Return of the traditional woman...

[Rethel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFW0z0Y5TR4

[Sekarotuinen]

The best traditionalist is an Islamic one.

[RN97]

The best traditionalist is an Islamic one.

Not for Europe. European women have always been free and not oppressed.

[Sekarotuinen]

Not for Europe. European women have always been free and not oppressed.
Islam is not oppressive though. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), respected women's right to vote 1400 years ago for example.

[Vyasa]

this forum is full of alt right, Trumptard neckbeards.

[Annie999]

Islam is not oppressive though. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), respected women's right to vote 1400 years ago for example.

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/entertainment/2011/04/18/burqa-inspired-fashions-glorifying-female-oppression-encouraging-women-dress/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1421915244540.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

[Sekarotuinen]

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/entertainment/2011/04/18/burqa-inspired-fashions-glorifying-female-oppression-encouraging-women-dress/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1421915244540.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
They choose to dress that way. Nowhere bu Saudi Arabia and Iran are women required by law (an Un-Islamic practice), to cover.

[Annie999]

They choose to dress that way. Nowhere bu Saudi Arabia and Iran are women required by law (an Un-Islamic practice), to cover.

They can't choose any more than a dog chooses to come back home to get its food. Society makes them wear that thing, with or without law many of them have no choice. And the hijab is just 1 of their many form of oppression. I understand you dont wanna accept this because it's your own culture.

[Sekarotuinen]

They can't choose any more than a dog chooses to come back home to get its food. Society makes them wear that thing, with or without law many of them have no choice. And the hijab is just 1 of their many form of oppression. I understand you dont wanna accept this because it's your own culture.
Well, any Muslims who give a woman an ultimatum to attempt to force her to wear hijab are not following Islam, even by Salafist understanding. I definitely advocate against situations like that.

I really just dont see how Muslim women are oppressed. Muslim women enjoy the same rights as men in literally every Muslim nation except Saudi Arabia.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The life of a traditional woman is only great if you're totally hawt. There aren't many unattractive women married to men with money and even they're not safe. They have to deal with their husband having a young mistress once father time decimates the wife with metaphorical hammer strikes. It's perhaps better for most women to learn a marketable skill even if they are totally hawt.

On the flip side for men having a traditional woman isn't all that great cuz once the children are able to go to school they pretty much have a large chunk of free time and when women have large chunks of free time they start thinking and when they start thinking they get bored and when they get bored they get weird and when they get weird they start talking just for the sake of talking and when they talk just for the sake of talking you realize 'this woman is insane. I married a crazy person.' That's when it all goes does hill for the men.

[Carlito's Way]

A traditional marriage only works when a nigga has enough money to take care of his wifey and children, and lets be real, majority of this generation can't do that so they go look for a independent mami who has her own career, job, house and car. Thankfully I have a good career and I get paid very well, I told my girlfriend that when we get married, I don't want her working, she agreed to be a housewife.

That hoe on the video is working so shes not a traditional woman at all, traditional woman needs to keep living with her parents until the man ask for her hand for marriage, then the hoe can get married and live with the nigga, then she gotta be a housewife and take care of the children and home while her daddy is out making bread so they can live good

most traditional women are gold diggers, they wont just settle with any bum, they will want a nigga who can provide for THEIR needs and their needs are a whole lot


so you either want a traditional woman who you will take care of financially
or an independent mami who will pitch in cash

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The ideal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnIC7j-xrUY


The reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFgAORdRUf4

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

The ideal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnIC7j-xrUY


The reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFgAORdRUf4

It happens but maybe you need some marriage counseling

[Lionel]

Muslims are an incredibly generous demographic in terms of their treatment of women.

This whole outcry at the return of the traditional woman is futile. Human women will most likely be replaced within a century by synthetic women, at the rate technological and scientific advancements are proceeding. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it is extremely likely to happen.

[Rethel]

Islam is not oppressive though. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), respected women's right to vote 1400 years ago for example.

https://media.tenor.com/images/8bfc652aaee74c3ed4a348b2bf898f89/tenor.gif

[Bari]

'Freedom' for women has led to the moral decay of Europeans and others imitating this. What women need is a firm hand to guide them. Western people may continue to deny nature of mankind. The most 'liberated' countries also have highest statistics of depression and divorces.

