View Full Version : Genetic divisions of Europe mirror languages in 1100 AD
Peterski
06-28-2017, 04:36 PM
The genetic division of Europe based on my own results: :)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?211866-How-come-Central-Europeans-look-somewhat-closer-to-Northern-than-Southern-Europeans&p=4481235&viewfull=1#post4481235
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude2.htm
http://i.imgur.com/y9qh0t2.png
Compare with the map of European languages in 1100 AD:
Grover S. Krantz (Professor of Anthropology), "Geographical Development Of European Languages", American University Studies, Series XI, Anthropology and Sociology, Vol. 26:
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/KranzG1988GeogrDevelopmOfEurLanguages/KranzG1988GeogrDevelopmOfEurLanguagesCh6-8En.htm
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/KranzG1988GeogrDevelopmOfEurLanguages/KrantzGCh7Fig26.jpg
And the maximum extent of Slavic expansion (800s AD):
http://s16.postimg.org/6c858un85/Slavic_expansion.png
EL_BARBARO
06-28-2017, 04:39 PM
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Peterski
06-28-2017, 04:47 PM
The natural geographical western border of Eastern Europe is the "Baltic-Adriatic narrowing" ("zwężenie bałtycko-adriatyckie"): http://przeglad.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Leszek_Sykulski_tom_6.pdf
This is also roughly the Frankish-Slavic border in the Early Middle Ages:
http://i.imgur.com/Ul4dc78.png
Antimage
06-28-2017, 04:50 PM
Ha-ha Hungaria genetically eastern, Stears will have nightmares :-)
Magnolia
06-28-2017, 04:52 PM
Ha-ha Hungaria genetically eastern, Stears will have nightmares :-)
it is litvin's wet dream; you canť take him seriously
Antimage
06-28-2017, 04:52 PM
I don't like this kind of divisions(eg "genetically eastern") because a bulgarian will be closer to greek than to russian, a czech will be closer to german than to russian etc. I am talking about genetics. I think you can't really describe all ethnicities with 4 labels. All nations got their own genetics it's a continuum from north to south, from east to west with gradual difference to the neighbouring ethnicity. It's a spectrum not black and white as the map implies
Voskos
06-28-2017, 04:57 PM
never understood why basques with such a high amount of R1b failed to switch to an indoeuropean language. must have been a society dominated by women
Peterski
06-28-2017, 04:59 PM
Czechs are only close to East Germans, who are genetically Eastern European as well:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212315-Eastern-Germans-in-Eurogenes-K36
Several Eastern Germans:
http://i.imgur.com/4jyGt6s.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6DOFtw3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DHFyJvk.jpg
By comparison here is a North German from Hamburg, you can see different patterns:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212711-German-from-Hamburg-on-GEDmatch
This German has almost no Celtic influence (proven by his low similarity to Ireland):
http://i.imgur.com/2Oawbxh.png
Peterski
06-28-2017, 05:14 PM
The natural geographical western border of Eastern Europe is the "Baltic-Adriatic narrowing" ("zwężenie bałtycko-adriatyckie"): http://przeglad.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Leszek_Sykulski_tom_6.pdf
This is also roughly the Frankish-Slavic border in the Early Middle Ages:
http://i.imgur.com/Ul4dc78.png
Modern distribution of R1a haplogroup in Germany and Austria:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8461-Map-of-haplogroup-R1a-in-Germany-and-Austria&p=184322&viewfull=1#post184322
http://oi68.tinypic.com/6enpso.jpg
Magnolia
06-28-2017, 05:14 PM
Czechs are only close to East Germans, who are genetically Eastern European as well:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212315-Eastern-Germans-in-Eurogenes-K36
Several Eastern Germans:
http://i.imgur.com/4jyGt6s.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6DOFtw3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DHFyJvk.jpg
By comparison here is a North German from Hamburg, you can see different patterns:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212711-German-from-Hamburg-on-GEDmatch
This German has almost no Celtic influence (proven by his low similarity to Ireland):
http://i.imgur.com/2Oawbxh.png
how you can even dare to make proclamations about all nations based on your pseudo-genetic amateurism?
You are used to choosing 3/4/5 people (you have to like their results) and make conclusions about all nations.
This has no value.
Peterski
06-28-2017, 05:20 PM
how you can even dare to make proclamations about all nations
Because I'm the best. :coffee:
Magnolia
06-28-2017, 05:21 PM
Because I'm the best.
because you are clown.
Rethel
07-04-2017, 12:38 PM
And the maximum extent of Slavic expansion (800s AD):
http://s16.postimg.org/6c858un85/Slavic_expansion.png
Wrong.
Slavs were not yet in Moscow then.
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