Women will never love you.

[Demiurge]

Women are incapable of loving you. No matter how much you think she loves you, she doesn't.

You think all you do for her will make her love you? Ha! Think again. If you died, she'd simply find another man to fulfil your function. 75% of divorces are initiated by the woman for a reason. She knows she can find another you.

A woman does not love a man. A woman loves to be loved.

And what does to be loved mean for a woman? It means to be swept off of her feet by a man superior to her. This is just nature at work. The female always looks for the most superior male to mate with. In today's society, this means the man with the most wealth and influence. The dominant man with the ability to take her and her kids up the socioeconomic ladder.

This is precisely why she will never be able to love you. She loves what you represent, she doesn't love you. The same way a child can never love their parent more than the parent loves their child. Why? Because the parent has sacrificed for the child. The parent gives, whilst the child takes. You, the man, invest a great deal in building a relationship with a woman, so you have a reason to feel emotionally involved. You must invest the money, time, and emotion to win her over. Whereas at the absolute most a woman has to invest in a bit of make-up and a decent dress.

A woman expects (because she's offered it everyday) a great deal. She expects to be taken out, shown a good time, bought pointless gifts, and of course expects you to cry and apologise every time she is in the wrong. Most of all, she expects to be able to tell her family & friends, "Oh my husband is so rich and powerful". When do you hear of a man bragging about the economic stature of his wife? It's never the case precisely because of this dynamic.

There is however a catch. With every display of affection, she loses more respect for you. A guy who expresses his endless love for a woman will find that the woman now views him as something she "owns", and thus the excitement is lost and you are no longer in the position of power. Which is precisely the time she will go out and look for a new, exciting man.

To conclude, this situation brought on by feminism ruining the social dynamic ends up making both genders unhappy. Rich women find it impossible to find a mate, and end up living a pointless live of wage-labouring in futile corporate positions, whereas the lower-tier men find it impossible to meet the standards of modern women, who expect everything and give nothing.

I suspect what whenever sex-robots become a thing, none of us will be in relationships anymore.

[Lessenech]

Sex robots are already here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/3559664/meet-harmony-the-sex-robot-so-realistic-she-orgasmsand-shell-even-remember-your-birthday


Feminists are already whinging about it:

http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/04/27/sex-robots-epitomize-patriarchy-offer-men-solution-threat-female-independence/

[Demiurge]

Sex robots are already here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/3559664/meet-harmony-the-sex-robot-so-realistic-she-orgasmsand-shell-even-remember-your-birthday


Feminists are already whinging about it:

http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/04/27/sex-robots-epitomize-patriarchy-offer-men-solution-threat-female-independence/

This makes sense if you think about it. When men can have sex without having to meet the excessive demands of the modern woman, men will be truly liberated from the burden of spending the majority of their energy and income on impressing women who will never truly be impressed by them anyway. Women know their function in society will be threatened and they'll actually have to be half pleasant to entice men to give them any attention at all.

[Carlito's Way]

you just have a small dick nigga, we big dick niggas dont have that problem, we have women on the palm of our hands, if we cheat on them, they cant leave us cause our dick that good and we make they pussy explode

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/HW8AAOSw~oFXF4Pb/s-l300.jpg

http://idreamzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wpid-dickmatized.png

[Lessenech]

you just have a small dick nigga, we big dick niggas dont have that problem, we have women on the palm of our hands, if we cheat on them, they cant leave us cause our dick that good and we make they pussy explode


To be fair though, Seal is supposedly quite hung but Heidi Klum ended up cheating on him with her white bodyguard anyway. Think that even if you were to dick them up to their stomach that's no guarantee of fidelity.

[Peterski]

I suspect what whenever sex-robots become a thing, none of us will be in relationships anymore.

Yes Westerners will die out because epigenetic changes went too far and left you incapable of survival:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?210060-Gene%96culture-coevolution&p=4402610&viewfull=1#post4402610


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8rsb7qILgE


none of us will be in relationships anymore.

Mice also became incapable of loving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM#t=3m33s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

[TenaciousTopologist]

what is with all this redpilled shit on here recently?

[Carlito's Way]

To be fair though, Seal is supposedly quite hung but Heidi Klum ended up cheating on him with her white bodyguard anyway. Think that even if you were to dick them up to their stomach that's no guarantee of fidelity.

what proof is there that he was hung?

[al-Bosni]

You can be kind to one of them for a lifetime, and if you make a mistake and she sees one bad thing from you, she will say " I have never seen any good from you". What is the solution? It is to continue to be kind to them. Because they are created from crooked rib, if you try to straighten it, it will break, and if you leave it alone, it will remain crooked. So be kind to women.

[Lessenech]

what proof is there that he was hung?

http://jezebel.com/316486/heidi-klum-tells-oprah-about-seals-giant-black-cock

[Al-Meksiki]

Sure, keep telling yourself that this is why women dont like you

[Demiurge]

You can be kind to one of them for a lifetime, and if you make a mistake and she sees one bad thing from you, she will say " I have never seen any good from you". What is the solution? It is to continue to be kind to them. Because they are created from crooked rib, if you try to straighten it, it will break, and if you leave it alone, it will remain crooked. So be kind to women.

This might work in an orthodox religious framework (say Christianity or Islam), but in the modern world it doesn't. Instead of saying "I have never seen any good from you", she'll either pull out Tinder and find the next Chad Thundercock, or in a more extreme case of marriage, you'll find yourself losing your kids, house, and half your money.

The solution is for more men not to buy the modern agenda of reducing sex into a commercial product. You should be able to exist independently of women. Only at that point will you be strong enough to handle a woman if you so desire to.

[Wadaad]

Someone never had a woman walk in the rain to Shoppers Drug Mart to get him an Advil because he was extremely sick...

Someone never had a woman cook chicken soup to make him feel better

Someone never had a woman vouch for his character infront of a Judge

Someone never had a woman

[Demiurge]

Someone never had a woman walk in the rain to Shoppers Drug Mart to get him an Advil because he was extremely sick...

Someone never had a woman cook chicken soup to make him feel better

Someone never had a woman vouch for his character infront of a Judge

Someone never had a woman

Of course women are capable of doing things to help if they think it will benefit them in the long run. The same way we choose (usually) stop at red-lights even when short on time. It's for the individual greater good.

[Carlito's Way]

http://jezebel.com/316486/heidi-klum-tells-oprah-about-seals-giant-black-cock

but she didnt cheat on him, they werent even together anymore
plus im sure he still boned her when he went over to see the kids

[Wadaad]

btw Seal = vagina in Somali

[al-Bosni]

Someone never had a woman walk in the rain to Shoppers Drug Mart to get him an Advil because he was extremely sick...

Someone never had a woman cook chicken soup to make him feel better

Someone never had a woman vouch for his character infront of a Judge

Someone never had a woman
It's hard to say women can't love because they are known as emotional creatures. I sometimes feel sexist for generalizing men as emotionless and lifeless zombies.

[Demiurge]

It's hard to say women can't love because they are known as emotional creatures. I sometimes feel sexist for generalizing men as emotionless and lifeless zombies.

Emotion isn't stable. If you say someone is 'emotional', does that mean they are reliable to pass good judgement? No. It means that they are more susceptible to error because they cannot see past their present emotional state.

[Lessenech]

It's hard to say women can't love because they are known as emotional creatures. I sometimes feel sexist for generalizing men as emotionless and lifeless zombies.

Women love their children. Regarding erotic love, romance is however a very much male creation. Primarily in the case of Western people it dates back to medieval knights.

Here, let's just use wiki to make it short:


The conception of romantic love was popularized in Western culture by the concept of courtly love. Chevaliers, or knights in the Middle Ages, engaged in what were usually non-physical and non-marital relationships with women of nobility whom they served. These relations were highly elaborate and ritualized in a complexity that was steeped in a framework of tradition, which stemmed from theories of etiquette derived out of chivalry as a moral code of conduct.

Courtly love and the notion of domnei were often the subjects of troubadours, and could be typically found in artistic endeavors such as lyrical narratives and poetic prose of the time. Since marriage was commonly nothing more than a formal arrangement,[6] courtly love sometimes permitted expressions of emotional closeness that may have been lacking from the union between husband and wife.[7] In terms of courtly love, "lovers" did not necessarily refer to those engaging in sexual acts, but rather, to the act of caring and to emotional intimacy.

The bond between a knight and his Lady, or the woman of typically high stature of whom he served, may have escalated psychologically but seldom ever physically.[8] For knighthood during the Middle Ages, the intrinsic importance of a code of conduct was in large part as a value system of rules codified as a guide to aid a knight in his capacity as champion of the downtrodden, but especially in his service to the Lord.

Ancients didn't 'love' women. They were attracted to them and had uses for them, they didn't find them anyhow angelical.

[Peterski]

Demiurge why do you think that Western men are any better than your women?:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4GQV2HkGmY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1GH0QaFSro

[Demiurge]

Demiurge why do you think that Western men are any better than your women?:

You're right. Every influential proto-feminist was male to begin with. And I very explicitly disagree with MGTOW in practice. I'm not stating, "Women are evil", or "Men are great". I'm stating the reality of the way the man-woman relationship works. The issue is that too many young men are raised without a dominant male role model who teaches them how to appropriately handle women. So they instead learn from their mothers, teachers (who are all female), and TV programs who obviously endorse the vision of the world in which a woman is perfect, and a man should do everything to earn her time. This in the long-run ends up very destructive.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

People who obsess over how women are evil or whatever don't value themselves. It's very simple. If the woman is a bitch, then don't get involved. If she's cool, then roll with it. Lets not act as if people suddenly change. All the signs that a person may eventually become a problem is always there but men ignore the signs cuz we have dicks and women ignore the signs cuz they get too emotionally attached.

[Sekarotuinen]

So women dont invest anything in relationshios huh? That's a really idiotic thing to think.

[Lessenech]

So women dont invest anything in relationshios huh? That's a really idiotic thing to think.

Strawman, what he said, and I can largely agree with, is that women don't love men as much as the latter do the former in return. Not that women don't invest time/energy/virginity/money/what have you.

Women love being loved if you get what I mean. The process of the man going out of his way to make them have fun or feeling like they're able to contribute to an already succesful person. A simple exercise to confirm that is how once they're already together, the guy is fine with just keeping the routine they have going and so long as the girl lets him be, he's not going to whinge about it. On the contrary, when appearing dull, socially unsuccesful or just losing his drive, the woman will stop feeling attracted to him.

It's very contextual though, I suppose that cultures were romance and sexual tickles isn't as praised as it is in the post-modern West might actually have longer lasting unions, but the way it works here today, tends to make it sure couples don't last. Probably because romantic marriage is a mirage really.

[Sekarotuinen]

Strawman, what he said, and I can largely agree with, is that women don't love men as much as the latter do the former in return. Not that women don't invest time/energy/virginity/money/what have you.

Women love being loved if you get what I mean. The process of the man going out of his way to make them have fun or feeling like they're able to contribute to an already succesful person. A simple exercise to confirm that is how once they're already together, the guy is fine with just keeping the routine they have going and so long as the girl lets him be, he's not going to whinge about it. On the contrary, when appearing dull, socially unsuccesful or just losing his drive, the woman will stop feeling attracted to him.

It's very contextual though, I suppose that cultures were romance and sexual tickles isn't as praised as it is in the post-modern West might actually have longer lasting unions, but the way it works here today, tends to make it sure couples don't last. Probably because romantic marriage is a mirage really.

I think both men and women appreciate feeling loved by the other partner, it is a two way street. Both should out in effort.

Yes, marriages dont last today, because of both parties. Men are more likely to cheat by a wide margin.

[Norse]

One thing is for sure, to go without love or just romantic interest from a woman is soul crushing.

Makes you bitter eh opie?

Women suddenly become a lot more virtuous when you have one interested in you.

The real problem is corruption of women. A woman gone bad is an ugly thing. Worse than men, since bad men usually know they're bad.