[Sekarotuinen]

'Freedom' for women has led to the moral decay of Europeans and others imitating this. What women need is a firm hand to guide them. Western people may continue to deny nature of mankind. The most 'liberated' countries also have highest statistics of depression and divorces.
Men being the natural head of the family unit does not equate to women being children in need of constant guising

[Bari]

Men being the natural head of the family unit does not equate to women being children in need of constant guising Normally no. The amount of guidance depend upon her nature and willingness to submit to her position. Women who are amiable need not constant guidance. But its important that they are aware diciplinary actions will be performed if she steps out of line. In cases of unruly and hysterical women correction by physical punishment when all other efforts fail.

[Fractal]

Islam is not oppressive though. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), respected women's right to vote 1400 years ago for example.

What would happen to Robert Spencer, Richard Dawkins, and myself under shariah?

[zhaoyun]

I don't see how women going back to just home making and not working would be great for women overall. Again, unless you're a pampered supermodel, you better have some real work and life skills to survive life, it's a tough world out there.

[zhaoyun]

Muslims are an incredibly generous demographic in terms of their treatment of women.

This whole outcry at the return of the traditional woman is futile. Human women will most likely be replaced within a century by synthetic women, at the rate technological and scientific advancements are proceeding. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it is extremely likely to happen.

Artificial Intelligence is advancing at unparalleled bounds. In 30 years, they will have robots who essentially function close enough to humans, although their emotional capabilities will probably still be undeveloped. But in 60-80 years, I can see a world where most incels will just get a hot supermodel female robot who is completely devoted and obedient and eschew relationships with real women.

[zhaoyun]

A traditional marriage only works when a nigga has enough money to take care of his wifey and children, and lets be real, majority of this generation can't do that so they go look for a independent mami who has her own career, job, house and car. Thankfully I have a good career and I get paid very well, I told my girlfriend that when we get married, I don't want her working, she agreed to be a housewife.

That hoe on the video is working so shes not a traditional woman at all, traditional woman needs to keep living with her parents until the man ask for her hand for marriage, then the hoe can get married and live with the nigga, then she gotta be a housewife and take care of the children and home while her daddy is out making bread so they can live good

most traditional women are gold diggers, they wont just settle with any bum, they will want a nigga who can provide for THEIR needs and their needs are a whole lot


so you either want a traditional woman who you will take care of financially
or an independent mami who will pitch in cash

I agree. She's full of shit half the time she talks, although she sometimes makes sense too.

But let's be real, the economy is getting harder and harder for the Middle Class to survive. People are doing shitty gigs like driving Uber just to make ends meet, while technology continues to decimate entire industries. Just being a home maker is no longer an option for the vast majority of women.

[zhaoyun]

A traditional marriage only works when a nigga has enough money to take care of his wifey and children, and lets be real, majority of this generation can't do that so they go look for a independent mami who has her own career, job, house and car. Thankfully I have a good career and I get paid very well, I told my girlfriend that when we get married, I don't want her working, she agreed to be a housewife.

That hoe on the video is working so shes not a traditional woman at all, traditional woman needs to keep living with her parents until the man ask for her hand for marriage, then the hoe can get married and live with the nigga, then she gotta be a housewife and take care of the children and home while her daddy is out making bread so they can live good

most traditional women are gold diggers, they wont just settle with any bum, they will want a nigga who can provide for THEIR needs and their needs are a whole lot


so you either want a traditional woman who you will take care of financially
or an independent mami who will pitch in cash

I agree. She's full of shit half the time she talks, although she sometimes makes sense too.

But let's be real, the economy is getting harder and harder for the Middle Class to survive. People are doing shitty gigs like driving Uber just to make ends meet, while technology continues to decimate entire industries. Just being a home maker is no longer an option for the vast majority of women.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

It happens but maybe you need some marriage counseling

Bitches be crazy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89TT_ui5hhQ

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Bitches be crazy...

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Men aren't any better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J0-ZatDHug

This is totally me if I was a father.

[Lionel]

Artificial Intelligence is advancing at unparalleled bounds. In 30 years, they will have robots who essentially function close enough to humans, although their emotional capabilities will probably still be undeveloped. But in 60-80 years, I can see a world where most incels will just get a hot supermodel female robot who is completely devoted and obedient and eschew relationships with real women.

Also if you consider the fact that they will be fertile, women will go extinct. As women will have no use anymore.

[zhaoyun]

Also if you consider the fact that they will be fertile, women will go extinct. As women will have no use anymore.

