Y DNA and mtDNA Haplogroup Predictor

[Noman]

For Y DNA:

Auto-extraction:
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Manually:
https://ytree.morleydna.com/

For mtDNA:

https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/


The process is so simple. Just select the raw DNA data file, upload, and follow the instructions. If stuck, feel free to ask!

[Enflamme]

Cool dude! Thanks :)

(arfff, doesn't work with FTDNA raw data...)

[Noman]

Cool dude! Thanks :)

(arfff, doesn't work with FTDNA raw data...)
Ah, just saw. It might not work with FTDNA.

[Dibran]

For Y DNA:

Auto-extraction:
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Manually:
https://ytree.morleydna.com/

For mtDNA:

https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/


The process is so simple. Just select the raw DNA data file, upload, and follow the instructions. If stuck, feel free to ask!

gives me the same 23 haplogroup. no further grouping.

[Myanthropologies]

Omg it predicted me to have this really rare haplogroup

It's a g haplogroup and here's what I found about it on wiki


G2b1 (M377) Edit
Main article: Haplogroup G-M377 (Y-DNA)
G-M377, now also known as G2b1, has previously been designated G2b and G2c. A clade of closely related Ashkenazi Jews represent virtually all G2b persons, with just three other G2b haplotypes having been reported so far: one Turk from Kars in northeast Turkey near Armenia, one Pashtun, and one Burusho in Pakistan.

The extreme rarity of G-M377 in northern Pakistan could indicate that G2b in this area originates outside the region and was brought there in the historic period, perhaps from further west (Pakistan was part of both the Achaemenid Persian Empire, conquered by Alexander the Great, and then formed a part of the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom). These two reported Pakistani G-M377 haplotypes are quite divergent from the Ashkenazi Jewish clade, and therefore do not at all indicate a recent common origin. The Turkish G-M377 is somewhat closer, but not identical. It remains to be seen if testing will reveal G-M377 haplotypes in other populations — this is some indication that G-M377 occurs at low levels in the Near East.

So apparently my origins are Middle Eastern and not Indo-European on my dad's side.

[turbosat]

Omg it predicted me to have this really rare haplogroup

It's a g haplogroup and here's what I found about it on wiki



So apparently my origins are Middle Eastern and not Indo-European on my dad's side.

It says here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_G-M377
" In 2012 Haplogroup G2b was found at a frequency of 60% out of a sample of 5 Pastuns in the Wardak region of Afghanistan. This is likely due to a local founder effect. [1]."

but when I look in study mentioned, none of the Pashtuns from Wardak have G2b. Three of them had G2c, one had L1c, and one had R1a1a

update: G2c of that time might now be designated as G2b which would make those Pashtuns 60% G2b.

[Voskos]

cool

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

With experimental tree: R1b1a2a1a2a1b3~2
R1b-L421 (R1b-L433, R1b-L88)

With ISOG tree:R1b1a2a1a2c
R1b-M529 (R1b-L459)

[Noman]

Omg it predicted me to have this really rare haplogroup

It's a g haplogroup and here's what I found about it on wiki



So apparently my origins are Middle Eastern and not Indo-European on my dad's side.

WTH!!! I am shocked!!!

Okay, hold on. There is one more way to find out both of your haplogroups.

Can you please upload your Ancestry DNA data file to WeGene? It's actually free, and WeGene gives you an ancestry with health report, along with haplogroups.

https://www.wegene.com/en/

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

1) H15

Defining Markers for haplogroup H15:
HVR2: 55C 57C 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H15 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 55C 57C 6253C ⇨ H15 ⇨ 3714G 15803A

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(7): 55C 263G 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G
Extras(2): 3714G 15803A
No-Calls(1): 57C
Untested(1): 15326


2) H15a

Defining Markers for haplogroup H15a:
HVR2: 55C 57C 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G 11410C 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H15a (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 55C 57C 6253C ⇨ H15 ⇨ 11410C ⇨ H15a ⇨ 3714G 15803A

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(7): 55C 263G 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G
Extras(2): 3714G 15803A
No-Calls(2): 57C 11410C
Untested(1): 15326


3) H15a1

Defining Markers for haplogroup H15a1:
HVR2: 55C 57C 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G 11410C 14953T 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H15a1 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 55C 57C 6253C ⇨ H15 ⇨ 11410C ⇨ H15a ⇨ 14953T ⇨ H15a1 ⇨ 3714G 15803A

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(7): 55C 263G 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G
Extras(2): 3714G 15803A
No-Calls(3): 57C 11410C 14953T
Untested(1): 15326

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

With experimental tree: R1b1a2a1a2a1b3~2
R1b-L421 (R1b-L433, R1b-L88)

Anyway, any of the TA's Y-DNA Gods can explain this to me? Is it the virtually the same shit as R1b-L21 or is it something else?

