Classify future PM of Ireland Leo Varadkar

[Grace O'Malley]

He is half Indian and half Irish and openly gay. He will very shortly be Ireland's Taoiseach.

http://rsvpmagazine.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/leoVaradkarOutsideDail_large.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/HANDSHAKE_2016-07-14_%2828303482095%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/220px-HANDSHAKE_2016-07-14_%2828303482095%29_%28cropped%29.jpghttp://www.beat102103.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/LeoVaradkar2012Smile_large.jpghttp://cdn-03.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/article30917788.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/2015-01-19_new_6263355_I1.JPG
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA_L_eDW0AAcfkO.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/28/09/40E0C8E700000578-0-image-a-1_1495959903782.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

Looks close to a Robust Iranid.

[RN97]

captain Sweden approves. How progressive!

[Hadouken]

Looks close to a Robust Iranid.

not at all mate

[Grace O'Malley]

captain Sweden approves. How progressive!

I think he is just a very capable and charismatic man. It is not because he is gay but that it is irrelevant if he is gay which is the way it should be.

[Columella]

Some type of Alpine-Med the high square forehead has pseudo Borreby look.


Tip: For better classifications remember to include a profile pic. Thanks if you already have.

[Grace O'Malley]

Some type of Alpine-Med the high square forehead has pseudo Borreby look.


Tip: For better classifications remember to include a profile pic. Thanks if you already have.

There is a profile pic in there but here are another couple.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/resizer/750/563/true/GN4_DAT_8323402.jpg--limerick_senator_kieran_o_donnell_backs_leo_varadk ar_in_fg_race.jpghttp://e3.365dm.com/17/05/750x563/5cc3f4acc570e76084f4b188e202056693906000505ce1a1bd cfcf238e74bc79_3958599.jpg?20170520183448

Here's a picture when he was younger.

http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.3089356.1495234427!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Ireland too? damn, finally only South Europe will resist this shit.

[Odin]

Alpine-Med.

[Hadouken]

he is Atlantid + Gracile Indid

[Vyasa]

Racist white people are triggered smh

[Purohit ji]

Very good indian brahman brother. I hope he will do good for Irish people

[Cristiano viejo]

Very good indian brahman brother. I hope he will do good for Irish people

Irish people should be ruled by Irish people.

[Ziveth]

captain Sweden approves. How progressive!
Sweden Yes! :D


Robust iranid-atlantid, the classification.

[Ziveth]

Irish people should be ruled by Irish people.

I agree. Do you imagine if was an European in Indian government? Lol

[Grace O'Malley]

Irish people should be ruled by Irish people.

He is Irish. His mother is Irish and he identifies as Irish.

Here he is with Canadian PM Justin Trudeau who has just visited Ireland

http://www.irishnews.com/picturesarchive/irishnews/irishnews/2017/07/04/131053270-261d5ebe-2086-4458-ae20-62558a697e6e.jpg

[Odin]

I didn't know that Ireland is liberal. :coffee:

[Purohit ji]

I agree. Do you imagine if was an European in Indian government? Lol
You dont know sonia gandhi see is president of congress party. Congress was in rule from 2004-2014.
http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/2014/08/31/263982-sonia-gandhi.jpg

[Ziveth]

He is Irish. His mother is Irish and he identifies as Irish.
Well, he's only half Irish. It's like to say, for example, a mulatto is European.

[Ziveth]

You dont know sonia gandhi see is president of congress party. Congress was in rule from 2004-2014.
http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/2014/08/31/263982-sonia-gandhi.jpg

I didn't know that. Anyway, is very rare to find an European politician in non-European countries, while is more often to find non-European politicians in Europe.

[Cristiano viejo]

He is Irish. His mother is Irish and he identifies as Irish.

I did not know Varadkar was an Irish surname...

[Awesomedy]

Keltic-Nordid + Indobrachid

[aherne]

Overall he looks odd NW Euro. Atypical, but I've seen a lot worse...

[Grace O'Malley]

I did not know Varadkar was an Irish surname...

No one said it was. His father is an Indian doctor. Leo is Irish born and half Irish so what makes him not Irish?

[Cristiano viejo]

No one said it was. His father is an Indian doctor. Leo is Irish born and half Irish so what makes him not Irish?

His other half.

Damn, then you waste your energy to show how Europeans Irish are, when you seem to not care if an Indian is seen as a true Irish...

[Grace O'Malley]

His other half.

