Woman 'too brown' for Hobbit role

[Loki]

Extra claims she was rejected for Hobbit role for looking 'too brown' (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/nov/29/extra-too-brown-the-hobbit)

British woman of Pakistani origin reportedly refused part in Lord of the Rings prequel for not being 'light-skinned' enough

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2010/11/29/1291025083097/elijah-wood-hobbit-007.jpg

A British woman of Pakistani origin was reportedly turned away from auditions for Lord of the Rings prequel The Hobbit in New Zealand on the basis that she was not white enough.

Naz Humphreys, who is 5ft tall, had travelled to Hamilton from Auckland last Tuesday in the hope of securing an extra role on Peter Jackson's forthcoming two-part adaptation of JRR Tolkien's classic fantasy tale. However, according to the Waikato Times, she was told after a three-hour wait that her skin tone made it unlikely she would be cast.

"It's 2010 and I still can't believe I'm being discriminated against because I have brown skin," Ms Humphreys told the Waikato Times. "The casting manager basically said they weren't having anybody who wasn't pale-skinned."

According to the newspaper, a video shows a film company representative telling the crowd: "We are looking for light-skinned people. I'm not trying to be – whatever. It's just the brief. You've got to look like a hobbit."

Ms Humphreys, a social policy researcher, had travelled to New Zealand on a working holiday along with her husband, both of them being keen Lord of the Rings fans. She has now set up a Facebook page entitled "Hire Hobbits of all colours! Say No to Hobbit racism!"

"I would love to be an extra," said Ms Humphreys. "But it just seemed like a shame because obviously hobbits are not brown or black or any other colour. They all look kind of homogenised beige and all derived from the Caucasian gene pool.

"In 2010, a movie company should be representing all its viewers. It's not just going to be white people seeing The Hobbit, but people from all over the world."

Jackson's spokesman said: "It is not something the producers or the director of The Hobbit were aware of; they would never issue instructions of this kind to the casting crew. All people meeting the age and height requirements are welcome to audition for The Hobbit."

A spokesman for the film-maker's company, Wingnut Films, said the offending crew member, an independent contractor, had been sacked. "It's something we take very seriously," he told AFP.

The member of staff had placed an advertisement in a local newspaper specifying female hobbit extras "with light skin tones" and had also been responsible for informing Ms Humphreys that she did not fit the bill.

"No such instructions were given, the crew member in question took it upon themselves to do that and it's not something we instructed or condoned," the spokesman said.

Tolkien's guidance on the subject of hobbit skin tone is unclear, though according to The Complete Guide to Middle-earth he did specify that Harfoots, the most common type of hobbit, were "browner" than other groups. The Fallohides who settled the Shire and Hobbiton, had "fairer skin". At 5ft, however, Ms Humphreys would have been a giant of a female hobbit, as Tolkien wrote that they were between 2ft and 4ft tall, with the average height being 3ft 6in.

[CelticTemplar]

Oh great. First they want our world and now they want our fantasy worlds.
Enough is enough I say!

I don't want my final refuge runined because she felt that she was "discriminated against". LOTR is based on Northern Europe, and last time I checked, pakis and blacks did not orginally come from there.

I'm tired of minorites playing the "you should feel sorry for me because your ancestors conqured my ancestors" card, to get whatever they want.

[Bridie]

Bloody whingers will milk it for all that they can.

[CelticTemplar]

Bloody whingers will milk it for all that they can.
You can bet your mother's life that they will.
I'm just amazed that it isn't on national news over here yet.

But hopfully most people will come to their senses and ignor this woman, so that we can get on with creating another epic LOTR film the way it is supposed to be made, with white people.

[Ibericus]

"It's 2010 and I still can't believe I'm being discriminated against because I have brown skin,"
http://gamehounds.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/crying.jpg

[Beorn]

"It's 2010 and I still can't believe I'm being discriminated against because I have brown skin,"

Hobbits are white and you are brown. There is no discrimination. Get over yourself.

[The Lawspeaker]

If she would have read the book and seen the other films one would know that it has a pretty-European setting and know that it has little to do with racism (if at all) or hightism (since she is too tall as well) but all the more with.. well this is how it works.

There are plenty of other films one can play in and it would be just as silly for a European to try to play in a Bollywood movie or to play the role of Shaka, King of the Zulu.

It's a very simple thing actually: "need not apply".

[Birka]

Simple solution, cast her as an orc.

[Eldritch]

Ms Humphreys, a social policy researcher, had travelled to New Zealand on a working holiday along with her husband, both of them being keen Lord of the Rings fans. She has now set up a Facebook page entitled "Hire Hobbits of all colours! Say No to Hobbit racism!"

Can something so surreally idiotic be for real? We're definitely living in a post-parody singularity universe.

Call me a Facebook retard though, but I couldn't find that group.

What I think is outrageous is that Wingnut Films fired the person who told this idiot they didn't want any Paki hobbits. I think I'll just boycot the film for that.

[Pallantides]

though according to The Complete Guide to Middle-earth he did specify that Harfoots, the most common type of hobbit, were "browner" than other groups.

With 'browner' I'm sure Tolkien meant something more like this:
http://hollywooddame.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/colin_farrell_1.jpg

not...

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00442/news-graphics-2007-_442925a.jpg

[Murphy]

I wont be watching it regardless. Peter Jackson has raped Middle Earth quite enough and this has went and guaranteed that Bilbo wont be the hapless hero of the story but instead a black hobbit who leads a revolution against the fascist hobbit society.

[Megrez]

I'm gonna download the film via torrent anyway if I want to watch it :D

[blan]

I wont be watching it regardless. Peter Jackson has raped Middle Earth quite enough and this has went and guaranteed that Bilbo wont be the hapless hero of the story but instead a black hobbit who leads a revolution against the fascist hobbit society.

you and christopher tolkien ((jrr tolkiens son)) would get along very well, i think he may still be alive and he hates jackson more than anyone on the planet

[blan]

bloody hell!!! discrimination!!!?? and this gets media play seriously. in that cause next time they make a reenactment of the Haitian revolt and they need slave extras they better cast me and if they dont the world media better fly over to interview me so we can talk about the racism and how evil everyone is,
i am sure she never has even read any of the books.
dumb assholes i am more angry at the people who will publish this bullshit and overlook important news about real racial issues

[blan]

Tolkien's guidance on the subject of hobbit skin tone is unclear, though according to The Complete Guide to Middle-earth he did specify that Harfoots, the most common type of hobbit, were "browner" than other groups. The Fallohides who settled the Shire and Hobbiton, had "fairer skin". At 5ft, however, Ms Humphreys would have been a giant of a female hobbit, as Tolkien wrote that they were between 2ft and 4ft tall, with the average height being 3ft 6in.


this does make the woman a bit of a case in the matter, in the end i think its pathetic how jackson and his crew are caving in under the pressure,
good thing this womans whines will be forgotten quick. but in the end based on that she seems to have a leg to stand on

[The Ripper]

Race in Tolkien's work is more implicit than explicit. Hobbits are often described as looking like children of Men (of Rohan and Gondor), whom in turn are indisputably described as having "European" features. ;)

[Falkata]

This is some stupid shit. I wonder if I could also claim racism if I applied to the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air casting :confused:

[Treffie]

It seems to me that Asians tend to use the `race card` more than any other minority (at least here in the UK). A good friend of mine who works nights at a Drug User Drop-In centre was asked to paint the staff office if it was quiet during the night. He refused due to the fact that he had a split cartilage in his knee, so the task was passed onto the other night worker - a guy originally from India. He also refused, but made the complaint that he had been targetted to paint the office because of his skin colour, and that the task was menial. My friend had to provide a medical paper to prove to the employer that he had a problem with his knee, just because the Asian member had implied that there was a form of racism in the workplace.

