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KuakoVoice
06-29-2017, 07:38 PM
These are the faces of the forgotten peoples of West Melanesia,Melanesia literally means the Black Islands as so named by the European explorers who first "discovered" them.These are the descendants of the first people ever out of Africa and a relic of time who shall be cherished.The people from Flores,Timor,Maluku in East Indonesia along with the West Papuans are also of Melanesian or partial Melanesian ancestry just like their cousins to the east in Papua New Guinea,the Solomon Islands,and Fiji.Genetic testing proves this as well as my own.And the people of "West" Melanesia such as Maluku and West Papua deserve their civil rights to decide on their own who they are,discover their own hidden roots,preserve their own incredibly unique and rich heritage as also the gateway to Oceania and the lost chapter of the peopling of the South Pacifc,both Polynesia and Micronesia as well,and empower themselves to their own land,the richest in all of Southeast Asia.Mena Muria!

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Another history lesson and fact for the day:Eastern Indonesia (Maluku islands and West Papua) and East Timor is the most biologically diverse,linguistically diverse,minerally rich.and ethnically diverse part of Southeast Asia.It is also the absolute poorest and most isolated region in Southeast Asia.Why is this and why is this being covered by both the Indonesian government and media as well as perhaps the American media?The first reason is that the Indonesian government is incredibly corrupt and greedy and has a very long track record since its inception since 1950.This is NOT a judgement on the people of Indonesia,both East and West.Indonesians themselves are the sweetest and friendliest folks on this planet ;)..It is Because the people of both the Maluku islands and West Papua are the last indigineous people on this planet to be having their lands taken from them,their resources stolen,and their identity taken away from them against their own will to this day.They are both ethnically and historically distinct from the mainstream Southeast Asian Indonesian people as well as geographically very far away,with no real ties to the rest of Southeast Asia's historty of Hinduism and Buddhism,or the Islamic empires.Only Christianity and Islam from foreign missionaries exist in the islands as well as our traditional Animistic beliefs.There is a reason there is both the RMS and OPM movement,they are to free and give a voice to the poor and distraught people of Maluku and West Papua,the most impoverished and displaced people in all of Southeast Asia and one of perhaps arguably the world along with the South Sudanese,who are now free.And it is my burden as they are my people,as a born and bred free American with a god and country given freedom of speech to speak up for these poor and distraught people who have no voice of their own because of the corrupt censoring Indonesian government.I have heard the tales from the people themselves,and I will be their voice here in America.Mena Muria!

The Maluku islands and Timor is also known as Wallacea,named after the scientist Alfred Wallace.These islands are a biodiversity hotspot,one of the most diverse on this planet and the people and culture are more and more being proven genetically and historically to be the gateway to Oceania and the South Pacific.This map along with the genetic evidence shows that this criminally understudied and misunderstood region of the world is the source of the peopling of the Pacific.East Indonesia was the gateway to the Pacific.

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A website about the international human rights violations going on in Maluku,East Indonesia:
http://www.michr.net
From the RMS rebellion to the recent conflicts in Ambon the capitol in 2000 to the imprisonment to this day of Johan Teterissa for simply raising a flag and doing his own native dance in front of the Indonesian president since just 2007,this NEEDS to be aware of and it needs to stop.This is an attack on human civil rights.

N1019
06-29-2017, 07:53 PM
I really wish Australia et al would hurry up and push for independence in western New Guinea.

KuakoVoice
06-29-2017, 08:03 PM
I really Australia et al would hurry up and push for independence in western New Guinea.

Many other people in Indonesia want to be indepent too .The difference is Maluku and Papua have little to nothing in common with the rest of Indonesia culturally or ethnically no real ties to Asia nor Hinduism or Buddhism except minor exceptions such as Kei
They do not even eat rice in Maluku but Papeda and Sago,taro breadfruit just like the Pacific and their neighbors in West Papua.
To not let go of Maluku like Papua is also a racial genocide unlike Sulawesi and Borneo who have ties to Asia and to Java.
Further genetic testing is only putting the nail in the coffin,that Maluku has its ties to the Pacific
Genetically,culturally,religiously,linguistically, ethnically,phenotypically and spiritually.
A certain Moluccan has been tested to find his haplogroups are Melanesian on both sides,hence we are truely the last Indigineous people on EARTH to be having our lands taken from us,RIGHT NOW!

