LivingDNA Autosomal results

[Dibran]

Results as follows for Complete/Standard/Cautious.

Complete:

65587

Standard:

65588

Cautious:

65596

Through history report(continued in following post)

Age of Discovery:

65590

The Middle Ages:

65591

[Dibran]

Results as follows for Complete/Standard/Cautious.

Complete:

65587

Standard:

65588

Cautious:

65589

Through history report(continued in following post)

Age of Discovery:

65590

The Middle Ages:

65591

The Great Migration:

65592

The Iron Age:

65593

The Bronze Age:

65594

Early Indo-Europeans:

65595

[Peterski]

Really cool thing, I'm also waiting for my LivingDNA results.

Did you transfer your raw data or did you buy a new kit ???

[Kelmendasi]

South asian is probably bullshit since this is the only test that shows it for you so I wouldn't take it seriously

[Dibran]

Really cool thing, I'm also waiting for my LivingDNA results.

Did you transfer your raw data or did you buy a new kit ???

I ordered the kit direct. I am not sure they do transfers yet. Though I am sure it will be included in the future.

[Dibran]

South asian is probably bullshit since this is the only test that shows it for you so I wouldn't take it seriously

It is probably nothing. Though, my father scores <.1 of it on 23 lmao

[Lek]

Interesting results. No Slavic but some Germanic?

I wanna try this but dont know how legit these different components really are... what is even west balkans etc and how did they make such clusters.

Also their Aegean etc

[Kelmendasi]

It is probably nothing. Though, my father scores <.1 of it on 23 lmao
Lol, 23andme and MyOrigins go further back and give you no south Asian but this gives you 2.1%. Just from this you can tell that there is a flaw with some parts of this test

[Peterski]

"West Balkan" is Slavic. Looks like you had some Croatian ancestor(s) 500 years ago.

As for British Isles, I have heard that they overestimate this component. Because they have much more samples from there than from any other region (LivingDNA is a British-centric test).

[Kelmendasi]

Interesting results. No Slavic but some Germanic?

I wanna try this but dont know how legit these different components really are... what is even west balkans etc and how did they make such clusters.

Also their Aegean etc
Their West Balkan category is full on bullshit, it includes northwestern Albania with the Slavic countries but not with the rest of Albania, same thing for northeastern Balkan which includes Kosova and the kukes county of Albania with eastern Balkan countries. The only good reference that they have for Albanians is Aegean I guess

[Kelmendasi]

"West Balkan" is Slavic. Looks like you had some Croatian ancestor(s) 500 years ago.
But yet for some weird reason they included northwestern Albania :picard1:. This company doesnt seem legit anymore imo

[Peterski]

This map shows that you had some ancestor(s) from Croatia 500 years ago, right?:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=65590&d=1499373989


But yet for some weird reason they included northwestern Albania :picard1:.

But I'm talking about those maps with dots (see above, the map for 500 years ago).

[Dibran]

Interesting results. No Slavic but some Germanic?

I wanna try this but dont know how legit these different components really are... what is even west balkans etc and how did they make such clusters.

Also their Aegean etc

I didnt score any Germanic. Some Scandinavian and British/Wales. There is a slight chance(if my why goes further down) that it could be the Scandinavian branch. Some oral history claims the clan we originate from were Condottieri from Italy. So anything between germanic scandinavian or slavic would be possible I presume.

Aegean is mostly Greece and southern Albania. I think northern albania is split between west balkan(Malesia Madhe) and East Balkan(kosova and part of northeast Albania.

[Dibran]

This map shows that you had some ancestor(s) from Croatia 500 years ago, right?:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=65590&d=1499373989

I would think so?

Though oral history states we descend from a Condottieri from Italy, hired by Skanderbeg to fight the Ottomans. they settled in northwest Albania.

[Kelmendasi]

I didnt score any Germanic. Some Scandinavian and British/Wales. There is a slight chance(if my why goes further down) that it could be the Scandinavian branch. Some oral history claims the clan we originate from were Condottieri from Italy. So anything between germanic scandinavian or slavic would be possible I presume.

Aegean is mostly Greece and southern Albania. I think northern albania is split between west balkan(Malesia Madhe) and East Balkan(kosova and part of northeast Albania.
Scandinavians are Germanic. Aegean also covers northern Albania but only some of it. I think the Albanians from Malesi and northeast Albania are also included in Aegean

[Dibran]

But yet for some weird reason they included northwestern Albania :picard1:. This company doesnt seem legit anymore imo

considering 23 just blankets us all under Balkan, I wouldnt say they lost legitmacy. They if anything are already ahead of the game. Especially since 23 announced health and illnesses as their new focus. LivingDNA is new. They will get better and better.

