DNA TRIBES RESULTS.

[Erronkari]

ADMIXTURE ANALYSIS
http://i.imgur.com/kbOnIUX.png

DNA TRIBES MULTIDIMENSIONAL SCALING
http://i.imgur.com/sxBsOFR.jpg

DNA TRIBES ADMIXTURE ANALYSIS 53 REGIONAL CLUSTERS
http://i.imgur.com/eSskPsL.jpg

DNA TRIBES MULTIDIMENSIONAL SCALING 53 REGIONAL CLUSTERS
http://i.imgur.com/cNMo0jm.jpg

DNA TRIBES POPULATION ADMIXTURE NATIVE AND JEWISH POPULATIONS
http://i.imgur.com/XpdvhmX.jpg

DNA TRIBES POPULATION ADMIXTURE NATIVE AND JEWISH POPULATIONS 2
http://i.imgur.com/xMMcvay.jpg

DNA TRIBES TOTAL FIT EUROPEAN POPULATIONS
http://i.imgur.com/j6K4CgV.png

DNA TRIBES TOTAL FIT EUROPEAN POPULATIONS 2
http://i.imgur.com/Uhg6T7d.png

DNA TRIBES WORLD GENETIC GRID
http://i.imgur.com/ljty1c2.jpg

Very interesting and curious resuts.
It's the first test which gives me North Africa and Middle Eastern contribution, and a very big amount: 24%.
It sounds accurate judging my native contribution, 4,2% (All calculators gave me between 2,2% to 4,5%, so it's perfect in this case), and also because according them my most important contribution is Basque (Spanish and French). Most calculators agreed with that, they consider that my most important ancestry comes from the Basque Area and Aragon (Northern/North-Eastern Spain).
The jewish contribution could be accurate too (I think that may be the Sephardic could be included in that region: MENA),
Also this is the first test which gave me SSA, in this case Khoisan (probably Bushman or Hottentot) from Namibia... I think that it's perfectly possible, although it's the first test which gives me that feedback.
Probably the most curious contributions in this test are the MENA and the danish, but it could be reliable... why not?

[Peterski]

Cool results!

Probably part of your European is included in MENA (it can be some ancient MENA admixture, not anything recent, or it can be shared ancestry, or Euro-like genes in MENA populations). It gave me some MENA etc. as well, even though on other tests I get 100% European or 100% West Eurasian:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212984-Litvin-s-DNA-Tribes-Report-(FTDNA-raw-data-transfer)


most important contribution is Basque (Spanish and French). Most calculators agreed with that, they consider that my most important ancestry comes from the Basque Area and Aragon (Northern/North-Eastern Spain).

Yes, it is in agreement with your GEDmatch results, including Eurogenes K36! :)


The jewish contribution could be accurate too (I think that may be the Sephardic could be included in that region: MENA)

Yes, some part of your high percentage of MENA genes is most likely due to Jewish admixture. But did any other tests also detect your Jewish admixture, or did they not give you any Jewish?

Not only Sephardic Jews, but also Ashkenazi Jews have a lot of MENA ancestry.

[Erronkari]

Hmmm not really, mate...
FTDNA and My Heritage gave me 0%, although some Gedmatch Calculators gave me a little more than 0.50%.
But as you said probably some Euro is included in MENA, especially that Sephardic contribution.
In the Eurogeneses Jtest I score close of 8% MENA, I think that parte of it is sephardic too.
And My Heritage and DNA LAND gave me some Ashkenazi but a little amount (1,2% and 1,1%).
And according the Jtest I score 4,67% Ashkenazi, quite similar of this test.
I think that indeed my results were the most reliable, because yours and Mlukas's... not really...

[Erronkari]

Ops... sorry... this test gave me 8% Ashkenazi and 5-6% sephardic....

[Numidia]

The tests don't seem to be accurate
The mena admix is certainly paleolithic purest basques have genetic affinities with riffians and kabylians

[Peterski]

Hmmm not really, mate... FTDNA and My Heritage gave me 0%, although some Gedmatch Calculators gave me a little more than 0.50%.

Sorry you don't have SSA on other tests, I confused something.

This DNA Tribes tests gave me 0.2% of Sub-Saharan as well. :)

I guess that it is a little bit more "noisy" than other tests.