Damn, then you waste your energy to show how Europeans Irish are, when you seem to not care if an Indian is seen as a true Irish...

Genetically he is half-Indian but he is still Irish. People can make distinctions you know. Someone can be of Irish nationality without being 100% Irish. I love Phil Lynott and considered him an Irishman even though he was half Brazilian. The majority of Irish people think Phil was an Irish legend. I've never heard an Irish person question Phil Lynott's Irishness.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQ-tScuzwM

Here he is with 2 of his children and wife.

https://bradbama.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/jim-fitzpatick-phil-family.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

No one said it was. His father is an Indian doctor. Leo is Irish born and half Irish so what makes him not Irish?

If hypothetically all native Irish citizens mixed with non-Irish/non whites and would turn in one generation the Irish population into a racial mixed population wiping out the genuine Irish genetics and phenotypes, would you think that population would still represent truly the Irish population or would be something else ?

[Grace O'Malley]

If hypothetically all native Irish citizens mixed with non-Irish/non whites and would turn in one generation the Irish population into a racial mixed population wiping out the genuine Irish genetics and phenotypes, would you think that population would still represent truly the Irish population or would be something else ?

They'd obviously be a mixed population. You have to be able to differentiate between Irish nationality and Irish genetics. Someone who has Irish nationality and carries an Irish passport is Irish but can have different ancestry. Phil Lynott's children above are 75% Irish by genetics.

I have relatives who are only half Irish but consider themselves Irish.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Genetically he is half-Indian but he is still Irish. People can make distinctions you know. Someone can be of Irish nationality without being 100% Irish. I love Phil Lynott and considered him an Irishman even though he was half Brazilian. The majority of Irish people think Phil was an Irish legend. I've never heard an Irish person question Phil Lynott's Irishness.



I understand, but that sentiment only works while multiculturalism/multiracialism is low, if you imagine that happenning on a large scale (like I hipothesized in my previou post) then you would feel that your people was on the path o extinction and a survivalist reaction would be absolutely normal. Fortunately Ireland is still not much touched by mass migration...yet.

[Grace O'Malley]

I understand, but that sentiment only works while multiculuralism/multiracialism is low, if you imagine that happenning on a large scale (like I hipothesized in my previou post) then you would feel that your people was on the path o extinction and a survalist reaction would be absolutely normal. Fortunately Ireland is still not much touched by mass migration...yet.

I will be honest and hope Ireland does remain majority Irish but I don't begrudge people calling themselves Irish if they were born there. I have half English and half Irish relatives who consider themselves Irish. Some have even moved to Ireland and have children there. Their children would just think of themselves as Irish.

[Sebastianus Rex]

They'd obviously be a mixed population. You have to be able to differentiate between Irish nationality and Irish genetics. Someone who has Irish nationality and carries an Irish passport is Irish but can have different ancestry. Phil Lynott's children above are 75% Irish by genetics.

I have relatives who are only half Irish but consider themselves Irish.

A 75% Irish genetically mixed with non-white/european genes would very probably not cluster genetically with Irish people, while a half-Irish mixed with other european ethnicities would be genetically very similar to full Irish people...would be even almost undistinguishable depending on the admixture.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I will be honest and hope Ireland does remain majority Irish but I don't begrudge people calling themselves Irish if they were born there. I have half English and half Irish relatives who consider themselves Irish. Some have even moved to Ireland and have children there. Their children would just think of themselves as Irish.

Ok but that is not a fair comparison (and Irish-English mix is culturally and genetically VERY similar), it wouldn't change much the Irish population if they all mixed with English, genetically and in terms of appearance it would remain almost the same population...very very different from a Irish admixture with and Indian or a black/mullato individual.

[Grace O'Malley]

A 75% Irish genetically mixed with non-white/european genes would very probably not cluster genetically with Irish people, while a half-Irish mixed with other european ethnicities would be genetically very similar to full Irish people...would be even almost undistinguishable depending on the admixture.

Yes obviously.

Ireland is getting a lot of other nationals living there so it is changing at a very fast pace.

The European statistics agency said that at 11.8 per cent of the population, Ireland had the sixth highest proportion of foreign nationals.
According to data, taken from January 1st, 2014, Poles made up the largest grouping of non-nationals in Ireland at 22 per cent (or 118,042), followed by British 21 per cent (115,658); Lithuanians 7 per cent (35, 617) and Latvians (20, 086) and Nigerians (19, 727) 4 per cent each.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/almost-one-in-eight-living-in-ireland-hail-from-abroad-1.2471339

[Grace O'Malley]

Ok but that is not a fair comparison (and Irish-English mix is culturally and genetically VERY similar), it wouldn't change much the Irish population if they all mixed with English, genetically and in terms of appearance it would remain almost the same population...very very different from a Irish admixture with and Indian or a black/mullato individual.

