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Peterski

06-14-2017, 09:37 PM

This list has 72 Iron Age samples + 68 Early Medieval samples, but there will be more:

Site / ID / N / N after QC / Dating / Excavation / Storage / Sample / type

Roman Age Group:

Kowalewko KO 58 48 100AD-300AD 1990s Long deposit Tooth
Masłomecz MZ 27 24 200AD-400AD 1970-1990 Long deposit Tooth

Medieval Group:

Sowinki SI 21 19 1000AD-1100AD 1980s Long deposit Tooth
Niemcza NA 36 31 900AD-1000AD 1960s Long deposit Tooth
Markowice ME 8 8 1000AD-1200AD 2014 Arch. site Tooth
Gniezno GO 2 2 1000AD-1200AD 1980s Long deposit Tooth
Łegowo LO 9 8 1000AD-1200AD 2013-2015 Short deposit Tooth

Tschaikisten

06-14-2017, 09:41 PM

I guess there will be an G2a-L497. :whoo:

Not a Cop

06-14-2017, 10:41 PM

Any dates?

Peterski

06-23-2017, 07:50 PM

Any dates?

Some NGS full genome sequences are already published and downloadable here:

http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJNA354503

DNA samples were isolated from the teeth of human skeletons dated from 100 AD to 1,200 AD

Peterski

06-23-2017, 09:43 PM

ROMAN AGE GROUP:

Kowalewko (100AD-300AD):

For some reason they uploaded Kow1 six times:

Kow1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046795
Kow1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046791
Kow1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046792
Kow1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046796
Kow1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046794
Kow1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046793

Kow10 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046904
Kow29 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046923
Kow12 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046906
Kow15 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046909
Kow47 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046941
Kow18 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046912
Kow22 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046916
Kow27 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046921
Kow36 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046930
Kow61 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046955
Kow44 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046938
Kow55 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046949
Kow59 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046953
Kow9 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046903
Kow30 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046924
Kow8 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046902
Kow58 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046952
Kow20 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046914
Kow21 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046915
Kow19 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046913
Kow43 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046937
Kow56 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046950
Kow51 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046945
Kow11 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046905
Kow16 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046910
Kow24 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046918
Kow28 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046922
Kow41 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046935
Kow38 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046932
Kow45 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046939
Kow49 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046943
Kow32 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046926
Kow23 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046917
Kow39 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046933
Kow42 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046936
Kow52 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046946
Kow54 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046948
Kow60 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046954
Kow14 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046908
Kow26 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046920
Kow48 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046942
Kow57 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046951
Kow17 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046911
Kow33 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046927
Kow53 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046947
Kow40 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046934
Kow46 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046940
Kow37 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046931
Kow31 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046925
Kow35 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046929
Kow34 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046928
Kow13 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046907
Masłomęcz (200AD-400AD):

Mas1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046798
Mas10 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046807
Mas21 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046818
Mas18 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046815
Mas19 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046816
Mas6 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046803
Mas25 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046822
Mas23 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046820
Mas5 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046802
Mas2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046799
Mas9 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046806
Mas15 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046812
Mas7 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046804
Mas13 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046810
Mas3 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046800
Mas8 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046805
Mas14 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046811
Mas22 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046819
Mas4 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046801
Mas20 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046817
Mas16 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046813
Mas26 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046823
Mas12 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046809
Mas11 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046808

MEDIEVAL GROUP:

Niemcza (900AD-1000AD):

Niem32 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046882
Niem23 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046868
Niem26 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046871
Niem32 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046877
Niem14 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046859
Niem36 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046881
Niem31 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046876
Niem24 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046869
Niem35 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046880
Niem30 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046875
Niem17 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046862
Niem5 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046850
Niem8 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046853
Niem18 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046863
Niem16 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046861
Niem27 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046872
Niem12 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046857
Niem33 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046878
Niem28 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046873
Niem7 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046852
Niem13 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046858
Niem4 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046849
Niem19 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046864
Niem11 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046856
Niem22 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046867
Niem34 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046879
Niem15 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046860
Niem3 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046848
Niem1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046846
Niem10 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046855
Niem29 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046874
Niem9 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046854
Niem21 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046866
Niem6 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046851
Niem2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046847
Niem25 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046870
Sowinki (1000AD-1100AD):

Sow1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046825
Sow2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046826
Sow8 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046832
Sow19 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046843
Sow15 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046839
Sow18 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046842
Sow6 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046830
Sow20 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046844
Sow7 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046831
Sow17 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046841
Sow9 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046833
Sow13 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046837
Sow3 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046827
Sow14 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046838
Sow5 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046829
Sow12 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046836
Sow21 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046845
Gniezno (1000AD-1200AD):

Gnie1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046900
Gnie2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046901

Łegowo (1000AD-1200AD):

Leg8 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046898
Leg2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046892
Leg1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046891
Leg4 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046894
Leg9 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046899
Leg6 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046896
Leg3 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046893
Leg7 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046897
Leg5 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046895
Markowice (1000AD-1200AD):

Mar4 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046886
Mar6 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046888
Mar24 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046821
Mar1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046883
Mar8 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046890
Mar7 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046889
Mar5 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046887
Mar3 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046885
Mar2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046884

Peterski

06-23-2017, 09:48 PM

Only some samples from that list are downloadable.

Rethel

06-23-2017, 09:50 PM

Jedyne co z tych linków wynika, to to, że to były homosapiące typy...

Peterski

06-23-2017, 09:52 PM

Jedyne co z tych linków wynika, to to, że to były homosapiące typy...

Because these genomes need to be converted first:

https://github.com/stschiff/sequenceTools

http://www.y-str.org/p/tools-utilities.html

Karol Klačansky

06-23-2017, 09:58 PM

I've been waiting for something like this for a long time, exciting things happening 😊

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Karol Klačansky

06-23-2017, 10:07 PM

I've been waiting for something like this for a long time, exciting things happening 😊

Karol Klačansky

06-23-2017, 10:17 PM

I've been waiting for something like this for a long time

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Peterski

06-23-2017, 10:18 PM

Polako is asking for help in conversion because there is a huge number of samples.

Tschaikisten

06-23-2017, 10:24 PM

Great! Litvin, is there any list with samples and it's Y-DNA/MtDNA haplogroups? I'm currently not on my PC so I can not download it.
Thanks.

Peterski

06-24-2017, 12:13 PM

Davidski says that he will start processing these samples next week.

So probably there will be some analysis on Polishgenes / Eurogenes.

Peterski

06-24-2017, 10:36 PM

Jana

06-24-2017, 10:53 PM

will you be able to upload samples to gedmatch ?

Karol Klačansky

06-25-2017, 08:49 AM

Polako is asking for help in conversion because there is a huge number of samples.
Can you give a brief explanation of how to do it, I can't tell which link is the actual downloadable sample that needs to be converted?

Rethel

06-25-2017, 10:44 AM

Four Y-DNA haplogroups:

Iron Age Kowalewko:

Kow22 - G2a2b-CTS11324/M3419/PF3279+
Kow45 - I2a2-L35/PF3862/S150+
Kow55 - I1a2a1a1d1a1a1b1~S14669+, Y23135+, Y23136- (or I1a3a1a1~FGC9520/Y6626+)

Early Medieval Markowice:

Mar7 - I1~CTS5887/Z2792+

Wczesne osady służebne? :laugh:

Two I1 - viking theory is done :laugh:

Here is something about mts:http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110839

Peterski

06-28-2017, 12:55 PM

Analysis of Iron Age and Medieval Polish genomes:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6522-Early-Medieval-aDNA-from-Poland-coming-soon&p=252846&viewfull=1#post252846

PCA with two Iron Age and one Medieval samples:

http://i.imgur.com/Kwmjsds.png

Rethel

06-28-2017, 01:06 PM

Early Medieval Markowice:

Te czy jakieś inne? https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markowice_(wojew%C3%B3dztwo_wielkopolskie)

Peterski

06-28-2017, 01:40 PM

Niem_34 (Early Medieval Poland) and RISE568 (Early Medieval Czechia):

http://i.imgur.com/r4mVqTN.png

http://i.imgur.com/r4mVqTN.png

Te czy jakieś inne? https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markowice_(wojew%C3%B3dztwo_wielkopolskie)

Chyba te.

Karol Klačansky

06-28-2017, 01:54 PM

Niem_34 (Early Medieval Poland) and RISE568 (Early Medieval Czechia):

Can you share their actual k36 results?

Peterski

06-28-2017, 02:00 PM

Can you share their actual k36 results?

Weird, because they are actually quite different:

RISE568:

East_Central_Euro 32.41
Eastern_Euro 24.62
Central_Euro 24.42
North_Sea 16.41
Iberian 2.11

Niem_34:

Fennoscandian 32.13
Central_Euro 15.23
East_Central_Euro 14.77
North_Sea 10.54
North_Atlantic 7.64
Basque 6.71
Eastern_Euro 6.25
West_Med 5.8
South_Central_Asian 0.9
Iberian 0.01
Oceanian 0.01

Karol Klačansky

06-28-2017, 03:01 PM

Weird, because they are actually quite different:

RISE568:

East_Central_Euro 32.41
Eastern_Euro 24.62
Central_Euro 24.42
North_Sea 16.41
Iberian 2.11

Niem_34:

Fennoscandian32.13
Central_Euro15.23
East_Central_Euro14.77
North_Sea10.54
North_Atlantic7.64
Basque6.71
Eastern_Euro6.25
West_Med5.8
South_Central_Asian0.9
Iberian0.01
Oceanian0.01

Niemcza has such high fennoscandian?
Shouldn't his results look more Slavic like the Rise 568. So basically niemcza is more Baltic while Rise568 was more Slavic?

Peterski

06-28-2017, 03:09 PM

Niemcza has such high fennoscandian?
Shouldn't his results look more Slavic like the Rise 568. So basically niemcza is more Baltic while Rise568 was more Slavic?

Yes it seems so. Baltic or Baltic Finnic? Ward's Dendrogram for Niem_34 (made by Mlukas):

http://i.imgur.com/kaTX2N1.png

Niemcza people also had raher unusual skulls when compared to other Early Medieval Poles:

https://www.academia.edu/31578238/Biological_diversity_of_Early_Medieval_Slavs_popul ations_in_relations_to_populations_from_Roman_Peri od_from_Central_Europe._Nonmetrical_traits_analysi s

https://s22.postimg.org/vauc7kaf5/19-9ab907c04d.jpg

Peterski

06-28-2017, 03:25 PM

"Niemcza" indicates that it was originally inhabited by Non-Slavs.

Because its name basically means "people who can't speak Slavic":

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niemcza#Toponimia

Nazwa, nadana przez Słowian, przybyłych na Śląsk w VI wieku n.e.[2], wywodzi się prawdopodobnie od prasłowiańskiego słowa '*nemьcь' (niemy)[3], Nazywano tak ludzi niewładających językiem Słowian, obcych. Już od końca IX w. wyraz ten z pewnością odnosił się do germańskich sąsiadów plemion zachodniosłowiańskich. Najstarsze zapisy nazwy: 990, 1125, 1177 Nemci, 1018, 1155 Nemechi (...)

Karol Klačansky

06-28-2017, 04:10 PM

Yes it seems so. Baltic or Baltic Finnic?

Maybe your Mt-dna is from those people?

Seems east/central eruope was pretty genetically diverse. I wanna see some pure slav samples.

Rethel

06-28-2017, 04:13 PM

"Niemcza" indicates that it was originally inhabited by Non-Slavs.

Because its name basically means "people who can't speak Slavic":

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niemcza#Toponimia

These were probably ones of firsts Poldeutsches! (if not counted Popielova or Lestkowa... )

Ponieważ nazwa została zanotowana w zaginionym Roczniku Praskim jako nazwa istniejącego już i znanego grodu pod datą 990, jej powstanie należy łączyć z okresem władztwa wielkomorawskiego i czeskiego a więc z okresem od schyłku IX w. do r. 989. Według wzmianki z kroniki Thietmara z Merseburga nazwa grodu pochodzi od Niemców, którzy mieli gród założyć czy zbudować. Można to interpretować tak, że wzięci do niewoli przez Czechów czy Morawian Niemcy - rzemieślnicy, cieśle i in. wykonywali prace przy budowie groduj[4].Takie podania znane były dawniej w samej Niemczy

Graham

06-28-2017, 04:25 PM

Weird, because they are actually quite different:

RISE568:

East_Central_Euro 32.41
Eastern_Euro 24.62
Central_Euro 24.42
North_Sea 16.41
Iberian 2.11

Niem_34:

Fennoscandian 32.13
Central_Euro 15.23
East_Central_Euro 14.77
North_Sea 10.54
North_Atlantic 7.64
Basque 6.71
Eastern_Euro 6.25
West_Med 5.8
South_Central_Asian 0.9
Iberian 0.01
Oceanian 0.01

That is massive central euro compared to everything i have saw over years. Both actually, just one much more extreme.

Peterski

06-28-2017, 07:44 PM

K36 results of another Wielbark sample, Mas_5 from Masłomęcz:

North_Sea 42.74
Central_Euro 24.69
Eastern_Euro 14.69
French 13.58
East_Balkan 2.19
Italian 1.31
Volga-Ural 0.80

Highest North_Sea ever seen (and remember this is K36, not K15).

Maybe your Mt-dna is from those people?

According to Maciamo, W6a is typically Slavic, Baltic and Indo-Iranian.

As for ancient DNA samples, here is where W6a has been found so far:

~3500-2700 BC, Yamnaya, Lopatino II
~3260-2630 BC, Corded Ware, Plinkaigalis
~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware, Esperstedt

Lucas

06-28-2017, 07:50 PM

nMonte
Central_Dutch 69.9
North_Dutch 18.2
Pl_north 11.8
SE_England 0.0
England_Cumberland 0.0

full
Central_Dutch 59.85
North_Dutch 21.75
Pl_north 11.25
SE_England 3.05
England_Cumberland 3.05
Brahmin_Bihari 0.65
Norway 0.20
Denmark 0.15

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Central_Dutch North_Dutch SE_England England_Cumberland
37.65696 38.03068 38.33145 38.33145
Denmark German_North Norway Scotland
38.52264 39.00520 39.11943 39.59199

Lucas

06-28-2017, 07:53 PM

Admix4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Dutch @ 37,656768
2 North_Dutch @ 38,030701
3 SE_England @ 38,12457
4 England_Cumberland @ 38,12457
5 Denmark @ 38,522565
6 German_North @ 39,005066
7 Norway @ 39,119391
8 Scotland @ 39,584447
9 British_mixed @ 39,961954
10 Welsh @ 40,011399
11 Sweden @ 40,139379
12 Northern_Ireland @ 40,278987
13 NW-England @ 41,397129
14 South_Dutch @ 41,440778
15 NE-England @ 41,659557
16 Orcadian @ 41,681264
17 Ireland @ 41,758003
18 German_West @ 41,822813
19 German_East @ 42,037719
20 SW-England @ 42,310242
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch @ 37,656768
2 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch @ 37,673682
3 Central_Dutch+SE_England @ 37,769133
4 Central_Dutch+England_Cumberland @ 37,769133
5 North_Dutch+SE_England @ 37,822945
6 North_Dutch+England_Cumberland @ 37,822945
7 Central_Dutch+Denmark @ 37,954759
8 North_Dutch+North_Dutch @ 38,030701
9 SE_England+Denmark @ 38,090997
10 Denmark+England_Cumberland @ 38,090997
11 Central_Dutch+Norway @ 38,113705
12 SE_England+SE_England @ 38,12457
13 SE_England+England_Cumberland @ 38,12457
14 England_Cumberland+England_Cumberland @ 38,12457
15 SE_England+Norway @ 38,172873
16 Norway+England_Cumberland @ 38,172873
17 North_Dutch+Denmark @ 38,200351
18 German_North+Central_Dutch @ 38,244666
19 German_North+North_Dutch @ 38,27468
20 North_Dutch+Norway @ 38,399811
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch @ 37,622467
2 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% Pl_north @ 37,65479
3 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% SE_England @ 37,657317
4 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% England_Cumberland @ 37,657317
5 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% Pl_north @ 37,658092
6 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% North_Dutch @ 37,673682
7 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% SE_England @ 37,682321
8 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% England_Cumberland @ 37,682321
9 50% Central_Dutch +25% SE_England +25% Pl_north @ 37,712862
10 50% Central_Dutch +25% Pl_north +25% England_Cumberland @ 37,712862
11 50% North_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% SE_England @ 37,717744
12 50% North_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% England_Cumberland @ 37,717744
13 50% North_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% Pl_north @ 37,736892
14 50% SE_England +25% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch @ 37,753438
15 50% England_Cumberland +25% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch @ 37,753438
16 50% Central_Dutch +25% SE_England +25% SE_England @ 37,769133
17 50% Central_Dutch +25% SE_England +25% England_Cumberland @ 37,769133
18 50% Central_Dutch +25% England_Cumberland +25% England_Cumberland @ 37,769133
19 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% Denmark @ 37,771502
20 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% Denmark @ 37,794993
18966360 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Du tch @ 37,622467
2 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Pl_north @ 37,65479
3 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_ Dutch @ 37,656768
4 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England @ 37,657317
5 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+England_Cu mberland @ 37,657317
6 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Pl_north @ 37,658092
7 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutc h @ 37,673682
8 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+SE_Engla nd @ 37,682321
9 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+England_ Cumberland @ 37,682321
10 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+SE_England+Pl_north @ 37,712862
11 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Pl_north+England_Cumbe rland @ 37,712862
12 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England @ 37,717744
13 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+England_Cumb erland @ 37,717744
14 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England+Pl_north @ 37,718824
15 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Pl_north+England_Cumberl and @ 37,718824
16 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Pl_north @ 37,736892
17 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England+SE_England @ 37,753438
18 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England+England_Cumbe rland @ 37,753438
19 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+England_Cumberland+Engla nd_Cumberland @ 37,753438
20 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+SE_England+SE_England @ 37,769133
21 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+SE_England+England_Cum berland @ 37,769133
22 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+England_Cumberland+Eng land_Cumberland @ 37,769133
23 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Denmark @ 37,771502
24 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Denmark @ 37,794993
25 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+SE_England+Denmark @ 37,803211
26 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Denmark+England_Cumber land @ 37,803211
27 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England+Pl_north @ 37,810024
28 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Pl_north+England_Cumberlan d @ 37,810024
29 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch @ 37,810065
30 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Norway @ 37,81484
31 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England+SE_England @ 37,822945
32 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England+England_Cumberl and @ 37,822945
33 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+England_Cumberland+England _Cumberland @ 37,822945
34 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+SE_England+Norway @ 37,827197
35 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Norway+England_Cumberl and @ 37,827197
36 Central_Dutch+SE_England+SE_England+Pl_north @ 37,828734
37 Central_Dutch+SE_England+Pl_north+England_Cumberla nd @ 37,828734
38 Central_Dutch+Pl_north+England_Cumberland+England_ Cumberland @ 37,828734
39 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England+Denmark @ 37,835912
40 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Denmark+England_Cumberla nd @ 37,835912
540597876 iterations.

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Denmark @ 6,181107
2 Norway @ 6,223755
3 British_mixed @ 6,23977
4 Sweden @ 6,332509
5 Central_Dutch @ 6,343234
6 Scotland @ 6,344682
7 FR_Bretagne @ 6,347855
8 Sweden_north @ 6,362775
9 SE_England @ 6,404108
10 England_Cumberland @ 6,404108
11 Welsh @ 6,410632
12 German_North @ 6,468155
13 Orcadian @ 6,491308
14 SW-England @ 6,528175
15 North_Dutch @ 6,534844
16 Pl_north @ 6,542567
17 NW-England @ 6,585247
18 Northern_Ireland @ 6,592594
19 Ireland @ 6,705535
20 German_East @ 6,736969
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 SE_England+Pl_north @ 6,018077 suprisingly
2 Pl_north+England_Cumberland @ 6,018077
3 North_Dutch+Pl_north @ 6,076594
4 Denmark+Pl_north @ 6,10545
5 British_mixed+Pl_north @ 6,111047
6 Scotland+Pl_north @ 6,128457
7 Pl_north+Welsh @ 6,155176
8 SE_England+Pl_Kashubians @ 6,15541
9 Pl_Kashubians+England_Cumberland @ 6,15541
10 SE_England+PL_Wielkopolska @ 6,170843
11 PL_Wielkopolska+England_Cumberland @ 6,170843
12 Central_Dutch+Pl_north @ 6,171598
13 Denmark+Denmark @ 6,181107
14 North_Dutch+Pl_Kashubians @ 6,181728
15 British_mixed+Denmark @ 6,183337
16 Denmark+Norway @ 6,192168
17 British_mixed+Norway @ 6,194602
18 SE_England+Norway @ 6,198321
19 Norway+England_Cumberland @ 6,198321
20 North_Dutch+PL_Wielkopolska @ 6,207008
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% SE_England +25% SE_England +25% Pl_north @ 5,999317
2 50% SE_England +25% Pl_north +25% England_Cumberland @ 5,999317
3 50% England_Cumberland +25% SE_England +25% Pl_north @ 5,999317
4 50% England_Cumberland +25% Pl_north +25% England_Cumberland @ 5,999317
5 50% SE_England +25% Pl_north +25% Pl_north @ 6,018077
6 50% Pl_north +25% SE_England +25% England_Cumberland @ 6,018077
7 50% Pl_north +25% England_Cumberland +25% England_Cumberland @ 6,018077
8 50% SE_England +25% Denmark +25% Pl_north @ 6,019726
9 50% England_Cumberland +25% Denmark +25% Pl_north @ 6,019726
10 50% SE_England +25% British_mixed +25% Pl_north @ 6,022452
11 50% England_Cumberland +25% British_mixed +25% Pl_north @ 6,022452
12 50% SE_England +25% SE_England +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,031942
13 50% SE_England +25% PL_Sudovia +25% England_Cumberland @ 6,031942
14 50% England_Cumberland +25% SE_England +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,031942
15 50% England_Cumberland +25% PL_Sudovia +25% England_Cumberland @ 6,031942
16 50% SE_England +25% Scotland +25% Pl_north @ 6,034708
17 50% England_Cumberland +25% Scotland +25% Pl_north @ 6,034708
18 50% Denmark +25% SE_England +25% Pl_north @ 6,038603
19 50% Denmark +25% Pl_north +25% England_Cumberland @ 6,038603
20 50% British_mixed +25% SE_England +25% Pl_north @ 6,041131
18966360 iterations.

Rethel

06-28-2017, 08:16 PM

Tośta w końcu Giermańcy... mogę się ukryć w tłumie :p

Karol Klačansky

06-28-2017, 08:50 PM

K36 results of another Wielbark sample, Mas_5 from Masłomęcz:

North_Sea42.74
Central_Euro24.69
Eastern_Euro14.69
French13.58
East_Balkan2.19
Italian1.31
Volga-Ural0.80

Highest North_Sea ever seen (and remember this is K36, not K15).

