MyHeritage: Share of Sicilians' European ancestry that is Greek, Italian, etc.

[Sikeliot]

I stole this spreadsheet format from my ABF cousin Oditous who does this for Afrodiasporans.

It is obvious that most of the European ancestry in Sicily is Greek, and that the Greek population intermarried with and assimilated everyone from Elymians to Sicanians to Phoenicians to the Italic population, and by the time Arabs and Normans got there, the natives were already mixed with Greek.

I scaled their European to 100%. The balance is the combination of their MENA.

http://i.imgur.com/fhXgkyQ.png

[Sikeliot]

Raine can officially claim us now. Raine, where are you?!

[Sikeliot]

For what it is worth, here is the same for the MENA:

http://i.imgur.com/AEL5UvK.png

[Isleño]

I stole this spreadsheet format from my ABF cousin Oditous who does this for Afrodiasporans.

It is obvious that most of the European ancestry in Sicily is Greek, and that the Greek population intermarried with and assimilated everyone from Elymians to Sicanians to Phoenicians to the Italic population, and by the time Arabs and Normans got there, the natives were already mixed with Greek.

I scaled their European to 100%. The balance is the combination of their MENA.

http://i.imgur.com/fhXgkyQ.png
Alcara li fusi vs Carini or Salaparuta are like two different groups of people. Heterogeneous.

[Sikeliot]

Alcara li fusi vs Carini or Salaparuta are like two different groups of people. Heterogeneous.

It's interesting because the person from Carini has higher total MENA than most of the others, but her European side is different (more Italian, but she still does score Greek). Overall she ends up close to Ashkenazim on her Oracles. The person from Salaparuta is similar to her but a less MENA version.

But the two differ. The one from Carini has a sizable Caucasus component while the one from Salaparuta does not.

The rest of the results are what they look like... basically Greeks with an additional touch of MENA and Italian, from the people the original Greek population assimilated.

[Voskos]

The higher the West Asian admixture, the bigger the likelihood of Greek-Balkan-Arbereshe influence.for example messina has the highest west asian and highest Greek at the same time.

[Sikeliot]

Most of these look like Cretans but with North African.

Greek component correlates with Caucasus here but it didn't for the Trapanese person who got over half Greek but no Caucasus. Nor for Albania, mainland Greece and Apulia.

[Era]

Raine can officially claim us now. Raine, where are you?!

What? Why? We get Greek too. That's how they labeled it.

[Sikeliot]

What I've read is Greeks first settled the east coast and then expanded westward across the island, which is reflected here in that everyone scores some Greek.

[Hadouken]

For what it is worth, here is the same for the MENA:

http://i.imgur.com/AEL5UvK.png

35 - 55% west asian ? really ? wtf

[MinervaItalica]

I really want to know where did you get those charts... :picard2:


Raine can officially claim us now. Raine, where are you?!

Us?

[Sikeliot]

35 - 55% west asian ? really ? wtf


That's their share of MENA scaled to 100%.

[Sikeliot]

I really want to know where did you get those charts... :picard2:


Us?

I made them. It says so in the first post .......

[Hadouken]

That's their share of MENA scaled to 100%.

I dont get it . why is it listed under west asia ?

[Sikeliot]

I dont get it . why is it listed under west asia ?


I broke their non European into West Asia, North Africa and Middle East. Why is this confusing? I listed in one of the first columns their total combined MENA and then the share of that which fits into the three groups.

[Seya]

I broke their non European into West Asia, North Africa and Middle East. Why is this confusing? I listed in one of the first columns their total combined MENA and then the share of that which fits into the three groups.

where can i see your MyHeritage result?

[Sikeliot]

where can i see your MyHeritage result?


In the thread. But it's irrelevant to this topic.

[Not a Cop]

What I've read is Greeks first settled the east coast and then expanded westward across the island, which is reflected here in that everyone scores some Greek.

