Inquizzzitor
06-09-2017, 05:19 PM
Basically, my ancestry is 6 out of 8 great-grandparents being British (mostly English, some Scottish, less Irish, and very remote German and Dutch, and one great-grandparent (6.25% of my DNA) of unknown but we assume also basically British origin). Aside from that, it's just one great-grandparent from the middle of France and one great-grandparent from Messina, Sicily.
However, most of the mixed-population sharing oracles on GED match show WHAT APPEARS TO ME to be a rather much more Mediterranean-shifted slant than the above pedigree would be assumed to produce. Take a look at some of my oracle results below. Is this what you would assume, for a pedigree that's (basically) 75% British, 12.5% run of the mill French and 12.5% Sicilian? Could this indicate that 6.25% I don't know about is Mediterranean instead of British? But 23andme puts me at like 84% "Northwest European" (I guess they include France in NW Europe?) and 12.4% Southern European which is closer to what I would expect. Geno 2.0 had me more Med-shifted than this, almost half way between the British and the Greek averages.
MLDP K-16 Modern (where I appear 60% Orcadian/Scottish and 40% Greek)
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.5% Orcadian + 40.5% Greek @ 2.27
2 55.8% Macedonian + 44.2% Orcadian @ 2.31
3 71.3% Hungarian + 28.7% Italian @ 2.35
4 54.6% Orcadian + 45.4% Kosovar @ 2.35
5 50.7% Macedonian + 49.3% English @ 2.38
6 55.6% Scottish + 44.4% Kosovar @ 2.39
7 60.8% Norwegian + 39.2% Italian @ 2.4
8 82.1% English + 17.9% Druze @ 2.43
9 55% Macedonian + 45% Scottish @ 2.43
10 56.4% Icelandic + 43.6% Greek @ 2.44
11 59.7% Orcadian + 40.3% Albanian @ 2.47
12 59.5% Icelandic + 40.5% Italian @ 2.48
13 57.7% Norwegian + 42.3% Greek @ 2.49
14 52.7% English + 47.3% Bulgarian @ 2.5
15 60.5% Scottish + 39.5% Greek @ 2.51
16 64.3% Norwegian + 35.7% Sicilian @ 2.54
17 77.1% Orcadian + 22.9% Cypriot @ 2.56
18 62.6% Orcadian + 37.4% Italian @ 2.58
19 52.7% Irish + 47.3% Macedonian @ 2.6
20 51.4% Icelandic + 48.6% Kosovar @ 2.6
MLDP K23b (where I appear half Greek half Icelandic)
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Northwest +50% Icelandic @ 3.748881
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cypriot + Icelandic + Norwegian_West + Norwegian_West @ 1.881076
2 Cypriot + Norwegian_West + Orcadian + Swede @ 1.920751
Eurogenes K-13 (where for example it looks like I am 80% English and 20% Turkish, much more shifted than one would expect out of my pedigree above)
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Southwest_English + 16.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.79
2 80.2% Southwest_English + 19.8% Turkish @ 2.92
3 83% Southwest_English + 17% Armenian @ 2.93
4 81.2% Southwest_English + 18.8% Azeri @ 3.01
5 82.6% Southwest_English + 17.4% Kurdish @ 3.03
6 81.1% Irish + 18.9% Syrian @ 3.05
7 81% Irish + 19% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.1
Dodecad V3 (where I appear 83% Scottish and 16.9% Palestinian, which alone is well over my genetic source for even Sicilian genes, at 12.5%)
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 16.9% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 1.27
2 83.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 16.3% Jordanians_19 (Behar) @ 1.41
3 82.3% Orcadian (HGDP) + 17.7% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 1.41
4 82.9% Orcadian (HGDP) + 17.1% Syrians (Behar) @ 1.43
5 82.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 17.9% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.4
Harappa World (again, same pattern)
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.8% british (1000genomes) + 18.2% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 1.41
2 76.8% orcadian (hgdp) + 23.2% cypriot (behar) @ 1.44
3 82.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 17.1% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 1.46
4 82.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 17.8% lebanese (behar) @ 1.5
Thoughts?