You should put this guy in the PCA , I'm curious with that high amount of north sea where hell stand.

PunhetaDeBacalhau

06-28-2017, 09:12 PM

Lucas

06-28-2017, 09:14 PM

How many SNPs were covered? Aren't many of these low coverage samples?

Mas_5 - 14984 sNP. Of course low but not biased. In this case we have always substantial Negro admixture:)

The Illyrian Warrior

06-28-2017, 09:24 PM

Mas_5 - 14984 sNP. Of course low but not biased. In this case we have always substantial Negro admixture:)

Unsurprisingly few samples believed to be Thracians turn out 25% SSA, I just wonder how many snps were available, I assume very few because they possibly were damaged or contaminated like the samples from Poland.

PunhetaDeBacalhau

06-28-2017, 09:24 PM

Mas_5 - 14984 sNP. Of course low but not biased. In this case we have always substantial Negro admixture:)

Is the guy with a lot of North Sea the one from the culture that is supposed to have Goths? Have you guys found the Goths? :confused:

Peterski

06-28-2017, 09:39 PM

Here is what Generalissimo wrote about this "surprising" SSA admixture in ancient samples:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6522-Early-Medieval-aDNA-from-Poland-coming-soon/page57

The Sub-Saharan noise is more linked to post-mortem damage than to the lack of markers or even to low depth coverage, so samples that have not been UDG treated, for example, will show a lot of noise.

Lucas

06-28-2017, 09:43 PM

Is the guy with a lot of North Sea the one from the culture that is supposed to have Goths? Have you guys found the Goths? :confused:

MAs_5 (Maslomecz Wielbark) doesn't have any negro :) Maybe I wasn't clear.

He is Germanic!

North_Sea 42.74
Central_Euro 24.69
Eastern_Euro 14.69
French 13.58
East_Balkan 2.19
Italian 1.31
Volga-Ural 0.80

Peterski

06-28-2017, 09:47 PM

These are just "screenig" results and based on 2000 markers, so might be inaccurate.

According to Vadim and Polako. Well, we are waiting for the publication of the study.

Jana

06-28-2017, 09:49 PM

Will there be Y/mt DNA from medieval Polish samples ? Many are curious for this.

Rethel

06-28-2017, 09:54 PM

MAs_5 (Maslomecz Wielbark) doesn't have any negro :) Maybe I wasn't clear.

And they still there are...

http://media.radio.lublin.pl/images/news/219000/00000000218586001.jpg

The Illyrian Warrior

06-28-2017, 09:55 PM

These are just "screenig" results and based on 2000 markers, so might be inaccurate.

According to Vadim and Polako. Well, we are waiting for the publication of the study.

2000 markers tells you nothing, eurogene k36 takes about 165k markers to give you a thoroughly results.

When will study be publicated, I'm really interested if they will tell us more about E sample, what subclade it belong.

PunhetaDeBacalhau

06-28-2017, 09:57 PM

MAs_5 (Maslomecz Wielbark) doesn't have any negro :) Maybe I wasn't clear.

He is Germanic!

North_Sea 42.74
Central_Euro 24.69
Eastern_Euro 14.69
French 13.58
East_Balkan 2.19
Italian 1.31
Volga-Ural 0.80

Yeah he's not just Germanic, he's uber-Germanic - 42.74 North Sea and 25 Central Euro, he's not playing around :P From my knowledge, no population today is close to them. Have you guys uncovered the other samples from that culture? Are they all alike?

Lucas

06-28-2017, 10:42 PM

Will there be Y/mt DNA from medieval Polish samples ? Many are curious for this.

Try to figure out from this:)

Niemcza_18 snps Y-DNA

PF432-, PF435-, Z16963-, PF2911-, S26895-, Z5965-, S5674-, Z2947-, Z16329-, S14469-, YSC0000139-, YSC0000140-, S14590-, YSC0000147-, YSC0000148-, YSC0000149-, PF1619-, Z14873-, PF7426-, PF633-, CTS1548-, CTS1549-, CTS1660-, M4477-, CTS1677-, CTS1730-, CTS2305-, Z6239-, Z2047-, S15798-, S7821-, ZS276-, CTS2520-, Z1599-, Z6363-, M9112+, M10644-, S6813-, PF7025-, CTS3503-, S27776-, YSC0000697-, M11278-, S16785-, CTS3796-, S4893-, Z2081-, S6842-, M9808-, PF718-, PF3479-, CTS4072-, PR5521-, L1125+, M319-, M215-, Page40-, PF1942-, CTS4198-, S17221-, CTS4436-, FGC7967-, Y2989-, PR1963-, PR5640-, PR1964-, CTS4759-, CTS4816-, CTS4914-, Z28866-, CTS4991-, PF4251-, CTS5014-, M1368-, CTS5109-, CTS5110-, Z1890-, S17823-, YSC0000774-, PR5707-, PR5708-, PR5709-, S18007-, Z12458-, CTS5532+, M5694+, S18173-, M7490-, PR2128-, CTS5758-, CTS5759-, CTS5841-, M2046-, CTS6112-, CTS6202-, CTS6228-, CTS6280-, S18805-, CTS6401-, F2309-, PR5980-, PR2298-, M6203-, S19013-, S19028-, M3712+, PF2699+, S27357-, S2360-, S5877-, CTS7145-, PF7084-, CTS7190-, CTS7266-, S1533-, S19741-, Z6400-, A185-, Z3744-, M4522-, PF2445-, CTS7761-, S20288-, CTS8172-, FGC1849-, Y2139-, CTS8234-, S4415-, PR2697-, PR2698-, CTS8435-, YSC0000924-, CTS8653-, Z6002-, M4406-, F3978-, CTS8707-, CTS8909-, M6-, F691-, F2898-, M7157-, Z3407-, CTS9842-, M8456-, Z12931-, M4638-, M4639-, CTS10026-, M3575-, PF3037-, PF7288-, PR3097-, PR3098-, Z117-, PR3099-, PR6451-, M8460-, S22288-, M10166-, M7035-, F3125-, M7358-, YSC0000215-, YSC0000216-, S22673-, F3157-, YSC0001046-, S22929-, PF5046-, Z3639-, PF4051-, M6286-, M10566-, M6003-, PR6608-, K364-, PR6654-, M5786+, PF1061+, Z2852-, M14-, PR3457-, PR6770-, PR6771-, M282-, M112-, L290-, M7067-, M5320-, Z1200-, PF2189-, FGC11555-, S24360-, Z15050-, PF2084-, F3321-, M8170-, M3049-, PR3775-, L1403-, M7167-, CTS10852-, PF1219-, CTS11115-, M5554-, PF1879-, S5697-, CTS11652-, M8490-, M4415-, M11841+, M8518-, F3443-, Z12272-, Z563-, M6826-, PF2252-, F704-, PF7220-, S8269-, CTS12078-, CTS12638-, M4955-, M6837-, L1164-, S27766-, S27769+, Z900-, S3131-, S3136-, M8061-, CTS368-, S9511-, L656-, L831-, L950-, L337-, M5387-, PF1509-, L368-, Z5866-, M952-, CTS673-, CTS839-, CTS871-, M4726-, Z585-, Z6149-, CTS1130-, Z16017-, CTS1241-, S3562-, M11071-, M10615-, Z13889-, CTS1361-, CTS1373-, PF2106-, BY144-, FGC17829-, S27834-, Z4523-, Z1300-, S10681-, S10714-, S10715-, PF5708-, PR4798-, PR4799-, PR4800-, PR4801-, YSC0000478-, M7242-, Z5892-, M4547-, F113-, M6368-, F1150-, Z14017-, F1224-, PF7563-, Z13494-, F1389-, M10629-, M1811-, M9643-, M7260-, M6601-, Z11980+

Lucas

06-28-2017, 10:44 PM

Screening results bla bla bla:)

Why there are deviating strongly in Germanic direction?

Polish early medieval Niemcza_18

K36

East_Central_Euro 27.22
Fennoscandian 11.50
North_Sea 61.28

K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.07
2 Baltic 37.2
3 West_Asian 12.73
4 West_Med 7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 9.25
2 Swedish 10.12
3 North_German 11.69
4 Norwegian 12.47
5 East_German 12.49
6 Southwest_Finnish 12.74
7 Danish 13.54
8 North_Dutch 13.73
9 Austrian 13.75
10 South_Polish 14.36
11 Polish 15.38
12 Hungarian 15.39
13 Orcadian 16.05
14 Irish 16.05
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.56
16 Finnish 16.78
17 Ukrainian 17
18 West_Scottish 17.13
19 West_German 17.37
20 Southeast_English 17.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62% Norwegian + 38% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.56
2 69.4% Swedish + 30.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.67
3 87.5% North_Swedish + 12.5% Tabassaran @ 6.76
4 88.3% North_Swedish + 11.7% Lezgin @ 6.9
5 88.3% North_Swedish + 11.7% Chechen @ 6.94
6 61.6% Norwegian + 38.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 7.08
7 69.3% Norwegian + 30.7% Erzya @ 7.11
8 69.6% Swedish + 30.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 7.15
9 76.4% Swedish + 23.6% Erzya @ 7.15
10 65.7% Norwegian + 34.3% Lithuanian @ 7.19

Lucas

06-28-2017, 10:48 PM

MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Steppe 46.19
2 NorthEastEuropean 25.08
3 Neolithic 20.57
4 Australian 6.41
5 NorthAfrican 1.75

Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Scottish @ 26.696640
2 Orcadian @ 27.003283
3 Icelandic @ 27.353228
4 Norwegian @ 28.094990
5 English @ 29.020193
6 Irish @ 29.402094
7 Irish @ 29.751617
8 English @ 29.842907
9 Finn @ 29.861221
10 Irish @ 29.924801
11 Irish @ 30.360128
12 Irish @ 30.384768
13 Scottish @ 30.563187
14 Shetlandic @ 30.585062
15 Finn @ 30.607479
16 Scottish @ 31.031134
17 English @ 31.037632
18 Swede @ 31.091612
19 Finn @ 31.255295
20 Irish @ 31.405285

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish +50% Scottish @ 26.696640

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% Orcadian +25% Tubalar @ 24.852737

Lucas

06-29-2017, 12:56 AM

UHU! Kowalewsko_22 - gedmatch: M070872
has modern (for NW-Euro) North Sea level, but highly elevatede North Atlantic...

https://s10.postimg.org/bce5r2wq1/goto.jpg

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.34
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 9.81
Fennoscandian 18.56
French 8.09
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 39.88
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 22.31
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Admix4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch @ 27,655925
2 Norway @ 28,813228
3 Orcadian @ 29,614338
4 Welsh @ 29,645478
5 SW-England @ 29,867943
6 Denmark @ 29,890969
7 Sweden_north @ 30,074334
8 Scotland @ 30,099546
9 Ireland @ 30,230072
10 Sweden @ 30,349433
11 Central_Dutch @ 30,792834
12 NW-England @ 30,931512
13 Northern_Ireland @ 31,012275
14 British_mixed @ 31,218749
15 South_Dutch @ 31,879945
16 Norway_north @ 31,976506
17 NE-England @ 32,224747
18 German_North @ 32,531671
19 SE_England @ 33,587724
20 England_Cumberland @ 33,587724
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch+North_Dutch @ 27,655925
2 North_Dutch+Norway @ 27,995378
3 North_Dutch+Sweden_north @ 28,032919
4 Sweden_north+SW-England @ 28,043059
5 North_Dutch+SW-England @ 28,160275
6 North_Dutch+Orcadian @ 28,244851
7 Norway_north+SW-England @ 28,247294
8 Sweden_north+Welsh @ 28,253404
9 North_Dutch+Norway_north @ 28,283082
10 Norway_north+Welsh @ 28,297895
11 North_Dutch+Welsh @ 28,304312
12 Ireland+Sweden_north @ 28,380195
13 Orcadian+Sweden_north @ 28,380271
14 Ireland+Norway_north @ 28,403916
15 North_Dutch+Ireland @ 28,406594
16 Orcadian+Norway_north @ 28,44374
17 Scotland+Sweden_north @ 28,520259
18 Norway+SW-England @ 28,564948
19 North_Dutch+Scotland @ 28,576284
20 Scotland+Norway_north @ 28,584733
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Norway_north +25% SW-England @ 27,506735
2 50% North_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% Norway_north @ 27,549161
3 50% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north +25% SW-England @ 27,594495
4 50% North_Dutch +25% Norway_north +25% Welsh @ 27,62349
5 50% North_Dutch +25% Ireland +25% Norway_north @ 27,623993
6 50% North_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north @ 27,625062
7 50% North_Dutch +25% Orcadian +25% Norway_north @ 27,63468
8 50% North_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% SW-England @ 27,749917
9 50% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north +25% Welsh @ 27,751361
10 50% North_Dutch +25% Ireland +25% Sweden_north @ 27,757126
11 50% North_Dutch +25% Orcadian +25% Sweden_north @ 27,757588
12 50% North_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% Norway @ 27,764175
13 50% North_Dutch +25% Scotland +25% Norway_north @ 27,775532
14 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Norway_north @ 27,785251
15 50% North_Dutch +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Norway_north @ 27,842575
16 50% North_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% Orcadian @ 27,848185
17 50% North_Dutch +25% Norway +25% SW-England @ 27,876033
18 50% Sweden_north +25% North_Dutch +25% SW-England @ 27,879403
19 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north @ 27,883755
20 50% Welsh +25% North_Dutch +25% Norway_north @ 27,883997
18966360 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Norway_north+SW-England @ 27,506735
2 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Norway_north @ 27,549161
3 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Sweden_north+SW-England @ 27,594495
4 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Norway_north+Welsh @ 27,62349
5 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Ireland+Norway_north @ 27,623993
6 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Sweden_north @ 27,625062
7 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Orcadian+Norway_north @ 27,63468
8 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch @ 27,655925
9 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+SW-England @ 27,749917
10 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Welsh @ 27,751361
11 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Ireland+Sweden_north @ 27,757126
12 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Orcadian+Sweden_north @ 27,757588
13 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Norway @ 27,764175
14 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Scotland+Norway_north @ 27,775532
15 North_Dutch+Norway_north+SW-England+SW-England @ 27,785251
16 North_Dutch+Norway_north+SW-England+Welsh @ 27,792914
17 North_Dutch+Orcadian+Norway_north+SW-England @ 27,822129
18 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Norway_no rth @ 27,842575
19 North_Dutch+Ireland+Norway_north+SW-England @ 27,846906
20 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Orcadian @ 27,848185
21 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Norway+SW-England @ 27,876033
22 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Sweden_north+SW-England @ 27,879403
23 North_Dutch+Norway+Norway_north+SW-England @ 27,879605
24 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+SW-England+SW-England @ 27,883755
25 North_Dutch+Norway_north+Welsh+Welsh @ 27,883997
26 North_Dutch+Orcadian+Norway_north+Welsh @ 27,888388
27 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Ireland @ 27,888843
28 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Welsh @ 27,889292
29 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Scotland+Sweden_north @ 27,897483
30 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Norway+Norway_north @ 27,903264
31 North_Dutch+Norway+Sweden_north+SW-England @ 27,918279
32 North_Dutch+Ireland+Norway_north+Welsh @ 27,922621
33 North_Dutch+Orcadian+Orcadian+Norway_north @ 27,928011
34 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Norway_north+SW-England @ 27,929837
35 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Norway+Sweden_north @ 27,930308
36 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+SW-England+Welsh @ 27,93161
37 North_Dutch+Ireland+Orcadian+Norway_north @ 27,94285
38 North_Dutch+Scotland+Norway_north+SW-England @ 27,950983
39 North_Dutch+Orcadian+Sweden_north+SW-England @ 27,955804
40 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Sweden_no rth @ 27,972196
540597876 iterations.

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 4,863416
2 SW-England @ 4,86513
3 Scotland @ 4,969022
4 NW-England @ 4,995873
5 North_Dutch @ 5,005213
6 British_mixed @ 5,027676
7 Welsh @ 5,030933
8 Sweden_north @ 5,118627
9 Denmark @ 5,174775
10 Norway @ 5,196041
11 Sweden @ 5,269963
12 Ireland @ 5,291797
13 Northern_Ireland @ 5,395219
14 Central_Dutch @ 5,422677
15 NE-England @ 5,444777
16 Norway_north @ 5,489736
17 SE_England @ 5,491249
18 England_Cumberland @ 5,491249
19 German_North @ 5,674797
20 South_Dutch @ 5,79018
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Sweden_north+SW-England @ 4,85129
2 Orcadian+Orcadian @ 4,863416
3 SW-England+SW-England @ 4,86513
4 Orcadian+Sweden_north @ 4,870419
5 Orcadian+SW-England @ 4,873796
6 North_Dutch+Orcadian @ 4,909283
7 Orcadian+Scotland @ 4,919077
8 Scotland+Sweden_north @ 4,920081
9 Orcadian+NW-England @ 4,922193
10 North_Dutch+SW-England @ 4,922883
11 Sweden_north+Welsh @ 4,923406
12 Scotland+SW-England @ 4,930287
13 NW-England+SW-England @ 4,937784
14 Orcadian+British_mixed @ 4,943086
15 Orcadian+Welsh @ 4,948505
16 Sweden_north+NW-England @ 4,948792
17 British_mixed+SW-England @ 4,957577
18 British_mixed+Sweden_north @ 4,957731
19 North_Dutch+Scotland @ 4,965123
20 Scotland+Scotland @ 4,969022
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% SW-England +25% Sweden_north +25% SW-England @ 4,808165
2 50% SW-England +25% Orcadian +25% Sweden_north @ 4,81638
3 50% Orcadian +25% Sweden_north +25% SW-England @ 4,821272
4 50% Orcadian +25% Orcadian +25% Sweden_north @ 4,8226
5 50% SW-England +25% Scotland +25% Sweden_north @ 4,842751
6 50% Orcadian +25% Scotland +25% Sweden_north @ 4,848789
7 50% Sweden_north +25% SW-England +25% SW-England @ 4,85129
8 50% SW-England +25% Sweden_north +25% NW-England @ 4,851621
9 50% Orcadian +25% Sweden_north +25% NW-England @ 4,856679
10 50% Orcadian +25% Sweden_north +25% Welsh @ 4,85675
11 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north @ 4,857031
12 50% SW-England +25% British_mixed +25% Sweden_north @ 4,857958
13 50% SW-England +25% Sweden_north +25% Welsh @ 4,858661
14 50% Sweden_north +25% Orcadian +25% SW-England @ 4,862326
15 50% Orcadian +25% British_mixed +25% Sweden_north @ 4,862857
16 50% Orcadian +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north @ 4,863774
17 50% Orcadian +25% Sweden_north +25% Sweden_north @ 4,870419
18 50% Orcadian +25% Orcadian +25% SW-England @ 4,87123
19 50% Scotland +25% Sweden_north +25% SW-England @ 4,871641

nMonte

restricted

North_Dutch 73.7
Norway_north 17.1
SW-England 9.3

full

North_Dutch 62.05
Norway_north 16.50
SW-England 14.90
Sweden_north 2.30
Orcadian 1.55
Welsh 1.30
Saami_NO 0.75
Ireland 0.50
Finnish_East 0.10
Norway 0.05

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
North_Dutch Norway Orcadian Welsh Denmark SW-England
27.65194 28.80966 29.55972 29.63288 29.88754 29.97192
Sweden_north Ireland
30.07082 30.24847

Pahli

06-29-2017, 01:01 AM

UHU! Kowalewsko_22 - gedmatch: M070872

Lol is it broken or did you upload the wrong gedmatch number? The calculators I put it in gives out like 80 - 85% NE_European or similar which is kinda extreme.

MDLP World 22:

Kit M070872

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 73.49
2 North-European-Mesolithic 15.61
3 East-South-Asian 7.24
4 Indo-Iranian 1.84
5 Mesoamerican 1.82

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Estonian (derived) 15.16
2 Vepsa (derived) 15.56
3 Russian_North (derived) 16.85
4 Latvian (derived) 17.2
5 Moldavian (derived) 17.71

PuntDNAL K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 82.23
2 SW_Europe 16.68
3 Siberia 1.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Finnish 14.26
2 Latvian 14.54
3 Lithuanian 15.13
4 Estonian 16.64
5 Polish 20.09

Lucas

06-29-2017, 01:18 AM

Lol is it broken or did you upload the wrong gedmatch number? The calculators I put it in gives out like 80 - 85% NE_European or similar which is kinda extreme.

MDLP World 22:

It's ok. But K36 was chosen by Vadim Verenich who originally uploaded .bam files:)

He is creator of MDLP but in this case likes K36. So do I. Other calcs gives rather biased results. Like this one MDLP-22.

Peterski

06-29-2017, 01:34 AM

My new K36 nMonte results with Kow22 added:

BA_Sudovia_RISE598 22.40
BA_Hungary_BR2 21.00
IA_Hungary_IR1 19.35
MA_Slavic_RISE568 11.00
BA_Cuiavia_PLN17 10.50
MA_Slavic_Niem34 10.00
IA_Wielbark_Kow55 5.40
IA_Wielbark_Kow22 0.35
IA_Sarmatian_I0575 0.00
IA_Gladiator_3DRIF26 0.00
IA_British_6DRIF18 0.00
IA_British_6DRIF23 0.00
IA_Gladiator_6DRIF22 0.00
IA_CelticBriton_HI1 0.00
IA_CelticBriton_HI4 0.00
IA_Wielbark_Kow25 0.00
IA_Wielbark_Mas5 0.00
MA_AngloSaxon_HS3 0.00
HG_Ethiopia_Mota 0.00
HG_Australia_Abo 0.00
BB_Czechia_RISE566 0.00
BA_Silesia_RISE150 0.00
BA_Silesia_RISE154 0.00
BA_Czechia_RISE577 0.00
BA_Czechia_RISE586 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0803 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0099 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0047 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0116 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0164 0.00
BA_Hungary_BR1 0.00
BA_Hungary_RISE373 0.00
BA_Hungary_RISE374 0.00
BA_Denmark_RISE276 0.00
BA_Armenia_RISE397 0.00
BA_Armenia_RISE412 0.00
IA_Scythian_I0247 0.00
IA_Sweden_RISE174 0.00
MA_Iran_I1955 0.00

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
BA_Cuiavia_PLN17 BA_Hungary_BR1 IA_Wielbark_Kow55
16.19202 17.58834 21.94205
BA_Denmark_RISE276 BA_Hungary_BR2 BA_EastGermany_I0116
21.99232 23.60180 23.68750
IA_Sweden_RISE174 IA_Hungary_IR1
24.22627 25.08156

http://i.imgur.com/pEiX64D.png

Peterski

06-29-2017, 08:49 AM

Kowalewko_45 looks autosomally "Eastern" (similar to modern Western Ukrainians and Northern Poles):

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6522-Early-Medieval-aDNA-from-Poland-coming-soon&p=253369&viewfull=1#post253369

So we have autosomally Germano-Celtic and Balto-Slavo-Iranic results in the same cemetery / settlement.