This is an Irish woman with an Indian grandparent. If you didn't know wouldn't you just think she was Irish?

https://rsvpmagazine.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Andrea-Roche1.jpg
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/evokeuploads/2014/03/eLib_4846849.jpg
http://www.herald.ie/migration_catalog/article25347895.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/2711_Andrea_H

With her husband.
http://cdn-04.herald.ie/news/article29599723.ece/17dc2/AUTOCROP/w620/NWS_20130923_NEW_013_29028260_I1.JPG
https://rsvpmagazine.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/CC-ORMONDE-OCONNOR-WED4490174562.jpg

Here she is with her daughter.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/580628443760582656/cNEpQwkq_400x400.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

Yes obviously.

Ireland is getting a lot of other nationals living there so it is changing at a very fast pace.

The European statistics agency said that at 11.8 per cent of the population, Ireland had the sixth highest proportion of foreign nationals.
According to data, taken from January 1st, 2014, Poles made up the largest grouping of non-nationals in Ireland at 22 per cent (or 118,042), followed by British 21 per cent (115,658); Lithuanians 7 per cent (35, 617) and Latvians (20, 086) and Nigerians (19, 727) 4 per cent each.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/almost-one-in-eight-living-in-ireland-hail-from-abroad-1.2471339

Again, foreign nationals must not be put all in the same bag, from the cultural, genetic and phenotype point of view it's very different cases. Ireland has high proportion of other European immigrants, if they mix with the Irish population no major impact would cause on the Irish population, now if you imagine Irish absorbing large numbers of Nigerians for example, then it would be another matter.

How the children of this Irish/Nigerian couple will look like ?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/20/article-1368066-0B40851E00000578-522_468x431.jpg

Like I said before, while multiculturalism/multiculracialism remains low it doesn't causes a major impact on the native population, but if we think on a larger scale then it just means irreversible transformation and ultimately extinction of the host population.

[Odin]

The European statistics agency said that at 11.8 per cent of the population, Ireland had the sixth highest proportion of foreign nationals.
According to data, taken from January 1st, 2014, Poles made up the largest grouping of non-nationals in Ireland at 22 per cent (or 118,042), followed by British 21 per cent (115,658); Lithuanians 7 per cent (35, 617) and Latvians (20, 086) and Nigerians (19, 727) 4 per cent each.

Ireland is lucky.

[Grace O'Malley]

Again, foreign nationals must not be put all in the same bag, from the cultural, genetic and phenotype point of view it's very different cases. Ireland has high proportion of other European immigrants, if they mix with the Irish population no major impact would cause on the Irish population, now if you imagine Irish absorbing large numbers of Nigerians for example, then it would be another matter.

How the children of this Irish/Nigerian couple will look like ?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/20/article-1368066-0B40851E00000578-522_468x431.jpg

Like I said before, while multiculturalism/multiculracialism remains low it doesn't causes a major impact on the native population, but if we think on a larger scale then it just means irreversible transformation and ultimately extinction of the host population.

She's no longer with that guy. She is now with a white American. :) I have to be honest and say that Nigerian is not very attractive. Not sure what she saw in him.

[Grace O'Malley]

Ireland is lucky.

Why Odin? Because they have a lot of Eastern Europeans? :)

[Odin]

I have to be honest and say that Nigerian is not very attractive. Not sure what she saw in him.

Love is blind.

[Sebastianus Rex]

This is an Irish woman with an Indian grandparent. If you didn't know wouldn't you just think she was Irish?

https://rsvpmagazine.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Andrea-Roche1.jpg
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/evokeuploads/2014/03/eLib_4846849.jpg
http://www.herald.ie/migration_catalog/article25347895.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/2711_Andrea_H

With her husband.
http://cdn-04.herald.ie/news/article29599723.ece/17dc2/AUTOCROP/w620/NWS_20130923_NEW_013_29028260_I1.JPG
https://rsvpmagazine.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/CC-ORMONDE-OCONNOR-WED4490174562.jpg

Here she is with her daughter.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/580628443760582656/cNEpQwkq_400x400.jpg

Of course, but once again, that is in a context of low multiraliasm levels, her indian admxiture is already heavily diluted...and even some Indians (specially of the Brhamin caste) can be Europoid-looking.

