Ancient Northern Italic gedmatch samples

[de Burgh II]

Remedello culture

The Remedello culture (Italian Cultura di Remedello) developed during the Copper Age (3rd millennium BC) in Northern Italy, particularly in the area of the Po valley. The name comes from the town of Remedello (Brescia) where several burials were discovered in the late 19th century.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedello_culture

Allensoft et al. (2015) Supplementary information. (p. 13 out of 46)

https://s2.postimg.org/tp2xu0b55/Untitled.jpg

https://www.nature.com/article-assets/npg/nature/journal/v522/n7555/extref/nature14507-s1.pdf

More information on Remedello sample(s):
https://s30.postimg.org/j74mfvaxt/Untitled.jpg

http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html


Remedello RISE487 (3483-3107 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1 - GEDmatch kit T699825

Eurogenes k15:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 54.89
2 Atlantic 42.42
3 Baltic 2.54
4 North_Sea 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 24.7
2 French_Basque 30.85
3 Spanish_Aragon 34.13
4 Southwest_French 34.24
5 Spanish_Andalucia 34.73
6 Spanish_Cantabria 34.76
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 35.2
8 Spanish_Valencia 35.9
9 Spanish_Extremadura 38.18
10 Spanish_Murcia 38.32
11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 38.33
12 Spanish_Cataluna 38.94
13 Portuguese 39.16
14 Spanish_Galicia 40.15
15 North_Italian 40.25
16 Tuscan 43.94
17 French 46.28
18 West_Sicilian 47.4
19 Greek 48.58
20 Mozabite_Berber 49.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% Sardinian + 34.8% French_Basque @ 21.77
2 82.6% Sardinian + 17.4% Southwest_French @ 24.16
3 83.8% Sardinian + 16.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 24.26
4 86.4% Sardinian + 13.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 24.39

Eurogenes ANE k7:
Population
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 71.36
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.26
East_African -
ENF 28.37

Remedello RISE489 (2908-2578 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a - GEDmatch kit T135721

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 55.26
2 Atlantic 32.55
3 North_Sea 6.21
4 East_Med 5.98


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sardinian @ 18.143852
2 Spanish_Andalucia @ 34.798351
3 Spanish_Aragon @ 34.973175
4 French_Basque @ 35.132645
5 Spanish_Cantabria @ 35.159615
6 Southwest_French @ 35.478748
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 35.728123
8 Spanish_Valencia @ 36.433784
9 Spanish_Extremadura @ 37.866299
10 Spanish_Murcia @ 38.266247
11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 38.626358
12 Portuguese @ 38.635635
13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 39.196629
14 North_Italian @ 39.390873
15 Spanish_Galicia @ 39.567963
16 Tuscan @ 43.229115
17 West_Sicilian @ 47.228046
18 French @ 47.378315
19 Mozabite_Berber @ 47.497490
20 Moroccan @ 48.484615

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sardinian +50% Sardinian @ 18.143852


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Sardinian +25% Sardinian +25% Sardinian @ 18.143852


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.660944
2 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 18.143852
3 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 18.780643
4 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 18.842245

Eurogenes ANE k7:
Population
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 65.22
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 34.78

Remedello RISE486 (2134-1773 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a - GEDmatch kit T319214
K15:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 45.54
2 Atlantic 30.69
3 East_Med 9.48
4 Baltic 6.11
5 Red_Sea 5.08
6 North_Sea 1.76
7 Sub-Saharan 1.34


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sardinian @ 13.900849
2 Spanish_Andalucia @ 27.036188
3 Spanish_Aragon @ 28.276064
4 Southwest_French @ 28.700207
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 28.747141
6 Spanish_Cantabria @ 28.931341
7 Spanish_Valencia @ 29.075689
8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 30.629692
9 French_Basque @ 30.671434
10 North_Italian @ 31.124207
11 Spanish_Murcia @ 31.125616
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 31.372900
13 Portuguese @ 31.797007
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 32.490398
15 Spanish_Galicia @ 32.924294
16 Tuscan @ 34.200768
17 Mozabite_Berber @ 37.460499
18 West_Sicilian @ 37.626236
19 Moroccan @ 38.718155
20 Greek @ 39.116592

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sardinian +50% Sardinian @ 13.900849


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Sardinian +25% Sardinian +25% Southwest_French @ 11.915246


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 10.110456
2 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 11.915246
3 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 12.130910
4 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 12.473613
5 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 12.503903

Eurogenes ANE k7:

Population
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 57.82
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 2.99
ENF 39.19

[Hamlet]

Interesting, perhaps this is naivety but I would have thought the ancient N. Italians would have been Celts - apparently not!