[Tschaikisten]

This is the best Y-DNA predictor.
Nevgen.org (http://www.nevgen.org)

[turbosat]

Omg it predicted me to have this really rare haplogroup

It's a g haplogroup and here's what I found about it on wiki



So apparently my origins are Middle Eastern and not Indo-European on my dad's side.

This has some info about ydna haplogroup G and G2b etc.
http://www.marres.education/G-M201.htm

ARCHAEOGENETICS
Wezmeh Cave Zagros, Iran
The oldest archaeologically find, which has been determined to belong to the Y-DNA haplogroup G, is a man who had G2b. His remains are found in the Wezmeh Cave in the Zagros Mountains, the far west of Iran. He lived 9,250 cal.BP. He most likely had brown eyes, relatively dark skin, and black hair, although Neolithic Iranians carried reduced pigmentation-associated alleles in several genes and derived alleles at 7 of the 12 loci showing the strongest signatures of selection in ancient Eurasians.

Zagros-mountains
http://www.marres.nl/afb/zagros-mountains.jpg

Early Neolithic G2b man.
http://www.marres.nl/afb/Kermanshah_Pal_Museum.jpg

[Dick]

WeGene gives you an ancestry with health report, along with haplogroups.

https://www.wegene.com/en/

Smart.

[Danza]

For Y DNA:

Auto-extraction:
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Manually:
https://ytree.morleydna.com/

For mtDNA:

https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/


The process is so simple. Just select the raw DNA data file, upload, and follow the instructions. If stuck, feel free to ask!

How does one actually get their results? There's no mention for email, etc.

[Karol Klačansky]

Can you please upload your Ancestry DNA data file to WeGene? It's actually free, and WeGene gives you an ancestry with health report, along with haplogroups.

https://www.wegene.com/en/

I uploaded my results a while ago. I don't see any where an option for ydna and Mt-dna or health. Just an ethnicity it estimate


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[Myanthropologies]

Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

1) H15

Defining Markers for haplogroup H15:
HVR2: 55C 57C 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H15 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 55C 57C 6253C ⇨ H15 ⇨ 3714G 15803A

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(7): 55C 263G 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G
Extras(2): 3714G 15803A
No-Calls(1): 57C
Untested(1): 15326


2) H15a

Defining Markers for haplogroup H15a:
HVR2: 55C 57C 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G 11410C 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H15a (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 55C 57C 6253C ⇨ H15 ⇨ 11410C ⇨ H15a ⇨ 3714G 15803A

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(7): 55C 263G 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G
Extras(2): 3714G 15803A
No-Calls(2): 57C 11410C
Untested(1): 15326


3) H15a1

Defining Markers for haplogroup H15a1:
HVR2: 55C 57C 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G 11410C 14953T 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H15a1 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 55C 57C 6253C ⇨ H15 ⇨ 11410C ⇨ H15a ⇨ 14953T ⇨ H15a1 ⇨ 3714G 15803A

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(7): 55C 263G 750G 1438G 4769G 6253C 8860G
Extras(2): 3714G 15803A
No-Calls(3): 57C 11410C 14953T
Untested(1): 15326


This is the best Y-DNA predictor.
Nevgen.org (http://www.nevgen.org)

How do you use it?

[Karol Klačansky]

For Y DNA:

Auto-extraction:
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Manually:
https://ytree.morleydna.com/

For mtDNA:

https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/


The process is so simple. Just select the raw DNA data file, upload, and follow the instructions. If stuck, feel free to ask!
The Mt-dna predictor doesn't support ancestry raw data...