KuakoVoice
06-29-2017, 08:43 PM
This is Johan Teterissa.He is descended from the same island of Haruku as me.In 2007 he raised the RMS flag and did our native Cakalele dance in front of the Indonesia president to be thrown in prison still to this day.For what?And he still is there now and being tortured,even attempting suicide in 2015 as he could not even see his own daughter.Why is this not news?This is not human rights people.And still Widodo released the West Papuan political prisoners and yet the Moluccans including this man remain in prison!This needs to spread awareness.Free Johan Teterissa!

http://i66.tinypic.com/286r7zr.jpg

N1019
06-30-2017, 03:51 AM
Many other people in Indonesia want to be indepent too .The difference is Maluku and Papua have little to nothing in common with the rest of Indonesia culturally or ethnically no real ties to Asia nor Hinduism or Buddhism except minor exceptions such as Kei
They do not even eat rice in Maluku but Papeda and Sago,taro breadfruit just like the Pacific and their neighbors in West Papua.
To not let go of Maluku like Papua is also a racial genocide unlike Sulawesi and Borneo who have ties to Asia and to Java.
Further genetic testing is only putting the nail in the coffin,that Maluku has its ties to the Pacific
Genetically,culturally,religiously,linguistically, ethnically,phenotypically and spiritually.
A certain Moluccan has been tested to find his haplogroups are Melanesian on both sides,hence we are truely the last Indigineous people on EARTH to be having our lands taken from us,RIGHT NOW!

It's a real pity The Netherlands pulled out. It didn't have to happen. I guess it was like their version of British India, only worse, because the new Indonesian state expanded and became a mini empire of its own.

It would have been better if the British Empire had annexed western New Guinea from the Dutch and made it part of the Australian administered territories.

KuakoVoice
06-30-2017, 04:09 AM
It's a real pity The Netherlands pulled out. It didn't have to happen. I guess it was like their version of British India, only worse, because the new Indonesian state expanded and became a mini empire of its own.

It would have been better if the British Empire had annexed western New Guinea from the Dutch and made it part of the Australian administered territories.

Yes,and the RMS Moluccans who fought so hard for their Dutch masters and promised their own country were instead expatriated to Holland to become until recently a displaced community.They were used and lied to.And they still until recently were only given a museum dedicated to Maluku and their own communities in Holland,instead of having their relatives in Maluku given their promised sovereignty and human rights..

N1019
06-30-2017, 04:19 AM
Yes,and the RMS Moluccans who fought so hard for their Dutch masters and promised their own country were instead expatriated to Holland to become until recently a displaced community.They were used and lied to.And they still until recently were only given a museum dedicated to Maluku and their own communities in Holland,instead of having their relatives in Maluku given their promised sovereignty and human rights..

They need to find oil or gas there.

Sekarotuinen
06-30-2017, 07:46 AM
Yes, I have heard about the plight of the West Papuans ans the abuses perpetuated by Indonesia. All peoples deserve self-determination, and I hope some day they are freed.