One sample also looks like a 50/50 mix of those two groups.

==============

Some images from Kowalewko cemetery:

http://www.muzarp.poznan.pl/zewnetrzne/arena/kowalewko/kowalewko.html

Lucas

06-29-2017, 10:51 AM

Kowalewko_45 according to Verenich is: Sarmatian plausibly.

Sarmatian in Western Poland!

Rethel

06-29-2017, 12:17 PM

Kowalewko_45 according to Verenich is: Sarmatian plausibly.

Sarmatian in Western Poland!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcpwwSRx24

Peterski

06-29-2017, 12:22 PM

Sarmatism confirmed!

Rethel

06-29-2017, 12:23 PM

Sarmatism confirmed!

Mów mi Sarmato :laugh:

Sarmatians => Lęchites => Polanes???

Lucas

06-29-2017, 05:14 PM

Mar_7. At least first Slav without much doubts here.
I1~CTS5887/Z2792+

WestMed frequency probably biased. But it doesn't change results much.

K36

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.00
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 23.43
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 31.46
Fennoscandian 0.06
French 18.70
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.66
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.27
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 8.38

oracle-spreadsheet

First 20 Populations distance
1 Ukrainian_North_East 80,70
2 Ukrainian_Central 85,77
3 Ukrainian_Poltava 87,88
4 Slovak 89,92
5 Russian_Kursk 91,59
6 PL_South_Poland 96,22
7 PL_Upper_Silesia 96,22
8 Russian_Oryol 96,53
9 Russian_Center 97,34
10 Carpathian_Rusyns 97,39
11 Ukrainian_West 97,68
12 PL_average 98,66
13 Russian_Smolensk 99,14
14 Ukrainian_Chernigov 100,77
15 PL_Mazovia 101,02

nMonte

restricted
Ukrainian_North_East 87
IT_Sardinia 13
Russian_Kursk 0
Ukrainian_Central 0
Moksha 0
Russian_Pskov 0

full
Ukrainian_North_East 60.85
IT_Sardinia 13.95
Moksha 11.40
Russian_Kursk 6.20
Ukrainian_Central 4.90
Russian_Pskov 1.05
Ukrainian_Poltava 0.75
Bulgaria 0.25
Erzya 0.25
Serbian 0.15
Russian_Center 0.10
Russian_Smolensk 0.10
Slovak 0.05

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Ukrainian_North_East Ukrainian_Central Ukrainian_Poltava
28.40781 29.28682 29.64486
Slovak Russian_Kursk PL_South_Poland
29.98624 30.26425 31.01948
PL_Upper_Silesia Russian_Oryol
31.01975 31.07004

Admix4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,459469
2 Ukrainian_Central @ 29,339293
3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 29,697336
4 Slovak @ 30,038609
5 Russian_Kursk @ 30,319436
6 PL_South_Poland @ 31,071054
7 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 31,072267
8 Russian_Oryol @ 31,124764
9 Russian_Center @ 31,254703
10 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 31,257305
11 Ukrainian_West @ 31,309697
12 PL_average @ 31,462178
13 Russian_Smolensk @ 31,538691
14 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 31,797107
15 PL_Mazovia @ 31,833941
16 Moksha @ 32,031611
17 Moldavian @ 32,036561
18 Belarusian_East @ 32,080014
19 Russian_Tambov @ 32,112993
20 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 32,343811
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,459469
2 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,841808
3 Slovak+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,917943
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 28,965726
5 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,250329
6 Serbian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,321054
7 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 29,339293
8 Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,448796
9 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,466548
10 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 29,486067
11 Croatian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,500402
12 Slovak+Ukrainian_Central @ 29,511642
13 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,517055
14 PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,524795
15 West_Serbian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,560489
16 Slovak+Russian_Kursk @ 29,626743
17 Ukrainian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,632265
18 Moldavian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,635172
19 Serbian+Russian_Pskov @ 29,656256
20 Romania_SE+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,679025
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Bulgaria +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,28299
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% IT_Sardinia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,313821
3 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Serbian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,332145
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% IT_Sardinia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 28,398127
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% South_Romania +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,398844
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Albania_Montenegro +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,421643
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Montenegro +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,42956
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% IT_Sardinia +25% Russian_Kursk @ 28,465179
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Romania_SE +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,475643
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Bosnian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,475938
11 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Macedonia_FYROM +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,501689
12 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% IT_Sardinia +25% Moksha @ 28,518899
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Gr_Eubea +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,533272
14 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% West_Serbian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,547913
15 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Bulgaria +25% Russian_Kursk @ 28,565801
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,566788
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Bulgaria +25% Moksha @ 28,569706
18 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Serbian +25% Moksha @ 28,578856
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Kosovo +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,59089
20 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,602864
18966360 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgaria+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,28299
2 IT_Sardinia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_E ast+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,313821
3 Serbian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+ Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,332145
4 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukr ainian_North_East @ 28,398127
5 South_Romania+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North _East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,398844
6 Albania_Montenegro+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_ North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,421643
7 Montenegro+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_Ea st+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,42956
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainia n_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,459469
9 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukr ainian_North_East @ 28,465179
10 Romania_SE+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_Ea st+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,475643
11 Bosnian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+ Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,475938
12 Macedonia_FYROM+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Nor th_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,501689
13 IT_Sardinia+Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_ North_East @ 28,518899
14 Gr_Eubea+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,533272
15 West_Serbian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_ East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,547913
16 Bulgaria+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrain ian_North_East @ 28,565801
17 Swiss_Italian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North _East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,566788
18 Bulgaria+Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Nor th_East @ 28,569706
19 Serbian+Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Nort h_East @ 28,578856
20 Kosovo+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+U krainian_North_East @ 28,59089
21 Slovak+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+U krainian_North_East @ 28,602864
22 Bulgaria+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Uk rainian_North_East @ 28,610697
23 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraini an_North_East @ 28,623485
24 Croatian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,627597
25 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_ North_East @ 28,629755
26 Bulgaria+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrain ian_North_East @ 28,631981
27 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_N orth_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,635925
28 Serbian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukr ainian_North_East @ 28,641482
29 IT_Sardinia+Moksha+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_E ast @ 28,650999
30 IT_Sardinia+Latvian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian _North_East @ 28,655533
31 Albania_Montenegro+Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukr ainian_North_East @ 28,656925
32 IT_Tuscany+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_Ea st+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,65738
33 Albania_Montenegro+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_E ast+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,662756
34 Moksha+Montenegro+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_N orth_East @ 28,682945
35 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainia n_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 28,683558
36 IT_Sardinia+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,686871
37 Albania_Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_E ast+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,687653
38 Bulgaria+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_Poltava @ 28,688643
39 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_ North_East @ 28,694406
40 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_ North_East @ 28,694457
540597876 iterations.

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovak @ 6,725254
2 Austria @ 6,858821
3 Czechs_Moravians @ 6,938283
4 Slovenian @ 7,019197
5 Ukrainian_West @ 7,085939
6 Croatian @ 7,155005
7 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 7,249587
8 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 7,262995
9 German_East @ 7,276328
10 Hungary @ 7,381625
11 West_Serbian @ 7,386223
12 Romania_NW @ 7,420296
13 Serbian @ 7,420402
14 Montenegro @ 7,531517
15 Bosnian @ 7,538772
16 PL_South_Poland @ 7,683759
17 Romania_SE @ 7,777678
18 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 7,883126
19 Macedonia_FYROM @ 7,895253
20 South_Romania @ 8,016415
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Pskov @ 6,247863
2 France_Central+Russian_Pskov @ 6,314634
3 Swiss_Italian+Latvian @ 6,319281
4 France_Central+Latvian @ 6,370342
5 Swiss_Italian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,435817
6 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Kursk @ 6,466648
7 France_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,486163
8 Spain_Baleares+Russian_Pskov @ 6,494815
9 Austria_Tyrol+Russian_Pskov @ 6,498486
10 Swiss_Italian+PL_Mazovia @ 6,498604
11 France+Russian_Pskov @ 6,507121
12 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,513487
13 France_South+Russian_Pskov @ 6,520684
14 France_Central+Russian_Kursk @ 6,559061
15 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Center @ 6,561592
16 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian @ 6,564071
17 France_Central+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,565838
18 Austria_Tyrol+Latvian @ 6,583971
19 Spain_Valencia+Russian_Pskov @ 6,584093
20 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,584781
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,247863
2 50% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,276589
3 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,277087
4 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 6,284221
5 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Austria @ 6,288985
6 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Slovak @ 6,295705
7 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,30173
8 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,302908
9 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 6,307407
10 50% Russian_Pskov +25% IT_Sardinia +25% SE_England @ 6,310865
11 50% Russian_Pskov +25% IT_Sardinia +25% England_Cumberland @ 6,310865
12 50% France_Central +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,314634
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,318722
14 50% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian +25% Latvian @ 6,319281
15 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% France_Central @ 6,320374
16 50% PL_Upper_Silesia +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,328505
17 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_West @ 6,328816
18 50% France_Central +25% Latvian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,336579
19 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_average @ 6,337722
20 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swis

Rethel

06-29-2017, 05:44 PM

Pygmy 0.27

:laugh:

Peterski

06-29-2017, 06:36 PM

My K36 nMonte after adding Mar7:

1) With Bronze Age samples:

BA_Cuiavia_PLN17 22.05
LBA_Sudovia_RISE598 16.50
BA_Hungary_BR2 12.45
MA_Slavic_Niem34 10.75
IA_Wielbark_Kow55 10.30
MA_Slavic_Mar7 10.00
IA_Hungary_IR1 8.15
MA_Slavic_RISE568 8.05
BA_Hungary_RISE374 1.40
IA_Wielbark_Mas5 0.35
IA_Sarmatian_I0575 0.00
IA_Gladiator_3DRIF26 0.00
IA_British_6DRIF18 0.00
IA_British_6DRIF23 0.00
IA_Gladiator_6DRIF22 0.00
IA_CelticBriton_HI1 0.00
IA_CelticBriton_HI4 0.00
IA_Wielbark_Kow25 0.00
IA_Wielbark_Kow22 0.00
IA_Wielbark_Kow45 0.00
MA_AngloSaxon_HS3 0.00
HG_Ethiopia_Mota 0.00
HG_Australia_Abo 0.00
BB_Czechia_RISE566 0.00
BA_Silesia_RISE150 0.00
BA_Silesia_RISE154 0.00
BA_Czechia_RISE577 0.00
BA_Czechia_RISE586 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0803 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0099 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0047 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0116 0.00
BA_EastGermany_I0164 0.00
BA_Hungary_BR1 0.00
BA_Hungary_RISE373 0.00
BA_Denmark_RISE276 0.00
BA_Armenia_RISE397 0.00
BA_Armenia_RISE412 0.00
IA_Scythian_I0247 0.00
IA_Sweden_RISE174 0.00
MA_Iran_I1955 0.00

2) Without Bronze Age samples:

LBA_Sudovia_RISE598 26.35
IA_Hungary_IR1 23.55
IA_Wielbark_Kow55 19.65
MA_Slavic_Niem34 14.95
MA_Slavic_Mar7 11.65
IA_Gladiator_6DRIF22 2.00
IA_Wielbark_Mas5 1.85
IA_Sarmatian_I0575 0.00
IA_Gladiator_3DRIF26 0.00
IA_British_6DRIF18 0.00
IA_British_6DRIF23 0.00
IA_CelticBriton_HI1 0.00
IA_CelticBriton_HI4 0.00
IA_Wielbark_Kow25 0.00
IA_Wielbark_Kow45 0.00
IA_Wielbark_Kow22 0.00
MA_AngloSaxon_HS3 0.00
HG_Ethiopia_Mota 0.00
HG_Australia_Abo 0.00
BA_Armenia_RISE397 0.00
BA_Armenia_RISE412 0.00
IA_Scythian_I0247 0.00
IA_Sweden_RISE174 0.00
MA_Iran_I1955 0.00
MA_Slavic_RISE568 0.00

Maybe I will add some Iberian samples.

Rethel

06-29-2017, 06:40 PM

Kij, lupa i kamieni kupa...
Everyone was burned, exept Normans, Moravians, Magyars and Shvabs...

Here is also presented the theory about
non-pagan Myeshko - very interesting... very.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPk2oGJvTUE&t=396s

Peterski

06-29-2017, 06:41 PM

RISE598 (Late Bronze Age Sudovia) is dated to 908-585 BC.

Here is the cultural situation in Eastern Europe at that time:

https://s14.postimg.org/i4ymfgafl/Eastern_and_Central_Europe_around_750_BC.png

https://s14.postimg.org/i4ymfgafl/Eastern_and_Central_Europe_around_750_BC.png

Pahli

06-29-2017, 06:43 PM

Dick

06-29-2017, 08:27 PM

Will there be Y/mt DNA from medieval Polish samples ? Many are curious for this.

I only saw ydnas. Two I1, one I2 and one G2a.

Lucas

06-30-2017, 07:49 AM

mtDNA

Kowalewko_55 U5b2a1a
Kowalewko_49 U3
Kowalewko_23 U3a
Kowalewko_57 U4
Kowalewko_45 H1e1a
Kowalewko_28 H5a
Kowalewko_22 H1a
Kowalewko_26 K
Kowalewko_29 K
Kowalewko_51 T2b6

Maslomecz_5 H16

Niemcza_34 HV0a
Niemcza_13 J1c3e1 lub J1b1a1
Niemcza_18 L3
Niemcza_19 K2c
Niemcza_32 T2

Markowice_7 Haplogroup J1c

Rethel

06-30-2017, 09:25 AM

Lucas

06-30-2017, 09:37 AM

Ok:) I'm not specialist. I only checked Eupedia...

K - particularly common in Northwest Europe

H16: found primarily in Germanic countries and Poland, but also in India / found in the Neolithic Rössen culutre in Germany
H5a: found in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture
H1e: found throughout Europe, including among the Basques, and in Iran (Qashqai) / found in Neolithic Germany
H1a: found throughout Europe

HV0 - The highest percentages of haplogroup HV in Europe are observed in Calabria (10%), Sicily (5%), Tuscany (5%), Sardinia (4.5%), Bulgaria (4%), southern Belarus (4%), Croatia (3.5%), Ukraine (3.5%), Iceland (3.5%), Greece (3%), Cyprus (2.5%), and Romania (2.5%).

U5b2a: found in Epipaleolithic France and Neolithic Germany
U3 - rare in Europe, primarily a Near Eastern and Caucasian lineage
U4 - Generally speaking, U4 is more common in Baltic and Slavic countries and around the Caucasus than anywhere else.

T2- Haplogroup T2 peaks among the Udmurts (24%) and the Chechen-Ingush of Daghestan (12.5%). After that T2 is most frequently encountered in the Netherlands (12%), Sardinia (10%), Iceland (10%), Switzerland (9.5%), Hungary (8.5%) and Ukraine (8.5%), as well as among many ethnic groups around the Caucasus such as the Kumyks (10%), Azeri (9.5%) and Georgians (9%).
T2b - found at high frequencies throughout Europe (especially around the Alps) and at lower frequencies in North Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East

J1c3e : found in central and north-eastern Europe
J1b1a1 : found in western Europe

For me it's legit. Some Western, some Central-Eastern mostly, or pan-European. One Caucasus outlier.

Lucas

06-30-2017, 11:45 AM

Kow_55 is I1
possible mtdna U5b2a1a

Kow_22 - G-P303
possible mtdna H1a

Kow_57 - G-L30
possible mtdna U4

Mar_7 - I1, probably I-Y3603
possible mtdna J1c

Kow_45 - I2, I2: Z2631/PF3623+ Z2673/CTS12003/PF3846+,I-M436: L35/S150/PF3862+ S5818/FGC3530+I-L801: S12350/FGC3570+
possible mtdna H1e1a

Rethel

06-30-2017, 11:51 AM

To całe Kowalewko to jest ewidentnie
jakaś staroeuropejska enklawa... :coffee:

Jackson78

06-30-2017, 01:19 PM

Any Y - DNA from Maslomecz?

Lucas

06-30-2017, 03:10 PM

To całe Kowalewko to jest ewidentnie
jakaś staroeuropejska enklawa... :coffee:

who knows, partly for sure

Lucas

06-30-2017, 03:11 PM

Any Y - DNA from Maslomecz?

Only file big enough for analysis reveals to be woman... (Mas_5)

Lucas

06-30-2017, 09:48 PM

Kij, lupa i kamieni kupa...
Everyone was burned, exept Normans, Moravians, Magyars and Shvabs...

It was terrible joke of our ancestors:

"Let us complicate their archeological and genetic searching in future. Burn them all!"

Rethel

06-30-2017, 09:58 PM

It was terrible joke of our ancestors: "Let us complicate their archeological and genetic searching in future. Burn them all!"

Now it is at least known, where Martin took the idea about tygarian kings... from Piasts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tegl16_LhW8

Lucas

07-02-2017, 12:17 PM

Proof that my mtDNA analysis using BAM Tool was good....

Here http://www.academia.edu/31963766/Han...%C3%B3w_1_.pdf
on page 70 Kowalewko_23 (PCA0028) has mtDNA U3a1a. In my analysis U3a... So it was only more detailed.

I really didn't know this sample was analyzed before!

So from Piontek I can add:

Markowice_1 (PCA0152) - U5a2b1c
Niemcza__28 (PCA0142) - T2b

mtDNA

Kowalewko_55 U5b2a1a
Kowalewko_49 U3
Kowalewko_23 U3a
Kowalewko_57 U4
Kowalewko_45 H1e1a
Kowalewko_28 H5a
Kowalewko_22 H1a
Kowalewko_26 K
Kowalewko_29 K
Kowalewko_51 T2b6

Maslomecz_5 H16

Niemcza_34 HV0a
Niemcza_13 J1c3e1 lub J1b1a1
Niemcza_18 L3
Niemcza_19 K2c
Niemcza_32 T2

Markowice_7 Haplogroup J1c

War Chef

07-03-2017, 12:34 AM

So Weilbark cluster with Scandos & Jordanes stories was true

Dick

07-03-2017, 01:48 AM

So Weilbark cluster with Scandos & Jordanes stories was true
Jordanes was indeed a legitimate historian and genetics proved it. The Wielbark culture has traditionally been attributed to the migration of Germanics from Scandinavia to mainland Europe as related in his account of their origin.

War Chef

07-03-2017, 02:18 AM

Jordanes was indeed a legitimate historian and genetics proved it. The Wielbark culture has traditionally been attributed to the migration of Germanics from Scandinavia to mainland Europe as related in his account of their origin.

So fuck all the critics huh? Jordanes really new his stuff afterall. He was north-east Bulgarian but his dad was a Ostrogoth.

War Chef

07-03-2017, 02:27 AM

^ Actually the only reason many people criticized him is because to march from Weilbark culture to ---> Chernyakhov culture you would be going straight through proto-Slavic homeland, but that's exactly what happened: a war-band of at least 10,000 Goths marched from Weilbark and settled in Moldova, completely bypassing the Slavs & giving them some loan words (hleb - hleifs - bread)

Dick

07-03-2017, 02:32 AM

XenophobicPrussian

07-03-2017, 03:31 AM

Yes it seems so. Baltic or Baltic Finnic? Ward's Dendrogram for Niem_34 (made by Mlukas):

http://i.imgur.com/kaTX2N1.png

Niemcza people also had raher unusual skulls when compared to other Early Medieval Poles:

https://www.academia.edu/31578238/Biological_diversity_of_Early_Medieval_Slavs_popul ations_in_relations_to_populations_from_Roman_Peri od_from_Central_Europe._Nonmetrical_traits_analysi s

https://s22.postimg.org/vauc7kaf5/19-9ab907c04d.jpg
Since it's 900-1000 AD, maybe Magyars? Poland has 10% N1c from somewhere. Probably more Magyar admixture than Hungary.

War Chef

07-03-2017, 05:16 AM

Since it's 900-1000 AD, maybe Magyars? Poland has 10% N1c from somewhere. Probably more Magyar admixture than Hungary.

Not Magyars, that's the stupidest thing I heard hehe

Niemsza look like some Baltic tribe, Yotvingians or something.

Lucas

07-03-2017, 08:33 AM

Generally those results are of course from smaller number of snps. And in such case minor regional components are usually lacking. But those which stayed show obvious trends in specific genomes. If somebody was mostly NW-Euro he has elevated to enormous level North Sea frequency for example, but I'm sure with bigger number of snps he would be still NW-Euro but more averaged.

I agree that Niemcza looks Baltic influneces from some reason.

Rethel

07-03-2017, 11:27 AM

He was north-east Bulgarian but his dad was a Ostrogoth.

:picard2:

1. If father was a Goth, how on earth he wasn't?! :picard1:
2. How could he be a Bulgarian, if father was a Goth? :picard1:
3. More than that - how could he be a Bulgarian, if Bułgarians didn't yet arrived there? :picard1:

Rethel

07-03-2017, 11:31 AM

(hleb - hleifs - bread)

And becasue of this, every Pole is buying a Lord or couple of Lords every day... :laugh:

Well, all Slavs say hleb/chelb/leb for a loaf of bread except for Croats.

And Russkies, becasue they call by chleb mainly a corn/grain.

Rethel

07-03-2017, 11:35 AM

Since it's 900-1000 AD, maybe Magyars? Poland has 10% N1c from somewhere. Probably more Magyar admixture than Hungary.

:picard2:

In majority of researches was 0.5-1.5% (usually around 1%).
Lastly Leftpedia changed on 4%... thats all.

Ülev

07-03-2017, 11:38 AM

:picard2:

In majority of researches was 0.5-1.5% (usually around 1%).
Lastly Leftpedia changed on 4%... thats all.

lol, look closer to their (Polish) phenotypes, wild small eyes etc., Poland has Ugro-Finnic people, 4% is +/- good number

Rethel

07-03-2017, 11:41 AM

Not Magyars, that's the stupidest thing I heard hehe

Acually we had some hungarian settlement, especially in southern Poland, but also farther,
sometimes leaving behind place's names containgng ther ethnonim, but not always, BUT 1.
impact of general population was very low, becasue the settlement was very few in number
comparing to general population 2. 99.53% of so called Hungarians is not original, i.e. has
different than N hg, 3. majority of polish N is living rather on the north than on the south,
so lofgically, they came rather from people colse to Esthonians and Livs, than Magyars.

4% is +/- good number

According to FT DNA it has 4.45, but it is not representative, and containing mostly pre-IIWW population.

Lebusland has from example 100% of R1 and only 8 specimens :p

So, real % of N is probably lower I guess.