My Grandad is 1\2 Baltic German, 1\4 Pskov Russian and 1\4 Belarussian Polish i wonder when did Greeks colonised NE europe?

http://i.imgur.com/1Mf6Esj.png

[Carlito's Way]

I will try to find you more Sicilian results

[Sikeliot]

I will try to find you more Sicilian results

Please do. I am especially interested in seeing Syracuse and Enna (they should be even more Greek than any of these), but any region will do :)

[Sikeliot]

So here is what we can gather:

Every person thus far has had Greek, North African, and Levantine in them.
Most have mainland Italian and West Asian/Caucasus.

and then some have Iberian, Ashkenazi, and East Euro.

[Isleño]

What I've read is Greeks first settled the east coast and then expanded westward across the island, which is reflected here in that everyone scores some Greek.

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder806/500x/70011806/my-big-fat-greek-wedding-gus-give-me-a-word-any-word-i-show-you-how-root-is-greek.jpg

[Peterski]

35 - 55% west asian ? really ? wtf

Carthaginians = Phoenicians (West Asia + MENA) and North Africans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn4xHbPXOHY

[Sikeliot]

Carthaginians = Phoenicians (from West Asia) + North Africans.

The West Asian is likely Bronze Age migration from Anatolia through the Balkans and then into Italy. It could have arrived from settlement by Aegean islanders (mainland Greeks don't score it though). On the other hand, the Middle East and North African would be from Phoenician, Carthaginian, Arab, etc.

[Peterski]

My Grandad is 1\2 Baltic German, 1\4 Pskov Russian and 1\4 Belarussian Polish i wonder when did Greeks colonised NE europe?

http://i.imgur.com/1Mf6Esj.png

Maybe it was a two-way movement?: :p

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route_from_the_Varangians_to_the_Greeks

[Not a Cop]

Maybe it was a two-way movement?: :p

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route_from_the_Varangians_to_the_Greeks

Yeah, form thousand years ago, the only solution i see is that test is straight bullshit.

[wvwvw]

My Grandad is 1\2 Baltic German, 1\4 Pskov Russian and 1\4 Belarussian Polish i wonder when did Greeks colonised NE europe?

http://i.imgur.com/1Mf6Esj.png

He scores very little Greek though.

It's not like Northern Europe was a stranger to Ancient Greeks. Haven't you seen the Petroglyphs in Sweden, or the Minoan colony in Northern Germany or read about the Greeks that lived together with Italo-Celts in Hyperborea (Britain) and the later Trojan colonizations there. Who do you think spread the linages Ev13 and J2 (plus a % of R1b) to Northern Europe. The only advanced civilization at that time were the Minoan and Myceanean Greeks.

New Survey Says Greeks Taught Agriculture to Neolithic Scandinavians

The scientists examined the DNA of four Scandinavian farmers of the Neolithic Age and found that they had more genes in common with inhabitants of the Mediterranean countries, such as Greeks, Cypriots or Sardinians, rather than with Northern people.
- See more at: http://eu.greekreporter.com/2012/05/01/new-survey-says-greeks-taught-agriculture-to-neolithic-scandinavians/#sthash.t1mVD0VU.dpuf


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ai6fHL7z2A&sns=em

[gültekin]

For what it is worth, here is the same for the MENA:

http://i.imgur.com/AEL5UvK.png
i score just %7 west asia. what is the west asia and MENA % of Greeks ?

[Sikeliot]

i score just %7 west asia. what is the west asia and MENA % of Greeks ?


Only present in islanders at similar rate as Sicily.

[gültekin]

Only present in islanders at similar rate as Sicily.
which subgroub west asia of them ? Mizrahi Jewish - Iranian/Iraqi or just west asian ?

[Sikeliot]

which subgroub west asia of them ? Mizrahi Jewish - Iranian/Iraqi or just west asian ?


West Asia

[gültekin]

West Asia

would be nice if you have an screenshot which you can share
this is mine
https://s1.postimg.org/lluuys6r3/Capture_west_asia.jpg

[Sikeliot]

This thread isn't for that. Make your own.