KuakoVoice
06-30-2017, 11:10 PM
This is the wiki article on the Moluccans RMS,Republic of Maluku Selatan which was a short lived independent nation in Ambon and the South Moluccas before it was over ran by Indonesia, just like East Timor.So its not just West Papuans and East Timorese but also South Moluccans who also had similar struggles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_South_Maluku

revealman
07-01-2017, 02:54 AM
oh i feel so sorry for this animals. :coffee: they behave worse than animals..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-eOUprW9sI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz7pjL-u3Hs

KuakoVoice
07-01-2017, 04:03 PM
[QUOTE=revealman;4486253]oh i feel so sorry for this animals. :coffee: they behave worse than animals..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-eOUprW9sI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz7pjL-u3Hs[/QUOTE

Those are just videos and not at all a reflection of regular Melanesians.Meet some in the flesh before you make any judgements.Besides,do you not think they deserve their sovereignity too?Just like White Europeans as well,and you can say on the broad scale White Americans are even bigger animals with their death toll globally being much much greater in Vietnam,Afghanistan,the indirect involvement in the East Timor genocide,Syria,Iraq,and the list goes on.

revealman
07-01-2017, 06:39 PM
do europeans go around with machetes and rape, kill, chop of body parts of their neighbours and women? idiot...

an average european citizen has nothing to do with politics and greedy corporations who make wars for oil , gold and other resources out of greed..

europe is the safest place with most human right on the planet, melanesians are behaving like chimps. you cannot compare melanesians to europeans you primitive fool

there is no unity amongst melanesians, they still do tribal wars

wake up from your pipe dream.. your poeple are primitive as hell and violent criminals

in some tribes cannibalism is still practiced

KuakoVoice
07-02-2017, 12:39 PM
do europeans go around with machetes and rape, kill, chop of body parts of their neighbours and women? idiot...

an average european citizen has nothing to do with politics and greedy corporations who make wars for oil , gold and other resources out of greed..

europe is the safest place with most human right on the planet, melanesians are behaving like chimps. you cannot compare melanesians to europeans you primitive fool

there is no unity amongst melanesians, they still do tribal wars

wake up from your pipe dream.. your poeple are primitive as hell and violent criminals

in some tribes cannibalism is still practiced

Your uninformed and ignorant opinion means nothing at all to neither me nor UN laws,only these people's right to sovereignty. And I can just easily say most Melanesians have nothing to do with gangs or cannibalism or headhunting.And I could just as easily post videos of the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions,the Vietnam war,the American Indian genocide and blame it on your entire race too,but this "Melanesian savage" is better than that.:coffee:

KuakoVoice
07-02-2017, 12:41 PM
Oh and also,it was Melanesian and part Melanesian Moluccans from the Spice Islands who set off the global spice trade that Europeans were so desperate to find that they finally braved sailing the Atlantic Ocean to accidentally stumble on America.Some Moluccan kingdoms have been trading their spices for thousands of years based on spices found in the Mesopotamia region.

Wadaad
07-02-2017, 03:48 PM
Yes,and the RMS Moluccans who fought so hard for their Dutch masters and promised their own country were instead expatriated to Holland to become until recently a displaced community.They were used and lied to.And they still until recently were only given a museum dedicated to Maluku and their own communities in Holland,instead of having their relatives in Maluku given their promised sovereignty and human rights..

Sadly, Moluccans then and there learned the eternal lesson...collaborating and being used by Western colonialists, never ends well. In situations lie this, resistance, even when the result is a sure loss, is the only solution.

KuakoVoice
07-02-2017, 10:49 PM
Sadly, Moluccans then and there learned the eternal lesson...collaborating and being used by Western colonialists, never ends well. In situations lie this, resistance, even when the result is a sure loss, is the only solution.

Perhaps but in this day and age,the Javanese government of Indonesia treats the Moluccans even worse than the Dutch did,even taking the plentiful resources and displacing the natives with Javanese and other Western Indonesian transmigrants.The enormous sectarian conflict in 1999 was caused by government planted Javanese and other Islamic radicals to seperate the traditionally at peace Muslim and Christian natives and quell any voices of dissent.And all of this is strictly censored in Indonesian media,as well as the truths about West Papua and East Timor.

And in the highly classist and colorist societies of South Asia,dark skinned Melanesian Eastern Indonesians are at the bottom of the barrel economically and socially as well as East Timor being the poorest nation in the entire region..despite Wallacea being a mineral rich and biodiverse hotspot with plentiful resources..

