DNA: Iberia and its islands

[Isleño]

I present you with a site that features the averages of the 23andme DNA results of 170 people from Spain and Portugal as well as their archipelagos (islands).

It's available in both Spanish or English, just click on the Spanish or British flag for language. There are maps showing genetic information as well as autosomal admixture analysis.

For maps and admixture analysis, click on the grey button/circle with the bar graph on it located to the upper left of the map on the home page. From there, there are three tabs listed "geographical data", "graphic data" and "samples. On those tabs you can view the result averages.

Enjoy.

http://iberiandna.com/

[Sikeliot]

Madeiras have more SSA than Canarians interestingly.

[Isleño]

Madeiras have more SSA than Canarians interestingly.

Yes, I figured that originally. Also, you can click on the particular bar of the population you are inquiring about and it will give the percentage.

[Isleño]

Madeiras have more SSA than Canarians interestingly.

It shows Madeira's average SSA to be 1.9% and Canary Islands to be 1.5%.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Very interesting, my region is the one that scores the highest British & Irish ancestry (along with Catalunha) in the Peninsula, also the highest Italian ancestry. Makes total sense with my 23andme scores.

[Isleño]

The population with the most Southern Euro DNA (96.2%) and least Northern Euro (3.1%) is Navarra, and the least Southern Euro (60.2%) and most Northern Euro (35.4%) is Cataluña.

[Isleño]

Very interesting, my region is the one that scores the highest British & Irish ancestry (along with Catalunha) in the Peninsula, also the highest Italian ancestry. Makes total sense with my 23andme scores.

What is your region again?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

The population with the most Southern Euro DNA (96.2%) and least Northern Euro (3.1%) is Navarra, and the least Southern Euro (60.2%) and most Northern Euro (35.4%) is Cataluña.

Sourthen Euro DNA in 23andme peaks in Basque people, so that makes sense.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

What is your region again?

Beira Interior.

[Isleño]

Sourthen Euro DNA in 23andme peaks in Basque people, so that makes sense.

This site has the average for Basque 94.6% Southern Euro and has Navarra 96.2% Southern Euro.

[Potentia]

What's with Catalonia having an incredibly high Broadly Northwestern Euro score?

[Isleño]

Beira Interior.

It has region average at 77.5 Southern Euro, 17.6% Northern Euro

[Isleño]

What's with Catalonia having an incredibly high Broadly Northwestern Euro score?

They are close to France.

[Bell Beaker]

Very interesting! :thumb001:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

This site has the average for Basque 94.6% Southern Euro and has Navarra 96.2% Southern Euro.

Navarra is the biggest region of Euskal Herria.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It has region average at 77.5 Southern Euro, 17.6% Northern Euro

https://s2.postimg.org/sfzbhd03d/viriato_ancestry.jpg


Incredibly accurate with my scores.

[Isleño]

Navarra is the biggest region of Euskal Herria.
Yes I know. I was referring to País Vasco, sorry.

[Isleño]

Incredibly accurate with my scores.
Yes, your result is very similar to the average.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Native Iberian members from TA who have done a 23andme test should enter in contact with this guy to know if it is possible to add our data.

[Isleño]

Native Iberian members from TA who have done a 23andme test should enter in contact with this guy to know if it is possible to add our data.
Yes, that's a good idea. I think this site was a good find. I just found it today.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

How are the averages of Canárias with your own scores?

[Isleño]

How are the averages of Canárias with your own scores?

Similar to the average here.

[Isleño]

Viriato, do you find 23andme to be one of the more accurate tests?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Differences between both nations European averages (with the samples provided):

Iberian ancestry:


Portugal: 63.9%
Spain: 66.7%

Italian ancestry:

Portugal: 4.1%
Spain: 3.7%

Sardinian ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.2%

Balkan ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.1%

Broadly Southern European:

Portugal: 14.2%
Spain: 12.2%

British\Irish ancestry:

Portugal: 3.1%
Spain: 2.7%

French\German ancestry:

Portugal: 1%
Spain: 1.3%

Scadinavian ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.1%

Finnish ancestry:

Portugal: 0%
Spain: 0%

Broadly Northwestern European:

Portugal: 8%
Spain: 8.1%

Ashkenazi ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.2%

Eastern European ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.1%

Broadly European:

Portugal: 4.2%
Spain: 3.9%

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Viriato, do you find 23andme to be one of the more accurate tests?