Rethel

07-03-2017, 12:23 PM

lol, look closer to their (Polish) phenotypes, wild small eyes etc., Poland has Ugro-Finnic people, 4% is +/- good number

Jak ci?

https://d-pt.ppstatic.pl/k/r/1/c9/87/55c5b0ab89b37_o.jpg?1441279085

Rethel

07-03-2017, 12:31 PM

Polish N-hat, called Magierka (i.e. Magyar hat).
Different types depending on original N subethnic root :p

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/013_Eine_M%C3%BCtze_%22Magierka%22_aus_weisser_Sch afwolle%2C_Krakau.JPG

http://www.hobby-welna.pl/media/products/c8fd1b1b97cbe018b6551cb0e0b44676/images/thumbnail/large_mag_1.jpg?lm=1473933465

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NCP3ei26Hs4/Vh0jsuHdsxI/AAAAAAAAOos/g0psrR5bhoI/s1600/czapka%2Bmagierka.png

http://www.hobby-welna.pl/media/products/253452f8a9bad9a216182b83ff53c6e1/images/thumbnail/large_IMG_8620.JPG?lm=1467345622

http://etnomuzeum.eu/file/obiekty/139pb_322.jpg

http://www.hobby-welna.pl/media/products/141b050b9a8f268bf79b60a0a0b04479/images/thumbnail/large_IMG_8619.JPG?lm=1466791463

http://www.hobby-welna.pl/media/products/d7cf21dbae4bb2f52f40b88bc05a1cdf/images/thumbnail/large_IMG_8621.JPG?lm=1466738278

Rethel

07-03-2017, 12:32 PM

Acually we had some hungarian settlement, especially in southern Poland, but also farther,
sometimes leaving behind place's names containgng ther ethnonim, but not always, BUT 1.
impact of general population was very low, becasue the settlement was very few in number
comparing to general population 2. 99.53% of so called Hungarians is not original, i.e. has
different than N hg, 3. majority of polish N is living rather on the north than on the south,
so lofgically, they came rather from people colse to Esthonians and Livs, than Magyars.

Ok, I changed a little my opinion on that matter, when I did see it by my own eyes.
It seems, that Hungraian settlement could have an impact in southern Poland anyway.
Interesting, that southern provinces had more Hungolians each one than Hungolia itself :laugh:

Beneath, distribution of Ugrofinians 1) by % of population 2) by number of bearers of
N in thousands, 3) by % of N in a province to whole Ugrofinian population in Poland.

65543

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=65543&d=1499084416

Peterski

07-03-2017, 01:24 PM

Since it's 900-1000 AD, maybe Magyars? Poland has 10% N1c from somewhere. Probably more Magyar admixture than Hungary.

Most of Polish N1c are branches typical for East Balts and West Balts. The most common branches of N1c in Poland are "Latvian" Z16975, "West Baltic" (Prussian-Yotvingian) Z16981, and N1c-NY5580 (I'm not sure what exactly it is - I suppose that it is one of typically Lithuanian branches):

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?10956-Old-Prussian-ancestry-of-East-Prussians&p=247661#post247661

Polish N1c branches:

http://i.imgur.com/ZSkWSHk.png

Here are my own names of Baltic N1c sub-branches, based on frequencies in populations (Z16975 was the most common branch of N1c in pre-1945 East Prussia, based on FTDNA Projects):

http://i.imgur.com/liyBy1Y.png

http://i.imgur.com/hiLQBnf.jpg

East Prussian R1a subclades (from FTDNA Projects):

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8115-East-Prussian-including-Old-Prussian-(West-Baltic)-R1a-subclades&p=175421&viewfull=1#post175421

East Prussian N1c-Z16975 (from FTDNA Projects):

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1712-N1c-in-the-Balts&p=176774&viewfull=1#post176774

kit 193848 Jons Maczullatis born in 1745 in Skaisgirren (Skajzgiry)
kit E13080 Johannes Reihs born in 1800 in Bischofstein (Bisztynek)
kit E2482 Martin Ossowski, born in 1729 in Marienburg (Malbork)
kit N61024 Jurgis Lunczyns born in 1715 in Mosteiten (Slawjanskoje)
kit 343953 Pranciškus Lukoševičius, born in Wisztyniec (Vištytis)
kit B42972 Johann Kuschnereit born in 1800 in Eszerischken
kit N58382 Dargil, born ca. 1344 in Gut Dargels (Dargiele) near Migehnen (Mingajny)

Interestingly there is also one guy with N1b-L732:

kit 217892 Johann Groening born in 1800 in Horsterbusch (Krzewiny)

Here a map with locations of 2 other N1b carriers:

http://semargl.me/haplogroups/maps/171/

Peterski

07-03-2017, 01:48 PM

The Wielbark culture has traditionally been attributed to the migration of Germanics from Scandinavia to mainland Europe as related in his account of their origin.

Some of them (especially Kow_45) could also be descended from local population.

GAC culture in Poland was a mix of EEF with WHG (no Steppe) and their Y-DNA was I2:

Globular Amphora Poland Kierzkowo I2440 I2
Globular Amphora Poland Kierzkowo I2403 I2a2
Globular Amphora Poland Kierzkowo I2405 I2a2
Globular Amphora Poland Kierzkowo I2441 I2a2a1b
Globular Amphora Ukraine Ilyatka ILK001 I2a2a1b
Globular Amphora Ukraine Ilyatka ILK002 I2a2a1b2

And individual Kow_45 from Wielbark culture also belonged to I2-L801 haplogroup.

Rethel

07-03-2017, 01:53 PM

Globular Amphora Poland Kierzkowo
Globular Amphora Ukraine Ilyatka

But these are two extremes.
Interesting, what was in the center.
Maybe something different - and replaced
population lived on the outskirts?

XenophobicPrussian

07-03-2017, 02:45 PM

Not Magyars, that's the stupidest thing I heard hehe

Niemsza look like some Baltic tribe, Yotvingians or something.
Uh, that sample is a closest match to Finno-Ugrics in NW Russia, not Balts, likely meaning it had Mongoloid admixture. Balts(Lithuanians, Latvians) don't have Mongoloid admixture. Niemcza is also in southern Poland, if it was a group like Curonians(who are said to be Estonians rather than Latvians), how did they get so far south? Balts didn't exactly conquer a lot unlike Slavs or Germanics during that period.

More likely Magyars.

Not a Cop

07-03-2017, 02:57 PM

Uh, that sample is a closest match to Finno-Ugrics in NW Russia, not Balts, likely meaning it had Mongoloid admixture. Balts(Lithuanians, Latvians) don't have Mongoloid admixture. Niemcza is also in southern Poland, if it was a group like Curonians(who are said to be Estonians rather than Latvians), how did they get so far south? Balts didn't exactly conquer a lot unlike Slavs or Germanics during that period.

More likely Magyars.

You're not entirely correct, this dendogramm is based on Eurogenes K36, in which Niemcza gets high Fennoscandian, due to which it clusters with North-Russians.

While Fennoscandian is almost pure Finnish component North Euros without any mongoloid admix get it in high amounts like Dutch, North-Germans, Danes get 10%+.

Also should be noted that this are very early results distanses to closest populations are 30+ and result are very wild, they do barely deffirinate in terms of big races, hardly any usefull for regional sub-divisions.

Tl;DR - result are shit right now, we should wait for better read genomes.

Peterski

07-03-2017, 03:00 PM

K36 "Fennoscandian" component is also present among Balts:

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Fennoscandian-eurogenesk36.jpg

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Fennoscandian-eurogenesk36.jpg

Lucas

07-04-2017, 11:22 AM

Yes, Fennosciandian isn't Mongoloid at all. In K36 Siberian is North Mongoloid and Niemcza didn't have any.

Peterski

07-05-2017, 03:20 AM

Sample Niemcza_13 from Early Medieval Poland belongs to I2a-Din:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6522-Early-Medieval-aDNA-from-Poland-coming-soon&p=255823&viewfull=1#post255823

So far none of Iron Age Polish samples belongs to I2a-Din or R1a.

This is now one of the oldest I2a-Din samples in ancient DNA, right?:

Niemcza_13 (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621+, mtDNA J1c3e1

Location of Niemcza (to the west of Krosno):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Niemcza

http://chrzest966.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/mapa-Millenium-Plus-Hanna-Kocka-ryc1.bmp

Lucas

07-05-2017, 09:05 AM

niem18 J-Z6055: Z27899/Y7016+ or J-SK1323: FGC58046- FGC58078+ (low probability)

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172

It is J2a > m410 > L26 > z6064 > z6055
or J2a > m410 > L26 > PF5087 > PF5160 > PF5197 > SK1323

M410 is Georgia, Ossetia subclade. So considering Osetia another Sarmatian trace.

Peterski

07-05-2017, 02:33 PM

Niemcza_18, 900-1000 AD, Y-DNA: J2a1a-L26+ (exact subclade under L26 uncertain).

It has rather nothing to do with modern Georgia.

This SNP - L26 - links Early Medieval Pole Niemcza_18 with Bronze Age Hungarian BR2:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y17946*/

http://i.imgur.com/T5OZYzB.png

Both Niemcza_18 and BR2 were J2a1, M410+ and L26+.

================

And autosomal similarity of BR2 to modern populations:

http://s10.postimg.org/dyq6cc0nt/BR2.png

Lucas

07-07-2017, 09:18 AM

Now it's official guys...

https://www.academia.edu/33791135/2017_Zenczak_.....Piontek_..._Y-%20chromosome_haplogroup_assignment_through_next_g eneration_sequencing_of_enriched_%3Cbr%20/%3Eancient_DNA_libraries

Here, we present the analysis of Y-chromosome obtained from seventeen, not yet reported, ancient male samples excavated from different burial sites in Poland: Kowalewko (Roman Iron Age), Maslomecz (Roman Iron Age), Legowo (early Middle Ages) and Niemcza (early Middle Ages).

We successfully assigned haplogroups to sixteen individuals. Eight belonged to haplogroup I1 (I-M253). Three of them belonged to the sub-branch I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237) and one to I1a2a (I-Z59). I1 is the most common haplogroup in present day Scandinavia, and it is found in all places invaded by ancient Germanic tribes and Vikings. Four samples belonged to haplogroup G2a (G-P15) which is spread uniformly throughout Europe. Other individuals were assigned to I2a2 (I-M436), R1a (R-M420), R1bl (R-L278), E1b1 (E-P2). The next portion of samples is under investigation. With this study we hope to shed new light into the genetic structure of populations inhabiting lands of contemporary Poland during the Roman Iron Age and the Middle Ages.

So out of 16:

8 I1 (I-M253)
- 3 I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)
- 1 I1a2a (I-Z59)
- 4 just I-M253

4 G2a (G-P15)

1 I2a2 (I-m436)
1 R1a M420
1 R1b1 (R-L278)
1 E1b1 (E-P2)

How we can divide them between those few places? Any opinions? If one R1a m420 was from Wielbark or rather early Polish medieval?

Peterski

07-07-2017, 09:21 AM

LOL, as much as 50% (!) of I1-M253.

Compare with 12 samples from Görzig (Saxony-Anhalt) dated to 300-400s AD:

I1 --------------------------------------------------------- 7 (~58%)
I (likely I2 but can be some Russian clade of I1) ------ 1 (~8%)
R1b ------------------------------------------------------- 1 (~8%)
R1 (most likely R1a, or some eastern R1b) ------------ 1 (~8%)
R1 (likely R1b but can be R1a-Z284 or L664) --------- 2 (~17%)

Source (see Table 3. on page 6 out of 7):

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282540455_Geschlechterverteilung_eines_Grabungsfun ds_aus_der_romischen_Kaiser-_und_Volkerwanderungszeit

Location of Görzig:

http://www.postleitzahl.org/sachsen_anhalt/images/karte_g%C3%B6rzig.png

Tschaikisten

07-07-2017, 09:46 AM

Now it's official guys...

https://www.academia.edu/33791135/2017_Zenczak_.....Piontek_..._Y-%20chromosome_haplogroup_assignment_through_next_g eneration_sequencing_of_enriched_%3Cbr%20/%3Eancient_DNA_libraries

So out of 16:

8 I1 (I-M253)
- 3 I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)
- 1 I1a2a (I-Z59)
- 4 just I-M253

4 G2a (G-P15)

1 I2a2 (I-m436)
1 R1a M420
1 R1b1 (R-L278)
1 E1b1 (E-P2)

How we can divide them between those few places? Any opinions? If one R1a m420 was from Wielbark or rather early Polish medieval?

This is fucking shit. Is there any chance to some ''find'' deeper clades?

Peterski

07-07-2017, 10:12 AM

Three of them belonged to the sub-branch I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)

Subclade I-L1237 on YFull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L1237/

The basal lineage of this subclade, I-L1237*, can be found here:

http://i.imgur.com/bncBRqP.png

So Jordanes was right - the Goths had originated from Sweden?

Rethel

07-07-2017, 10:20 AM

Now it's official guys...

https://www.academia.edu/33791135/2017_Zenczak_.....Piontek_..._Y-%20chromosome_haplogroup_assignment_through_next_g eneration_sequencing_of_enriched_%3Cbr%20/%3Eancient_DNA_libraries

So out of 16:

8 I1 (I-M253)
- 3 I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)
- 1 I1a2a (I-Z59)
- 4 just I-M253

4 G2a (G-P15)

1 I2a2 (I-m436)
1 R1a M420
1 R1b1 (R-L278)
1 E1b1 (E-P2)

How we can divide them between those few places? Any opinions? If one R1a m420 was from Wielbark or rather early Polish medieval?

As I said before: these places are not representative.
Some OE pipidówki or servant settlements, or just a
place were lived one or two rods, nothing special.

Tschaikisten

07-07-2017, 10:20 AM

Goths - 0% IE 100 % Old Europe. :laugh:

Peterski

07-07-2017, 10:24 AM

But Wojewoda from ABF is ancestral to these Goths (he is I1 Z63+ S2078+ L1237-):

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/48332-Y-DNA-in-Iron-Age-Poland?p=1304224&viewfull=1#post1304224

Maybe L1237 originated in Poland, south of the Baltic Sea, from Wojewoda's branch.

Wojewoda is an ethnic Polish user.

Jana

07-07-2017, 10:26 AM

So Jordanes was right - the Goths had originated from Sweden?
Yes, even their name indicates it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland

''Gutasaga contains legends of how the island was settled by Þieluar and populated by his descendants. It also tells that a third of the population had to emigrate and settle in southern Europe, a tradition associated with the migration of the Goths, whose name has the same origin as Gutes, the native name of the people of the island.''

Rethel

07-07-2017, 10:26 AM

Maybe L1237 originated in Poland, south of the Baltic Sea, from Wojewoda's branch.

Some historians are claiming, that Goths came to Scandia from Poland.

Yes, even their name indicates it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland

''Gutasaga contains legends of how the island was settled by Þieluar and populated by his descendants. It also tells that a third of the population had to emigrate and settle in southern Europe, a tradition associated with the migration of the Goths, whose name has the same origin as Gutes, the native name of the people of the island.''

On the Island 50% is I, so nothing strange if they found only I.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 10:39 AM

Rethel

07-07-2017, 10:49 AM

First Thraell.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 10:51 AM

First Thraell.

You need to have a duel with him, to solve this dispute.

Rethel

07-07-2017, 10:53 AM

You need to have a duel with him, to solve this dispute.

According to Boziewicz's Codex thraells have
no honorary ability, so the duell is impossible. :p

Lucas

07-07-2017, 11:46 AM

Wojewoda doesn't know if he should call himself Gothorum Rex or Pater:

http://i.imgur.com/rIi1HHn.png

Nope. He is just simply nothing.

Michał from anthrogenica

Whatever is his subclade under S2078 (do you know his specific subclade downstream of S2078?), you cannot say that his subclade is "older and ancestral" to those from the paper. These are simply two parallel subclades descending from a common S2078+ ancestor.

To be classified as S2078* one would need to be tested for all known SNPs/subclades directly under S2078, and he probably hasn't been tested for any SNPs downstream of S2078 other than L1237 (not even for S2077 or Y2245, mutations defining large clades downstream of S2078 but upstream of L1237). Even if he was indeed S2078*, this would not make his modern lineage ancestral to subclade L1237, and you need to keep in mind that the common ancestor of Wojewoda and those ancient L1237 people (ie. their most recent common paternal ancestor) was ancestral to all of them the same way. (In fact, that ancestor was more closely related to those ancient "Poles/Goths", but this is only because these are ancient samples).

If I was tested for just two mutations, let's say L1085 (from the A0-T level) and M343 (defining R1b), so my results would be L1085+ M343-, this would not make "my lineage" ancestral to all R1b people (including yourself).

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Bear in mind, that author of this paper is Piontek. Until now greatest autochtonist in Poland.

So if he said:

I1 is the most common haplogroup in present day Scandinavia, and it is found in all places invaded by ancient Germanic tribes and Vikings."

It was probably hardest thing for him, which he said recently. So we can be 100% sure this particular I1 is Germanic. He knows better Tomenable. He is the author.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 12:02 PM

I1-M253 frequencies in some populations:

Kashubians -------- 13,06% (35/268)
Greater Poles ----- 10,45% (21/201)
Lusatian Sorbs ---- 9,76% (12/123)
Kociewie ----------- 8,23% (13/158)
Kurpie ------------- 6,96% (11/158)
Upper Silesians --- 6,25% (3/48)
Lesser Poles ------- 5,66% (12/212)
Mazovian nobility - 5,48% (8/146)
Wrocław ----------- 4,04% (4/99)

Rethel

07-07-2017, 12:07 PM

It was probably hardest thing for him, which he said recently. So we can be 100% sure this particular I1 is Germanic. He knows better Tomenable. He is the author.

But he can follow just the logic of many TAtards,
that if I1 has the biggest % in Scandia, then it
has to be of viking descendency.

It has not to be.

Poland has almost as big I1 population as Sweden, and much bigger
than Denmark and Norway - the same as they both together. Much
more I1 had France, Germany, Russia and England... Even a Holland,
ITALY!!! and UKRAINE!!! has bigger population of I1 than Denmark or
Norway. It has come from somewhere, and I do not belive, that it all
came from Scandinavia. Partialy, yes, but not all.

Lucas

07-07-2017, 12:09 PM

But he can follow just the logic of many TAtards,
that if I1 has the biggest % in Scandia, then it
has to be of viking descendency.

It has not to be.

Poland has almost as big I1 population as Sweden, and much bigger
than Denmark and Norway - the same as they both together. Much
more I1 had France, Germany, Russia and England... Even a Holland,
ITALY!!! and UKRAINE!!! has bigger population of I1 than Denmark or
Norway. It has come from somewhere, and I do not belive, that it all
came from Scandinavia. Partialy, yes, but not all.

Do you believe he was so easy defeated? If he had any objections to Germanic ancestry of this subclade he would simply said it. It was his paper. He can. But nope.

He wasn't TurnoGerman. He was nearly TurboSlav. In his naive faith in ancestral Slavdom oin Poland.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 12:16 PM

I1-M253 frequencies in some populations:

Kashubians -------- 13,06% (35/268)
Greater Poles ----- 10,45% (21/201)
Lusatian Sorbs ---- 9,76% (12/123)
Kociewie ----------- 8,23% (13/158)
Kurpie ------------- 6,96% (11/158)
Upper Silesians --- 6,25% (3/48)
Lesser Poles ------- 5,66% (12/212)
Wrocław ----------- 4,04% (4/99)

I also added I1-M253 in one more population:

Mazovian nobility - 5,48% (8/146)

^^^
Based on FTDNA "Mazovian Nobility Project".

Peterski

07-07-2017, 12:29 PM

More Wielbark descendants among peasants (Kashubians, Greater Poles) than nobility (Mazovia has the highest percent of nobility-descendants of all Polish regions). Something that Figlerowicz already said in one of his interviews. Population structure by region in the 16th century (1500s):

Mazovia:

Peasantry - 62,4 percent
Townsmen - 14,1 percent
Priesthood - 0,1 percent
Nobility - 23,4 percent (yes - almost 1/4 of Mazovians were nobles)

Greater Poland:

Peasantry - 68,9 percent
Townsmen - 25,2 percent
Priesthood - 0,3 percent
Nobility - 5,6 percent

Royal Prussia:

Peasantry - 59,3 percent
Townsmen - 36,5 percent
Priesthood - 1,2 percent
Nobility - 3,0 percent

Let me remind you what lgmayka wrote:

Just as remarkable as a rural southeastern Pole whose first three DNA tests on his relatives yield I2a, G2, and R1b. (That's my family.) The obvious point here is that academic sampling at the universities of big cities does not necessarily reflect local, rural variation, which may vary widely from village to village--in our day, and even more so in ancient and medieval times.

I really do understand the powerful desire to draw sweeping conclusions from a handful of ancient samples taken from a single archaeological dig--but we need to be realistic as to the limitations of that approach.

These are Wielbark-descended peasants.

Jana

07-07-2017, 12:37 PM

Peterski

07-07-2017, 12:42 PM

How are Kashubians peasants ?

There are some nobles, but the vast majority of Kashubians are peasants. I have a Kashubian noble line in my family tree, but it is was an impoverished family that lost its noble status.

Impoverished nobles were usually becoming peasants again. My Kashubian noble line were also peasants before 1300 AD. They became nobles through nobilitation in the 14th century.

So originally they were peasants, then became nobles, then lost their noble status.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 12:48 PM

Kashubian nobility is mostly R1a according to what Artek told me (families such as von Klopotek, Gostomski, Miszewski, Trawicki, Cisowski, von Wedel, von Sydow belong to R1a - mostly R1a-L365).

Here you have families of Kashubian nobility (my Kashubian line are Gliszczyński):

http://www.szlachta.org.pl/opracowania/herbarz-szlachty-pomorskiej-kaszubskiej.html

Jana

07-07-2017, 12:49 PM

There are some nobles, but the vast majority of Kashubians are peasants. I have a Kashubian noble line in my family tree, but it is was an impoverished family that lost its noble status.
Impoverished nobles were usually becoming peasants again. My Kashubian noble line were also peasants before 1300 AD. They became nobles through nobilitation in the 14th century.
So originally they were peasants, then became nobles, then lost their noble status.

Very interesting. Are Kashubians more Slavic or Baltic genetically ? I know they aren't Germanic despite cultural assimilation.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 12:52 PM

Very interesting. Are Kashubians more Slavic or Baltic genetically ?

Way more Slavic because they almost don't have any N1c.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 01:01 PM

Nobility (szlachta) was multiplying faster than peasants (page 21, Table 1.):

http://homoeconomicus.uwb.edu.pl/pdf/Struktury_demograficzne.pdf

http://s22.postimg.org/befmubtip/Szlachta.png

An average nobleman had 2-3 sons surviving to adulthood.

A typical peasant had only 1-2 sons surviving to adulthood.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 01:20 PM

From Czekanowski, "Wstęp do historii Słowian", 1957:

https://s10.postimg.org/3n8b3eymh/goto.jpg

Wasn't that also Czekanowski who wrote that Polish nobility was darker-haired and darker-eyed than Polish peasants? I know that someone wrote that, I don't remember who. But it was the opposite pattern to that observed in places like France or Iberia, where the nobility was lighter than peasants.