This Portuguese woman has also partial Indian descent and looks a perfectly normal Portuguese Gracile-Med.

http://www.movenoticias.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/10171274_350262995133364_6719508348256455817_n-850x701.jpg


It's exactly what I've been stressing, it depends all on the type of the admixture and the level of the admixture/multiracialism.

[Odin]

Why Odin? Because they have a lot of Eastern Europeans? :)

Not many Muslims.

[Grace O'Malley]

Love is blind.

He's very unattractive and she is such a lovely girl. Hard to comprehend what attracted her to him?

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I00006hTCjBRLoiY/s/900/900/MISS-IRELAND-002.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I00009zibtT8bx74/s/900/900/MISS-IRELAND-017.jpg
http://cdn-01.herald.ie/news/article30971411.ece/a93c0/AUTOCROP/w620/2015-02-07_new_6795588_I1.JPG

[Tooting Carmen]

Difficult one this. In some photos he could pass as an exotic Southern European, but in others his Indian ancestry is quite marked. And while I do understand what Sebastianus Rex is saying, most Poles and other Eastern Europeans don't really pass in the British Isles, not because of the pigmentation but because their facial traits are usually very different. Thus, taking his own arguments at face value doesn't entirely work.

[Grace O'Malley]

Anyway I think Irish people are fairly welcoming and no one in Ireland made much of a fuss about Varadkar being half Indian and gay.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/comment-irish-people-dont-care-that-varadkar-is-gay-and-lauding-his-sexuality-is-condescending-35785004.html

[Tooting Carmen]

Btw, although it is true that Ireland is still one of the less multiracial countries in Western Europe and most of its immigration is from the UK and Eastern Europe, I can think of a few famous non-white people from Ireland:

Samantha Mumba, singer
https://rsvpmagazine.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/samatha-mumba.jpg

Simon Zebo and Ultan Dillane, rugby players
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/munster/22/270x290/92184.jpghttps://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/irfu/126/295x300/113144.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Btw, although it is true that Ireland is still one of the less multiracial countries in Western Europe and most of its immigration is from the UK and Eastern Europe, I can think of a few famous non-white people from Ireland:

Samantha Mumba, singer
https://rsvpmagazine.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/samatha-mumba.jpg

Simon Zebo and Ultan Dillane, rugby players
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/munster/22/270x290/92184.jpghttps://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/irfu/126/295x300/113144.jpg

All great examples. Simon Zebo is wonderful isn't he? A terrific Irish rugby player.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Difficult one this. In some photos he could pass as an exotic Southern European, but in others his Indian ancestry is quite marked. And while I do understand what Sebastianus Rex is saying, most Poles and other Eastern Europeans don't really pass in the British Isles, not because of the pigmentation but because their facial traits are usually very different. Thus, taking his own arguments at face value doesn't entirely work.

We were discussing it at a context of mixing and impact on the host population.

Many Eastern Europeans pass perfectly in western Europe and those who look more eastern if mixed with the host Irish population, their progeny would blend well with the full natives.

Not the case with non-europoid admixture is it ?

Anyway, I have a negative view of large scale ethnic mixing regardless the origin because I believe all ethnicities should be preserved, that's part of what makes them unique and the World a diverse place. But saying that, it would be foolish and autistic not to aknowledge there are huge differences between the type of admixtures, not remotely the same comparing a mixing between the same racial and cultural groups with other that are strikingly different.

[Grace O'Malley]

We were discussing it at a context of mixing and impact on the host population.

Many Eastern Europeans pass perfectly in western Europe and those who look more eastern if mixed with the host Irish population, their progeny would blend well with the full natives.

Not the case with non-europoid admixture is it ?

Lots of Irish-Polish mixes in the future?

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/generationemigration/2013/01/16/the-complexities-of-naming-irish-babies-in-poland/

Do you consider someone half Polish-half Irish more Irish than Varadkar?

[Odin]

He's very unattractive and she is such a lovely girl. Hard to comprehend what attracted her to him?

Nether caste ye youre pearles before swyne.

[Tooting Carmen]

We were discussing it at a context of mixing and impact on the host population.

Many Eastern Europeans pass perfectly in western Europe and those who look more eastern if mixed with the host Irish population, their progeny would blend well with the full natives.

Not the case with non-europoid admixture is it ?