It is the only one I have done with a saliva sample but I do believe it is the best company according to what I have seen from others around here. Gedmatch calculators help you though understanding a bit more our ancestry.

[Cristiano viejo]

Navarra is the biggest region of Euskal Herria.
Euskal Herria does not exist nor existed ever.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Euskal Herria does not exist nor existed ever.

Of course it does exist...

[Isleño]

It is the only one I have done with a saliva sample but I do believe it is the best company according to what I have seen from others around here. Gedmatch calculators help you though understanding a bit more our ancestry.

I think it's good, but the calculators on gedmatch are more thorough. I think McDonald is the best though. You should send him your raw data, he may accept it. He doesn't except everyone, but it seems Spaniards and Portuguese interest him.

[alnortedelsur]

Differences between both nations European averages (with the samples provided):

Iberian ancestry:


Portugal: 63.9%
Spain: 66.7%

Italian ancestry:

Portugal: 4.1%
Spain: 3.7%

Sardinian ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.2%

Balkan ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.1%

Broadly Southern European:

Portugal: 14.2%
Spain: 12.2%

British\Irish ancestry:

Portugal: 3.1%
Spain: 2.7%

French\German ancestry:

Portugal: 1%
Spain: 1.3%

Scadinavian ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.1%

Finnish ancestry:

Portugal: 0%
Spain: 0%

Broadly Northwestern European:

Portugal: 8%
Spain: 8.1%

Ashkenazi ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.2%

Eastern European ancestry:

Portugal: 0.1%
Spain: 0.1%

Broadly European:

Portugal: 4.2%
Spain: 3.9%

Interesting. My 23Andme scores are more Italian (6.5%), noticeable more Eastern European (0.5% Vs none or almost none in full Iberians), more Balkan (0.7%), a bit more Ashkenazim (0.5%) and slightly more British (3.3%) than the 23AndMe Iberian averages.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I think it's good, but the calculators on gedmatch are more thorough. I think McDonald is the best though. You should send him your raw data, he may accept it. He doesn't except everyone, but it seems Spaniards and Portuguese interest him.

McDonald? It is the first time I am hearing about it.

[Cristiano viejo]

Of course it does exist...

Of course does not.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Of course does not.

Euskal Herria is the oldest documented Basque name for the area they inhabit, so how does it not exist as a region within Spain?

[Peterski]

And this map relies only on 23andMe results ???

This preference for 23andMe is annoying. I know that 23andMe is run by a Polish-American woman, but please understand - not everything that is Polish is superior. :D

I personally think that 23andMe is not so super good.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

This preference for 23andMe is annoying. I know that 23andMe is run by a Polish-American woman, but please understand - not everything that is run by us Pollocks is superior. :D

What would you advice instead?

[Peterski]

What would you advice instead?

They could make several versions of that map, and include also results from other companies. So we would be able to compare. A map based on some GEDmatch results would also be nice.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

They could make several versions of that map, and include also results from other companies. So we would be able to compare. A map based on some GEDmatch results would also be nice.

Yes, but I am guessing he is trying to make it simple so far. Not everyone is into anthropology or genetics and stuff like West Med, East Med, Atlantic, North Sea, ANE, ASE, WHG-UHG, etc, might be too confusing for the average person.

[Cristiano viejo]

Euskal Herria is the oldest documented Basque name for the area they inhabit, so how does it not exist as a region within Spain?

Euskal Herria is an invent of Basque nationalists and nothing else. They use this term with no clear definitions. Nor geographically (they include some Cantabrian and Castilian lands), nor lingusitically (Euskera ceased to exist in some areas of this so-called Euskal Herria some centuries ago) and much less anthropologically.

It is the same than the term Basque Country. I dislike this term because it never was or there is a country of Basque people, much less with the bordiers that nationalists pretend.

[Cristiano viejo]

And this map relies only on 23andMe results ???

This preference for 23andMe is annoying. I know that 23andMe is run by a Polish-American woman, but please understand - not everything that is Polish is superior. :D

I personally think that 23andMe is not so super good.
Something Polish is superior, I ask?

[Isleño]

McDonald? It is the first time I am hearing about it.

He's a professor at the University of Illinois. He has a very good BGA analysis test, very accurate and sensitive.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Something Polish is superior, I ask?