[Foxy]

Not that looking like an hobbit is such that honour. They are short, have hair on their feet... That woman was looking for a way to dispute.
How many whites are in Bollywood movies?
She's also stupid, I would never present myself to role an Indian princess for istance, I understand that I would not be accepted for my fisionomy. That's not racism.

[Fortis in Arduis]

The vile bitch did it for her Rosa Parks moment.

She is a 'Social Policy Researcher'.

Fucking Orc!!!

[Eldritch]

you and christopher tolkien ((jrr tolkiens son)) would get along very well, i think he may still be alive and he hates jackson more than anyone on the planet

He is alive and in his 80's. AfaIk there's no new project of unfinished JRR writings coming up anymore now that The Children of Húrin and The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún are out.

However I wasn't aware of his hatred for Peter Jackson, any links?

[Radola]

It´s natural, she isn´t looking like a hobbit-they are white.. so she doesn´t play one. It´s like me wanting to play a nigga gangster - I couldn´t get this role, too.

[Alvarado]

She should use the inverted method of Hollywood:

http://fotos.imagenesdeposito.com/imagenes/a/antonio_banderas_con_el_pelo_largo-8011.gifhttp://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/25090639/Los+Lobos++Antonio+Banderas+1024_desperado.jpg



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[Liffrea]

“It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our air, the clime and soil of the North-West, meaning Britain and hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the east.”

“In any case if you want to write a tale of this sort you must consult your roots, and a man of the North-West of the Old World will set his heart and the action of his tale in an imaginary world of that air, and that situation: with the Shoreless Sea of his innumerable ancestors to the West, and the endless lands (out of which enemies mostly come) to the East.”

I’m not at all looking forward to the Hobbit anyway (regardless of this bit of nonsense) I’m still amazed that LOTR managed to get to the cinema without the obligatory PC treatment.

[Murphy]

I’m not at all looking forward to the Hobbit anyway (regardless of this bit of nonsense) I’m still amazed that LOTR managed to get to the cinema without the obligatory PC treatment.

But it did.

Arwen was turned into a Xena: Warrior Princess to suit modern feminist sensibilities. Instead of the soft Arwen who wandered the halls of her father sowing Aragorn's banner giving him strength without need to overshadow him we got Liv Tyler who not only overshadowed Aragorn but also Frodo.

Here's some examples: in the films when Aragorn is looking for the medicinal herb for Frodo's wound, Arwen sneaks up on him with a blade and says something silly about a ranger letting his guard down.. WHAT THE FUCK?! Aragorn is a Dúnedain Ranger who in his spare time fucked about Mordor for shits and giggles and who grew up kicking it with Elrond's sons. He's just came from a scrap with the Nazgúl and the ring-bearer is fading from their realm. NO ONE IS SNEAKING UP ON HIM!

Now after that and her claims to being a better rider than Aragorn she takes Frodo on her horse and heads for the ford having a nice little race with the Nazgúl. This is where she overshadow's Frodo and robs the audience a chance to see Frodo's mettle. When Frodo reached the ford in the books on Glorfindel's horse (he was alone) he realises he cannot go on. What does he do? Does he cower down meekly? No, the guy draws his swords and tells the bastards to bring it. This little fucking hobbit, for all intent and purposes near death with a wound that will trouble him for the rest of his days, is willing to go toe-to-toe with the Nazgúl. Liv Tyler's Arwen stole so much from Frodo and Aragorn.

Not to mention SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE! Give me Glorfindel. In case anyone's forgotten this was the dude who was sent back from the Undying Lands after kicking the shit out of a Balrog and who is so bad ass the Halls of Mandos couldn't contain his awsomeness.

Then there's Aragorn. In the books, Aragorn, rightful king of Gondor, heir of Isildur, Ranger of the North, the man who stood at the gates of Mordor with the Men of the West and contested wills with Sauron himself, a man's fucking man, is turned into a hapless emo pussy-wimpn who is unsure of himself and afraid of his heritage. It makes me sick.

I could go on forever.

[blan]

He is alive and in his 80's. AfaIk there's no new project of unfinished JRR writings coming up anymore now that The Children of Húrin and The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún are out.

However I wasn't aware of his hatred for Peter Jackson, any links?

i dont have any links but he described the lord of the rings as rubbish and not worthy of his fathers legacy i read a long time ago, and the reason why the hobbit came out last and it took so long to do is because tolkien had special ownership of that and had tried to keep all people away from the rights,

[Don Brick]

How on earth can she claim to be a LOTR fan and yet try to distort the world that Tolkien created? A person who has read his work should know that Middle-Earth is not some modern day multicultural paradise but as Tolkien himself has described an imaginary period in earth´s and more precisely Europe´s past. Now if she´s just slightly darker than the rest of the cast then I can perhaps understand her outrage but chances are that she looks like a typical South Asian who would not fit into the role of a hobbit. Maybe she could be from somewhere in Khan (this one´s for all the LOTR enthusiasts out there, nobody else will no what the hell I´m talking about). :D :wink

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Eóin
Arwen was turned into a Xena: Warrior Princess to suit modern feminist sensibilities.

Tolkien’s female characters in LOTR are poor (then again all his characters in LOTR are generally 2D, as I’ve mentioned before LOTR is very far away from being his best work).

Commercialisation undoubtedly played a part here, consider the number of female movie goers and the poor bastard man who has to sit through a nearly four hour film with his women, if you have ever taken a woman to see a film you want to see but she doesn’t you will know how close you are to killing her and throwing her in the river. I tried with Bikini Vampire Babes 2 this is the one with vegetable oil and where they suck men’s…….necks, couldn’t understand her problem….


Not to mention SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE! Give me Glorfindel. In case anyone's forgotten this was the dude who was sent back from the Undying Lands after kicking the shit out of a Balrog and who is so bad ass the Halls of Mandos couldn't contain his awsomeness.