Oh and the Moluccan diaspora in Holland has a long history of pro RMS activity including protests and even hijackings of an Indonesian embassy and a train:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3S0sk_XwW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QPHsAnDsu4

revealman
07-04-2017, 03:55 AM
Your uninformed and ignorant opinion means nothing at all to neither me nor UN laws,only these people's right to sovereignty. And I can just easily say most Melanesians have nothing to do with gangs or cannibalism or headhunting.And I could just as easily post videos of the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions,the Vietnam war,the American Indian genocide and blame it on your entire race too,but this "Melanesian savage" is better than that.:coffee:
i see for a self proclaimed melanesian you have very little knowledge about your folks..

warning the content my disturb you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN5_TDfh5Gs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlT5dsG2WMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKqU0NU13Tk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkuK0XkxRhg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaJGsPISCCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELN9MB2WU0

revealman
07-04-2017, 03:56 AM
european middle ages were a circus compared to papuan day to day life..

Iloko
07-04-2017, 04:22 AM
I've never met a Moluccan nor Melanesian ever IRL before lol.

KuakoVoice
07-07-2017, 08:24 PM
european middle ages were a circus compared to papuan day to day life..

That is in Papua New Guinea,not Maluku.Different area though still Melanesia.

And yes I am aware all parts of Melanesia from Wallacea (Maluku and Timor) to Fiji and New Guinea had tribal warfare and sorcery as well as black magic.HOWEVER,we are also the first people out of Africa and one of the most ancient people on Earth,as well as the Moluccans being founders of the spice trade that led to the discovery of the Americas.The world would not be the same without Melanesians ;)

Also,Melanesia is the most linguistically diverse region of the entire planet.

1R0N M4N XL
08-15-2018, 03:39 AM
Indonesians should not colonize the pacfic australoids.. they should just leave them to rule themselves..

after Asean develops, ASEAN should help them developed

KuakoVoice
08-15-2018, 03:42 AM
Indonesians should not colonize the pacfic australoids.. they should just leave them to rule themselves..

after Asean develops, ASEAN should help them developed

True,Indonesians should also let Moluccans and Timorese and other Nusa Tengarrans think for themselves as well.We should be able to join the MSG (Melanesian Spearhead Group) with our true fellow Oceanian brothers and not get flak from either Pacific Islanders or Southeast Asians like we unfortunately do now.And we also have the BAMM project,Moluccans in Holland have always been socially conscious but now Moluccans in Maluku themselves are even starting to wake up.

1R0N M4N XL
08-15-2018, 03:51 AM
True,Indonesians should also let Moluccans and Timorese and other Nusa Tengarrans think for themselves as well.We should be able to join the MSG (Melanesian Spearhead Group) with our true fellow Oceanian brothers and not get flak from either Pacific Islanders or Southeast Asians like we unfortunately do now.And we also have the BAMM project,Moluccans in Holland have always been socially conscious but now Moluccans in Maluku themselves are even starting to wake up.

as south east Asians … who were former European colonies for 300-400 years.. we should have learn not to colonize other countries.. ASean should take action on Indonesia.. you guys deserve a land you call your own..


i'm not sure what Indonesia is doing.. i dont think they will take all the land, only the portion?? am i right or wrong?

KuakoVoice
08-15-2018, 03:55 AM
as south east Asians … who were former European colonies for 300-400 years.. we should have learn not to colonize other countries.. ASean should take action on Indonesia.. you guys deserve a land you call your own..


i'm not sure what Indonesia is doing.. i dont think they will take all the land, only the portion?? am i right or wrong?

They refuse to even listen to Moluccans in Holland or West Papuans,look at East Timor.Check out the responses mostly from Indonesian nationalists on this reddit threads:

https://www.reddit.com/r/indonesia/comments/96h416/javanese_genociders/

https://www.reddit.com/r/indonesia/comments/96h0ov/why_should_eastern_indonesiawallacea_even_been/

KuakoVoice
09-04-2018, 02:01 PM
Indonesians should not colonize the pacfic australoids.. they should just leave them to rule themselves..

after Asean develops, ASEAN should help them developed

Well maybe it would help if ASEAN would accept East Timor and Papua New Guinea for one.But alas,they accept neither.And thats why East Timor,PNG,and Maluku/Tengarra are members of the Melanesian Spearhead Group,or MSG for short.