Biedronka, the largest chain of supermarkets in Poland. Ah never mind, it is owned by a Portuguese :D

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

He's a professor at the University of Illinois. He has a very good BGA analysis test, very accurate and sensitive.

How can I contact him then? Does he have a blog\website?

[Isleño]

Interesting. My 23Andme scores are more Italian (6.5%), noticeable more Eastern European (0.5% Vs none or almost none in full Iberians), more Balkan (0.7%), a bit more Ashkenazim (0.5%) and slightly more British (3.3%) than the 23AndMe Iberian averages.
It's just an average. There may be a Spaniard with something similar to what you have.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Euskal Herria is an invent of Basque nationalists and nothing else. They use this term with no clear definitions. Nor geographically (they include some Cantabrian and Castilian lands), nor lingusitically (Euskera ceased to exist in some areas of this so-called Euskal Herria some centuries ago) and much less anthropologically.

It is the same than the term Basque Country. I dislike this term because it never was or there is a country of Basque people, much less with the bordiers that nationalists pretend.

Meh, you're too sensitive. I was just talking about a region that is known as Euskal Herria, didn't have anything to do with Basque nationalism.

[Isleño]

And this map relies only on 23andMe results ???

This preference for 23andMe is annoying. I know that 23andMe is run by a Polish-American woman, but please understand - not everything that is Polish is superior. :D

I personally think that 23andMe is not so super good.
It's not a preference for everyone. But many people here have tested with them. So I posted this site for to show averages for Iberia and it's Islands.

[Cristiano viejo]

Meh, you're too sensitive. I was just talking about a region that is known as Euskal Herria, didn't have anything to do with Basque nationalism.

ONLY Basque nationalists call Euskal Herria to Vascongadas. And not even as a rule. Euskadi is enough for most of them.

[Isleño]

They could make several versions of that map, and include also results from other companies. So we would be able to compare. A map based on some GEDmatch results would also be nice.

But it's not for gedmatch results. It's specifically for 23andme.

[Isleño]

Yes, but I am guessing he is trying to make it simple so far. Not everyone is into anthropology or genetics and stuff like West Med, East Med, Atlantic, North Sea, ANE, ASE, WHG-UHG, etc, might be too confusing for the average person.

Gedmatch is way to confusing for the average person. I had to help many people online figure out what their results mean. That's time consuming.

[Cristiano viejo]

Biedronka, the largest chain of supermarkets in Poland. Ah never mind, it is owned by a Portuguese :D

Never heard about that. Well, being totally honest Poland is one of the countries in the world that Spanish people must care less, because we know very very very few things about that country, probably because there are very very very few Polish things to care...

[Isleño]

How can I contact him then? Does he have a blog\website?

I can message you his email address.

[Sikeliot]

It shows Madeira's average SSA to be 1.9% and Canary Islands to be 1.5%.

I have seen Madeirans with higher than this.

[Isleño]

I have seen Madeirans with higher than this.

Of course. But remember this is an average. There will be those with higher and those with lower. This is the median.

[Damião de Góis]

Good website but a lot of the regions have sample size of 1.

[Isleño]

Good website but a lot of the regions have sample size of 1.

Yes out of 28 regions, 8 have a sample size of 1. If you are in one of those regions, send him your results. Most of them have more than that though. I'm Canarian descent so I was here to look at the Canarian sample and there are 10 results in the Canarian sample. Andalucía has like 21.

[Damião de Góis]

Yes out of 28 regions, 8 have a sample size of 1. If you are in one of those regions, send him your results. Most of them have more than that though. I'm Canarian descent so I was here to look at the Canarian sample and there are 10 results in the Canarian sample. Andalucía has like 21.

21 is kind of low too. Most regions are not even 10 and most are under 5.


Andalucía 21
Galicia 14
Islas Canarias 10
Entre Douro e Minho 8
País Vasco 6
Asturias 5
Castilla-La Mancha 5
Castilla y León 5
Extremadura 5
Comunidad Valenciana 4
Beira Litoral 4
Algarve 3
Cataluña 3
Beira Interior 3
Azores 3
Tras-os-Montes e Alto Douro 2
Aragón 1
Islas Baleares 1
Lisboa e Setúbal 1
Murcia 1
Cantabria 1
Madeira 1
Estremadura e Ribatejo 1
Navarra 1
La Rioja 0
Alentejo 0
Comunidad de Madrid 0

But you got to start from somewhere i guess.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Zero from Alentejo, Endovélico. Maybe you're the first Alentejano ever doing 23andme.