[GiCa]

Sardinian strikes again!

[Percivalle]

But it's not Italic, it's an EEF. Remedello culture is an EEF culture with ties to Otzi. Unfortunately we don't have any kind of Italic genome from Italy yet. There is Bell Beaker from Parma who hasn't been released yet.


Interesting, perhaps this is naivety but I would have thought the ancient N. Italians would have been Celts - apparently not!

But this sample is not an Italic and neither a Celt, it's known that he is an EEF.

I forgot that even the basic knowledge in this forum is often lacking.

[GiCa]

Interesting, perhaps this is naivety but I would have thought the ancient N. Italians would have been Celts - apparently not!

Celts arrived later maybe.

Their homeland is in Switzerland. Pretty near to northern Italy
An italic tribes were italic therefore, had a ancient connection to celts due to te italo-Celtic people meaning at even more ancient times Italics and celts were the same thing inhabitating central europe

[de Burgh II]

Interesting, perhaps this is naivety but I would have thought the ancient N. Italians would have been Celts - apparently not!

I would say that Celts and Germanics and some Italic tribes were more shifted towards being Steppe-shifted peoples who brought forth the Indo-European linguistic family until much later coinciding with the Late Neolithic to Early Bronze Age who mixed with pre/non-Indo-European peoples who were mostly neolithic farmer and WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherer) ancestry. Nevertheless, these pre-Indo-European Western and Southern European populations are very "southern-shifted" in the sense closest to Sardinians who are a good proxy genetically as a modern-day preserved population without any Steppe admixture.

The continental Celts have their origins centered more so in Central-Eastern Europe. Germanics in Northern Europe and Slavs/Balts in Eastern-Northeastern Europe, etc. Who seemed very "Steppe-shifted" during this time until its spread to Western/Southern/Southwestern Europeans during the Bronze Age. Hence, prehistoric Britons/Gaels/Italics/French/Iberians seem more "Neolithic-shifted" compared to Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans during this time.

[Oddone]

I forgot that even the basic knowledge in this forum is often lacking.

It's not always lack of knowledge but it's more lack of pussy and self-esteem. More the users are uncool, more they troll in this forum.

[Percivalle]

The continental Celts have their origins centered more so in Central-Eastern Europe. Germanics in Northern Europe and Slavs/Balts in Eastern-Northeastern Europe, etc. Who seemed very "Steppe-shifted" during this time until its spread to Western/Southern/Southwestern Europeans during the Bronze Age. Hence, prehistoric Britons/Gaels/Italics/French/Iberians seem more "Neolithic-shifted" compared to Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans during this time.

It's even more simple, they all are more Neolithic-shifted because Remedello samples are not Italic or Celt or what you want. It's like saying that Ballynahatty is an Irish Celt.

Anyway Remedello is somewhat similar to Ballynahatty, and all aren't exactly the same of modern-day Sardinians, but definitely more Basque-shifted. Ballynahatty seems even a bit closer to Sardinians though than the other two.