As above.


Then there's Aragorn. In the books, Aragorn, rightful king of Gondor, heir of Isildur, Ranger of the North, the man who stood at the gates of Mordor with the Men of the West and contested wills with Sauron himself, a man's fucking man, is turned into a hapless emo pussy-wimpn who is unsure of himself and afraid of his heritage. It makes me sick.

I think you’re to harsh, true he does lack confidence, which would be out of place for his character in Tolkien’s book and in any Norse saga or in Beowulf, but he is plain speaking, knows when to be silent, knows when the rewards from a fight are worth the effort you put in, and, finally, when he does fight doesn’t hold back, no mercy, no compassion, see the scene where he slays the Orcs at the breaking of the fellowship, he’s the very Devil, all he see’s is blood and death (which is what you want in a warrior, which Aragorn is, don’t let the mild manner and quiet nature fool your estimation, he’s far stronger than the more Norse like Boromir, perhaps not physically but where it counts in his Will).

[Murphy]

Tolkien’s female characters in LOTR are poor (then again all his characters in LOTR are generally 2D, as I’ve mentioned before LOTR is very far away from being his best work).

Tolkien's females are not poor. They just don't bend to modern sensibilities. Tolkien's women are real women. Not MTV Porn Stars.

And I object to any claim that Tolkien's characters are generally 2D. Now granted Tolkien wasn't much for character-driven tales so there wasn't focus on development, but it was there and characters did have depth.

[Pallantides]

Maybe she could be from somewhere in Khan (this one´s for all the LOTR enthusiasts out there, nobody else will no what the hell I´m talking about). :D :wink

You mean Khand;)

[Don Brick]

You mean Khand;)

Jesus! That was a typo! Nothing more! I swear to God! Eru Ilúvatar oh please don´t strike me dead because of this horrible horrible mistake! :embarrassed :eek:

[Magister Eckhart]

There are no blacks or browns in Tolkien. Get used to it.

Typically of a Paki though, none of them have any dignity or honour, so playing the race-card should be expected.

What if we cast Nelson Mandela with a white actor? I'm sure that little bit of "equality" would go over great.

[Magister Eckhart]

But it did.

Arwen was turned into a Xena: Warrior Princess to suit modern feminist sensibilities. Instead of the soft Arwen who wandered the halls of her father sowing Aragorn's banner giving him strength without need to overshadow him we got Liv Tyler who not only overshadowed Aragorn but also Frodo.

Here's some examples: in the films when Aragorn is looking for the medicinal herb for Frodo's wound, Arwen sneaks up on him with a blade and says something silly about a ranger letting his guard down.. WHAT THE FUCK?! Aragorn is a Dúnedain Ranger who in his spare time fucked about Mordor for shits and giggles and who grew up kicking it with Elrond's sons. He's just came from a scrap with the Nazgúl and the ring-bearer is fading from their realm. NO ONE IS SNEAKING UP ON HIM!

Now after that and her claims to being a better rider than Aragorn she takes Frodo on her horse and heads for the ford having a nice little race with the Nazgúl. This is where she overshadow's Frodo and robs the audience a chance to see Frodo's mettle. When Frodo reached the ford in the books on Glorfindel's horse (he was alone) he realises he cannot go on. What does he do? Does he cower down meekly? No, the guy draws his swords and tells the bastards to bring it. This little fucking hobbit, for all intent and purposes near death with a wound that will trouble him for the rest of his days, is willing to go toe-to-toe with the Nazgúl. Liv Tyler's Arwen stole so much from Frodo and Aragorn.

Not to mention SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE! Give me Glorfindel. In case anyone's forgotten this was the dude who was sent back from the Undying Lands after kicking the shit out of a Balrog and who is so bad ass the Halls of Mandos couldn't contain his awsomeness.

Then there's Aragorn. In the books, Aragorn, rightful king of Gondor, heir of Isildur, Ranger of the North, the man who stood at the gates of Mordor with the Men of the West and contested wills with Sauron himself, a man's fucking man, is turned into a hapless emo pussy-wimpn who is unsure of himself and afraid of his heritage. It makes me sick.

I could go on forever.

While I agree with your complaints: any port in a storm. These are still the most western and heroic films presently out there.

Also, all of your complaints seem to circulate around the first movie, which is the worst of the three by far.

[Comte Arnau]

She probably thought that, if Mexican Hispanics can play the role of Iberians in Hollywood, why can't Pakis, former British province, play the role of Hobbits?

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Eóin
Tolkien's females are not poor. They just don't bend to modern sensibilities. Tolkien's women are real women.

Err….no, can’t agree with that statement at all. Besides whose speaking of feminist motivation? There are strong female characters in Tolkien’s other works, Nienor and Morwen are far more developed than either Arwen or Eowyn as an example. Neither are porn stars or “ladettes”, it is possible for a woman to have spirit.;)


And I object to any claim that Tolkien's characters are generally 2D.

In LOTR.


Now granted Tolkien wasn't much for character-driven tales

Huh? You have read The Children of Hurin and the Feanor episodes in The Silmarillion? How about Tolkien’s work on Sigurd and Gudrun? If you haven’t, read them, you will see why I’m critical of LOTR.


so there wasn't focus on development, but it was there and characters did have depth.

Parts of the LOTR read more like a travel brochure than a tale, it becomes tedious after a while.

[Pallantides]

There are no blacks or browns in Tolkien. Get used to it.


What about the Haradrim?
The Troll-men of Far Harad were described as black.


...Easterlings with axes, and Variags of Khand, Southrons in scarlet, and out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues..

[blan]

What about the Haradrim?
The Troll-men of Far Harad were described as black.

this is true and of course being that he described trolls as black the PC left wing cry babies attacked tolkien before and after he died accusing him of racism.

[Pallantides]

I'm pretty sure the Troll-Men were just large 'savage' humans, their appearance was simillar to trolls in the eyes of to the Gondorians and Rohirrim, which is why they were called 'Troll-Men'

[Guapo]

With 'browner' I'm sure Tolkien meant something more like this:
http://hollywooddame.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/colin_farrell_1.jpg

I know a guy who is Lebanese/English mix that looks exactly like him.

[blan]

I'm pretty sure the Troll-Men were just large 'savage' humans, their apperance was simillar to trolls in the eyes of to the Gondorians and Rohirrim, which is why they were called 'Troll-Men'

did he try to imply they were sub sahran looking people? i dont know and if tolkien was alive he would not tell you himself because when people try to relate his stories to politics or social issues he would simply reply((it is a work of fiction)) he would make no comment, but it is true tolkien is originally from south africa so maybe? his son is even less helpful and will not answer anyone or even look at letters from what i heard.
i dont know if any of his other children are still living but christopher tolkien is the true scholar and the most anti social and least helpful from what i have heard described of him, i do not know for sure.