[Isleño]

21 is kind of low too. Most regions are not even 10 and most are under 5.



But you got to start from somewhere i guess.
Bro, he's an amateur like us, not a professional conducting a study. He just put together a site on what he's gathered so far. Send him yours if you want to help him grow it. His contact info is on the site. I think it's pretty good for what it is. It's better than nothing.

[Bell Beaker]

Zero from Alentejo, Endovélico. Maybe you're the first Alentejano ever doing 23andme.

There are only 500,000 inhabitants living in Alentejo, and even if the Setubal areas have a lot of people with ancestry from there, most of them are descendants and many mixed with ancestry from other regions (Mainly Tras os Montes and Beiras interiores).

That's why the North African admixture in Portugal is overestimated, the samples used in South Portugal (mostly Alentejo and Algarve) do not reflect the porpotion of Southern Portugal among the total population of the country.

[Isleño]

There are only 500,000 inhabitants living in Alentejo, and even if the Setubal areas have a lot of people with ancestry from there, most of them are descendants and many mixed with ancestry from other regions (Mainly Tras os Montes and Beiras interiores).

That's why the North African admixture in Portugal is overestimated, the samples used in South Portugal (mostly Alentejo and Algarve) do not reflect the porpotion of Southern Portugal among the total population of the country.
I explained to him it is an amateur like us that put the site together, not a professional study. If people want to contribute to his sample sizes, his contact info is on the site.

[Sebastianus Rex]

23andme and its ridiculous components and methodology...as good as shit.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

There are only 500,000 inhabitants living in Alentejo, and even if the Setubal areas have a lot of people with ancestry from there, most of them are descendants and many mixed with ancestry from other regions (Mainly Tras os Montes and Beiras interiores).

That's why the North African admixture in Portugal is overestimated, the samples used in South Portugal (mostly Alentejo and Algarve) do not reflect the porpotion of Southern Portugal among the total population of the country.

I also live in Lisbon but I am going to tell him that both my parents and grandparents are from Beira Interior, so he should add my results to Beira Interior if he wants to. Perhaps other people did the same.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

23andme and its ridiculous components and methodology...as good as shit.

http://memes.ucoz.com/_nw/55/37980720.jpg

xD

[Damião de Góis]

There are only 500,000 inhabitants living in Alentejo, and even if the Setubal areas have a lot of people with ancestry from there, most of them are descendants and many mixed with ancestry from other regions (Mainly Tras os Montes and Beiras interiores).

That's why the North African admixture in Portugal is overestimated, the samples used in South Portugal (mostly Alentejo and Algarve) do not reflect the porpotion of Southern Portugal among the total population of the country.

Which run or study are you talking about? On Eurogenes or Dodecad the portuguese sample was not big. And up to a point i knew i was the only southerner there.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

There are only 500,000 inhabitants living in Alentejo, and even if the Setubal areas have a lot of people with ancestry from there, most of them are descendants and many mixed with ancestry from other regions (Mainly Tras os Montes and Beiras interiores).

Indeed. If you think the population density today in Portugal is biased towards the North, check out how it was before:

https://s26.postimg.org/fm6kbxra1/Distribuicao_Populacao_Portugal_1801.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/exxpszsk9/Distribuicao_Populacao_Portugal_1849.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Indeed. If you think the population density today in Portugal is biased towards the North, check out how it was before:

While that is true, the genetic differences in Portugal are most likely minimal from North to South to be honest. It only looks in this website to be quite different from region to region because of the few samples. When it has thousands of samples for each region, the differences will probably be minimal.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

While that is true, the genetic differences in Portugal are most likely minimal from North to South to be honest. It only looks in this website to be quite different from region to region because of the few samples. When it has thousands of samples for each region, the differences will probably be minimal.

Yes, but that's what I'm saying... Most southern Portuguese today came from the North.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Yes, but that's what I'm saying... Most southern Portuguese today came from the North.

Are your results on the average of your region?

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

Are your results on the average of your region?

No, but my parents are from two different regions.

[Bell Beaker]

I also live in Lisbon but I am going to tell him that both my parents and grandparents are from Beira Interior, so he should add my results to Beira Interior if he wants to. Perhaps other people did the same.

