Genetic Comparison of Yamnaya and Modern Peoples

[AndarKhan]

A table which prepared by using Eurogenes Steppe K10
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IE_wm1.jpg
Blue ones are Indo-Europeans
Green ones are Non Indo-Europeans

[Kamal900]

Nothing unusual considering that Slavs, Balts and north Caucasians are genetically the most similar to the early PIE peoples of eastern Europe. Turks have more because they have significant Turkic admixture who were already mixed with the Indo-European peoples of central and north Asia in ancient times.

[AndarKhan]

Nothing unusual considering that Slavs, Balts and north Caucasians are genetically the most similar to the early PIE peoples of eastern Europe. Turks have more because they have significant Turkic admixture who were already mixed with the Indo-European peoples of central and north Asia in ancient times.
Results of Caucasians and finno-Ugrics are very similiar to yamnaya. That's interesting. Also results of slavics and results of caucasian/nortwest Turks are alike. Results of other indo-europeans and results of other turks are alike too. All Results are very interesting. I red some theories about yamnaya. Populer ones say they were pie, other ones say they were proto-turkic.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Udmurts and Mordvins beat out Lithuanians. Unsurprising as those populations still actually have Yamnaya specific R1b clades.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0OwDfEPd2dk/VQPsWjEAsTI/AAAAAAAACIc/SRTAekwZVbA/w480-h232-no/EU_K6_small.png

[Pahli]

This is what one yamnaya sample looks like, 4500 years ago:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 57.84
2 West_Asia 32.53
3 South_Asia 4.32
4 Americas 3.15
5 SW_Europe 1.53
6 East_Africa 0.64

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovian 28.97
2 Russian 29.86
3 Tatar 30.24
4 Chuvash 31.6
5 Polish 31.66
6 Latvian 32.3
7 Finnish 32.43
8 Belarusian 32.52
9 Lithuanian 32.67
10 Ukrainian 32.8
11 Estonian 32.81
12 Aluet 34.46
13 Slovak 34.67
14 Moldavian 34.68
15 German_North 36.02
16 Slovene 36.24
17 Chechen 36.3
18 Swedish 36.84
19 Norwegian 36.97
20 Bosnian 37.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.9% Finnish + 41.1% Afghan_Pashtun @ 19.02
2 64.5% Finnish + 35.5% Makrani @ 19.17
3 61.2% Finnish + 38.8% Pathan @ 19.34
4 64.5% Finnish + 35.5% Balochi @ 19.38
5 65.3% Finnish + 34.7% Brahui @ 19.43
6 60.7% Finnish + 39.3% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 19.53
7 54.2% Finnish + 45.8% Chechen @ 19.58
8 65.3% Finnish + 34.7% Punjabi @ 20.27
9 55.8% Finnish + 44.2% Tadjik @ 20.4
10 59.6% Latvian + 40.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 20.63

[Myanthropologies]

Petty sure that isn't accurate and that it went based off of the amount of a certain component those pops had.

[Kamal900]

Results of Caucasians and finno-Ugrics are very similiar to yamnaya. That's interesting. Also results of slavics and results of caucasian/nortwest Turks are alike. Results of other indo-europeans and results of other turks are alike too. All Results are very interesting. I red some theories about yamnaya. Populer ones say they were pie, other ones say they were proto-turkic.

They were most certainly PIE peoples and not proto-Turkic peoples since that Turkic peoples originated in today's Mongolia and southern Siberia, and all Turkic peoples share some IBD segments with Mongols and other Mongoloid peoples of east Asia:
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1005068

The PIE peoples were genetically very North-Eastern Europeans.

[AndarKhan]

They were most certainly PIE peoples and not proto-Turkic peoples since that Turkic peoples originated in today's Mongolia and southern Siberia, and all Turkic peoples share some IBD segments with Mongols and other Mongoloid peoples of east Asia:
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1005068

The PIE peoples were genetically very North-Eastern Europeans.

Not only Mongolia actually. If we say middle asian steppes it would be better. Also Turkish historians accept origin of Turks is Andronovo and Afanasevo.
https://historyofiranpodcast.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/bc3500_andronovoafanasevo_culture.gif

[Peterski]

Estonians are genetically Indo-European, they just speak a Non-IE language.

[Kamal900]

Not only Mongolia actually. If we say middle asian steppes it would be better. Also Turkish historians accept origin of Turks is Andronovo and Afanasevo.
https://historyofiranpodcast.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/bc3500_andronovoafanasevo_culture.gif

Really? What about the scientific consensus and the academia of the world? Turkish historians are often lie for nationalistic purposes against the peoples they hate, so they are far from accurate and etc. Turkic peoples originated in today's Mongolia and Siberia, and they got their west Eurasian admixture from the ancient PIE groups of Asia, not the other way around.

[Peterski]

I'm not sure if Steppe K10 is reliable. Polako created another calculator, Yamnaya K6:

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/48299-West-Eurasian-ancient-DNA-on-modern-populations-(PCA-plot)?p=1303153&viewfull=1#post1303153

Yamnaya K6 spreadsheets:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/03/yamnaya-related-ancestry-proportions-in.html

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0FIshJWvB_WEkxZmBwuV21gQ7fAnsKyCm0XNU2TzH0/pubhtml

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fKE6hbeXUWYEUZIBiU8QKIktHmNNC5NE4wJk3NsTuyY/edit#gid=1448840466


The first two dimensions of this PCA won't tell you that.

Yamnaya-related admixture across Northern Europe and in South Central Asia is around 50%, give or take a few per cent depending on the methods used.

To figure out who has a few per cent more than the rest you'd need to run models based on formal stats. But it'd be pretty close all the way from Ireland to Tajikistan, and probably with no really significant peaks considering the error margins.

This map is based on Yamnaya K6:

http://i.imgur.com/MgG2TyN.png

[Rethel]

Udmurts and Mordvins beat out Lithuanians. Unsurprising as those populations still actually have Yamnaya specific R1b clades.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0OwDfEPd2dk/VQPsWjEAsTI/AAAAAAAACIc/SRTAekwZVbA/w480-h232-no/EU_K6_small.png

Unvisible... :pout:


This map is based on Yamnaya K6:
http://i.imgur.com/MgG2TyN.png

30-50% of it - now you know, where whitness come form...

[AndarKhan]

Really? What about the scientific consensus and the academia of the world? Turkish historians are often lie for nationalistic purposes against the peoples they hate, so they are far from accurate and etc. Turkic peoples originated in today's Mongolia and Siberia, and they got their west Eurasian admixture from the ancient PIE groups of Asia, not the other way around.
Only European historians lie for support their indo-european fantasies.

[Pahli]

Really? What about the scientific consensus and the academia of the world? Turkish historians are often lie for nationalistic purposes against the peoples they hate, so they are far from accurate and etc. Turkic peoples originated in today's Mongolia and Siberia, and they got their west Eurasian admixture from the ancient PIE groups of Asia, not the other way around.

Why do you try to argue with these Turko-retarded pseudo-scientists.

Turkish historians probably accept the Nordic origin of the Turks lmfao.

[AndarKhan]

Why do you try to argue with these Turko-retarded pseudo-scientists.

Turkish historians probably accept the Nordic origin of the Turks lmfao.

Turko-retrded pseudo-scientists??? Did you say that for Prof. Dr. İbrahim Kafesoğlu, Prof. Dr. Ahmet Taşağıl etc.
Only you are pseudo-scientists. You try to show all peoples as indo-european. That's pseudo-science.

[Pahli]

Turko-retrded pseudo-scientists??? Did you say that for Prof. Dr. İbrahim Kafesoğlu, Prof. Dr. Ahmet Taşağıl etc.
Only you are pseudo-scientists. You try to show all peoples as indo-european. That's pseudo-science.

Yes I said that. OSD = Obsessive Scythian Disorder, fits you Siktirlar Turks well :lol:

These people resemble nothing but Asians, open your eyes:

http://sumay.mysite.syr.edu/AltaiWeb/Altaians.jpg

[AndarKhan]

Yes I said that. OSD = Obsessive Scythian Disorder, fits you Siktirlar Turks well :lol:

These people resemble nothing but Asians, open your eyes:

http://sumay.mysite.syr.edu/AltaiWeb/Altaians.jpg
Ok. Keep living at your indo-iranian dreams. :d

[Pahli]

Ok. Keep living at your indo-iranian dreams. :d

Turk logic:

http://sumay.mysite.syr.edu/AltaiWeb/Altaians.jpg

=

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/76/f5/bc76f5880c14f90173d2685487af707a--beautiful-men-warriors.jpg

Sure, I'm dreaming :(

[AndarKhan]

Turk logic:

http://sumay.mysite.syr.edu/AltaiWeb/Altaians.jpg

=

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/76/f5/bc76f5880c14f90173d2685487af707a--beautiful-men-warriors.jpg

Sure, I'm dreaming :(
Pazyryk examples etc. are dominantly mongoloid. :d

[Harkonnen]

Estonians are genetically Indo-European, they just speak a Non-IE language.

This is the kind of lie that can only come from Polish mouth.

At most you could claim that they could have fairly substantial ancestry component that is obviously similar to Yamna, but still most of their ancestry would be non-Indo-European.

I'm still fairly positive that the Yamna ancestry in Finns must be almost non-existant.