[de Burgh II]

Anyway, any of the TA's Y-DNA Gods can explain this to me? Is it the virtually the same shit as R1b-L21 or is it something else?

Based off what you have shown it is a subclade of R1b-DF27 of the paraclade R-Z195*

You in particular have the mutation: R-CTS4188.

http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=19148

https://www.geni.com/projects/R-Z195-Y-DNA/39070


https://s9.postimg.org/3syegtv2n/Untitled.jpg

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-P312/

Frequency of R-Z195 distribution:
https://s4.postimg.org/jbgyqmmrx/Untitledd.jpg

https://yhrd.org/tools/branch/R1b-Z195

[Noman]

How does one actually get their results? There's no mention for email, etc.

I used it by myself, and it worked well for me. It won't ask you for your email to send you results. The results will shown within a min or two.
Just follow the steps.


I uploaded my results a while ago. I don't see any where an option for ydna and Mt-dna or health. Just an ethnicity it estimate. The Mt-dna predictor doesn't support ancestry raw data...

https://www.wegene.com/en/report/ancestry/
This links shows me my ethnicity estimates and haplogroups.

mtDNA predictor might not work with every service, but WeGene works for Ancestry DNA.

[Leto]

Is it possible to convert FTDNA raw data into 23andme raw data and then upload it on there to have a haplogroup prediction?

[Karol Klačansky]

Is it possible to convert FTDNA raw data into 23andme raw data and then upload it on there to have a haplogroup prediction?
Yes should be, DNA land already converts the file to 23 and me format. So u can try that.

[motormike]

Hi Viriato, I received the same grouping as (most likely). Were you able to find out more regarding this haplogroup and subclades? My eyes are burning and brain is swelling from all the research.

R1b1a2a1a2a1b3~2
R1b-L421 (R1b-L433, R1b-L88)

Green - Derived for L11/PF6539/S127 and PF6546/P310/S129 then nothing green
I show Red -Ancestral on DF27/S250 and CTS4188
...until L88.

[Voskos]

Nevgen predicted my haplogroup very well(+subclade).Then I compared STR markers to others and predicted my terminal SNP myself which was confirmed by more in depth testing.

[Dick]

Nevgen predicted my haplogroup very well

Mine too, R&b.

[Voskos]

Mine too, R&b.

R1b gave you a bad tan bro.

[Enflamme]

i've the same result that on 23andme...

[jerjes]

i uploaded my ancestry raw data its SAYS my haplogroup is I2A2A1B WTF!! British Irish haplogroup!!
anyone upload ancestry dna TO WEGENE and compare the results with FTDNA???

[Dick]

i uploaded my ancestry raw data its SAYS my haplogroup is I2A2A1B WTF!! British Irish haplogroup!!
anyone upload ancestry dna TO WEGENE and compare the results with FTDNA???
Hanky panky from a British trooper in Iraq?

[TEUTORIGOS]

Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

1) H55a

Defining Markers for haplogroup H55a:
HVR2: 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 3387C 4709T 4769G 8860G 10646A 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H55a (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 10646A ⇨ H55 ⇨ 3387C 4709T ⇨ H55a ⇨ 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(1): 3387C
Extras(109): 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G
Untested(8): 263 750 1438 4709 4769 8860 10646 15326

2) H2a1k

Defining Markers for haplogroup H2a1k:
HVR2: 263G
CR: 750G 951A 3396C 8860G 15326G
HVR1: 16354T

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H2a1k (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 951A 16354T ⇨ H2a1 ⇨ 3396C ⇨ H2a1k ⇨ 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Flips(1): 3396A
Extras(109): 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G
Untested(6): 263 750 951 8860 15326 16354

2) H13a2b4

Defining Markers for haplogroup H13a2b4:
HVR2: 263G
CR: 709A 750G 2259T 4769G 8266G 8860G 9548A 13762G 14872T 15217A 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H13a2b4 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 14872T ⇨ H13 ⇨ 2259T ⇨ H13a ⇨ 709A ⇨ H13a2 ⇨ 13762G ⇨ H13a2b ⇨ 1438A 8266G 9548A 15217A ⇨ H13a2b4 ⇨ 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(1): 15217A
Extras(109): 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G
Untested(12): 263 709 750 1438 2259 4769 8266 8860 9548 13762 14872 15326