1R0N M4N XL
09-05-2018, 03:48 AM
They refuse to even listen to Moluccans in Holland or West Papuans,look at East Timor.Check out the responses mostly from Indonesian nationalists on this reddit threads:

https://www.reddit.com/r/indonesia/comments/96h416/javanese_genociders/

https://www.reddit.com/r/indonesia/comments/96h0ov/why_should_eastern_indonesiawallacea_even_been/

i'm not sure if they are nationalists.. ( correct if I am wrong)

they just seems to be arguing if Papuan should join ASEAN

this guy however is mongoloid Nazi supremacists.. you should try to kick his ass.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?255183-The-Rohingya

1R0N M4N XL
09-05-2018, 03:51 AM
Well maybe it would help if ASEAN would accept East Timor and Papua New Guinea for one.But alas,they accept neither.And thats why East Timor,PNG,and Maluku/Tengarra are members of the Melanesian Spearhead Group,or MSG for short.

the problem with ASEAN we are very different from each other

thai= buddhist
Vietnam=communist
malay=muslim
Indonesia= muslims
Philippines-=catholic..

if maybe okay for us filipinos to accept Papuan/Australians/samoans.. but its not okay for Vietnamese/myammar/lao... they dont like non-mongoloids..

Kamal900
09-05-2018, 01:42 PM
the problem with ASEAN we are very different from each other

thai= buddhist
Vietnam=communist
malay=muslim
Indonesia= muslims
Philippines-=catholic..

if maybe okay for us filipinos to accept Papuan/Australians/samoans.. but its not okay for Vietnamese/myammar/lao... they dont like non-mongoloids..

You Filipinos are so sweet in RL, lol.

KuakoVoice
09-05-2018, 09:04 PM
http://i67.tinypic.com/21m9iyv.jpg

KuakoVoice
09-05-2018, 09:07 PM
http://i67.tinypic.com/raxgkp.png

1R0N M4N XL
09-06-2018, 04:21 PM
You Filipinos are so sweet in RL, lol.

thanks!! we always show the LOVE BACK to anyone whos likes us :)

and YES... we like the ARABS too, even if were not muslim generally.. we will find a way to get along & respect one another.

Mingle
09-06-2018, 04:35 PM
What percentage of West Papuans would you say want independence from Indonesia? Is there a strong negative sentiment towards Austronesians migrating from the other islands (esp. Java)?

KuakoVoice
09-06-2018, 04:51 PM
What percentage of West Papuans would you say want independence from Indonesia? Is there a strong negative sentiment towards Austronesians migrating from the other islands (esp. Java)?

Many West Papuans do and yes there is negative sentiment to transmigrants in both Maluku and West Papua.Look up West Papuan land displacement and same in Maluku,or the Ambon civil riots in 1999.All of these incidents are connected,and because Indonesia refuses to let Moluccans and West Papuans have any sovereignity or even seperate Melanesian or native identity.

KuakoVoice
09-06-2018, 04:51 PM
There are displace Moluccans and West Papuans,just like East Timor.The thing is many Moluccans are on their way to being Indoized,and now West Papua is going that route too.I even saw on Quora what must have been a troll question,asking if Papua New Guinea should also "join" *ahem* Indonesia.

KuakoVoice
02-09-2020, 11:52 AM
Indonesians should not colonize the pacfic australoids.. they should just leave them to rule themselves..

after Asean develops, ASEAN should help them developed

Btw that makes me remember that ASEAN actually at first denied both East Timor and Papua New Guinea membership into ASEAN,but have as of now given them Observer Status.