Rethel

07-07-2017, 01:28 PM

Do you believe he was so easy defeated? If he had any objections to Germanic ancestry of this subclade he would simply said it. It was his paper. He can. But nope.

He wasn't TurnoGerman. He was nearly TurboSlav. In his naive faith in ancestral Slavdom oin Poland.

Did he negate earlier or such true belivers as he any germanic
influence whatsoever? No single Goth, Vandal, Lug' or a Viking?
None? Not a single one?

Rethel

07-07-2017, 01:30 PM

Mazovian nobility - 5,48% (8/146)

You see how liberal we are?
We even admitted some I1 as honourable! :p

p.s.
Mazowian but with some mazovianized
lands including Podlachia for example.

Based on FTDNA "Mazovian Nobility Project".

When wielkopolish will be?
Did all wielkopolish szlachta extinct?
In common project there are only two or three specimens :pout:
In ZSzP is almost none from there. They cannot even formate a branch.

Rethel

07-07-2017, 01:43 PM

Nobility - 23,4 percent (yes - almost 1/4 of Mazovians were nobles)

Greater Poland:
Nobility - 5,6 percent

Maybe even less, becasue Poznań Department
of Warsaw Duchy has only 1,2%, Bydgoszcz's
Department 2,3% and Kalisz's 2,4%.

Hard to say which estimation is correct, but
I guess that percentages from 19th century
are more accurate. Some of course could
emigrate or extinct, but the difference is
quite big. The same in other parts.

It is hard to find information, which etimate was based on census.
This 19th century I took from GUS publication, so I hope it is based
on some real censuses. I don't think that commies would lie so much :)
But who knows...

These are Wielbark-descended peasants.

It is also not known, what role they played among Goths.
They also had slaves, serfs, and pre-their people.

Rethel

07-07-2017, 01:52 PM

impoverished family that lost its noble status.

No, totaly untrue.
To lost noble status sombody would have to absorb poddaństwo.

They became nobles through nobilitation in the 14th century.

By whom?

How are Kashubians peasants ?

Becasue no Noble is identify as local.

Szlachta is a subgroup itself, simiral to Kashubian, Goralian aso.

Rethel

07-07-2017, 01:56 PM

Nobility (szlachta) was multiplying faster than peasants (page 21, Table 1.):

Mine did from two (maybe three)
guys in 1450 to around 50-60 men
in 1550. Plus women of course.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 01:59 PM

By whom?

Grand Master of the Teutonic Order.

Rethel

07-07-2017, 02:00 PM

Wasn't that also Czekanowski who wrote that Polish nobility was darker-haired and darker-eyed than Polish peasants? I know that someone wrote that, I don't remember who. But it was the opposite pattern to that observed in places like France or Iberia, where the nobility was lighter than peasants.

It depends on time and region. Szlachta was often
marrying peasant women, and no, they did not count
how many au who has. Certainly don't :p

Local author from Sabnie wrote, that peasants were
dark and swarthy in that area, and szlachta was fair
haired. He published around 1920.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 02:00 PM

From Czekanowski, "Wstęp do historii Słowian", 1957:

https://s10.postimg.org/3n8b3eymh/goto.jpg

But the Piasts were R1b, not R1a, so perhaps they were descended from those Wielbark peasants. The legendary Piast was a farmer (oracz) or a wheelwright (kołodziej), a simple peasant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piast_the_Wheelwright

http://weneda.net/piast-oracz/

The legendary Popielids were perhaps R1a (assuming that Popielid chiefs existed).

The Piasts were initially low status and likely took over power from the Popielids:

Two theories explain the etymology of the word Piast. The first gives the root as piasta ("hub" in Polish), a reference to his profession. The second relates Piast to piastun ("custodian" or "keeper"). This could hint at Piast's initial position as a majordomo, or a "steward of the house", in the court of another ruler, and the subsequent takeover of power by Piast. This would parallel the development of the early medieval Frankish dynasties, when the Mayors of the Palace of the Merovingian kings gradually usurped political control.

Rethel

07-07-2017, 02:04 PM

The legendary Popielids were perhaps R1a (assuming that Popielid chiefs existed).

1. Popiel had 20 stryjs from which many families descendend.
2. Piast could be Popielid himself, because, he was called son
of Chościsko or Książysko, and Popiel bear the same nickname.
3. Watch this Urbańczyk's lecture about the early Christianity
in yet not Poland. Based on this, the moravian theory is quite
convicable (but I still doubt it). He is also showing eveidence,
that the first christian lived on Mazowia :p Mojmirowices btw
could be descendants of Samo, who could be certainly R1b.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 02:10 PM

Isn't the nickname Chościsko linked with Goths?

Rethel

07-07-2017, 02:13 PM

Isn't the nickname Chościsko linked with Goths?

Nope. How?
But Kociewie is.
Originally Gociewie.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 02:20 PM

Nobility was - compared to peasants - darker-pigmented, more brachycephalic, more Dinarid:

https://s16.postimg.org/kke5pijjp/szl.jpg

https://s24.postimg.org/nwsl0mzlx/szil.jpg

Rethel

07-07-2017, 03:01 PM

This is about stereotypes.

To be representable, they would have
to check everywhere, not only in Płońsk.

And szlachta was not hermetic racially.
Marrying a commoner was very often,
in medieval times a normal practice,
later stopped, and again from XIXth
century became a norm, buy it did
happen often also in interperiod.

Among okoliczna's szlachta some types
could dominate localy, but if was not
because of some universal type, but
becasue of local inbreeding.

p.s. but my ancestors actually would fit with hair :p

p.s. Look how looks the Chief Prezes of polish szlachta :p
You will be surrprized :laugh:

Peterski

07-07-2017, 04:48 PM

Three Early Medieval Slavs - RISE568, Niemcza18, Markowice7 - in Eurogenes K15:

1) RISE568 (Czechia):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.17
2 Atlantic 34.99
3 Eastern_Euro 14.8
4 North_Sea 8.49
5 West_Med 4.15
6 West_Asian 1.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Russian_Smolensk 18.3
2 Estonian_Polish 18.77
3 Belorussian 18.79
4 Polish 20.01
5 Lithuanian 20.05
6 Southwest_Russian 21.04
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.22
8 South_Polish 21.33
9 Croatian 22.65
10 Austrian 23
11 Estonian 23.41
12 Ukrainian 23.41
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 23.48
14 La_Brana-1 23.74
15 Kargopol_Russian 24.98
16 Southwest_Finnish 25.7
17 East_German 25.89
18 Hungarian 26.15
19 Moldavian 26.55
20 Erzya 27.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.9% Lithuanian + 27.1% French_Basque @ 15.79
2 78.3% Belorussian + 21.7% French_Basque @ 16.43
3 79% Estonian_Polish + 21% French_Basque @ 16.62
4 81.7% Russian_Smolensk + 18.3% French_Basque @ 16.76
5 73.5% Lithuanian + 26.5% Southwest_French @ 17.4
6 76.1% Lithuanian + 23.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 17.5
7 80.9% Belorussian + 19.1% Southwest_French @ 17.63
8 76% Lithuanian + 24% Spanish_Valencia @ 17.71
9 83.3% Belorussian + 16.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 17.73
10 85.8% Russian_Smolensk + 14.2% Southwest_French @ 17.73
11 81.7% Estonian_Polish + 18.3% Southwest_French @ 17.75
12 77% Lithuanian + 23% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 17.79
13 77% Lithuanian + 23% Spanish_Andalucia @ 17.81
14 88.1% Russian_Smolensk + 11.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 17.81
15 83.9% Estonian_Polish + 16.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 17.82
16 83.7% Belorussian + 16.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 17.89
17 89% Russian_Smolensk + 11% Spanish_Valencia @ 17.93
18 84.7% Belorussian + 15.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 17.95
19 84.3% Estonian_Polish + 15.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 17.95
20 84.7% Belorussian + 15.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 17.95

2) Niemcza18 (Poland):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 42.12
2 Atlantic 32.49
3 West_Asian 14.45
4 North_Sea 10.95

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Russian_Smolensk 26.33
2 Belorussian 27.06
3 Lithuanian 27.21
4 South_Polish 27.9
5 Estonian_Polish 28.01
6 Polish 28.1
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 28.18
8 Croatian 28.57
9 Southwest_Russian 28.65
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 28.89
11 Austrian 29.08
12 La_Brana-1 29.82
13 Ukrainian 29.9
14 Estonian 30.48
15 Hungarian 30.82
16 Moldavian 31.25
17 East_German 31.5
18 Southwest_Finnish 32.89
19 Romanian 33.03
20 Bulgarian 33.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.4% Lithuanian + 22.6% French_Basque @ 25.17
2 80.8% Lithuanian + 19.2% North_Ossetian @ 25.18
3 84.8% Lithuanian + 15.2% Abhkasian @ 25.48
4 84.4% Lithuanian + 15.6% Georgian @ 25.55
5 82.7% Lithuanian + 17.3% Adygei @ 25.63
6 87.9% Russian_Smolensk + 12.1% North_Ossetian @ 25.65
7 82.7% Lithuanian + 17.3% Balkar @ 25.7
8 83.9% Lithuanian + 16.1% Ossetian @ 25.7
9 82.3% Lithuanian + 17.7% Kabardin @ 25.71
10 83.7% Belorussian + 16.3% North_Ossetian @ 25.73
11 86.8% Russian_Smolensk + 13.2% French_Basque @ 25.79
12 91.4% Russian_Smolensk + 8.6% Abhkasian @ 25.85
13 79.3% Lithuanian + 20.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 25.86
14 79% Lithuanian + 21% Spanish_Andalucia @ 25.87
15 91.4% Russian_Smolensk + 8.6% Georgian @ 25.9
16 78.7% Lithuanian + 21.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 25.91
17 83.6% Lithuanian + 16.4% Chechen @ 25.93
18 78.1% Lithuanian + 21.9% Southwest_French @ 25.93
19 90.6% Russian_Smolensk + 9.4% Adygei @ 25.94
20 79.6% Lithuanian + 20.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 25.94

3) Markowice7 (Poland):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.91
2 Eastern_Euro 24
3 Atlantic 17.33
4 North_Sea 12.2
5 West_Med 5.54
6 Sub-Saharan 1.02 --> probably ancient DNA damage

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 8.65
2 Estonian_Polish 9.75
3 Belorussian 10.16
4 Russian_Smolensk 11.46
5 Southwest_Russian 11.89
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.24
7 Polish 14.05
8 Erzya 15.43
9 South_Polish 15.64
10 Estonian 15.67
11 Kargopol_Russian 15.69
12 Ukrainian 15.77
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.54
14 Croatian 19.8
15 East_Finnish 21.12
16 Moldavian 22.09
17 La_Brana-1 22.75
18 Finnish 22.94
19 Southwest_Finnish 23.77
20 Hungarian 23.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98% Lithuanian + 2% Sardinian @ 8.58
2 83% Lithuanian + 17% Estonian_Polish @ 8.6
(...)

^^^
Now it makes sense why Slavic admixture was represented by a "Lithuanian-like source":

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4714572/

"As previously reported [11], the formation of the Slavic people (...) had a significant impact on the populations of Northern and Eastern Europe, a result that is supported by an analysis of identity by descent segments in European populations [10]. Here, despite characterizing populations by genetic similarity rather than geographic labels, we infer the same events involving a “Slavic” source (represented here by a cluster of Lithuanians; lithu11 and colored light blue) across all Balkan groups in the analysis (Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, and Hungary) as well as in a large cluster of Germanic origin (germa36) and a composite cluster of eastern European individuals (ukrai48; Figures 4A and 4B )."

Jana

07-07-2017, 04:58 PM

Peterski

07-07-2017, 05:01 PM

They also lack any Siberian.

Modern Poles also lack any Siberian. At least I don't score any in K15.

Jana

07-07-2017, 05:03 PM

Modern Poles also lack any Siberian. At least I don't score any in K15.
Yes, I know that. East Slavs do score it though, many people expected proto-Slavs to have some Siberian but they obviously don't.
Still, how do you explain their different autosomal make up, since it was already middle ages ?

I expected medieval Poles and Czechs to be the same as modern but seems not.

Rethel

07-07-2017, 05:10 PM

I wonder why are those medieval samples so far from modern Slavs, it was not so long ago but their genetics was different.

Becasue they are not representative.
Niemcza was settled by captives.

XenophobicPrussian

07-07-2017, 07:49 PM

Interesting how Niemcza has much higher west asian than modern Poles and no any east med admixture (Czech sample too). They also lack any Siberian.
I wonder why are those medieval samples so far from modern Slavs, it was not so long ago but their genetics was different.
That high amount of West Asian and no East Med is simply a result of low coverage. It still shows up where it should be on a PCA or oracle because the inflated Baltic/European, etc(the pop with the most is Lithuanians with 36%).

On K15 runs that show 80k+ SNPs or more, you don't see weird results like this.

Karol Klačansky

07-07-2017, 08:46 PM

Becasue they are not representative.
Niemcza was settled by captives.
I agree, I dont think these samples yet are the best representatives of the original slavs, I mean none of these three ancient slavs were even R1a.

Dick

07-07-2017, 11:30 PM

Some historians are claiming, that Goths came to Scandia from Poland.

http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/cool-laugh-gif-886.gif

Niemcza was settled by captives.

http://files.gamebanana.com/img/ico/sprays/558035abd8db7.gif

Dick

07-07-2017, 11:35 PM

Modern Poles also lack any Siberian. At least I don't score any in K15.

Because your countryman Davidski made the calculator that way on purpose.

Peterski

07-07-2017, 11:38 PM

On K15 runs that show 80k+ SNPs or more, you don't see weird results like this.

Interesting that when long-established specialists (people who create GEDmatch calculators) converted ancient Egyptian genomes from BAM files to GEDmatch format, they had a small amount of SNPs after conversion. But when Mlukas did it, these genomes have much more SNPs:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214734-Ancient-Egyptians-on-GEDmatch&p=4498564&viewfull=1#post4498564

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214734-Ancient-Egyptians-on-GEDmatch&p=4499947&viewfull=1#post4499947

Also their results from files processed by Mlukas make more sense than before.

(the pop with the most is Lithuanians with 36%)

I found many individual Lithuanians on GEDmatch who score way more Baltic.

By the way, it is high time that you recognize the superiority of K36 over K15:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214670-RN97-s-various-GEDMatch-results&p=4497313&viewfull=1#post4497313

Peterski

07-07-2017, 11:49 PM

how do you explain their different autosomal make up

That could be genetic drift. Maybe they belonged to several distinct, isolated tribes.

Later those tribes mixed with each other, creating a more homogeneous population.

That high amount of West Asian and no East Med is simply a result of low coverage..

Why do you think so, why exactly should (or must) Early Slavs have any East Med?

Rethel

07-07-2017, 11:52 PM

http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/cool-laugh-gif-886.gif

http://files.gamebanana.com/img/ico/sprays/558035abd8db7.gif

:confused:

Jana

07-08-2017, 06:26 AM

It isn't strange if early Slavs completely lacked east med, but the fact that modern Poles score some of it, where does it comes from ?
In case of south slavs it's easy- we mixed with indigenious Illyrian-Thracian tribes, but in case of ''northern'' Slavs it seems to be a mystery.

As well as west asian scores reducing significantly in modern Polish population.

Karol Klačansky

07-08-2017, 06:32 AM

Why do you think so, why exactly should (or must) Early Slavs have any East Med?

According to Maciamo the original slavs must have had traces of J2 and E1b as it's present in small amounts in all modern Slavic populations. I would also expect them to have traces of east med.

XenophobicPrussian

07-08-2017, 07:45 AM

That could be genetic drift. Maybe they belonged to several distinct, isolated tribes.

Later those tribes mixed with each other, creating a more homogeneous population.

Why do you think so, why exactly should (or must) Early Slavs have any East Med?
because every single population in Europe except Finnish Sami have it(even Finns/Estonians). It was in Bell Beakers, the highest coverage Anglo-Saxons/Britons, in all neolithic farmers(although if you don't have atleast a 2:1 West Med to East Med ratio you likely have post-neolithic MENA ancestry). You can't be admixed with neolithic farmers if you don't have East Med(of course, there are samples known to have neolithic farmer admixture without East Med, but again this is due to low SNP coverage).

Also no, I'm not accepting K36 to be superiour. :icon_lol: The PCA has too many errors(S. Dutch too far northern, SW Finnish too far eastern, Volga-Uralic groups and Tatars way close too Slavs, only thing the K36 PCA seems to get right over K15 is the position of Austria, but K13 also gets Austria correct) and the admixture results don't even show how much Middle-Eastern someone has because it's hidden in the "Italian" or w/e component. The component maps you made also seem to be all over the place.

Peterski

07-08-2017, 11:39 AM

The PCA has too many errors

They are not errors, just imperfections of a two-dimensional PCA.

Only three-dimensional PCAs can accurately show all of variation.

because every single population in Europe except Finnish Sami have it

In Eurogenes K36, East_Med admixture is much less widespread.

It isn't strange if early Slavs completely lacked east med, but the fact that modern Poles score some of it, where does it comes from ?

These samples are dated to 600 AD - 1200 AD, maybe at that time mixing between Slavs and Pre-Slavic inhabitants was still not completed, and therefore people with very different genetic backgrounds will be found (some with much more Slavic ancestry, others with much more Pre-Slavic ancestry).

Another issue is that these are "screening results", which is why they are low coverage.

The actual paper will be published soon, and it will include better quality genomes. So maybe when we upload to GEDmatch these higher coverage genomes (of the same people), their results will be slightly different. We will see. But low coverage does not mean that the results must be wrong.

Peterski

07-08-2017, 11:51 AM

Crimean Goths were I1-M253 as well (just like Wielbark):

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=48332&page=2&p=1304256&viewfull=1#post1304256

(...) Our project tested two people who are descendants of the Crimean Goths, this kit № 228539 Afenko and kit № 228541 Aslanov. Their haplogroup (I1-M253) was determined in the course of scientific research laboratory Balanovsky. (...)

Rethel

07-08-2017, 11:54 AM

As well as west asian scores reducing significantly in modern Polish population.

Jews. In Xth century they were not here. In XXth
century they were 11% in population Poles+Jews.

Rethel

07-08-2017, 11:56 AM

According to Maciamo...

...many his claims were debunked, and he had to rewtite his
stories and repainted maps... sometimes trice or four times.

Karol Klačansky

07-08-2017, 12:29 PM

...many his claims were debunked, and he had to rewtite his
stories and repainted maps... sometimes trice or four times.
Yes I don't always agree with Maciamo on everything , but still the fact that east med type haplogroups are present in all Slavic populations, I would expect them to also have some East med admixture

cosmoo

07-08-2017, 01:03 PM

Crimean Goths were I1-M253 as well (just like Wielbark):

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=48332&page=2&p=1304256&viewfull=1#post1304256
I repeat, those samples tested so far are too northwest to be Goths in that time period.
Didn't you say modern samples don't matter at all? Seems you are just cherrypicking whatever fits you.

Rethel

07-08-2017, 01:06 PM

I repeat, those samples tested so far are too northwest to be Goths in that time period.
Didn't you say modern samples don't matter at all? Seems you are just cherrypicking whatever fits you.

Litwin just reported what he read.
It is not his interpretation.

Lucas

07-08-2017, 02:34 PM

because every single population in Europe except Finnish Sami have it(even Finns/Estonians). It was in Bell Beakers, the highest coverage Anglo-Saxons/Britons, in all neolithic farmers(although if you don't have atleast a 2:1 West Med to East Med ratio you likely have post-neolithic MENA ancestry). You can't be admixed with neolithic farmers if you don't have East Med(of course, there are samples known to have neolithic farmer admixture without East Med, but again this is due to low SNP coverage).

.

My father results in K15. No East-Med at all...

Half Mazovia / Half Central Poland.

North_Sea 21.05
Atlantic 18.79
Baltic 30.28
Eastern_Euro 20.15
West_Med 4.61
West_Asian 3.64
East_Med -
Red_Sea 0.54
South_Asian 0.29
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.65

Markowice_7
North_Sea 12.20
Atlantic 17.33
Baltic 39.91
Eastern_Euro 24.00
West_Med 5.54
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.02

Eutest

father

SOUTH_BALTIC 31.60
EAST_EURO 21.08
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 20.24
ATLANTIC 14.44
WEST_MED 7.30
EAST_MED -
WEST_ASIAN 4.92
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 0.20
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.22

Dick

07-08-2017, 02:39 PM

Anyone sure Jordanes writings were accurate? He also claimed all slavs descend from serbs I guess he meant sorbs

Rethel

07-08-2017, 03:15 PM

Anyone sure Jordanes writings were accurate? He also claimed all slavs descend from serbs I guess he meant sorbs

He claimed that all Slavs came from Veneds.

Dick

07-08-2017, 03:21 PM

He claimed that all Slavs came from Veneds.

Vienna Venetians it all makes sense

Peterski

07-08-2017, 04:25 PM

My father results in K15. No East-Med at all...

Half Mazovia / Hal Central Poland.

North_Sea 21.05
Atlantic 18.79
Baltic 30.28
Eastern_Euro 20.15
West_Med 4.61
West_Asian 3.64
East_Med -
Red_Sea 0.54
South_Asian 0.29
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.65

Markowice_7
North_Sea 12.20
Atlantic 17.33
Baltic 39.91
Eastern_Euro 24.00
West_Med 5.54
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.02

Eutest

father

SOUTH_BALTIC 31.60
EAST_EURO 21.08
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 20.24
ATLANTIC 14.44
WEST_MED 7.30
EAST_MED -
WEST_ASIAN 4.92
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 0.20
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.22

Xenophobic Prussian, if you score East_Med time to change name to XenophobicPalestinian. :laugh:

Karol Klačansky

07-08-2017, 05:42 PM

My father results in K15. No East-Med at all...

Half Mazovia / Half Central Poland.

North_Sea21.05
Atlantic18.79
Baltic30.28
Eastern_Euro20.15
West_Med4.61
West_Asian3.64
East_Med-
Red_Sea0.54
South_Asian0.29
Southeast_Asian-
Siberian-
Amerindian-
Oceanian-
Northeast_African-
Sub-Saharan0.65

Markowice_7
North_Sea12.20
Atlantic17.33
Baltic39.91
Eastern_Euro24.00
West_Med5.54
West_Asian-
East_Med-
Red_Sea-
South_Asian-
Southeast_Asian-
Siberian-
Amerindian-
Oceanian-
Northeast_African-
Sub-Saharan1.02

Eutest

father

SOUTH_BALTIC31.60
EAST_EURO21.08
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO20.24
ATLANTIC14.44
WEST_MED7.30
EAST_MED-
WEST_ASIAN4.92
MIDDLE_EASTERN-
SOUTH_ASIAN-
EAST_AFRICAN0.20
EAST_ASIAN-
SIBERIAN-
WEST_AFRICAN0.22

Still ur father has the west Asian component yet Markowice none.