[wvwvw]

Raine can officially claim us now. Raine, where are you?!

I don't need to claim anyone. It is a historical fact that Southern Italy had been colonised by waves of Greeks since 1600 BC. Have you any idea how old that is? The genetics of those people combined with the other admixtures of Italic peoples they acquired over millenia, became the 'Italian' component but that doesn't mean their Greek vanished. Same goes for Palestinians who's Greek integrated with the Arabic, Syrian, Beduin admixture and became "Palestinian".

[Sikeliot]

I don't need to claim anyone. It is a historical fact that Southern Italy had been colonised by waves of Greeks since 1600 BC. Have you any idea how old that is? The genetics of those people combined with the other admixtures of Italic peoples they acquired over millenia, became the 'Italian' component but that doesn't mean their Greek vanished. Same goes for Palestinians who's Greek integrated with the Arabic, Syrian, Beduin admixture and became "Palestinian".

Sicilians also have Phoenician and other Near Eastern as you can see which for some exceeds the Italic.

[gültekin]

This thread isn't for that. Make your own.
my questions is about this thread. the subgroup of West Asia of this individuals is important

[wvwvw]

I stole this spreadsheet format from my ABF cousin Oditous who does this for Afrodiasporans.

It is obvious that most of the European ancestry in Sicily is Greek, and that the Greek population intermarried with and assimilated everyone from Elymians to Sicanians to Phoenicians to the Italic population, and by the time Arabs and Normans got there, the natives were already mixed with Greek.

I scaled their European to 100%. The balance is the combination of their MENA.

http://i.imgur.com/fhXgkyQ.png

Elymians? More like Tyrrhenians

It was the Romans who assimilated all the different tribes of Italy.

During the Greek period for example, Tyrrhenians still spoke their language and all the unrelated tribes of Etruria spoke their own languages.

[Sikeliot]

Elymians? More like Tyrrhenians

It was the Romans who assimilated all the different tribes of Italy.

During the Greek period for example, Tyrrhenians still spoke their language and all the unrelated tribes of Etruria spoke their own languages.

No Tyrrhenians in Sicily.

[wvwvw]

West Asia

The West Asian probably comes from Cypriots the first agriculturalists to reach Greece and Balkans.

[Sikeliot]

The West Asian probably comes from Cypriots the first agriculturalists to reach Greece and Balkans.

It could be Bronze Age pre-Greek migration from Balkan region.

Middle East and North Africa should obviously be from Phoenicians, Arabs, etc.

[wvwvw]

Sicilians also have Phoenician and other Near Eastern as you can see which for some exceeds the Italic.

Maybe it is Phrygian. The Armenians are supposed to be a branch of the Phrygians and originally came from the region around Macedonia. Since they are descended from Comerus Gallus they are related to the Italians. Before they were unified under Haik the son of Togarmah the son of Comerus, one of their kings Sabatius Saga (the brother of Nembroth son of Cush son of Chomasbelus, king of Assyria) was expelled and came to Italy where his son Sabus ruled over the Sabines, and another part of the country ruled by Aram from which the name Armenians comes from was conquered by the Assyrians, hence the Aramaens were originally Armenians and then became Syrians. Kardos Ara Araian the son of Ara the son of Aram had an afair with Semriamis the widow of Ninus and their descendents became kings of the Medes (ie. Kurds) although Ctesius and Berosus call them Assyrians which they clearly are not given the names of their kings are clearly Median, ie. Mithraeus is the same name as Medus and Medidus.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Please do. I am especially interested in seeing Syracuse and Enna (they should be even more Greek than any of these), but any region will do :)

Bear in mind that Greek reference is made up of everything of South Balkan, it's not Greeks per se as you tend to translate it, it's just got label with anything thrown in, also this test doesn't determine supposed greek ancestry of South Italians, for instance I know for a fact that Ghegs have no Greek ancestry but somehow score pretty high 'Greek', these table are meaningless and inaccurate as hell if you want to determine the ancestry of Italians if that's what your intention is.