Perhaps it is as Litvin suggested, considering i only get 7 percent or so west balkan and mostly Aegean. Albanians probably would get more Aegean. Maybe northern Albanians more west balkan. East Balkan registers on the Cautious not much else in other modes.

[Lek]

This map shows that you had some ancestor(s) from Croatia 500 years ago, right?:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=65590&d=1499373989



But I'm talking about those maps with dots (see above, the map for 500 years ago).

So his ancestors came from Greece and Italy?

If we could test more Albanians on this to see if its legit. If they get same resultsitsobv bullshit. There wasnt a large migration of greeks and italians into north albania/albania, it was rather the opposite. Arvanite/Arbereshe/Arbanas into Italy, Greece and Croatia within last 500 years. And also into Turkey and Ukraine.

Whats funny, it seems to depict the migratorial patterns of Albanians within last 500 years into other countries.

[Dibran]

So his ancestors came from Greece and Italy?

If we could test more Albanians on this to see if its legit. If they get same resultsitsobv bullshit. There wasnt a large migration of greeks and italians into north albania/albania, it was rather the opposite. Arvanite/Arbereshe/Arbanas into Italy, Greece and Croatia within last 500 years. And also into Turkey and Ukraine.

From their website, they state that each dot represents a person you share a segment with, and then how far back(further back more interrelated). My closest matches were in Greece and Albania, which would be part of the Age of Discovery.

Also you are right, many Arvanites went to greece italy and Arbanas to Croatia.

[Kelmendasi]

considering 23 just blankets us all under Balkan, I wouldnt say they lost legitmacy. They if anything are already ahead of the game. Especially since 23 announced health and illnesses as their new focus. LivingDNA is new. They will get better and better.

Perhaps it is as Litvin suggested, considering i only get 7 percent or so west balkan and mostly Aegean. Albanians probably would get more Aegean. Maybe northern Albanians more west balkan. East Balkan registers on the Cautious not much else in other modes.
I would be willing to bet that even the most northwestern Albanian will score more Aegean. Your mother is from Malesi but you still only get 7% west Balkan. Northwestern Albanians and northeastern Albanians are the same as the Albanians under Aegean which is why I nelieve that they will still register under Aegean even though they are grouped differently. Your Asian is complete bullshit

[Peterski]

So his ancestors came from Greece and Italy?

Weren't there many ethnic Albanians in Greece?

[Peterski]

I would think so?

Though oral history states we descend from a Condottieri from Italy, hired by Skanderbeg to fight the Ottomans. they settled in northwest Albania.

You also have some Italian matches 500 years ago as well.

Weren't Croats often fighting as mercenaries at that time?

Croats were even settled in Burgenland as military settlers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgenland_Croats#History

[Dibran]

I would be willing to bet that even the most northwestern Albanian will score more Aegean. Your mother is from Malesi but you still only get 7% west Balkan. Northwestern Albanians and northeastern Albanians are the same as the Albanians under Aegean which is why I nelieve that they will still register under Aegean even though they are grouped differently. Your Asian is complete bullshit

Dont forget my mother is descended from Arvanites in the Peloponnese. Also her Paternal Grandmother may have been Tosk, as the surname is not common in the north(Pitsari). I wouldnt call it bullshit. Most unlikey sure. However, no one can keep a full dossier on everyone that intermarries in their family over history. Chances are some could slip by I reckon. Is it any less strange than Scandinavian?

[Lek]

And i dont think west balkan is slavic when it includes north Albania but not northern slavs

Slavic would be something that peaks in north slavs and that was brought into Balkans by Slavic migrations and would , in the balkans, also peak in south slavs who also asimilated indigenous people.. how the fuck can there even be such components... :picard1:

[Dibran]

Weren't there many ethnic Albanians in Greece?

Yes. A considerable amount migrated to the Peloponnese(and elsewhere) in 1300s. My moms paternal line via oral history claim descent from Gjin Bua Shpata, the Despot of Arta.

[Dibran]

You also have some Italian matches 500 years ago as well.

Weren't Croats often fighting as mercenaries at that time?