People like you and me, at least in my age are already somewhat rare, most people now have a parent from a region and a mother from another one, and many people have parents who are already born in Lisbon or nearby.

I never met a case like me tough, my ancestry being from only a pair of villages seperated by a few miles.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

People like you and me, at least in my age are already somewhat rare, most people now have a parent from a region and a mother from another one, and many people have parents who are already born in Lisbon or nearby.

I never met a case like me tough, my ancestry being from only a pair of villages seperated by a few miles.

Both my parents villages are on a range of 12 km. By mere coincidence (since we've met in Lisbon) my girlfriend's parents are also from the region nearby (25 km of distance).

[Bell Beaker]

Both my parents villages are on a range of 12 km. By mere coincidence (since we've met in Lisbon) my girlfriend's parents are also from the region nearby (25 km of distance).

My parents village are the same..... ;)

[Damião de Góis]

My parents are also from nearby villages. Nothing out of the ordinary if you have ancestry from rural places.

[Sikeliot]

I could add Madeirans to the sample but the SSA will go up.

[Damião de Góis]

I could add Madeirans to the sample but the SSA will go up.

You would skew the sample because your madeirans are not really madeirans.

[Isleño]

Which run or study are you talking about? On Eurogenes or Dodecad the portuguese sample was not big. And up to a point i knew i was the only southerner there.

Portuguese sample on Dodecad 12b spreadsheet is only 9 results. The average is as follows:

Gedrosia- 6%
Siberian- 0%
Northwest African- 7.7%
Southeast Asian- 0%
Atlantic Med- 47.5%
North European- 22.3%
South Asian- 0.9%
East African- 0.1%
Southwest Asian- 5%
East Asian- 0%
Caucuses- 9.7%
Sub-Saharan- 0.7%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWhNZcfTQ2hMSK9Ni1IqG7aXHB00SRE5L6ED2osPs9M/htmlview

[Isleño]

I could add Madeirans to the sample but the SSA will go up.

If you have legit madeirans from Madeira itself, add them.

[Isleño]

You would skew the sample because your madeirans are not really madeirans.

Where are his Madeirans from?

[Sikeliot]

Where are his Madeirans from?

Madeira and people in the US with 2 parents from there.

[Isleño]

Madeira and people in the US with 2 parents from there.

I wouldn't add any Americans, because you never know. It has to be people from Madeira.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

If you have legit madeirans from Madeira itself, add them.

No, he shouldn't add them, he constantly forges results/has an agenda and gets banned from every respectable genetics forum for actually doing it, and only enters there again with one of the million sock accounts he has.

[Damião de Góis]

Where are his Madeirans from?

He sent them to me once. It's americans with dubious surnames, but their SSA are inline with his beliefs (that Madeirans descend from slaves) so they are legit Madeirans to him.

[Isleño]

No, he shouldn't add them, he constantly forges results/has an agenda and gets banned from every respectable genetics forum for actually doing it, and only enters there again with one of the million sock accounts he has.

Oh, wow. I did not know that.

[Isleño]

He sent them to me once. It's americans with dubious surnames, but their SSA are inline with his beliefs (that Madeirans descend from slaves) so they are legit Madeirans to him.
I wouldn't send any Americans, it has to be actual Madeirans from Madeira. That goes for any region involved here. Must be natives of that region.

[Sikeliot]

No, he shouldn't add them, he constantly forges results/has an agenda and gets banned from every respectable genetics forum for actually doing it, and only enters there again with one of the million sock accounts he has.

Excuse me? I didn't get banned on any site for those reasons. I am back on Anthrogenica, also. I was banned there for duplicate posting (i.e. posting the same things in multiple threads).

[Sikeliot]

Oh, wow. I did not know that.

Don't listen to him. He is wrong. Also, I have no sockpuppet accounts anywhere.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

Excuse me? I didn't get banned on any site for those reasons. I am back on Anthrogenica, also. I was banned there for duplicate posting (i.e. posting the same things in multiple threads).

Why are you banned a million times from the eupedia forum? For double posting?

Yes you were unbanned from Anthrogenica from what I've seen. Not that you needed to, you do the same thing with the fished account, and others surely.

[Isleño]

Don't listen to him. He is wrong. Also, I have no sockpuppet accounts anywhere.
Still, just for the sake of authenticity, I wouldn't submit any results from an American, because you never know. I would only submit results of a native of those regions. And I wouldn't submit any native results unless I had permission from the person that took the test.