Lucas

07-08-2017, 05:44 PM

Still ur father has the west Asian component yet Markowice none.

Yes. But it's not east-med. I'm not talking that my father is Markowice twin:)

Karol Klačansky

07-08-2017, 05:48 PM

Yes. But it's not east-med. I'm not talking that my father is Markowice twin:)
Yes but west Asian and east med are related components. I would expect original slavs to also carry traces of this. It's surprising to me if they don't. Still sometimes I wonder if the original slavs already were broken up into some different groups. Maybe more northern slavs in Slavic Homeland were Baltic and southern type were Ukrainian more.

Peterski

07-08-2017, 06:06 PM

Yes but west Asian and east med are related components.

Not necessarily. They are two different components. And XenophobicPrussian was also wrong when he claimed that all of Neolithic and Post-Neolithic Europeans have East_Med in Eurogenes K15:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214422-Eurogenes-K15-PCA&p=4501467&viewfull=1#post4501467

For example K15 results of North Italian Remedello culture, RISE487 (3483-3107 BC):

Population
North_Sea 0.15
Atlantic 42.42
Baltic 2.54
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 54.89
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Oracle results:

Kit T699825

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 54.89
2 Atlantic 42.42
3 Baltic 2.54
4 North_Sea 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 24.7
2 French_Basque 30.85
3 Spanish_Aragon 34.13
4 Southwest_French 34.24
5 Spanish_Andalucia 34.73
6 Spanish_Cantabria 34.76
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 35.2
8 Spanish_Valencia 35.9
9 Spanish_Extremadura 38.18
10 Spanish_Murcia 38.32
11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 38.33
12 Spanish_Cataluna 38.94
13 Portuguese 39.16
14 Spanish_Galicia 40.15
15 North_Italian 40.25
16 Tuscan 43.94
17 French 46.28
18 West_Sicilian 47.4
19 Greek 48.58
20 Mozabite_Berber 49.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% Sardinian + 34.8% French_Basque @ 21.77
2 82.6% Sardinian + 17.4% Southwest_French @ 24.16
3 83.8% Sardinian + 16.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 24.26
4 86.4% Sardinian + 13.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 24.39
5 88.6% Sardinian + 11.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 24.48
6 91.6% Sardinian + 8.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 24.58
7 92.1% Sardinian + 7.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 24.61
8 97.7% Sardinian + 2.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.69
9 98.8% Sardinian + 1.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 24.7
10 100% Sardinian + 0% Irish @ 24.7
11 100% Sardinian + 0% Abhkasian @ 24.7
12 100% Sardinian + 0% Adygei @ 24.7
13 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 24.7
14 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 24.7
15 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 24.7
16 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 24.7
17 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 24.7
18 100% Sardinian + 0% Algerian @ 24.7
19 100% Sardinian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 24.7
20 100% Sardinian + 0% Altaian @ 24.7

War Chef

07-09-2017, 03:20 AM

Woah. Pretty cool stuff. I remember some anthrotards were arguing how Wielbark was just some Prussian-like tribe, not Goths. This should shut them up good.

http://i.imgur.com/TcWdbZN.jpg

http://www.portel.pl/kultura/jak-wygladali-goci-z-weklic/53277

Dick

07-09-2017, 03:22 AM

War Chef

07-09-2017, 03:23 AM

Looks like a mixture of Bell beaker and Nordic.

It looks like some guy I know who's of German-Swedish descent.

Dick

07-09-2017, 03:25 AM

It looks like some guy I know who's of German-Swedish descent.

That would make sense too.

Dick

07-09-2017, 03:31 AM

Dick

07-09-2017, 03:48 AM

Woah. Pretty cool stuff. I remember some anthrotards were arguing how Wielbark was just some Prussian-like tribe, not Goths. This should shut them up good.

Anthrotards would probably classify him as "keltic nordid" which is basically Corded nordid+Bell beaker. Coon's example is more on the Bell beaker side while the reconstruction os more on the Corded side but similar in my opinion.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe294.jpg

Another good example of Corded Nordic/Battle Axe+Bell beaker is Dick Van Dyke.

http://clickamericana.com/wp-content/uploads/dick-van-dyke-60s-70s-1-400x400.jpg

Lucas

07-09-2017, 11:21 AM

Pahli

07-09-2017, 11:25 AM

Peterski

07-09-2017, 11:42 AM

Here I posted a little summary of Y-DNA samples known so far:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214934-Y-DNA-from-Iron-Age-amp-Early-Medieval-Poland&p=4503047&viewfull=1#post4503047

Peterski

07-09-2017, 12:08 PM

This I1a3 from Iron Age Poland (Wielbark) does not confirm Scandinavian origin of Goths:

KO_55, Poland, Wielbark culture, Kowalewko (100-300 AD), I1a3a1a1-Y6626

See below:

https://aleximreh.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/goth1.png?w=768

From Eupedia:

"(...) It corresponds to the Z63+ subclade. I1a3-Z63+ subclade is virtually absent from Nordic countries. It is most common in Central Germany, the Benelux, England, Lowland Scotland, as well as Poland. It has also been found in Russia, Ukraine, the Balkans, Italy, Spain and Portugal. Y2245.2+ makes up a big part of the Z63 in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the Balkans, Italy and Iberia. It could have been spread by the Goths. BY351+ is a subclade found in Portugal, Spain, Italy (including Sardinia). It was probably spread by the Visigoths and Ostrogoths. (...)"

Peterski

07-09-2017, 12:29 PM

Looks like a Polish thug lmfao

I swear I saw that guy at the bus stop once.

Pahli

07-09-2017, 12:39 PM

I swear I saw that guy at the bus stop once.

He could even be Danish lmfao

Peterski

07-09-2017, 12:49 PM

We already talked about it before:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?194102-The-visigothic-phenotype&p=4036586&viewfull=1#post4036586

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?194102-The-visigothic-phenotype&p=4036589&viewfull=1#post4036589

Dick

07-09-2017, 03:10 PM

Peterski

07-10-2017, 03:18 PM

ME_7, Markowice (1000-1200 AD), I1a2a2a5-Y5384

He is one of these peasant skeletons shown here:

http://strzelno3.bloog.pl/id,342547295,title,Odkrycia-archeologiczne-w-Markowicach,index.html?smoybbtticaid=6197b0

Leżące na najżyźniejszych glebach naszej gminy Markowice, zdają się swymi korzeniami sięgać bardzo odległych wieków. Bliskość Niemojewka i związane z tą miejscowością znaleziska, upewniają nas, że u zarania państwowości polskiej Markowice stanowić mogły wykształconą już osadę. Dotychczasowe znalezisko zdaje się utwierdzić moje domysły zawarte w tejże książce, że początki Markowic, jako wykształconej wsi i to dużej wsi sięgają początków chrześcijaństwa na tym terenie. Jednakże dopiero końcowe wyniki badań pozwolą na pełniejszy wgląd w pozostałości po pradziejowym osadnictwie na tym obszarze.

http://pu.i.wp.pl/bloog/94156279/48363111/DSC_0543_VH_big.jpg

An Early Medieval I2a-Din peasant (?) was also found:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6522-Early-Medieval-aDNA-from-Poland-coming-soon&p=257687&viewfull=1#post257687

NA_13, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621

=======================

Markowice are Group NE (rural settlements), as for Niemcza I'm not sure if they are NE or E:

http://s4.postimg.org/cnzq9ygcd/Piast_realm.png

I've heard rumours / leaks about 2 samples from Group E (Elites) who are R1a.

Including one R1a-M458>L260 and one undetermined branch of R1a.

Meanwhile, Markowice I1-M253 is Non-Elites for sure, and Niemcza probably too.

The Piasts are confirmed R1b.

So far we have R1b Royalty > R1a Elites > other haplogroups in rural settlements.

One R1a is from a high-ranking aristocrat associated with the Komes of Wrocław:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komes

This R1a is not from the Komes himself, but from one of his high-ranking nobiles.

As for the Komes himself, I don't know what was his Y-DNA but he was also tested.

Peterski

07-12-2017, 03:55 PM

About Vandals who stayed in Poland (probably the same applied to Goths):

From Procopius, History of the Wars, III, xxii, 13-16:

"(...) Now as for those Vandals who remained in their native land, neither remembrance nor any name of them has been preserved to my time. (...) they were either overpowered by the neighbouring barbarians or they were mingled with them [Slavs] not at all unwillingly and their name gave way to that of their conquerors. Indeed, when the Vandals were conquered at that time by Belisarius, no thought occurred to them to go from there to their ancestral homes. For they were not able to convey themselves suddenly from Libya to Europe, especially as they had no ships at hand, but paid the penalty [2] there for all the wrongs they had done the Romans and especially the Zacynthians. (...)"

[2] In Arcana, 18, 5 ff., Procopius estimates the number of the Vandals in Africa, at the time of Belisarius, at 80,000 males, and intimates that practically all perished.

Rethel

07-12-2017, 04:11 PM

and intimates that practically all perished.

One did run to Kamerun, and founded local
V88 branch of Wandalans around his Hausa :)

Wrong

07-12-2017, 10:29 PM

https://i.gyazo.com/2de1c85c4c81ad7ff213f4080ce24c49.jpg

Peterski

07-12-2017, 10:31 PM

^^^ Poles built the Bosnian Pyramids!

Peterski

07-13-2017, 01:25 AM

"Archaeology of Early Medieval Poland" by Andrzej Buko (English edition):

https://brego-weard.com/lib/ns/The_Archaeology_of_Early_Medieval_Poland_Discov.pd f

https://books.google.pl/books?id=i6A3Q1WQIroC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=Vladimir+went+to+Lachs+981&source=bl&ots=yLsVDe3ADn&sig=UcFvganPG-vlrKDE0FeCA2ECakw&hl=pl&sa=X&ei=G1KkU9epGe-h7AaA7IH4Dw&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Vladimir%20went%20to%20Lachs%20981&f=false

Rethel

07-14-2017, 10:08 PM

Quite interesting lecture about the cementary in Bodzia from
the period 965-1035 where were find people from everywhere,
and they were quite rich. Franks, Moravians, Rusins, Northmen,
maybe also Chazars migriting to Kuyavia. It would be interesting
to test them to see, what DNA they brought here.

Russkie had I1.
(Tyrolian autosomaly???)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGq3tF4Xt5g

Roy

03-22-2021, 01:22 AM

Since it's 900-1000 AD, maybe Magyars? Poland has 10% N1c from somewhere. Probably more Magyar admixture than Hungary.

No, it has to be from Balts.

Roy

03-22-2021, 01:24 AM

Artek

03-23-2021, 10:05 PM

Lucas

03-23-2021, 10:11 PM

Just to heat up an atmosphere a bit: there are going to be many more results coming from the Goths in what is now Poland including also R1a-Z284 and at least two Z280s but samples are predominantly I1 so far (mostly under S2077 with one L22). I can't say when it becomes public though.

We are talking about old good one Figlerowicz study or something new?:)

Artek

03-23-2021, 10:13 PM

We are talking about old good one Figlerowicz study or something new?:)

Something new. It goes from a Neolithic up to the Medieval period.

Lucas

03-23-2021, 10:17 PM

Something new. It goes from a Neolithic up to the Medieval period.

Łódź or Warszawa this time?

Black Wolf

03-26-2021, 04:33 AM

Something new. It goes from a Neolithic up to the Medieval period.

Interesting....Are there and Y-DNA haplogroup J2a samples among the results do you know?

Peterski

03-26-2021, 08:51 PM

Łódź or Warszawa this time?

Hej czy otrzymałeś moją dzisiejszą prywatną wiadomość tutaj?

Peterski

03-26-2021, 09:46 PM

Any dates?

Oh yes, VERY SOON, they are genotyping it now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mYqY5YELd0

Peterski

03-29-2021, 10:29 PM

Just to heat up an atmosphere a bit: there are going to be many more results coming from the Goths in what is now Poland including also R1a-Z284 and at least two Z280s but samples are predominantly I1 so far (mostly under S2077 with one L22). I can't say when it becomes public though.

Z280s are probably assimilated Pre-Germanic locals, or maybe assimilated West Balts (in terms of direct paternal ancestry at least).

Pine

03-29-2021, 10:44 PM

Oh yes, VERY SOON, they are genotyping it now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mYqY5YELd0

Then they need to analyze them, write it all up, pass peer review, wait for the next publication date, and finally get the BAMs online. See you all back in 2022.

TheOldNorth

03-29-2021, 11:23 PM

well I guess this is the moment we've all been waiting for to see if the Lugii tribe was celtic or not

Lucas

03-30-2021, 01:43 PM

well I guess this is the moment we've all been waiting for to see if the Lugii tribe was celtic or not

Maybe second institution will do it faster. Poznan is lazy as fuck.

Rethel

03-30-2021, 07:27 PM

Lugii tribe was celtic or not

Was. At least the original ones. The name says it itself.
The thing is, if they did include into confederation non-Celts or not.
Probably they did, so, genetic material can be not clear, if they did not
encamped separetely by hgs. Au probably will say nothing, because it is
very hard to imagine, that they were autosomally isolating themselves.

vbnetkhio

03-30-2021, 09:37 PM

Then they need to analyze them, write it all up, pass peer review, wait for the next publication date, and finally get the BAMs online. See you all back in 2022.

there are already BAMs of ancient Polish samples here, but nobody knows how to convert them :noidea:
http://gigadb.org/dataset/view/id/100310/Sample_sort/taxonomic_id/File_sort/type_id/File_page/1

TheOldNorth

03-30-2021, 10:52 PM

Was. At least the original ones. The name says it itself.
The thing is, if they did include into confederation non-Celts or not.
Probably they did, so, genetic material can be not clear, if they did not
encamped separetely by hgs. Au probably will say nothing, because it is
very hard to imagine, that they were autosomally isolating themselves.

true, but if more central european or eastern european or something absorbed into one or both is revealed to be prevalent in the early samples, then we may gain insight, after all, though Lugii certainly sounds celtic, who's to say it isn't a latin or celtic corruption of a more balto-slavic sounding word

Artek

04-02-2021, 08:03 AM

there are already BAMs of ancient Polish samples here, but nobody knows how to convert them :noidea:
http://gigadb.org/dataset/view/id/100310/Sample_sort/taxonomic_id/File_sort/type_id/File_page/1

These .BAMs were already analysed by the community. They are just of a sh*tty quality.

vbnetkhio

04-03-2021, 08:47 AM

These .BAMs were already analysed by the community. They are just of a sh*tty quality.

these are higher quality versions, and also many samples which weren't published previously on the other website.

Artek

04-07-2021, 07:44 AM

these are higher quality versions, and also many samples which weren't published previously on the other website.

These are the old BAM files, I can see the dates of an upload.

vbnetkhio

04-07-2021, 01:55 PM

These are the old BAM files, I can see the dates of an upload.

They were uploaded long ago, but nobody has converted them yet.

these are the older bams, which were already analyzed by the community:
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AB9sVPAGzZvekAU&id=9FE9F083531F3F5D%21538&cid=9FE9F083531F3F5D

GalenStark

04-07-2021, 06:43 PM

Something new. It goes from a Neolithic up to the Medieval period.

How many samples? Any M458 at any stage in history?

Theres a L1029 coming soon from Iron Age Bohemia. His admixture was Scandinavian like supposedly which makes me think he moved into Czechia from Poland. So, theoretically it should be found in Poland eventually. Assiming Davidski is correct on the La Tene R-L1029 sample.

Artek

04-08-2021, 07:58 AM

How many samples? Any M458 at any stage in history?

Theres a L1029 coming soon from Iron Age Bohemia. His admixture was Scandinavian like supposedly which makes me think he moved into Czechia from Poland. So, theoretically it should be found in Poland eventually. Assiming Davidski is correct on the La Tene R-L1029 sample.

Few dozens, I don't know an exact number of samples. M458 appears in medieval samples.

GalenStark

04-08-2021, 10:12 AM

Few dozens, I don't know an exact number of samples. M458 appears in medieval samples.

Do we know if its early medieval? Pre-migration?

Given the L1029 in Iron Age Czechia l, it had to have moved in from somewhere. Probably north.

Artek

04-09-2021, 08:21 AM

Do we know if its early medieval? Pre-migration?

Given the L1029 in Iron Age Czechia l, it had to have moved in from somewhere. Probably north.

Proper medieval, post-migration like VIII-XV centuries. I don't know if there is for sure any L1029 in pre-slavic Czechia. Davidski is not an Y-DNA specialist, he doesn't even knew his own subclade of R1a when I asked him (though he may have good sources).

GalenStark

04-09-2021, 09:32 PM

Proper medieval, post-migration like VIII-XV centuries. I don't know if there is for sure any L1029 in pre-slavic Czechia. Davidski is not an Y-DNA specialist, he doesn't even knew his own subclade of R1a when I asked him (though he may have good sources).

Well that doesn't help much. Pre migration would help.

Davidski was correct in calling out the M458 found in Hallstatt before the paper released. Everyone tried dismissing it as middle ages and turned our wrong when it was confirmed Iron Age. He's been correct in a number of other things as well.

Assuming his statement is correct(which was insider info he gathered, not determined himself), there is at least one R-L1029 in IA Czechia coming in a La Tene paper soon, that was "modern Scandinavian-like" in admixture.

This twisted notion that most R1a was exclusively land locked up to the 6th century until the Slavic migrations sounds like baloney to fit an agenda.

Artek

04-11-2021, 08:31 PM

Assuming his statement is correct(which was insider info he gathered, not determined himself), there is at least one R-L1029 in IA Czechia coming in a La Tene paper soon, that was "modern Scandinavian-like" in admixture.

This twisted notion that most R1a was exclusively land locked up to the 6th century until the Slavic migrations sounds like baloney to fit an agenda.

R1a in the area wasn't necessarily restricted either to Slavs nor Balts but could have belonged to various post-corded people part of whom later adopted leading slavic or baltic linguistic and cultural package, whereas other part adopted a different package (early Celtic or Germanic) and/or got extinct. I look forward to this result though I don't think that will be a real game changer, unless we find many more of them in La Tene or related context.

The main questions from me for now are:
will it fit the date of formation of L1029 or TMRCA
was L1029 itself called (with how many reads) or just a phyloequivalent (L1029 makes a block now).

If L1029 was still largely re-introduced by the Slavic people it still makes the biggest bulk of L1029 Slavic, though with a different origins in the middle (a similar case is theorised for so-called I2-"Din"). The nuances will make the whole story interesting though (the knowledge that even in case of the young clades it was not so simple as previously thought).

GalenStark

04-11-2021, 10:30 PM

R1a in the area wasn't necessarily restricted either to Slavs nor Balts but could have belonged to various post-corded people part of whom later adopted leading slavic or baltic linguistic and cultural package, whereas other part adopted a different package (early Celtic or Germanic) and/or got extinct. I look forward to this result though I don't think that will be a real game changer, unless we find many more of them in La Tene or related context.

The main questions from me for now are:
will it fit the date of formation of L1029 or TMRCA
was L1029 itself called (with how many reads) or just a phyloequivalent (L1029 makes a block now).

If L1029 was still largely re-introduced by the Slavic people it still makes the biggest bulk of L1029 Slavic, though with a different origins in the middle (a similar case is theorised for so-called I2-"Din"). The nuances will make the whole story interesting though (the knowledge that even in case of the young clades it was not so simple as previously thought).

Well, I don't think it's Celtic. But considering M458 was in Hallstatt I could be wrong. If he has modern Scandinavian like ancestry, I can only think of Przeworzk culture spilling into La Tene. That depends on what the burial and finds show. If the paper goes that far.

I never suggested it was some dominant Celtic line. Personally, if it is La Tene related, I believe that's only Eastern LA Tenr and probably has a dominant Przeworzk origin in the Iron Age. With the collapse of these cultures, many of their elements were absorbed and became part of the Proto-Slavs.

I think R-L1029 and I-Y3120 have a similar neighboring origin and story. They were definitely not originally Balto-Slavic. Z280 has the greatest diversity within Balto-Slavic populations. With the exception of L1029 and some L260, there's really no other clades Slavs belong outside of Poles so far that show the greatest diversity within M458. Regardless of what groups most L1029 expanded with in the early medieval.

It was probably Przeworzk/East La Tene spill over, with the remnants taking part in Proto-Slavic ethnogenesis.

The important thing will be if it is almost fully formed L1029, or if its partial and closer to formation like you say. Supposedly this is La Tene era though. So the sample would have lived between 500-50BCE. So, there is a chance it's related. L1029 and M458 is generally very common right where this Iron Age sample with the same line is found.

Also, if its at the same level as modern L1029, I think branches will make a big difference. The strong correlation with Slavs is within YP417 primarily, YP263 secondarily, and a number of other lines. But that will depend as samples grow.

Lucas

04-18-2021, 06:10 PM

Finally in G25:)

Kowalewko (KKO) samples. Don't know still which original number it is. But what we see is predominantly Germanic.

From Eurogenes blog comment

Thanks. Migration:1 is POH44.
The rest has abysmal quality as they certainly don't have any Tibetan or MAR_EN admixture. And they behave very inconsistently across various dimensions in G25 and in the other PCA. In the classical WE PCA they look completely different than in G25.

These are BTW "deep sequencing" BAMs from Kowalewko.

Not so deep after all.

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vbnetkhio

04-18-2021, 06:11 PM

Finally in G25:)

Kowalewko (KKO) samples. Don't know still which original number it is. But what we see is predominantly Germanic.

From Eurogenes blog comment

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1.14716607 NO_Vestlandet
1.15971634 DK_Funen
1.17866662 SE_Vastra-Gotaland
1.18575883 SE_Svealand
1.20217428 NO_Midt-Norge
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Distance to: KKO5
2.49043430 CZ_Sudetenland
2.50161368 HU_Transdanubia
2.52351679 AT_Austria
2.53645836 DE_Rheinland-Pfalz
2.54699804 HU_South-Great-Plain
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Distance to: KKO4
1.63661052 GB_England
1.65704918 GB_Scotland-Hebrides
1.66533720 IRL_Galway
1.66809142 GB_Wales-Powys
1.67509701 GB_Orkney-Islands

Distance to: KKO3
1.03315584 SE_Sweden-Gotland
1.13113041 SE_Sweden-Medelpad
1.14606457 SE_Sweden-Oland
1.16702785 NO_Troms
1.27934514 SE_Norrbotten

Distance to: KKO2 (very poor quality)
2.53631544 FR_Burgundy-Franche-Comte
2.58094653 FR_Grand-Est
2.61340372 CZ_Sudetenland

Distance to: KKO1
1.02895481 DK_Lolland
1.07211147 SE_South-Sweden
1.07791465 NO_Midt-Norge
1.07899259 NO_Norway
1.10974006 NO_Vestlandet

those are the Kowalewko from gigadb??

Lucas

04-18-2021, 06:40 PM

those are the Kowalewko from gigadb??