[Erronkari]

The tests don't seem to be accurate
The mena admix is certainly paleolithic purest basques have genetic affinities with riffians and kabylians

Excellent point! I think that it's quite frequent the R1b in both.

[Peterski]

The mena admix is certainly paleolithic purest basques

It can be from several different sources, including Neolithic and Post-Neolithic migrations as well. The most recent MENA contribution in Iberia was from Moors, but it couldn't be as high as 24%.

All of European Jews are at least 50% MENA genetically. So it can be Jewish too.

[Erronkari]

Cool results!

Probably part of your European is included in MENA (it can be some ancient MENA admixture, not anything recent, or it can be shared ancestry, or Euro-like genes in MENA populations). It gave me some MENA etc. as well, even though on other tests I get 100% European or 100% West Eurasian:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212984-Litvin-s-DNA-Tribes-Report-(FTDNA-raw-data-transfer)



Yes, it is in agreement with your GEDmatch results, including Eurogenes K36! :)



Yes, some part of your high percentage of MENA genes is most likely due to Jewish admixture. But did any other tests also detect your Jewish admixture, or did they not give you any Jewish?

Not only Sephardic Jews, but also Ashkenazi Jews have a lot of MENA ancestry.

That's really interesting!

[Peterski]

It shows your Amerindian side as mostly Wichi.

Did other tests also show it as Wichi before?

[Peterski]

AFAIK, Jews from the Netherlands are more mixed with locals than other Jews.

What I mean is that they have a lot of "local gentile" (Dutch etc.) blood as well.

Did other tests also gave you Jewish admixture, and how much of it?

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BTW, this model (explaining 84% of your ancestry) looks interesting, I think:

2. Basque 47% + Denmark 9% + Sardinia 28%

Sardinia is like "Neolithic Farmer", Denmark is "Germanic & Celtic", I guess.

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Here are some of my models, for comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/DPPwyIz.png

1. Belarus 48% + Denmark 36% + Slovenia 10% (= 94%)
2. Lithuania 40% + Slovenia 36% + Denmark 24% (= 100%)
4. Czechia 51% + Russia 15% + Sweden 26% (= 92%
5. Russia 42% + Slovenia 30% + Sweden 28% (= 100%)
8. Ireland 36% + Russia 21% + Slovakia 34% (= 91%)

This can't be interpreted literally, because I don't have recent ancestry from any of these places (my recent ancestry is all from Western Poland). This shows some ancient mixtures.

But it gives me Balto-Slavic + Germanic + Celtic stuff.

[Erronkari]

It shows your Amerindian side as mostly Wichi.

Did other tests also show it as Wichi before?

Yes, according David Wesolowski (Polako), of Gedmatch in Eurogeneses Basal Rich K7 más Global10: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213062-Gedmatch-Eurogeneses-Basal-Rich-K7-and-Global10.
It sounds very reliable judging that Wichi amerinds are from my country. :D


Wichi folk: https://en.m.wikiped

[Peterski]

There were Celts in Denmark as well, according to this publication:

http://www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf

So "Denmark" can represent both Germanic and Celtic admixtures.

[Erronkari]

AFAIK, Jews from the Netherlands are more mixed with locals than other Jews.

What I mean is that they have a lot of "local gentile" (Dutch etc.) blood as well.

Did other tests also gave you Jewish admixture, and how much of it?

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BTW, this model (explaining 84% of your ancestry) looks interesting, I think:

2. Basque 47% + Denmark 9% + Sardinia 28%

Sardinia is like "Neolithic Farmer", Denmark is "Germanic & Celtic", I guess.

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Here are some of my models, for comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/DPPwyIz.png

1. Belarus 48% + Denmark 36% + Slovenia 10% (= 94%)
2. Lithuania 40% + Slovenia 36% + Denmark 24% (= 100%)
4. Czechia 51% + Russia 15% + Sweden 26% (= 92%
5. Russia 42% + Slovenia 30% + Sweden 28% (= 100%)
8. Ireland 36% + Russia 21% + Slovakia 34% (= 91%)

This can't be interpreted literally, because I don't have recent ancestry from any of these places (my recent ancestry is all from Western Poland). This shows some ancient mixtures.

But it gives me Balto-Slavic + Germanic + Celtic stuff.

Very interesting!!!
This is my Jewish Contribution according Gedmatch Jtest:



Jtest Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes Jtest model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes Ancestry Project blog.


Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 1.20
EAST_EURO 3.46
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 16.44
ATLANTIC 35.23
WEST_MED 24.73
ASHKENAZI 4.67
EAST_MED 7.96
WEST_ASIAN 0.53
MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.89
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.20
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN 2.10
SIBERIAN 0.42
WEST_AFRICAN 0.19
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet

[Erronkari]

And these are my results according DNA LAND And My Heritage. The jewish is very little, but exists according them. ;)

http://i.imgur.com/d3zi7Ih.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/T7ZKrDU.jpg (http://imgur.com/T7ZKrDU)

[Erronkari]

There were Celts in Denmark as well, according to this publication:

http://www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf

So "Denmark" can represent both Germanic and Celtic admixtures.

May be I might have some Celtic Genes.
My paternal haplogroup is R1b, and I had the hair a little reddish/ginger when I was a little child hahaha.

http://i.imgur.com/cvMcsul.jpg

[Peterski]

It gave you some Italian or Italian-like ancestry too.

Is it accurate? :confused: Some regions of Italy used to be parts of the Spanish Empire, so some of "Spanish" immigrants to American colonies could actually be Italian subjects of Spanish kings:

Green = Spanish Empire (European part) in 1648:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spanish_empire_and_the_republic_in_1648.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/Spanish_empire_and_the_republic_in_1648.png/531px-Spanish_empire_and_the_republic_in_1648.png

[Erronkari]

It gave you some Italian or Italian-like ancestry too.

Is it accurate? :confused: Some regions of Italy used to be parts of the Spanish Empire, so some of "Spanish" immigrants to American colonies could actually be Italian subjects of Spanish kings:

Green = Spanish Empire (European part) in 1648:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spanish_empire_and_the_republic_in_1648.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/Spanish_empire_and_the_republic_in_1648.png/531px-Spanish_empire_and_the_republic_in_1648.png

Exactly!!! South Italy was part of the Aragon's crown!

In my case, indeed most calculators give me italian ancestry.
In the case of FTDNA, gives me 4%, Polako gives me 4,65%, DNA LAND gives me 9,8% sardinian and this DNA Tribes gives me 25% I think.
And Dr Doug Mc Donald give me more, around 29/32% italian.
Finally, according 36K I score 12,42% italian.
This is my Doug Mc Donald Test, which gives me high italian and also some sephardic:

http://i.imgur.com/mMbRUu6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rLNJPfA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TSiRF1d.jpg

[Lucas]

Very interesting!!!
This is my Jewish Contribution according Gedmatch Jtest:



Jtest Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes Jtest model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes Ancestry Project blog.


Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 1.20
EAST_EURO 3.46
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 16.44
ATLANTIC 35.23
WEST_MED 24.73
ASHKENAZI 4.67
EAST_MED 7.96
WEST_ASIAN 0.53
MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.89
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.20
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN 2.10
SIBERIAN 0.42
WEST_AFRICAN 0.19
Oracle
Oracle-4

Spreadsheet

For Iberian person 4.67% Askhenazi is under scored:)
ES 5.27
PT 5.56

But I don't know if Polako include in this test Sephardi.

[Erronkari]

For Iberian person 4.67% Askhenazi is under scored:)
ES 5.27
PT 5.56

But I don't know if Polako include in this test Sephardi.

Yes Mlukas.
It's a good question... if sephardi is included in Ashkenazi or in the East Med there...

[Peterski]

These are K36 results of some of our Jewish users:

Longbowman:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?74245-Post-your-results-for-Eurogenes-K36&p=3691460&viewfull=1#post3691460

23.10% Italian
14.40% East_Med
11.09% Iberian
11.07% Near_Eastern
5.77% Arabian
5.25% Armenian
4.57% West_Med
4.19% North_Caucasian
4.14% East_Balkan
3.16% North_African
3.16% North_Atlantic
2.59% North_Sea
2.35% West_Caucasian
1.51% French
1.24% East_Central_Euro
0.86% South_Central_Asian
0.73% Basque
0.43% Omotic
0.25% Amerindian
0.15% East_Central_Asian

Philo:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?74245-Post-your-results-for-Eurogenes-K36&p=1686957&viewfull=1#post1686957