With technology like artificial wombs and cloning advancing at a rapid clip, along with AI and robotics, I think that robot wives will absolutely become mainstream. Of course, it will be seen as creepy, but eventually it will probably become ever present.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2017/04/26/lamb-artificial-womb-study-jnd-orig-vstan.cnn

For men, the greatest satisfaction they feel in a relationship is when a woman respects and admires them. In postmodern societies, it is increasingly difficult for men to compete for women, thereby increasing the levels of incels in society. If you're an incel who is not particularly successful, why would you settle for a plain looking woman who will nag you and demand shit from you, when you could have a very pleasant existence with a robotic woman who looks like a supermodel and is programmed to worship you? People will drift ever farther into the realm of fantasy and detached from an organic, biological existence.

[Lionel]

"why would you settle for a plain looking woman who will nag you and demand shit from you"

Are you implying that it's a bad thing to not want this in your life?

[♥ Lily ♥]

With technology like artificial wombs and cloning advancing at a rapid clip, along with AI and robotics, I think that robot wives will absolutely become mainstream. Of course, it will be seen as creepy, but eventually it will probably become ever present.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2017/04/26/lamb-artificial-womb-study-jnd-orig-vstan.cnn

For men, the greatest satisfaction they feel in a relationship is when a woman respects and admires them. In postmodern societies, it is increasingly difficult for men to compete for women, thereby increasing the levels of incels in society. If you're an incel who is not particularly successful, why would you settle for a plain looking woman who will nag you and demand shit from you, when you could have a very pleasant existence with a robotic woman who looks like a supermodel and is programmed to worship you? People will drift ever farther into the realm of fantasy and detached from an organic, biological existence.

Will there be attractive robotic men in the future to satisfy single females who can't find a decent man in life?

I wouldn't ever want to replace my gorgeous and charismatic boyfriend with a robotic machine. I think I'd die from a broken heart without him as he's unique and irreplacable. https://d33ypg4xwx0n86.cloudfront.net/direct?url=http%3A%2F%2Fi.picasion.com%2Fresize80% 2Fdf93857049a4b83ed0439c503b76e7f0.png&resize=w1024

[Al-Meksiki]

The "traditional" woman is a parasite who takes resources from her society while contributing nothing but more resource sinks while doing nothing to aide her community's production.

The modern working woman who can function with or without depending on a man is better for us all. Those who advocate for this gender role are commiting the social equivalent of intentionally infecting themself with a Tapeworm for a positive benefit

[zhaoyun]

Will there be attractive robotic men in the future to satisfy single females who can't find a decent man in life?

I wouldn't ever want to replace my gorgeous and charismatic boyfriend with a robotic machine. I think I'd die from a broken heart without him as he's unique and irreplacable. https://d33ypg4xwx0n86.cloudfront.net/direct?url=http%3A%2F%2Fi.picasion.com%2Fresize80% 2Fdf93857049a4b83ed0439c503b76e7f0.png&resize=w1024

There will be some, but not to the extent that they are used with men. The dynamics are different. Women crave men with social status that they can admire. They won't get this with robot men.

[zhaoyun]

The "traditional" woman is a parasite who takes resources from her society while contributing nothing but more resource sinks while doing nothing to aide her community's production.

The modern working woman who can function with or without depending on a man is better for us all. Those who advocate for this gender role are commiting the social equivalent of intentionally infecting themself with a Tapeworm for a positive benefit

I don't think traditional women are a parasite, but I think it's the realities of today's economy ensures that women will have to work to survive.

[Rethel]

I think it's the realities of today's economy ensures that women will have to work to survive.

Yes, becasue taxes which are payed by the husband are
too high, usually equall to what she is earning. 100 years
ago a simple labourer was able to sustain a wife and five
children. At present time often both working people arent
able to support one child. It clearly shows, that a system
is made in such matter purposly.

It can be changed quickly by deleting socialism.
It is btw shameful, that people have to pay for
someones bastards, not being able to sustain
their own wives and children.

[Sekarotuinen]

Normally no. The amount of guidance depend upon her nature and willingness to submit to her position. Women who are amiable need not constant guidance. But its important that they are aware diciplinary actions will be performed if she steps out of line. In cases of unruly and hysterical women correction by physical punishment when all other efforts fail.
The problem is that most 'Muslim' men really dont know their responsibilities as husbands and fathers and thus the ability for a man to be able to guide a woman in anything is questionable. Being the head of the family and thus obeyed by the wife in most situations doeent imply that men are more pious or mature, just that the genders were created for different functions.