[Fintorah]

Off-topic: I tried to read Tolkien's books when I was younger. I couldn't get through them; Tolkien was always talking about brandy and mead, and I hate, hate, hate alcohol. Tolkien's drunkedness is probably the reason the books suck so bad. Be nice and let Pakis play hobbits; the movies suck too. If you want to see really good movies, watch Pathfinder or the classic Scorpion King movie.

[Pallantides]

Off-topic: I tried to read Tolkien's books when I was younger. I couldn't get through them; Tolkien was always talking about brandy and mead, and I hate, hate, hate alcohol. Tolkien's drunkedness is probably the reason the books suck so bad. Be nice and let Pakis play hobbits; the movies suck too. If you want to see really good movies, watch Pathfinder or the classic Scorpion King movie.
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Is this a joke.

[blan]

nerds...

my thoughts exactly, hahah i swear i have not read the books since i was a young lad, and the conversation has re lit a old passion stirring in the corners of the remnants of my 12 year old memory and being.
but i think the writer tolkien and his books raise interesting questions of social issues, linguistics, culture, and history.
i admit i do not know half of that these people are talking about, they seem to be writing there university thesis on the subject

[The Ripper]

Off-topic: I tried to read Tolkien's books when I was younger. I couldn't get through them; Tolkien was always talking about brandy and mead, and I hate, hate, hate alcohol. Tolkien's drunkedness is probably the reason the books suck so bad. Be nice and let Pakis play hobbits; the movies suck too. If you want to see really good movies, watch Pathfinder or the classic Scorpion King movie.

You need help.

[Fintorah]

You need help.

Whatever. I'll always swear by the fact that Troy is the greatest movie ever made. "Lord of the Rings" or what's his face doesn't even come close.
And 10,000 BC is probably the most historically accurate movie from 10,000 BC ever made too.

[Groenewolf]

There are no blacks or browns in Tolkien. Get used to it.

Is years ago since I read LOTR, however I do remember that there where blacks fighting in service of Sauron.

[blan]

Off-topic: I tried to read Tolkien's books when I was younger. I couldn't get through them; Tolkien was always talking about brandy and mead, and I hate, hate, hate alcohol. Tolkien's drunkedness is probably the reason the books suck so bad. Be nice and let Pakis play hobbits; the movies suck too. If you want to see really good movies, watch Pathfinder or the classic Scorpion King movie.

it is true old school english writers will spend 5 chapters giving description to a boiled dinner, or the condition of someones garden or lawn,
here let me try my hand at british writing.

((chapter one. God is a English man))

(( rudiger jones did have a very fine cottage overlooking the moreland country side. it was a stout little home made with the finest mortar and stones. we began our way to mr. jones home up a winding dirt path.
there was smoke coming from the chimney and the smell of fine hearty oak was filling our nostrils. there was a glimer of light in his old vale windows we stepped up to his door and wrapped lightly on the hard oak with a steel door knocker that rested in the mouth of a lion showing his family seal.
it was a fine door knocker that looks as if it was crafted in london by sir henry witney the best door knocker craftsmen in all the land i stopped a moment to admire the fine thatching on his roof.))

wow!! this is fun! maybe i can become a english writer.... well minus the typos i will get a ghost writer but maybe i can fool the world i am a old Victorian geezer.

[The Ripper]

Whatever. I'll always swear by the fact that Troy is the greatest movie ever made. "Lord of the Rings" or what's his face doesn't even come close.
And 10,000 BC is probably the most historically accurate movie from 10,000 BC ever made too.

You need to get sectioned.

[Fintorah]

You need to get sectioned.

Can't take the heat?

[The Ripper]

Can't take the heat?

And I forgot to say, you LOTR is not a movie. There exists a filmatization loosely based on Tolkien's work. ;)

[Fintorah]

And I forgot to say, you LOTR is not a movie. There exists a filmatization loosely based on Tolkien's work. ;)

You missed the point. The films suck. The books suck. Tolkien sucks. They're culturally irrelevant and ethnically divisive. It would do the world of bigots and control freaks a world of good to fill the damn thing with brown people. Just brown people for no damn reason. It would be healthy; it's a change that MUST TAKE PLACE! :coffee:

[The Ripper]

You missed the point. The films suck. The books suck. Tolkien sucks.

Tolkien sucks according to you, but it is I who missed the point? I can't say I'm in agreement! ;)

[Brynhild]

With all due respect but this part that I've highlighted stands out:


Off-topic: I tried to read Tolkien's books when I was younger. I couldn't get through them;

It's awfully hard to judge a book you haven't been able to complete, never mind comparing it to a movie which wasn't able to cover all the bases.


Tolkien was always talking about brandy and mead, and I hate, hate, hate alcohol. Tolkien's drunkedness is probably the reason the books suck so bad.

So, his observations of a time-honoured tradition of drinking made him a drunkard did it? You don't have to drink if you don't wish to, but not everybody would share this view.


Be nice and let Pakis play hobbits; the movies suck too. If you want to see really good movies, watch Pathfinder or the classic Scorpion King movie.

Movies like Psycho hold more appeal for me, but to each his own.

[Debaser11]

"I would love to be an extra," said Ms Humphreys.

It's not enough that they've stolen the white culture from within the countries they reside. Now these people want European myths and fantasies, too. They want whites totally and utterly disinfranchised and annihilated as people. Regarding this world: you can't have it, you whore. Not without a fight from some of us, anyways. It's our culture. Not yours! (That's right. We have culture too even if we're much more modest about it to the point that it's lost on your dumbass why all the hobbits in LotR or the people in Narnia are all so "beige.") The nerve of people like her who rub their culture in the faces of Europeans as they move to the Western world to even take up such a line. Nonwhites from her demographic constantly remind European peoples of how ethnic and exclusive they are but then cry "foul" the minute the tables are turned. It's bad enough I have to see J.M. Barrie's world raped by Disney marketing in the form of black, Mestizo, and Chinese fairies these days whenever Peter Pan mechanise is literally whored out or that the second Conan film had a disproportionate amount of blackness in it.



"But it just seemed like a shame because obviously hobbits are not brown or black or any other colour. They all look kind of homogenised beige and all derived from the Caucasian gene pool."

The horror. Any white person with a spine should be very offended by this gutter talk. Sounds like what the nonwhites and Marxists call "hate talk" when it's directed at anyone or any group that is not white. It's always white culture that is trashed as being "homogenized" or "plain" or "dull" or "too white." I never hear anyone say that BET is racist or that shows geared toward brown Latinos are too brown. That stuff is always "rich" and "a source of pride for *X* people."

This just goes to show that even left wing anti-racists are very racist at the core of it all. They just use disingenuous langauge to mask their agenda of destroying white culture while the honest white racists are hypocritically made into social pariahs. The anti-racists resent whites. Even white anti-racists. But whites have become so degraded by decadent materialist concerns and individualist vanity over all else that this gutter talk passes as civilized discourse while the slightest nonapologetic posturing by a white for who he is toward a nonwhite is obscene.


