genetist (if he was one) who was quoted, but I would like to see more genetic scientists agreeing with him before we can say its a normal thing.

No, he does not have a site about this particluar subject, he is a Pole and it was years ago...


In individual cases mtDna HG can be useful to know. Like we know Prince William has a rather rare Indian mtDna which shows his mother had a direct Indian maternal ancestor. It has been verified and confirmed to a reasonable extent by other info back to 7 generations around 1790. It doesn't mean he is Indian or his left toe is Indian, just that he had an Indian maternal ancestor proved by the mtDna.

It doesn;t really mean anything, becasue he could have whatever mt's hg, and what?
If you do not have a paper genealogy, it means nothing, you do not even know, when
this woman lived and when she got into your country, and in what way. More than that,
it is just one of millions ascendants, so why nother about the lest meaningfull and broken
in every generation line, who tells you nothing peculiar? One of million ascendants lived in
India 400 years ago... and what?

[Kriptc06]

Yes, it can, It is called Paternal mitochondrial transsmission.
I wasn't even aware the same as you, until I spoke with a
genetist who did enlighten me about that stuff. And he is
even involved in mt-hg research, so he really bother.



Please read that again, especially in the context.



Was I ever saying that isn't? But the very existance of hgs per se is not.
The sense it has, if it can cofirm some prcatical stuff. Y does it, mt - do
not, exept large population stuff, and only, when some issuea cannot be
resovled by other tools (like for example racial case of Finns or Jews), so
in individual cases is useless, quite opposte than Y, who is usefull always.

yes it can be passed to father to son too, but its an rare ocasion and a tiny fraction, i cant say for sure if it would change the subclade tho.

some sources state that so little paternal mtDNA is transmitted as to be negligible ("At most, one presumes it must be less than 1 in 1000, since there are 100 000 mitochondria in the human egg and only 100 in the sperm (Satoh and Kuroiwa, 1991)."[11]) or that paternal mtDNA is so rarely transmitted as to be negligible ("Nevertheless, studies have established that paternal mtDNA is so rarely transmitted to offspring that mtDNA analyses remain valid..."[12]). One study stated that about 1–2% of a person's mitochondria can be inherited from the father."[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_mtDNA_transmission

[turbosat]

No, he does not have a site about this particluar subject, he is a Pole and it was years ago...



It doesn;t really mean anything, becasue he could have whatever mt's hg, and what?
If you do not have a paper genealogy, it means nothing, you do not even know, when
this woman lived and when she got into your country, and in what way. More than that,
it is just one of millions ascendants, so why nother about the lest meaningfull and broken
in every generation line, who tells you nothing peculiar? One of million ascendants lived in
India 400 years ago... and what?

Whatever he was it was written on a website. I am sure you are not the only one he spoke to?
Added: Or I saw a genetic study about it, but it seemed to have a minor, very negligible implication (if any at all) on a persons mtDna.

Prince William's mtDna tells us something...that his mother had a direct Indian maternal ancestor. If his mtDna was not tested then it might not come out so easily or never be proven for sure, or it might never be known at all. It is known when the woman lived because her daughter's name and year of birth is known. It was traced from family history. Its just a marker and he has very little Indian dna in him now of course.

I know HGs will only show 2 lines of the ancestors, but it is still useful and even very useful. If it wasn't' useful then it would be ignored in genetic studies.

[Rethel]

Whatever he was it was written on a website. I am sure you are not the only when he spoke to?

Man, are you a lunatic? :picard2:

[turbosat]

Man, are you a lunatic? :picard2:

No, are you are an idiot? You referred to some idiotic story from some claimed geneticist who only you spoke to. Just because you cant understand when HGs are useful / important, it does not mean they are useless like you said.

Why would they have brought out Prince William's mtDna if it was useless like you said?
Are you a lunatic as well as idiot?