2) H86

Defining Markers for haplogroup H86:
HVR2: 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 1809C 4769G 8860G 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H86 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 1809C ⇨ H86 ⇨ 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Flips(1): 1809A
Extras(109): 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G
Untested(6): 263 750 1438 4769 8860 15326

3) H2a2a1

Defining Markers for haplogroup H2a2a1:
HVR2:
CR:
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H2a2a1 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

Good Match! Your results also had extra markers for this haplogroup:
Extras(110): 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

3) H26c

Defining Markers for haplogroup H26c:
HVR2: 146C 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 4769G 8860G 10562G 11152C 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H26c (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 11152C ⇨ H26 ⇨ 146C 10562G ⇨ H26c ⇨ 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Flips(1): 10562T
Extras(109): 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G
Untested(8): 146 263 750 1438 4769 8860 11152 15326

3) H1c17

Defining Markers for haplogroup H1c17:
HVR2: 263G 477C
CR: 750G 1438G 3010A 4769G 8860G 15325C 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H1c17 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 3010A ⇨ H1 ⇨ 477C ⇨ H1c ⇨ 15325C ⇨ H1c17 ⇨ 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Flips(1): 15325G
Extras(109): 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G
Untested(8): 263 477 750 1438 3010 4769 8860 15326

[TEUTORIGOS]

So it looks like I am this one , right ?

3) H2a2a1

Defining Markers for haplogroup H2a2a1:
HVR2:
CR:
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H2a2a1 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

Good Match! Your results also had extra markers for this haplogroup:
Extras(110): 1003T 1005G 1241T 1289T 1308C 1380A 1383C 1389T 1391G 1404T 1436G 1506C 1809A 2937C 2989T 3008A 3242A 3250A 3255C 3270T 3273A 3289T 3302C 3375G 3387C 3393T 3396A 3459G 3634G 3696G 3699G 3732G 3945G 4135A 4283G 4331G 4809G 5520G 5531G 5548G 5557A 5813T 5815A 6263G 6327C 6479G 6720T 7273C 7525A 7670T 7895G 8362G 8527T 8528G 8837G 8850T 9184T 9437G 9803G 9951G 10009T 10157T 10190T 10196G 10437A 10449A 10562T 11695G 11777G 11811A 11983T 12146G 12182G 12191G 12200T 12206G 12257C 12296T 12314G 12319A 12337T 12611A 12704C 12769A 12810T 12847C 13041G 13044A 13512G 13636A 14452G 14458G 14483T 14494A 14708T 14830G 14845G 14848T 14889A 14984G 15196T 15217A 15241G 15256G 15325G 15496G 15571T 15578A 15811G 15966G

[maycroft19]

Anyway, any of the TA's Y-DNA Gods can explain this to me? Is it the virtually the same shit as R1b-L21 or is it something else?

Did you find anything about this?? I have the same exact Y-SNP #'s

R1b1a2a1a2a1b3~2
R1b-L421 (R1b-L433, R1b-L88)

[Tmact1]

Hello everyone, I just recently begun delving into my genealogy and am a bit overwhelmed by all the information. I am currently taking a class in which we study the bible as literature. While reading the old testament I expressed to my professor that I felt a disconnect because I was not Israeli. He advised that it is normal to feel that way, and that during the New Testament he becomes the all loving God regardless of your "origin". However, now I am beginning to wonder if perhaps maybe I do have a bit of "Israeli" in me? My genetic makeup according to Ancestry.com is 33% Native American, 25% Italy/Greece, 23% Iberian Peninsula, Remainder: Other regions. Anyways I went ahead and ran my raw data through MorleyDNA and arrived at the "most like subclade" (which I still dont fully understand) as:

R1b1a2a1a2a1b3~2R1b-L421 (R1b-L433, R1b-L88)

which I noticed several of you have here as well. So what does this all mean? Are we all related? Do we have a common ancestor or more? Could I perhaps have some Israeli in me? lol. I look forward to any responses. Best, Tony.