In 2010, a movie company should be representing all its viewers. It's not just going to be white people seeing The Hobbit, but people from all over the world.

Boohoo! That's right. It's 2010! Why can't you whites just forget you're an ethnicity with a heritage already! So should Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon have whites and blacks in it despite its setting? Should Hero, House of Flying Daggers, and Fist of Legend have Europeans and South Asians in it too? Remember all the hot air over The Last Samurai because Hollywood had the audacity to make the last samurai white? And in that movie, there was at least context and an explanation for Tom Cruise's ethnic anomaly. (It was meant to be ironic and was set during a time of European encroachment in Japan.) They didn't just throw Cruise into the movie to make whites feel good.

The fact of the matter is that Europeans and East Asians have deep, rich, beautiful cultures that people want to make movies out of and that audiences want to see. That is why whites in particular are so used to giving in. They're the ones that create all of the *good* stuff. So their stuff is constantly altered in modern movies (especially within the action/superhero genre that many lower IQ nonwhites have a propensity for enjoying over all other types of films). No one is stopping this cultural vandal from making a movie where people of her race would be more appropriate. But less people would probably want to see that movie.

Many of these nonwhites just think white culture should be public domain while they are allowed to keep their own little worlds especially for themselves. I would say go to Mordor, Ms Humphreys, but I don't want you there! So fuck you!

[Fintorah]

It's awfully hard to judge a book you haven't been able to complete, never mind comparing it to a movie which wasn't able to cover all the bases.


I don't read books, madam. I burn them. And you don't really owe me any respect. My post exists for the sole purpose of killing brain cells.

[Don Brick]

And 10,000 BC is probably the most historically accurate movie from 10,000 BC ever made too.

You must be a Troll-man from Far Harad...

[Wölfin]

Well judging by that photo they got the horse breed all wrong too. Not that they haven't been screwing up the equine casting for years now. It was only a matter of time that it extended to humans *eyeroll*

[Matritensis]

Off-topic: I tried to read Tolkien's books when I was younger. I couldn't get through them; Tolkien was always talking about brandy and mead, and I hate, hate, hate alcohol. Tolkien's drunkedness is probably the reason the books suck so bad. Be nice and let Pakis play hobbits; the movies suck too. If you want to see really good movies, watch Pathfinder or the classic Scorpion King movie.


Yeah,but you're 17.

[Fintorah]

Yeah,but you're 17.
Yeah, but I was being dead serious. My taste in movies is is transcendental.
:thumb001:

By the way, I actually think Momoa fits the mould better than Schwarzenegger did. Conan was supposed to be intelligent and incredibly strong; Arnold only fit one side of that description. Conan was also supposed to be quite tan and dark-haired.

And the fact that all the vixens appear to be pale and of European descent kind of irks me. And that Ron Perlman is starring in yet another movie (guess what his ethnicity is?)
http://media.comicmix.com/media/2008/10/31/perlmannosferatu.jpg

[Murphy]

Also, all of your complaints seem to circulate around the first movie, which is the worst of the three by far.

There are several problems throughout the entire film series like the Ents having to be tricked into marching to war (it gave me goosebumps in the book) or the complete butchering of the Battle of the Hornburg. Farimir was a noble man who didn't kidnap the hobbits and don't get me started on the trash that is the Battle of Pelennor Fields.

[Matritensis]

Action movies nowadays make me puke.The action in them is completely unrealistic and there are too many computer generated special effects.And the actors and actresses look all the same,and they are too young.Agh!

[Wölfin]

Action movies nowadays make me puke.The action in them is completely unrealistic and there are too many computer generated special effects.And the actors and actresses look all the same,and they are too young.Agh!

What I hate the most about action movies these days is the camerawork. They shake the camera back and forth up and down, twirl the lense around! To make it seem like a lot is happening when nothing is.

[Eldritch]

Off-topic: I tried to read Tolkien's books when I was younger. I couldn't get through them

Try again, now that you're grown up.


If you want to see really good movies, watch Pathfinder or the classic Scorpion King movie.

Pathfinder was a horrible, horrible, horrible, italicize horrible, capitalize HORRIBLE, underline horrible, bolden horrible movie.



Is years ago since I read LOTR, however I do remember that there where blacks fighting in service of Sauron.

The way they are described seems more like Middle Easterners or North Africans.

[Guapo]

You need help.

Yep, how can he hate alcohol?!!!@134

[Óttar]

it would be just as silly for a European to try to play in a Bollywood movie
There are goras every once in a while in Bollywood movies.

When I go see LOTR films I am amazed that they manage to keep the cast so Northern European. I think it's downright fantastic. Don't they realise that LOTR is all poor Whitey has left that he can call his own? :D

[Guapo]

Oh come on, where's your sense of humour?

See her meta-ethnicity.

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Treffie
We all know that Hollywood is rubbish at accurate depiction.

Maybe I read too much into it, but film is a great means of propaganda and, although it isn’t Hollywood’s duty to portray things accurately they do, none-the-less, influence peoples views and ideals, how many people get their history, for example, from WW2 movies?

Sure this is Conan, so people may shrug and think so what (after all name half a dozen people who have even read one of Howard’s books), I guess it depends on how familiar you are with the stories and what meaning they have for you.


Originally Posted by Óttar
When I go see LOTR films I am amazed that they manage to keep the cast so Northern European.

300 still amazes me, a couple of hours of white men chopping off Afro-Asian heads left, right and centre.

[Fintorah]

Pathfinder was a horrible, horrible, horrible, italicize horrible, capitalize HORRIBLE, underline horrible, bolden horrible movie.



You don't seem to understand my point. Pathfinder is a culturally and historically rich and accurate depiction of the Viking era. Add to that amazing acting, a top-notch soundtrack, and a storyline that makes Tolkien's works seem like a bedtime story, and you've got yourself one of the greatest movies ever made.

I might have to add that I've been being ridiculously sardonic and almost imperceptibly tongue in cheek regarding Tolkien's works... It's not like a have a leatherbound set of Tolkien's books sitting on my bookshelf... /end sardonicism. Nope, wait, I do. They were probably my favorite books when I was 11 or 12. I also have the collector's edition Blu-Ray set. I don't even let any dust get on them. I even own Christopher Tolkien's editions of JRR's works.

[la bombe]

Oh come on, where's your sense of humour? We all know that Hollywood is rubbish at accurate depiction.

The Prince Of Persia didn't look very Persian to me and neither did Perseus (Clash Of The Titans) look very Greek, In fact, I think Sam Worthington would have been better playing a Celtic hero.


Hollywood has been portraying ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Israelites, etc as WASPs for ages now. Let's all save our outrage for things that really matter, mmkay.

