Why Jlo is not considered black? She looks darker than Mariah carey to me

[Heather Duval]

and articles and even Mariah sometimes consider herself black
Mariah: In this country I am black!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3EBDD1VjBc

J lo
http://www.prettywighair.com/media/catalog/resized/240x320/w/4/w4456-1.jpg
http://community.fortunecity.ws/tatooine/davros/94/jlo-oscars-hq/bigimages/jlo-oscars-02.jpg

Mariah
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Mariah+Carey+Boards+Swarovski+Fashion+Rocks+zSVfVH VA9YGl.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/MAriah_Carey_2005.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bf/d2/8a/bfd28aa075b5e976b8105f7d266f3c16--mariah-carey-sexy-world-music-awards.jpg

[Heather Duval]

US census is a mess, they put latinos of any race as just hispanics
so I GUESS, she will never be considered mixed, black or whatever but latina

[♥ Lily ♥]

Mariah Carey is biracial as her Irish descent opera-singer mother is white American, and her aeronautical engineer father was black Venezuelan, but I agree that J. Lopez looks darker than Mariah, but she's not dark enough to be considered as black. She's not pale either.... she's more of a dark tan colour.

[Heather Duval]

Mariah Carey is biracial as her Irish descent opera-singer mother is white American, and her aeronautical engineer father was black Venezuelan.
http://www.heroesofmariah.com/mcboltonbennett1992.jpg
Mariah Carey in 1990: Critics Loved Her, Thought She Was White

When Mariah Carey entered the music world via her blockbuster self-titled debut in 1990, many critics hailed her practically peerless voice and parade of No. 1 hits. Some were less enthused, however, praising her technical talents but opining she needed to develop a more distinct musical approach.

Whether critics were right about Carey's style circa 1990 is a matter for discussion, but one prevalent viewpoint espoused by several writers 25 years ago is just plain wrong.

Namely, that Mariah Carey is white.

As (hopefully) everyone knows at this point, Mariah Carey is not white -- or perhaps more specifically, she's not just white. She's African-American and Venezuelan on her father's side and white Irish on her mother's. But publications from Los Angeles Daily News to Playboy to the Herald Sun described her as "white" throughout 1990, an error that at least two publications (New York Post and USA Today) wrote to correct.



In an article from Dec. 6, 1990, Australia's Herald Sun described Carey as "the new white U.S. soul singer with a reputed eight-octave range." That's wrong on two counts: Aside from not being white, Carey's range is five octaves.

An article from the Los Angeles Daily News (picked up in the Nov. 8 edition of the Chicago Tribune) made the same mistake. The article is primarily about Billboard changing the name of its Hot Black Singles chart to Hot R&B Singles (the chart is now called Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs), but it erroneously mentions Carey as white in a one-off example. "The term 'black music' also has caused confusion when it includes releases by white artists. This week, Mariah Carey's debut album is high on the chart and, in past years, George Michael has had the No. 1 album on the chart," the article reads. (Incidentally, Michael's father was a Greek Cypriot, which many would argue isn't white.)

After Playboy ran an article about Carey in 1990 that described her as a "white girl who can sing," reports surfaced via New York Post that she was furious with the writer of the piece. Shortly after, a spokesperson for Carey set the record straight to USA Today.

"Mariah Carey's anger over a racial comment was blown out of proportion, says spokeswoman Judy Womack at Columbia Records," reads the Nov. 20, 1990, USA Today article. "Friday, the New York Post reported that Carey was ready to 'sock [black music critic] Nelson George' because he called her a 'white girl who can sing' in his Playboy review of her self-titled album.... 'My father was very upset,' [Carey said]. 'It seems that most people don't know much about interracial children.' Womack says the quote was taken out of context, and that Carey and George are friends."

The New York Times, at least, got one big thing right about Mariah at the outset of her career. In a Dec. 26 year-end roundup piece, The Times noted that "the 20-year-old singer, who bears a marked vocal resemblance to Whitney Houston, [shows] the kind of talent that could have real commercial staying power."
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/6699720/mariah-carey-1990-critics-white

[Heather Duval]

"I sound black, but i look white. I'll blow Whitney out of sight!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTcvS33BsJg

[♥ Lily ♥]

http://www.heroesofmariah.com/mcboltonbennett1992.jpg
Mariah Carey in 1990: Critics Loved Her, Thought She Was White

When Mariah Carey entered the music world via her blockbuster self-titled debut in 1990, many critics hailed her practically peerless voice and parade of No. 1 hits. Some were less enthused, however, praising her technical talents but opining she needed to develop a more distinct musical approach.