It depends. Many European-MENA and even some European-South Asian mixes can look at least exotic Southern European and in some cases even reasonably pan-European. Does Stephen el-Shaarawy look blatantly non-Italian for example?
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Stephan+El+Shaarawy+nLyUU5Ot73lm.jpghttps://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2016/03/02/cde6bb60-55b7-4d6f-af0a-7f19403e9699/cde6bb60-55b7-4d6f-af0a-7f19403e9699_16x9_788x442.jpg

Of course, the vast majority of European-African or European-East Asian mixes look, well, mixed, but then like many European nationalists you don't seem to be so bothered by East Asians (I have commented on this before, in fact).

[Tooting Carmen]

And how does the half-Indian Michael Chopra look?
http://e0.365dm.com/14/09/16-9/20/soccer-manchester-pa-20855865-michael-chopra_3201614.jpg?20140908151412http://www.footballtop.com/sites/default/files/styles/player_full/public/photos/players/010272985240300.jpg?itok=ofd1BocB

[Sebastianus Rex]

Lots of Irish-Polish mixes in the future?

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/generationemigration/2013/01/16/the-complexities-of-naming-irish-babies-in-poland/

Do you consider someone half Polish-half Irish more Irish than Varadkar?

I'll add the last part of my post I edited later:

Anyway, I have a negative view of large scale ethnic mixing regardless the origin because I believe all ethnicities should be preserved, that's part of what makes them unique and the World a diverse place. But saying that, it would be foolish and autistic not to aknowledge there are huge differences between the type of admixtures, not remotely the same comparing a mixing between the same racial and cultural groups with other that are strikingly different.

Answering your question: a Polish/Irish mix or Vadakar, they can be both culturally equally Irish. From the genetic and appearance point of view the Polish-Irish mix would be obviously much more similar to the rest of the fully Irish population, possibly even almost undistinguishable.

Again, I believe that multiculturalism on a low scale and selective immigration can be quite beneficial to a country, what I oppose because it can have irreversible and disastrous consequences is mass migration and large scale mixing...it kills diversity.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'll add the last part of my post I edited later:

Anyway, I have a negative view of large scale ethnic mixing regardless the origin because I believe all ethnicities should be preserved, that's part of what makes them unique and the World a diverse place. But saying that, it would be foolish and autistic not to aknowledge there are huge differences between the type of admixtures, not remotely the same comparing a mixing between the same racial and cultural groups with other that are strikingly different.

Answering your question: a Polish/Irish mix or Vadakar, they can be both culturally equally Irish. From the genetic and appearance point of view the Polish-Irish mix would be obviously much more similar to the rest of the fully Irish population, possibly even almost undistinguishable.

Again, I believe that multiculturalism on a low scale and selective immigration can be quite beneficial to a country, what I oppose because it can have irreversible and disastrous consequences is mass migration and large scale mixing...it kills diversity.

I agree. I don't mind some immigration but like you I don't think any country should end up with large scale immigration especially in Europe. It should be beneficial to the host country and only in sustainable numbers.

[Tooting Carmen]

@Sebastianus Rex: Who would you consider more 'Irish' - Simon Zebo, whose father is from Martinique but who was born and raised in Ireland?
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/irfu/126/295x300/92184.jpg

Or CJ Stander, a White South African who only now plays for Ireland because he qualified under World Rugby's ludicrous three-year residency rule, having spent the last few years at Munster?
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/irfu/126/295x300/84664.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Ireland too? damn, finally only South Europe will resist this shit.

Meet Portugal's current Prime Minister:
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/739719829968592896/CMUlGLPb.jpg

And here is a former Minister in the Italian Government, now an MEP:
http://masetv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Cecile-Kyenge.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

It depends. Many European-MENA and even some European-South Asian mixes can look at least exotic Southern European and in some cases even reasonably pan-European. Does Stephen el-Shaarawy look blatantly non-Italian for example?
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Stephan+El+Shaarawy+nLyUU5Ot73lm.jpghttps://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2016/03/02/cde6bb60-55b7-4d6f-af0a-7f19403e9699/cde6bb60-55b7-4d6f-af0a-7f19403e9699_16x9_788x442.jpg

Of course, the vast majority of European-African or European-East Asian mixes look, well, mixed, but then like many European nationalists you don't seem to be so bothered by East Asians (I have commented on this before, in fact).

1. I'm not an European nationalist in the sense often referred on these type of circles.

2. I oppose mass migration wich means in the long term population replacement and destruction of ethnicities and diversity, regardless the origin of the alien elements.