[Sekarotuinen]

What would happen to Robert Spencer, Richard Dawkins, and myself under shariah?
Depends, you I'd feed superior THAI curry as a form of emotional torture.

[Sekarotuinen]

I don't see how women going back to just home making and not working would be great for women overall. Again, unless you're a pampered supermodel, you better have some real work and life skills to survive life, it's a tough world out there.
Women need to work AND be homemakers as much as they can. But yeah, tge nuclear family is declining.

[Fractal]

Depends, you I'd feed superior THAI curry as a form of emotional torture.

lol

[Sekarotuinen]

I don't think traditional women are a parasite, but I think it's the realities of today's economy ensures that women will have to work to survive.
This. Remove the socialist systems from society which penalize success and traditionalism.

[Magnolia]

Who is that woman to say to other women how they should live.

[Sekarotuinen]

Who is that woman to say to other women how they should live.
This. While the traditional role of homemaker is definitely something valuable, women who have the fortune and desire to fill that roll talking down to the other 99% are infuriating.

[Mingle]

They choose to dress that way. Nowhere bu Saudi Arabia and Iran are women required by law (an Un-Islamic practice), to cover.

The burqa may not be mandatory in Islam, but the hijab is.

Also, I wouldn't say wearing the burqa is un-Islamic. It was worn by the female sahabas and most Muslims use some sort of religious justification for the right to wear it.

[Sekarotuinen]

The burqa may not be mandatory in Islam, but the hijab is.

Also, I wouldn't say wearing the burqa is un-Islamic. It was worn by the female sahabas and most Muslims use some sort of religious justification for the right to wear it.
The Burqa and Niqab are not Un-Islamic, but forcing to women to wear them is. Same with forcing women to wear hijab. It has to be her choice.

[War Chef]

The best traditionalist is an Islamic one.

Yeah I guess you're pro-rape then because Muhamed said you can have your way with your wife whenever/however you want. Even if she's not down for it.

[DarkPhoenix]

Good and bad bro. For this time and age it is better they start working which is why we see more and more women getting educated and working. This puts off family and marriage in the end though. How to work around it?

[Nehellenia]

Women can't all be housewives anymore and stay at home with kids, because the cost of living is too much in the west and we're being pressured to support ourselves and get educated and so on.. Men mostly seem unwilling to support their partners entirely in finances and while i can understand the reasoning behind it, you can't have both worlds.. a partner who is equal in the work force and does the same hours, but then goes home to do all the domestic work totally alone because 'thats the female role'.
2 paychecks are also better than one if you want to buy a decent house one day.. unless you choose to live in a less rich country where house prices are less (but not more affordable for locals anyway, according to their standard wage).
So many of the older generations were forced to remain married no matter what due to social pressure and the fear by the woman of having no one to support her financially, if she wasn't working but those days are over largely and i don't see much of the younger generation wanting to return to such living.
The cost of living is spoiling the notion of having many children, because those children need to be totally supported and you can only take so much time off in order to do so.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

All women should be Muay Thai ready.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwJQm-F6aNM

[Marmie Dearest]

The life of a traditional woman is only great if you're totally hawt. There aren't many unattractive women married to men with money and even they're not safe. They have to deal with their husband having a young mistress once father time decimates the wife with metaphorical hammer strikes. It's perhaps better for most women to learn a marketable skill even if they are totally hawt.

On the flip side for men having a traditional woman isn't all that great cuz once the children are able to go to school they pretty much have a large chunk of free time and when women have large chunks of free time they start thinking and when they start thinking they get bored and when they get bored they get weird and when they get weird they start talking just for the sake of talking and when they talk just for the sake of talking you realize 'this woman is insane. I married a crazy person.' That's when it all goes does hill for the men.

I think this is a healthy view. Women who are educated and have their own interests are less needy and annoying. It's actually traditional to educate middle and upper class women because educated women are more compatible with educated men and know how to act at work functions. Anyone who has seen My Fair Lady or really any classic film knows that.

[Marmie Dearest]

The Burqa and Niqab are not Un-Islamic, but forcing to women to wear them is. Same with forcing women to wear hijab. It has to be her choice.

Did not Muhammed say that women and girls past puberty should only show hands and face?