[Sikeliot]

Why are you banned a million times from the eupedia forum? For double posting?

Yes you were unbanned from Anthrogenica from what I've seen. Not that you needed to, you do the same thing with the fished account, and others surely.

1. I was not banned at Eupedia, I left voluntarily. If I have been banned it is in the last 24 hours and I don't know about it! I left because it's an intellectual desert, not because of anything else.
2. I have NO SOCKPUPPETS ANYWHERE. Stop saying this, you have no proof nor does anyone else. It isn't true. I am never afraid to say exactly how I feel and I always resolve any issues, so no need for them.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

1. I was not banned at Eupedia, I left voluntarily. If I have been banned it is in the last 24 hours and I don't know about it! I left because it's an intellectual desert, not because of anything else.

"Left voluntarily" lol. Angela kept banning you. You left cause you were constantly being banned.


2. I have NO SOCKPUPPETS ANYWHERE. Stop saying this, you have no proof nor does anyone else. It isn't true. I am never afraid to say exactly how I feel and I always resolve any issues, so no need for them.

Oh god, sorry, I thought that the fished account on Anthrogenica, that constantly posts Sicilians, has a hard-on for Madeirans, knows every detail about West Sicilians and East Sicilians, Island Greeks, continental Greeks, etc., was you, but now that you denied it, gosh, it surely isn't true.

[Sikeliot]

"Left voluntarily" lol. Angela kept banning you. You left cause you were constantly being banned.



Oh god, sorry, I thought that the fished account on Anthrogenica, that constantly posts Sicilians, has a hard-on for Madeirans, knows every detail about West Sicilians and East Sicilians, Island Greeks, continental Greeks, etc., was you, but now that you denied it, gosh, it surely isn't true.


No, that person is not me. You can go ask them to check the IP address if you do not believe me. Moreover, Angela never banned me. She and I do not get along and I will not pretend otherwise, but I have not been banned. So you can stop with the rumors.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

No, that person is not me. You can go ask them to check the IP address if you do not believe me. Moreover, Angela never banned me. She and I do not get along and I will not pretend otherwise, but I have not been banned. So you can stop with the rumors.

Errr, buddy I've talked to Angela before, I know why she bans you.

Anyway, I never once said anything about your behavior. Only in this case, cause I don't want to see what seems to be a good project ruined.

[Cristiano viejo]

1. I was not banned at Eupedia, I left voluntarily. If I have been banned it is in the last 24 hours and I don't know about it! I left because it's an intellectual desert, not because of anything else.
2. I have NO SOCKPUPPETS ANYWHERE. Stop saying this, you have no proof nor does anyone else. It isn't true. I am never afraid to say exactly how I feel and I always resolve any issues, so no need for them.

lol Apricity must be not very different than that forum, my friend.

[Potentia]

They are close to France.

Well, shit.

Maybe, that's why Catalonians look more Northern Euro than their Western Iberian counterparts.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Well, shit.

Maybe, that's why Catalonians look more Northern Euro than their Western Iberian counterparts.

That's not really true to be honest.

[Potentia]

That's not really true to be honest.

I mean, I've never been to Spain. However, from what I've seen, the Catalonians tend to have more lighter phenotypes. Which, would make sense, given that they have a higher amount of NW Euro Ancestry.

[alnortedelsur]

I mean, I've never been to Spain. However, from what I've seen, the Catalonians tend to have more lighter phenotypes. Which, would make sense, given that they have a higher amount of NW Euro Ancestry.


There are plenty of lighter phenotypes among ethnic Portuguese, Galicians, and other western Spaniards. I don't think Catalans are lighter.

[Potentia]

There are plenty of lighter phenotypes among ethnic Portuguese, Galicians, and other western Spaniards. I don't think Catalans are lighter.

There very well could be!

But, their extra NW European DNA has to influence somewhere, right? I think, that Catalonians, while looking like Spaniards, tend to have a bit less pigment than the rest.

[Isleño]

Well, shit.

Maybe, that's why Catalonians look more Northern Euro than their Western Iberian counterparts.
Well they can and there are those that do, but there are also those that don't. Just because someone is a 60% S.Euro/ 40% N.Euro mix doesn't mean they will always have a phenotype that is highly influenced by the 40%. DNA is a tricky thing. One could have a very S.Euro phenotype and another could have a phenotype that shows N.Euro influence. Also, we must take into consideration that natural selection could have taken place. And that in itself could lead to a favorable bias toward an Iberian phenotype during the evolutionary history of Cataluña.