[Gangrel]

Origins guys?

https://i.imgur.com/KQMDVBL.png

[Kelmendasi]

Origins guys?

https://i.imgur.com/KQMDVBL.png

"J2a1-M47 is found at low frequency (1-5%) in Anatolia, Georgia, Iran, Iraq and Gulf states." Like other clades of J2a it probably has origins in eastern Turkey or the southern Caucasus and probably expanded from there during the Neolithic

[Gangrel]

"J2a1-M47 is found at low frequency (1-5%) in Anatolia, Georgia, Iran, Iraq and Gulf states." Like other clades of J2a it probably has origins in eastern Turkey or the southern Caucasus and probably expanded from there during the Neolithic

im rare as fuck b

http://memes.ucoz.com/_nw/24/13130849.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

im rare as fuck b

http://memes.ucoz.com/_nw/24/13130849.jpg
Yh this clade seems to be a rare clade of J2a. You are paternally descended from native Neolithic Anatolians going by this

[Levant15]

Does anyone know why my Haplogroup changed from J1 (23andme) to J2 (Ancestry dna) under morly site?

Also, the mtDNA site will not work for my ancestry data.
Same for wegene, it gives me an error now

Sent from my FRD-L04 using Tapatalk

[Kelmendasi]

Does anyone know why my Haplogroup changed from J1 (23andme) to J2 (Ancestry dna) under morly site?

Also, the mtDNA site will not work for my ancestry data.
Same for wegene, it gives me an error now

Sent from my FRD-L04 using Tapatalk
Probably because of the number of Ydna SNPs that Ancestry tests when compared to 23andme, 23andme tests more so is more accurate

[samario]

I got a bunch of imperfect matches regarding my mtDNA haplogroup.

[samario]

I know what my mtDNA haplogroup is. Is there a way to find out about the specific subclade?

Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

1) U6a3

Defining Markers for haplogroup U6a3:
HVR2: 73G 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3348G 4769G 7028T 7805A 8860G 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 14179G 14766T 15326G 15790T
HVR1: 16172C 16189C 16219G 16278T

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup U6a3 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 3348G 16172C ⇨ U6 ⇨ 16219G ⇨ U6a'b'd ⇨ 7805A 14179G 16278T ⇨ U6a ⇨ 16189C ⇨ U6a(T16189C) ⇨ 15790T ⇨ U6a3 ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(15): 73G 263G 1438G 2706G 3348G 7028T 7805A 8860G 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 14179G 15790T 16172C
Extras(15): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T
Untested(7): 750 4769 14766 15326 16189 16219 16278

[Kyp]

Ive converted myheritage data to 23andme raw data and now It gets me a mtdna result.
Can it be accurate?

[Rocinante]

Ive converted myheritage data to 23andme raw data and now It gets me a mtdna result.
Can it be accurate?

Nop. MyHeritage doesn't test SNPs for mtDNA, so it is impossible that you are going to get it, no matter the way.

[Kyp]

Nop. MyHeritage doesn't test SNPs for mtDNA, so it is impossible that you are going to get it, no matter the way.

Okay thanks I thought so. I just was surprised that it got me a result. (H2a2a1)

[Rocinante]

Okay thanks I thought so. I just was surprised that it got me a result. (H2a2a1)

That´s the standard result of that tool using any MyHeritage raw data, i don´t know why (i get H2 too, and i might be H3 or H1 instead).

Judging by your Y-DNA, your paternal side is the iranian one right? R-Z93 is a west asian haplogroup, not that common in Europe, so your maternal side is german, you might be H16.

[Kyp]

That´s the standard result of that tool using any MyHeritage raw data, i don´t know why (i get H2 too, and i might be H3 or H1 instead).

Judging by your Y-DNA, your paternal side is the iranian one right? R-Z93 is a west asian haplogroup, not that common in Europe, so your maternal side is german, you might be H16.

Correct. Will test in the future.

[samario]

https://i.postimg.cc/fRDPMwg4/Screenshot-2020-07-16-at-13-15-06.png

https://i.postimg.cc/xCB0Zk5V/Screenshot-2020-07-16-at-13-21-03.png

[Rocinante]

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/haplogroup-r1a-Z93.png

[samario]

That´s the standard result of that tool using any MyHeritage raw data, i don´t know why (i get H2 too, and i might be H3 or H1 instead).

