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Smaland
11-23-2010, 06:29 AM
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-KZ324_1123nk_G_20101123014750.jpg
Image: Getty/AFP Images

"In a file picture taken on May 31, 2009 a North Korean navy patrol boat is seen amongst North Korean fishing boats from the South Korea-controlled Yeonpyeong island in the disputed waters of the Yellow Sea. Several North Korean artillery shells landed on a South Korean border island on November 23, 2010 damaging homes and causing injuries, YTN television reported."


SEOUL—North Korea fired artillery at South Korea's Yeonpyeong island in the Yellow Sea off the countries' west coast Tuesday afternoon, setting houses on fire. South Korea returned fire, according to residents on the island speaking on South Korea's YTN television network.
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The artillery—more than 50 rounds, according to island residents speaking on YTN—was fired from positions south of the North Korean city of Haeju.

Full story (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703904804575631763523837910.html)

Smaland
11-23-2010, 07:01 AM
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F-15's in the Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF, pre-conflict photo)


Nov. 23 (Bloomberg) -- South Korea scrambled fighter jets and returned fire after North Korea lobbed dozens of shells into its territory, injuring four soldiers, Yonhap News reported.

A South Korean Defense Ministry official, who declined to be identified, confirmed the shelling, without giving any further details. The military has been put on high alert and will “respond strongly” to further provocation, he said.

Full story (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-23/s-korea-scrambles-jets-returns-fire-after-north-shells-island.html)

Austin
11-23-2010, 07:22 AM
How wonderful!!!!! (:

I love these stories!

Sol Invictus
11-23-2010, 08:22 AM
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Sabinae
11-23-2010, 09:44 AM
i hope it wont degenerate....last thing we need is war...

Wölfin
11-23-2010, 09:44 AM
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lc4ug8nZpu1qeawxco1_500.jpg

They did WHAT!?!?!?!?

Sol Invictus
11-23-2010, 10:22 AM
November 23 2010 | http://livenewswire.tumblr.com/ Recent Twitter Activity

ALERT: South Korea - Military drill, including test-fires, took place near island before North Korean attack
half a minute ago via Tweetie for Mac

ALERT: South Korea admits it was conducting test-fires before North Korea artillery attack, but says it did not fire north - Reuters
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ALERT: Military operations chief for South Korea confirms the country fired on North Korea after being hit with artillery rounds.
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Report: North Korea artillery attack could have been prompted by sudden illness of leader Kim Jong-Il.
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ALERT: Russia says both Koreas face "colossal danger," calls for immediate end to all strikes.
about 1 hour ago via Tweetie for Mac

NEW PHOTO: Smoke billows from South Korean island after North Korean attack - http://goo.gl/XZV9N
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ALERT: North Korea is reportedly vowing additional "merciless" attacks against South Korea soon.
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ALERT: North Korea claims South Korea fired shells first at 1pm local time, prompting North Korean retaliation - Reuters
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ALERT: Seoul International Airport has suspended some operations following the North Korea artillery attack on S. Korean island.
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ALERT: North Korea's news agency claims South Korea fired on its country first, prompting North Korea to retaliate with artillery.
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ALERT: Russia's foreign minister has ordered North Korea to immediately halt attacks against South Korea - Reuters
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ALERT: Chinese government withholding statement on North Korean artillery attacks, says facts still need to be gathered.
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PHOTO: Refugees arrive in South Korea after fleeing island struck by North Korean artillery attack - http://goo.gl/qp8Hc
about 1 hour ago via Tweetie for Mac

ALERT: No American military members were believed to be near South Korean Island when North Korea artillery attack took place.
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ALERT: Russia has called North Korea's attack on South Korea "unacceptable," says disputes between Koreas must be resolved "diplomatically."
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PHOTO: People look toward South Korean in amazement after 200 artillery shells fired by North Korea - http://goo.gl/9ChIZ
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ALERT: Unification Minister - Red Cross talks between North, South Korea indefinitely suspended (Reuters)
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GRAPHIC: North Korea kills 2, injures nearly 20 in artillery attack on South Korea - http://goo.gl/gNFoW
about 1 hour ago via Tweetie for Mac

ALERT: South Korea's defense minister has said North Korea's artillery attack "planned, intentional" - Reuters
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ALERT: White House says they are in close, continuing contact with South Korea; 3 civilians, 17 soldiers hurt - Reuters
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Liffrea
11-23-2010, 01:40 PM
Technically they are still at war….