[Lucas]

I present you with a site that features the averages of the 23andme DNA results of 170 people from Spain and Portugal as well as their archipelagos (islands).

It's available in both Spanish or English, just click on the Spanish or British flag for language. There are maps showing genetic information as well as autosomal admixture analysis.

For maps and admixture analysis, click on the grey button/circle with the bar graph on it located to the upper left of the map on the home page. From there, there are three tabs listed "geographical data", "graphic data" and "samples. On those tabs you can view the result averages.

Enjoy.

http://iberiandna.com/

I found it before. Nice. Wonder to do that for Poland by myself.

[de Burgh II]

This makes me think that they used Basque samples as the primary sample that defines "Iberians." That shows in the genetic Atlas where it peaks in Pais Vasco and Navarre. Then, it drops considerably once you gets out of Basque territory. Which may be reminiscent over the fact that native Iberians later mixed with Celtic tribes and other influences that makes the percentages drop in terms of the "Iberian" distinctiveness genetically speaking.

[caviezel]

wow, no wonder Catalonia is the most properous part of the country if they have all that northern dna that improves their IQ!

[Friends of Oliver Society]

wow, no wonder Catalonia is the most properous part of the country if they have all that northern dna that improves their IQ!

The region that scores the highest IQ is Castilla y Leon. A large portion of the population of Catalunya is from other regions (especially Andalusia).

[Bell Beaker]

wow, no wonder Catalonia is the most properous part of the country if they have all that northern dna that improves their IQ!

I think it's Madrid, not Catolonia.

[Cristiano viejo]

I mean, I've never been to Spain. However, from what I've seen, the Catalonians tend to have more lighter phenotypes. Which, would make sense, given that they have a higher amount of NW Euro Ancestry.
No, Catalans are not the lightest Spaniards, so this stupidity of the NW Euro ancestry means nothing.


wow, no wonder Catalonia is the most properous part of the country if they have all that northern dna that improves their IQ!
Catalonia is the most indebted Spanish region and it is not the most prosperous part of the country. Madrid, Navarra, Vascongadas and Balearic Islands are.

Neither the IQ of Catalans is the higher.

Where do you get your sources, in CNN? :lol00002:

[Potentia]

No, Catalans are not the lightest Spaniards, so this stupidity of the NW Euro ancestry means nothing.

Ah, I see.

If I may ask, what is the lightest part of Spain? The Basques?

[Cristiano viejo]

Ah, I see.

If I may ask, what is the lightest part of Spain? The Basques?

That the myth says.
Real life is that there are not differences between regions.

But if I would have to pick any region I would say Galicia (it is where I have noticed there are more blondes. Skin colour is similar here and there around the country.). Although I insist, no real differences really.

[Enflamme]

There very well could be!

But, their extra NW European DNA has to influence somewhere, right? I think, that Catalonians, while looking like Spaniards, tend to have a bit less pigment than the rest.

Why do not you talk about facial features, mensuration, etc.?

Are you obsessed with pigmentation?

You know that the difference is ESSENTIALLY in the facial features?

Speaks of the features of the face, the shape of the skull, the nose, the forehead, & c.

I am waiting for you.

[FilhoV]

I have yet to test with 23 and me but that's the next test I plan on taking a test and with every other company.

What is the look of the Azorean results at Isleño? Pretty sure it's close to the continental Portuguese as our Gedmatch numbers are identical

[FilhoV]

Found one of Miguel Silva who is a member of the Facebook group Azores genealogy


https://youtu.be/zPY0XhFNd5M

100% European.

[Isleño]

I have yet to test with 23 and me but that's the next test I plan on taking a test and with every other company.

What is the look of the Azorean results at Isleño? Pretty sure it's close to the continental Portuguese as our Gedmatch numbers are identical
From what I've seen, Azoreans are similar to Portuguese from the Iberian Peninsula. The one that differs a bit is those from Madeira, but not by much.

[Isleño]

That the myth says.
Real life is that there are not differences between regions.

But if I would have to pick any region I would say Galicia (it is where I have noticed there are more blondes. Skin colour is similar here and there around the country.). Although I insist, no real differences really.
This is what I've seen on my trips to the peninsula. Very accurate.