Judging by your Y-DNA, your paternal side is the iranian one right? R-Z93 is a west asian haplogroup, not that common in Europe, so your maternal side is german, you might be H16.

R-Z93 didn't originally hail from West Asia. It traces its origins back to Northeastern Europe and from there it spread elsewhere. The Pontic-Caspian Steppe and the spread of Indo-European languages into Asia are often associated with this haplogroup. Some Germanic tribes came into close contact with Scythian tribes (former R-Z93 bearers) around the Black Sea basin, this explains the incidence of the haplogroup in the northern Scottish islands, Spain and Western Europe in general as they teamed up at some point in history and moved westwards; in Eastern Europe, it is present in Ukraine, Crimea and other places. Nowadays, many people in Central Asia bear this haplogroup and they tend to be turkified Iranians.

Within Europe, it's usually more common in the northern and northeastern tips of the continent but it reaches its highest incidence in the Altai Mountains in Siberia, where many Scythian burials have been found.

This is what 23AndMe says about the haplogroup:


Your paternal line stems from a branch of R-M420 called R-M512. Today, the men who share your haplogroup are most common in Eastern Europe, Russia and Ukraine. The lineage is also quite common in Poland, but decreases in frequency toward the Mediterranean countries. Farther to the west, about one-third of Norwegian men and a quarter of men from the far northern British Isles carry R-M512. Their ancestors arrived with various groups over the past 2,000 years, including with the Anglo-Saxons from central Europe in the 5th century and the Vikings who came from Scandinavia beginning about 800 CE.

Additionally, the haplogroup is still relatively common in the Middle East, as well as in Central and South Asia where it reaches levels of up to 60% among the Kyrgyz and the Tajiks.

[Rocinante]

R-Z93 didn't originally hail from West Asia. It traces its origins back to Northeastern Europe and from there it spread elsewhere. The Pontic-Caspian Steppe and the spread of Indo-European languages into Asia are often associated with this haplogroup. Some Germanic tribes came into close contact with Scythian tribes (former R-Z93 bearers) around the Black Sea basin, this explains the incidence of the haplogroup in Western Europe as they teamed up at some point in history and moved westwards; in Eastern Europe, it is present in Ukraine, Crimea and other places. Nowadays, many people in Central Asia bear this haplogroup and they tend to be turkified Iranians.

Within Europe, it's usually more common in the northern and northeastern tips of the continent but it reaches its highest incidence in the Altai Mountains in Siberia, where many Scythian burials have been found.

R-Z93 is indo-aryan, actually it is a very rare in Europe, only the Z283 is the one commonly found in Europe, it frecuency says it all. Curious thing is that the president of Israel is Z93.

[samario]

R-Z93 is indo-aryan, actually it is a very rare in Europe, only the Z283 is the one commonly found in Europe, it frecuency says it all. Curious thing is that the president of Israel is Z93.

Maybe his ancestors wandered off and ended up in Eastern Europe or Central Asia.

It's not the most common haplogroup but it has been found in populations all across Europe and it reaches a decent incidence (around 5% or more) in some places around Northern and Northeastern Europe. It's now most present in Central Asia, but it originated in Northeastern Europe and is linked with the advance of Indo-European peoples west of the Urals into the plains and deserts of Central Asia and the Altai mountains. It's definitely present amongst natives in Western Europe, too and I'm living proof of that, as are gixajo and other users unrelated to Turkic countries in Central Asia. A good chunk of R1-a Spaniards might be R-Z93 for all we know.


The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-Z93-Asia.png

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/R1a_migration_map.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

[Rocinante]

Maybe his ancestors wandered off and ended up in Eastern Europe or Central Asia.

It's not the most common haplogroup but it has been found in populations all across Europe and it reaches a decent incidence (around 5% or more) in some places around Eastern Europe. It's now most present in Central Asia, but it originated in Northeastern Europe and is linked with the advance of Indo-European peoples west of the Urals into the plains and deserts of Central Asia and the Altai mountains. It's definitely present amongst natives in Western Europe and I'm living proof of that, as are gixajo and other users unrelated to Turkic countries in Central Asia.