Whether critics were right about Carey's style circa 1990 is a matter for discussion, but one prevalent viewpoint espoused by several writers 25 years ago is just plain wrong.

Namely, that Mariah Carey is white.

As (hopefully) everyone knows at this point, Mariah Carey is not white -- or perhaps more specifically, she's not just white. She's African-American and Venezuelan on her father's side and white Irish on her mother's. But publications from Los Angeles Daily News to Playboy to the Herald Sun described her as "white" throughout 1990, an error that at least two publications (New York Post and USA Today) wrote to correct.



In an article from Dec. 6, 1990, Australia's Herald Sun described Carey as "the new white U.S. soul singer with a reputed eight-octave range." That's wrong on two counts: Aside from not being white, Carey's range is five octaves.

An article from the Los Angeles Daily News (picked up in the Nov. 8 edition of the Chicago Tribune) made the same mistake. The article is primarily about Billboard changing the name of its Hot Black Singles chart to Hot R&B Singles (the chart is now called Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs), but it erroneously mentions Carey as white in a one-off example. "The term 'black music' also has caused confusion when it includes releases by white artists. This week, Mariah Carey's debut album is high on the chart and, in past years, George Michael has had the No. 1 album on the chart," the article reads. (Incidentally, Michael's father was a Greek Cypriot, which many would argue isn't white.)

After Playboy ran an article about Carey in 1990 that described her as a "white girl who can sing," reports surfaced via New York Post that she was furious with the writer of the piece. Shortly after, a spokesperson for Carey set the record straight to USA Today.

"Mariah Carey's anger over a racial comment was blown out of proportion, says spokeswoman Judy Womack at Columbia Records," reads the Nov. 20, 1990, USA Today article. "Friday, the New York Post reported that Carey was ready to 'sock [black music critic] Nelson George' because he called her a 'white girl who can sing' in his Playboy review of her self-titled album.... 'My father was very upset,' [Carey said]. 'It seems that most people don't know much about interracial children.' Womack says the quote was taken out of context, and that Carey and George are friends."

The New York Times, at least, got one big thing right about Mariah at the outset of her career. In a Dec. 26 year-end roundup piece, The Times noted that "the 20-year-old singer, who bears a marked vocal resemblance to Whitney Houston, [shows] the kind of talent that could have real commercial staying power."
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/6699720/mariah-carey-1990-critics-white

Mariah's opera-singer mother said her family moved to a home in a quiet and affluent neighbourhood, but they had to move home several times due to a gunshot fired through their house by abusive racist criminals, and sick people also poisoned their pet dog which is cruel and evil animal abuse. (This happened in a different era of time and not in the modern generation.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNnyGcVk0Oo

[Heather Duval]

Mariah's opera-singer mother said her family moved to a home in a quiet and affluent neighbourhood, but they had to move home several times due to a gunshot fired through their house by abusive racist criminals, and they also poisoned their pet dog which is sick animal abuse. (This happened in a different era of time and not in the modern generation.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNnyGcVk0Oo
Prob because of Mariah's father living with her. Mariah said here: When I was with my mother I was seen as white, and when I was with my father I was black

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YydF8C0mFVA

[Sikeliot]

Mariah is 1/4 African American, 1/4 Cuban (not Afro-Cuban as far as I know) and half Irish.
Jennifer Lopez has a white Puerto Rican father and a mulatta mother.

so their African amount could be close.

[Heather Duval]

Mariah is 1/4 African American, 1/4 Cuban (not Afro-Cuban as far as I know) and half Irish.
Jennifer Lopez has a white Puerto Rican father and a mulatta mother.

so their African amount could be close.

Plus Jlo never mistaked for white, but Mariah

[Lux Aeterna]

No spray tan, no make up/fake up, no photoshop, Lopez naturelle:

https://s9.postimg.org/jnny9iy2n/jlonatural.jpg

https://s12.postimg.org/s9ajhksp9/Jennifer_Lopez-natural.jpg


God damn, I feel dirty for participating in one of your threads...:stop

[Heather Duval]

No spray tan, no make up/fake up, no photoshop, Lopez naturelle:

https://s9.postimg.org/jnny9iy2n/jlonatural.jpg

https://s12.postimg.org/s9ajhksp9/Jennifer_Lopez-natural.jpg


God damn, I feel dirty for participating in one of these threads...:stop

Mariah still lighter
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ae/ae/da/aeaedabf6508cae8604feb2931c73595.jpg

[Heather Duval]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/91/27/9a/91279a05f278c6e240aa8b6166817509--mariah-carey-christmas-album-mariah-carey-s.jpg
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/news/news-00101125-james-packer-mariah-carey-having-romantic-getaway.jpg
Mariah looks more European than J lo lol

[Bonpal]

i always thought she was part native, mestiza.