Remedello 1
65.2% Sardinian + 34.8% French_Basque @ 21.77

Remedello 2
82.8% Sardinian + 17.2% French_Basque @ 14.5


Ballynahatty
61.4% Sardinian + 38.6% French_Basque @ 6.44


Irish (Ballynahatty, Co. Down):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 43.2
2 Atlantic 32.67
3 North_Sea 8.68
4 East_Med 6.79
5 Red_Sea 3.22
6 Baltic 2.84
7 Northeast_African 1.36
8 Sub-Saharan 0.81
9 Southeast_Asian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 14.46
2 Spanish_Andalucia 20.06
3 Spanish_Aragon 20.23
4 Spanish_Cantabria 20.49
5 Southwest_French 20.84
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 20.86
7 French_Basque 21.56
8 Spanish_Valencia 21.58
9 Spanish_Extremadura 22.8
10 Spanish_Murcia 23.18
11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 23.36
12 Portuguese 23.64
13 Spanish_Cataluna 24.17
14 Spanish_Galicia 24.56
15 North_Italian 24.75
16 Tuscan 28.59
17 French 31.7
18 West_Sicilian 32.56
19 Greek 34.38
20 Italian_Abruzzo 34.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% Sardinian + 38.6% French_Basque @ 6.44
2 63% Sardinian + 37% Southwest_French @ 9.54
3 62.2% Sardinian + 37.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 9.58
4 62.8% Sardinian + 37.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 9.77
5 63.9% Sardinian + 36.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 10.12
6 65.7% Sardinian + 34.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 10.65
7 63.6% Sardinian + 36.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 10.75
8 68.7% Sardinian + 31.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 10.99
9 70.2% Sardinian + 29.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.25
10 69.2% Sardinian + 30.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 11.31
11 68.9% Sardinian + 31.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.37
12 82.1% Sardinian + 17.9% Irish @ 11.44
13 82.4% Sardinian + 17.6% West_Scottish @ 11.49
14 80.7% Sardinian + 19.3% Southwest_English @ 11.51
15 81.6% Sardinian + 18.4% Southeast_English @ 11.55
16 82.9% Sardinian + 17.1% Orcadian @ 11.62
17 70.7% Sardinian + 29.3% Portuguese @ 11.68
18 72.2% Sardinian + 27.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 11.86
19 83.6% Sardinian + 16.4% Danish @ 11.91
20 80.6% Sardinian + 19.4% South_Dutch @ 11.92

[Peterski]

Obviously they were Non-IE. They did not speak Italic languages.

[Peterski]

Sample ID / dating / Y-DNA haplo / GEDmatch kit / Single Pop. Sharing in Eurogenes K15:

RISE487 / 3483-3107 BC / I2a1a1 / T699825 / Sardinian
RISE489 / 2908-2578 BC / I2a1a1a / T135721 / Sardinian
RISE486 / 2134-1773 BC / I2a1a1a / T319214 / Sardinian

Check their admixtures in Eurogenes K36 by the way.

[de Burgh II]

It's even more simple, they all are more Neolithic-shifted because Remedello samples are not Italic or Celt or what you want. It's like saying that Ballynahatty is an Irish Celt.

Anyway Remedello is somewhat similar to Ballynahatty, and all aren't exactly the same of modern-day Sardinians, but definitely more Basque-shifted. Ballynahatty seems even a bit closer to Sardinians though.

Remedello 1
65.2% Sardinian + 34.8% French_Basque @ 21.77

Remedello 2
82.8% Sardinian + 17.2% French_Basque @ 14.5


Ballynahatty
61.4% Sardinian + 38.6% French_Basque @ 6.44


Irish (Ballynahatty, Co. Down):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 43.2
2 Atlantic 32.67
3 North_Sea 8.68
4 East_Med 6.79
5 Red_Sea 3.22
6 Baltic 2.84
7 Northeast_African 1.36
8 Sub-Saharan 0.81
9 Southeast_Asian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 14.46
2 Spanish_Andalucia 20.06
3 Spanish_Aragon 20.23
4 Spanish_Cantabria 20.49
5 Southwest_French 20.84
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 20.86
7 French_Basque 21.56
8 Spanish_Valencia 21.58
9 Spanish_Extremadura 22.8
10 Spanish_Murcia 23.18
11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 23.36
12 Portuguese 23.64
13 Spanish_Cataluna 24.17
14 Spanish_Galicia 24.56
15 North_Italian 24.75
16 Tuscan 28.59
17 French 31.7
18 West_Sicilian 32.56
19 Greek 34.38
20 Italian_Abruzzo 34.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% Sardinian + 38.6% French_Basque @ 6.44
2 63% Sardinian + 37% Southwest_French @ 9.54
3 62.2% Sardinian + 37.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 9.58
4 62.8% Sardinian + 37.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 9.77
5 63.9% Sardinian + 36.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 10.12
6 65.7% Sardinian + 34.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 10.65
7 63.6% Sardinian + 36.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 10.75
8 68.7% Sardinian + 31.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 10.99
9 70.2% Sardinian + 29.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.25
10 69.2% Sardinian + 30.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 11.31
11 68.9% Sardinian + 31.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.37
12 82.1% Sardinian + 17.9% Irish @ 11.44
13 82.4% Sardinian + 17.6% West_Scottish @ 11.49
14 80.7% Sardinian + 19.3% Southwest_English @ 11.51
15 81.6% Sardinian + 18.4% Southeast_English @ 11.55
16 82.9% Sardinian + 17.1% Orcadian @ 11.62
17 70.7% Sardinian + 29.3% Portuguese @ 11.68
18 72.2% Sardinian + 27.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 11.86
19 83.6% Sardinian + 16.4% Danish @ 11.91
20 80.6% Sardinian + 19.4% South_Dutch @ 11.92