I don't have a problem with hijab, it can be attractive and modest, feminine and comfortable but niqab and burka are scary and unsettling. ..especially when the husband wears shorts and sandals in hot weather but his wife is wearing the living room drapes, this seems really wrong, I have seen this on the beach in Los Angeles.

[Marmie Dearest]

A traditional marriage only works when a nigga has enough money to take care of his wifey and children, and lets be real, majority of this generation can't do that so they go look for a independent mami who has her own career, job, house and car. Thankfully I have a good career and I get paid very well, I told my girlfriend that when we get married, I don't want her working, she agreed to be a housewife.

That hoe on the video is working so shes not a traditional woman at all, traditional woman needs to keep living with her parents until the man ask for her hand for marriage, then the hoe can get married and live with the nigga, then she gotta be a housewife and take care of the children and home while her daddy is out making bread so they can live good

most traditional women are gold diggers, they wont just settle with any bum, they will want a nigga who can provide for THEIR needs and their needs are a whole lot


so you either want a traditional woman who you will take care of financially
or an independent mami who will pitch in cash

Referring to women as hoes and yourself as a nigga demeans you, your race and creates the monsters you probably hate on this forum. I would be disgusted by a man who flaunted vulgarity and ignorance this way irl, and it's not because you are black, you're feeding into a pathetic ghetto stereotype that didn't exist in the dignified days of Sydney Poitier, but you consider yourself traditional? You're not a traditional black man, you're just a sexist asshole.

[al-Bosni]

Did not Muhammed say that women and girls past puberty should only show hands and face?

I don't have a problem with hijab, it can be attractive and modest, feminine and comfortable but niqab and burka are scary and unsettling. ..especially when the husband wears shorts and sandals in hot weather but his wife is wearing the living room drapes, this seems really wrong, I have seen this on the beach in Los Angeles.

There is a hadith that says that women should only show their hands and face, although there is a difference of opinion on it's authenticity. The niqab is islamic because this is what the mothers of believers and other women wore in front of strange men during the time of the Prophet :saw:. There is only a difference of opinions on whether the niqab is obligatory or merely recommended. For example, Shaykh al-Albani wrote a book called Jilbab Ul-Mar’at Il-Muslimah. His opinion was that the hijab is obligatory and the niqab is recommended ( but not obligatory).

He said:

“Whoever adheres to the obligation, it is good enough; and whoever does the recommendation, it is better.” (Jilbab Ul-Mar’at Il-Muslimah, p. 28, which is a Preface to the 2nd Edition)

So it's up to the women if she wants to wear the hijab or niqab.

And also here are two authentic hadiths about the mothers of believers and early Muslim women covering the face.


It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah… that Safwaan ibn al-Mu’attal al-Sulami al-Dhakwaani was lagging behind the army. He came to where I had stopped and saw the black shape of a person sleeping. He recognized me when he saw me, because he had seen me before hijaab was enjoined. I woke up when I heard him saying ‘Inna Lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raaji’oon (verily to Allaah we belong and unto Him is our return),’ when he saw me, and I covered my face with my jilbaab.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3910; Muslim, 2770)

It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: “The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in ihraam. When they came near, each of us would lower her jilbaab from her head over her face, and when they passed by we would uncover (our faces).”

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1833; Ahmad, 24067

[crazyladybutterfly]

There is a hadith that says that women should only show their hands and face, although there is a difference of opinion on it's authenticity. The niqab is islamic because this is what the mothers of believers and other women wore in front of strange men during the time of the Prophet :saw:. There is only a difference of opinions on whether the niqab is obligatory or merely recommended. For example, Shaykh al-Albani wrote a book called Jilbab Ul-Mar’at Il-Muslimah. His opinion was that the hijab is obligatory and the niqab is recommended ( but not obligatory).

He said:

“Whoever adheres to the obligation, it is good enough; and whoever does the recommendation, it is better.” (Jilbab Ul-Mar’at Il-Muslimah, p. 28, which is a Preface to the 2nd Edition)

So it's up to the women if she wants to wear the hijab or niqab.

And also here are two authentic hadiths about the mothers of believers and early Muslim women covering the face.


It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah… that Safwaan ibn al-Mu’attal al-Sulami al-Dhakwaani was lagging behind the army. He came to where I had stopped and saw the black shape of a person sleeping. He recognized me when he saw me, because he had seen me before hijaab was enjoined. I woke up when I heard him saying ‘Inna Lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raaji’oon (verily to Allaah we belong and unto Him is our return),’ when he saw me, and I covered my face with my jilbaab.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3910; Muslim, 2770)

It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: “The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in ihraam. When they came near, each of us would lower her jilbaab from her head over her face, and when they passed by we would uncover (our faces).”