3. Observing my previous point, it would be austitisc not to aknowledge that there are significant differences between the type of migration and mixing, depending on the genetic and cultural backgroud and therefore the impact on the native populations is not comparable.

4. From the migration point of view, East Asian migration is obviously much less problematic to a developed society than African migration...but that's only a short term effect, on the long term both on a large scale would mean the same result - the population replacement of the host population.


And how does the half-Indian Michael Chopra look?
http://e0.365dm.com/14/09/16-9/20/soccer-manchester-pa-20855865-michael-chopra_3201614.jpg?20140908151412http://www.footballtop.com/sites/default/files/styles/player_full/public/photos/players/010272985240300.jpg?itok=ofd1BocB

Like I said before, some Indians are Europoid but most are not. You think that if the Irish mixed on a large scale with Indians they would mostly look like that ?

[Tooting Carmen]

1. I'm not an European nationalist in the sense often referred on these type of circles.

2. I oppose mass migration wich means in the long term population replacement and destruction of ethnicities and diversity, regardless the origin of the alien elements.

3. Observing my previous point, it would be austitisc not to aknowledge that there are significant differences between the type of migration and mixing, depending on the genetic and cultural backgroud and therefore the impact on the native populations is not comparable.

4. From the migration point of view, East Asian migration is obviously much less problematic to a developed society than African migration...but that's only a short term effect, on the long term both on a large scale would mean the same result - the population replacement of the host population.



Like I said before, some Indians are Europoid but most are not. You think that if the Irish mixed on a large scale with Indians they would mostly look like that ?

OK I sympathise with some of what you are saying, but in the case of Ireland most of its increasing immigration is from other European countries, so taking your own argument at face value there isn't too much to worry about there.

[Sebastianus Rex]

@Sebastianus Rex: Who would you consider more 'Irish' - Simon Zebo, whose father is from Martinique but who was born and raised in Ireland?
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/irfu/126/295x300/92184.jpg

Or CJ Stander, a White South African who only now plays for Ireland because he qualified under World Rugby's ludicrous three-year residency rule, having spent the last few years at Munster?
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/irfu/126/295x300/84664.jpg

I've been quite clear about this, but you don't seem to want to look at the bigger picture and keep focusing on a short term view and low scale/isolated cases.

Well take a look at this French team to get my point:
http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/French-nigger-ball.jpg

And to these normal daily French religious manifestations:
http://islam.ru/en/sites/default/files/img/news/2012/11/France-prayers.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/france1.jpg

Or to this traditional Londonian neighbourhood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk

[Tooting Carmen]

I've been quite clear about this, but you don't seem to want to look at the bigger picture and keep focusing on a short term view and low sclae/isolated cases.

Well take a look at this French team to get my point:
http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/French-nigger-ball.jpg

And to these normal daily French religious manifestations:
http://islam.ru/en/sites/default/files/img/news/2012/11/France-prayers.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/france1.jpg

Or to this traditional Londonian neighbourhood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk

But not all of Western Europe is like London or Paris. And even those cities have a lot of variation between their neighbourhoods - Bethnal Green and Brixton are no more representative of London than Twickenham and Surbiton are.

[Sebastianus Rex]

OK I sympathise with some of what you are saying, but in the case of Ireland most of its increasing immigration is from other European countries, so taking your own argument at face value there isn't too much to worry about there.

There's another important fact, European immigration has a high percentage of return to their native countries, many people migrate to earn money and end up going back to their countries after some years, that is not the case with third world migration...for obvious reasons they don't want to go back to their countries because they are unsafe chaotic shitholes. So in both ways the impact of migration and the long term consequences to the host population/country is not comparable in any sense.

[Tooting Carmen]

There's another important fact, European immigration has a high percentage of return to their native countries, many people migrate to earn money and end up going back to their countries after some years, that is not the case with third world migration...for obvious reasons they don't want to go back to their countries because they are unsafe chaotic shitholes. So in both ways the impact of migration and the long term consequences to the host population/country is not comparable in any sense.

That may be more true now due to the general democratisation of Europe, improved economic conditions and much cheaper and easier travel, but that certainly wasn't always the case. The Poles who migrated to Britain en masse in the 1940's and the Iberians and Italians who migrated en masse to France from the 1850's all the way to the 1960's generally stayed long-term.