However, most of the mixed-population sharing oracles on GED match show WHAT APPEARS TO ME to be a rather much more Mediterranean-shifted slant than the above pedigree would be assumed to produce. Take a look at some of my oracle results below. Is this what you would assume, for a pedigree that's (basically) 75% British, 12.5% run of the mill French and 12.5% Sicilian? Could this indicate that 6.25% I don't know about is Mediterranean instead of British? But 23andme puts me at like 84% "Northwest European" (I guess they include France in NW Europe?) and 12.4% Southern European which is closer to what I would expect. Geno 2.0 had me more Med-shifted than this, almost half way between the British and the Greek averages.
MLDP K-16 Modern (where I appear 60% Orcadian/Scottish and 40% Greek)
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.5% Orcadian + 40.5% Greek @ 2.27
2 55.8% Macedonian + 44.2% Orcadian @ 2.31
3 71.3% Hungarian + 28.7% Italian @ 2.35
4 54.6% Orcadian + 45.4% Kosovar @ 2.35
5 50.7% Macedonian + 49.3% English @ 2.38
6 55.6% Scottish + 44.4% Kosovar @ 2.39
7 60.8% Norwegian + 39.2% Italian @ 2.4
8 82.1% English + 17.9% Druze @ 2.43
9 55% Macedonian + 45% Scottish @ 2.43
10 56.4% Icelandic + 43.6% Greek @ 2.44
11 59.7% Orcadian + 40.3% Albanian @ 2.47
12 59.5% Icelandic + 40.5% Italian @ 2.48
13 57.7% Norwegian + 42.3% Greek @ 2.49
14 52.7% English + 47.3% Bulgarian @ 2.5
15 60.5% Scottish + 39.5% Greek @ 2.51
16 64.3% Norwegian + 35.7% Sicilian @ 2.54
17 77.1% Orcadian + 22.9% Cypriot @ 2.56
18 62.6% Orcadian + 37.4% Italian @ 2.58
19 52.7% Irish + 47.3% Macedonian @ 2.6
20 51.4% Icelandic + 48.6% Kosovar @ 2.6
MLDP K23b (where I appear half Greek half Icelandic)
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Northwest +50% Icelandic @ 3.748881
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cypriot + Icelandic + Norwegian_West + Norwegian_West @ 1.881076
2 Cypriot + Norwegian_West + Orcadian + Swede @ 1.920751
Eurogenes K-13 (where for example it looks like I am 80% English and 20% Turkish, much more shifted than one would expect out of my pedigree above)
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Southwest_English + 16.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.79
2 80.2% Southwest_English + 19.8% Turkish @ 2.92
3 83% Southwest_English + 17% Armenian @ 2.93
4 81.2% Southwest_English + 18.8% Azeri @ 3.01
5 82.6% Southwest_English + 17.4% Kurdish @ 3.03
6 81.1% Irish + 18.9% Syrian @ 3.05
7 81% Irish + 19% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.1
Dodecad V3 (where I appear 83% Scottish and 16.9% Palestinian, which alone is well over my genetic source for even Sicilian genes, at 12.5%)
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 16.9% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 1.27
2 83.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 16.3% Jordanians_19 (Behar) @ 1.41
3 82.3% Orcadian (HGDP) + 17.7% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 1.41
4 82.9% Orcadian (HGDP) + 17.1% Syrians (Behar) @ 1.43
5 82.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 17.9% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.4
Harappa World (again, same pattern)
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.8% british (1000genomes) + 18.2% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 1.41
2 76.8% orcadian (hgdp) + 23.2% cypriot (behar) @ 1.44
3 82.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 17.1% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 1.46
4 82.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 17.8% lebanese (behar) @ 1.5
Thoughts?