Crazydaisy DNAtribes

[CrazyDaisy]

Can someone help me interpret this. Why did I get so much northwest Euro?
http://i.imgur.com/G00xITv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MPhA5A1.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/z4eFo2h.jpg

[CrazyDaisy]

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[CrazyDaisy]

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[CrazyDaisy]

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[CrazyDaisy]

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[Peterski]

Cool results! Higher MENA than in other tests could be expected, considering that Anakin also got a lot. Most of it must be very ancient similarity (as Numidia wrote):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213141-DNA-TRIBES-RESULTS&p=4467025&viewfull=1#post4467025

It is weird that you didn't get Iberian (22) in "Admixture Analysis: 53 Regional Clusters".

What are your "Iterative Population Admixture", "Population Admixture: Native and Jewish Populations" and "Total Ancestral Fit: European Populations" results?

Edit:

OK I didn't notice that you already posted these results.

[CrazyDaisy]

Cool results! Higher MENA than in other tests could be expected, considering that Anakin also got a lot. Most of it must be very ancient similarity (as Numidia wrote):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213141-DNA-TRIBES-RESULTS&p=4467025&viewfull=1#post4467025

It is weird that you didn't get Iberian (22) in "Admixture Analysis: 53 Regional Clusters".

What are your "Iterative Population Admixture", "Population Admixture: Native and Jewish Populations" and "Total Ancestral Fit: European Populations" results?

Edit:

OK I didn't notice that you already posted these results.
Could my high MENA score be hiding my Iberian score?

[Peterski]

Why did I get so much northwest Euro?

This is surprising. Maybe your Northern Spanish ancestry is very Celtic.


Could my high MENA score be hiding my Iberian score?

Yeah definitely it could.

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You also got Russian-like stuff. Perhaps you really have some ancestry from Russia? Not necessarily 100% ethnic Russian, it could be a mix of several ethnic groups from Russia.

[Peterski]

Maybe Northern Spain / Spain Galicia is like British + MENA.

And maybe they split your Spanish into these two categories.

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I wonder how far back in time exactly do they go:

http://dnatribes-snp.com/p/faq

"Q: How is DNA Tribes® SNP "deep ancestry" analysis different from genealogical searches to locate family relatives?

A: DNA Tribes® SNP analysis emphasizes "deep ancestry," meaning the ancient geographical relationships among world populations. The analysis includes a broader comparison of your genotype to world genetic structure that is not limited to a genealogical time frame or to finding individual relatives. For this reason, DNA Tribes® SNP results are based on fundamental relationships among populations (including ancient relationships beyond the scope of genealogy), rather than family relationships between individual people."

[Peterski]

I think it is cool that they identified your Basque ancestry, divided your Native into Andean and Mesoamerican (so you finally know how much of it is Andid), and that you got Germany among your most similar European populations. But some other things are weird, especially this lack of Iberian, and Northwest Euro being way higher than % of your German ancestry.

Maybe your Spanish really got split into British-like and MENA-like parts ???

It is possible that Galicians are a mixture of British-like and MENA-like genes. And most of your Spanish is probably Galician, as well as other Northern Spanish.

I also wonder what are Mordvins doing there. They are a Finnic group. I remember that you have some Finnish or North Slavic also in DNA Land and WeGene.

It also seems that they overestimated the amount of Jewish ancestry.

But they correctly identified Ecuador as the place where your recent ancestry is from.

Many things are spot-on in this analysis, but a few things seem weird.

[Peterski]

Apparently Scottish Gaelic Highlanders share a lot of DNA in common with some (Galician?) Iberians:

http://w11.zetaboards.com/CubaDNAWeb/topic/10314333/1/

http://dnatribes.com/digest_articles.php


(...) Also expressed throughout Northwest Europe are Spanish-Portuguese genetic components. These range from 4.3% (Sweden) to a local maximum of 16.3% (Argyll and Bute, near historically Gaelic parts of Scotland associated with the medieval kingdom of Dál Riata). Other populations with relatively high Spanish-Portuguese percentages include France (11.2%), Cornwall (10.3%), and England (9.3%). Notably, all of these areas are associated with early Celtic languages, possibly related to the Iron Age La Tène culture. (...)

[kingjohn]

yes and her mordvins in table 3
is connected to her 10.9% balto-slavic in table 2
nice results for her


p.s
if she score north atlantic and north sea in eurogenes k36
than the norwest european alleles are real
not sure it is high % as they gave her but it is there

[Peterski]

Yeah she has ~11.8% North Sea and ~8.2% North Atlantic in K36. So ~20% in total.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Im might try this to see where my native DNA clusters with which group of native.

