Do North-Central Italians have more Germanic or more Celtic affinity?

[Sikeliot]

People often assume Germanic input, due to some phenotypical similarities and geographical proximity.

But might many of the more "northern" affinities actually be linked to the fact that the northern 1/3 of Italy was, for much of history, a Celtic-speaking region that was continuous with France, and the people of Gallic derivation?

Also, the Italic and Celtic languages are said to be sister branches of the Indo-European family tree.

[Figaro]

I'd guess Celtic.

[Sikeliot]

I also think that we should view these northern affinities as native, not transplanted, as much of Italy was historically continuous with France.

[Lucas]

What do you define by North-Central? Tuscany, Lazio?

[Lavrentis]

Celtic from the Antiquity, Germanic from the Middle Ages, and a little earlier. It is interesting that most of the northern Italians who have Celtic or Germanic origins still retain an Italian look.

[RN97]

Celtic, they're more Swiss-like than Swedish-like

[Sikeliot]

Celtic, they're more Swiss-like than Swedish-like


Swiss are Celtic too?

[JohnSmith]

People often assume Germanic input, due to some phenotypical similarities and geographical proximity.

But might many of the more "northern" affinities actually be linked to the fact that the northern 1/3 of Italy was, for much of history, a Celtic-speaking region that was continuous with France, and the people of Gallic derivation?

Also, the Italic and Celtic languages are said to be sister branches of the Indo-European family tree.

IDK, I have some North Central Italian blood thought it is Italic.

[RN97]

Swiss are Celtic too?

Yeah pretty sure celts are actually central European and not northwestern European. IDK really, but if you look at celtic people in ancient Europe, they were found mostly in France and central Europe.

[Percivalle]

Of course, more Celtic, Italo-Celtic and Italic.


Yeah pretty sure celts are actually central European and not northwestern European. IDK really, but if you look at celtic people in ancient Europe, they were found mostly in France and central Europe.

A Bronze age Bell Beaker R1b U152 from Bavaria, South Germany, Central Europe.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 46.11
2 Atlantic 25.76
3 Baltic 17.75
4 Eastern_Euro 7.67
5 Sub-Saharan 2.52
6 West_Med 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Norwegian 9.14
2 Swedish 9.33
3 Norwegian 10.25
4 North_Dutch 11.61
5 Danish 12.37
6 North_Swedish 12.54
7 Orcadian 12.73
8 West_Scottish 12.94
9 Irish 13.29
10 North_German 14.36
11 Southeast_English 14.96
12 Southwest_English 16.21
13 West_German 17.7
14 Southwest_Finnish 18.29
15 South_Dutch 19.42
16 Finnish 20.13
17 East_German 20.71
18 French 23.64
19 Hungarian 23.86
20 La_Brana-1 24.09

Bronze Age from Rathlin Island, Co. Antrim, Ireland, an Irish proto-Celt?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 32.45
2 North_Sea 31.58
3 Baltic 12.95
4 Eastern_Euro 11.65
5 West_Asian 3.29
6 South_Asian 3.17
7 Amerindian 1.87
8 Sub-Saharan 1.59
9 West_Med 1.39
10 Red_Sea 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 7.71
2 Danish 8.22
3 Irish 8.29
4 West_Scottish 8.61
5 North_Dutch 9.59
6 Southeast_English 9.62
7 Orcadian 10.88
8 Southwest_English 11.43
9 Norwegian 11.78
10 Swedish 12.03
11 South_Dutch 12.1
12 North_Swedish 12.51
13 West_Norwegian 12.98
14 Southwest_Finnish 14
15 East_German 14.55
16 West_German 14.87
17 Austrian 16.65
18 French 17.07
19 Finnish 17.76
20 Hungarian 18.8

[Sikeliot]

Of course, more Celtic, Italo-Celtic and Italic.



A Bronze age Bell Beaker R1b U152 from Bavaria, South Germany, Central Europe.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 46.11
2 Atlantic 25.76
3 Baltic 17.75
4 Eastern_Euro 7.67
5 Sub-Saharan 2.52
6 West_Med 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Norwegian 9.14
2 Swedish 9.33
3 Norwegian 10.25
4 North_Dutch 11.61
5 Danish 12.37
6 North_Swedish 12.54
7 Orcadian 12.73
8 West_Scottish 12.94
9 Irish 13.29
10 North_German 14.36
11 Southeast_English 14.96
12 Southwest_English 16.21
13 West_German 17.7
14 Southwest_Finnish 18.29
15 South_Dutch 19.42
16 Finnish 20.13
17 East_German 20.71
18 French 23.64
19 Hungarian 23.86
20 La_Brana-1 24.09

Bronze Age from Rathlin Island, Co. Antrim, Ireland, an Irish proto-Celt?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 32.45
2 North_Sea 31.58
3 Baltic 12.95
4 Eastern_Euro 11.65
5 West_Asian 3.29
6 South_Asian 3.17
7 Amerindian 1.87
8 Sub-Saharan 1.59
9 West_Med 1.39
10 Red_Sea 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 7.71
2 Danish 8.22
3 Irish 8.29
4 West_Scottish 8.61
5 North_Dutch 9.59
6 Southeast_English 9.62
7 Orcadian 10.88
8 Southwest_English 11.43
9 Norwegian 11.78
10 Swedish 12.03
11 South_Dutch 12.1
12 North_Swedish 12.51
13 West_Norwegian 12.98
14 Southwest_Finnish 14
15 East_German 14.55
16 West_German 14.87
17 Austrian 16.65
18 French 17.07
19 Finnish 17.76
20 Hungarian 18.8



Very close to Irish today. And even English.