Croats were even settled in Burgenland as military settlers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgenland_Croats#History

It is possible. However did they serve as Condottieri in the 1400s?

I know northwest Euros, Germans and Scandinavians were common in the Condottieri ranks. Even Frankish.

[Wrong]

I would be willing to bet that even the most northwestern Albanian will score more Aegean. Your mother is from Malesi but you still only get 7% west Balkan. Northwestern Albanians and northeastern Albanians are the same as the Albanians under Aegean which is why I nelieve that they will still register under Aegean even though they are grouped differently. Your Asian is complete bullshit
Aegean covers both Albania and Greece in these references. Same goes for "Greek" in MyheritageDNA.

[Lek]

You also have some Italian matches 500 years ago as well.

Weren't Croats often fighting as mercenaries at that time?

Croats were even settled in Burgenland as military settlers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgenland_Croats#History

I have Italian matches too and they are confirmed arbereshe on ftdna. And Greek match with last 500 years too. Most likely Arvanite.

[Lek]

I would be willing to bet that even the most northwestern Albanian will score more Aegean. Your mother is from Malesi but you still only get 7% west Balkan. Northwestern Albanians and northeastern Albanians are the same as the Albanians under Aegean which is why I nelieve that they will still register under Aegean even though they are grouped differently. Your Asian is complete bullshit

Its probably same as Balkan on myheritage.. it looks so based on map and many Albanians willprobably get a mix of this aegean and west balkan.

[Kelmendasi]

Dont forget my mother is descended from Arvanites in the Peloponnese. Also her Paternal Grandmother may have been Tosk, as the surname is not common in the north(Pitsari). I wouldnt call it bullshit. Most unlikey sure. However, no one can keep a full dossier on everyone that intermarries in their family over history. Chances are some could slip by I reckon. Is it any less strange than Scandinavian?
South Asian is far more strange than Scandinavian for a European since Scandinavia is still a part of Europe but the other isn't. Northwest/east Albanians aren't genetically different from other northern/southern Albanians which is why they will probably have more Aegean as our dna is far closer to other Albanians(Aegean) than the south Slavs in west Balkan. So far this is the only test which has given you some new ethnicities which is why im skeptical of it

[Dibran]

And i dont think west balkan is slavic when it includes north Albania but not northern slavs

Slavic would be something that peaks in north slavs and that was brought into Balkans by Slavic migrations and would , in the balkans, also peak in south slavs who also asimilated indigenous people.. how the fuck can there even be such components... :picard1:

I am not sure. Keep in mind this is my assumption based on the extend of the color blob for each reference. Perhaps it doesnt encompass Albanians at all. My understanding was that west balkan is more slavic derived and would be more common for Albanians from Montenegro. I didnt score any east balkan other than cautious mode which includes it together with east euro as general "northeast" and that is only 7 percent.

[Kelmendasi]

Its probably same as Balkan on myheritage.. it looks so based on map and many Albanians willprobably get a mix of this aegean and west balkan.
Probably

[Lek]

Weren't there many ethnic Albanians in Greece?

Yeah they migrated there since the 1300's and up to 19th century.

Peloponnese had a huge Albanian population.




But some north Albanians also came from south Albania within last 500 years but i dont think they came that far south from greeksor were even greeks.

Maybe we dont know everything....

[Dibran]

South Asian is far more strange than Scandinavian for a European since Scandinavia is still a part of Europe but the other isn't. Northwest/east Albanians aren't genetically different from other northern/southern Albanians which is why they will probably have more Aegean as our dna is far closer to other Albanians(Aegean) than the south Slavs in west Balkan. So far this is the only test which has given you some new ethnicities which is why im skeptical of it

Yes but the Balkans was subject to many invasions from the Steppe and Turkey. It is definitely more likely to find a greek or albanian with some asian than scandinavian I would reckon. I am not a geneticist though, so I could not say with certainty. It hasnt given me new ethnicities. From what I understand, 23andme under-reports lesser admixtures and over-reports more significant ones. My father scores more northwest euro than me.

I score a drop of northwest europ, 1 percent broadly euro, 2 broadly south euro.

The only thing out of place is south asian. On 23 I got japanese at .03. Perhaps thats misrepresented here as south asian.

