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Voskos
06-11-2017, 08:09 PM
Some IBD(identity by descent) sharing diagrams between each group of Jews and modern populations, made by Dienekes.

Ashkenazi:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LkfrDhnXdrY/UCJQb898A8I/AAAAAAAAFPI/MQnER13KcxI/s640/Ashkenazi_D.png

Sephardic/

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L9Nw87uZCSg/UCJQijh-_XI/AAAAAAAAFPQ/ESq5F1gLYxA/s640/Sephardic_Jews.png

Moroccan Jews:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0aa_SAiZpxE/UCJQrICgrNI/AAAAAAAAFPY/bwbfd6dAycg/s640/Morocco_Jews.png

Iraq Jews:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aMUJs3QUQTs/UCJQyUVGyoI/AAAAAAAAFPg/DqxwVOs6GLI/s640/Iraq_Jews.png

Yemen Jews

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yHcUf09_ET4/UCJQ7EO2E3I/AAAAAAAAFPo/pv4SLtMJ-Kk/s640/Yemen_Jews.png

Kamal900
06-11-2017, 08:15 PM
I cluster the closest to the Mizrahi Jews, but I'm very distant from the western Jewish peoples.

Sikeliot
06-11-2017, 08:17 PM
IBD sharing measures recent sharing.

Interesting that Ashkenazim share low IBD with southern Italians, despite plotting with them autosomally. Means the link is very ancient and not due to recent mixture between the two.

Myanthropologies
06-11-2017, 08:21 PM
Those doesn't make sense that ashkenazis get German before Syrian or Iranian.

Sikeliot
06-11-2017, 08:26 PM
Those doesn't make sense that ashkenazis get German before Syrian or Iranian.

IBD sharing says "Who did _____ absorb mixture from more recently?"

Lucas
06-11-2017, 11:51 PM
IBD sharing says "Who did _____ absorb mixture from more recently?"

Yes, in such case it makes sense.

Lucas
06-11-2017, 11:53 PM
Sorry but why Morocco Jews have Polish quite high? It's nonsense. They didn't live in Central Europe liek Ashkenazi.

Sikeliot
06-11-2017, 11:56 PM
Sorry but why Morocco Jews have Polish quite high? It's nonsense. They didn't live in Central Europe liek Ashkenazi.

Part of their ancestry came from Spanish Jews.

MysteriousWays
06-12-2017, 12:51 AM
Sorry but why Morocco Jews have Polish quite high? It's nonsense. They didn't live in Central Europe liek Ashkenazi.

Yes, I am not sure why they are showing Polish either. Is that number actually a "high" number though, compared with similarities among other populations, using IBD sharing?

MysteriousWays
06-12-2017, 12:52 AM
Part of their ancestry came from Spanish Jews.

Still I'm not sure how this would lead to Poland though.

XenophobicPrussian
06-12-2017, 01:17 AM
Interesting how high the numbers are for Lithuanians/Poles with Askhenazis. I wonder how much of the southern shift in Poles is actually from Jews vs neolithic farmers. I think one of the Dark Ages Slavic samples from the Czech Republic was closest to Lithuanians(but if modern Lithuanians also have a lot of Jewish admixture who would the ancient Lithuanians be closest to? doesn't get more northern than them).

Maybe it's one of the reasons Poland can produce group photos like this:

http://eurohandballpoland2014.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DSC5062.jpg

Anglojew
06-12-2017, 06:20 AM
Balto-Armenids makes sense for Ashkenazim

Rethel
06-12-2017, 09:22 AM
Maybe it's one of the reasons Poland can produce group photos like this:


Unbelivible. Maybe they are imported - they all look like Russkies :laugh:


Some IBD(identity by descent) sharing diagrams between each group of Jews and modern populations, made by Dienekes.

Graphics are unreadable.

EL_BARBARO
06-12-2017, 09:57 AM
Sorry but why Morocco Jews have Polish quite high? It's nonsense. They didn't live in Central Europe liek Ashkenazi.


It may be because of the expulsion of the Jews from Spain. Previously a lot of ashkenazies jews arrived to Spain from other countries where they were expelled from, as well.

So, along the sephardi jews from Spain, many other jews were expelled to, and many of them to Northern Africa.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Expulsion_judios-en.svg/500px-Expulsion_judios-en.svg.png

Voskos
06-12-2017, 09:59 AM
@rethel , use the original link for better resolution


http://dienekes.blogspot.gr/2012/08/fastibd-analysis-of-several-jewish-and.html

Petalpusher
06-12-2017, 11:26 AM
I don't see Moroccan_Jews sharing anything special with Polish. It's what Jews share with several populations not the other way around, especially since those who converted, absorbed some admixture then sticked to their tribe in most cases.