[Brynhild]

Hollywood has been portraying ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Israelites, etc as WASPs for ages now. Let's all save our outrage for things that really matter, mmkay.

Agreed. This is when I really value freedom of choice. If a movie appeals to me I watch it. If it doesn't, it's simple enough to ignore it.

[Pallantides]

You don't seem to understand my point. Pathfinder is a culturally and historically rich and accurate depiction of the Viking era. Add to that amazing acting, a top-notch soundtrack, and a storyline that makes Tolkien's works seem like a bedtime story, and you've got yourself one of the greatest movies ever made.
.

Lol that movie is extremly historicallly innacurate... please tell me you are joking?



the original Pathifinder is so much better:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fJJa9Ki7L.jpg
but thats the 12th century and the portognist is Saami and the antagonists are Chudes

[Debaser11]

Hollywood has been portraying ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Israelites, etc as WASPs for ages now. Let's all save our outrage for things that really matter, mmkay.

They were portrayed by WASPs because this country used to mostly be WASPs. And even when WASPs declined demographically after the Civil War and increased Euro immigration, the country until after WWII always maintained a WASPy sensibility. That is the spirit of this country. I know the leftists of today want us to forget that.

But this is all something today's whites to say nothing of the nonwhite masses have forgotten. Most of America's history is one which mostly involves people of Northern European descent. If a Japanese film company made a movie with some Chinese characters from a novel, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that they'd hire for even those roles ...yep, you guessed it! Japanese actors.

And if other races were somehow unfairly (a loaded word if there was one) left out in the past, that hardly makes the current negrofication of caucasian icons like Conan right. Blacks would scream "murder" if the reverse were done. But most of their literature is lame by comparison so there's no pressure from whites to be in their stuff. Whites aren't screaming to be in Waiting to Exhale or Boyz From The Hood.

And as someone else already pointed out, Robert E. Howard was a race conscious man himself. It's no coincidence that he made a character like Conan so closely resemble a Northern European. So why shouldn't we be upset that one of the greatest writers of all time is having his work desecreted by Hollywood to make niggers seem more cool? The man who made the character would probably have the same reservations with the casting as we do. So it does matter to some of us.

And why should we save our rage for something as arbitrary as what you deem to be of significance? The people that clicked on this thread obviously want to talk about the relevant subject at hand. If you think it's not important, why even post? I honestly never get these types of posts.

[la bombe]

Doesn't make it right. And why should we save our rage for something you think matters? The people that clicked on this thread obviously want to talk about the relevant subject at hand. If you think it's not important, why even post? I honestly never get these types of posts.

Er, I was referring to Svanhild and Treffie's posts about Conan the Barbarian and such. But since we apparently have to stick to the subject, the Paki lady in the OP should also take my advice and get over it. Filmmakers don't have to make 100% historically accurate choices, nor do they have to cater to anyone's political/racial agenda :shrug:

[Debaser11]

Er, I was referring to Svanhild and Treffie's posts about Conan the Barbarian and such. But since we apparently have to stick to the subject, the Paki lady in the OP should also take my advice and get over it. Filmmakers don't have to make 100% historically accurate choices, nor do they have to cater to anyone's political/racial agenda :shrug:

I didn't say you had to stick to the subject. I'm obviously not a mod. I just think it's silly to make light of a discussion two other people are having simply because you find it to be of less interest or whatever.

And yes, she should get over it. She's clearly a race baiter that overplayed her hand if even Facebook is having none of her.

[Grumpy Cat]

I should apply to be an extra in a movie about Shaka Zulu.

[Pallantides]

This is her:
http://www.portlandmercury.com/images/blogimages/2010/11/30/1291150491-naz_humphreys.jpeg

[The Lawspeaker]

Nope. Doesn't look like a Hobbit to me, NEXT.

[Pallantides]

Next they will also replace traditional elves just to appease the multicult crowd
http://home.comcast.net/~mithrandircq/images_new/Ecthelion_Glorfindel.jpg

with this
http://images.elfwood.com/art/k/e/kestrelmas/black_elf.jpg


I hate that in many new Fantasy RPG games there are a bunch of African looking elves and dwarves.

[Debaser11]

It's annoying. A white loser wandering around Meiji Japan in some fantasy literature would piss me off too. But that never happens. It's always the white world that has to bend. And then whites are told they have no culture. Yeah! It keeps getting stolen or appropriated to the public domain.

[Magister Eckhart]

Next they will also replace traditional elves just to appease the multicult crowd
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emithrandircq/images_new/Ecthelion_Glorfindel.jpg

with this
http://images.elfwood.com/art/k/e/kestrelmas/black_elf.jpg


I hate that in many new Fantasy RPG games there are a bunch of African looking elves and dwarves.

Wait, you mean there are actually Negro elves? I thought "Black Elf" just meant Drow, the corrupted elf-kin of the lower realms who are defined by lust for power and violence.

On a funny side-note, in the campaign setting I designed for D&D 3.5, the main race of High Elves were designed by a Spartan military society and an obsession with racial purity. It was a lot of fun running those campaigns; it never crossed my mind that there even could be a Negro elf-- usually the only Negroes were all humans (or half-elves, but that's because of the human cross-breeding).

[Pallantides]

I spotted a few black elves and dwarves in Dragon Age, there is also an Elf portrait in Neverwinter Nights wich is negro.

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Debaser11
A white loser wandering around Meiji Japan in some fantasy literature would piss me off too.

To be fair we did have the spectacle of Tom Cruise in Samurai armour.

[Debaser11]

Right. And whites themselves are the first ones to point out how ridiculous such a movie like The Last Samurai is as opposed to nonwhites who try to break open the doors to get into the whites only world. Almost every white person I know hates on honky playing samurai. I actually already commented about The Last Samurai in this thread because I figured it would come up. I hated the film. But at least there was context (an era of European encroachment within Japan) to explain Cruise. I think the film was trying to be ironic (a white guy is the last samurai!) while at the same time the producers probably were looking for a way to use a big name star (not too many of them are Asian men, unfortunately) in a samurai movie.

That said, I still hated it. But I'm consistent. The people who hate The Last Samurai for whitey's presence (and there are many) I doubt would all feel the same anger about a black Conan or a multi-ethnic Hobbit village.

It's interesting how old tales written by people like Tolkien force modern liberalism to come face to face with itself. The Shire is basically this idealic paradise for the people of Bilbo's race where community and solidarity exist second to none. The fact that it is all white should at least cause more thoughtful people who come into contact with his work (and others like it) to think about the value of a monoethnic society. Is it any coincidence that monoethnic societies feel like a snug security blanket next to an impersonal consumer culture materialist Marxist junk society like we all mostly live in today? Leftist scum that back the organizations this Paki woman represent are no doubt aware of this little inconvenient truth about monoethnic cultures and it's interesting that a seemingly innocent fantasy novel has become so subversive to the status quo.