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1833; Ahmad, 24067



so it s unclear if one woman should wear the niqab and you still support a bunch of people who force women to wear it.

[al-Bosni]

so it s unclear if one woman should wear the niqab and you still support a bunch of people who force women to wear it.
I prefer them to Spain, for example, where both men and women can walk around completely naked in public, head to toe. And also American states where women can walk around topless.

[EL_BARBARO]

They choose to dress that way. Nowhere bu Saudi Arabia and Iran are women required by law (an Un-Islamic practice), to cover.


Lie. Either they "choose" that or they are extremely criticised, even hit, in their communities.

[catgeorge]

Yes I have one and no she is not muslim. Muslim women need to learn from her; as oppressive religious cultures such as Islam depend upon the science of the West to keep ideas like individual freedom from gaining a foothold among their adherents.

[EL_BARBARO]

The best traditionalist is an Islamic one.


You are drunk.

[EL_BARBARO]

Well, any Muslims who give a woman an ultimatum to attempt to force her to wear hijab are not following Islam, even by Salafist understanding. I definitely advocate against situations like that.

I really just dont see how Muslim women are oppressed. Muslim women enjoy the same rights as men in literally every Muslim nation except Saudi Arabia.


You are very lucky that you live in a non-muslim country.

[catgeorge]

How ancient Europeans portrayed themselves - finesse and class

https://res.cloudinary.com/dk-find-out/image/upload/q_80,w_320,f_auto/A-rexfeatures_2561532a_n24g75.jpg

How modern Muslims portray themselves

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/12/Hijab-Muslim-Women-Getty.jpg

I do not like them and don't want them in my country at any cost.

[EL_BARBARO]

I prefer them to Spain, for example, where both men and women can walk around completely naked in public, head to toe. And also American states where women can walk around topless.


That early and that high...

[Sekarotuinen]

You are drunk.
I dont drink any alcohol, and anyone who hits a woman for her dress is in the wrong.

[crazyladybutterfly]

I prefer them to Spain, for example, where both men and women can walk around completely naked in public, head to toe. And also American states where women can walk around topless.

that s pretty much degenerate , but forcing women to wear a claustrophobic dress is even worse

[EL_BARBARO]

I dont drink any alcohol, and anyone who hits a woman for her dress is in the wrong.


You take part of this kind of culture, where a woman can be hit for her dress.

As said, you're very lucky to live in a non-muslim country.

[Sekarotuinen]

that s pretty much degenerate , but forcing women to wear a claustrophobic dress is even worse
No one is forcing women in Muslim nations to dress that way. Obviously, there is social pressure to do so, but in the west, there is social pressure to dress in a revealing way. I much prefer that to be the societal norm to what we have in the west.

[EL_BARBARO]

that s pretty much degenerate , but forcing women to wear a claustrophobic dress is even worse


Degenerate? Are you taking for true what he says?

Usually, that is the kind of refusal answer to any accusation they receive: to create or exaggerate a fact in other place or culture.

Have you still not realized their modus operandi?

[Sekarotuinen]

You take part of this kind of culture, where a woman can be hit for her dress.

As said, you're very lucky to live in a non-muslim country.
A woman CAN be hit for anything anywhere. That doesnt mean it is right, and Islam denounces beating women.

[Megadorian]

The woman in the video is a total hypocrite, if she craves to be traditional than quit youtube, your job, find a husband and go houswife 24/7 and endure occasional rageful psycho-physical attacks(drunk, depending on his income etc)

I bet she wouldn't like to live in medieval europe where 'traditional' was so common!

[N1019]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFW0z0Y5TR4

Good video, but sadly, the traditional woman is not coming back to the Western world. At least, not yet. For the time being, there is still enough funny money in the economy and the welfare state to support their false strength and independence, and to keep men from assuming their natural position of leadership. Meanwhile, many parts outside the West are actively playing catchup with the West in terms of feminism. That includes the Islamic world in some respects. Big mistake; more fool them for going there.

[Bari]

A woman CAN be hit for anything anywhere. That doesnt mean it is right, and Islam denounces beating women.