[AndarKhan]

Also, Iranic logic:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/76/f5/bc76f5880c14f90173d2685487af707a--beautiful-men-warriors.jpg
=
https://gdb.rferl.org/1EBB52FF-70C3-4389-A487-B7AEC726FBC8_mw1024_s_n.jpg
Lol :d

[Ülev]

Also, Iranic logic:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/76/f5/bc76f5880c14f90173d2685487af707a--beautiful-men-warriors.jpg



who painted that picture and in which year? 2000? 1998?

lol

[JMack]

Also, Iranic logic:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/76/f5/bc76f5880c14f90173d2685487af707a--beautiful-men-warriors.jpg
=
https://gdb.rferl.org/1EBB52FF-70C3-4389-A487-B7AEC726FBC8_mw1024_s_n.jpg
Lol :d

They actually closer than with these Asians. Both are Caucasoid.

[AndarKhan]

They actually closer than with these Asians. Both are Caucasoid.

Turks are NOT only mongoloid :d

[Pahli]

Turks are NOT only mongoloid :d

They were and thats the point. Caucasoid admixture in Turks is because of Iranians (Both Persians, but also Central Asian), Finno-Ugric, Scythian ...

I never said any Persians were close to Scythians you delusional dimwit, I said they weren't close to any of your kind with the exception of Tatars and the Tatars themselves are basically Turkified Finno-Ugrics.

[Kelmendasi]

Scythians were Indo-Europeans/Iranians genetically and linguistically, this is a proven fact. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

[Pahli]

Scythians were Indo-Europeans/Iranians genetically and linguistically, this is a proven fact. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

INDO-EUROPEAN LIES, OROSPU COCUGU

[AndarKhan]

They were and thats the point. Caucasoid admixture in Turks is because of Iranians (Both Persians, but also Central Asian), Finno-Ugric, Scythian ...

I never said any Persians were close to Scythians you delusional dimwit, I said they weren't close to any of your kind with the exception of Tatars and the Tatars themselves are basically Turkified Finno-Ugrics.
Hahah
ok, every people turkified.

[Wrong]

I'm not sure if Steppe K10 is reliable. Polako created another calculator, Yamnaya K6:

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/48299-West-Eurasian-ancient-DNA-on-modern-populations-(PCA-plot)?p=1303153&viewfull=1#post1303153

Yamnaya K6 spreadsheets:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/03/yamnaya-related-ancestry-proportions-in.html

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0FIshJWvB_WEkxZmBwuV21gQ7fAnsKyCm0XNU2TzH0/pubhtml

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fKE6hbeXUWYEUZIBiU8QKIktHmNNC5NE4wJk3NsTuyY/edit#gid=1448840466



This map is based on Yamnaya K6:

http://i.imgur.com/MgG2TyN.png
Are the Yamnaya K6 files available for download?

[Pahli]

Hahah
ok, every people turkified.

Modern Iranians are also mostly Iranized lol, we have pre-Central Asian samples of Indo-Iranians and they are miles away from modern Indo-Iranians, the same goes for a lot of Turks, pre-Andronovan Turks were predominantly of Siberian stock but those are now found in North East Asia (possible migration or displacement) and most Turks in Western Siberia / West Asia are nothing alike them.

[AndarKhan]

Modern Iranians are also mostly Iranized lol, we have pre-Central Asian samples of Indo-Iranians and they are miles away from modern Indo-Iranians, the same goes for a lot of Turks, pre-Andronovan Turks were predominantly of Siberian stock but those are now found in North East Asia (possible migration or displacement) and most Turks in Western Siberia / West Asia are nothing alike them.
Actually, old altai theories are discredited. Proto-Turks were NOT coming from same root as Mongolians. Also, old Turks were mixation of Mongoloids and Caucasoids. Not only mongoloids. But many Turkic groups mixed Mongols.

[Babak]

Also, Iranic logic:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/76/f5/bc76f5880c14f90173d2685487af707a--beautiful-men-warriors.jpg
=
https://gdb.rferl.org/1EBB52FF-70C3-4389-A487-B7AEC726FBC8_mw1024_s_n.jpg
Lol :d

Ever heard of assimilation? It happened literally all over the world.

[Pahli]

Actually, old altai theories are discredited. Proto-Turks were NOT coming from same root as Mongolians. Also, old Turks were mixation of Mongoloids and Caucasoids. Not only mongoloids.

I didn't say that. I said they were Siberian, Mongolians were not Siberian but dominantly East Asia (Now they are mixed however). And who spoke Proto-Turkic? Obviously the Turkic people of Siberian stock. Turkic language existed before and after the arrival of the Andronovan culture, the mix of Mongoloid and Caucasoid didn't change the language, it remained with the people. Looking at today, they are mixed with various Iranic, Anatolian and Finno-Ugric people and assimilated them.

Just like the ancient Indo-Iranians were dominantly Caucasoid, the ancient Turks were as well dominantly Mongoloid. I don't understand you fucking Turks sometimes, some of you praise the shit out of the Mongoloid blood, others are trying to marginalize it and claim Scytho-Sarmatian ancestry instead :lol:

[Babak]

I didn't say that. I said they were Siberian, Mongolians were not Siberian but dominantly East Asia (Now they are mixed however). And who spoke Proto-Turkic? Obviously the Turkic people of Siberian stock. Turkic language existed before and after the arrival of the Andronovan culture, the mix of Mongoloid and Caucasoid didn't change the language, it remained with the people. Looking at today, they are mixed with various Iranic, Anatolian and Finno-Ugric people and assimilated them.

Just like the ancient Indo-Iranians were dominantly Caucasoid, the ancient Turks were as well dominantly Mongoloid. I don't understand you fucking Turks sometimes, some of you praise the shit out of the Mongoloid blood, others are trying to marginalize it and claim Scytho-Sarmatian ancestry instead :lol:

Assimilation is a beautiful thing

[AndarKhan]

I didn't say that. I said they were Siberian, Mongolians were not Siberian but dominantly East Asia (Now they are mixed however). And who spoke Proto-Turkic? Obviously the Turkic people of Siberian stock. Turkic language existed before and after the arrival of the Andronovan culture, the mix of Mongoloid and Caucasoid didn't change the language, it remained with the people. Looking at today, they are mixed with various Iranic, Anatolian and Finno-Ugric people and assimilated them.

Just like the ancient Indo-Iranians were dominantly Caucasoid, the ancient Turks were as well dominantly Mongoloid. I don't understand you fucking Turks sometimes, some of you praise the shit out of the Mongoloid blood, others are trying to marginalize it and claim Scytho-Sarmatian ancestry instead :lol:
I think we can't say old Turks were dominantly mongoloid. They had mongoloid stock yes but they had caucasoid stock too. And we can't say this stock coming from indo-europeans or finno-ugrics either.

[Pahli]

I think we can't say old Turks were dominantly mongoloid. They had mongoloid stock yes but they had caucasoid stock too. And we can't say this stock coming from indo-europeans or finno-ugrics either.

Yes they did, they analyzed pre-Andronovan Altaians and they were Siberian Mongoloid, only afterwards they became mixed with Caucasoid, and it is very likely Indo-Iranian admixture they had because Turks have decent amount of West Asian admixture too.

[AndarKhan]

Yes they did, they analyzed pre-Andronovan Altaians and they were Siberian Mongoloid, only afterwards they became mixed with Caucasoid, and it is very likely Indo-Iranian admixture they had because Turks have decent amount of West Asian admixture too.

Actually, they didn't. We have examples from krasnoyarsk area. They were mostly Caucasoid(R1a) other ones mongoloid(C). Results of old Turks are R1a, Q, C.

[Dick]

Actually, they didn't. We have examples from krasnoyarsk area. They were mostly Caucasoid(R1a) other ones mongoloid(C). Results of old Turks are R1a, Q, C.

What subclade of C and why would that be mong? Haplogroup C used to be more popular in Europe than I, probably neanderthal.

[Leto]

and the Tatars themselves are basically Turkified Finno-Ugrics.
Hm. We don't know what race the Bulgars were when they arrived in the Volga region. I believe they weren't like modern Buryats and Tuvans, but much more mixed with Caucasoids. Chuvash people are the direct descendants of Volga Bulgars and they are like 20-25% East Asian, mainly Siberian. The rest is mostly Northeast European.

[Pahli]

Hm. We don't know what race the Bulgars were when they arrived in the Volga region. I believe they weren't like modern Buryats and Tuvans, but much more mixed with Caucasoids. Chuvash people are the direct descendants of Volga Bulgars and they are like 20-25% East Asian, mainly Siberian. The rest is mostly Northeast European.

Both Chuvash and Volga Tatars have high Northeast European, the rest being 20 - 30% Asian and some minor West Asian admixture (probably from Scythians), I assume they assimilated both Scythian and some Finno-Ugric tribes.

[AndarKhan]

Hm. We don't know what race the Bulgars were when they arrived in the Volga region. I believe they weren't like modern Buryats and Tuvans, but much more mixed with Caucasoids. Chuvash people are the direct descendants of Volga Bulgars and they are like 20-25% East Asian, mainly Siberian. The rest is mostly Northeast European.
Bulgars were Turkic Oghur like Chuvashes. This is certain. Tuvans are dominantly mongoloid Turks maybe due to Mongols. Also, modern Altains are mostly R1a.

[Leto]

Both Chuvash and Volga Tatars have high Northeast European, the rest being 20 - 30% Asian and some minor West Asian admixture (probably from Scythians), I assume they assimilated both Scythian and some Finno-Ugric tribes.
I'm aware of that. These are two Chuvash kit numbers:
T463232
T667021
(I have a lot of Volga Tatars as well)

[Pahli]

I'm aware of that. These are two Chuvash kit numbers:
T463232
T667021
(I have a lot of Volga Tatars as well)

Can you post some Volga Tatar gedmatch numbers too? I compared these with ancient Scythian and Sarmatian samples; The difference is that Chuvash have twice as much East Asian and a lot less West Asian.