[blan]

To be fair we did have the spectacle of Tom Cruise in Samurai armour.

yes but wasnt that story based on a real life event? it was not 2 thousand years ago before whites ever set foot in japan

[The Ripper]

Well Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai was rather insulting to intelligence in general, another example of Americans embellishing their role in Everything That Ever Occurred. :D

But I still liked the movie, Ken Watanabe is awesomesauce. Love the Nip accent.

[Debaser11]

Well Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai was rather insulting to intelligence in general, another example of Americans embellishing their role in Everything That Ever Occurred. :D

But I still liked the movie, Ken Watanabe is awesomesauce. Love the Nip accent.


Well, make your own movies! Geez. Your anti-American potshots know no bounds sometimes. Seriously. At almost every corner you seem to have a propensity to interject stuff against Americans that is virtually irrelevant to the discussion.

[The Ripper]

Well, make your own movies! Geez. Your anti-American potshots know no bounds sometimes. Seriously. At almost every corner you seem to have a propensity to interject stuff against Americans that is virtually irrelevant to the discussion.

Come on, it a was tongue-in-cheek jab directed at the way American protagonists in foreign settings usually end up being the shot-callers. An alcoholic army contractor becomes vice-general of the Samurai rebel army, masters the Japanese art of war in a few months, co-leads the last battle, presents the Japanese God-Emperor with the sword of his buddy, bringing peace to the lands of the Rising Sun, etc... ;)

I come from a culture of modesty, give me a break. :D

[Lars]

"In 2010, a movie company should be representing all its viewers. It's not just going to be white people seeing The Hobbit, but people from all over the world."

The movie company should not represent the viewers but the original that they base their movie on. If the people behind the movie have any integrity they would follow the book to the letter.

I can't stand all these retarded people and special interest groups whining over ridiculous stuff like this.

[Debaser11]

Come on, it a was tongue-in-cheek jab directed at the way American protagonists in foreign settings usually end up being the shot-callers.

Naturally. Who makes most of these films? Would it seem unnatural to you for a Finnish person to play hero in a foreign setting in a film that was produced in your country? I just think it's annoying (tongue-in-cheek always has a subtext) how it's open season on Americans here even among some Europeans.


An alcoholic army contractor becomes vice-general of the Samurai rebel army, masters the Japanese art of war in a few months, co-leads the last battle, presents the Japanese God-Emperor with the sword of his buddy, bringing peace to the lands of the Rising Sun, etc... ;)

Yeah. Definitely crap.


I come from a culture of modesty, give me a break. :D

Was this too tongue-in-cheek? Because such a proclamation in and of itself is certainly not modest especially in the context of defending a snide comment toward American sensibilities.



And not to get too far off the subject of colored intrusion on the LotR universe, but even on television here a white movie like The Wizard of Oz is promoted in commercials with black nigger music in the background. The music is anything but appropriate given that the movie is a family movie that mostly draws a white crowd for obvious reasons.

The music is basically meant to convey the following thought: "Oh snap! Lil white girl ain't in Kansas no mo!"
So they're making fun of the thing they are promoting (which is good and wholesome) with something that is vile and degenerate.
I guess that was the only way they could get blacks near the movie without remaking it. Just use them on the commercial bumper. But our culture is so pro-actively black that even people who just want to watch a simple family movie don't even notice these things anymore.

And a few months ago, I went to a local Renaissance festival. I'm surprised at how white they have been able to keep it given civil rights laws, actually. Of course, there was a token worker here or there that looked laughably out of place, but all in all I was pretty happy that it hadn't been made too PC yet (particularly since I had never been before). I do remember walking around though and being near this older black couple that said something like "where's the colored folk stuff at?" I guess they were oblivious to the fact that Europe is not their world. I don't go to Dinner At The Apollo or the 2010 HipHop Convention and wonder where whitey at. Knowwhatimsayin'?

But if they cave on The Hobbit (as it appears they may given that the casting director was fired even though Hobbits are white by definition), it will be another significant blow toward softening up an already perilously soft race of people.

[The Ripper]

Naturally. Who makes most of these films? Would it seem unnatural to you for a Finnish person to play hero in a foreign setting in a film that was produced in your country?

You miss my point. Which had to do with the perception we Finns and perhaps Europeans at large have of America as a land of excess, the biggest and the best, etc. Naturally, the protagonist in a popular movie also has to decisively influence history, as opposed to being swept along the great events of the time.


I just think it's annoying (tongue-in-cheek always has a subtext) how it's open season on Americans here even among some Europeans.

Let's not be too touchy. It was not meant to be offensive towards anyone. America is, because of her vast cultural and political presence, an obvious target, but I don't think you guys here get any more flak for being American than anyone else gets for being their nationality...


Yeah. Definitely crap.

Like I said, I enjoyed the movie. You just have to learn to filter the crappyness.


Was this too tongue-in-cheek? Because such a proclamation in and of itself is certainly not modest especially in the context of defending a snide comment toward American sensibilities.

No, I was being serious. Bragging is usually viewed rather poorly in Finnish culture. :/

[Lars]

Riippumatto

You can't use irony, sarcasm or cynicism when addressing Americans. They simply cannot understand it. It's an acquired taste we fine Northerners have perfected from many years of practice. Also, Americans are incredibly sensitive.

[Debaser11]

You miss my point. Which had to do with the perception we Finns and perhaps Europeans at large have of America as a land of excess, the biggest and the best, etc. Naturally, the protagonist in a popular movie also has to decisively influence history, as opposed to being swept along the great events of the time.

I'm aware you have this perception (along with some other posters). I would dare say it's *not* inacurrate, either. But singling us out for excesses your culture is no doubt guilty of to the capacity it is capable of being guilty is again, a tad annoying.

In other words, being singled out for how much our shit stinks when you guys seem to be pretty guilty of roughly the same on a smaller scale (Finns make up a smaller, less powerful country, afterall) is annoying and pretty counterproductive.



Let's not be too touchy. It was not meant to be offensive towards anyone.

Of course not. How can making negative insinuations about Americans be offensive, right? Only a touchy person would even perceive your remarks as I have, right? How many times do other members from different nations defend their countries for even smaller slights on this forum? (I see raging debates about phenotype.) Are they all just being touchy too? Well, I guess they are. But certainly there is a limit. I mean, I think we were on the wrong side of WWII and the Vietnam War and I think the Iraq invasion was wrong among other wars. So you're not conversing with someone who is a jingo.


America is, because of her vast cultural and political presence, an obvious target, but I don't think you guys here get any more flak for being American than anyone else gets for being their nationality...

Not geneally, no. But there are some people on this forum that no doubt throw everything wrong with the West onto America like a sacrificial lamb. And your comment about Americans just seems so typical from that subgroup.