Simply said, "Italic" is a more amenable term to denote the confederation of ancient peoples who inhabited the Italian peninsula from a historic perspective that included both Indo-European and Non-Indo European tribes. Before the absorption of all Italic tribes under the national-collectivist term "Roman" in antiquity. "Italian" merely denotes the modernistic perspective/nationality of peoples inhabiting the Italian peninsula. Hence, is a collective term to use for Italy's ancient history. Whereas denoting things as "EEF" and "WHG" is a more politically correct term from a genetic perspective. So its best to simplify the terms so it is easier for people to follow the context of what you are saying.

[Percivalle]

Simply said, "Italic" is a more amenable term to denote the confederation of ancient peoples who inhabited the Italian peninsula from a historic perspective that included both Indo-European and Non-Indo European tribes. Before the absorption of all Italic tribes under the national-collectivist term "Roman" in antiquity. "Italian" merely denotes the modernistic perspective/nationality of peoples inhabiting the Italian peninsula. Hence, is a collective term to use for Italy's ancient history. Whereas denoting things as "EEF" and "WHG" is a more politically correct term from a genetic perspective. So its best to simplify the terms so it is easier for people to follow the context of what you are saying.

It has a historical and cultural value, but in this context, genetics, the use of the term Italic creates only a lot of confusion.

[Not a Cop]

But it's not Italic, it's an EEF. Remedello culture is an EEF culture with ties to Otzi. Unfortunately we don't have any kind of Italic genome from Italy yet. There is Bell Beaker from Parma who hasn't been released yet.



But this sample is not an Italic and neither a Celt, it's known that he is an EEF.

I forgot that even the basic knowledge in this forum is often lacking.

They are certenly not pure EEFs, first two kits have very significant WHG admixture.

[Sikeliot]

The Irish sample and this North Italian are closest to Sardinians, Iberians, South Italians, Greeks, Moroccan even!

[Percivalle]

Villabruna (Epigravettian, Hunter-Gatherer R1b) from North Italy.


The Late Upper Paleolithic burial Villabruna 1 (Val Cismon, Belluno, Italy), directly dated to about 14,000 years ago (calibrated chronology), includes a well preserved skeleton accompanied by grave goods and covered with painted stones. The skeleton belongs to an adult male, about twenty-five years old, characterized by a relatively tall stature for the time period, short trunk and more linear body proportions than its contemporaries, similar to those of recent North-African populations. Multivariate statistical analysis of craniofacial characteristics place Villabruna 1 close to Le Bichon 1, a geographically and chronologically nearby specimen, suggesting genetic affinity among the last hunter and gatherers from the alpine region. Observations on dental wear and microwear indicate that the anterior dentition was involved in non-alimentary activities such as the mastication of fibrous materials including large abrasive contaminants. Whereas the information on dietary habits drawn from dental wear is not conclusive, stable isotopes analysis points to a terrestrially based diet rich in animal proteins. Biomechanical study of major long bones indicates heightened overall robusticity and marked humeral asymmetry. These results suggest intense unimanual activity, possibly linked to repeated throwing movements in hunting, and the combined effect of mobile lifestyle and mountainous terrain, as far as the femur is concerned. Paleopathological analysis did not reveal signs of any major event which might help identify a possible cause of death. However, macroscopic and radiographic examination of the skull reveals traces of porotic hyperostosis, indicative of a healed anemic condition. Finally, localized tibial periostitis, probably of traumatic origin, and lumbar hyperlordosis associated with deformations of vertebral bodies and L5 spondylolysis provide evidence of additional, minor, pathological changes.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 40.49
2 Baltic 28.24
3 Atlantic 22.57
4 Eastern_Euro 8.69
5 Oceanian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish 12.56
2 North_Swedish 13.66
3 Norwegian 14.77
4 Southwest_Finnish 15.06
5 West_Norwegian 15.46
6 Finnish 15.94
7 North_Dutch 16.31
8 North_German 16.84
9 Danish 16.99
10 Estonian 17.1
11 Irish 18.31
12 West_Scottish 18.57
13 East_German 18.66
14 La_Brana-1 19.14
15 Orcadian 19.59
16 Polish 19.76
17 Southeast_English 19.8
18 South_Polish 20.07
19 Hungarian 20.39
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.2% Swedish + 25.8% Lithuanian @ 10.5
2 66.8% Swedish + 33.2% Estonian @ 10.65
3 64% West_Norwegian + 36% Lithuanian @ 10.77
4 54.6% West_Norwegian + 45.4% Estonian @ 11
5 77.4% Swedish + 22.6% Belorussian @ 11.28
6 67.6% Norwegian + 32.4% Lithuanian @ 11.54
7 80.6% Swedish + 19.4% Estonian_Polish @ 11.59
8 57.9% Norwegian + 42.1% Estonian @ 11.6
9 76.7% Swedish + 23.3% La_Brana-1 @ 11.68
10 81.3% Swedish + 18.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 11.74
11 78.1% Swedish + 21.9% Polish @ 11.75
12 83.1% Swedish + 16.9% Southwest_Russian @ 11.84
13 52.4% North_Dutch + 47.6% Estonian @ 11.87
14 65.2% West_Norwegian + 34.8% Belorussian @ 11.88
15 84.2% Swedish + 15.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 11.92
16 73.6% Swedish + 26.4% Finnish @ 11.98
17 81.2% Swedish + 18.8% South_Polish @ 11.99
18 81.7% Swedish + 18.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 12
19 82.5% Swedish + 17.5% Ukrainian @ 12.04
20 56.1% Estonian + 43.9% Orcadian @ 12.12