[Sebastianus Rex]

But not all of Western Europe is like London or Paris. And even those cities have a lot of variation between their neighbourhoods - Bethnal Green and Brixton are no more representative of London than Twickenham and Surbiton are.

I don't have the data for greater London, but I can tell you for a fact that in Île-de-France nowadays 65% of newborns are not of European origin (let alone French) and is projected to rise to 90% by 2025. You think this will end well ?

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't have the data for greater London, but I can tell you for a fact that in Île-de-France nowadays 65% of newborns are not of European origin (let alone French) and is projected to rise to 90% by 2025. You think this will end well ?

I agree Paris and London (along with a few other cities like Birmingham, Bradford, Marseille and Amsterdam) are rather OTT in this regard, but why are you taking them as representative of the current norm throughout Western Europe and not the extreme outliers which they clearly are?

[Sebastianus Rex]

That may be more true now due to the general democratisation of Europe, improved economic conditions and much cheaper and easier travel, but that certainly wasn't always the case. The Poles who migrated to Britain en masse in the 1940's and the Iberians and Italians who migrated en masse to France from the 1850's all the way to the 1960's generally stayed long-term.

And they didn't altered significantly the host populations, integrated well and never shut entire streets for praying or demanded that pork is not served on public canteens, turned the cities into ghettos and the prisonal and welfare systems to the point of rupture.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I agree Paris and London (along with a few other cities like Birmingham, Bradford, Marseille and Amsterdam) are rather OTT in this regard, but why are you taking them as representative of the current norm throughout Western Europe and not the extreme outliers which they clearly are?

That's a mistake and again you're being naive or short sighted, big cities are the extreme cases because all started there but a similar process is undergoing in alot of middle sized cities.

[Bell Beaker]

I agree Paris and London (along with a few other cities like Birmingham, Bradford, Marseille and Amsterdam) are rather OTT in this regard, but why are you taking them as representative of the current norm throughout Western Europe and not the extreme outliers which they clearly are?

Allmost all important cities in Western Europe have at least 20% of its population of non European origin or at the best case of Immigrant background (which might include European immigrants from other European countries). When people think of France they think of Paris and not in Normandy, Brest, Bordeux or Orleans or when they think in Britain they think of London and sometimes Manchester or Liverpool for cultural reasons (Football and Music mainly), only Liverpool has a overwhelming "White/European" majority and in many decisions that those countries have to carry with, like elections or referendums those cities are always decisive, in the Brexit referendum London alone almost made the "Stay" vote to win.

So the future of Western Europe if nothing changes will be a war between the Big Urban areas and the middle/little cities and the rural areas. Or so to say, people of immigrant background (mostly Muslim) against natives and perhaps people who are full European but of different ancestries.

[Tooting Carmen]

Allmost all important cities in Western Europe have at least 20% of its population of non European origin or at the best case of Immigrant background (which might include European immigrants from other European countries). When people think of France they think of Paris and not in Normandy, Brest, Bordeux or Orleans or when they think in Britain they think of London and sometimes Manchester or Liverpool for cultural reasons (Football and Music mainly), only Liverpool has a overwhelming "White/European" majority and in many decisions that those countries have to carry with, like elections or referendums those cities are always decisive, in the Brexit referendum London alone almost made the "Stay" vote to win.

So the future of Western Europe if nothing changes will be a war between the Big Urban areas and the middle/little cities and the rural areas. Or so to say, people of immigrant background (mostly Muslim) against natives and perhaps people who are full European but of different ancestries.

Atm, the countries in Western Europe with the fewest immigrants seem to be Iceland, Finland and possibly Denmark and Portugal. (Yes I know you have a lot of Brazilians and Lusophone Africans, but still per capita it is not as high as in many other European countries, regardless of what the football team might suggest). And I know all about extreme multiculturalism as I grew up in Leicester, which has an exceptionally large South Asian population and also formidable numbers of Afro-Caribbeans, Somalis and Eastern Europeans. But it seems to be a no-win situation here: if immigrants and their descendants DO integrate, they are seen as "threatening to destroy the White race", whereas if they do NOT, then they are seen as disloyal and ungrateful. Anyway, I am really mystified as to how a relatively innocuous thread about the future PM of Ireland has turned into one long rant about immigration, multiculturalism and race-mixing. In Ireland's case, most immigration is from the UK and Eastern Europe, and the non-white population is still small even in Dublin.