[Kamal900]

I didn't say that. I said they were Siberian, Mongolians were not Siberian but dominantly East Asia (Now they are mixed however). And who spoke Proto-Turkic? Obviously the Turkic people of Siberian stock. Turkic language existed before and after the arrival of the Andronovan culture, the mix of Mongoloid and Caucasoid didn't change the language, it remained with the people. Looking at today, they are mixed with various Iranic, Anatolian and Finno-Ugric people and assimilated them.

Just like the ancient Indo-Iranians were dominantly Caucasoid, the ancient Turks were as well dominantly Mongoloid. I don't understand you fucking Turks sometimes, some of you praise the shit out of the Mongoloid blood, others are trying to marginalize it and claim Scytho-Sarmatian ancestry instead :lol:

They proto-Turkic peoples were racially Mongoloid since they originated in the same region as Mongols and other Mongoloid peoples of north-eastern Asia while the Indo-Iranian(Aryan) people were genetically and racially Caucasoid who contributed their genes to all of the Turkic peoples of the world.

[AndarKhan]

They proto-Turkic peoples were racially Mongoloid since they originated in the same region as Mongols and other Mongoloid peoples of north-eastern Asia while the Indo-Iranian(Aryan) people were genetically and racially Caucasoid who contributed their genes to all of the Turkic peoples of the world.

No, Proto-Turkics were not coming from same region as Mongols. Old Altai Theories are discredited.

[blogen]

32,68% Saami, while the Norwegian is only 26,46! This Steppe K10 is presumably mesolithic heritage and not the sign of any steppic migration.

[Lucas]

I'm aware of that. These are two Chuvash kit numbers:
T463232
T667021
(I have a lot of Volga Tatars as well)

This one is Mari admixed - T463232
Second 100% Chuvash.

[Leto]

This one is Mari admixed - T463232
Second 100% Chuvash.
No, both are. How do you know he's Mari-admixed?

[Leto]

Can you post some Volga Tatar gedmatch numbers too? I compared these with ancient Scythian and Sarmatian samples; The difference is that Chuvash have twice as much East Asian and a lot less West Asian.
I will create a thread if you want me to. I have a lot of Tatars, people could run the samples themselves.

[Pahli]

I will create a thread if you want me to. I have a lot of Tatars, people could run the samples themselves.

Yes that would be appreciated :thumb001:

[Kamal900]

The question is; why do northern middle easterners like Persians, Turks and etc don't like one another even though they are very similar to one another genetically?

[Leto]

Some Turks here seem to envy Afghans because of their Iranian/Aryan origins.

[Harkonnen]

Arabs and Slavs are the most arrogant, pushy and needy piece of shit people in the face of the earth. I have great admiration to the Turks for keeping up the fight against these little rats.

[Leto]

Arabs and Slavs are the most arrogant, pushy and needy piece of shit people in the face of the earth. I have great admiration to the Turks for keeping up the fight against these little rats.
Do a test yourself, asshole. You're probably R1a, which would be hilarious, since you hate those Aryan gods.:icon_lol:

[Harkonnen]

Do a test yourself, asshole. You're probably R1a, which would be hilarious, since you hate those Aryan gods.:icon_lol:

In your Slav-ish mind you think that you can force a Man to like you thru a genetic test. I AM A FUCKING MAN AND I DECIDE WHO THE FUCK I HANG AROUND WITH

[Pahli]

The question is; why do northern middle easterners like Persians, Turks and etc don't like one another even though they are very similar to one another genetically?

Because Turks think they're above us (+ they steal Iranian heritage and history and claim it as their own :laugh:); Look at people like Gültekin and Witness :laugh:

[Kamal900]

Arabs and Slavs are the most arrogant, pushy and needy piece of shit people in the face of the earth. I have great admiration to the Turks for keeping up the fight against these little rats.

Slavs are very honorable people, much more so than the Turks and the Iranians will ever be.

[Leto]

In your Slav-ish mind you think that you can force a Man to like you thru a genetic test. I AM A FUCKING MAN AND I DECIDE WHO THE FUCK I HANG AROUND WITH

You are a psychopath and no one would like to hang around with you. Not even Green/Leftist Finns.

[Harkonnen]

You are a psychopath and no one would like to hang around with you. Not even Green/Leftist Finns.

Leftist girls like to hang out with me.

[Pahli]

Slavs are very honorable people, much more so than the Turks and the Iranians will ever be.

We should thank the Slavs for taking out "Muh Turkic hordes" in Eurasia and ending slavery that way. Something those fucking Turks are so proud of :lol:

[Kamal900]

We should thank the Slavs for taking out "Muh Turkic hordes" in Eurasia and ending slavery that way. Something those fucking Turks are so proud of :lol:

Why do you hate the Turks for? Don't Kurds and Turks like each other? Turks and Iranians are both scum in the same bread basket, and they will be at each other's throats if they had the chance. I personally don't want to have anything to do with the quarrels of west Asia.

[Pahli]

Why do you hate the Turks for? Don't Kurds and Turks like each other? Turks and Iranians are both scum in the same bread basket, and they will be at each other's throats if they had the chance. I personally don't want to have anything to do with the quarrels of west Asia.

I don't hate them, I just dislike their arrogant "muh superior Turkic race" agenda. Why are Iranians scum as well? Lol.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Don't Kurds and Turks like each other? .

lol are you serious ?

[Pahli]

lol are you serious ?

I think he had a meltdown or something lol

[Kamal900]

I don't hate them, I just dislike their arrogant "muh superior Turkic race" agenda. Why are Iranians scum as well? Lol.

Both are OWD scum bags who keep begging Whites to accept them by bashing us repeatedly many times and etc. Why these peoples are so obsessed with us I have no fucking clue. Whatever the case, Iranians are just as bad as the Turks, and I don't want to be involved in what's happening in Iraq and west Asia in general for as long as it has no effects on south-west Asia(my home).

[Kamal900]

lol are you serious ?

I'm serious. A Turk from the ABF told me that Turks and Kurds like each other on average and they despise us more so than to each other:
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=48321&page=6

[Pahli]

Both are OWD scum bags who keep begging Whites to accept them by bashing us repeatedly many times and etc. Why these peoples are so obsessed with us I have no fucking clue. Whatever the case, Iranians are just as bad as the Turks, and I don't want to be involved in what's happening in Iraq and west Asia in general for as long as it has no effects on south-west Asia(my home).

Well that's your opinion, not going to argue against that. As for the OWD part, yes, it applies to both Turks and Iranians, I cannot disagree with that.

As for bashing Arabs, I have my personal reasons and personal experiences, but I don't mean to generalize every Arab (I have Arab in my family and Arab friends).

[Pennywise]

You are a psychopath and no one would like to hang around with you. Not even Green/Leftist Finns.

It is good to see your wet "Finnic" dreams crushed by a Finn. Nobody in the Baltic region wants to be associted with Russkies or any other Slavs in that regard. They can't even stand to your presence. Get real for fuck's sake.

[Kamal900]

Well that's your opinion, not going to argue against that. As for the OWD part, yes, it applies to both Turks and Iranians, I cannot disagree with that.

As for bashing Arabs, I have my personal reasons and personal experiences, but I don't mean to generalize every Arab (I have Arab in my family and Arab friends).

Weird, because the Turk from ABF told me that Kurds pretty much despise all Arabs regardless of their nationality and etc.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=48321&page=6

He also told me that Turks, Kurds and Iranians like each other too.

[Pahli]

Weird, because the Turk from ABF told me that Kurds pretty much despise all Arabs regardless of their nationality and etc.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=48321&page=6

He also told me that Turks, Kurds and Iranians like each other too.

Its a bunch of shit. Middle Easterners hate each other to the core, you'll see Turks and Kurds flame each other, Persians and Turks or Persians and Kurds on various social medias (Facebook, on youtube), I despise all of them (which is why most of my friends are either European or Asian). The irony is that one bus driver (Kurd) talked shit about Arabs once, and I disagreed, because Kurds and Turks here in Denmark are fucking scum too and cause problems as well, its not only limited to Arabs or Somalis. You'll understand why I choose NOT to hang around with other MENAs when you come to Denmark and see how some of them behave.

[Leto]

It is good to see your wet "Finnic" dreams crushed by a Finn. Nobody in the Baltic region wants to be associted with Russkies or any other Slavs in that regard. They can't even stand to your presence. Get real for fuck's sake.
Lol, I don't care what the Finnish psychopath thinks or a Turd like you who dreams of Russian women (you primitives are obsessed with blondes). I claim my heritage and no one can take it away from me.

[Kamal900]

Its a bunch of shit. Middle Easterners hate each other to the core, you'll see Turks and Kurds flame each other, Persians and Turks or Persians and Kurds on various social medias (Facebook, on youtube), I despise all of them (which is why most of my friends are either European or Asian). The irony is that one bus driver (Kurd) talked shit about Arabs once, and I disagreed, because Kurds and Turks here in Denmark are fucking scum too and cause problems as well, its not only limited to Arabs or Somalis. You'll understand why I choose NOT to hang around with other MENAs when you come to Denmark and see how some of them behave.