Population
Anatolian Farmer -
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 90.37
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.55
Mediterranean Farmer 8.75
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.14
Bantu Farmer 0.20


puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 80.79
2 Anatolian_NF 15.14
3 Sub-Saharan 1.92
4 Oceanian 1.18
5 East_Asian 0.87
6 Siberian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 27.88
2 Estonian 28.69
3 Finnish 30.54
4 Belarusian 33.35
5 Russian 33.71
6 Icelandic 35.47
7 Swedish 37.17
8 Mordovian 38.6
9 Norwegian 39.08
10 Scottish_West 39.65
11 Czech 40.35
12 Chuvash 40.44
13 German_North 41
14 Dutch_North 41.8
15 Irish 42.14
16 English_South 43.7
17 Hungarian 44.78
18 Utahn_European 46.03
19 Dutch_South 46.95
20 German_South 47.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 100% Lithuanian + 0% Abkhasian @ 27.88
2 100% Lithuanian + 0% Adygei @ 27.88
3 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 27.88
4 100% Lithuanian + 0% African_American @ 27.88
5 100% Lithuanian + 0% Albanian @ 27.88
6 100% Lithuanian + 0% Algerian @ 27.88
7 100% Lithuanian + 0% Altaian @ 27.88
8 100% Lithuanian + 0% Ami @ 27.88
9 100% Lithuanian + 0% Armenian @ 27.88
10 100% Lithuanian + 0% Ashkenazi_Jew @ 27.88
11 100% Lithuanian + 0% Assyrian @ 27.88
12 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balkar @ 27.88
13 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balochi @ 27.88
14 100% Lithuanian + 0% Bambaran @ 27.88
15 100% Lithuanian + 0% Basque_Spaniard @ 27.88
16 100% Lithuanian + 0% BedouinA @ 27.88
17 100% Lithuanian + 0% BedouinB @ 27.88
18 100% Lithuanian + 0% Belarusian @ 27.88
19 100% Lithuanian + 0% Belgian @ 27.88
20 100% Lithuanian + 0% Bengali_Muslim @ 27.88


puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 80.79
2 Anatolian_NF 15.14
3 Sub-Saharan 1.92
4 Oceanian 1.18
5 East_Asian 0.87
6 Siberian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bichon 2.88
2 Hungary_HG_I1507 4.04
3 Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585 8.84
4 Karelia_HG_I0061 19.85
5 Loschbour_SG 22.91
6 Motala12 23.31
7 LaBrana 23.31
8 Samara_HG_I0124 27.39
9 Samara_Eneolithic_I0433 33.02
10 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 39.81
11 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 41.1
12 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 41.39
13 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 41.63
14 Vatya_SG_RISE479 42.08
15 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 42.19
16 Hungary_BA_I1502 42.35
17 Srubnaya_I0232 42.58
18 Potapovka_I0419 42.9
19 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 44.35
20 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 44.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.9% Bichon + 9.1% LaBrana @ 1.7
2 90.9% Bichon + 9.1% Motala12 @ 1.7
3 90.8% Bichon + 9.2% Loschbour_SG @ 1.71
4 81.6% Bichon + 18.4% Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585 @ 2.13
5 93.3% Bichon + 6.7% Karelia_HG_I0061 @ 2.52
6 73.3% Hungary_HG_I1507 + 26.7% Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585 @ 2.62
7 88.8% Hungary_HG_I1507 + 11.2% Loschbour_SG @ 2.83
8 88.9% Hungary_HG_I1507 + 11.1% LaBrana @ 2.84
9 88.9% Hungary_HG_I1507 + 11.1% Motala12 @ 2.84
10 94.7% Bichon + 5.3% Hungary_HG_I1507 @ 2.88
11 100% Bichon + 0% Samara_HG_I0124 @ 2.88
12 100% Bichon + 0% Samara_Eneolithic_I0433 @ 2.88
13 100% Bichon + 0% Afanasievo_SG_RISE511 @ 2.88
14 100% Bichon + 0% Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 @ 2.88
15 100% Bichon + 0% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 @ 2.88
16 100% Bichon + 0% Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 @ 2.88
17 100% Bichon + 0% Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 @ 2.88
18 100% Bichon + 0% Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 @ 2.88
19 100% Bichon + 0% Hungary_BA_I1502 @ 2.88
20 100% Bichon + 0% Vatya_SG_RISE479 @ 2.88

[Percivalle]

They are certenly not pure EEFs, first two kits have very significant WHG admixture.

Certainly not an Italic either. In a PCA they all seem in direction of Basques.



The Irish sample and this North Italian are closest to Sardinians, Iberians, South Italians, Greeks, Moroccan even!

Very close indeed, @49.27 @ 48.484615 @ 37.460499 @ 38.718155.

[War Chef]

How can the Celts take over north Italy but leave a pocket of this guy?

You all make no sense. Lots of fantasy & imagination

[Peterski]

Here is what those three get in Eurogenes K36:

RISE487 (years 3483-3107 BC):

Basque 1.14
Iberian 47.41
Italian 22.57
West_Med 28.88

RISE489 (years 2908-2578 BC):

Basque 9.34
Iberian 28.02
Italian 28.18
West_Med 34.46

RISE486 (years 2134-1773 BC):

Arabian 11.50
Basque 8.83
East_Balkan 5.43
Iberian 19.02
Italian 22.71
West_Med 32.51

They are from Remedello di Sotto in North Italy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedello

[Sikeliot]

Very close indeed, @49.27 @ 48.484615 @ 37.460499 @ 38.718155.

Closer than to other people.

[Percivalle]

Closer than to other people.

Actually they were closer, especially the oldest ones, to Iberians and Basques.


They are certenly not pure EEFs, first two kits have very significant WHG admixture.

The oldest Remedello are more Basque-like. The youngest Remedello and the Irish Ballynahatty are closer to Sardinians (If I did everything correctly).


https://s29.postimg.org/m3bpe0mkn/K15_V4_Remedello_and_Ballynahatty.jpg

Other ancient samples for comparison

http://oi67.tinypic.com/egtlch.jpg

http://oi65.tinypic.com/2pov3v7.jpg

[Petalpusher]

They are certenly not pure EEFs, first two kits have very significant WHG admixture.

Remedello is Copper age, a mix of EEF and mesolithic, surely with the local Villabruna type, so very high WHG, like all CA/LN.

[Ibericus]

Interesting, perhaps this is naivety but I would have thought the ancient N. Italians would have been Celts - apparently not!
Nope. These samples are from the Chalcolithic. The indoeuropean invasions came after that, in the Bronze Age.

[Hamlet]

Are these people the original Alpines? Where do Alpines even come from, and do W. Euro and E. Euro Alpines have the same source?

[dududud]

Some are more sardinian shifted, some are more basque shifted.

It's like with the nuragh sample; they are all more basque shifted that modern sardinian.