Gixajo is not Z93 yet. I never saw a western or any european with Z93 in Anthrogenica, the only 2 non-asian Z93 i know it's Nelju and you, which is curious, maybe linked with the expelled jews from the Iberian peninsula that went to America, not sure obviously. The thing is that Z93 is particularly west and south asian, and might come from iranic peoples, which are the people that have one of the biggest frecuencies of the clade.

I'm not an expert in R1a yet, only in R1b, but seems to be that Z93 is the same case as V88 in R1b.

[Kyp]

R-Z93 is indo-aryan, actually it is a very rare in Europe, only the Z283 is the one commonly found in Europe, it frecuency says it all. Curious thing is that the president of Israel is Z93.

Z93 is Indo-Iranian not Indo-Aryan. Indo-Aryan is a subbranch of Indo-Iranian. It's not West Asian either. It exists in low frequencies in Eastern Europe because of Scythians>Huns>Tatars.
I don't know how it got into Iberia though.

Highest frequency is the area between Kirgisistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan from where they spread into South Asia and Iran.

[samario]

Gixajo is not Z93 yet. I never saw a western or any european with Z93 in Anthrogenica, the only 2 non-asian Z93 i know it's Nelju and you, which is curious, maybe linked with the expelled jews from the Iberian peninsula that went to America, not sure obviously. The thing is that Z93 is particularly west and south asian, and might come from iranic peoples, which are the people that have one of the biggest frecuencies of the clade.

I'm not an expert in R1a yet, only in R1b, but seems to be that Z93 is the same case as V88 in R1b.

Not at all, there are British and Spaniards both on this forum and Anthrogenica who are R-Z93: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16491-R-Z93-in-100-British-autosomal, it doesn't have anything to do with Jews. R-Z93 didn't originate in the Levant nor is it common there. R-Z93 is a Northeastern European-Scythian haplogroup, that's the usual consensus and it moved westwards along with Viking/Germanic raids.

[Rocinante]

Z93 is Indo-Iranian not Indo-Aryan. Indo-Aryan is a subbranch of Indo-Iranian. It's not West Asian either. It exists in low frequencies in Eastern Europe because of Scythians, Huns and Tatars.
I don't know how it got into Iberia though.

Sorry, i meant indo-iranian :lmao what a foolish mistake. Exactly, what i said, it peaks in iranians, so that says a lot, but also seems to be that a lot of semitic peoples carry it, i don't know why.

I think it could come with scythians or jewish, this might explain why a lot of latinamericans have it.

[Kyp]

Sorry, i meant indo-iranian :lmao what a foolish mistake. Exactly, what i said, it peaks in iranians, so that says a lot, but also seems to be that a lot of semitic peoples carry it, i don't know why.

I think it could come with scythians or jewish, this might explain why a lot of latinamericans have it.

Highest frequency is in Kirgiz people, Pashtuns and some Pamiri groups. But it originated in Eastern Europe most likely, moved eastwards and only back migrated through Scythians, Huns and Tatars into Europe.

Yes I also have no answer for the arab/jewish mystery yet.

[samario]

Highest frequency is in Kirgiz people, Pashtuns and some Pamiri groups. But it originated in Eastern Europe most likely, moved eastwards and only back migrated through Scythians, Huns and Tatars into Europe.

Yes I also have no answer for the arab/jewish mystery yet.

I've done my research. In my case, my paternal Spanish side comes from Asturias which is in Northern Spain, a place with a long established history of Germanic and Viking raids. The Alans and other Scythian-like tribes joined Germanic tribes and invaded northern Spain, as well as the Scottish islands and parts of England. Also, many genetic sites such as MyTrueAncestry seem to point to the Pontic Steppe as the starting point from where my haplogroup migrated westwards and they link me with Germanic tribes such as the Gepids, a Gothic tribe who used to live in the area around the Black Sea where they came into contact with Scythians. R1a is rare in Spain, even more so in Latin America. It's a big coincidence Nelju (TA user) shares his haplogroup with me. As far as I know, it's not that common amongst Jews either, a lot of them have ancestry from Eastern Europe so I'm guessing that's why some of them might have it?

All in all, I'm almost certain it got into Iberia as a result of Germanic invasions. I plan on doing a full YDNA test to shed some light on the matter, nonetheless.