I don't know really. In fact, I don't know what to believe anymore. He claimed that Turks, Kurds, Persians and etc are pretty united against us, and he told me not to take the forums seriously since they don't represent on the reality and etc. Ya3ney, EliasAlucard claimed that Kurds should stop being Muslims and give back their homeland to them. He told me that Kurds and Turks intermarry a lot in Turkey and etc as well. Personally, it kinda made my heart sank in disappointment and etc but I should have expected that honestly. I think they should place a barrier between south-west and west Asia. He told me that every people should be nationalistic and etc which I agree..I support the White nationalist parties of Europe. Turks for Turkey, Iranians for Iran, Europe for Europeans and etc.

[Leto]

Its a bunch of shit. Middle Easterners hate each other to the core, you'll see Turks and Kurds flame each other, Persians and Turks or Persians and Kurds on various social medias (Facebook, on youtube), I despise all of them (which is why most of my friends are either European or Asian). The irony is that one bus driver (Kurd) talked shit about Arabs once, and I disagreed, because Kurds and Turks here in Denmark are fucking scum too and cause problems as well, its not only limited to Arabs or Somalis. You'll understand why I choose NOT to hang around with other MENAs when you come to Denmark and see how some of them behave.
Kurds dislike Persians?

[Pahli]

Kurds dislike Persians?

Because of the political situation in Iran, however I don't dislike Persians in general, only those religious nutsacks.


I don't know really. In fact, I don't know what to believe anymore. He claimed that Turks, Kurds, Persians and etc are pretty united against us, and he told me not to take the forums seriously since they don't represent on the reality and etc. Ya3ney, EliasAlucard claimed that Kurds should stop being Muslims and give back their homeland to them. He told me that Kurds and Turks intermarry a lot in Turkey and etc as well. Personally, it kinda made my heart sank in disappointment and etc but I should have expected that honestly. I think they should place a barrier between south-west and west Asia. He told me that every people should be nationalistic and etc which I agree..I support the White nationalist parties of Europe. Turks for Turkey, Iranians for Iran, Europe for Europeans and etc.

People talk shit ... Kurds leave islam and give their lands away? :lol:

Are those people on shrooms? We can perhaps agree that people should be less religious and more secular but too much nationalism just ends up a bunch of degenerate people (like MHP in Turkey). For Kurds to stop being muslim it will take a civil war, and that is not going to happen anytime soon (although I hope they will leave the religion). The thing is, many Kurds dislike Turkey and probably also some Turks too, they don't like each other that much as that Turkish guy claimed. Turks, Kurds and Persians fight each other too much to unite against Arabs lol, do you really believe the Arabs are the only hated people in West Asia? For instance someone claiming Kurds don't like Syria, I disagree. I like Syria because they supported Iran against Saddam Hussein in the 80's, Iran owes back to Syria for that loyalty in my opinion. I only dislike this superiority mentality many nationalists have, regardless of ethnicity.

[Leto]

Because of the political situation in Iran, however I don't dislike Persians in general, only those religious nutsacks.
I guess outside of Iran Persians are rather liberal, many even value the Aryan heritage. For example, this half-Persian from altright.com even claims ancient Persia was a White civilization, lol
https://altright.com/2017/01/21/rumi-was-white/
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XkQfp2GmZH4/maxresdefault.jpg

[Pennywise]

Lol, I don't care what the Finnish psychopath thinks or a Turd like you who dreams of Russian women (you primitives are obsessed with blondes). I claim my heritage and no one can take it away from me.

You have only one ancestry and that comes from the Soviet orphaneges where your 2 generation older ancestors left by a random whore from the slums as babies. It is normal that you're so confused by your ancestral background. You're right, it is quiet regular to see here some low-life golddigger Russian woman who abused by her father throught of her life and eventually got married with a naive welthy Turkish guy and settled in Turkey. The country filled with scums like that.

[Kamal900]

I guess outside of Iran Persians are rather liberal, many even value the Aryan heritage. For example, this half-Persian from altright.com even claims ancient Persia was a White civilization, lol
https://altright.com/2017/01/21/rumi-was-white/
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XkQfp2GmZH4/maxresdefault.jpg

Who knows, maybe the Persians were Whites back in the day. They value Aryan heritage just to get closer to Europe.

[Kamal900]

You have only one ancestry and that comes from the Soviet orphaneges where your 2 generation older ancestors left by a random whore from the slums as babies. It is normal that you're so confused by your ancestral background. You're right, it is quiet regular to see here some low-life golddigger Russian woman who abused by her father throught of her life and eventually got married with a naive welthy Turkish guy and settled in Turkey. The country filled with scums like that.

Slavs at least we're very contributive when it comes to scientific achievements and etc. Turks are pretty much on the same boat as the Iranians and transcaucasians. Don't be so hard on your Kurdish relatives.

[Leto]

You have only one ancestry and that comes from the Soviet orphaneges where your 2 generation older ancestors left by a random whore from the slums as babies. It is normal that you're so confused by your ancestral background. You're right, it is quiet regular to see here some low-life golddigger Russian woman who abused by her father throught of her life and eventually got married with a naive welthy Turkish guy and settled in Turkey. The country filled with scums like that.
Oh yes, you seem to know more about my family than I do. Pray to Allah, you assimilated Anatolian sand nigger and pay reparations to Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks for the rest of your miserable life. Actual Turks like Tuvans don't wanna know anything about your swarthy Muzzy ass.

[Pahli]

I guess outside of Iran Persians are rather liberal, many even value the Aryan heritage. For example, this half-Persian from altright.com even claims ancient Persia was a White civilization, lol
https://altright.com/2017/01/21/rumi-was-white/
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XkQfp2GmZH4/maxresdefault.jpg

No its bullshit, European admixture in Iranians don't make us White, maybe the ancient Iranians were White but that doesn't make us White. I still take pride in my ancestry but claiming its White is ridiculous.


Who knows, maybe the Persians were Whites back in the day. They value Aryan heritage just to get closer to Europe.

I've been called White by others many times, Europeans or whatever, but I am not White neither do I feel White, the White term itself is stupid IMO.

[Pennywise]

Oh yes, you seem to know more about my family than I do. Pray to Allah, you assimilated Anatolian sand nigger and pay reparations to Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks for the rest of your miserable life. Actual Turks like Tuvans don't wanna know anything about your swarthy Muzzy ass.

Don't get mad dude. How many Russians know their fathers anyway? USSR was a total tragedy in human history. :cry2

[Kamal900]

Oh yes, you seem to know more about my family than I do. Pray to Allah, you assimilated Anatolian sand nigger and pay reparations to Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks for the rest of your miserable life. Actual Turks like Tuvans don't wanna know anything about your swarthy Muzzy ass.

Don't call Turks as Muzzies. They really hate that since it links them with the Arabs. As a matter of fact, they should all become atheists or in any other religion and should unite with the Kurds, Armenians and Assyrians. With that said, these retards that are living in Europe should all be expelled back to their respective homelands.

[Jana]

Iran had very high civilisation and they are proud people, I don't understand bashing of them. I have met Iranians and in no any way the wanted to be Europeans, in fact they came across as quite arrogant and self-satisified people that don't need to associate themself with any other group.

Iran is held in high regard in myn Slavic countries especially in educated circles (I wouldn't comment their teocratic regime though)

[Leto]

Don't get mad dude. How many Russians know their fathers anyway? USSR was a total tragedy in human history. :cry2
I know my father and most do. Why the hell did you pick on me in the first place? I have not touched you for ages. What an asshole you are. Don't turn this section into some political shit, will you?

[Kamal900]

Iran had very high civilisation and they are proud people, I don't understand bashing of them. I have met Iranians and in no any way the wanted to be Europeans, in fact they came across as quite arrogant and self-satisified people that don't need to associate themself with any other group.

Iran is held in high regard in myn Slavic countries especially in educated circles (I wouldn't comment their teocratic regime though)

Well, I met them in RL and they seem to be very obsessed with the western world and some even claimed that they are Aryans as in Whites. These people bring shame to the Aryan peoples of central and south Asia. Let them and the retarded Turks alongside with other west Asiatics go out at each other for all I care. Slavs are the ones who tend not to associate themselves to anybody, rofl.

[Kamal900]

I know my father and most do. Why the hell did you pick on me in the first place? I have not touched you for ages. What an asshole you are. Don't turn this section into some political shit, will you?

He desperately wanted to be White so badly.

[Leto]

Its a bunch of shit. Middle Easterners hate each other to the core, you'll see Turks and Kurds flame each other, Persians and Turks or Persians and Kurds on various social medias (Facebook, on youtube), I despise all of them (which is why most of my friends are either European or Asian). The irony is that one bus driver (Kurd) talked shit about Arabs once, and I disagreed, because Kurds and Turks here in Denmark are fucking scum too and cause problems as well, its not only limited to Arabs or Somalis. You'll understand why I choose NOT to hang around with other MENAs when you come to Denmark and see how some of them behave.
It's good that you are trying to assimilate more or less, unlike most immigrants from the ME. I think even many nationalists would not have a problem with you.

[Jana]

Well, I met them in RL and they seem to be very obsessed with the western world and some even claimed that they are Aryans as in Whites. These people bring shame to the Aryan peoples of central and south Asia. Let them and the retarded Turks alongside with other west Asiatics go out at each other for all I care. Slavs are the ones who tend not to associate themselves to anybody, rofl.
Iranians have more right to claim Aryan heritage than any Europeans.
And Slavs are wide group of people, some are prideful while others are not. FYROMian are Slavs and they steal Greek history. So your idea about Slavic speaking people may be little bit idealized.