Gamera
11-23-2010, 02:42 PM
How wonderful!!!!! (:

I love these stories!

Why don't you join the army already instead of cheering every possibility of a war on the internet?

Murphy
11-23-2010, 02:43 PM
Liff', I bet you £10 it's a proxy war between the USA and the USSR which we will soon discover has only gone under ground.

The Lawspeaker
11-23-2010, 03:27 PM
Could this be the start (http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2010/11/23/81/0301000000AEN20101123013700315F.HTML) of the Third Korean War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_DMZ_Conflict_(1966-1969)) (or the actual Korean War flaring up again and leading to an all out confrontation) ?

Smaland
11-23-2010, 03:36 PM
http://img.yonhapnews.co.kr/etc/graphic/YH/2010/11/23/GYH2010112300190032003_P1.jpg
Image: Yonhap News Agency

The Northern Limit Line is the maritime border between North and South Korea.

Liffrea
11-23-2010, 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by Eóin
Liff', I bet you £10 it's a proxy war between the USA and the USSR which we will soon discover has only gone under ground.

But the USSR is gone……Russia seem embarrassed by North Korea (so do the Chinese, why discomfort the Americans militarily when the Chinese will own America economically in the next couple of decades anyway?).

Personally I think the Chinese might do them long before America and the South move, they are as much a problem for Beijing as Washington or Seoul, plus the Chinese don’t want the US military stuck in the region indefinitely, the Far East (including Japan) is probably ear marked as a Chinese Co-prosperity sphere.

North Korea taken into Chinese “protection”.

Smaland
11-23-2010, 04:08 PM
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The above video is actually a narrated slide show that provides images of the South Korean island after the attack.

Embedding has been disabled by request, so click on the link "Watch on Youtube" to view the video.

Loki
11-23-2010, 04:27 PM
How believable are the BBC, CNN etc that NK actually shot first? They are denying this. Are we jumping on the bandwagon just because SK is a US ally? The language coming from SK sounds very aggressive. I don't trust the US role in this, nor their devious schemes.

The Lawspeaker
11-23-2010, 04:36 PM
Whoever fired first: we should stay the heck out. No Europeans should die or get injured for a bunch of crazies.

Smaland
11-23-2010, 05:12 PM
How believable are the BBC, CNN etc that NK actually shot first? They are denying this. Are we jumping on the bandwagon just because SK is a US ally? The language coming from SK sounds very aggressive. I don't trust the US role in this, nor their devious schemes.

I don't see what BBC and CNN stand to gain by not telling the truth about this particular incident. Whatever their agendas may be, there is nothing to gain, and a lot to be lost if they were found out. Besides, BBC and CNN are hardly pro-American, so they weren't tempted to stretch the truth out of sentiment.

It's only proper to use aggressive language when your territory has just been attacked by a hostile power.

If there's any government that is devious and has trouble telling the truth, it's North Korea.

Harcos
11-23-2010, 06:04 PM
''Socialism and nationalism have a common concern and aspiration, namely the love for the homeland and nation.'' -- Kim Jong-il.

I long for the day Juche, and North Korean flags wave victoriously in Seoul.

Kick the imperialist capitalists back to Washington!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5T9Ms9_iho

Death to the enemies of the People's Paradise.

Heil the true Korea!

Vasconcelos
11-23-2010, 06:08 PM
rofl ok

Loki
11-23-2010, 06:15 PM
I don't see what BBC and CNN stand to gain by not telling the truth about this particular incident. Whatever their agendas may be, there is nothing to gain, and a lot to be lost if they were found out. Besides, BBC and CNN are hardly pro-American, so they weren't tempted to stretch the truth out of sentiment.


My friend, the media is one of the most powerful political weapons ever devised by mankind. Correctly wielded, it is a most strategic and 'invisible' weapon for asymmetric warfare, even more effective than a hydrogen bomb.

I do not know about agendas or who's pulling the strings, but this I do know: news articles - especially of a geopolitical importance - should be scrutinized and not just taken at face value. I reckon more than 99% of the readers would do the latter. Mostly because they know too little, but also because they are too lazy to think for themselves.

So let's analyse this particular news article, published all over the world in the major papers.

Question 1: How does the BBC/CNN (I use them as example) know who shot first? Do they have a dedicated reporting team stationed at Yeonpyeong island, and who kept a log of all happenings on the day? Common sense would tell you "no". Therefore I reckon the newsmedia either got their info from South Korean or American military sources (there are 28,500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_armed_forces#Overseas) of them stationed in South Korea).