[Dandelion]

Demiurge why do you think that Western men are any better than your women?:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4GQV2HkGmY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1GH0QaFSro

A guy from my culture who was the proto-MGTOW. This is from back in the '90s and pre-internet.
Rob Muntz offered free porn cassettes to everyone who wrote him, but little did they know that it was a trap and that he was to bring the cassette to them personally together followed by a camera team just to be broadcasted later. This loser from Ghent (Belgium), Henry, was the only one who was that dumb/clueless he even invited him in. The other (Dutch) victims earlier in the video all avoided the cameras.

https://youtu.be/xCpRW0II8Dw?t=2m40s

"Do you like porn, yourself?"
- "I sometimes go to visit the whores. Yes, I live alone..." (he's talking incoherently because he's nervous)
"And then you do that." (Rob Muntz tried to keep the conversation going and did his best to respond to his jumpy incoherence)
"You don't have a GF?"
- "Nonono. I don't want one."
"You don't want one?"
- "The most important to me is that I do what I want. It's the most important to me."
"And paying the whores a visit is your solution that you are fully independent and free, and then a nice porno tape from the VPRO (the TV channel)."
(nervously hoping he'll be left alone) - "Yes."

(The YT comments talk more about the old lady - Henry's neighbour accross - who's speaking in the strongest variant of the Ghentish dialect possible that's almost unintelligible to most Dutch speakers, which is funny in itself).

I always think about people like Henry whenever I see that acronym. In fact, did the very instant I learned about its existence. I cringe whenever I see a MGTOW comment on a right wing YT video and it getting many thumbs up to boot. I always wonder why and how a man can fall that low.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Strawman, what he said, and I can largely agree with, is that women don't love men as much as the latter do the former in return. Not that women don't invest time/energy/virginity/money/what have you.

Women love being loved if you get what I mean. The process of the man going out of his way to make them have fun or feeling like they're able to contribute to an already succesful person. A simple exercise to confirm that is how once they're already together, the guy is fine with just keeping the routine they have going and so long as the girl lets him be, he's not going to whinge about it. On the contrary, when appearing dull, socially unsuccesful or just losing his drive, the woman will stop feeling attracted to him.

It's very contextual though, I suppose that cultures were romance and sexual tickles isn't as praised as it is in the post-modern West might actually have longer lasting unions, but the way it works here today, tends to make it sure couples don't last. Probably because romantic marriage is a mirage really.

I have to disagree. Women form a stronger emotional attachment to men. A man forms an emotional attachment to women but not at the same intensity. Our attachment is based heavily on the physical, while their attachment is based on who we are as a person, which creates a more intense involvement. I'm speaking generally, of course.

I like it this way. You don't have to shave and can even go days without showering. By the time disgust nullifies the emotional attachment you already had sex with her a bunch of times and so who cares, am I right? Hi fives all around. I am awesome.

[Vyasa]

I have to disagree. Women form a stronger emotional attachment to men. A man forms an emotional attachment to women but not at the same intensity. Our attachment is based heavily on the physical, while their attachment is based on who we are as a person, which creates a more intense involvement. I'm speaking generally, of course.

I like it this way. You don't have to shave and can even go days without showering. By the time disgust nullifies the emotional attachment you already had sex with her a bunch of times and so who cares, am I right? Hi fives all around. I am awesome.

hiw old are u? you look 38

[Lessenech]

I think both men and women appreciate feeling loved by the other partner, it is a two way street. Both should out in effort.

Yes, marriages dont last today, because of both parties. Men are more likely to cheat by a wide margin.

Yet there is inequality in both things. Men are generally the ones who have to shoulder the effort of wooing a woman, the woman just has to fancy him. Since how much we care about something correlates with how hard it was to get, the man will be more attached to sustaining that bond.

Cheating is false equivalence. Men cheat often without having any intention of leaving their wife whom they still love and are attracted to(polyamorous nature), sometimes even with women who they perceive are uglier. Women cheat when they find another man to outdo their husbands (favouring the single best), and while they may still be fond of their husband, they're no longer sexually attracted to him.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

hiw old are u? you look 38

I'll be 38 in August and no you're not invited to the annual Grimes pool party birthday bash and so don't ask.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QftcWXObrOc

Sucks for you.

[Lessenech]

I have to disagree. Women form a stronger emotional attachment to men. A man forms an emotional attachment to women but not at the same intensity. Our attachment is based heavily on the physical, while their attachment is based on who we are as a person, which creates a more intense involvement. I'm speaking generally, of course.

I like it this way. You don't have to shave and can even go days without showering. By the time disgust nullifies the emotional attachment you already had sex with her a bunch of times and so who cares, am I right? Hi fives all around. I am awesome.

I can agree with this so long as it's a short term fling. Yes
If the guy went in to get someone that serves for now, then yeah, the attachment is minimal, lower to any woman's.

The cases I mean though, are those where the guy married her really hoping for it to last till death to them part after spending a fair bit of time, energy and money trying to win her over, since she was a hard girl, a 'keeper' type.

[Dandelion]

I'll be 38 in August and no you're not invited to the annual Grimes pool party birthday bash and so don't ask.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QftcWXObrOc

Sucks for you.

The biggest burn one can give is not inviting him to his birthday party. That's a constant that never changes. ;)

[War Chef]

boo-hoo :cry2

[Lessenech]

One thing is for sure, to go without love or just romantic interest from a woman is soul crushing.

Nah, maybe at first but after a while you get over your heartbreak and can live fine alone. It comes naturally to me now.



The real problem is corruption of women. A woman gone bad is an ugly thing. Worse than men, since bad men usually know they're bad.

I think the Ancients had a better view of marriage and women. In fact, when you think about it medieval courtly love, wasn't so much a mutual relation as much as it was a display of individual devotion from the part of the man to the idea, not the actual, woman.
Dante's work with Beatrice is archetypical to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Portinari

The problem seems to have appeared when men started to genuinely think that the flesh and bone women were the same as the icon of devotion that existed in their minds, and started treating them as such.

[Sekarotuinen]

Yet there is inequality in both things. Men are generally the ones who have to shoulder the effort of wooing a woman, the woman just has to fancy him. Since how much we care about something correlates with how hard it was to get, the man will be more attached to sustaining that bond.

Cheating is false equivalence. Men cheat often without having any intention of leaving their wife whom they still love and are attracted to(polyamorous nature), sometimes even with women who they perceive are uglier. Women cheat when they find another man to outdo their husbands (favouring the single best), and while they may still be fond of their husband, they're no longer sexually attracted to him.
>It's ok when men do it
Take some responsibility dude.

[Peterski]

what he said, and I can largely agree with, is that women don't love men as much as the latter do the former in return.

I'd like to agree based on how strong my love can be, but it would be biased because I don't know what's in a woman's mind and neither do you.

[Lessenech]

>It's ok when men do it
Take some responsibility dude.

Fine then, let's change the angle. What do you think the reason is for polygyny being acceptable in Islam, yet polyandry isn't?

[Sekarotuinen]

Fine then, let's change the angle. What do you think the reason is for polygyny being acceptable in Islam, yet polyandry isn't?
Men are naturally supposed to provide for women if they cannot. Polygamy was a social good in early Arabia following Islam reinventing it.

[Dandelion]

Men are naturally supposed to provide for women if they cannot. Polygamy was a social good in early Arabia following Islam reinventing it.

The true reason is that four wombs can make a population grow faster, but religion doesn't say it outright. Muhammad was first of all a politician.

[Ylla]

I have to disagree. Women form a stronger emotional attachment to men. A man forms an emotional attachment to women but not at the same intensity. Our attachment is based heavily on the physical, while their attachment is based on who we are as a person, which creates a more intense involvement. I'm speaking generally, of course.

I like it this way. You don't have to shave and can even go days without showering. By the time disgust nullifies the emotional attachment you already had sex with her a bunch of times and so who cares, am I right? Hi fives all around. I am awesome.
Unfortunately our attachment is formed not because of who you really are but our warped idea of who you are in our head.

[Demiurge]

One thing is for sure, to go without love or just romantic interest from a woman is soul crushing.

Makes you bitter eh opie?

Women suddenly become a lot more virtuous when you have one interested in you.

The real problem is corruption of women. A woman gone bad is an ugly thing. Worse than men, since bad men usually know they're bad.

It's interesting that a man making an observation on the man-woman relationship "is a loser who can't get a girlfriend", but a woman commenting is "empowered and standing up to the patriarchy". If anything, it reinforces my point.

[Demiurge]

Women form a stronger emotional attachment to men.

Then why are 75% of divorces initiated by the woman?

[catgeorge]

Women love - they love hard. Have you ever seen a woman with a broken heart.? It's devastating -
I recall when I broke up with a very nice girl at university.. I made a promise to myself never to put anyone through that again but at 20 years old young males not fully developed we are allowed to be young , dumb and full of....no excuses after 23 years old though.

[Sekarotuinen]

Then why are 75% of divorces initiated by the woman?
Because men are way more likely to cheat.

[Óttar]

Women take us for granted and don't appreciate us.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/51/c0/f3/51c0f30183c354a6d8e7cc4ea9b56712.jpg

[Faklon]

Unfortunately our attachment is formed not because of who you really are but our warped idea of who you are in our head.

Your attachment in also based on your own self-advertising more than a man would care(generally speaking), that's why you see women going for over-social/popular men more than the other way around. Somewhat like a more innocent form of a gold-digger.


Lol@Grimes and his "bitches love me when I use them only for sex" gimmick, this is a guy who would kill for a 2-minutes internet romance.

[Demiurge]

Women love - they love hard. Have you ever seen a woman with a broken heart.? It's devastating -
I recall when I broke up with a very nice girl at university.. I made a promise to myself never to put anyone through that again but at 20 years old young males not fully developed we are allowed to be young , dumb and full of....no excuses after 23 years old though.

And men don't suffer broken hearts. :thumb001:


Because men are way more likely to cheat.

Adultery is not the most common reason for divorce. Invalid point. You have no statistical evidence to back-up that men cheat more either. It's far more likely that the reason women divorce far more is that they get everything from the divorce. A divorce is a win-win situation for a woman and a lose-lose situation for a man.

[Sekarotuinen]

And men don't suffer broken hearts. :thumb001:



Adultery is not the most common reason for divorce. Invalid point. You have no statistical evidence to back-up that men cheat more either. It's far more likely that the reason women divorce far more is that they get everything from the divorce. A divorce is a win-win situation for a woman and a lose-lose situation for a man.
https://www.trustify.info/blog/infidelity-statistics-2017

It's actually a well documented thing that men cheat more than women. When someone argues that there are sinilar levels of infidelity, it is atypical.

[Lessenech]

https://www.trustify.info/blog/infidelity-statistics-2017

It's actually a well documented thing that men cheat more than women. When someone argues that there are sinilar levels of infidelity, it is atypical.

Sure about that?
http://nymag.com/betamale/2016/05/women-are-now-cheating-as-much-as-men-but-with-fewer-consequences.html

[catgeorge]

And men don't suffer broken hearts. :thumb001:



I remember just two weeks ago I had to take my brother in law out for drinks and laughs because he broke up with his fiance - he was a mess.

I think it works both ways but to say women don't "love" is not factually correct.

[Sekarotuinen]

Sure about that?
http://nymag.com/betamale/2016/05/women-are-now-cheating-as-much-as-men-but-with-fewer-consequences.html
Yes

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-men-cheat-more-than-women-2013-9

Again, studies finding the opposite are in the minority. Women are more likely to stay true than men. This is observed in othrr animals as well. A higher number of males cheat in socially but not fully monogamous species than females nearly universally.

[Lessenech]

Yes

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-men-cheat-more-than-women-2013-9

Again, studies finding the opposite are in the minority. Women are more likely to stay true than men. This is observed in othrr animals as well. A higher number of males cheat in socially but not fully monogamous species than females nearly universally.

Probably because men can be attracted to several females at the same time. Women cheat when they perceive another male as more attractive than their husband.

[Sekarotuinen]

Probably because men can be attracted to several females at the same time. Women cheat when they perceive another male as more attractive than their husband.
So men are incapable of finding a woman more attractive than their wife, and women are incapabale of being attracted to multiple men. And those things arent mutually exclusive either. Fact is thst cheating is a complex issue and trying to put it in a neat box like you are doing doesnt work. Men do however cheat more than women.

[Lessenech]

So men are incapable of finding a woman more attractive than their wife, and women are incapabale of being attracted to multiple men. And those things arent mutually exclusive either. Fact is thst cheating is a complex issue and trying to put it in a neat box like you are doing doesnt work. Men do however cheat more than women.

Men can cheat with women either prettier or uglier than the regular yeah, it doesn't matter too much. One extra vagina is one extra.

I'm sure that some women can be into several men, but generally the gist of the female cheating story is "my husband is a good man, and a good dad but I'm just not attracted to him, instead this devilishly good looking guy was flirting on me, and I did it. I didn't mean to hurt him, but it's hard to resist". You know this.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Unfortunately our attachment is formed not because of who you really are but our warped idea of who you are in our head.

This can happen to a guy as well. I think generalizations in these issues are not that helpful.

[Wadaad]

Men are naturally supposed to provide for women if they cannot. Polygamy was a social good in early Arabia following Islam reinventing it.

Polygamy is natural.

Women would rather share an alpha male than be with a Loyal beta...that includes women from non-Polygamous societies. Western society is infinitely more polygamous than anything the Sharia regulates. 80% of western women are sleeping with 20% of the Western men.

[Ylla]

This can happen to a guy as well. I think generalizations in these issues are not that helpful.

We can romanticize even the average/not good looking guy in our mind. That's why you see lots of attractive women with average guys. There's so many threads about this - people thinking 'how did he get her'? For guys, attraction is straight forward on average. Women have more weird/varying taste :P

[SardiniaAtlantis]

We can romanticize even the average/not good looking guy in our mind. That's why you see lots of attractive women with average guys. There's so many threads about this - people thinking 'how did he get her'? For guys, attraction is straight forward on average. Women have more weird/varying taste :P

lol I don't notice those threads, tbh I don't read these threads usually it's actually more an indication of how anti-social a lot of members here are and it makes me sad in humanity. So I avoid those threads for the most part, I actually just came to this one so I could rep message you about Lupin III lol! :}

[Ylla]

lol I don't notice those threads, tbh I don't read these threads usually it's actually more an indication of how anti-social a lot of members here are and it makes me sad in humanity. So I avoid those threads for the most part, I actually just came to this one so I could rep message you about Lupin III lol! :}

Truth!

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Truth!

Girl you know I always tell the truth, even if it is inconvenient or hard to hear! Now check your rep message mucchina! The more I stay in this thread the sadder I become! ;)

[Peterski]

For guys, attraction is straight forward on average.

What do you mean?

[Demiurge]

Polygamy is natural.

Women would rather share an alpha male than be with a Loyal beta...that includes women from non-Polygamous societies. Western society is infinitely more polygamous than anything the Sharia regulates. 80% of western women are sleeping with 20% of the Western men.

This is indeed rather true. I read a report in the UK which stated that young men have an average of 4 sexual partners, whereas young women have an average of 12. The breakdown of a traditional Christian framework, which ensured that A) Alpha men had to stick by the women they sleep with, and B) that women didn't simply use beta men for profit, has led to a situation in which the average western woman's vagina is nothing more than a public garage.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Then why are 75% of divorces initiated by the woman?

Women need you to give them attention. They need you to spend time with them. They're not like us. They get upset if you're not giving them your time. If you spend a lot of time at work or you have hobbies that keeps you away from her (not just physically but mentally also) they get upset and resentful. The resentment builds over time. I know this very well and I'm sure most guys here will agree when they think about their experiences.

The fault goes both ways. If it comes to work, they have to understand you're trying to make something of yourself. But with anything else it would be understandable unless they're crazy clingy.

I'm speaking generally of course.

[War Chef]

Well they love me. Believe me, lots.
I just don't reciprocate well.....

Women are just as desperate and lonely as men. They'll pick some fugly boyfriend last minute just so they don't have to sleep alone another night & expereince nightmares.

What a man wants is pretty much the same thing a woman wants, companionship... that's why I think it's funny every time I hear girls be like "men are pigs & only want sex". No bitch, I want someone who I can take down the grain aisle of Target & help me pick a good type of pasta & shit like that.

[Sekarotuinen]

Polygamy is natural.

Women would rather share an alpha male than be with a Loyal beta...that includes women from non-Polygamous societies. Western society is infinitely more polygamous than anything the Sharia regulates. 80% of western women are sleeping with 20% of the Western men.
Im not arguing against polygamy 100%, I am arguing against cheating. And yeah, Polygamy is a bit natural, but not to the extent he describes. Polygamy is in fact mostly not a natural thing. The maximum of 4 wives is a mercy from God for women, as even to this day, being a widow, or being unable to find a husband can leave a woman in dire straits.

[Dick]

Women need you to give them attention. They need you to spend time with them. They're not like us. They get upset if you're not giving them your time. If you spend a lot of time at work or you have hobbies that keeps you away from her (not just physically but mentally also) they get upset and resentful. The resentment builds over time. I know this very well and I'm sure most guys here will agree when they think about their experiences.

The fault goes both ways. If it comes to work, they have to understand you're trying to make something of yourself. But with anything else it would be understandable unless they're crazy clingy.

I'm speaking generally of course.

All women are like that except the asexual ones.

[Sekarotuinen]

This is indeed rather true. I read a report in the UK which stated that young men have an average of 4 sexual partners, whereas young women have an average of 12. The breakdown of a traditional Christian framework, which ensured that A) Alpha men had to stick by the women they sleep with, and B) that women didn't simply use beta men for profit, has led to a situation in which the average western woman's vagina is nothing more than a public garage.
http://www.businessinsider.com/average-number-of-sex-partners-2015-4
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170508-the-many-reasons-that-people-are-having-less-sex

Men actually have more sexual partners on average than women, and people in general have less sex than they did in the past. Your argument is based on bitterness rather than truth.

[War Chef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC3L-Z6x4dg

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Women love their children. Regarding erotic love, romance is however a very much male creation. Primarily in the case of Western people it dates back to medieval knights.

Here, let's just use wiki to make it short:



Ancients didn't 'love' women. They were attracted to them and had uses for them, they didn't find them anyhow angelical.

this is what i mean when i speak about western cultural influence around the world
there is no corner in the whole world that was not touched by western influence
only people don' t realize how deep is this influence

what you wrote down is just one of many example !

[Demiurge]

http://www.businessinsider.com/average-number-of-sex-partners-2015-4
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170508-the-many-reasons-that-people-are-having-less-sex

Men actually have more sexual partners on average than women, and people in general have less sex than they did in the past. Your argument is based on bitterness rather than truth.

Are you able to read or not?

[Sekarotuinen]

Are you able to read or not?
Did you bother to click my links? The argument that women are looser than men is just stupid.

[Vyasa]

at first i thought all this "redpill" stuff is a joke but it turns out it's srs business.

[Demiurge]

Did you bother to click my links? The argument that women are looser than men is just stupid.

So you can't read then. Shame.

I specifically said young women have far more sexual partners than men.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3685314/Young-women-have-more-sexual-partners-than-men.html
http://archive.is/gVe8Q
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/love-sex/484144/Woman-have-more-sex-partners-than-men-cheat

Before you even think about hitting that 'reply' button, I'd strongly suggest you get in touch with a local community college and learn how to read. I know education is lacking in the USA but you seem to be an extraordinary example of it.

[Antimage]

Women are incapable of loving you. No matter how much you think she loves you, she doesn't.

You think all you do for her will make her love you? Ha! Think again. If you died, she'd simply find another man to fulfil your function. 75% of divorces are initiated by the woman for a reason. She knows she can find another you.

A woman does not love a man. A woman loves to be loved.

And what does to be loved mean for a woman? It means to be swept off of her feet by a man superior to her. This is just nature at work. The female always looks for the most superior male to mate with. In today's society, this means the man with the most wealth and influence. The dominant man with the ability to take her and her kids up the socioeconomic ladder.

This is precisely why she will never be able to love you. She loves what you represent, she doesn't love you. The same way a child can never love their parent more than the parent loves their child. Why? Because the parent has sacrificed for the child. The parent gives, whilst the child takes. You, the man, invest a great deal in building a relationship with a woman, so you have a reason to feel emotionally involved. You must invest the money, time, and emotion to win her over. Whereas at the absolute most a woman has to invest in a bit of make-up and a decent dress.

A woman expects (because she's offered it everyday) a great deal. She expects to be taken out, shown a good time, bought pointless gifts, and of course expects you to cry and apologise every time she is in the wrong. Most of all, she expects to be able to tell her family & friends, "Oh my husband is so rich and powerful". When do you hear of a man bragging about the economic stature of his wife? It's never the case precisely because of this dynamic.

There is however a catch. With every display of affection, she loses more respect for you. A guy who expresses his endless love for a woman will find that the woman now views him as something she "owns", and thus the excitement is lost and you are no longer in the position of power. Which is precisely the time she will go out and look for a new, exciting man.

To conclude, this situation brought on by feminism ruining the social dynamic ends up making both genders unhappy. Rich women find it impossible to find a mate, and end up living a pointless live of wage-labouring in futile corporate positions, whereas the lower-tier men find it impossible to meet the standards of modern women, who expect everything and give nothing.

What is the point? I should change my way of living, or?


I suspect what whenever sex-robots become a thing, none of us will be in relationships anymore.
I don't think so

[Sekarotuinen]

So you can't read then. Shame.

I specifically said young women have far more sexual partners than men.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3685314/Young-women-have-more-sexual-partners-than-men.html
http://archive.is/gVe8Q
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/love-sex/484144/Woman-have-more-sex-partners-than-men-cheat

Before you even think about hitting that 'reply' button, I'd strongly suggest you get in touch with a local community college and learn how to read. I know education is lacking in the USA but you seem to be an extraordinary example of it.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201703/how-could-men-report-more-sex-and-more-partners-women

All I'm saying is that men overall have more partners, cheat more, and people are overall having less sex. If women are also taken advantage of in high school by predator men at a young age, well, that's a problem with men also.

Sexual degeneracy is a primarily male thing. It's why in Islam women cover, for our own safety because it is men who are the sexual deviants.

[Pennywise]

Really sick and tired of seeing immature complainings of dudes who had no actual experience with a woman. Demonizing all women like this sounds logical to you at all?

[Demiurge]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201703/how-could-men-report-more-sex-and-more-partners-women

All I'm saying is that men overall have more partners, cheat more, and people are overall having less sex. If women are also taken advantage of in high school by predator men at a young age, well, that's a problem with men also.

Sexual degeneracy is a primarily male thing. It's why in Islam women cover, for our own safety because it is men who are the sexual deviants.

You're again missing my original point. An increasingly feminised society has changed the dynamic. This generation of men is the first generation that have been raised majority with no real male role models. You cannot compare a man in his 20's now to a man of any previous generation. The complete structure has changed, and in a sexual aspect it has changed in the woman's favour.

And yes, you hit the nail on the head, which is what I already mentioned in this thread. All proto-feminists were men. Male perverts like Marquis de Sade that wanted to separate girls from their fathers so they could fuck them. Extreme female promiscuity was always the end-goal of proto-feminism, it's interests just converged with the interests of big business.

As such, expect to see an increasing rise of Islamic feminism. Before long, I fully expect the Islamic world to embrace sexual degeneracy as westerners have.

[Sekarotuinen]

You're again missing my original point. An increasingly feminised society has changed the dynamic. This generation of men is the first generation that have been raised majority with no real male role models. You cannot compare a man in his 20's now to a man of any previous generation. The complete structure has changed, and in a sexual aspect it has changed in the woman's favour.