Like I said, I enjoyed the movie. You just have to learn to filter the crappyness.

I do that. Otherwise, I'd hardly enjoy a movie period.



No, I was being serious. Bragging is usually viewed rather poorly in Finnish culture. :/

So telling me that your culture is modest while making a slight against another culture is modest? Or do you not embody your modest culture?

[Curtis24]

Yeah, but I was being dead serious. My taste in movies is is transcendental.
:thumb001:

By the way, I actually think Momoa fits the mould better than Schwarzenegger did. Conan was supposed to be intelligent and incredibly strong; Arnold only fit one side of that description. Conan was also supposed to be quite tan and dark-haired.

And the fact that all the vixens appear to be pale and of European descent kind of irks me. And that Ron Perlman is starring in yet another movie (guess what his ethnicity is?)
http://media.comicmix.com/media/2008/10/31/perlmannosferatu.jpg

...what is his type??

[The Ripper]

How many times do other members from different nations defend their countries for even smaller slights on this forum? (I see raging debates about phenotype.) Are they all just being touchy too?

Yes, I think they are. Those raging debates rage on ad infinitum without ever yielding anything productive.

But look. I have no beef with you, I think you're a top poster here at TA. I'm sorry if my remarks are offensive to some, its not intentional, its just how I am. :p

[Debaser11]

Riippumatto

You can't use irony, sarcasm or cynicism when addressing Americans. They simply cannot understand it. It's an acquired taste we fine Northerners have perfected from many years of practice. Also, Americans are incredibly sensitive.

You confuse "not getting irony" with me thinking some of you are boorish toward one culture. There's a difference. You're almost implying that if people like me weren't so dim, we'd get the wonderful humor behind such slights. I'll stop right here I guess.

[Debaser11]

Yes, I think they are. Those raging debates rage on ad infinitum without ever yielding anything productive.

But look. I have no beef with you, I think you're a top poster here at TA. I'm sorry if my remarks are offensive to some, its not intentional, its just how I am. :p

I really don't mean to come off as sensitive as much as I am trying to make a point (because I'm on a discussion board and like to jabber about things that are admittedly a bit subtle and that most people think are a waste of time). :) The last thing I want anyone to think is that I sulk around feeling sorry for myself or my country the way groups I hate do. If my country or if whites go the way of the dodo, it's because they deserve to. (Sort of a quasi appeal to some vague sense of natural law.) But I hate the victim game and I didn't mean to portray myself as such (but I guess I did to some extent to illicit the above from you). Had we been hanging out in person at some get together somewhere, I assure you that you wouldn't have heard probably anything from me about this matter. I'm actually much different in person than I am on this board.

I appreciate your kind remarks too. I just assume I piss most of the people off here most of the time (without meaning to). :) I agree with most of your posts, too. And even here on Apricity, I don't agree with most people's views. So I guess I came off as overly hostile toward you (when my beef is just this one point). Sorry about that.

[Fintorah]

...what is his type??

Jew, obviously. He's a borderline disgusting-looking white Hollywood actor who is constantly over-cast. The empire covers over 50% of Hollywood actors, baby! Even small screen actors, like the ones in the movie "Teeth", tend toward Jewish-ness. Which is why I now only watch foreign films.

[Magister Eckhart]

Well Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai was rather insulting to intelligence in general, another example of Americans embellishing their role in Everything That Ever Occurred. :D

But I still liked the movie, Ken Watanabe is awesomesauce. Love the Nip accent.

You're just jealous because the Finns can only fight well in the snow; we're awesome everywhere. :D



(:eek: A Yank can take a joke!?)

Don't be too hard on Debaser, you Eurocratists have a tendency to be very, very cruel in very unfair ways to America, and much of it does stem from a basic ignorance about our country-- while I know it was intended as a joke, I can certainly see where Debaser's chain has just gotten jerked too much by Europeans who do nothing but degrade and attack his native country. I am sure you would take no less kindly to regular attacks levelled against barbaric and stupid Finns and then augmented with a joke about Finland.

[Murphy]

I for one am not ignorant of your country. A hatred so fierce that I have for your country cannot be the product of ignorance as is often the case ;).

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by blan
yes but wasnt that story based on a real life event?

I wouldn’t have thought so.

[Beorn]

The Last Samurai combines real but disconnected historical situations, rather distant in time, into a single narrative. It also replaces the key Western actors of the period (especially the French) with American ones. Finally, it portrays a radical conflict between ancient and modern fighting methods, but in reality all sides of the conflict (the Satsuma Rebellion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsuma_Rebellion), and before it the Boshin War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boshin_War)) adopted modern equipment to various degrees. Indeed, firearms had been in use centuries earlier in Japan and played an important part in the civil wars that created the Tokugawa shogunate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_shogunate), but were later rejected as dishonorable and by the early 19th century the gunsmith's art had fallen into disuse. Many thematic, and visual elements of the film parallel the films of Akira Kurosawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_Kurosawa), specifically Seven Samurai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_samurai).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Samurai#Historical_background

A good film. I enjoyed it.

[Schubert]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Samurai#Historical_background

A good film. I enjoyed it.

too bad cruise is a scientology guy.. about the paki, well done audition jury

[Lurker]

or that the second Conan film had a disproportionate amount of blackness in it.


But Conan did adventure a lot in non-white lands, and he basically meets only blacks (and one white woman) in "Jewels of Gwahlur" and "Queen of the Black Coast". Again he meets only one white woman and several dark Native American-like people in "Red Nails".

Actually, lots of Conan adventures are set in no-white lands and, besides Tarzan and the Ghost, he's probably the fictional hero that spends the most time with blacks and non-whites. To sum up, I don't think Conan spending time with blacks or non-whites is out of character for him. But in the books, Robert E. Howard makes certain that we see that he has a low opinion of non-whites in general (and of civilized white men as well).

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Right. And whites themselves are the first ones to point out how ridiculous such a movie like The Last Samurai is as opposed to nonwhites who try to break open the doors to get into the whites only world. Almost every white person I know hates on honky playing samurai. I actually already commented about The Last Samurai in this thread because I figured it would come up. I hated the film. But at least there was context (an era of European encroachment within Japan) to explain Cruise. I think the film was trying to be ironic (a white guy is the last samurai!) while at the same time the producers probably were looking for a way to use a big name star (not too many of them are Asian men, unfortunately) in a samurai movie.

I thought Ken Watanabe was the last samurai, since he was the leader of the revolt against the Meiji government and fought with a katana against rifles. But I think the movie leaves it open to interpretation who exactly is the last samurai of the title.

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I thought Ken Watanabe was the last samurai, since he was the leader of the revolt against the Meiji government and fought with a katana against rifles. But I think the movie leaves it open to interpretation who exactly is the last samurai of the title.

I think you're right on in each of your posts.:thumb001: