R-U152 in Sicily???

[pmv74]

My 23 and me came back and said my paternal haplogroup is R-U152. My father's father was from Enna, Sicily. Trying to find more info on this particular branch and how it came into Sicily. The few things I can find on R-U152 don't show it going too far south into Italy......


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[Voskos]

in my opinion U152 is recent arrival in sicily from northern italy. Original sicilian R1b is P312.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0096074

[Percivalle]

My 23 and me came back and said my paternal haplogroup is R-U152. My father's father was from Enna, Sicily. Trying to find more info on this particular branch and how it came into Sicily. The few things I can find on R-U152 don't show it going too far south into Italy......


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Subclade?



in my opinion U152 is recent arrival in sicily from northern italy. Original sicilian R1b is P312.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0096074

It could be also Italic or Roman in Sicily.

[Kelmendasi]

R1b-U152 is an Italo-Celtic branch of R1b and is associated with Alpine Celts from the Hallstatt culture, it probably expanded or shifted from the Alps after 1800BCE which is before the migration of the Italic tribes in Italy. http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#S28-U152
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c7/3e/c9/c73ec94f1560c6049b8767ac0278d477.jpg

[Alessio]

I also have this paternal haplogroup.

[Sikeliot]

This haplogroup in Sicily especially inland regions could be from Lombards who settled there.

[Proto-Shaman]

R1b-U152 is an Italo-Celtic branch of R1b and is associated with Alpine Celts from the Hallstatt culture, it probably expanded or shifted from the Alps after 1800BCE which is before the migration of the Italic tribes in Italy. http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#S28-U152
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c7/3e/c9/c73ec94f1560c6049b8767ac0278d477.jpg

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=43356&p=1169877&viewfull=1#post1169877

R1b clades (U-152/S28 and DF27) don't really look Italo-Celtic but rather (Rheto-)Etrusko-Tyrsenian, (Ibero-)Vasconic instead. U152 is not an Italic marker because it peaks in former Etruria and is much lower in the lands where Italics lived.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Iron_Age_Italy.svg/2000px-Iron_Age_Italy.svg.png

R1b-U152 also peaks in Turkic speakers (Northern Bashkirs, over ~70% of whom were U152 in Myres et al. 2010)

http://gentis.ru/img/y/U152.gif

Etruscan, Hurrian and Northeast Caucasian languages are connected due to post-Sumerian proto-Turkic R1b-dominated Kura-Araxes culture.

[pmv74]

This haplogroup in Sicily especially inland regions could be from Lombards who settled there.

I was under the impression that this haplo group was Roman in nature from what I read.


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[Dick]

This haplogroup in Sicily especially inland regions could be from Lombards who settled there.

No. I1 is Lombard.


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207477-Y-dna-of-a-Lombard-Italian

[Sikeliot]

No. I1 is Lombard.


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207477-Y-dna-of-a-Lombard-Italian


Lombards can have more than one haplogroup... R1b is very high in Lombardia.

[Dick]

Lombards can have more than one haplogroup... R1b is very high in Lombardia.

Original Germanic Lombards, not the assimilated northern Italian "Lombards".

[Sikeliot]

Original Germanic Lombards, not the assimilated northern Italian "Lombards".

Well it was North Italian "Lombards" who settled in his part of Sicily.

[Dick]

Well it was North Italian "Lombards" who settled in his part of Sicily.

I'm talking about the original Germanic Lombards, not north Italians in general.

[Proto-Shaman]

I'm talking about the original Germanic Lombards, not north Italians in general.
who ended up in Bashkortostan with a founder effect. Why?

[Ironguard]

The Sicels, a tribe thought to have spoken an Italic language, are the namesake of Sicily. They could have easily been the source for much of the U152 in Sicily. Apart from that are Romans, Lombards, Normans, etc..