And yes, you hit the nail on the head, which is what I already mentioned in this thread. All proto-feminists were men. Male perverts like Marquis de Sade that wanted to separate girls from their fathers so they could fuck them. Extreme female promiscuity was always the end-goal of proto-feminism, it's interests just converged with the interests of big business.

As such, expect to see an increasing rise of Islamic feminism. Before long, I fully expect the Islamic world to embrace sexual degeneracy as westerners have.
How have men been emasculated? I would say women have moreso lost touch with what it means to be feminine. Everyone, male or female engages in a traditionally male role, myself included.

[War Chef]

Sexual degeneracy is a primarily male thing. It's why in Islam women cover, for our own safety because it is men who are the sexual deviants.

O rly? :eyes

remember it was you who made this gem of a thread

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212883-How-much-smut-do-you-read

[Demiurge]

How have men been emasculated? I would say women have moreso lost touch with what it means to be feminine. Everyone, male or female engages in a traditionally male role, myself included.

The issue is linked. When masculinity is lost, femininity is lost. Both masculinity and femininity are beautiful in equal measure, as I believe, as you do, that they were created by God to form a sacred bond. Since you have already admitted it, you might want to start by asking yourself why so many women have lost touch with what it means to be feminine to better answer how and why men have been emasculated.

[Sekarotuinen]

O rly? :eyes

remember it was you who made this gem of a thread

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212883-How-much-smut-do-you-read
Reading smut is the same as sleeping around?

[Demiurge]

O rly? :eyes

remember it was you who made this gem of a thread

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212883-How-much-smut-do-you-read

This is a good example of what I am talking about. A woman's desire to read 50 Shades of Grey is entertained, whereas 'lads mags' faced complete ostracisation in the UK. A woman's desire is embraced, a man's is shamed.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

All women are like that except the asexual ones.

Asexual women are a lot like bros.

[MissMischief]

OP, stop being so namby-pamby. Real men don't give a crap about love and feelings, they just want a BJ and a cold beer.

[Bonpal]

Men cheat often without having any intention of leaving their wife whom they still love and are attracted to(polyamorous nature), sometimes even with women who they perceive are uglier. Women cheat when they find another man to outdo their husbands (favouring the single best), and while they may still be fond of their husband, they're no longer sexually attracted to him.

too many friends of mine, married with kids, providing house, cars, kids in school and white picket fence. women just stabs them in the back like it means nothing at all.

[Lessenech]

this is what i mean when i speak about western cultural influence around the world
there is no corner in the whole world that was not touched by western influence
only people don' t realize how deep is this influence

what you wrote down is just one of many example !

Exactly. Take cases from different contexts of the world and you'll see that serenading women and basing marriage over an individual-oriented 'love' was absent there.
Whether Ancient China or Amerindians or what have you.

I think courtly love as an idea was somehow useful, since it's essentially the same logic behind people's devotion to saints. Human beings whom they perceive to be vessels to godly virtue. The problem is that unlike saints, they could eventually go and meet them and see what they're all about, and fuck them. So we're stuck with a warped inter-gender reality where people are both incredibly venal yet expecting a form of emotional devotion.

[Lessenech]

OP, stop being so namby-pamby. Real men don't give a crap about love and feelings, they just want a BJ and a cold beer.

That gets old really quick. Also, beer is bad for your gains, your testosterone levels and your belly fat. Don't drink that shit.

[Mingle]

MGTOWs are basically worthless incels who come here to seek attention. They are in self-destruct mode and want to take down everyone else with them.

[Annie999]

The level of incelism and resentfulness of some men in this forum is outstanding

[The Destroyer]

After reading this thread, I now have an idea.

Inshallah, we shall proclaim the Male State of Europa and America (MSEA). This state will have its Caliph, um, sorry, Ruler. It will exact terrorist attacks on women and on non-MGTOW males, and will spread the rule of the Calip.., um, State, all across the world. It will establish an Androcracy and Totalitarian Patriarchate.

[catgeorge]

After reading this thread, I now have an idea.

Inshallah, we shall proclaim the Male State of Europa and America (MSEA). This state will have its Caliph, um, sorry, Ruler. It will exact terrorist attacks on women and on non-MGTOW males, and will spread the rule of the Calip.., um, State, all across the world. It will establish an Androcracy and Totalitarian Patriarchate.

This is already working western beta males are already fully liberalised and half-way-to islamisation due to self-hate. Please take them away they are an ambarassment to the traditional ideals of what is European.

[The Destroyer]

This is already working western beta males are already fully liberalised and half-way-to islamisation due to self-hate. Please take them away they are an ambarassment to the traditional ideals of what is European.

That is an oxymoron. If they were truly islamized, their liberalism would be crushed like a fly. How do liberalism and Islamism fit each other? :confused:

[Lessenech]

This is already working western beta males are already fully liberalised and half-way-to islamisation due to self-hate. Please take them away they are an ambarassment to the traditional ideals of what is European.

After decades studying history and philosophy, the closest thing that I've been able to come up with regarding what 'European' is from a cultural pov (not geographic), is Christianity. Habermas reached the same conclusion ironically, even though I have no sympathy for the guy nor his robot voice. Everything else is artifice.

[catgeorge]

That is an oxymoron. If they were truly islamized, their liberalism would be crushed like a fly. How do liberalism and Islamism fit each other? :confused:

Yes I know - their self-hate and liberalization is only a slow process of sequence of events to be completely islamized.. you do not have to do anything they are coming to you which is alot better for you guys. From my end the door is open for them to GTFO.

[catgeorge]

After decades studying history and philosophy, the closest thing that I've been able to come up with regarding what 'European' is from a cultural pov (not geographic), is Christianity. Habermas reached the same conclusion ironically, even though I have no sympathy for the guy nor his robot voice. Everything else is artifice.

This is a very deep topic. Inadequate intellectualism, Postmodernism, Multiculturalism, Healthy Distrust of Authority, Individual Freedom...and so on. You can break these categories into deep yet long winded running-around-in-circles type of discussions.

[Dominicanese]

you just have a small dick nigga, we big dick niggas dont have that problem, we have women on the palm of our hands, if we cheat on them, they cant leave us cause our dick that good and we make they pussy explode

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/HW8AAOSw~oFXF4Pb/s-l300.jpg

http://idreamzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wpid-dickmatized.png

lol

[Bonpal]

The level of incelism and resentfulness of some men in this forum is outstanding


a lot of men get burned over here. get married, have children, pay for everything. then woman gets bored, moves in with boyfriend. husband is depicted as a jerk who wont leave her alone. if husband shows any violence its reason for restraining order and not being able to see your children. woman dont lose anything. husband usually ends up paying for the house she shares with her boyfriend. its like hell. i would never get married. its not worth it.

[Annie999]

a lot of men get burned over here. get married, have children, pay for everything. then woman gets bored, moves in with boyfriend. husband is depicted as a jerk who wont leave her alone. if husband shows any violence its reason for restraining order and not being able to see your children. woman dont lose anything. husband usually ends up paying for the house she shares with her boyfriend. its like hell. i would never get married. its not worth it.

You're another example of a resentful guy roaming the forum. Im sorry but that perspective of yours is quite sad, I mean women could also generalize and say "men are good for nothing that will cheat and leave you for the secretary while being shitty absent fathers" or some bs like that. Sure, cases like that happens too, but to live your life thinking that's the norm is quite sad and depressing really. But to each their own.

[Robocop]

The Author of thread have some valid points.

[Lessenech]

You're another example of a resentful guy roaming the forum. Im sorry but that perspective of yours is quite sad, I mean women could also generalize and say "men are good for nothing that will cheat and leave you for the secretary while being shitty absent fathers" or some bs like that. Sure, cases like that happens too, but to live your life thinking that's the norm is quite sad and depressing really. But to each their own.

Sad and depressing? How?
I talk to women often, and am even friendy and jokey at times. Doesn't mean I expect them at all to be anything good or reliable, in fact I always start by assuming they're cheap used-up girls out to have fun and little else, whom I try to treat nicely just to make it easy on myself. Depression only exists when you cling to illusions and feel sad things aren't what you'd like them to be. I accept things for what they are. That's all any of us can do.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Of course women are capable of doing things to help if they think it will benefit them in the long run. The same way we choose (usually) stop at red-lights even when short on time. It's for the individual greater good.

Women raise children. Women don't really benefit from raising kids or getting pregnant

[Bonpal]

You're another example of a resentful guy roaming the forum. Im sorry but that perspective of yours is quite sad, I mean women could also generalize and say "men are good for nothing that will cheat and leave you for the secretary while being shitty absent fathers" or some bs like that. Sure, cases like that happens too, but to live your life thinking that's the norm is quite sad and depressing really. But to each their own.

i dont keep many friends and yet i know many who have went through this exact problem. i dont feel resentful. i feel disappointed.

[Lek]

I honestly don't give a fuck, OP.

[Robocop]

First of all, I will tell you what is it, and you can laugh as much as you want, but 60-70% of all divorces today in Western world (when say western I mean Europe and Americas) are done by Facebook, and I am sorry to say this but out of all those 60-70% of divorces in more than 80% of cases it's women's fault.

Look, I always look individual as individual, I dont like to generalize, but I see what is going on. Men are not saints, never were, but women..., today women (in general, not all women) are no better than men in this Facebook-Internet era, in fact they're worse, they are the ones who are going after 5 or 6 years of marriage trough Facebook and sending messages to various guys, taking selfie-pictures of themselves in front of mirror FOR WHO EXACTLY?

A MARRIED WOMAN taking picture of herself in a mirror showing her legs and almost entire body to strangers on Facebook, for what reason? What reason could it be ladies and gentlmen?

And they expect what? That husband just watch those comments beneath pictures such as; "oh you're so nice, oh you're beautiful etc..." for months, years...?

Well such man would either go crazy, or he is an idiot, or he has only one choice; DIVORCE.

Woman doesn't have to cheat man for real, means sex IRL, It's even WORSE to cheat him in such manners, that is called EMOTIONAL TORTURE.

And those women who are doing that, and who are mothers and wives to someone, they're not mothers or wives, they are scums... plain and simple: SCUMS.

And don't get me wrong, same goes for men as well who are doing that.

I have more God damn respect for a woman or a man who actually goes and cheat his wife or her husband than fucking doing that shit on Facebook, I have more respect.

Now you can agree with me on this or not, but there you go.

P.S. I don't agree with author of this thread in general, that some women are looking for some rich males etc, blah blah, no..., they're looking more than often for RUSH, and they find it on Facebook, or any other similar site, and when they're discovered...DIVORCE is almost inevitable, because rarely any of them are able to stop.

[Peterski]

Robocop are you divorced?

[Loki]

Oh dear... :picard2:

[Robocop]

Robocop are you divorced?

Yep, and guess what, believe it or not, it wasn't my fault, so I think I am entitled to say few things from first hand about this issue.

I am a guy with open mind, but I am also traditional guy to some degree, means; we have to respect some old traditions, which doesn't mean that woman should be always in kitchen, hell no, but can woman do whatever she wants whenever she wants only because we men are afraid they will take away our children? Hell no.

My ex couldn't take my child because I proved in court how she behaved in last year of marriage, and in the end it was more than obvious back then and now that child loved me more, why? Because I was giving all emotions and time to child, while she was spending a lot of her time on viber and facebook, well ..., good luck to her now.

Now she see her mistakes, oh how nice for her..., she was in some form of trans I guess for a year, poor her..., a victim of facebook, it's like if Alcoholic goes around and blames bottle, it's not bottle's fault but her/his fault, what I mean by this: there is no difference between Facebook-"Alcoholic" and real Alcoholic, only here in SouthEastern Europe and Central and Eastern Europe this problem is not revealed yet as it should be revealed, means; woman (or a man) who is addicted to Facebook should visit Psychiatrist or get the Hell out of a Man's house if she cannot resolve her issues on her own.