I guess. Arza from Eurogenes comment section gave it to Davidski.

smd555

04-18-2021, 06:56 PM

Kowalewko - Przeworsk culture?

vbnetkhio

04-18-2021, 07:30 PM

Kowalewko - Przeworsk culture?
if those are the same files you've just downloaded, then those are Goths/Wielbark culture.

Archaeological siteIDSample no.Sample no. that passed selectionDatingDate of excavationStorage conditionsSample type
Roman Age group
KowalewkoKO5848100–300 AD1990sLong depositTooth
MasłomęczMZ2724200–400 AD1970–1990Long depositTooth
Medieval group
SowinkiSI21191000–1100 AD1980sLong depositTooth
NiemczaNA3631900–1000 AD1960sLong depositTooth
MarkowiceME881000–1200 AD2014Arch. siteTooth
GnieznoGO221000–1200 AD1980sLong depositTooth
ŁęgowoLO981000–1200 AD2013–2015Short depositTooth

https://i.imgur.com/dmLc0DR.png

Lucas

04-18-2021, 07:36 PM

Kowalewko - Przeworsk culture?

Wielbark culture

smd555

04-18-2021, 07:54 PM

Interesting. In maps I have seen Wielbark culture was located much to the east, in the Vistula valley.

Rethel

04-18-2021, 08:02 PM

Any new hgs?

andre

04-18-2021, 08:12 PM

Nice! Someone know the y-dna?
And could someone make an average of those samples?

vbnetkhio

04-18-2021, 08:22 PM

most overlap with Swedish BA/IA, and Migration2 is probably a remnant of the Tollensee population?

https://i.imgur.com/Q9ca41J.png

Peterski

04-18-2021, 09:00 PM

and Migration2 is probably a remnant of the Tollensee population?

Migration2 are Goths from Kowalewko in Poland.

vbnetkhio

04-18-2021, 09:07 PM

Migration2 are Goths from Kowalewko in Poland.

Yeah, I meant the "Migration:2" sample could have admixture from the pre-Gothic population of the area ,while the rest are purely Germanic?

btw, check your inbox, gigadb isn't region blocked. It works, but only in internet explorer (not edge).

Lucas

04-19-2021, 08:47 AM

Yeah, I meant the "Migration:2" sample could have admixture from the pre-Gothic population of the area ,while the rest are purely Germanic?

btw, check your inbox, gigadb isn't region blocked. It works, but only in internet explorer (not edge).

It works in Firefox for me like a charm:)

vbnetkhio

04-19-2021, 08:59 AM

It works in Firefox for me like a charm:)

i would swear it didn't work before.
i guess the gigadb staff are reading apricity and fixed their page, lol.

vbnetkhio

04-29-2021, 03:47 PM

These are the old BAM files, I can see the dates of an upload.

it seems Peterski(?) has started analyzing these samples.

https://slavicorigins.blogspot.com/2021/04/ancient-dna-from-medieval-poland.html
https://slavicorigins.blogspot.com/2021/04/wielbark-culture-y-dna.html

told ya they were real :D

Ajeje Brazorf

11-07-2023, 01:48 PM

Iron Age samples

POL_Czarnowko_IA:PCA0452__AD_200__Cov_10.27%,0.117 238,0.142174,0.081081,0.066215,0.047086,0.031794,0 .002585,0.009461,-0.000205,-0.003462,0.004547,0.003597,0.002527,-0.006193,0.022937,0.011005,-0.001695,-0.0019,0.007165,0.019009,0.011729,-0.00272,-0.005916,0,-0.017723
POL_Gaski_IA:PCA0011__BC_50__Cov_28.25%,0.127482,0 .128972,0.060716,0.057494,0.036622,0.015339,0.0072 85,-0.003923,0.000614,0.001276,-0.004872,-0.001349,-0.015758,-0.009221,0.020358,0.005701,-0.00339,0.001647,0.003394,0.008629,0.003119,0.0112 52,0.012325,0.013134,-0.002754
POL_Gaski_IA_oEEF:PCA0012__BC_50__Cov_18.40%,0.134 311,0.145221,0.054682,0.030685,0.050163,0.007809,-0.00141,0.006,0.013908,0.01877,-0.003085,0.01154,-0.01115,-0.007982,0.013843,0.011138,0.005215,0.006588,0.006 536,-0.001626,-0.001373,0.001731,-0.000616,-0.001446,-0.00012
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0007__AD_200__Cov_11.21%,0.125 205,0.141159,0.078818,0.074613,0.052933,0.030957,0 .001645,0.018692,0.004704,0.004374,0.010718,-0.000599,-0.013231,-0.009358,0.018865,0.007027,-0.036638,-0.014062,0.002137,0.012506,-0.000749,0.018548,0.008134,0.014701,-0.006586
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0018__AD_200__Cov_11.50%,0.128 62,0.118817,0.069013,0.071383,0.048932,0.003904,0. 012221,0.023537,0.005727,-0.013485,0.000974,0.003897,-0.003717,-0.018579,0.023751,0.010475,0.02021,-0.005448,0.008422,0.01013,0.009982,0.002349,0.0093 67,0.017111,-0.006586
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0026__AD_200__Cov_19.49%,0.133 173,0.125926,0.07203,0.056848,0.053548,0.012271,0. 007285,0.000462,-0.004704,-0.006925,0.001137,-0.006894,-0.008622,-0.002202,0.029044,-0.015778,-0.031553,0.000633,0.003142,0.002001,0.007237,0,-0.007888,0.0194,0.00467
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0027__AD_200__Cov_26.91%,0.132 035,0.119832,0.073539,0.067507,0.054164,0.03263,0. 011045,0.009923,0.007567,-0.004191,-0.012017,-0.000749,-0.001933,0.003991,0.007872,0.0118,-0.002217,0.017103,-0.000503,0.001626,0.004991,0.001607,0.000493,0.003 494,-0.007305
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0028__AD_200__Cov_39.89%,0.125 205,0.133034,0.081835,0.067507,0.048009,0.012829,0 .00799,0.006,0.006545,-0.003645,-0.007145,0.000599,-0.006244,0.000413,0.021987,0.008486,-0.00352,-0.000633,0.003017,0.013381,0.011105,0.00779,0.0086 27,0.011809,0.005508
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0030__AD_200__Cov_35.75%,0.132 035,0.129988,0.063733,0.063308,0.04647,0.012829,0. 014336,0.009923,-0.000614,-0.009294,-0.010068,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.009634,0.017236,0.009149,-0.015516,0.013556,0.00352,0.004877,0.011605,0.0160 75,0.005669,0.02181,0.001437
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0031__AD_200__Cov_15.83%,0.113 823,0.126941,0.062602,0.050065,0.044931,0.013945,0 .000705,0.020999,0,-0.016401,-0.014128,-0.010041,-0.000595,-0.014863,0.017644,0.013259,0.02047,0.010642,-0.008045,0.006253,0.009234,-0.009892,-0.004807,0.008435,0.003712
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0034__AD_200__Cov_13.03%,0.125 205,0.117801,0.060716,0.055233,0.041546,0.015339,-0.01034,0.008538,0.003068,-0.007289,-0.00747,-0.005995,-0.004906,-0.012111,0.012758,0.0118,0.035856,0.002534,-0.01345,0.010505,-0.004617,-0.016569,-0.020582,0.019521,0.007065
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0036__AD_200__Cov_15.34%,0.129 758,0.121864,0.071276,0.052003,0.0437,0.030399,0.0 17156,0.005769,0.004909,-0.01057,-0.004384,0.010641,-0.022894,0.004266,0.029316,0.009149,-0.005346,0.013809,0.004399,0.005127,0.01959,-0.012984,-0.000246,0.003735,-0.013172
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0040__AD_200__Cov_17.76%,0.137 726,0.136081,0.067127,0.064277,0.023389,0.015339,0 ,0.008769,0,-0.008018,-0.012017,0.004346,0.001189,-0.009496,0.017779,0.012861,-0.009257,-0.005954,0.011941,0.004377,0.007487,-0.004575,0.006286,0.015665,0.002036
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0044__AD_200__Cov_10.79%,0.141 141,0.13405,0.075801,0.050388,0.027697,0.021475,0. 001645,-0.001385,-0.007976,-0.009476,-0.00747,-0.004496,-0.005946,-0.007982,0.017372,-0.004773,-0.021513,0.016596,0.020112,-0.002501,0.004492,0.002102,0.00493,0.023497,0.0002 39
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0046__AD_200__Cov_81.13%,0.136 588,0.120848,0.067127,0.062985,0.040007,0.029562,0 .00799,0.010846,0.006545,-0.014397,-0.002273,0,0.001635,-0.006193,0.016829,0.0179,0.006258,0.003294,0.00113 1,0.009129,0.003369,0.009769,-0.003328,0.016026,0.000359
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0049__AD_200__Cov_12.24%,0.125 205,0.122879,0.060716,0.057171,0.03416,0.039324,-0.00423,0.009,-0.009613,-0.011116,-0.000325,-0.009442,-0.008622,0.011285,0.012079,-0.003713,-0.00678,0.01647,0.004902,0.015007,0.009733,0.01483 8,-0.013311,0.008917,0.005389
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0050__AD_200__Cov_12.34%,0.138 864,0.119832,0.07467,0.064923,0.043085,0.027889,0. 00658,0.016615,-0.013294,-0.012939,-0.007795,-0.002997,-0.008771,0.000688,0.027958,0.012994,-0.004433,-0.010262,0.020237,0.00075,-0.002496,0.002968,-0.008627,0.005904,-0.001078
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0051__AD_200__Cov_14.06%,0.128 62,0.135065,0.062602,0.082042,0.053241,0.028168,0. 010105,0.003461,-0.003272,-0.003462,-0.011042,-0.001948,-0.002379,-0.005918,0.015744,0.023999,0.008996,-0.004941,-0.000628,0.012381,-0.003743,-0.010758,-0.011709,0.026751,-0.001078
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0052__AD_200__Cov_13.55%,0.126 344,0.14319,0.070522,0.058786,0.045547,0.022311,-0.004935,0.011999,-0.001432,-0.013121,-0.002923,0.004196,0.004014,-0.003578,-0.007736,0.004508,-0.01343,0.003674,0.008547,0.007379,0.006489,-0.000618,-0.011832,0.02169,0.004431
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0056__AD_200__Cov_11.37%,0.135 449,0.132019,0.076555,0.085272,0.043393,0.021753,0 .010105,0.002077,0.007976,-0.006743,0.000812,0.008842,-0.003865,-0.004679,0.016829,-0.002917,-0.007693,0.002914,0.013701,0.008504,0.013476,0.001 237,0.00456,0.018798,-0.015448
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0059__AD_200__Cov_78.42%,0.119 514,0.13405,0.07203,0.056202,0.045239,0.019243,-0.00141,0.005769,0.009613,-0.013485,0.001786,0.002698,-0.006541,-0.00289,0.008958,0.018563,0.016037,0.001014,0.0002 51,0.015758,0.004742,0.003957,-0.001109,0.021931,-0.003473
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0060__AD_200__Cov_71.91%,0.125 205,0.125926,0.078064,0.060724,0.041546,0.025937,0 .009635,0.009,0.000614,-0.006378,-0.01088,0.002248,0.003865,-0.013487,0.009772,0.019358,0.016168,-0.003674,0.007668,0.006128,0.012478,0.004204,0.011 216,0.013255,-0.000239
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0062__AD_200__Cov_27.16%,0.125 205,0.119832,0.066373,0.053618,0.036314,0.025937,0 .00564,0.014769,-0.004909,-0.002734,-0.004222,0.006145,-0.008028,-0.008533,0.008007,0.001458,-0.010561,0.010515,0.012318,-0.005253,0.005865,0.008656,-0.001972,0.015785,-0.003952
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0063__AD_200__Cov_28.45%,0.132 035,0.139128,0.069767,0.062016,0.04924,0.020359,0. 008695,0.008538,-0.001636,-0.006014,-0.009581,-0.004346,-0.013528,-0.000413,0.014929,0.014452,-0.008475,-0.003421,0.002891,0.006628,0.002246,0.005564,0.000 493,0.002289,0.004191
POL_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0065__AD_200__Cov_11.62%,0.109 27,0.135065,0.063733,0.065246,0.032929,0.029841,0. 00329,0.005538,0.004295,-0.008747,0.007307,-0.01109,0.004014,0.008945,0.028094,-0.014054,-0.016298,-0.003547,0.005908,-0.001126,-0.003743,-0.003339,0.009983,0.003494,-0.000479
POL_Kowalewko_IA_oEEF-WHG:PCA0015__AD_200__Cov_11.62%,0.125205,0.142174, 0.076555,0.053618,0.048009,0.004741,0.010105,0.012 461,0.006749,0.012574,0.005359,0.003147,-0.011447,-0.014588,0.012486,-0.013392,-0.037551,0.009882,0.027151,0.003502,0.011979,0.021 887,-0.003328,0.008194,-0.002275
POL_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0088__AD_300__Cov_29.37%,0.128 62,0.132019,0.074293,0.062985,0.040007,0.019243,0. 005405,0.007615,0.005318,-0.003098,-0.005846,0.002398,0.002973,0.002477,0.025651,0.013 392,0.001173,0.005194,0.004525,0.013632,0.011105,0 .007296,0.008874,0.00241,-0.003592
POL_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0089__AD_300__Cov_30.27%,0.135 449,0.127957,0.071276,0.065246,0.039084,0.04016,0. 0047,0.01223,0.003068,-0.007107,-0.006333,0.005545,-0.006392,-0.001514,0.016422,0.012729,-0.000391,-0.003041,0.004274,0.001251,-0.001747,-0.000247,-0.002711,0.01217,0.009101
POL_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0092__AD_300__Cov_32.64%,0.124 067,0.137096,0.072784,0.054587,0.030159,0.016176,0 .014806,0.008769,-0.00409,0.000911,-0.001786,0.001199,-0.003568,0.008257,0.013708,0.008486,-0.005867,0.004434,0.007919,0.004627,0.012353,-0.00371,0.010476,0.02169,0.006227
POL_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0094__AD_300__Cov_27.65%,0.136 588,0.128972,0.065242,0.068153,0.04647,0.017849,0. 00564,0.015922,-0.003477,-0.003462,-0.012179,0.001349,-0.007582,-0.014175,0.012215,0.005834,-0.007953,0.005321,0.01257,0.001376,0.0141,0.001237 ,-0.000246,0.005904,0.005149
POL_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0100__AD_300__Cov_91.51%,0.126 344,0.133034,0.078441,0.062016,0.052625,0.023985,0 .006345,0.008769,0.013499,-0.006378,-0.005521,-0.000599,-0.001635,-0.000688,0.023344,0.00053,-0.025555,0.007728,0.008925,0.004627,0.010482,0.010 881,-0.001232,0.009519,-0.002515
POL_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0102__AD_300__Cov_14.17%,0.122 929,0.11577,0.059962,0.06137,0.040007,0.033746,0.0 0047,0.001154,0.005931,-0.008747,-0.022085,-0.001349,-0.00669,0.003303,0.00475,-0.003447,-0.019036,-0.006081,0.014455,0.006753,0.023459,0.01694,0.0093 67,0.003976,-0.004071
POL_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0111__AD_300__Cov_11.59%,0.124 067,0.120848,0.056568,0.042959,0.035699,0.009203,0 .015041,-0.005307,0.001636,-0.008383,-0.016401,0.007793,-0.01115,-0.018166,0.019001,0.009944,-0.003651,-0.005574,0.006285,0.00963,0.006114,0.007666,-0.000863,0.002892,-0.001916
POL_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0114__AD_300__Cov_12.75%,0.120 652,0.137096,0.073539,0.064923,0.029852,0.017291,0 .010105,0.006692,-0.003068,-0.016037,-0.001299,0.008243,-0.000595,-0.00867,0.024294,-0.000265,-0.015776,0.000887,-0.005405,0.015382,0.009109,0.010758,-0.001972,0.003735,-0.009819
POL_Maslomecz_IA_oEastEurope:PCA0103__AD_300__Cov_ 74.27%,0.129758,0.129988,0.076933,0.073321,0.04123 8,0.020638,0.00846,0.014307,0.007772,-0.019864,-0.001786,-0.003897,0.010852,0.017478,-0.006107,-0.010209,-0.014994,-0.008108,0.005782,0.007629,0.003743,0.002102,0.002 342,-0.010604,-0.00455
POL_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA:PCA0472__AD_200__Cov_10.55% ,0.133173,0.125926,0.056945,0.056848,0.042469,0.01 9801,0.014571,-0.003231,0.004909,0.004738,0.003897,0.00045,0.0057 98,-0.025047,0.024022,0.021877,0.011735,-0.002534,-0.001006,0.004002,-0.00025,0.010881,-0.00419,0.027112,0.003113
POL_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA:PCA0478__AD_200__Cov_21.77% ,0.127482,0.136081,0.090132,0.066215,0.043085,0.03 9324,0.00611,0.004615,-0.003681,-0.003098,-0.002111,0.001199,-0.016501,-0.005505,0.016558,-0.004508,-0.000782,-0.000253,0.008045,0.008629,0.00836,0.00136,-0.009367,0.003374,-0.008622
POL_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA:PCA0479__AD_200__Cov_14.63% ,0.125205,0.137096,0.073161,0.063631,0.051394,0.02 1196,0.007285,0.000462,0.00859,0.000729,-0.001137,0.005545,-0.007879,-0.007432,0.019679,0.006232,-0.008866,-0.001267,0.005782,-0.002626,0.007362,0.010881,0.013064,0.003133,0.004 191
POL_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA:PCA0486__AD_200__Cov_17.03% ,0.122929,0.127957,0.078441,0.063631,0.04924,0.022 032,0.019271,0.009923,0.004295,-0.010387,-0.008607,0.010341,-0.002676,-0.011836,0.017915,-0.004773,-0.017602,0.005574,0.004777,0.019009,0.010357,0.008 408,-0.000493,0.011206,0.001796
POL_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA:PCA0498__AD_200__Cov_14.98% ,0.132035,0.13405,0.06675,0.05491,0.042162,0.04629 6,0.00094,0.003461,0.006136,-0.004738,-0.005196,0.014987,0.007582,-0.007432,0.016965,0.008088,-0.002347,-0.00228,0.006913,0.007128,0.00836,-0.000124,-0.006532,0.016508,0.004071
POL_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA_oAnatolia_IA:PCA0492__AD_20 0__Cov_11.35%,0.1161,0.112724,0.036581,0.021964,0. 022466,-0.010598,0.011516,0.005538,-0.003681,0.000729,0.015589,0.013338,-0.012636,-0.019542,0.000814,0.017104,0.004172,0.012289,0.002 263,-0.002876,-0.011355,-0.004204,0.006286,0.008314,-0.021315
POL_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA_oIberianEEF:PCA0493__AD_200 __Cov_12.23%,0.121791,0.123895,0.058077,0.040698,0 .0437,0.011435,0.0047,-0.001846,0.015544,0.028247,0.002273,0.018883,-0.018583,-0.016239,0.012622,0.019888,0.024382,0.002407,-0.007793,0.011631,0.010232,-0.004451,-0.002711,0.00964,-0.004191