[Kamal900]

Iranians have more right to claim Aryan heritage than any Europeans.
And Slavs are wide group of people, some are prideful while others are not. FYROMian are Slavs and they steal Greek history. So your idea about Slavic speaking people may be little bit idealized.

Indians and other central and south indo-European speakers do, but Iranians do it in order to garner acceptance from Whites which is not unusual for them to do.

[Pahli]

It's good that you are trying to assimilate more or less, unlike most immigrants from the ME. I think even many nationalists would not have a problem with you.

I just want to live my life and not be another MENA retard on the crime statistics. I don't feel I can assimilate though because I was raised a bit different than most typical Danish families, but I am trying my best to get along with everyone.

[catgeorge]

I have hired a Persian lady from Iran - and she was obsessed with Europe and specifically Greeks.

"So are we friends now or are we going to go to war again" Jokingly of course. But that's their mentality...my response was - I wouldn't have hired you if I had a problem. She was so prettttyyyyy.

[Leto]

FYROMian are Slavs and they steal Greek history.
How long will the Republic of Macedonia be called a 'former Yugoslav republic'? Yugoslavia has long since gone. I recall you objecting when I or someone else said Croats and Serbs were just Yugoslavs.

[Jana]

Indians and other central and south indo-European speakers do, but Iranians do it in order to garner acceptance from Whites which is not unusual for them to do.
If so, it's stupid. But again, ''whiteness'' is very American and new world thing, we Europeans have little consciousness about being white and don't care much about it, because we have our own ethnic identities which new worlders lack so they are left to identify with skin color.
My people and other Catholics such as Irish weren't considered truly white by Ango-Saxon bigots during great migration days of US, so I don't care if some west asians are ''OWD''. Being white is worthless thing itself, it is ethnic identity/roots and culture that matters to Europeans.

Sorry for off-topic :)

[Kamal900]

If so, it's stupid. But again, ''whiteness'' is very American and new world thing, we Europeans have little consciousness about being white and don't care much about it, because we have our own ethnic identities which new worlders lack so they are laft to identify with skin color.
My people and other Catholics such as Irish weren't considered truly white by Ango-Saxon bigots during great migration days of US, so I don't care if some west asians are ''OWD''. Being white is worthless thing itself, it is ethnic identity/roots and culture that matters to Europeans.

Sorry for off-topic :)

Yes, and Europeans had been on the continent for tens of thousands of years. Again, what Europe needs is some good old fashion butt kicking of these foreigners out of the continent via nationalist parties of Europe.

[Jana]

How long will the Republic of Macedonia be called a 'former Yugoslav republic'? Yugoslavia has long since gone. I recall you objecting when I or someone else said Croats and Serbs were just Yugoslavs.
You should ask Greeks that. They are blocking their Euro-Atlantic integrations due to name dispute. It's very humilitaing itself, yeah.
Macedonians are good and friendly folks. But stealing Greek history makes them look like low people without pride, I hope it will change.

[Leto]

No its bullshit, European admixture in Iranians don't make us White, maybe the ancient Iranians were White but that doesn't make us White. I still take pride in my ancestry but claiming its White is ridiculous.



I've been called White by others many times, Europeans or whatever, but I am not White neither do I feel White, the White term itself is stupid IMO.
Well, 'white' usually means European these days, so technically you as a Kurd are not white (despite being far from dark-skinned). However, you are definitely Caucasian racially and Indo-European linguistically.

[Kamal900]

Well, 'white' usually means European these days, so technically you as a Kurd are not white (despite being far from dark-skinned). However, you are definitely Caucasian racially and Indo-European linguistically.

White nationalism should not be compromised really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLO6N9IkCtU

[Rethel]

Well, 'white' usually means European these days, so technically you as a Kurd are not white (despite being far from dark-skinned). However, you are definitely Caucasian racially and Indo-European linguistically.

So, if european is swarthy, then he is white... :picard2:

[Rethel]

Iranians have more right to claim Aryan heritage than any Europeans.

Why? Becasue they speak persian?


FYROMian are Slavs and they steal Greek history.

Maybe they are just Greeks who adopt slavic language? Hmmm?

[Leto]

White nationalism should not be compromised really.
I support the alt-right movement in North America, but I'm personally from a different culture. I'm neither Anglo-Saxon, nor Western European.

[Rethel]

How long will the Republic of Macedonia be called a 'former Yugoslav republic'? Yugoslavia has long since gone. I recall you objecting when I or someone else said Croats and Serbs were just Yugoslavs.

I have the idea: lets call Greece a Former Ottoman Grange now selfnamed Greece- shortly FOGnsG :laugh:

[Jana]

Why? Becasue they speak persian?
Yes, exactly. Language is such enormously important part of culture, identity and way of thinking it will win against genetic argument (and it is not like they don't have IE ancestry).
For example: you can't be a Roman, if you don't speak Latin, if you don't think in Latin, if you don't live in Rome, if you don't understand their mind, if you don't live the Roman ways.
You can be child of Roman soldier somwhere in Britania, but it doesn't make you Roman, just Roman descended.

Same for Europeans, they can be Aryan descended, but not true Aryans.


Maybe they are just Greeks who adopt slavic language? Hmmm?
Let's be honest, they are Bulgarians who lost their ethnic consciousness. And indeed they have some ancient Macedonian ancestry, but they are still pred. (southern) Slavs.

[Kamal900]

I support the alt-right movement in North America, but I'm personally from a different culture. I'm neither Anglo-Saxon, nor Western European.

Nah, pan-European nationalism is quite universal, lol.

[Pahli]

Well, 'white' usually means European these days, so technically you as a Kurd are not white (despite being far from dark-skinned). However, you are definitely Caucasian racially and Indo-European linguistically.

Does it matter? In Denmark they try to make everyone be "Danish" which is BS, I like Denmark but obviously if you're born MENA and raised so, you're not that much Danish except nationality wise (on your passport). They even made a video where they had kids sit in front of the camera and a guy tell them "You're not Danish", which is some kind of anti-discrimination campaign.

My Danish is good, at least compared to the retards that live in the ghettos and give every MENA person bad reputation, in that sense I can understand why Gilgamesh wants them kicked out because a reasonable amount of them are Arabs (actually Palestinians have a terrible reputation), Turks, Kurds and Persians to a lesser degree.

[Kamal900]

Does it matter? In Denmark they try to make everyone be "Danish" which is BS, I like Denmark but obviously if you're born MENA and raised so, you're not that much Danish except nationality wise (on your passport). They even made a video where they had kids sit in front of the camera and a guy tell them "You're not Danish", which is some kind of anti-discrimination campaign.

Personally, only Europeans have the right to call themselves as such. Turks that I have spoken in ABF look at Kurds as their own brethren so are the Persians too. Why do you dislike them so much if that was the case then? Why couldn't Europeans be as racist and nationalistic as the Turks and etc?

[Pahli]

Personally, only Europeans have the right to call themselves as such. Turks that I have spoken in ABF look at Kurds as their own brethren so are the Persians too. Why do you dislike them so much if that was the case then? Why couldn't Europeans be as racist and nationalistic as the Turks and etc?

The irony here is; I've never experienced racism or discrimination from Danes because of my background, I've of course had some judging looks few times but other than that nothing. The problem with nationalistic Turks, Kurds or Persians (at least some of them) is that they claim their country is so good and everything while they live in a European country :lol:

I dislike them because they behave idiotic, judgemental and are very territorial. They don't obey the laws and are very well represented in crime statistics. I culturally feel somewhere between West Asia and North Europe, get very well along with foreigners that study here, mostly Eastern Europeans. Do you think I want to waste my life on praying 5 times a day and go to the mosque and pretend to be some good guy? The MENAs in this country have messed our reputation up, the few of us that are here are insanely ashamed of being connected to the Middle East because of them, but that doesn't mean I don't care about my heritage too.

There's a reason why my best friends are either Danish or Asian.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Does it matter? In Denmark they try to make everyone be "Danish" which is BS, I like Denmark but obviously if you're born MENA and raised so, you're not that much Danish except nationality wise (on your passport). They even made a video where they had kids sit in front of the camera and a guy tell them "You're not Danish", which is some kind of anti-discrimination campaign.

My Danish is good, at least compared to the retards that live in the ghettos and give every MENA person bad reputation, in that sense I can understand why Gilgamesh wants them kicked out because a reasonable amount of them are Arabs (actually Palestinians have a terrible reputation), Turks, Kurds and Persians to a lesser degree.

How are Albanians perceived there?

[Kamal900]

The irony here is; I've never experienced racism or discrimination from Danes because of my background, I've of course had some judging looks few times but other than that nothing. The problem with nationalistic Turks, Kurds or Persians (at least some of them) is that they claim their country is so good and everything while they live in a European country :lol:

I dislike them because they behave idiotic, judgemental and are very territorial. They don't obey the laws and are very well represented in crime statistics. I culturally feel somewhere between West Asia and North Europe, get very well along with foreigners that study here, mostly Eastern Europeans. Do you think I want to waste my life on praying 5 times a day and go to the mosque and pretend to be some good guy? The MENAs in this country have messed our reputation up, the few of us that are here are insanely ashamed of being connected to the Middle East because of them, but that doesn't mean I don't care about my heritage too.

There's a reason why my best friends are either Danish or Asian.

Well, sounds fair enough. They should have immigration policies and filters to allow only bright people in who are willing to integrate than causing trouble.