I see a lot of men trying to win over again their wives with various things, like buying them something, or trying to bring back time with old memories, nothin of that will work, nothing..., it will only get worse, the only language she will understand if she is doing that shit on facebook (or any other similar site) is the language: MY WAY OR HIGHWAY, PERIOD! Why? Because women when come to such level of behaviour they're not ready for any kind of compromise, none.

And yeah, it is hard for children, that's why men tolerate such behaviour in many women of today, because of children, they're thinkin to themselves; "she will change to what she was, I have to be patient etc...", bullshit man..., bullshit.

Wife will respect THE MARRIAGE (if that husband is ok guy) or she can leave the house, that's it.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I don't understand the issue here. Life as a man is awesome. Life as a woman sucks in comparison. The only advantage they have is in the legal system when it comes to divorce but that's easily avoidable by dropping a woman who shows bad traits. No one can hide the worst about themselves for long. You should already know what you're getting yourself into when you marry someone.

Rejoice, men! The world is our oyster. To be a man is to look upon the face of God and not flinch for we are looking at our reflection.

[Sekarotuinen]

You're another example of a resentful guy roaming the forum. Im sorry but that perspective of yours is quite sad, I mean women could also generalize and say "men are good for nothing that will cheat and leave you for the secretary while being shitty absent fathers" or some bs like that. Sure, cases like that happens too, but to live your life thinking that's the norm is quite sad and depressing really. But to each their own.
Lots of guys here are so sad honestly, nail on the head.

[N1019]

Women raise children. Women don't really benefit from raising kids or getting pregnant

Under some circumstances, it could mean the difference between receiving support from a (dominant) man and being used as a sex toy then cast out. Nature is pretty hostile. We're so far detached from it that it's not always obvious. Men are expected to be useful and so are women, or at least, they should be.

Let's say a tribe was conquered by another. The conquered women - some or all of them, depending on the outcome of the fight - might be expected to bear children for the victorious men and otherwise serve them. If they refused to comply, they could end up dead.

[Robocop]

Lots of guys here are so sad honestly, nail on the head.

I cannot understand those men who are sad, here or IRL because of this things, honestly.

If somethin doesn't work, it doesn't work, move on, life goes on, the better one will come after previous armageddon, that's it.

What should men do exactly in this world of today in marriage if woman wants to do whatever she wants? Kneel in front of her?, I will never kneel.

I'm always optimist, always going forward nevermind how hard it can be, sun always come after storm.

And what ppl forget, most of ppl here, women and men, that in MARRIAGE the factor OF RESPECTING THE MARRIAGE is of same importance as Love itself, if there is no respect for marriage (nevermind if this sounds traditional or conservative) there is nothing from that relation in the long run.

Some ppl here think that marriage should be like Romeo and Juliet for entire life, oh no, that's like first 3 or 5 years of marriage at most, after that it will come crisis, but those who respect the marriage will overcome it.

Romeo and Juliet if not killed themselves would find that crisis as well lol.

[Loki]

Women are pre-programmed to be careful when it comes to men. They don't have men's physical strength, so nature has endowed them with inner strength. Women are careful, because they have to be. I see plenty of single mums carrying their little children, because the fathers have left them.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Well, under some circumstances it could mean the difference between receiving support from a man and being used as a sex toy and cast out, so there can be benefits to it. Besides, it's in their biological programming to want children. If women don't benefit from pregnancy and raising children, nor do men benefit from having children.
woman don't benefit from having kids really, unless shes just having kids for child support. But then I don't know if she truely benefits either, because her life is harder if she has to raise kids. Unless shes a shitty parent and gives the bare minimum to her kids so she can hoard the money. Most woman biological are set up to love their children when they get pregnant do to how hormones effect them during pregnancy. But most women get pregnant because they love fall in love. The other more common is by accident in NSA relationship or one night stand.

[N1019]

Women are pre-programmed to be careful when it comes to men. They don't have men's physical strength, so nature has endowed them with inner strength. Women are careful, because they have to be. I see plenty of single mums carrying their little children, because the fathers have left them.

But it could be argued that since they ended up as single mothers, many of them were not careful enough in choosing the father of their children.

In the modern "woman's utopia", left to their own devices and free of societal and familial pressure, women are notoriously bad at choosing men. They tend to rely on primordial cues.

[N1019]

woman don't benefit from having kids really, unless shes just having kids for child support.

Which seems pretty common. Children become a form of income for many women.



But then I don't know if she truely benefits either, because her life is harder if she has to raise kids. Unless shes a shitty parent and gives the bare minimum to her kids so she can hoard the money. But most women get pregnant because they love fall in love. The other more common is by accident in NSA relationship or one night stand.

Whether you think they are benefiting or not, mothers obviously think having children is the right thing to do at the time, otherwise they wouldn't be making that choice. It is a choice. Outside of rape, no woman has to get pregnant, and most mothers aren't the victims of rape. And in much of the world, no woman has to proceed with an unwanted pregnancy. Where contraception and abortion are available, it's all a choice, and having children is a very popular choice. In more conservative parts of the world, what happens to a woman who refuses to get married and have children? It doesn't do her any good. The same goes for unmarried, childless women in the West. Don't tell me they are happy as the years pass them by. There are practical reasons why it's done, even in the modern era.

[Robocop]

Women are pre-programmed to be careful when it comes to men. They don't have men's physical strength, so nature has endowed them with inner strength. Women are careful, because they have to be. I see plenty of single mums carrying their little children, because the fathers have left them.

Well that's sad, sad sad picture for sure, and those men can hardly be called men.

But overall, all this talk here, picture is never black and white, it's grey..., and this world of today, our european world (including all anglosaxon, romance etc countries around the world) is facing total failure of traditional behaviour, traditional marriage.

I dont mean by this that someone should be conservative Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or whatever, but some traditions were not placed there for fun, and today most of ppl just wanna have fun, and a lot of women in their 30's durin the marriage are like in this song (the only difference this girls from song were teenagers in their time):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMWWBigvbkY

:D

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Which seems pretty common. Children become a form of income for many women.




Whether you think they are benefiting or not, mothers obviously think having children is the right thing to do at the time, otherwise they wouldn't be making that choice. It is a choice. Outside of rape, no woman has to get pregnant, and most mothers aren't the victims of rape.

That's a side effect of divorce.
They don't usually get impregnated for child support. They usually have a relationship and then it falls apart.

They have that law about child support so the father can still be involved someway to support the child. The thing is that the child can't legally be responsible with how they spend their money because they are minors. So mothers have to handle the money. Its a loophole for some that use it to get child support money just for having more money for themselves.

[N1019]

That's a side effect of divorce.
They don't usually get impregnated for child support. They usually have a relationship and then it falls apart.

There are thousands of women with children who never married. But even if they did get married, why did they have those children to begin with? They didn't have to.
Obviously, they thought it was the right thing to do, i.e. that they would benefit in some way.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

There are thousands of women with children who never married. But even if they did get married, why did they have those children to begin with? They didn't have to.
Obviously, they thought it was the right thing to do, i.e. that they would benefit in some way.

Thats true you are right, But that law still applies because they are the father regardless and they still had a relationship.

[Demiurge]

Women raise children. Women don't really benefit from raising kids or getting pregnant

Are you joking? :picard2: Child benefit in any European country is crazy. A woman pumps out a kid and the state looks after her for life. It's the easiest deal you can get.

[N1019]

Thats true you are right, But that law still applies because they are the father regardless and they still had a relationship.

So women CHOOSE to have children because they think it is a good idea, the right thing to do, and will benefit them. Case closed.

[Demiurge]

Funny how female posters here can't actually make an argument by the way other than, "Aw poor bitter men can't get laid". They know they benefit from this system and want to try to shame anyone who points it out.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Are you joking? :picard2: Child benefit in any European country is crazy. A woman pumps out a kid and the state looks after her for life. It's the easiest deal you can get.

Do they pay her housing and rent too? electric bills ect? Internet clothing TV, food shopping? Child support doesnt pay that much. Its only to cover the child. But I wouldn't know since I don't even have kids.

[Demiurge]

Do they pay her housing and rent too?

Yes. You apply for social housing + money to pay for the kid. Plus, once the baby is born the woman can legally take the man to court for everything he has and he faces prison if he doesn't pay up. Economically it's a great move.

[Robocop]

Funny how female posters here can't actually make an argument by the way other than, "Aw poor bitter men can't get laid". They know they benefit from this system and want to try to shame anyone who points it out.

No offence but 99% of all females on this forum are decent women/girls IMO when it comes about marriage one day, we are here talking about the world in general.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Yes. You apply for social housing + money to pay for the kid. Plus, once the baby is born the woman can legally take the man to court for everything he has and he faces prison if he doesn't pay up. Economically it's a great move.

then you have a point.

But I don't think women are getting pregnant for that. I think its just an incentive they can do after the break up. I don't think women want to raise kids by themselves.

[N1019]

Do they pay her housing and rent too? electric bills ect? Internet clothing TV, food shopping? Child support doesnt pay that much. Its only to cover the child. But I wouldn't know since I don't even have kids.

As if child support is the only benefit single mothers get. We all know it's not. In welfare states they are likely to receive discounts and subsidies, and a pension if they happen to be unemployed, in addition to a large share of the ex husband's assets if they were married/de facto.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

As if child support is the only benefit single mothers get. We all know it's not.

what else do they get? besides mentioned by the other guy

[N1019]

what else do they get? besides mentioned by the other guy


In welfare states they are likely to receive discounts and subsidies for rent, medicine, child care, etc., tax breaks, and a pension if they happen to be unemployed, in addition to a large share of the ex husband's assets if they were married/de facto. It's all part of the welfare for women bandwagon.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

In welfare states they are likely to receive discounts and subsidies, tax breaks, and a pension if they happen to be unemployed, in addition to a large share of the ex husband's assets if they were married/de facto.

Did you mom do this to your dad too? Or this happens alot where you live?

[N1019]

Did you mom do this to your dad too? Or this happens alot where you live?

Let's not make this personal. Yes, it happens a lot throughout Western welfare states. The majority of welfare recipients are women. The majority of tax is paid by men. Go figure.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Let's not make this personal. Yes, it happens a lot throughout Western welfare states. The majority of welfare recipients are women. The majority of tax is paid by men. Go figure.

I was just trolling a bit. I wanted to see if you got mad lol. But its not really anything personel.

The problem with it is that they are rewarded more if they are single not working then if they are single and working. They can't apply for foodstamps I think if they are employed. Same I think maybe with housing.

But the father has to be involved in the childs life someway. Child support is most universal way of doing it.
Unless they can show hes been paying for the childs needs with receipts. The father is not with the childs parent. The only other thing the father can have is visitation to see his child and spend time.

[Loki]

Are you joking? :picard2: Child benefit in any European country is crazy. A woman pumps out a kid and the state looks after her for life. It's the easiest deal you can get.

Isn't that important for the wellbeing of the child? Every child deserves a good upbringing, not poverty and struggle.

[Heather Duval]

lol
guys cant love you enough, women do

[N1019]

I was just trolling a bit. I wanted to see if you got mad lol. But its not really anything personel.

The problem with it is that they are rewarded more if they are single not working then if they are single and working. They can't apply for foodstamps I think if they are employed. Same I think maybe with housing.

Foodstamps sounds like an American thing. Things are somewhat different in the US to most of the Western world, where you can work and still receive various welfare benefits from the state, at least below a certain income level.


But the father has to be involved in the childs life someway. Child support is most universal way of doing it.
Unless they can show hes been paying for the childs needs with receipts. The father is not with the childs parent. The only other thing the father can have is visitation to see his child and spend time.

No-one's questioning whether fathers have responsibility for their children. We were talking about whether a woman benefits from having children, and in my opinion she does, as previously stated. It's a conscious decision she makes, and she does it because she thinks it's the right thing to do, and it follows that there must be a benefit to her of some kind, be it material or emotional. In the developed world, at least, no woman has to have kids, yet so many choose to take that path anyway. If they thought it was wrong or offered no benefits, why should so many women become mothers? Even in the developing world, women can often avoid marriage and children by demonstrating to the community that they are not wife material. When they do that, men and their families will often look elsewhere for wives and mothers because they don't want trouble. Even in the Islamic world there are a growing number of unmarried women with more of a career focus than a family focus.