Medieval samples

POL_Balczewo_MA:PCA0551__AD_1100__Cov_11.93%,0.129 758,0.123895,0.070144,0.073644,0.055395,0.021753,0 .00235,0.000231,0.001023,-0.019681,-0.00406,-0.000749,0.020218,0.021744,-0.010315,-0.006364,-0.00691,0.003547,0.000251,-0.009254,-0.004617,-0.001607,0.027977,-0.023618,-0.016645
POL_Dziekanowice_22_MA:PCA0354__AD_1100__Cov_57.60 %,0.126344,0.125926,0.085606,0.074613,0.038776,0.0 24542,0.011986,0.012461,-0.003681,-0.027153,-0.001461,-0.009292,0.02438,0.025323,-0.014386,-0.001458,0.011735,-0.003167,-0.000126,-0.001626,-0.004243,-0.00779,0.006409,-0.010965,-0.003952
POL_Dziekanowice_22_MA:PCA0359__AD_1100__Cov_27.40 %,0.138864,0.119832,0.071653,0.07429,0.056318,0.02 7052,0.00517,0.012692,-0.005318,-0.031709,-0.00747,-0.002847,0.0055,0.026011,-0.001764,0.004375,0.012908,-0.004307,0.011061,0.003252,-0.001373,0.008779,-0.006532,-0.007471,0.00467
POL_Konskie_MA:PCA0301__AD_1100__Cov_10.59%,0.1240 67,0.121864,0.068259,0.075582,0.036314,0.018686,0. 016451,0.017538,0.004704,-0.037176,-0.014453,-0.014237,0.028692,0.029451,-0.003257,-0.000133,0.01695,0.004814,0.005028,-0.014757,-0.008485,-0.009398,0.005669,-0.005061,0.011616
POL_Konskie_MA:PCA0309__AD_1100__Cov_18.32%,0.1400 02,0.125926,0.064488,0.069122,0.042777,0.038208,0. 005875,0.017076,-0.001432,-0.022051,0.011854,0.00045,0.013677,0.018029,-0.009093,-0.001193,0.011343,-0.010515,-0.001257,0.010505,0.000374,-0.001978,0.005053,0.000241,-0.010418
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0181__AD_1100__Cov_17.14%,0.134311,0 .123895,0.067882,0.075259,0.048317,0.029841,0.0014 1,0.019615,0.005931,-0.023144,-0.000162,-0.007943,0.017839,0.012386,-0.029451,0.001724,-0.00013,-0.005701,0,-0.007754,-0.001872,0.001607,0.007518,-0.022292,-0.015687
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0182__AD_1100__Cov_11.36%,0.121791,0 .132019,0.084098,0.067507,0.043393,0.033467,0.0063 45,0.000923,0.008385,-0.033349,-0.007632,-0.012289,0.030624,0.024497,-0.014386,-0.006762,0.007041,-0.006208,0.005154,0.01013,-0.008735,-0.010016,0.001972,-0.015062,-0.001796
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0185__AD_1100__Cov_11.06%,0.133173,0 .114755,0.076555,0.077197,0.037853,0.0251,0.00658, 0.020538,0.007772,-0.031162,0.010718,-0.002098,0.002527,0.016515,-0.006786,0.001326,0.004433,-0.001647,0.007039,0.001876,0.000125,-0.0115,0.012818,0.002169,0.012933
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0187__AD_1100__Cov_16.32%,0.135449,0 .129988,0.070144,0.063308,0.04924,0.017849,0.01034 ,0.008538,0.006136,-0.009659,-0.012504,-0.006145,0.01115,0.025323,-0.00665,-0.001061,0.002999,0.005194,0.006662,-0.006628,0.002995,-0.014096,-0.001725,-0.000602,0.013891
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0189__AD_1100__Cov_13.80%,0.12862,0. 127957,0.063733,0.079135,0.038469,0.03012,0.017156 ,0.020076,0.006545,-0.038634,-0.005684,-0.019183,0.009366,0.030827,-0.010179,0.004773,0.011474,-0.010515,0.01169,0.004877,-0.001872,0.002597,-0.002588,-0.008796,-0.000958
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0191__AD_1100__Cov_13.12%,0.1161,0.1 38112,0.065242,0.050065,0.036007,0.024263,0.008225 ,-0.001615,0.003068,-0.020046,-0.006171,-0.019932,0.003865,0.026148,-0.002036,0.009944,0.00013,-0.001774,0.000126,0.008254,0.005116,-0.021021,0.005546,-0.001928,-0.01425
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0192__AD_1100__Cov_14.90%,0.137726,0 .123895,0.072784,0.059109,0.026774,0.019522,0.0044 65,0.019153,-0.007158,-0.017312,-0.006496,-0.005995,0.00892,0.022845,-0.021444,0.006099,0.022035,-0.00266,-0.012696,0.008379,0.00287,-0.009027,0.006286,-0.001084,-0.001796
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0194__AD_1100__Cov_41.11%,0.135449,0 .116786,0.080327,0.07106,0.047701,0.025658,0.00493 5,0.003461,0.009408,-0.029158,-0.013153,-0.009891,0.015312,0.029038,-0.005429,0.001326,0.001173,0.005194,0.010433,-0.001251,-0.008859,-0.003462,0.008134,-0.008314,-0.002036
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0197__AD_1100__Cov_16.69%,0.124067,0 .133034,0.074293,0.070414,0.042469,0.017849,0.0126 91,0.020307,0.000614,-0.028611,0.003897,-0.012139,0.017245,0.020231,-0.010179,0.001989,0.002086,0.00038,0.003142,-0.005753,0.004617,-0.004822,0.004437,-0.003253,0.010538
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0198__AD_1100__Cov_22.83%,0.129758,0 .138112,0.067127,0.070414,0.042469,0.017849,0.0138 66,0.008307,-0.003886,-0.030798,0.000162,-0.005545,0.013974,0.009771,-0.009365,0.005038,-0.001825,0.003294,0.000377,0.006378,-0.013851,-0.01014,0.006409,-0.002048,0.002155
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0199__AD_1100__Cov_14.66%,0.129758,0 .128972,0.078818,0.079458,0.059088,0.022311,0.0018 8,0.009461,0.00634,-0.019499,0.004547,-0.001948,0.013677,0.012111,-0.014658,0.001591,0.01369,-0.007728,0.003017,0.009755,-0.003244,-0.008656,0.00986,-0.011086,-0.002994
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0203__AD_1100__Cov_15.12%,0.130897,0 .128972,0.07203,0.070414,0.032621,0.028726,0.00023 5,0.01523,0.003477,-0.021504,0.008119,-0.016485,0.015163,0.010322,-0.019679,0.010342,0.02034,-0.002154,-0.001885,0.003502,-0.002496,-0.010387,0.01405,0.005543,0.004191
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0205__AD_1100__Cov_12.81%,0.127482,0 .129988,0.072784,0.04522,0.014464,0.008367,0.01715 6,0.011076,-0.006136,-0.028429,0.001786,-0.01169,0.018731,0.001239,0.004072,-0.001193,-0.005607,0.00266,0.001634,0.007253,-0.004991,0.014344,0.019596,0.006748,-0.015927
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0206__AD_1100__Cov_14.81%,0.124067,0 .121864,0.082967,0.068476,0.056318,0.018686,0.0075 2,0.001846,-0.010226,-0.033714,0.005521,-0.013488,0.013082,0.014726,-0.007736,0.01538,0.01343,0.006208,-0.004399,0.006128,-0.007736,0.004081,0.009737,-0.019039,0.017124
POL_Lad_MA:PCA0211__AD_1100__Cov_13.29%,0.130897,0 .118817,0.075047,0.069122,0.052933,0.029005,0.0037 6,0.032537,-0.008181,-0.028611,-0.007795,-0.006294,0.01888,0.023121,-0.020901,-0.002652,0.018123,-0.012669,0.018226,-0.005503,-0.004991,-0.018053,0.015529,-0.009037,0.007305
POL_Lad_MA_oWestEurope:PCA0193__AD_1100__Cov_13.52 %,0.112685,0.14319,0.054682,0.043282,0.027697,0.00 3904,-0.0047,-0.004615,0.01309,-0.000729,-0.006658,0,-0.011596,0.00055,0.039495,0.016574,-0.015907,0.011149,0.014707,-0.014257,0.010232,0.008408,0.008874,0.007832,0.011 975
POL_Lad_MA_oWestEurope:PCA0201__AD_1100__Cov_13.09 %,0.125205,0.128972,0.055437,0.041344,0.040007,0.0 18407,0.008225,-0.005538,0.008795,0.005649,0.001786,-0.001349,-0.017245,-0.005367,0.009908,0.011005,-0.007693,0.005701,-0.00264,-0.003126,0.009109,0.005812,0.003574,0.013134,-0.005868
POL_Legowo_MA:PCA0165__AD_1100__Cov_22.10%,0.13203 5,0.11577,0.080327,0.082365,0.044931,0.030678,0.01 2456,0.014307,-0.003068,-0.018224,-0.007145,-0.021131,0.036719,0.029038,-0.005157,-0.009546,-0.005737,-0.013049,-0.00088,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.009027,0.006162,0.001807,0.003233
POL_Legowo_MA:PCA0166__AD_1100__Cov_20.27%,0.11951 4,0.129988,0.064111,0.080427,0.036314,0.043507,0.0 03525,0.016384,-0.0045,-0.03426,0.004384,-0.005095,0.015907,0.031378,-0.00095,-0.020684,-0.009518,0.002407,0.010684,0.00075,-0.006364,-0.004328,0.014666,-0.011688,0.008263
POL_Legowo_MA:PCA0167__AD_1100__Cov_32.13%,0.12065 2,0.127957,0.080704,0.085272,0.043393,0.030678,0.0 0517,0.008307,0.001636,-0.02041,-0.001624,-0.018733,0.018583,0.029726,-0.004886,0.001458,0.005346,0.0019,-0.002263,-0.001876,-0.005241,-0.000866,0.010846,-0.011086,-0.003712
POL_Legowo_MA_oBaltic:PCA0169__AD_1100__Cov_12.71% ,0.129758,0.122879,0.085984,0.08398,0.044008,0.039 602,0.019741,0.024922,0.019021,-0.032802,-0.005196,-0.014837,0.02215,0.025323,-0.000543,0.009414,0.018123,0.002407,0.016844,0.001 ,0.005615,-0.013354,0.002095,-0.006627,0.008382
POL_Markowice_MA:PCA0156__AD_1100__Cov_10.37%,0.12 2929,0.117801,0.068636,0.065569,0.036007,0.034861, 0.00611,0.020307,-0.006545,-0.021686,-0.00065,-0.023829,0.013825,0.035644,-0.018051,-0.004641,0.003129,0.000253,0.006159,-0.003502,0.000873,-0.013725,0.001972,-0.015183,0.003952
POL_Markowice_MA:PCA0158__AD_1100__Cov_30.41%,0.13 0897,0.125926,0.067505,0.057817,0.037545,0.024263, 0.00564,0.009923,-0.007363,-0.030069,-0.000325,-0.013488,0.016799,0.029176,-0.012486,-0.017767,-0.008475,0.00266,0.012318,-0.005378,-0.006364,0.000124,0.001849,-0.001928,0.006826
POL_Markowice_MA_oBalkans:PCA0157__AD_1100__Cov_36 .76%,0.122929,0.137096,0.036204,0.010336,0.037545, 0.003904,-0.00141,0.005538,0.01268,0.011299,0.002273,0.00839 3,-0.008474,0.004129,-0.005293,-0.013524,0.001434,0.007475,0.009804,-0.00963,-0.017469,0.008161,0.000493,0.004338,-0.00455
POL_Milicz_MA:PCA0541__AD_1100__Cov_11.98%,0.12292 9,0.11577,0.071276,0.064923,0.062165,0.027331,0.00 2115,0.013384,-0.003886,-0.008747,-0.003735,-0.007943,0.010852,0.020919,0.002986,0.000265,0.003 781,-0.006841,0.016969,-0.017383,-0.00861,0.003462,0.005423,0.008435,-0.000599
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0122__AD_950__Cov_32.59%,0.12975 8,0.135065,0.071276,0.063954,0.044008,0.020917,0.0 11281,0.013384,-0.002863,-0.023508,0.001299,-0.005545,0.018434,0.021056,-0.007193,0.001326,0.004303,-0.000127,0.002263,0.002876,0.004243,0.004204,0.002 588,-0.012893,0.001197
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0124__AD_950__Cov_43.78%,0.11496 1,0.125926,0.071276,0.060078,0.041854,0.024542,0.0 12926,0.008307,-0.001841,-0.027153,-0.006333,-0.007943,0.011893,0.026424,-0.0095,-0.003978,0.009518,0.00228,0.000126,0.017759,0.0021 21,-0.010758,0.008381,0.005422,-0.00934
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0127__AD_950__Cov_4.22%,0.119514 ,0.121864,0.071276,0.074936,0.054164,0.031794,0.00 7285,0.02123,-0.0045,-0.02041,-0.004384,0.007643,0.011001,0.030415,-0.008686,0.01127,0.004433,0.002154,-0.006285,0.018884,-0.010357,0.004946,-0.006286,0.00012,0.015448
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0132__AD_950__Cov_13.65%,0.12406 7,0.12491,0.084852,0.079781,0.040623,0.030957,0.00 235,0.010153,0.012271,-0.043372,-0.001786,-0.014837,0.007136,0.021194,-0.012758,-0.020684,-0.009257,0.008108,0.015209,0.014507,-0.003619,0.003833,0.011092,-0.013014,0.003832
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0133__AD_950__Cov_9.52%,0.130897 ,0.121864,0.073539,0.062662,0.050163,0.03765,0.009 635,0.011307,-0.007363,-0.021504,-0.007795,0.005845,0.001487,0.02202,-0.006243,-0.012596,-0.004433,0.005828,-0.004148,-0.008504,-0.014724,0.008779,0.01023,-0.02892,0.004191
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0137__AD_950__Cov_33.16%,0.12975 8,0.120848,0.076933,0.069768,0.0397,0.026216,0.008 225,0.012692,-0.016771,-0.023326,0.002436,-0.013038,0.022002,0.020506,-0.010043,0.001856,0.012126,-0.007475,0.010684,0.001,0.003494,-0.002597,-0.005053,-0.008314,-0.002155
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0138__AD_950__Cov_13.28%,0.11951 4,0.123895,0.074293,0.066215,0.0437,0.053826,0.020 916,0.011307,-0.02127,-0.0277,0.000325,-0.02293,0.011744,0.022708,-0.042752,0.004906,0.011735,-0.004434,-0.00264,0.001376,-0.001248,0.003091,0.015899,-0.004338,0.021435
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0140__AD_950__Cov_26.81%,0.12406 7,0.132019,0.027907,0.023902,0.028621,0.003626,0.0 06815,0.003461,-0.002863,-0.003827,-0.002436,-0.005995,0.008028,0.01913,-0.015879,-0.006364,0.004824,-0.00076,-0.006536,-0.001626,-0.006738,0.00507,0.01023,0.001566,-0.000239
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0142__AD_950__Cov_17.33%,0.13431 1,0.116786,0.07731,0.066215,0.035083,0.025937,0.01 6216,0.010615,-0.00859,-0.014214,-0.001786,-0.003897,0.005054,0.031103,-0.015201,-0.004906,-0.007432,0.009755,-0.015461,0.00075,0.013102,0.004946,0.011216,-0.001566,-0.00467
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0143__AD_950__Cov_35.02%,0.11496 1,0.123895,0.054682,0.041344,0.030775,0.018407,0,0 .014538,-0.001636,-0.013121,0.001786,-0.003597,0.010555,0.012111,-0.018322,-0.006895,0.0103,-0.004054,0.006788,-0.003126,-0.002246,-0.009645,0.00912,-0.003133,-0.001317
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0146__AD_950__Cov_17.03%,0.12292 9,0.129988,0.050534,0.040052,0.037853,0.018965,0.0 09635,0.003,-0.001023,-0.005832,-0.005196,-0.007643,-0.000149,0.012937,-0.00665,-0.000796,-0.004042,0.007601,-0.004022,0.001876,-0.00025,-0.015333,-0.003204,-0.003133,0.002634
POL_Niemcza_MA:PCA0148__AD_950__Cov_51.95%,0.13431 1,0.128972,0.075801,0.07106,0.040931,0.023427,0.01 1281,0.014538,-0.002045,-0.005649,-0.010068,-0.001798,0.01115,0.012937,0.006379,0.008884,0.0161 68,0.001774,0.003897,0.013381,0.010482,0.001731,0. 006286,-0.000602,-0.001197
POL_Niemcza_MA_oBalkans:PCA0126__AD_950__Cov_26.60 %,0.119514,0.133034,0.056568,0.018088,0.040931,0.0 16176,0.001175,-0.000692,0.004295,0.000364,0,-0.001499,0.008622,0.018992,-0.0095,0.002387,-0.009779,0.000253,-0.000251,-0.003877,-0.015597,0.008532,0.000493,-0.003374,-0.005029
POL_Oblaczkowo_MA:PCA0216__AD_1100__Cov_11.16%,0.1 27482,0.131003,0.078064,0.085272,0.051702,0.023427 ,0.016686,0.007384,-0.00409,-0.023326,-0.004709,-0.005845,0.018434,0.048306,0.012622,-0.003845,-0.008866,0.004307,0.001131,0.001376,-0.003743,-0.00371,0.019596,-0.017231,0.003832
POL_Oblaczkowo_MA:PCA0225__AD_1100__Cov_10.20%,0.1 21791,0.11577,0.077687,0.066215,0.041546,0.01757,0 .016216,0.022845,-0.009408,-0.039363,0.004384,-0.011839,0.04103,0.022432,-0.009772,-0.000133,0.009388,0.002787,0.005908,-0.01038,-0.006988,-0.015333,-0.003821,0.004458,0.005868
POL_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0332__AD_1100__Cov_25.61 %,0.130897,0.118817,0.076178,0.047158,0.0397,0.020 359,0.009635,0.01823,-0.006545,-0.01549,-0.008444,-0.014837,0.011001,0.022295,-0.018865,-0.002917,0.010691,-0.004307,0.009553,0.001626,-0.012728,0.001237,-0.000123,-0.003735,-0.007065
POL_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0334__AD_1100__Cov_13.67 %,0.121791,0.128972,0.087869,0.069768,0.050779,0.0 30399,0.003055,0.007154,0.002045,-0.023144,-0.011854,-0.010491,-0.000743,0.015138,-0.00095,0.043489,0.029988,0.006334,0.004022,0.0098 8,-0.005116,-0.001484,0.003697,-0.007953,-0.016406
POL_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0335__AD_1100__Cov_22.01 %,0.134311,0.125926,0.06675,0.050388,0.039392,0.03 3188,0.015276,0.018461,-0.012271,-0.025513,-0.002273,-0.018434,0.024678,0.012937,-0.014251,0.010342,-0.008084,-0.006081,-0.001885,0.004127,0.005116,-0.008903,0.021445,-0.016629,-0.000599
POL_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0339__AD_1100__Cov_38.61 %,0.120652,0.119832,0.062602,0.066861,0.047086,0.0 15618,0.011516,0.010615,0.000409,-0.022597,-0.005521,-0.002248,0.010258,0.015138,-0.007736,-0.014187,-0.013169,-0.003294,0.006536,-0.006503,0.000125,-0.007666,0.013064,0.007953,0.005628
POL_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0340__AD_1100__Cov_42.73 %,0.134311,0.117801,0.088623,0.06783,0.036314,0.02 7889,0.013396,0.009692,0.001023,-0.028064,-0.005359,-0.014837,0.024083,0.026561,-0.008143,0.001326,0.004433,-0.004181,0.00264,0.011631,-0.001123,-0.012984,0.003328,-0.013737,0.003952
POL_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0343__AD_1100__Cov_32.47 %,0.133173,0.123895,0.073539,0.07752,0.042469,0.01 8686,0.00611,0.017307,-0.00634,-0.021139,0.00406,-0.003147,0.015758,0.029589,-0.016694,0.003713,-0.004172,0.004434,0.002137,-0.003126,-0.012977,-0.007296,0.013434,-0.006989,0.005987
POL_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0344__AD_1100__Cov_39.80 %,0.135449,0.123895,0.075047,0.069768,0.035391,0.0 21475,0.00658,0.01823,-0.007976,-0.035536,0.006496,-0.005095,0.020664,0.017203,-0.013572,0.002387,0.024382,-0.008995,-0.005782,-0.001251,-0.009982,0.008408,0.000863,-0.000964,-0.00455
POL_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA_oBaltic:PCA0333__AD_1100__C ov_33.64%,0.125205,0.125926,0.095412,0.081396,0.04 1546,0.033188,0.016921,0.007384,0,-0.035901,-0.005846,-0.009891,0.027056,0.024084,-0.014522,0.00358,0.03064,-0.001014,0.000251,0.01088,0.006239,-0.008408,0.003574,-0.005663,0.004431
POL_Plonsk_MA:PCA0297__AD_1100__Cov_12.58%,0.12975 8,0.112724,0.076933,0.063631,0.042162,0.035419,0.0 14571,0.010615,-0.004909,-0.028247,-0.005034,-0.008393,0.011447,0.037984,-0.000814,-0.012729,-0.00013,-0.0019,0.004777,-0.002001,-0.001248,-0.004575,-0.001356,0.006507,0.010658
POL_Plonsk_MA:PCA0314__AD_1100__Cov_13.85%,0.13317 3,0.117801,0.094657,0.06783,0.02739,0.021475,0.003 055,-0.001154,0.0045,-0.018406,0.012504,-0.019782,0.026462,0.026286,-0.010858,0.002784,0,0.006714,-0.007668,-0.01088,-0.007487,0.003833,0.013927,-0.014339,-0.006826
POL_Plonsk_MA:PCA0317__AD_1100__Cov_29.21%,0.12862 ,0.133034,0.083721,0.064923,0.038469,0.032072,0.00 3525,0.016845,-0.011453,-0.018224,-0.01088,-0.006744,0.015758,0.037846,-0.012215,-0.006232,0.001173,0,-0.001634,0.006628,-0.004118,-0.00371,-0.001109,-0.001205,-0.016406
POL_Plonsk_MA:PCA0319__AD_1100__Cov_23.86%,0.13317 3,0.131003,0.077687,0.076874,0.037238,0.034025,0.0 0188,0.017999,-0.00634,-0.021868,-0.007307,-0.011989,0.015907,0.029864,-0.003257,0.008884,0.020079,-0.003927,0.006913,-0.003502,-0.012728,-0.014715,-0.000493,-0.015785,0.000359
POL_Plonsk_MA:PCA0327__AD_1100__Cov_unknown,0.1320 35,0.108662,0.070899,0.069768,0.053241,0.032072,-0.00423,0.016845,0.00859,-0.029158,0.010068,-0.005995,0.018731,0.021882,-0.008822,0.011535,-0.004303,-0.020904,0.005154,0.002126,-0.003619,-0.003215,0.005546,-0.015424,0.010059
POL_Plonsk_MA:PCA0328__AD_1100__Cov_24.90%,0.12975 8,0.129988,0.062225,0.062339,0.033852,0.028726,0.0 14806,0.007154,-0.003886,-0.026424,-0.006658,-0.015286,0.012785,0.032617,-0.025651,0.004773,0.016168,-0.005828,0.007793,0.005127,-0.005116,-0.009398,-0.001109,-0.001325,-0.003473
POL_Plonsk_MA_oBaltic:PCA0324__AD_1100__Cov_19.34% ,0.130897,0.1046,0.086738,0.079458,0.051394,0.0323 51,0.013631,0.028845,-0.006954,-0.041185,-0.006008,-0.005095,0.024975,0.028901,-0.007057,0.007292,0.022426,0.004687,-0.004651,-0.004252,-0.008111,-0.008532,0.01972,-0.010845,0.00012
POL_Poznan_MA:PCA0549__AD_1100__Cov_11.03%,0.1161, 0.12491,0.070899,0.065892,0.03139,0.024821,0.01175 1,0.016615,-0.005113,-0.020593,0.000974,-0.006594,0.024232,0.013625,-0.006379,-0.008486,-0.010822,-0.004054,-0.004777,0.002251,0.001872,-0.016199,0.006902,0.008435,0.012334
POL_Rumin_MA:PCA0244__AD_1100__Cov_16.15%,0.126344 ,0.11577,0.083721,0.075905,0.03416,0.023985,0.0047 ,0.020538,0.01268,-0.03098,0.000162,-0.016186,0.010852,0.032479,0.000679,0.010607,0.000 261,0.00114,0.00088,-0.006003,-0.009982,-0.002226,0.014543,-0.008917,0.004191
POL_Rumin_MA:PCA0246__AD_1100__Cov_14.86%,0.12862, 0.11577,0.090132,0.063954,0.052317,0.03765,0.00117 5,0.016845,0.009204,-0.022962,0.012666,-0.013638,0.028394,0.01913,-0.012079,-0.013657,-0.012647,-0.002154,0.003394,0.004377,-0.000499,-0.006306,0.001479,-0.016026,0.005029
POL_Santok_MA:PCA0399__AD_1100__Cov_18.13%,0.13203 5,0.129988,0.078064,0.077197,0.035083,0.034025,0.0 10105,0.013384,0.003272,-0.032074,-0.00341,-0.001499,0.023488,0.026974,-0.009908,-0.007292,-0.011995,-0.006968,-0.000251,-0.012381,0.00287,0.001731,0.009613,-0.002289,-0.017364
POL_Santok_MA:PCA0426__AD_1100__Cov_11.83%,0.12862 ,0.109677,0.070522,0.055879,0.039392,0.023427,0.01 2456,-0.004846,0.004295,-0.018588,-0.012991,-0.001649,0.021853,0.018029,-0.004614,0.009944,-0.013821,0.003167,0.005531,-0.015257,-0.004367,-0.004822,0.011092,0.00241,0.00467
POL_Santok_MA_oEEF:PCA0391__AD_1100__Cov_11.68%,0. 126344,0.139128,0.041106,0.044897,0.029236,0.01004 ,-0.00188,-0.002769,-0.00409,-0.010934,0.013965,-0.008393,-0.006838,-0.004954,0.003122,0.0118,-0.000913,-0.008108,-0.005405,-0.002001,0.006239,0.003215,-0.006532,-0.00723,0.006466
POL_Santok_MA_oEEF:PCA0411__AD_1100__Cov_10.46%,0. 125205,0.123895,0.058077,0.035853,0.023697,0.01673 3,0.015041,0.005538,-0.002659,-0.006014,-0.009419,-0.014537,-0.00223,0.012111,0.005293,-0.006497,-0.005476,0.006081,0.000251,0.021885,0.001373,0.004 575,-0.001479,0.014942,0.010059