Question 2: I read, deep into one site's article, that North Korea denied firing first. So here's my question: Why is it reported as fact that NK fired first? Obviously someone is lying, but the CNN/BBC have already made up their mind as to the fact - without any investigation of events at all. They have two versions of a story, but have jumped to pick the version of the story that would be more popular. Surprised? Accurate reporting would have remained more neutral on the matter.

Now, I am not saying that NK is the innocent party here, I am saying that we should not take everything reported without scrutinizing it. It may well be that the South is innocent, but the very honest fact is that we just don't know at this point - and probably never will.

Sol Invictus
11-23-2010, 06:37 PM
If there's any government that is devious and has trouble telling the truth, it's North Korea.

I don't know how much the North Koreans have lied to me in the past, but I do know how much the western media has lied to me in the past, and how they are not to be trusted when it comes down to accurate and honest reporting.

To me this is a clear set-up. The South has already admitted it fired the first shots; so is it that hard to believe that they snuck in a shell aimed at the North under cover of a seemingly harmless and routine tactical drill?

Liffrea
11-23-2010, 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Loki
Now, I am not saying that NK is the innocent party here, I am saying that we should not take everything reported without scrutinizing it. It may well be that the South is innocent, but the very honest fact is that we just don't know at this point - and probably never will.

Yes, but then you look at previous, who usually does provoke incidents?..................North Korea, who most likely sunk a South Korean warship?.........North Korea.

South Korea doesn’t have much to gain by going to war, they are an economic power house, North Korea would be as useful to the South Korean economy as East Germany was to West Germany, a millstone around their necks for several decades. Seoul would be reduced to rubble in a matter of hours. Add to that the advantage of having the US warmachine in your backyard means you can sleep safer at night, remove North Korea and that puts the South's government on the border with China and the probable withdrawl of US protection.

No, South Korea would be stupid to want a war, status quo suits them fine.

I agree, the media shouldn’t be taken as gospel, but I think it is North Korea who shits on South Korea’s lawn more than vice versa.

Loki
11-23-2010, 06:47 PM
Yes, but then you look at previous, who usually does provoke incidents?..................North Korea, who most likely sunk a South Korean warship?.........North Korea.


Hmm maybe that should be questioned as well?



South Korea doesn’t have much to gain by going to war, they are an economic power house, North Korea would be as useful to the South Korean economy as East Germany was to West Germany, a millstone around their necks for several decades. Seoul would be reduced to rubble in a matter of hours. Add to that the advantage of having the US warmachine in your backyard means you can sleep safer at night, remove North Korea and that puts the South's government on the border with China and the probable withdrawl of US protection.

No, South Korea would be stupid to want a war, status quo suits them fine.

I agree, the media shouldn’t be taken as gospel, but I think it is North Korea who shits on South Korea’s lawn more than vice versa.

South Korea has a lot to gain by the overthrow of the North Korean regime: regional stability, and perhaps even the dream of a great and strong united Korean nation. A united Korea would be much better placed to compete with Japan and China economically.

Joe McCarthy
11-23-2010, 07:24 PM
What isn't generally appreciated is that the ROK's standing army and reserve forces are more than a match for the DPRK's obsolete, Cold War era junk. North Korea won't be marching on Seoul. At most they'll turn Seoul into rubble before being smashed themselves.

Sol Invictus
11-23-2010, 07:32 PM
http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/north-korea-is-best-korea.jpg

CelticTemplar
11-23-2010, 07:37 PM
It's only a matter of time before South Korea stops taking North Korea's crap. I mean the North Koreans have been openly hostile very recently. First they sink one of their ships, now they are shelling their territory, how long do we wait for for an all out invasion by the North?

Fortis in Arduis
11-23-2010, 07:49 PM
The sad story here is that there is a nation divided by materialist ideologies.

If DPRK were to reform it's economy with co-operative economics, it could end up being the greater of the two.

Economic reforms have worked for China.

Óttar
11-23-2010, 08:05 PM
This is a good Horst Wessel-esque opportunity for the US to knock out the North Korean regime in one night.

Joe McCarthy
11-23-2010, 08:10 PM
This is a good Horst Wessel-esque opportunity for the US to knock out the North Korean regime in one night.

My assumption is that if all out war breaks out, ROK forces will be backed by round the clock bombing from the USAF. The question is what will China or Russia do, if anything. This flashpoint has the potential to completely alter world order, especially if Russia and China both decide to issue the US an ultimatum, in which case we'll almost be forced to back down.