[Kyp]

I've done my research. In my case, my paternal Spanish side comes from Asturias which is in Northern Spain, a place with a long established history of Germanic and Viking raids. The Alans and other Scythian-like tribes joined Germanic tribes and invaded northern Spain, as well as the Scottish islands and parts of England. Also, many genetic sites such as MyTrueAncestry seem to point to the Pontic Steppe as the starting point of my haplogroup's migration and they link me with Germanic tribes such as the Gepids, a Gothic tribe who used to live in the area around the Black Sea where they came into contact with Scythians I suppose. R1a is extremely rare in Spain, more so in Latin America. It's a big coincidence Nelju shares his haplogroup with me. As far as I know, it's not that common amongst Jews either, a lot of them have ancestry from Eastern Europe so I'm guessing that's why?

All in all, I'm almost certain it got into Iberia as a result of Germanic invasions. I plan on doing a full YDNA test to shed some light on the matter, nonetheless.

Yes it's really a great coincedence there are so many z93 latin-speakers here in this forum. I think it's safe to say Gixajo is z93 too.

[Rocinante]

Not at all, there are British and Spaniards both on this forum and Anthrogenica who are R-Z93: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16491-R-Z93-in-100-British-autosomal, it doesn't have anything to do with Jews. R-Z93 didn't originate in the Levant nor is it common there. R-Z93 is a Northeastern European-Scythian haplogroup, that's the usual consensus and it moved westwards along with Viking/Germanic raids.

I see, 2 brittish with Z93, curious. I didn't meant that Z93 originated in the Levant, what i meant is that a lot of arabs and jews have it, i saw once a lebanese with R-Z93 and like i said, the president of Israel.


Highest frequency is in Kirgiz people, Pashtuns and some Pamiri groups. But it originated in Eastern Europe most likely, moved eastwards and only back migrated through Scythians, Huns and Tatars into Europe.

Yes I also have no answer for the arab/jewish mystery yet.

The most common clade among turkish peoples are Z93 right?

[Kyp]

The most common clade among turkish peoples are Z93 right?

No not at all. Only in Kyrgyz and in Tatars it is common. It's not that common in Turkey also not in Turkmens (surprisingly). According to studies it's very low but in Turkish DNA project with hundreds of people it was way higher than in the studies, so I don't know..

[Rocinante]

No not at all. Only in Kyrgyz and in Tatars it is common. It's not that common in Turkey also not in Turkmens (surprisingly). According to studies it's very low but in Turkish DNA project with hundreds of people it was way higher than in the studies, so I don't know..

Crazy clade it seems. All i know is that Z93 is way common in iranic and dravidian peoples, also it seems to be that some levantines and turks have this. Also seems to be very common in the russian caucasus area.

[Rocinante]

Seems to be that is an eurasian clade.

[Kyp]

Crazy clade it seems. All i know is that Z93 is way common in iranic and dravidian peoples, also it seems to be that some levantines and turks have this. Also seems to be very common in the russian caucasus area.

Yes but most Russians who have it are Tatars. Eastern Indo-European haplogroup still makes the most sense to me at this point.
Iranics and Indians have it. Tatars ,Eastern Europeans and Caucasus because of Scythians and Huns. Kyrgyz might be a founder-effect because of the region. Turks probably absorbed some of it too in Central Asia/Iran.

[Rocinante]

Yes but most Russians who have it are Tatars. Eastern Indo-European haplogroup still makes the most sense to me at this point.
Iranics and Indians have it. Tatars ,Eastern Europeans and Caucasus because of Scythians and Huns. Kyrgyz might be a founder-effect because of the region. Turks probably absorbed some of it too in Central Asia/Iran.

R1a is already indo-european, no one has to even doubt about it´s origins in the dnieper donets culture. The thing is that they were indeed Eatern Steppe Herders instead of Western Steppe Herders like every R1b1a2 and most of R1a. It´s a cool clade IMHO, not boring at all.

[grabielx]

I get R1b1a2a1a2b1a Z367/S255

I guess it's a relatively rare clade for Italy. Are there more websites like this but with more geographical info?

[Rius]

(most likely) R1b1a2a~2

R1b-PF7558 (R1b-PF7562, R1b-PF7563)