1R0N M4N XL
02-10-2020, 11:53 PM
Btw that makes me remember that ASEAN actually at first denied both East Timor and Papua New Guinea membership into ASEAN,but have as of now given them Observer Status.

saneaha is back! she is looking for you.. LOL

KuakoVoice
02-11-2020, 03:09 PM
saneaha is back! she is looking for you.. LOL

On Amazians right?I tried looking for Eastbound and found that site instead.You should show her me and my moms Ancestry results.

KuakoVoice
02-11-2020, 03:09 PM
saneaha is back! she is looking for you.. LOL

On Amazians right?I tried looking for Eastbound and found that site instead.You should show her me and my moms Ancestry results.

1R0N M4N XL
02-11-2020, 08:05 PM
On Amazians right?I tried looking for Eastbound and found that site instead.You should show her me and my moms Ancestry results.

check your PVT msg. yes it's a brand new website. we will have a youtube channel soon after I do a few updates and add more features.

KuakoVoice
06-08-2020, 12:51 AM
https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/102683498_2671608889829455_3235254070638389275_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQlgTCmMgFoF_xDtn7MOQtfqppQyTs9MHL3cD0b7wIi 4uUOiecNTwf0aWL9BD3fYbxjwnz1ijloBFq_XLxGrD3Qg&_nc_ht=scontent.fric1-2.fna&_nc_tp=14&oh=40a19ca43d8ee00cebf2ffa7d5166dcc&oe=5F02CA0E

StonyArabia
06-22-2020, 12:01 AM
Hopefully they will get independence from Indonesia.

Kamal900
06-22-2020, 08:56 AM
Hopefully they will get independence from Indonesia.

Same.

KuakoVoice
07-09-2020, 04:06 AM
Hopefully they will get independence from Indonesia.

Republic of South Moluccas,A Forgotten Nation.They now live as a Government in Exile in both Holland and America

https://youtu.be/o3Fq1KVXdzc

Another video about both South Maluku and West Papua,you see the two Seperate flags for both "Nations"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcNA06DSbI&t=622s

https://youtu.be/0TH3kxLB1Do

Dont forget those colors,I know we havent over here in West Papua and Maluku..

KuakoVoice
07-09-2020, 04:16 AM
They need to find oil or gas there.

They already have,especially in West Papua.That as well as GOLD.Freeport Mine is owned by either Canada or America,and is the Dire of the locals.America also got its hands dirty in East Timor,which is even shown in the Australian film "Balibo".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VoXJZKz8uBE&t=2382s

KuakoVoice
07-16-2020, 04:23 AM
http://www.michr.net/p2-the-tragedy-of-maluku.html

From the article

"These intermarriages between Malay and Melanesian peoples in Eastern Indonesia have also resulted in Melanesian peoples adopting many Polynesian cultural traits, which have been transferred to the South Pacific. Austronesian languages, is one example, and maritime knowledge -- from canoe building(3), astronomy, navigation, to fishery -- is another. In fact, I believe that it was the adoption of many Polynesian skills that enabled the Melanesian peoples to migrate and settle down in far away archipelagos in the Pacific such as Tahiti.

Unfortunately, while the Melanesian peoples are the oldest, indigenous peoples in Nusantara (4), they are also the most culturally, politically, and economically the most oppressed peoples in this archipelago. This brings me to the focus of my presentation, which is the tragedy of Maluku."

KuakoVoice
07-16-2020, 05:55 AM
http://www.michr.net/p2-the-tragedy-of-maluku.html

From the article

"These intermarriages between Malay and Melanesian peoples in Eastern Indonesia have also resulted in Melanesian peoples adopting many Polynesian cultural traits, which have been transferred to the South Pacific. Austronesian languages, is one example, and maritime knowledge -- from canoe building(3), astronomy, navigation, to fishery -- is another. In fact, I believe that it was the adoption of many Polynesian skills that enabled the Melanesian peoples to migrate and settle down in far away archipelagos in the Pacific such as Tahiti.