The best move would probably be to avoid such a showdown and merely assist the ROK in less obvious ways, though I agree that we definitely owe the DPRK an ass kicking, especially over the Pueblo.

Fortis in Arduis
11-23-2010, 08:15 PM
^^ Why not just make a "telephone call"? ;)

Troll's Puzzle
11-23-2010, 08:22 PM
^^ Why not just make a "telephone cal"l? :D

get American Hero™ Lady Gaga on the line to Pingpongyangyin and Kim Jong will be backing out in seconds

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/k486dxjpg.gif

Joe McCarthy
11-23-2010, 08:23 PM
^^ Why not just make a "telephone cal"l? :D

My phone call remark has been completely misconstrued, I suspect deliberately in some cases.

Loki
11-23-2010, 08:38 PM
My assumption is that if all out war breaks out, ROK forces will be backed by round the clock bombing from the USAF. The question is what will China or Russia do, if anything. This flashpoint has the potential to completely alter world order, especially if Russia and China both decide to issue the US an ultimatum, in which case we'll almost be forced to back down.

The best move would probably be to avoid such a showdown and merely assist the ROK in less obvious ways, though I agree that we definitely owe the DPRK an ass kicking, especially over the Pueblo.

America cannot afford to get involved in another off-shore proxy war, put simply. China can.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Country_foreign_exchange_reserves_minus_external_d ebt.png/800px-Country_foreign_exchange_reserves_minus_external_d ebt.png

^^
Country foreign exchange reserves minus external debt

The Lawspeaker
11-23-2010, 08:45 PM
''Socialism and nationalism have a common concern and aspiration, namely the love for the homeland and nation.'' -- Kim Jong-il.

I long for the day Juche, and North Korean flags wave victoriously in Seoul.

Kick the imperialist capitalists back to Washington!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5T9Ms9_iho

Death to the enemies of the People's Paradise.

Heil the true Korea!
Idiot. I am quite sure that South Korea is not the democratic Valhalla it is made out to be but it's still a helluva lot better then goddamn North Korea.

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As far as this mess is concerned: we should stay the bloody hell out but I sure as hell do hope that if North Korea is indeed guilty then China will step aside when Seoul lets the tanks roll on Pyongyang. And yes, personally I am all for a re-United Korea without foreign entanglements or foreign troops on it's soil. So this should be the condition China sets: the US should piss off from Korea when this war is done or Chinese forces should actually remove them.

Brynhild
11-23-2010, 08:51 PM
I hope the Western Allies stay out of this, because you can bet your life that Australians would be called up as well, just as they were back in the 1950s. They've never resolved their differences and no outside intervention will ever change it.

Fortis in Arduis
11-23-2010, 09:03 PM
I do not think that North Korea is quite so bad as it is made out to be either.

Harcos
11-23-2010, 09:44 PM
Idiot. I am quite sure that South Korea is not the democratic Valhalla it is made out to be but it's still a helluva lot better then goddamn North Korea.

As far as this mess is concerned: we should stay the bloody hell out but I sure as hell do hope that if North Korea is indeed guilty then China will step aside when Seoul lets the tanks roll on Pyongyang. And yes, personally I am all for a re-United Korea without foreign entanglements or foreign troops on it's soil. So this should be the condition China sets: the US should piss off from Korea when this war is done or Chinese forces should actually remove them.

Sorry, what's with the personal insult?

South Korea is a westernised, christianised and a decadent & capitalist American colony. North Korea is one of the last voices of freedom from international slavery, and are something to look up to.

If you'd truly support an independet and united Korea, you'd support a Juche takeover of the South. The opposite would result in further American Judeo-Capitalist hegemony in the north, and there's no reason to believe the Chinese would intervene. Even if they would, then how is a possible Sino-US conflict any better option by the way? It would result in further destruction in the peninsula.

Joe McCarthy
11-23-2010, 09:55 PM
The DPRK is actually a highly racist regime. This is a point I'm glad the international press doesn't emphasize more.

Monolith
11-23-2010, 10:05 PM
Economic reforms have worked for China.
Ummm, try with foreign capital.

Treffie
11-23-2010, 10:06 PM
South Korea is a westernised, christianised and a decadent & capitalist American colony. North Korea is one of the last voices of freedom from international slavery, and are something to look up to.