The whole notion that women are always the victims of circumstances and particularly of the actions of men, whereas men are responsible, is part of the problem. It is demeaning to women. It suggests that women have no agency, can't make decisions of their own and no control over the path their lives take. Things don't just happen to women because of men and their families, or systemic aggression against them. Women make choices and invite certain consequences, just like men do.

[Loki]

lol
guys cant love you enough, women do

lolwut?

[Herr Abubu]

Best thing you can do is to practice some asceticism in your life and don't get hung up on the bad things in life that are out of your control. Control your urges. Giving in to wants and desires, if they are mere passions, only enslaves you to them. You become dependent.

Women today are extremely spoiled and educated poorly and it has put their nature at odds with their self or whatever, don't know how to express it. You don't actually need women, however, so don't get hung up on it. It is what it is, if you can't find a woman who's different then so be it.

This sort of mentality will make you more robust and let you be on top of most situations in life.

[Lek]

Best thing you can do is to practice some asceticism in your life and don't get hung up on the bad things in life that are out of your control. Control your urges. Giving in to wants and desires, if they are mere passions, only enslaves you to them. You become dependent.

Women today are extremely spoiled and educated poorly and it has put their nature at odds with their self or whatever, don't know how to express it. You don't actually need women, however, so don't get hung up on it. It is what it is, if you can't find a woman who's different then so be it.

This sort of mentality will make you more robust and let you be on top of most situations in life.

Older women, milfs in their 30's & 40s, are usually more mature than younger women. Easier to deal with and healthier relationships.

[Heather Duval]

Older women, milfs in their 30's & 40s, are usually more mature than younger women. Easier to deal with and healthier relationships.

30s women arent milfs lol they are young and acts like retarded sometimes

[Lek]

30s women arent milfs lol they are young and acts like retarded sometimes

I dont know. Some could be. Younger ones are the worst. A lot of milfs look for some good sex. I just saw some hot milf in the grocery store today. She was with her kid. She kept looking over at me from time to time and smiled and said hello when she walked past. I think she was a alone mother. I should of made a move but wasn't 100% sure. There were so many other people there.

She had short brunette hair and a really nice ass/body. Ive never seen her before. Id guess her in her 30's or 40's.

[Heather Duval]

I dont know. Some could be. Younger ones are the worst. A lot of milfs look for some good sex. I just saw some hot milf in the grocery store today. She was with her kid. She kept looking over at me from time to time and smiled and said hello when she walked past. I think she was a alone mother. I should of made a move but wasn't 100% sure. There were so many other people there.

She had short brunette hair and a really nice ass/body. Ive never seen her before. Id guess her in her 30's or 40's.

Schizo

[Annie999]

Guys stop blaming fate for your incapability to get good worthy women. Seriously, many of you whine like babys playing the victim as if it was't you own fault to choose ladys that dont reach your mark. Take responsibility on your own decisions and start choosing wisely. Most women are not like the ones you describe, its you that for some rason gravitate around them.

[N1019]

Older women, milfs in their 30's & 40s, are usually more mature than younger women. Easier to deal with and healthier relationships.

By definition, there is quite likely something wrong with MILFs and single women aged in their 30s and above. If they were right in the head, and wife material, they should have been married by their late 20s, perhaps early 30s at the latest. If they are divorced, they have probably made some very bad choices in their lives. Alarm bells should ring. However, that doesn't mean they are useless/should be totally avoided. Such women still have their uses. Just beware that their cock count is probably high, which means they are less likely to have successful LTRs and carries with it the risk of herpes etc. against which condoms cannot protect. The younger ones are better physically, and often mentally, since they have had less exposure to the harsh realities of life, which for ageing modern day women can lead to all manner of self-sabotaging emotional hang-ups.

[Wadaad]

You're another example of a resentful guy roaming the forum. Im sorry but that perspective of yours is quite sad, I mean women could also generalize and say "men are good for nothing that will cheat and leave you for the secretary while being shitty absent fathers" or some bs like that. Sure, cases like that happens too, but to live your life thinking that's the norm is quite sad and depressing really. But to each their own.

His avi is of a Human-Robot couple cuddling.

[Ylla]

Women need you to give them attention. They need you to spend time with them. They're not like us. They get upset if you're not giving them your time. If you spend a lot of time at work or you have hobbies that keeps you away from her (not just physically but mentally also) they get upset and resentful. The resentment builds over time. I know this very well and I'm sure most guys here will agree when they think about their experiences.

The fault goes both ways. If it comes to work, they have to understand you're trying to make something of yourself. But with anything else it would be understandable unless they're crazy clingy.

I'm speaking generally of course.

True, there aren't many people out there that can balance/manage relationship, career, personal life.
Honestly speaking, most relationships break down because most people lack interpersonal skills, that's literally it.

[Survivor]

Non-White men can't get women to love them, because of the system of White Supremacy. When is the last time a woman of any color truly loved a Non-White man? It happens only in movies.

[Lightshade25]

It's easier to be a homo.

[Peterski]

OP, stop being so namby-pamby. Real men don't give a crap about love and feelings, they just want a BJ and a cold beer.

Hey I just found a real man on Reddit: :)

https://i.redd.it/04boq0bter5z.jpg

[Robocop]

OP, stop being so namby-pamby. Real men don't give a crap about love and feelings, they just want a BJ and a cold beer.

Real men have feeligs and emotions, and they're strong in the same time, for all ppl they love. You could say that statement for men in early 20's or teenagers, but men in late 20's, 30's etc without love, emotions are scums, plain and simple.

And there are more than plenty of scums in this world, from both gender.

Real men stay with family, have emotions and love for children, endless love, they are strong when it's worse in life and when it's best.

Inferior scums are those who run for their own pleasure, inferior scums nevermind of their race, nationality or religion, their only race is: scums, a phenotype; scumanoid.

P.S. I don't agree with statements which author's made, he is looking at things "black and white", but there is no doubt in my mind that right women seek for a guy who is emotional and strong in the same time, those who wants a guy without feelings and love, they deserve one.

[Lek]

By definition, there is quite likely something wrong with MILFs and single women aged in their 30s and above. If they were right in the head, and wife material, they should have been married by their late 20s, perhaps early 30s at the latest. If they are divorced, they have probably made some very bad choices in their lives. Alarm bells should ring. However, that doesn't mean they are useless/should be totally avoided. Such women still have their uses. Just beware that their cock count is probably high, which means they are less likely to have successful LTRs and carries with it the risk of herpes etc. against which condoms cannot protect. The younger ones are better physically, and often mentally, since they have had less exposure to the harsh realities of life, which for ageing modern day women can lead to all manner of self-sabotaging emotional hang-ups.

Probably some of the most stupid shit Ive ever read.

[jatt]

Women are incapable of loving you. No matter how much you think she loves you, she doesn't.

You think all you do for her will make her love you? Ha! Think again. If you died, she'd simply find another man to fulfil your function. 75% of divorces are initiated by the woman for a reason. She knows she can find another you.

A woman does not love a man. A woman loves to be loved.

And what does to be loved mean for a woman? It means to be swept off of her feet by a man superior to her. This is just nature at work. The female always looks for the most superior male to mate with. In today's society, this means the man with the most wealth and influence. The dominant man with the ability to take her and her kids up the socioeconomic ladder.

This is precisely why she will never be able to love you. She loves what you represent, she doesn't love you. The same way a child can never love their parent more than the parent loves their child. Why? Because the parent has sacrificed for the child. The parent gives, whilst the child takes. You, the man, invest a great deal in building a relationship with a woman, so you have a reason to feel emotionally involved. You must invest the money, time, and emotion to win her over. Whereas at the absolute most a woman has to invest in a bit of make-up and a decent dress.

A woman expects (because she's offered it everyday) a great deal. She expects to be taken out, shown a good time, bought pointless gifts, and of course expects you to cry and apologise every time she is in the wrong. Most of all, she expects to be able to tell her family & friends, "Oh my husband is so rich and powerful". When do you hear of a man bragging about the economic stature of his wife? It's never the case precisely because of this dynamic.

There is however a catch. With every display of affection, she loses more respect for you. A guy who expresses his endless love for a woman will find that the woman now views him as something she "owns", and thus the excitement is lost and you are no longer in the position of power. Which is precisely the time she will go out and look for a new, exciting man.

To conclude, this situation brought on by feminism ruining the social dynamic ends up making both genders unhappy. Rich women find it impossible to find a mate, and end up living a pointless live of wage-labouring in futile corporate positions, whereas the lower-tier men find it impossible to meet the standards of modern women, who expect everything and give nothing.

I suspect what whenever sex-robots become a thing, none of us will be in relationships anymore.

There is so much discontent and suspecion about each other in both the sexes. But both men and women are more similat than dissimilar and its the social conditioning that makes the different.. men know so little about women and women know little about men...

the only part of the text i agree is in bold red...

[N1019]

Probably some of the most stupid shit Ive ever read.

In that case, it would be cruel of you to hide the reasons why. Please, lay it all out. Pick my post apart word by word. If you can, that is.

[jatt]

A guy likes a girl and girl reciprocates but guy hesitates to make a move until he is 100% sure.. girl doest wanna look desperate because she think men dont like desperate women. after few months guy muster all the courage and asks girl out and she although wanted to say yes but says no trying to play hard to get because in her mind guy will like her more like that she learned from movies and girl friends... Guy never asked her out again and starts hating women and girl starts hating men for not coming back again....

typical story of now days men and women... both sexes dont know what other wants

[Robocop]

There is so much discontent and suspecion about each other in both the sexes. But both men and women are more similat than dissimilar and its the social conditioning that makes the different.. men know so little about women and women know little about men...

the only part of the text i agree is in bold red...

Yeah I also agree with that part which you placed bold-red, but are you sayin that goes for women in marriage as well? I don't think so, means if woman have child or children with a man and she just loses her affection because she has no rush anymore... she will just leave for another man?

Wtf....?

What is that..., child should be in the first place nevermind of her affections, not to mention we're talkin about here about some straight up guy, good guy, how would you describe such married woman who would do that except selfish slut?

[N1019]

A guy likes a girl and girl reciprocates but guy hesitates to make a move until he is 100% sure.. girl doest wanna look desperate because she think men dont like desperate women. after few months guy muster all the courage and asks girl out and she although wanted to say yes but says no trying to play hard to get because in her mind guy will like her more like that she learned from movies and girl friends... Guy never asked her out again and starts hating women and girl starts hating men for not coming back again....

typical story of now days men and women... both sexes dont know what other wants

According to some pick-up artists, a three-second rule applies. You have three seconds after making eye contact with a new woman to approach and hit on her. Beyond that, your chances of success start to diminish. Three seconds might be an exaggeration but the point is, if you stuff around before making your intentions clear, women are less likely to say yes when you ask them out. You become just a friend for not having the balls to grab the situation by the horns, take charge and be decisive. In any case, it's better to find out quickly whether she likes you. If she doesn't, you'll move on and waste less time.

Back to women. In general, I tend to agree with the title of the thread. Women have evolved to love, or at least submit to, the leader - the winner, the high status man who is dominant and in charge. As we know, that position can be held by many different men at different times. Whether they can ever love you as opposed to loving what you offer in terms of status, material and security, well maybe they can, but that love can dry up pretty quickly if you no longer act like "the man". It's not their fault. It's just evolution. Men need to be aware of it, though.

[jatt]

Yeah I also agree with that part which you placed bold-red, but are you sayin that goes for women in marriage as well? I don't think so, means if woman have child or children with a man and she just loses her affection because she has no rush anymore... she will just leave for another man?

Wtf....?