[Babak]

Does it matter? In Denmark they try to make everyone be "Danish" which is BS, I like Denmark but obviously if you're born MENA and raised so, you're not that much Danish except nationality wise (on your passport). They even made a video where they had kids sit in front of the camera and a guy tell them "You're not Danish", which is some kind of anti-discrimination campaign.

My Danish is good, at least compared to the retards that live in the ghettos and give every MENA person bad reputation, in that sense I can understand why Gilgamesh wants them kicked out because a reasonable amount of them are Arabs (actually Palestinians have a terrible reputation), Turks, Kurds and Persians to a lesser degree.

gilgamesh is trolling you

[Pahli]

How are Albanians perceived there?

They're a small minority, so not much is known about them, they're less criminal than the MENAs tho.


gilgamesh is trolling you

Well if he is or if he isn't doesn't matter, this is my honest opinion anyway :laugh:


Well, sounds fair enough. They should have immigration policies and filters to allow only bright people in who are willing to integrate than causing trouble.

We pretty much agree here, but thats not the case and they are filling Europe with a lot of idiots now while they have completely fucked up Syria.

[Peterski]

Ancient Indo-Europeans on GEDmatch:

1) Copper Age Steppe:

Kit number / ancient sample

M828815 / Yamnaya-RISE552
M343758 / Yamnaya-I0443
F999968 / Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942 / Afanasievo-RISE509
M766878 / Poltavka-I0440
F999946 / Catacomb-RISE552
M828784 / Afanasievo-RISE511
M655536 / Yamnaya-I0231

2) Bronze Age Steppe:

Kit number / ancient sample

M690970 / Sintashta-RISE386
M630274 / Poltavka-I0432
M370663 / Potapovka-I0419
M608028 / Andronovo-RISE505
M277797 / Sintashta-RISE395
M328175 / Srubnaya-I0423
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500
M472767 / Srubnaya-I0232
F999961 / Andronovo-RISE503
M217196 / Srubnaya-I0430

Check how similar they are to modern Turks.

[Pahli]

Ancient Indo-Europeans on GEDmatch:

1) Copper Age Steppe:

Kit number / ancient sample

M828815 / Yamnaya-RISE552
M343758 / Yamnaya-I0443
F999968 / Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942 / Afanasievo-RISE509
M766878 / Poltavka-I0440
F999946 / Catacomb-RISE552
M828784 / Afanasievo-RISE511
M655536 / Yamnaya-I0231

2) Bronze Age Steppe:

Kit number / ancient sample

M690970 / Sintashta-RISE386
M630274 / Poltavka-I0432
M370663 / Potapovka-I0419
M608028 / Andronovo-RISE505
M277797 / Sintashta-RISE395
M328175 / Srubnaya-I0423
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500
M472767 / Srubnaya-I0232
F999961 / Andronovo-RISE503
M217196 / Srubnaya-I0430

Check how similar they are to modern Turks.

According to Turks these people are Proto-Turks :lol:

[Babak]

Well, I met them in RL and they seem to be very obsessed with the western world and some even claimed that they are Aryans as in Whites. These people bring shame to the Aryan peoples of central and south Asia. Let them and the retarded Turks alongside with other west Asiatics go out at each other for all I care. Slavs are the ones who tend not to associate themselves to anybody, rofl.

Those are fresh ones who have just immigrated recently. Iranians who have immigrated out of Iran in the late 1970's to early 1990's aren't like that.

[Kamal900]

gilgamesh is trolling you

I'm actually edgy right now when I was talking with that Turk and those idiot Assyrians from ABF(EliasAlucard and TheApple).
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=48321&page=9

[Harkonnen]

Ancient Indo-Europeans on GEDmatch:

1) Copper Age Steppe:

Kit number / ancient sample

M828815 / Yamnaya-RISE552
M343758 / Yamnaya-I0443
F999968 / Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942 / Afanasievo-RISE509
M766878 / Poltavka-I0440
F999946 / Catacomb-RISE552
M828784 / Afanasievo-RISE511
M655536 / Yamnaya-I0231

2) Bronze Age Steppe:

Kit number / ancient sample

M690970 / Sintashta-RISE386
M630274 / Poltavka-I0432
M370663 / Potapovka-I0419
M608028 / Andronovo-RISE505
M277797 / Sintashta-RISE395
M328175 / Srubnaya-I0423
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500
M472767 / Srubnaya-I0232
F999961 / Andronovo-RISE503
M217196 / Srubnaya-I0430

Check how similar they are to modern Turks.

Wazzup Polak piece of shit

[Babak]

I'm actually edgy right now when I was talking with that Turk and those idiot Assyrians from ABF(EliasAlucard and TheApple).
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=48321&page=9

There both dumb asses, especially that dumbfuck eliasalucard

[Kamal900]

According to Turks these people are Proto-Turks :lol:

The reality is that they would have looked like this:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NxoBfbhoEmo/hqdefault.jpg

than this:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130604135648-turkey-protests-flag-story-top.jpg

[Harkonnen]

There both dumb asses, especially that dumbfuck eliasalucard

Elicard is a nigger loonie - a great friend of Polaks of course

[Kamal900]

There both dumb asses, especially that dumbfuck eliasalucard

Do you know him? He's one of the most retarded guy I have ever seen in my life.

[Babak]

Do you know him? He's one of the most retarded guy I have ever seen in my life.

Yea, 90% of his posts are garbage and he always boasts about "Muh assyrian land". For fucks sake, he never stops

[Pahli]

The reality is that they would have looked like this:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NxoBfbhoEmo/hqdefault.jpg

than this:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130604135648-turkey-protests-flag-story-top.jpg

That's what I believe too, but Turks would rather believe their ancestors were "White" people from the Andronovo culture :lol:

Also what's up with this Eliasalucard guy? Why is he so retarded?

[Harkonnen]

Do you know him? He's one of the most retarded guy I have ever seen in my life.

He is and get this: Polaks absolutely love the little dwarf.

[Kamal900]

Yea, 90% of his posts are garbage and he always boasts about "Muh assyrian land". For fucks sake, he never stops

I find it funny when TheApple called us Arabs and others like the Turks and Kurds as failures even though his people got ass raped by the Iranian tribes back in ancient times, and they number only around less than 3 million people worldwide. I'm leaving that forum.

[Kamal900]

That's what I believe too, but Turks would rather believe their ancestors were "White" people from the Andronovo culture :lol:

Also what's up with this Eliasalucard guy? Why is he so retarded?

Due to inferiority complex, and that fuck is living in Sweden while TheApple lives in Florida. Why do these fucking people act tough behind their computer screens living in nations that is western is beyond me.

[Babak]

I find it funny when TheApple called us Arabs and others like the Turks and Kurds as failures even though his people got ass raped by the Iranian tribes back in ancient times, and they number only around less than 3 million people worldwide. I'm leaving that forum.

Fuck that forum, forget them man

[Harkonnen]

I find it funny when TheApple called us Arabs and others like the Turks and Kurds as failures even though his people got ass raped by the Iranian tribes back in ancient times, and they number only around less than 3 million people worldwide. I'm leaving that forum.

Assyrians are disgusting people. They are my least favorite mideastern folk.

[Kamal900]

Fuck that forum, forget them man

I gotta admit that the reason why I began trolling because Alucard and that retarded Turkish bitch was trying to make my relationship with the Kurds and Persians bad. Now, I know that Persians and Arabs don't get along all that well, but at the same time, I have Persian friends in RL who aren't like as what that Assyrian whore claim them to be.

[Babak]

I gotta admit that the reason why I began trolling because Alucard and that retarded Turkish bitch was trying to make my relationship with the Kurds and Persians bad. Now, I know that Persians and Arabs don't get along all that well, but at the same time, I have Persian friends in RL who aren't like as what that Assyrian whore claim them to be.

Im sorry man. That forum is cancer tbh, thats why i hesitated to even join that forum a few years back.

[Pahli]

I gotta admit that the reason why I began trolling because Alucard and that retarded Turkish bitch was trying to make my relationship with the Kurds and Persians bad. Now, I know that Persians and Arabs don't get along all that well, but at the same time, I have Persian friends in RL who aren't like as what that Assyrian whore claim them to be.

People talk shit all the time but IMO I distinguish between people online and IRL, Turks IRL aren't that bad but when they get behind the screen they become quite retarded for some reason.


Due to inferiority complex, and that fuck is living in Sweden while TheApple lives in Florida. Why do these fucking people act tough behind their computer screens living in nations that is western is beyond me.

Good question, but ranting at all his neighbours is not going to get him anywhere.

[Babak]

People talk shit all the time but IMO I distinguish between people online and IRL, Turks IRL aren't that bad but when they get behind the screen they become quite retarded for some reason.



Good question, but ranting at all his neighbours is not going to get him anywhere.

Yea but Elias has always acted retarded since the day he joined that forum

[Kamal900]

Yea but Elias has always acted retarded since the day he joined that forum

Tell me about it. The guy wouldn't stop fantasizing his people. He claims that the Persians got civilized by them in ancient times. I'm serious, that's what he said. I wish oblivion and need4speed would come back here.

[Kamal900]

I just logged out of the forum. I never knew that a forum that is run by Assyrians could be this bad. Not to mention that the forum is as dead as a door nail. It doesn't have much activity as it is here.

[Rethel]

Yes, exactly. Language is such enormously important part of culture, identity and way of thinking it will win against genetic argument (and it is not like they don't have IE ancestry).

So, if I learn latin, and some anscendat of mine lived in Rome, I can be a Roman? :picard2:


For example: you can't be a Roman, if you don't speak Latin, if you don't think in Latin, if you don't live in Rome, if you don't understand their mind, if you don't live the Roman ways.