[Ziveth]

She looks mixed race, not "pure" black African. Probably she is mestiza/mulatto.

[Carlito's Way]

black americans claim her as afro puerto rican because of her body

[Heather Duval]

black americans claim her as afro puerto rican because of her body

lol i think she is just tri racial but yes her body shows ssa

[Carlito's Way]

lol i think she is just tri racial but yes her body shows ssa

ive seen them claim shes afro-puerto rican on mediatakeout, and that her body is due to SSA ancestry

[Heather Duval]

ive seen them claim shes afro-puerto rican on mediatakeout, and that her body is due to SSA ancestry

i didnt knew puerto ricans were tri racials since 2015
i used to think her ass were fake

[Carlito's Way]

i didnt knew puerto ricans were tri racials since 2015
i used to think her ass were fake

what did you think puerto ricans were? mulatto?

[Heather Duval]

what did you think puerto ricans were? mulatto?

latinos as race

[Sikeliot]

Lopez is indeed partly African but "Afro Latina" would imply predominantly and she is not.

[Heather Duval]

Lopez is indeed partly African but "Afro Latina" would imply predominantly and she is not.

xtina milian

[Sikeliot]

xtina milian

Yes. Lopez is obviously admixed but Milian is actually perceptibly "black" such that people would see her and define her racially as a black woman without question.

[Norse]

Imo she is darker than Stacey Dash

[Bonpal]

ive never seen it said anywhere that her mother was mulatta. why does everyone keep implying shes part black. she looks part native.

[Carlito's Way]

ive never seen it said anywhere that her mother was mulatta. why does everyone keep implying shes part black. she looks part native.

i use to think she was mexican, along with other mexicans in California, she passes in Mexico with no problem

[Mortimer]

everyone has right to self-identification, i dont buy into the one drop rule etc. i dont consider dominicanese black because he said a few times that he doesnt consider himself black. and thats what i respect, he is only 25% black and and he doesnt consider himself to be.

[JohnSmith]

and articles and even Mariah sometimes consider herself black
Mariah: In this country I am black!



You know it is not just skin color that matters. Mariah's facial structure looks more African than JLO,, if anything JLo looks Korean.

[Heather Duval]

ive never seen it said anywhere that her mother was mulatta. why does everyone keep implying shes part black. she looks part native.

she doesnt loook mestiza, she looks tri racial

[Heather Duval]

You know it is not just skin color that matters. Mariah's facial structure looks more African than JLO,, if anything JLo looks Korean.

how come mariah looks more african than j lo if mariah was mistaked for white many time in the 90s but jlo never?

"I sound black, but i look white. I'll blow Whitney out of sight!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTcvS33BsJg
^ this was from 1991, probably snl

Mariah Carey in 1990: Critics Loved Her, Thought She Was White
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/6699720/mariah-carey-1990-critics-white

[Heather Duval]

everyone has right to self-identification, i dont buy into the one drop rule etc. i dont consider dominicanese black because he said a few times that he doesnt consider himself black. and thats what i respect, he is only 25% black and and he doesnt consider himself to be.

he actually said to be white in a thread and thats insane makes he looks mixed as fuck
lol

[Survivor]

It's because Jlo is more associated with Latino culture. Mariah Carey would also be considered "Latina" or part latina if she sang in Spanish and claimed her Venezuelan heritage more often.

[Heather Duval]

It's because Jlo is more associated with Latino culture. Mariah Carey would also be considered "Latina" or part latina if she sang in Spanish and claimed her Venezuelan heritage more often.

if mariah had spanish last name she would be considered latina

[Bonpal]

she doesnt loook mestiza, she looks tri racial

i bet a lot of people dont think of her as tri racial at all. if you didnt know you might say mexican.

[Survivor]

if mariah had spanish last name she would be considered latina

Exactly. If you are mixed race and have an Iberian name/surname, you are automatically assumed to be latino.