What is that..., child should be in the first place nevermind of her affections, not to mention we're talkin about here about some straight up guy, good guy, how would you describe such married woman who would do that except selfish slut?

tbh dude i have no idea why women behave like that but they do we all know.. Best way to keep her infactuated with you is to never show your emotions for her too much.... never tell her she is pretty and when she asks just says umm yea...

In a perfect world women should reciprocate the mans feeling but in reality they show attitude to the man treat him like their slave... and once it comes to this mans life is like a dog on leash

[Robocop]

tbh dude i have no idea why women behave like that but they do we all know.. Best way to keep her infactuated with you is to never show your emotions for her too much.... never tell her she is pretty and when she asks just says umm yea...

In a perfect world women should reciprocate the mans feeling but in reality they show attitude to the man treat him like their slave... and once it comes to this mans life is like a dog on leash

Unfortunately there are such women, but there are exceptions to that "rule", IMO & experience, thank God. :)

[jatt]

According to some pick-up artists, a three-second rule applies. You have three seconds after making eye contact with a new woman to approach and hit on her. Beyond that, your chances of success start to diminish. Three seconds might be an exaggeration but the point is, if you stuff around before making your intentions clear, women are less likely to say yes when you ask them out. You become just a friend for not having the balls to grab the situation by the horns, take charge and be decisive. In any case, it's better to find out quickly whether she likes you. If she doesn't, you'll move on and waste less time.

Back to women. In general, I tend to agree with the title of the thread. Women have evolved to love, or at least submit to, the leader - the winner, the high status man who is dominant and in charge. As we know, that position can be held by many different men at different times. Whether they can ever love you as opposed to loving what you offer in terms of status, material and security, well maybe they can, but that love can dry up pretty quickly if you no longer act like "the man". It's not their fault. It's just evolution. Men need to be aware of it, though.

Nah if the women is genuinely interested in the guy she cant get him out of her head so easily and wait and wait till the guy makes the move.. she will even give the guy many hints like sometimes she will make eye contact and stop at some place where there is nobody around and keep staring etc... i mean she will try her best to get the guy to ask her out.

i dont know about pshychology of women wanting leader and etc but i think women are not that diffent from men in selecting a mate .. Many men even think women dont like sex lol lol .,.. women act differnet to men because of societal norms but they are very similar.. Only difference is women have less gutts

[Robocop]

...

Also IMO we have to take into consideration one another thing here, cultural thing or phenomenon...

I was reading some time ago that Greece has the lowest percentege of divorces in EU, while for example Croatia has 50% to even 70% of divorces in last 10 years, same goes for western European countries (in most of cases with Catholic population countries as well), and I think the big percentage of divorces is in Scandinavia as well and Germany etc...

Now, one should truly ask him/herself why is this..., maybe some Greeks can correct me if Im wrong but I've read they have lowest percentage of divorces in EU, nevermind they have economy crisis etc, but they obviously have other more important things for marriage and I salute them for that.

IMO it is about tradition in Orthodox world, I think Orthodox ppl kept some of traditions what is what even if they're atheists in their countries or agnostics or whatever, traditions are still there, while in ours Catholic European countries..., we're like Sodoma and Gommora man, means traditions are totally gone, in most of cases.

You're Indian guy, I don't know about percentage of divorces amongst your ppl but I wouldn't say it's high percentage, for some reason I think your ppl still keep some tradition what is marriage.

Even if Indian women would behave as you now described for women in general, I would say it is western Catholic/Protestant syndrome.

And this goes from me, from a Catholic guy (even though only on paper Catholic), but even though Im Catholic only on paper because of ancestors, it is obvious that I value some old traditions which have nothin to do with my believe in God, I hope you see what point I'm tryin to make.

Now this may come to someone here as a shock from me, but there are two things I respect about Muslim world for example; their attitude toward marriage and what is marriage and their attitude toward criminals. When I say this about Muslims and their attitude about marriage, I am not referring on their laws or Sharia, but about their tradition of what is what considering marriage.

Ofcourse there are always exceptions in all of this cultures I mentioned now, but in general I think this is cultural phenomenon, and because Western (Catholic and Protestant population countries) have most influence on present day world, I think this phenomenon or better said; SYNDROME of total decadence of Western society (considering values and tradition) is slowly but surely affecting also the rest of the world, unfortunately.

P.S. Don't get me wrong, I am not for some Catholic Religion state, I am secularist to the core, but I am against this God damn lost of values and traditions which I see daily in my own country and I cannot even imagine how is like in Western Europe.

I repeat; total decadence of values and traditions what marriage is.

It wasn't always like this in Catholic countries, this is syndrome from last 30-40 years.

[War Chef]

A guy likes a girl and girl reciprocates but guy hesitates to make a move until he is 100% sure.. girl doest wanna look desperate because she think men dont like desperate women. after few months guy muster all the courage and asks girl out and she although wanted to say yes but says no trying to play hard to get because in her mind guy will like her more like that she learned from movies and girl friends... Guy never asked her out again and starts hating women and girl starts hating men for not coming back again....

typical story of now days men and women... both sexes dont know what other wants

tru

[catgeorge]

How about just approaching a girl you like and just say something like "I like your energy and aura - have dinner with me" What you got to lose... if she says no -- pffft...

But is true my wife played hard to get when I wanted her - it was doing my head in. I ended up going to her parents house and told them I am taking out their daughter so she wouldn't be able to give me the run around. It worked - I think some women just want to test a mans character and intestinal fortitude before making a move. As since then she has been 1000% devoted to the cause.

[N1019]

Nah if the women is genuinely interested in the guy she cant get him out of her head so easily and wait and wait till the guy makes the move.. she will even give the guy many hints like sometimes she will make eye contact and stop at some place where there is nobody around and keep staring etc... i mean she will try her best to get the guy to ask her out.

That feeling definitely does not last forever. At least, not in a "target-rich" environment where women have many options. They have no reason to latch onto a single man if they are getting attention from many. You have to make your move when or soon after she exhibits signs of interest. If you fumble, she will consider you weak or gay.


i dont know about pshychology of women wanting leader and etc but i think women are not that diffent from men in selecting a mate .. Many men even think women dont like sex lol lol .,.. women act differnet to men because of societal norms but they are very similar.. Only difference is women have less gutts

Women are definitely different to men in terms of mate selection. Our initial assessment of a woman is purely on her looks as indicators of health and fertility, since reproduction is the name of the game. For women, attraction is as much about how the man carries himself as his body. If you don't feel and act like "the man", she will feel it, and it will turn her off, and this can happen in a matter of seconds.

Women like sex just as much as, if not more than men. They just need to feel secure and comfortable, and don't want to look like a slut, because they know it lowers their value.

[jatt]

How about just approaching a girl you like and just say something like "I like your energy and aura - have dinner with me" What you got to lose... if she says no -- pffft...

But is true my wife played hard to get when I wanted her - it was doing my head in. I ended up going to her parents house and told them I am taking out their daughter so she wouldn't be able to give me the run around. It worked - I think some women just want to test a mans character and intestinal fortitude before making a move. As since then she has been 1000% devoted to the cause.

Many girls play hard to get when they are sure guy is infactuated with her.. test of character my ass lol .. they just like guys to chase them and give him hard time and feel better about themselves. When girls tried that shit with me i completely ignored her for a whole month and even when she will try to make eye contact or smile i will look other way. usually girls just like guys can tell when someone is just pretending to ignore and so one must be carefull.. and then they start making excuses to talk to you or tell one of their friends to talk with you ragarding them...

[jatt]

That feeling definitely does not last forever. At least, not in a "target-rich" environment where women have many options. You have to make your move when she exhibits signs of interest, or she will consider you weak, gay or unininterested.



Women like sex more than men. They just need to feel secure and comfortable, and don't want to look like a slut, because they know it lowers their value.

Friend when women is in love i can tell and know she not going anywhere..Its not that easy for her to move on. She can only move on if shes not really interested in me and in that case there is no point in trying to get the girl whos not interested.. women too dont have many options like we use to beleive.. Every one can stare at them but not many are special one for her and not many will make move unless they are sure shes into them... Ignoring always worked for me other than 1 time

[N1019]

Friend when women is in love i can tell and know she not going anywhere..Its not that easy for to move on.

Women don't just fall in love. It happens slowly. Falling out of love, however, can happen very quickly. They see men they like, and show signs of interest, but that is not love!



She can only move on if shes really interested in me and in that case there is no point in trying to get the girl whos not interested.. women too dont have many options like we use to beleive..

Attractive women have many options. They receive attention from men all the time - not all to their liking, but a percentage of it is. They don't need to wait for you.



Every one can stare at them but not many are special one for her and not many will make move unless they are sure shes into them... Ignoring always worked for me other than 1 time

What do you mean by ignoring?

[jatt]

Women don't just fall in love. It happens slowly. Falling out of love, however, can happen very quickly.




Attractive women have many options. They receive attention from men all the time - not all to their liking, but a percentage of it is. They don't need to wait for you.




What do you mean by ignoring?

With me women fall in love and start making eye contact time and again. Sometimes women who like me even get nervous around me and i can tell. Their voice changes and sometimes they try a bit too much to show they are not attracted and it actually becomes obvious they are attracted..

Have you even been in love?

[N1019]

With me women fall in love and start making eye contact time and again. Sometimes women who like me even get nervous around me and i can tell. Their voice changes and sometimes they try a bit too much to show they are not attracted and it actually becomes obvious they are attracted..

Have you even been in love?

That's not love. That just means they are interested, and you can kill that feeling pretty quickly with a few missteps.

[jatt]

That's not love.

lol Ok tell me what about women making the first move.. do u believe women never make a move .. has it ever happened with you ever ?

[N1019]

lol Ok tell me what about women making the first move.. do u believe women never make a move .. has it ever happened with you ever ?

What do you mean by "make a move"?

[jatt]

That's not love. That just means they are interested, and you can kill that feeling pretty quickly with a few missteps.

man why you think women are something special.. you putting them on some pedestal as if they are some super stars.. they are human beings like you and me and they have feelings too and they get infactuated with person they like as well.. one day you will know

[jatt]

What do you mean by "make a move"?

like asking you out or proposing to go out for a movie etc.. or just comeing close to you to say something and then just run away being shy lol

[N1019]

man why you think women are something special.. you putting them on some pedestal as if they are some super stars.. they are human beings like you and me and they have feelings too and they get infactuated with person they like as well.. one day you will know

Umm, if that's what you think I'm doing, you're way off the mark.

[N1019]

like asking you out or proposing to go out for a movie etc.. or just comeing close to you to say something and then just run away being shy lol

Yeah, they are called expressions of interest. That is not love. Like I said, a few missteps and you will kill that feeling. When a woman does that stuff to you, it's good, it makes things easier for you, but you haven't completely won her yet. That's only the beginning.

[jatt]

Umm, if that's what you think I'm doing, you're way off the mark.

my friend when some girl will truly be in love with you she cant just leave at the drop of hat. she will rather stay even when you dont want her to stay in relationship. Maybe this never happened with you yet.. maybe you are fat or something(sorry)

[jatt]

Yeah, they are called expressions of interest. That is not love. Like I said, a few missteps and you will kill that feeling. When a woman does that stuff to you, it's good, it makes things easier for you, but you haven't completely won her yet. That's only the beginning.

You and me are very differnt person.. To me if some women want me to won her over and showing attitude i wont spit in her direction.

[N1019]

my friend when some girl will truly be in love with you she cant just leave at the drop of hat. she will rather stay even when you dont want her to stay in relationship. Maybe this never happened with you yet.. maybe you are fat or something(sorry)

Ummm... if you think women just instantly fall in love with men whom they just met, you are living in a dream land. What you are talking about is not love. It's interest, it's initial attraction. It can lead to all the behaviours you described.

And it's good to see more ad hominem coming out. Bravo.

[N1019]

You and me are very differnt person.. To me if some women want me to won her over and showing attitude i wont spit in her direction.

What are you talking about? Can you please address my exact words? I never said anything about women wanting to be won over and showing attitude.

[jatt]

Ummm... if you think women just instantly fall in love with men whom they just met, you are living in a dream land. What you are talking about is not love. It's interest, it's initial attraction. It can lead to all the behaviours you described.

And it's good to see more ad hominem coming out. Bravo.

Sorry bro.. My first ever relationship was mini relationship with the hottest girl in our locality.. i was in 9th grade then and she was in 8th ...she showed a bit attitude at first and i lost interest and then it was her who asked my best friend to tell me she wanted to talk with me... every other guy was interest in her if it was so easy for her she could have just ignored me and choose some other dude... .

[N1019]

Sorry bro.. My first ever relationship was mini relationship with the hottest girl in our locality.. i was in 9th grade then and she was in 8th ...she showed a bit attitude at first and i lost interest and then it was her who asked my best friend to tell me she wanted to talk with me... every other guy was interest in her if it was so easy for her she could have just ignored me and choose some other dude... .

That's called demonstrating higher value. See, with attitude, you can neutralise that on the spot if you know how to respond to it. Not engaging with it is another option. Either way, you obviously demonstrated higher value than other men in her vicinity, who must have been falling for her games and showed lower value.

Again, in terms of initial actions, we're still not talking about love here. That comes later.


Your resort to ad hominem in your posts and in your bizarre reputation comment shows your ego is deeply entangled in your words. This should not be personal, so tame your emotions and bear in mind you are not on trial here. Rather, an idea is on trial.

[Vyasa]

Sorry bro.. My first ever relationship was mini relationship with the hottest girl in our locality.. i was in 9th grade then and she was in 8th ...she showed a bit attitude at first and i lost interest and then it was her who asked my best friend to tell me she wanted to talk with me... every other guy was interest in her if it was so easy for her she could have just ignored me and choose some other dude... .

slayer

[War Chef]

You know what works for me a "don't give a fuck" attitude, ,, unfortunately this isn't something you can fake, it's got to be the real deal







:tango:

[Demiurge]

I am secularist to the core, but I am against this God damn lost of values and traditions which I see daily in my own country and I cannot even imagine how is like in Western Europe.

Only religion can prevent a loss of values. Secularism is death to tradition.

[Herr Abubu]

Older women, milfs in their 30's & 40s, are usually more mature than younger women. Easier to deal with and healthier relationships.

These women are milfs—not technically speaking anyway—exactly because they're too immature for lasting relationships. Women at that age are in many ways worse because their habits of rationalizing their personality flaws and bad behaviour have become too crystallized. They also have had more time to take "spiritual baggage" with them.

[crazyladybutterfly]

These women are milfs—not technically speaking anyway—exactly because they're too immature for lasting relationships. .

are you saying long lasting relationships ruin women to the point that only those who don't have them become milfs? thanks for revealing the truth

[Herr Abubu]

are you saying long lasting relationships ruin women to the point that only those who don't have them become milfs? thanks for revealing the truth

No, I am not. Now, take your meds. If you have taken your meds, stop taking them. Either way, you being an idiot who doesn't understand very simple things very likely has to do with your meds.

[crazyladybutterfly]

No, I am not. Now, take your meds. If you have taken your meds, stop taking them. Either way, you being an idiot who doesn't understand very simple things very likely has to do with your meds.

I love you.

[Nikephoros1]

The OP is right to an extent, but there is a far deeper science/metaphysics behind this than the amateur speculations of red-pillers.

Women, while in general being more empathetic and "feeling", are quite incapable of philosophical love for humanity and the "ego-death" which some spiritually advanced male thinkers can achieve, with enough dedications. Males are capable of true impartiality and a more generalized, Christ-like love of all living things. Women cannot seem to do this, but they are however quite capable of loving individual people very strongly, however selfish their motivations might be.

Keep in mind, too, that there are masculine and feminine energies that can be present in individuals of either gender. If you lean too strongly to either pole, you will be inevitably vicious, sinful, or imbalanced in some way. A good balance is key.

I will stipulate, though, that the feminine energy seems more capable of extreme deception and cruelty than the masculine, which tends to not be spiteful so much as power-hungry and hyper-ambitious.

[Nikephoros1]

These women are milfs—not technically speaking anyway—exactly because they're too immature for lasting relationships. Women at that age are in many ways worse because their habits of rationalizing their personality flaws and bad behaviour have become too crystallized. They also have had more time to take "spiritual baggage" with them.

Yes, they don't seem to have that ability to purge their vices through suffering, which is often necessary, like males. They rather avoid suffering and seek comfort to an absurd degree, leading to this "baggage" you speak of.

[Nikephoros1]

I will just say too that I am generalizing and "all women are not like that."

It seems that the modern era, and all its attendant degeneracies, brings out the worst in all of us. Women, under the right circumstances, are just as capable of virtue and purity as men. They must go about it in different ways, though.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

OP, stop being so namby-pamby. Real men don't give a crap about love and feelings, they just want a BJ and a cold beer.

My nigga.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ44b02Anc

[Herr Abubu]

Yes, they don't seem to have that ability to purge their vices through suffering, which is often necessary, like males. They rather avoid suffering and seek comfort to an absurd degree, leading to this "baggage" you speak of.

Men who seek comfort and avoid pain are called effeminate, after all. Western man isn't much less comfort-seeking than Western females, however. Leo Tolstoy's "The Death of Ivan Ilyich" describes the decadent, bourgeois, therefore "Western", man very well. He takes no risks and seeks only comforts, pleasures and social status and tries his best to live a life where he has to avoid the inevitability of death (and, really, the unpredictable nature of life).

[Peterski]

Women are incapable of loving you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g

... and get yourself a womb :D (you no longer need women to pass on your glorious Y-DNA haplogroup to future generations): http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214581-Wombs-for-men&p=4495133&viewfull=1#post4495133

[al-Bosni]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qNxrkBJzHBQ/maxresdefault.jpg

[Ryujin]

A woman loves to be loved.

Ummmmm... Are you sure?

[Porn Master]

who the fuck cares if they love you or not??

[magyar_lány]

Ummmmm... Are you sure?

E. g. I love to be loved it's a normal feeling.

[Ryujin]

E. g. I love to be loved it's a normal feeling.

I highly doubt you would love to be the center of your partner's attention. You might prefer he is committed to something else even more than you (not necessarily a human).

This is just a notion rooted in some observations.

[StonyArabia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0FmGwUDFf0

[magyar_lány]

I highly doubt you would love to be the center of your partner's attention. You might prefer he is committed to something else even more than you (not necessarily a human).

This is just a notion rooted in some observations.

You are right, I wouldn't love to be the center of my partner's attention, it would be a bit suffocating.

[Heather Duval]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0FmGwUDFf0

men cant love
they are all about sex

[Robocop]

Some women are always in pursuit of prince on white horse, and then they find a horse. lol

Those truly lucky sometimes find their prince (such as myself), but we prince-men are few... :cool:

[War Chef]

Some women are always in pursuit of prince on white horse, and then they find a horse. lol

Those truly lucky truly finds their prince (like me), but we are few... :)

Unrealistic expectations set by Hollywood films IMO

Ideal fantasy guy doesn't exist ; )

[magyar_lány]

Some women are always in pursuit of prince on white horse, and then they find a horse. lol

Those truly lucky sometimes find their prince (such as myself), but we prince-men are few... :cool:

Horses are very intelligent and clean animals. Maybe horse is not a bad choice. ;)

[Robocop]

Unrealistic expectations set by Hollywood films IMO

Ideal fantasy guy doesn't exist ; )

Well ideal guy doesnt exist, but there is somethin like ideal couple, means a couple who loves each other positive and negative things about each others.

There is one interesting croatian old song, truly smart one, about woman who finally finds a PERFECT MAN in alternative universe, she was thrown there by some force/God/universe (nevermind how), the point is; she says in song that he has perfect personality, he never lies, he is totally handsom, beautiful, every word of promise what he makes to her; he makes it happen for her, he is kind, gives to her all love she wants she wants, daily, etc... everythin best...everythin she ever dreamed of..., and check this out;

Durin the song she says after some time she couldnt handle that anymore, that perfection, and she asks from that force/God/Universe or whatever to bring her back to our world.

Enough said. :)

[Robocop]

Horses are very intelligent and clean animals. Maybe horse is not a bad choice. ;)

But they are animals, and their animal nature comes out sooner or later :).

[KMack]

Unrealistic expectations set by Hollywood films IMO

Ideal fantasy guy doesn't exist ; )

Yeah stupid romantic comedies.

[Robocop]

If I would have to show a perfect woman (considering personality) towards her man from some movie scene, then I would show this, THIS IS A TRUE WOMAN for her man, and this is ... fucking rare :D:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn26NOoV_lQ

[Crimean]

I'm a beggar by Western standards, and I have nothing to take from me, but my wife loves me. I wonder why?

[Tom Cat]

I'm a beggar by Western standards, and I have nothing to take from me, but my wife loves me. I wonder why?

It is the same for me, even by "Western standards".

My wife and I love each other just for who we are, not for what we have, or for our social status.

We recently enjoyed dinner and drinks with a very beautiful Hungarian model, who argued that just because a woman married a man for ulterior reasons, rather than truly loving her husband just for him, doesn't make her a whore. I just shook my head, looked her right in her sexy eyes, and stated matter-of-factly, "I beg to differ, but yes, it does make her a whore." She didn't like this fact at all. But that's just too damn bad. If the shoe fits, wear it.

[frankhammer]

Some women are always in pursuit of prince on white horse, and then they find a horse. lol

Those truly lucky sometimes find their prince (such as myself), but we prince-men are few... :cool:


Good to see you recognised your sexuality and come out of the closet. I hope you prince-men treat each other well.

[Queen B]

Only men that aren't capable of love, think that women can't love.Projecting too much.
And its obvious from your writings, where your problem is.

[Bobby Martnen]

I've given up on love, but I believe that it is real for other people.

[War Chef]

Only men that aren't capable of love, think that women can't love.Projecting too much.
And its obvious from your writings, where your problem is.

Love is just a chemical thing in the brain though :)

U can barely sleep at night because your brain is cocained up from love

[Tom Cat]

I've given up on love, but I believe that it is real for other people.

Believe me, I've been where you're at. It feels like an empty spot inside; as if something that should be there is missing. But don't ever give up on meeting that special lady, Bobby. And you will know when you meet her that she is the one for you.

Don't let anyone else discourage you either. :)

[Peterski]

but my wife loves me. I wonder why?

You will only find out if she loves you if something bad happens to you (an incapacitating accident, a serious disease, a financial crisis, etc.).

If you want to find out sooner then you can fake and stage some catastrophic situation just to test her.

[Tom Cat]

You will only find out if she loves you if something bad happens to you (an incapacitating accident, a serious disease, a financial crisis, etc.).

If you want to find out sooner then you can fake and stage some catastrophic situation just to test her.

My wife and I have literally saved each other's lives, and have suffered through numerous crisis points in our lives together. Her love for me has proven to be solid as granite.

My little lady perused the OP article, shook her head, walked away, then turned quickly back to ask with tears streaming down her pretty face, "You don't really believe that bullshit, do you?"

No, I sure as hell don't!

It is an absolute insult to women; as if they don't have enough slander to contend with.

[Bobby Martnen]

Believe me, I've been where you're at. It feels like an empty spot inside; as if something that should be there is missing. But don't ever give up on meeting that special lady, Bobby. And you will know when you meet her that she is the one for you.

Don't let anyone else discourage you either. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUjIA7Wirfc

[Crimean]

You will only find out if she loves you if something bad happens to you (an incapacitating accident, a serious disease, a financial crisis, etc.).
We here in Russia live in a permanent financial crisis since 2008. The test is passed.


If you want to find out sooner then you can fake and stage some catastrophic situation just to test her.
My country is conquered by global parasites, now we are a colony, but soon it will end. I think this is a rather catastrophic situation, and this test is also passed.

Any more questions?