[Kelmendasi]

Anyways congrats on your result bro :D

[Kelmendasi]

Yes but the Balkans was subject to many invasions from the Steppe and Turkey. It is definitely more likely to find a greek or albanian with some asian than scandinavian I would reckon. I am not a geneticist though, so I could not say with certainty. It hasnt given me new ethnicities. From what I understand, 23andme under-reports lesser admixtures and over-reports more significant ones. My father scores more northwest euro than me.

I score a drop of northwest europ, 1 percent broadly euro, 2 broadly south euro.

The only thing out of place is south asian. On 23 I got japanese at .03. Perhaps thats misrepresented here as south asian.
True but the Asian which would make far more sense is west Asian. Anyways most of it seems alright only the south Asian and West Balkan bugs me abit

[Dibran]

True but the Asian which would make far more sense is west Asian. Anyways most of it seems alright only the south Asian and West Balkan bugs me abit

West Balkan wouldnt be wrong as i get 94 balkan on 23(some of which could have been west balkan). Most of which was Aegean derived.

[Sikeliot]

South Italian compared to Aegean probably is a Cypriot shifted element while Aegean is more like Albanians and mainland Greeks.

[Dibran]

South Italian compared to Aegean probably is a Cypriot shifted element while Aegean is more like Albanians and mainland Greeks.

Not according to livingdna. South Italian is included in Aegean at least in Cautious mode.

[kingjohn]

Interesting results. No Slavic but some Germanic?

I wanna try this but dont know how legit these different components really are... what is even west balkans etc and how did they make such clusters.

Also their Aegean etc

west balkans look from the map
of there regions
: Serbia, Montenegro. Bosnia , Croatia

aegean : greece albania very much ;ike the greek of my heritage

[Lek]

west balkans look from the map
of there regions
: Serbia, Montenegro. Bosnia , Croatia

aegean : greece albania very much ;ike the greek of my heritage

Greek on my heritage doesnt cover Albania, only small parts of the south. Rest of Albania and gheg areas is Balkan and ive seen Albanian get 70% Balkan who also get 94% Balkan on 23andme. I myself get 43% on myheritage and some Greek as I know my maternal tribe were Tosks and came maybe from Epirus. On other tests i get 100% Balkan.

Ive seen croats and serbs who dont get much Balkan while some do. They also get greek. Either its same or more south Balkan and north Balkan components.

Pure blooded Ghegs get more Balkan/ West Balkan which is more of a northern component / northern Ilyrian

I even read in a book that Tosks were epirotans south ilyrians and Ghegs originally north and central Ilyrians until migrations happened in different directions south north etc and you get these diverse results.

Those south slavic people you mentioned have slavic genes identitical to north slavs mixed with Ilyrian depending on the individual. You cant make a cluster out of that as many will get genes matched with north slavs which they do on 23andme, dna land, ftdna and gedmatch calcs and what they get depends on the individual and how mixed they are with native people or slavic.

Since kuqi tribe and some othere other gheg tribes were originally tosks, you got south slavs who absorbed tosk genes too as many south serbs/montenigrins come originally from these tribes.

Some ilyrians also came from hercegovina , dalmatia etc. And into northern Albania

[Lek]

Aegean covers both Albania and Greece in these references. Same goes for "Greek" in MyheritageDNA.

Greek on myheritage doesnt cover Albania, only small parts of south Albania. Same for the Aegean here. I posted the maps on foleja before.

Its obvious that many Gheg Albanians who get high Greek on myheritage and high Agean here were originally Tosks. Purer Ghegs get more Balkan and West Balkan like Fustan who gets 70% Balkan and which are more Northern components. I get 43%. We both know some of our ancestors came from Epirus and we also get some Greek. I know my maternal tribe Kuqi were originally Tosks.

Even OP's results are saying most of his ancestors came from Greece and Epirus and not much North Albania etc.

It's obvious to me what we are looking at here.

Many south slavs dont get much Balkan or west balkan due to slavic ancestry. It rather depends on the individual but the ilyrians they absorbed were more northern like pureblooded Ghegs would of been.

The West Balkan the OP gets isnt from Croatia but rather the Montenegro , north Albania dots he gets which were most likely Ghegs.

That dot in croatia could explain his north/west european score and could be goths etc. Or some western slavic misinterpretation. Or some of it could be from Italian.

Op also plots with Greeks and many of you Albanians here
plot really south with mainland and tuscans.. the more greek /agean score the more south plotting I noticed, just look at Era and DRUM as examples that are really south and 90% Greek on myheritage.