[Heather Duval]

i bet a lot of people dont think of her as tri racial at all. if you didnt know you might say mexican.

not, yahoo questions is full of " is j lo part black? because her ass is big"
she doesnt look too mexican

[Bonpal]

if mariah had spanish last name she would be considered latina

everyone knows shes part black.

[Heather Duval]

everyone knows shes part black.

jlo is also clearly part black...

[Heather Duval]

Exactly. If you are mixed race and have an Iberian name/surname, you are automatically assumed to be latino.

mariah its only considered " black" because she has anglo surname and has speak out about her black part

[Bonpal]

not, yahoo questions is full of " is j lo part black? because her ass is big"
she doesnt look too mexican

not everyone with a big ass is part black.

[Heather Duval]

not everyone with a big ass is part black.

big ass
curly hair
mixed traits
and being puerto rican, yes she is tri racial
she doesnt look average mexican at all lol
Puerto rican on 23andme
http://i41.tinypic.com/1zyv9sn.jpg

[Bonpal]

jlo is also clearly part black...

nope..shes not "clearly part black". many people would say.

[Heather Duval]

all puerto ricans on 23andme scored relevant SSA
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?109917-Puerto-Rican-23andme-Results
j lo would not be different and she shows traits

[Bonpal]

mariah its only considered " black" because she has anglo surname and has speak out about her black part

yes of course. thats how everyone knows that shes part black. she told everyone.

[Heather Duval]

yes of course. thats how everyone knows that shes part black. she told everyone.

actually latinos like puerto ricans that are mixed with blacks dont go around saying they are part black but only latino
they are in the latino culture/race
if mariah had spanish surname she would say and considered latina

[Heather Duval]

nope..shes not "clearly part black". many people would say.

you dont know anything about being part black or mexican
she doesnt look typical mexican with that dark traits
and also her body is african shaped
puerto ricans are tri racials and all of them scored in average more than 8% SSA on 23andme, its a fact

[Bonpal]

you dont know anything about being part black or mexican
she doesnt look typical mexican with that dark traits
and also her body is african shaped
puerto ricans are tri racials and all of them scored in average more than 8% SSA on 23andme, its a fact

you seem obsessed with associating latina with black. many people dont think that way. normal people dont read admixture results tests.

[Mortimer]

he actually said to be white in a thread and thats insane makes he looks mixed as fuck
lol

I have no problem when he says he is white he is mixed but more white then black he probably wont be seen as white by everyone but a minority like me might accept it

[Heather Duval]

you seem obsessed with associating latina with black. many people dont think that way. normal people dont read admixture results tests.

not
latina doesnt mean black
becky g is latina and doesnt look part black, but j lo did to a lot of people and she really is because puerto ricans are tri racials genetically

[Bonpal]

not
latina doesnt mean black
becky g is latina and doesnt look part black, but j lo did to a lot of people and she really is because puerto ricans are tri racials genetically

know one knows if shes part black. your just saying that. your using a stereotype.

becky g can pass for white. jlo has asian look that reminds of native ancestry. what her real ancestry is i dont know.

[Heather Duval]

know one knows if shes part black. your just saying that. your using a stereotype.

and i wouldnt be surprised if j lo scored more SSA than mariah
since she is puerto rican and got bigger ass than mariah, and her hair is also more curly

[Bonpal]

and i wouldnt be surprised if j lo scored more SSA than mariah
since she is puerto rican and got bigger ass than mariah, and her hair is also more curly

people think she looks korean.

[Heather Duval]

becky g
no, she doesnt look white. she looks mexican, jlo not too much
you clearly proved here you dont know anything about mexican looking.
http://image.iheart.com/images/rovi/1080/0003/678/MI0003678042.jpg
https://studiosol-a.akamaihd.net/uploadfile/letras/fotos/e/1/a/8/e1a869971c889dba866d7132ca548a0c.jpg

[Survivor]

people think she looks korean.

Lol. Never heard anyone say that.

[Heather Duval]

people think she looks korean.

people = you
most answers about her ethnicity is wondering if she is half white half black
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110920201551AA0N4kl

[Heather Duval]

Lol. Never heard anyone say that.

he is dumb as fuck, even trolling.

[Isleño]

Because she is seen as "Hispanic" and also because she's mostly European so her phenotype is that of a European dominant triracial instead of a black person.

This category Hispanic is foolish. Hispanic really means Iberian, but the US has taken that word and created a category around it to include any spanish speaker of any race. However, most Hispanics in the US do have Iberian ancestry so there could be a connection to the original definition, but Iberian ancestry is not the determining factor of Hispanicity to Americans. It's Spanish-language culture/heritage, or even mestizo-looking people. It is what it is.

On top of that, most Americans see Hispanic as a race (because of the large amount of mestizos in the USA), but at the same time, the government acknowledges it's not a race, confusing the issue further. It's a big cluster fuck this Hispanic category in the US. For anyone to think the rapper Pitbull and baseball player David Ortiz is the same race as George Lopez is beyond me. But that's just it, most Americans see George Lopez the default Hispanic rather than Pitbull or David Ortiz. But then you have Hispanics that are not mestizo fighting any idea that Hispanic=mestizo. It's a mess.

[Bonpal]

i use to think she was mexican, along with other mexicans in California, she passes in Mexico with no problem


You know it is not just skin color that matters. Mariah's facial structure looks more African than JLO,, if anything JLo looks Korean.


people = you
most answers about her ethnicity is wondering if she is half white half black

lotsa people think otherwise.

[Heather Duval]

Because she is seen as "Hispanic" and also because she's mostly European so her phenotype is that of a European dominant triracial instead of a black person.

This category Hispanic is foolish. Hispanic really means Iberian, but the US has taken that word and created a category around it to include any spanish speaker of any race. However, most Hispanics in the US do have Iberian ancestry so there could be a connection to the original definition, but Iberian ancestry is not the determining factor of Hispanicity to Americans. It's Spanish-language culture/heritage, or even mestizo-looking people. It is what it is.

On top of that, most Americans see Hispanic as a race (because of the large amount of mestizos in the USA), but at the same time, the government acknowledges it's not a race, confusing the issue further. It's a big cluster fuck this Hispanic category in the US. For anyone to think the rapper Pitbull and baseball player David Ortiz is the same race as George Lopez is beyond me. But that's just it, most Americans see George Lopez the default Hispanic rather than Pitbull or David Ortiz. But then you have Hispanics that are not mestizo fighting any idea that Hispanic=mestizo. It's a mess.

Mariah looks lighter to Americans than J lo did. Jlo has never been mistaken for white but Mariah a lot in the past. Parody from 1991
"I sound black, but i look white. I'll blow Whitney out of sight!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTcvS33BsJg

also

After Playboy ran an article about Carey in 1990 that described her as a "white girl who can sing," reports surfaced via New York Post that she was furious with the writer of the piece. Shortly after, a spokesperson for Carey set the record straight to USA Today.

"Mariah Carey's anger over a racial comment was blown out of proportion, says spokeswoman Judy Womack at Columbia Records," reads the Nov. 20, 1990, USA Today article. "Friday, the New York Post reported that Carey was ready to 'sock [black music critic] Nelson George' because he called her a 'white girl who can sing' in his Playboy review of her self-titled album.... 'My father was very upset,' [Carey said]. 'It seems that most people don't know much about interracial children.' Womack says the quote was taken out of context, and that Carey and George are friends."

[Heather Duval]

lotsa people think otherwise.

jlo still being mistake for half white half black by a lot of people :lol:
being korean is something new to me, not surprised juding by your low iq posts

[Heather Duval]

congrats for take johnsmith as a relevant opinion
one of the most dumb users from this forum along with you that dont know anything about mexicans and thinks becky g looks white with this look
http://image.iheart.com/images/rovi/1080/0003/678/MI0003678042.jpg

[Heather Duval]

also probably never saw any korean in your life to say such stupid thing
but let me tell you
i live in brazil and j lo looks like our average tri racial person, and she also looks what she is: puerto rican
and puerto r icans = tri racials

[Bonpal]

jlo still being mistake for half white half black by a lot of people :lol:
being korean is something new to me, not surprised juding by your low iq posts

i never said she looks korean, someone else did as well as mexican. your just butthurt now. she has an asian look that people associate with native.

[Heather Duval]

i never said she looks korean, someone else did as well as mexican. your just butthurt now. she has an asian look that people associate with native.

she got a lot of mixed traits, she is tri racial.

[Tukhara]

Doesn't matter. Her ass is amazing.

[JohnSmith]

congrats for take johnsmith as a relevant opinion
one of the most dumb users from this forum along with you that dont know anything about mexicans and thinks becky g looks white with this look
]

Do not put words in my mouth. You act a fool.