[Bell Beaker]

Atm, the countries in Western Europe with the fewest immigrants seem to be Iceland, Finland and possibly Denmark and Portugal. (Yes I know you have a lot of Brazilians and Lusophone Africans, but still per capita it is not as high as in many other European countries, regardless of what the football team might suggest). And I know all about extreme multiculturalism as I grew up in Leicester, which has an exceptionally large South Asian population and also formidable numbers of Afro-Caribbeans, Somalis and Eastern Europeans. But it seems to be a no-win situation here: if immigrants and their descendants DO integrate, they are seen as "threatening to destroy the White race", whereas if they do NOT, then they are seen as disloyal and ungrateful. Anyway, I am really mystified as to how a relatively innocuous thread about the future PM of Ireland has turned into one long rant about immigration, multiculturalism and race-mixing. In Ireland's case, most immigration is from the UK and Eastern Europe, and the non-white population is still small even in Dublin.

The only area where non-Portuguese are an important minority is in Lisbon and its surrounding area (specially Amadora, the many towns of Sintra council and Margem Sul), with that said I would guess that ~25% of the LMA has some sort of non-Portuguese background, people of European descent are probably 80% or so if we count with the Eastern Europeans living here. When you leave the LMA the non-native population drops at increasing levels and can only rise again in Porto or Algarve (where there is an important Northern European community plus a few Africans, Slavs and Brazilians).

I can say for sure that ~10% of the total population is not full Portuguese, and like 5-7% has some non-European background (Mainly African, Brazilian or Gypsy).

Even tough we have already a national team where half of the players or almost that are not full Portuguese, and we have a half Indian Prime Minister and a African Minister of Justice. In the previous government all the minister were full Portuguese I think. The overall Portuguese situation is not comparable with France or UK, because the average immigrant is not some lost Muslim from Algeria, Senegal or Nigeria who knows or cares a fuck about his host country culture or anything related to it.

[Tooting Carmen]

The only area where non-Portuguese are an important minority is in Lisbon and its surrounding area (specially Amadora, the many towns of Sintra council and Margem Sul), with that said I would guess that ~25% of the LMA has some sort of non-Portuguese background, people of European descent are probably 80% or so if we count with the Eastern Europeans living here. When you leave the LMA the non-native population drops at increasing levels and can only rise again in Porto or Algarve (where there is an important Northern European community plus a few Africans, Slavs and Brazilians).

I can say for sure that ~10% of the total population is not full Portuguese, and like 5-7% has some non-European background (Mainly African, Brazilian or Gypsy).

Even tough we have already a national team where half of the players or almost that are not full Portuguese, and we have a half Indian Prime Minister and a African Minister of Justice. In the previous government all the minister were full Portuguese I think. The overall Portuguese situation is not comparable with France or UK, because the average immigrant is not some lost Muslim from Algeria, Senegal or Nigeria who knows or cares a fuck about his host country culture or anything related to it.

According to the UK's 2011 census, around 20% of the population is non-native - around 6% South Asian, 3% Black, 3% Mixed-race, 4% other ethnic groups like Arabs and Chinese, and 4% White Other (mostly Eastern Europeans).

[Bell Beaker]

According to the UK's 2011 census, around 20% of the population is non-native - around 6% South Asian, 3% Black, 3% Mixed-race, 2% other ethnic groups like Arabs and Chinese, and 6% White Other (mostly Eastern Europeans).

Already outdated, 6 years have passed and probably now only 75% of the British population is White British, and 82% or something like that is White.

I would say 85% of the total Western European population (British Isles, France, Benelux, Germany, Scandinavia, Italy, Iberia, Austria......) is of full European ancestry.

With the Eastern Europeans (who have some Gyspsy minorities but they are only relevant in like 3 or 4 countries of the Balkans) it should be 90-92% the total figure for European population within Europe.

[Tooting Carmen]

Already outdated, 6 years have passed and probably now only 75% of the British population is White British, and 82% or something like that is White.

I would say 85% of the total Western European population (British Isles, France, Benelux, Germany, Scandinavia, Italy, Iberia, Austria......) is of full European ancestry.

With the Eastern Europeans (who have some Gyspsy minorities but they are only relevant in like 3 or 4 countries of the Balkans) it should be 90-92% the total figure for European population within Europe.

I take your point, but it should also be pointed out that at least as much if not more of the growth of the non-white populations across Europe is due to their higher birth rates as it is due to new immigrants (the same is also true of Hispanics in the USA and Asians and PIs in Australia and New Zealand - contrary to popular belief, immigration from Mexico in particular has actually declined considerably over the last decade.)