Why are you glossing over the reality of what is North Korea?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/images/dprk-dmsp-dark.jpg

Joe McCarthy
11-23-2010, 10:09 PM
I recommend this book on the DPRK:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51030D5KVML._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Joe McCarthy
11-23-2010, 10:12 PM
Juche Tower in Pyongyang. It looks like something you'd see in Mordor:

http://www.transparent.com/korean/files/2010/09/juche_tower.jpg

Saruman
11-23-2010, 10:12 PM
Ummm, try with foreign capital.

Important thing is that it works(for them).;)

Sol Invictus
11-23-2010, 10:14 PM
Juche Tower in Pyongyang. It looks like something you'd see in Mordor:

Or in Washington D.C.

http://www.planetware.com/i/photo/washington-monument-washington-d-c-dcwm1.jpg

Joe McCarthy
11-23-2010, 10:17 PM
Or in Washington D.C.

http://www.planetware.com/i/photo/washington-monument-washington-d-c-dcwm1.jpg

Juche Tower has a spooky quality that something like the Lincoln Memorial could never match. Though admittedly, I wouldn't mind seeing the tower in person.

Austin
11-23-2010, 10:18 PM
Why don't you join the army already instead of cheering every possibility of a war on the internet?


Asia has yet to have their regional conflicts between themselves and I want to see what will go down. That doesn't make me immoral.

Less than 1% of Americans serve in the military.....don't be petty and sappy.

Besides it is people who cheer on wars that create them not the soldiers.

Treffie
11-23-2010, 10:21 PM
Kim Jong Il's son (and apparent heir) is obviously not North Korean - he's way too fat

http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/8/689442/1286568472419.JPEG

Joe McCarthy
11-23-2010, 10:22 PM
Kim Jong Il's son (and apparent heir) is obviously not North Korean - he's way too fat

http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/8/689442/1286568472419.JPEG

North Koreans are all Orcs anyway, so no matter.

Austin
11-23-2010, 10:42 PM
I love the language of North Korea, they are so feisty!

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/23/0200000000AEN20101123012800315.HTML

SEOUL, Nov. 23 (Yonhap) -- North Korea threatened to continue "merciless" strikes on South Korea on Tuesday after the communist state launched a deadly artillery attack across their western sea border.

Don
11-23-2010, 10:46 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_inrdCvjkrHs/Sx2VkGoSgFI/AAAAAAAAA2Q/JQEmB6FILPA/s400/dr_strangelove.01.jpg

Austin
11-23-2010, 11:20 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_inrdCvjkrHs/Sx2VkGoSgFI/AAAAAAAAA2Q/JQEmB6FILPA/s400/dr_strangelove.01.jpg


Btw you and all other Europeans should be aware that cowboys haven't existed in any real form for a good hundred plus years in the U.S..

Bush drives around in a truck on his ranch and gets there via his private plane.

Smaland
11-24-2010, 12:18 AM
I don't know how much the North Koreans have lied to me in the past, but I do know how much the western media has lied to me in the past, and how they are not to be trusted when it comes down to accurate and honest reporting.

To me this is a clear set-up. The South has already admitted it fired the first shots; so is it that hard to believe that they snuck in a shell aimed at the North under cover of a seemingly harmless and routine tactical drill?

According to what I’ve read, SK was engaged in a military exercise in the area of Yeonpyeong Island. Its first shots were fired away from the NK mainland as a part of the exercise, not at NK. The first hostile rounds were fired at the island by NK.

The Western media has lied to all of us in the past, and they could be lying now. But if we respond by considering their reports with a critical eye, we should do this with all of them, not just part of them. We shouldn’t believe that all statements in SK’s favor are lies, but everything in NK’s favor is truth. If the media will lie about one thing, it will lie about anything.

The Ripper
11-24-2010, 01:19 AM
Btw you and all other Europeans should be aware that cowboys haven't existed in any real form for a good hundred plus years in the U.S..

I always took Spaghetti Westerns for commentaries on contemporary US society. :rolleyes:

Austin
11-24-2010, 01:24 AM
I always took Spaghetti Westerns for commentaries on contemporary US society. :rolleyes:
I hate dancing TV shows.

I think North Korea should go to war. It has nothing to gain from a peace process. It has everything to gain from nuking South Korea and perhaps having China come in on it's side and the U.S. backing out.

Guapo
11-24-2010, 01:34 AM
Before you die, you see the Ring.