Islam allows beating your wife as diciplinary action when all other efforts fail. But it is not allowed to beat so hard that you create bruises, not in the face, and don't curse at her while doing it. It is best to hit on the back very lightly. Like stern patting. It is not meant to hurt but correct behavior, done out of love not hatred.

But before you do this you must inform her of your rights as husband and her duties as wife as according to Allah swt. If this doesn't work refuse to share the bed with her and sleep in another room. After one week the wife usually yields and there is no need for further corrections. A husband going overboard in beatings will have to answer for it in court of Allah swt.

[Seya]

Islam allows beating your wife as diciplinary action when all other efforts fail. But it is not allowed to beat so hard that you create bruises, not in the face, and don't curse at her while doing it. It is best to hit on the back very lightly. Like stern patting. It is not meant to hurt but correct behavior, done out of love not hatred.

But before you do this you must inform her of your rights as husband and her duties as wife as according to Allah swt. If this doesn't work refuse to share the bed with her and sleep in another room. After one week the wife usually yields and there is no need for further corrections. A husband going overboard in beatings will have to answer for it in court of Allah swt.

this is more a punishment for the husband then it is for the wife

[Jana]

No one is forcing women in Muslim nations to dress that way. Obviously, there is social pressure to do so, but in the west, there is social pressure to dress in a revealing way. I much prefer that to be the societal norm to what we have in the west.

Christian woman are required to cover their hair when they visit Iran despite they aren't muslim. So it's not a free society. Women in Saudi Arabia aren't allowed to leave their house without a man or to drive alone, or to go to a football game.
Please. If these countries were so great everyone would want to move there (since they're wealthy) but no one does so; insted all these traditional west-hating muslims want to reach Europe despite dangers of the journey. It says enough.

[Bari]

this is more a punishment for the husband then it is for the wife
Maybe to a morally degenerate, promiscious woman. But the rules are meant for Muslim women who are far above the low state of most westernized women. In Your case it would probably would lead to flogging.

http://i.imgur.com/PnFSjy4.png

[Heather Duval]

I dont know why some people are getting thumb up for this thread. Youll nevah find any traditional woman because you dont even work and spend time on TA.
Traditional women needs niggas with money so they can sit down everyday and talk about reality shows in the security of their house.
Work is for free bitches.

[Sekarotuinen]

Islam allows beating your wife as diciplinary action when all other efforts fail. But it is not allowed to beat so hard that you create bruises, not in the face, and don't curse at her while doing it. It is best to hit on the back very lightly. Like stern patting. It is not meant to hurt but correct behavior, done out of love not hatred.

But before you do this you must inform her of your rights as husband and her duties as wife as according to Allah swt. If this doesn't work refuse to share the bed with her and sleep in another room. After one week the wife usually yields and there is no need for further corrections. A husband going overboard in beatings will have to answer for it in court of Allah swt.
Yes, he may hit lightly with the back of his hand and not create bruises, ie a gentle slap.

[Rethel]

this is more a punishment for the husband then it is for the wife

But if you are one of four wives...

[Sekarotuinen]

Christian woman are required to cover their hair when they visit Iran despite they aren't muslim. So it's not a free society. Women in Saudi Arabia aren't allowed to leave their house without a man or to drive alone, or to go to a football game.
Please. If these countries were so great everyone would want to move there (since they're wealthy) but no one does so; insted all these traditional west-hating muslims want to reach Europe despite dangers of the journey. It says enough.
And, Iran shouldnt do that, I agree.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Islam allows beating your wife as diciplinary action when all other efforts fail. But it is not allowed to beat so hard that you create bruises, not in the face, and don't curse at her while doing it. It is best to hit on the back very lightly. Like stern patting. It is not meant to hurt but correct behavior, done out of love not hatred.

But before you do this you must inform her of your rights as husband and her duties as wife as according to Allah swt. If this doesn't work refuse to share the bed with her and sleep in another room. After one week the wife usually yields and there is no need for further corrections. A husband going overboard in beatings will have to answer for it in court of Allah swt.

that poor 19 years old I hope she becomes an apricitians. also lol at that not sharing your bed with you , that s a victory for a woman. muslim women don't need to use the headache excuse lol

[crazyladybutterfly]

Maybe to a morally degenerate, promiscious woman. But the rules are meant for Muslim women who are far above the low state of most westernized women. In Your case it would probably would lead to flogging.

http://i.imgur.com/PnFSjy4.png

that quote of the Saudi guy sounds like what ugly women tell themselves lol