So, if I do all this things, I will be an ancient patri or pleb Roman?


You can be child of Roman soldier somwhere in Britania, but it doesn't make you Roman, just Roman descended.

Interesting, becasue Romans did have quite opposite idea...


Same for Europeans, they can be Aryan descended, but not true Aryans.

The word Aryan has many meanings. You must precize what you mean by it in that context.


Let's be honest, they are Bulgarians who lost their ethnic consciousness. And indeed they have some ancient Macedonian ancestry, but they are still pred. (southern) Slavs.

Bulgarians? Neee...

Slavs did live in whole ancient Macedonia since VII century.
So, logically, they are Macedonians by the place where they
lived, the same as Slavs lived in Panonnia were in Panonia.

Truely saying, neither it is possible to proof ancent Macedonian
roots neither ancient Greek. The farest where they can go is early
19th century, maybe some to XV century in venetian parts. Thats all.
In the best case you have 1800-2100 years to Greeks and Macedonians.
The same is with Persians - they cannot proof, that they are from the
original Persians and Medes, but some can proof, that are Sayyids or IEs :p

[Kamal900]

Assyrians are disgusting people. They are my least favorite mideastern folk.

The ASSyrian people are the Christians of the middle east that I have very little sympathy for. A bunch of butthurt losers who take their frustration on the peoples that they hate.

[Kamal900]

People talk shit all the time but IMO I distinguish between people online and IRL, Turks IRL aren't that bad but when they get behind the screen they become quite retarded for some reason.



Good question, but ranting at all his neighbours is not going to get him anywhere.

Indeed. I shouldn't even be obsessed about politics either even. I only don't associate myself to other MENA peoples either, not even to my own since a lot of them tend to be very Islamist and etc. As an atheist, I only associate with those who are like me regardless of ethnicity and race.

[Babak]

I have hired a Persian lady from Iran - and she was obsessed with Europe and specifically Greeks.

"So are we friends now or are we going to go to war again" Jokingly of course. But that's their mentality...my response was - I wouldn't have hired you if I had a problem. She was so prettttyyyyy.

Persian women who immigrate out of Iran are sellouts for the most part. I'll admit my experiences with persian women here haven't been very good and the same goes with the afghan ones. I'm not sure what it is, but I've been noticing it a lot more. Suddenly they just become bitchy and act as if they are made of gold.

Iranians from tehran are terrible examples of an average Iranian. The ones living in provinces like Fars, khuzestan, hormozgan are what you want. Tehranis are shit.

[StonyArabia]

Yea, 90% of his posts are garbage and he always boasts about "Muh assyrian land". For fucks sake, he never stops

He is a bald dwarf who is diagnosed with primordial stupidity

[Roy]

Is the reason why many Tajiks, especially Yaghnobi, Pamiri etc. look surprisingly European (unlike how Iranians with lower admix of it) to me connected to their elevated Yamnaya?

[Zanzibar]

Is the reason why many Tajiks, especially Yaghnobi, Pamiri etc. look surprisingly European (unlike how Iranians with lower admix of it) to me connected to their elevated Yamnaya?

Many Afghans as well who look White. Yeah its probably due to their high Yamnaya which comes from Sintashta_MLBA and later Indo-Iranian ancestry. I learn that most of the Steppe in the region is from Sintashta and later Indo-Iranian tribes such as Saka, Yuezhi, Hephthalites and Kushan.

Ancient Iranian tribes like the Kangju or Wusun in Xinjiang were described by the ancient Chinese as having red hair and light color eyes, so its possible.

[Leto]

He is a bald dwarf who is diagnosed with primordial stupidity
Stop bumping old dead threads for no good reason. It had been dead for 4 years before you posted that irrelevant-ass shit.

[Leto]

Is the reason why many Tajiks, especially Yaghnobi, Pamiri etc. look surprisingly European (unlike how Iranians with lower admix of it) to me connected to their elevated Yamnaya?
The Tajiks as a whole are probably darker and certainly less Caucasoid than the Iranians (incl. the Azeris).

[Roy]

Many Afghans as well who look White. Yeah its probably due to their high Yamnaya which comes from Sintashta_MLBA and later Indo-Iranian ancestry. I learn that most of the Steppe in the region is from Sintashta and later Indo-Iranian tribes such as Saka, Yuezhi, Hephthalites and Kushan.

Ancient Iranian tribes like the Kangju or Wusun in Xinjiang were described by the ancient Chinese as having red hair and light color eyes, so its possible.

It is present in Afghans too but much more rare. They are for the most brown.

[Roy]

The Tajiks as a whole are probably darker and certainly less Caucasoid than the Iranians (incl. the Azeris).

They do have Mong admix (some less some more, phenotypically it is also sometimes visible sometimes it isn't) but for me they look whiter than Persians.

[Zanzibar]

It is present in Afghans too but much more rare. They are for the most brown.

I see. There are even some really euro-looking individuals from Northern Pakistan as well but they are probably in the same rate of occurrence as those Afghans.

Btw the Kangju and Wusun were genetically very similar to modern day Pamiris as well albeit with a lot more Steppe/NE Euro-like admixture.

Distance of Kangju and Wusun to average pops. Rushan, Shugnan, Ishkashimi and Sarikoli_China are Pamiri groups.

Distance to: KAZ_Kangju
0.04642827 Tajik_Rushan
0.05333563 Tajik_Shugnan
0.05938397 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.06547397 Tajik_Badakshan
0.06608789 Tajik_Kulob
0.06857330 Tajik_Hisor
0.07185144 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.07307013 Tajik_Ayni
0.07780823 Sarikoli_China
0.08322970 Tatar_Kazan
0.08760580 Tatar_Mishar
0.08948466 Darginian
0.09043039 Lak
0.09044371 Avar
0.09056960 Tabasaran
0.09136428 Kaitag
0.09592543 Kubachinian
0.09710709 Udmurt_o2
0.09767762 Kumyk
0.09824898 Komi
0.09830813 Besermyan
0.10027222 Turkish_Northwest
0.10081121 Udmurt_o1
0.10093807 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10112755 Turkish_Rumeli

Distance to: KAZ_Wusun
0.05580111 Tajik_Rushan
0.05629074 Tajik_Shugnan
0.05671604 Tajik_Hisor
0.06021785 Tajik_Badakshan
0.06078304 Sarikoli_China
0.06201771 Tajik_Kulob
0.06373055 Tajik_Ayni
0.06704546 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.07994618 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.08001587 Tatar_Kazan
0.08493944 Besermyan
0.09018473 Tatar_Lipka
0.09039335 Iranian_Turkmen_Golestan
0.09151686 Udmurt_o1
0.09540808 Kho_Singanali
0.09563333 Tatar_Mishar
0.09733165 Udmurt_o2
0.09753845 Turkmen
0.09800469 Udmurt
0.09852664 Udmurt_o3
0.10087677 Komi
0.10496953 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.10608172 Jatt_Pathak
0.10663758 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.10843858 Ror

Distance of Kangju and Wusun to individual modern pops:

Distance to: KAZ_Kangju
0.04319231 Tajik_Rushan:tdj12_rushan
0.04831221 Tajik_Rushan:tdj868_rushan
0.04952520 Tajik_Rushan:tdj261_rushan
0.05131953 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.05211085 Tajik_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.05272571 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0108
0.05450416 Tajik_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.05453805 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj409_shugnan
0.05610744 Tajik_Rushan:tdj277_rushan
0.05636725 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj979_shugnan
0.05814240 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0688
0.05838513 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1095_tadjik_yag
0.05869834 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj126_shugnan
0.05933178 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0517
0.05954228 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1110_tadjik_yag
0.06004373 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1176_tadjik_yag
0.06225576 Tajik_Rushan:tdj521_rushan
0.06255086 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan
0.06399901 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj275_shugnan
0.06563584 Tajik_Ishkashim:tdj258_ishkashim
0.06618863 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ0197_tadjik_yag
0.06997877 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0486
0.07009816 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1101_tadjik_yag
0.07020224 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0574
0.07031523 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-1041

Distance to: KAZ_Wusun
0.04983483 Tajik_Rushan:tdj12_rushan
0.05001934 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0688
0.05548121 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0517
0.05683412 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.05693620 Tajik_Rushan:tdj277_rushan
0.05838535 Tajik_Rushan:tdj261_rushan
0.05847307 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj409_shugnan
0.05848897 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0982
0.05856736 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan
0.05978739 Tajik_Rushan:tdj868_rushan
0.06020636 Tajik_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.06243028 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj275_shugnan
0.06343035 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0486
0.06355003 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj979_shugnan
0.06358172 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0798
0.06367254 Tajik_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.06439422 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0984
0.06455690 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj126_shugnan
0.06468044 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0807
0.06555159 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0573
0.06630372 Tajik_Ishkashim:tdj252_ishkashim
0.06651329 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0686
0.06671862 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0484
0.06714219 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-1032
0.06739878 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0108

[Roy]

I see. There are even some really euro-looking individuals from Northern Pakistan as well but they are probably in the same rate of occurrence as those Afghans.

Btw the Kangju and Wusun were genetically very similar to modern day Pamiris as well albeit with a lot more Steppe/NE Euro-like admixture.

Distance of Kangju and Wusun to average pops. Rushan, Shugnan, Ishkashimi and Sarikoli_China are Pamiri groups.