Unfortunately, while the Melanesian peoples are the oldest, indigenous peoples in Nusantara (4), they are also the most culturally, politically, and economically the most oppressed peoples in this archipelago. This brings me to the focus of my presentation, which is the tragedy of Maluku."

More from that article

" There is a popular belief among the people of Java and Sumatra, that favours a lighter skin colour. Centuries of European domination, as well as the Indian Ramayana and Mahabharata epics from India, which have been indigenized by the Javanese, are probably the origin of this 'pro-light skin' favouritism, as well as its opposite pair, namely disfavour of dark skins.

In addition to this antipathy to darker skin colour, the Javanese also look down on peoples from the Outer Islands who live more closer to nature, such as the Dayak people of Kalimantan. The term 'ndayak ' in the popular Javanese language practically means 'barbarian'. So, combining these two beliefs, one would certainly not expect much appreciation to the highland or Asmat peoples of West Papua among the Javanese people. Popular jokes are also abundant in Java, about the hair body of the Papuan people (as well as of Caucasoids), or subtle or non-subtle references to apes, which are also darker skinned and hairy.

Religious and historical facts also contribute to the low esteem of many Javanese -- intellectuals included -- for the Melanesians of Maluku and West Papua. Many Ambonese (5) from Maluku were recruited into the Dutch colonial forces, and their role in assisting the Dutch to crush the independence movement in Java and Sumatra had resulted in the negative nickname, "Belanda hitam " or "Londo ireng ", which means, "Black Dutchmen" to those colonial soldiers (6). As in many other stereotypes, the Ambonese were not the only Indonesian ethnic group to join the Dutch colonial army, or KNIL (7). However, prejudice of many elder Indonesians, who had been traumatized by the raids of the indigenous KNIL soldiers during the independence war from 1945 to 1949, seems to last long.

This prejudice against the Ambonese is the strongest among Muslim Javanese and Sumatranese against Christian Ambonese, due to the stereotype that they all joined the Dutch colonial army, KNIL. Like all stereotypes, this is only a half-truth, since the first ethno-linguistic group to rebel and raise arms against the Dutch colonial forces were the Ambonese, under the leadership of Thomas Matulessy, also known by his title, Pattimura, and Christina Martha Tiahohu, who were both Christians.

The prejudice of mainstream Indonesians from Java and Sumatra against the Ambonese was reinforced by the fact that the first 'ethnic' rebellion against the newborn Indonesian Republic also occurred in Ambon, with the declaration of the South Moluccans Republic (Republik Maluku Selatan , or RMS) on April 25, 1950, soon after the Dutch recognition of Indonesia's sovereignty in December 1949. This declaration of Central Moluccan independence was mainly triggered by two factors. First, uncertainties about the demobilization of the former Moluccan soldiers of the colonial army (KNIL), and secondly, the fear of South Maluku -- formerly a district within the East Indonesia state of the short-lived federal structure, the United Indonesian Republic (Republik Indonesia Serikat = RIS)."

And lastly talking about the Religious discrimination towards Protestant Moluccans as well as referring to Protestant West Papuans

"This second factor was predominantly strong among the Christian-dominated Ambonese elite (civil servants, teachers, and church personnel), who rightfully feared that the Ambonese would become a powerless minority within a Java-centred and Muslim-dominated Indonesian state. However, to avoid being seen as an elite group, the RMS initiators sought the support of the village chiefs (raja), and obtained that support from Ibrahim Ohorella, the Raja of Tulehu, a Muslim village which was also the main source of sago on the island of Ambon. In fact, the entire preparations for the declaration took place in Tulehu, to escape from both Indonesian as well as the remaining Dutch security apparatus' eyes (for the history of the RMS, see Chavel, 1990).

The flames of hatred of the 'Christian Ambonese traitors' is currently being fanned by certain Muslim groups, who have popularised a conspiracy theory that the religious riots in Maluku were initiated by the Moluccan Protestant Church (GPM = Gereja Protestan Maluku), in colaboration with RMS militants from the Netherlands (8) and Megawati Sukarnoputri's Christian-Nationalist party, PDI-P (Partai Demokrasi Indonesia - Perjuangan)"

frankhammer
07-16-2020, 06:10 AM
Tahitians are Polynesians, not Melanesians. I see in several posts claims that are unsubstantiated.