19.86% East_Med
14.32% Italian
13.38% Near_Eastern
13.11% Iberian
5.60% West_Caucasian
5.53% French
5.44% Arabian
4.72% Armenian
3.13% North_Caucasian
3.00% North_African
2.27% Central_Euro
2.06% East_Balkan
2.09% East_Central_Euro
1.81% West_Med
1.81% North_Atlantic
0.83% Basque
0.62% Malayan
0.34% Oceanian
0.05% North_Sea
0.02% Fennoscandian
0.01% Eastern_Euro

[kingjohn]

very cool results :cool:
the sefhardic shared markers could be
middle eastern snp shared or more likely an iberian shared snp with the sefhardic refrence dna tribes use

they notice your basque ancestery the north west european is maybe conected to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians who were celts so it is a shared markers .
i don't think the aschenazi is real
it might be just middle eastern shared markers with aschenazi .... not real aschenazi ancestery
regards
adam

p.s
the sub-sharan can also be noise .....
you can see in the
http://imgur.com/xMMcvay that you have some mororcan jews in some of them this the refrence dna tribes used for sefhardi
i hope more people with iberian ancestery will took this test thanks for sharing

[Erronkari]

Thank you Litvin and Kingjohn for your comments.
Regarding the jewish ancestry... well... I see that people who have huge jewish contribution score a big amount of East Med and Near Eastern, and that's not my case (neither North African):

Population
Amerindian 3.61
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 22.84
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.86
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.66
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 0.39
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 0.96
French 4.29
Iberian 25.17
Indo-Chinese 0.47
Italian 12.42
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.74
North_African 1.04
North_Atlantic 11.00
North_Caucasian 0.12
North_Sea 2.71
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.19
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.34
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 8.19

So, may be I could have jewish ancestry, but could be only a little amount, or as you think just noise.

But regarding the SSA, may be it could be reliable in this way... according the Gedmatch Dodecad Africa9 I have a residual of San (Khoisan) and it agree with DNA TRIBES:


Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 Europe 71.95
2 SW_Asia 17.89
3 NW_Africa 8.75
4 San 1.42

I know that this calculator is 100% afro-centrist, but it's an interesting coincidence between it and DNA TRIBES.
Another explanation, that I score a very little SSA in most of calculators, could be that SAN are Capoids, and may be some calculators don't include them in Subsaharan African Group.
Anyway, it's very interesting, but it will be amazing to could see other results in DT in the future.
Unhappily Litvin's and Mlukas's results seem unreliable.

[kingjohn]

look at your eurogenes k36
{north atlantic 11 %} +{ north sea 2.71 %}= 13.71 % north west european genes refrences { cornwell scotland kent britain }
very close to the 12% north west european that dna tribes gave you

p.s
i knew it is a good test { in your case except the aschenazi thing ???? } :)
even the amerindian in 3.6% in k36 is close to the 4% dna tribes gave you impresive .....

[Erronkari]

look at your eurogenes k36
{north atlantic 11 %} +{ north sea 2.71 %}= 13.71 % north west european genes refrences { cornwell scotland kent britain }
very close to the 12% north west european that dna tribes gave you

p.s
i knew it is a good test { in your case except the aschenazi thing ???? } :)
even the amerindian in 3.6% in k36 is close to the 4% dna tribes gave you impresive .....

You are right!!!! Despite the Jewish ancestry, this calculator seems very very accurate in my case!!!
The Basque is still my most important ancestry... I also have North Western Euro (North Atlantic according K36), the Native American amount agree with K36 (and mostly with FTDNA which gives me 4%, same case of Dr. Doug Mc Donald and similar of Polako, between 3.70% and 3.85%).
And finally the residual Khoisan of Namibia find a coincidence with Dodecad Africa9.
And also the Danish with the North Sea in K36.
For other cases DNA TRIBES seem quite inaccurate but in my case it seems really good.
I feel really surprised!

[Erronkari]

Do you think that this calculator could be accurate and good just detecting african ancestry??? Because I feel really surprised, first giving the feedback of Khoisan Namibian ancestry... and it's coincidence with Dodecad Africa9... but also I see that they seem have a lot of african simples by folks....


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[kingjohn]

anakin
can you please ask them about the 8% aschenazi in table 2 regional clusters :
here is there emaill : dna@dnatribes.com
tell them you score 1% aschenazi and how did they reach 8% ?
they will answere you they are nice
i am very curious about there answere

adam