Distance to: KAZ_Kangju
0.04642827 Tajik_Rushan
0.05333563 Tajik_Shugnan
0.05938397 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.06547397 Tajik_Badakshan
0.06608789 Tajik_Kulob
0.06857330 Tajik_Hisor
0.07185144 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.07307013 Tajik_Ayni
0.07780823 Sarikoli_China
0.08322970 Tatar_Kazan
0.08760580 Tatar_Mishar
0.08948466 Darginian
0.09043039 Lak
0.09044371 Avar
0.09056960 Tabasaran
0.09136428 Kaitag
0.09592543 Kubachinian
0.09710709 Udmurt_o2
0.09767762 Kumyk
0.09824898 Komi
0.09830813 Besermyan
0.10027222 Turkish_Northwest
0.10081121 Udmurt_o1
0.10093807 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10112755 Turkish_Rumeli

Distance to: KAZ_Wusun
0.05580111 Tajik_Rushan
0.05629074 Tajik_Shugnan
0.05671604 Tajik_Hisor
0.06021785 Tajik_Badakshan
0.06078304 Sarikoli_China
0.06201771 Tajik_Kulob
0.06373055 Tajik_Ayni
0.06704546 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.07994618 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.08001587 Tatar_Kazan
0.08493944 Besermyan
0.09018473 Tatar_Lipka
0.09039335 Iranian_Turkmen_Golestan
0.09151686 Udmurt_o1
0.09540808 Kho_Singanali
0.09563333 Tatar_Mishar
0.09733165 Udmurt_o2
0.09753845 Turkmen
0.09800469 Udmurt
0.09852664 Udmurt_o3
0.10087677 Komi
0.10496953 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.10608172 Jatt_Pathak
0.10663758 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.10843858 Ror

Distance of Kangju and Wusun to individual modern pops:

Distance to: KAZ_Kangju
0.04319231 Tajik_Rushan:tdj12_rushan
0.04831221 Tajik_Rushan:tdj868_rushan
0.04952520 Tajik_Rushan:tdj261_rushan
0.05131953 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.05211085 Tajik_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.05272571 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0108
0.05450416 Tajik_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.05453805 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj409_shugnan
0.05610744 Tajik_Rushan:tdj277_rushan
0.05636725 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj979_shugnan
0.05814240 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0688
0.05838513 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1095_tadjik_yag
0.05869834 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj126_shugnan
0.05933178 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0517
0.05954228 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1110_tadjik_yag
0.06004373 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1176_tadjik_yag
0.06225576 Tajik_Rushan:tdj521_rushan
0.06255086 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan
0.06399901 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj275_shugnan
0.06563584 Tajik_Ishkashim:tdj258_ishkashim
0.06618863 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ0197_tadjik_yag
0.06997877 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0486
0.07009816 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1101_tadjik_yag
0.07020224 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0574
0.07031523 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-1041

Distance to: KAZ_Wusun
0.04983483 Tajik_Rushan:tdj12_rushan
0.05001934 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0688
0.05548121 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0517
0.05683412 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.05693620 Tajik_Rushan:tdj277_rushan
0.05838535 Tajik_Rushan:tdj261_rushan
0.05847307 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj409_shugnan
0.05848897 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0982
0.05856736 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan
0.05978739 Tajik_Rushan:tdj868_rushan
0.06020636 Tajik_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.06243028 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj275_shugnan
0.06343035 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0486
0.06355003 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj979_shugnan
0.06358172 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0798
0.06367254 Tajik_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.06439422 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0984
0.06455690 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj126_shugnan
0.06468044 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0807
0.06555159 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0573
0.06630372 Tajik_Ishkashim:tdj252_ishkashim
0.06651329 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0686
0.06671862 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0484
0.06714219 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-1032
0.06739878 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0108

That Wakhi woman from NE Afghanistan on the left has a look that seems to pop up from time to time. It is probably a leftover from those earlier populations.



https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ab61c67ec4eb7ab7a2f40f2/1532751820593-2YA11R9LU88L2WU62OT8/wakhi-women?format=1000w

And this one looks completely Caucasoid.

https://res.cloudinary.com/fleetnation/image/private/c_fit,w_1120/g_south,l_text:style_gothic2:%C2%A9%20Eric%20Laffo rgue,o_20,y_10/g_center,l_watermark4,o_25,y_50/v1513116693/ggxuwbpqxcmbgjnjswi7.jpg

[Leto]

That Wakhi woman from NE Afghanistan on the left has a look that seems to pop up from time to time. It is probably a leftover from those earlier populations.

[IMG]https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ab61c67ec4eb7ab7a2f40f2/1532751820593-2YA11R9LU88L2WU62OT8/wakhi-women?format=1000w

And this one looks completely Caucasoid.

[IMG]https://res.cloudinary.com/fleetnation/image/private/c_fit,w_1120/g_south,l_text:style_gothic2:%C2%A9%20Eric%20Laffo rgue,o_20,y_10/g_center,l_watermark4,o_25,y_50/v1513116693/ggxuwbpqxcmbgjnjswi7.jpg
Here are the new reconstructions of Sintashta people. They are considred Proto-Indo-Iranians

https://res.cloudinary.com/ancestralwhispers/image/upload/c_fill,fl_lossy,w_1500/v1/fulls/sintashta2_nneuwp
https://res.cloudinary.com/ancestralwhispers/image/upload/c_fill,fl_lossy,w_1500/v1/fulls/sintashta1_fckffu
https://res.cloudinary.com/ancestralwhispers/image/upload/c_fill,fl_lossy,w_1500/v1/fulls/SintashtaRecon_czuzh2

On the other hand, the BMAC people were not white
https://res.cloudinary.com/ancestralwhispers/image/upload/c_fill,fl_lossy,w_1500/v1/fulls/BMACRecon_svik5h
https://res.cloudinary.com/ancestralwhispers/image/upload/c_fill,fl_lossy,w_1500/v1/fulls/UPDATE_BMACRecon_bl42ln

https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions

[Zanzibar]

That Wakhi woman from NE Afghanistan on the left has a look that seems to pop up from time to time. It is probably a leftover from those earlier populations.



https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ab61c67ec4eb7ab7a2f40f2/1532751820593-2YA11R9LU88L2WU62OT8/wakhi-women?format=1000w

And this one looks completely Caucasoid.

https://res.cloudinary.com/fleetnation/image/private/c_fit,w_1120/g_south,l_text:style_gothic2:%C2%A9%20Eric%20Laffo rgue,o_20,y_10/g_center,l_watermark4,o_25,y_50/v1513116693/ggxuwbpqxcmbgjnjswi7.jpg

Here are two Tajiks (prolly Pamiris) from this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?348425-Classify-2-girls-from-Iranian-Tajik-film-Silence-(1998)

https://i.imgur.com/Nwzc8vt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1ruCkjm.jpg

Also not from Tajikistan but from Northern Pakistan. They look very Northern or Eastern Euro. Ancient Steppe Indo-Iranian tribes probably look like them. From this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321773-Indo-Nordids&p=6668950&viewfull=1#post6668950

https://i.imgur.com/B7gLymb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qVe3XS9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0w7nrGA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cK915AJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zsrwphk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xBKpLqZ.jpg

[Roy]

The Tajiks as a whole are probably darker and certainly less Caucasoid than the Iranians (incl. the Azeris).

Those two random Tajik men (likely native Pamiri Tajiks) certainly look whiter than typical people from Iran. Tajiks from Dushanbe though tend to have Mongoloid influence but not the case in some other regions apparently. And I am of fairly unpopular opinion that many Persian people look like they could be Indian.
https://eurasianet.org/sites/default/files/media/image/%2004%20of%2004.jpg
Tajik girl
https://live.staticflickr.com/1938/43771523690_3418405da9_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/2320/1957854378_2126150bdf_c.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/8e/0e/dc8e0e4a1a63f689a75a0906d2627f6d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/1964/31716979688_f5a85a353b_b.jpg
https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4667/39052530585_af85f1019d.jpg
From Dushanbe though ...
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CTY464/tajik-girls-posing-in-central-park-dushanbe-tajikistan-CTY464.jpg

From Iran

https://www.politykaglobalna.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/iran_ganczarek_2.jpg
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[Leto]

Those two random Tajik men (likely native Pamiri Tajiks) certainly look whiter than typical people from Iran. And I am of fairly unpopular opinion thst many Persian people look like they could be Indian.

Pamiri peoples are about 5% of the population in Tajikistan. Meanwhile as recently as the 1980s the republic was over 20% Uzbek. Now it might officially be lower (UZB is assimilating its local Tajiks and TJK is doing the same with its Uzbeks). I assure you white Pamiris which people from outside the former Soviet Union keep posting online do not look like 90+% of the population. An average person in Tajikistan is not lighter than an average Iranian. He may have 2-3 times as much Steppe ancestry but also more South and East Asian admixture. In Iran the South and East Asian is typically below 5% outside of Balochi and Turkic minority areas, respectively.

[Leto]

By the way, I'd gladly mix with a high-Steppe Pamiri woman being a proud R1a guy myself. :cool: More gladly than with some of the low-IE/low-R1 Europeans.

[Babak]

By the way, I'd gladly mix with a high-Steppe Pamiri woman being a proud R1a guy myself. :cool: More gladly than with some of the low-IE/low-R1 Europeans.

Lol

[Roy]

By the way, I'd gladly mix with a high-Steppe Pamiri woman being a proud R1a guy myself. :cool: More gladly than with some of the low-IE/low-R1 Europeans.

Women from Tajikistan are often very attractive. Save for those with a unibrow though*. :D

*albeit it is considered beautiful there and often tatyooed.