PaleoEuropean
07-16-2020, 06:16 AM
Tahitians are Polynesians, not Melanesians. I see in several posts claims that are unsubstantiated.

They have some very gorgeous women. Can't thumbs up right now but I am in spirit.

KuakoVoice
07-16-2020, 06:52 AM
Tahitians are Polynesians, not Melanesians. I see in several posts claims that are unsubstantiated.

That is one small mistake for an article that mostly tells the very obscure truth about Eastern Indonesia like Moluccas and West Papua.

As someone who knows plenty of RMS and OPM and some Indonesian Politics,what the article says about the local reputation of both Melanesians and even the Tribal Austronesian "Mongoloid" groups is spot on.It even alludes to what I said on another thread about how the Maluku Civil Riots was Instigated by Islamic Outsiders.

Is there any other "unsubstantiated" claims other than Melanesians in Tahiti?

Homo Insapiens
10-17-2021, 02:33 PM
Indonesia is basically an artificial country. The reason it exists is basically because the Dutch gathered all those islands which were culturally distinct, and ruled them as a single entity. By the time the duct left the basket was still left, which ended up being ruled by what the Dutch established as the capital, Batavia, now Jakarta. Other large continental countries like India & China, Russia are also quite artificial, with enormous continental territories being ruled by a single ethnicity. The reason India exists is because the British, if not them then the Mughals, unified the country, otherwise it’d be numerous distinct countries.

Homo Insapiens
10-17-2021, 04:24 PM
Each island in Indonesia should be its own country.

Homo Insapiens
11-27-2021, 04:00 PM
Indeed. Same thing infamously happened to East Timor & other places. It’s not just the military that’s been accused of atrocities, separatists have been as well. Terrible no doubt. People often emphasise that when discussing separatism. Yet that wouldn’t be my main concern regarding if my main concern was separation, because Indonesia can basically just apologise & promise to never do that again, as well as to develop the region, right? I wonder how much pro separatists & rebel groups realise the reason Indonesia gets to occupy West Papua is because it’s legal under international law. Occupation isn’t like the old days when it was a matter of power, in modern times it’s a matter of legality. These rebel groups fighting government military are like tug of war games, they don’t really accomplish anything. It’s not like the old days when you could kick an occupying power with just force. I doubt existing rebel groups can really do that, but even if they did manage to kick Indonesia out, Indonesia would just come back with the support of the international community & law, right? Instead, I think it would be in the interests of pro separatists & rebel groups to focus on international law instead of just firepower. I’m not sure if Papuan, as well as southern Thai & Filipino, rebel groups are unified, they might not be. They may also be involved in criminal activity, like drug & weapon manufacturing & smuggling. They may be separatists when convenient, & criminals when it’s convenient to. Anyways, I think what pro separatists & rebel groups ought to do is unify, & to pick their smartest people, & send them to universities to become lawyers & politicians, so they can get knowledgeable, involved & influential in the politics of their concerns. I think they should raise armies of lawyers & politicians alongside armies of fighters. It may be expensive, yet they’re organisations, so they should be able to figure that out. Otherwise, armed combat alone isn’t going to accomplish much

Homo Insapiens
11-27-2021, 04:02 PM
How & where do these rebel groups receive & pay for their weapons, armour, tech, gear, & training?

For southern Thailand & Philippines, I’ve heard that they often receive at least their training from the Middle East, from groups like Al Qaeda. Maybe these Middle Eastern groups send representatives to Southeast Asia as well to assist training & combat.
This collaboration is probably a result of shared religious ideology.
Not sure about Papuans, most of whom should be Christian protestants or animists.

Of course, such groups will try to keep this information secret, so it may have to be guessed.