[Erronkari]

Cool results! Northwest Europe probably is the same as "North Atlantic" in Eurogeneses K36, which is probably from Wales and Cornwall in UK.

[Peterski]

This is a very cool tool:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

For Latinos Function B is useful, because you can exclude your Amerindian ancestry from comparison, and then see which European populations are the most similar to you (but one important note: this tool doesn't show admixtures, just rates of similarity - in other words how similar are your K36 results to K36 results of various populations). CrazyDaisy's results when using Function B, and when excluding South_Amerind, indicate mostly Northern Iberian ancestry, with some South-West German and Italian or Jewish etc. admixtures (because we can see increased Northern and Eastern affinities):

CrazyDaisy's DNA is most similar to Galicians (and Galicians have a lot of Celtic ancestry):

http://i.imgur.com/0tVkUkk.png

I hope he will add Function C and enable excluding more than just one population!

[Erronkari]

This is a very cool tool:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

For Latinos Function B is useful, because you can exclude your Amerindian ancestry from comparison, and then they can see which European populations are the most similar to you (but one important note: this tool doesn't show admixtures, just rates of similarity - in other words how similar are your K36 results to K36 results of various populations). CrazyDaisy's results when using Function B, and when excluding South_Amerind, indicate mostly Northern Iberian ancestry, with some South-West German and Italian or Jewish etc. admixtures (because we can see increased Northern and Eastern affinities):

CrazyDaisy's DNA is most similar to Galicians (and Galicians have a lot of Celtic ancestry):

http://i.imgur.com/0tVkUkk.png

I hope they will add Function C and enable excluding more than just one population!

Indeed mine runs with the Amerindian (it's 3.61%, so it doesn't change too much). My cluster is in Aragón, northeastern Spain.

[Erronkari]

I think it is cool that they identified your Basque ancestry, divided your Native into Andean and Mesoamerican (so you finally know how much of it is Andid), and that you got Germany among your most similar European populations. But some other things are weird, especially this lack of Iberian, and Northwest Euro being way higher than % of your German ancestry.

Maybe your Spanish really got split into British-like and MENA-like parts ???

It is possible that Galicians are a mixture of British-like and MENA-like genes. And most of your Spanish is probably Galician, as well as other Northern Spanish.

I also wonder what are Mordvins doing there. They are a Finnic group. I remember that you have some Finnish or North Slavic also in DNA Land and WeGene.

It also seems that they overestimated the amount of Jewish ancestry.

But they correctly identified Ecuador as the place where your recent ancestry is from.
Many things are spot-on in this analysis, but a few things seem weird.


I do totally agree with this, Litvin.
May be some parts of this calculator/test are a little weird.
But in a way it's really awesome.
In my opinion it's excellent to detect our fit talking about native populations.
As you said regarding these populations, Daisy has her cluster in Ecuador (Rank 3), the land of some of her ancestors.
And in my case, my cluster is in Central Mexico (Rank 68). Although I am south-american, I think that most of my native american ancestors were from Mexico, because most calculators agree with this, and especially Gedmatch MDLP-22, which gives me more North and Mesoamerican than South American.
As I know my european (spanish/portuguese) ancestry is quite recent, so it's perfectly possible a previous mix mexican/iberian (in Mexico or even in Spain).

But I feel that in that way, this calculator seems really terrific!!!!

My DNA TRIBES Native American Populations

http://i.imgur.com/czInfNx.jpg


Gedmatch MDLP Native American %:

North-Amerind 2.45
Mesoamerican 1.09
South-America_Amerind 0.72
Arctic-Amerind 0.04

[kingjohn]

the only joke here is that she scored 0% iberian
there is probably overlapp between northwest iberian and northwest european snp markers :)

[Peterski]

the only joke here is that she scored 0% iberian

Yeah. Scoring 0% Iberian is probably why she got so angry.

I guess she secretely wanted to be partially Gracile Med, despite trolling Gracile Meds.

So 0% Iberian was the last straw that broke the camel's back.

[kingjohn]

Yeah. Scoring 0% Iberian is probably why she got so angry.

I guess she secretely wanted to be partially Gracile Med, despite trolling Gracile Meds.

So 0% Iberian was the last straw that broke the camel's back.


what do you say
i have an idea to give crazy daisy
a gift since you have her raw data
and upload it to kurd k29 calculator there are many references there also amerindian ones ?
only 5$ you know for the new year gift ;)

[Peterski]

since you have her raw data

I do not have her raw data. She sent them her raw data.

[Peterski]

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Have you tried sending your raw data to Dr Doug McDonald?