(Or so I hear)

Sahson
11-24-2010, 01:53 AM
I hope the Western Allies stay out of this, because you can bet your life that Australians would be called up as well, just as they were back in the 1950s. They've never resolved their differences and no outside intervention will ever change it.

John Howard used an international treaty that they would help USA if any US colonies were attacked(IE Guam) in Asia to go to war with them in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I don't know what Julia Gillard would do. But she's probably sharing the same bed with them.

The Lawspeaker
11-24-2010, 03:54 AM
I must admit playing with the thought. Wouldn't it just be a great idea if we turned North Korea, Aghanistan, Pakistan and the Middle East (including Israel) into one big parking lot and just be done with it ? Hell.. get our folks out of the way and detonate a couple of neutron bombs over Wallstreet, the White House, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore, the Frankfurter Bankviertel and the City of London while we're at it.

Good riddance I say !

And if we do that on during the morning we'll be sitting in a better world at lunch.

Sol Invictus
11-24-2010, 04:08 AM
According to what I’ve read, SK was engaged in a military exercise in the area of Yeonpyeong Island. Its first shots were fired away from the NK mainland as a part of the exercise, not at NK. The first hostile rounds were fired at the island by NK.

The Western media has lied to all of us in the past, and they could be lying now. But if we respond by considering their reports with a critical eye, we should do this with all of them, not just part of them. We shouldn’t believe that all statements in SK’s favor are lies, but everything in NK’s favor is truth. If the media will lie about one thing, it will lie about anything.

In war truth is the first casualty. The western media's SOP is a mixture of truth and lies, and the truth is usually somewhere in between what they are touting as gospel, and what the perceived enemy is saying. As soon as I read that SK was conducting a weapons drill in disputed waters before NK fired, I had a gut feeling that this was a clear provocation, and SK knows better than to do donuts in the front yard of a paranoid leader with their fingers on the big red button.

The Lawspeaker
11-24-2010, 04:11 AM
Sorry VA.. but where I come from my enemy's enemy does not automatically become my friend.

Pallantides
11-24-2010, 04:17 AM
I must admit playing with the thought. Wouldn't it just be a great idea if we turned North Korea, Aghanistan, Pakistan and the Middle East (including Israel) into one big parking lot and just be done with it ? Hell.. get our folks out of the way and detonate a couple of neutron bombs over Wallstreet, the White House, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore, the Frankfurter Bankviertel and the City of London while we're at it.

Good riddance I say !

And if we do that on during the morning we'll be sitting in a better world at lunch.


We should atleast put some of the mountain tribes and peoples like the Kalash into reservations, as those people have always fascinated me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalash

Austin
11-24-2010, 04:28 AM
Just need to nuke Pyongyang with all the Kim zealots in it and have SK invade and China be payed off somehow.

Fortis in Arduis
11-24-2010, 11:40 AM
i hope it wont degenerate....last thing we need is war...

No, we want 'world peace', as they say. ;)

Turkophagos
11-24-2010, 12:01 PM
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2009/06/north-korea-poster.jpg

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/north_korea_jan_2003.jpeg

Smaland
11-26-2010, 07:43 AM
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/027306.jpg
The U.S.S. George Washington
Image: NavSource Online (www.navsource.org)


'The one country that has influence in Pyongyang is China and so their leadership is absolutely critical,' (U.S. Admiral Mike) Mullen told a U.S. television talk show.

A day after North Korea rained artillery shells at the island of Yeonpyeong, killing two civilians, a U.S. aircraft carrier group set off for Korean waters on Wednesday to take part in drills.

Full story (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL3E6MN0SQ20101124?pageNumber=1)

Smaland
12-13-2010, 06:04 PM
http://www.armybase.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/north-koreas-taepodong-2-long-range-missile-300x282.jpg
Graphic posted at www.armybase.us (http://www.armybase.us/2009/05/north-korea-accuses-us-of-plotting-war/) on 5 May 2009 (Getty Images)


North Korea has warned that US-South Korean cooperation could bring a nuclear war to the region, as the South began artillery drills amid lingering tension nearly three weeks after the North's deadly shelling of a South Korean island.

Full story (http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/4454711/North-Korea-threatens-nuclear-war)

Monolith
12-13-2010, 07:37 PM
The end is nigh. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5yyWZ2Z6Ps)

Turkophagos
12-13-2010, 08:38 PM
The end is nigh. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5yyWZ2Z6Ps)

Too good to be true.

Vasconcelos
12-13-2010, 08:46 PM
Too good to be true.
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