[Sikeliot]

Bear in mind that Greek reference is made up of everything of South Balkan, it's not Greeks per se as you tend to translate it, it's just got label with anything thrown in, also this test doesn't determine supposed greek ancestry of South Italians, for instance I know for a fact that Ghegs have no Greek ancestry but somehow score pretty high 'Greek', these table are meaningless and inaccurate as hell if you want to determine the ancestry of Italians if that's what your intention is.

But in southern Italians it'd be either Greek or Albanian most likely or just ancient shared ancestry.

[wvwvw]

Bear in mind that Greek reference is made up of everything of South Balkan, it's not Greeks per se as you tend to translate it, it's just got label with anything thrown in, also this test doesn't determine supposed greek ancestry of South Italians, for instance I know for a fact that Ghegs have no Greek ancestry but somehow score pretty high 'Greek', these table are meaningless and inaccurate as hell if you want to determine the ancestry of Italians if that's what your intention is.

And the Ghegs never colonized S.Italy while the Greek colonization is extensively documented and is backed by archeology too.

[Sikeliot]

Albanians score Greek because Illyrians and Greeks were closely related to begin with.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

And the Ghegs never colonized S.Italy while the Greek colonization is extensively documented and is backed by archeology too.

I'm not saying colonization from ancient Greeks did not occur but myheritage results doesn't determine true ancestry of South Italians but rather show a confusing results with a confusing 'Greek' label which could be anything from South Balkan therefore shouldn't be taken seriously as he takes.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Albanians score Greek because Illyrians and Greeks were closely related to begin with.

Yeah, but this is just a made up label with reference taken from modern populations of South Balkan, for example if this was named under 'Albanian' category I shouldn't be seeing this as Albanian per se category unless it was solely present among Albanians, Arvanites and not reaching other groups of people like you see it with 'Greek'.

[Sikeliot]

I'm not saying colonization from ancient Greeks did not occur but myheritage results doesn't determine true ancestry of South Italians but rather show a confusing results with a confusing 'Greek' label which could be anything from South Balkan therefore shouldn't be taken seriously as he takes.


Well for Sicilians its most likely to be Greek or Albanian..

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Well for Sicilians its most likely to be Greek or Albanian..

You tend to see this way to literally when it's not.

[Sikeliot]

I reopened this. Do not troll it again with off topic. 8 pages of that shit is unacceptable.

[Sikeliot]

Updated:

http://i.imgur.com/CoOErZI.png

[Sikeliot]

Update.

http://i.imgur.com/Tjoc9Jo.png

[Sikeliot]

Updated. Two new results from Agrigento. Both scored Greek as their top European component. A new European low of 55% from a town in Agrigento, proving this to be the least European part of Sicily (and possibly of Europe unless Malta and Cyprus are counted).

http://i.imgur.com/YmcNIUR.png

[Bobby Martnen]

I stole this spreadsheet format from my ABF cousin Oditous who does this for Afrodiasporans.

It is obvious that most of the European ancestry in Sicily is Greek, and that the Greek population intermarried with and assimilated everyone from Elymians to Sicanians to Phoenicians to the Italic population, and by the time Arabs and Normans got there, the natives were already mixed with Greek.

I scaled their European to 100%. The balance is the combination of their MENA.

http://i.imgur.com/fhXgkyQ.png

what I find interesting is that Palermitans and Messinians score significant Sardinian, but it is completely absent from everyone else.

[Sikeliot]

what I find interesting is that Palermitans and Messinians score significant Sardinian, but it is completely absent from everyone else.

They also have more Caucasian.

[Bobby Martnen]

They also have more Caucasian.

Yes, but most of these Sicilians score Caucasian. Do you have any idea why some regions would have significant Sardinian, but the others have none at all?

[Sikeliot]

Yes, but most of these Sicilians score Caucasian. Do you have any idea why some regions would have significant Sardinian, but the others have none at all?

I am unsure.