Also ancient samples found in yugoslavia didnt plot that south. They plotted east of north italians and west of bulgarians which some ghegs ive seen, including me, do too.

The ones that plotted south with tuscans and mainland greeks were some southern thracian samples

Pure blooded Ghegs would of been much more northern plotting people. Even northern Ilyrians.

[Wrong]

Greek on myheritage doesnt cover Albania, only small parts of south Albania. Same for the Aegean here. I posted the maps on foleja before.

Its obvious that many Gheg Albanians who get high Greek on myheritage and high Agean here were originally Tosks. Purer Ghegs get more Balkan and West Balkan like Fustan who gets 70% Balkan and which are more Northern components. I get 43%. We both know some of our ancestors came from Epirus and we also get some Greek. I know my maternal tribe Kuqi were originally Tosks.

Even OP's results are saying most of his ancestors came from Greece and Epirus and not much North Albania etc.

It's obvious to me what we are looking at here.

Many south slavs dont get much Balkan or west balkan due to slavic ancestry. It rather depends on the individual but the ilyrians they absorbed were more northern like pureblooded Ghegs would of been.

The West Balkan the OP gets isnt from Croatia but rather the Montenegro , north Albania dots he gets which were most likely Ghegs.

That dot in croatia could explain his north/west european score and could be goths etc. Or some western slavic misinterpretation. Or some of it could be from Italian.

Op also plots with Greeks and many of you Albanians here
plot really south with mainland and tuscans.. the more greek /agean score the more south plotting I noticed, just look at Era and DRUM as examples that are really south and 90% Greek on myheritage.

Also ancient samples found in yugoslavia didnt plot that south. They plotted east of north italians and west of bulgarians which some ghegs ive seen, including me, do too.

The ones that plotted south with tuscans and mainland greeks were some southern thracian samples

Pure blooded Ghegs would of been much more northern plotting people. Even northern Ilyrians.

Kelmendasi mentioned the average Greek gets 61% Greek. We shouldn't take these tests all too literally.

Greek does cover Albania and much of Kosovo, you can see the map below. All Albanians have this admixture, they didn't cover north of Kosovo and some of NW Albania due to the Slavic influence there.

The areas I am from are completely encompassed by the "Greek", even in Kosovo.
I wouldn't ignore the Doric & Ancient Epirote admixture Albanians have as specifically have a vast number of Doric loanwords.

Besides, Balkan has a Slavic component, as it says this when I click on it:
it incorporates Slavic and West Asian influences

No Albanian has too much Balkan admix. The Greek admix is more Albanian if anything as it's often much higher in Albanians. Leapfrogger who is from the North has 90% Greek and the rest Balkan. It doesn't make any sense you call it Tosk.

The Bronze Age Montenegrin JAZ1 sample plotted between Albanian and Bulgarian, so it was more Eastern-shifted. For the rest, we don't have any samples available.
You should remember that Illyria existed way after these Bronze Age samples who may only have been proto-.


My results:

http://i.imgur.com/vFbPW62.png



Here's another Albanian who has very little Balkan but high Greek & Northwest European:

http://i.imgur.com/y9FY8nR.png




JAZ1(Bronze Age Montenegro) PCA, even GRE samples are close to it along with ALB:

http://i.imgur.com/cIKQODU.png

[Dibran]

Kelmendasi mentioned the average Greek gets 61% Greek. We shouldn't take these tests all too literally.

Greek does cover Albania and much of Kosovo, you can see the map below. All Albanians have this admixture, they didn't cover north of Kosovo and some of NW Albania due to the Slavic influence there.

The areas I am from are completely encompassed by the "Greek", even in Kosovo.
I wouldn't ignore the Doric & Ancient Epirote admixture Albanians have as specifically have a vast number of Doric loanwords.

Besides, Balkan has a Slavic component, as it says this when I click on it:
it incorporates Slavic and West Asian influences

No Albanian has too much Balkan admix. The Greek admix is more Albanian if anything as it's often much higher in Albanians. Leapfrogger who is from the North has 90% Greek and the rest Balkan. It doesn't make any sense you call it Tosk.

The Bronze Age Montenegrin JAZ1 sample plotted between Albanian and Bulgarian, so it was more Eastern-shifted. For the rest, we don't have any samples available.
You should remember that Illyria existed way after these Bronze Age samples who may only have been proto-.


My results:

http://i.imgur.com/vFbPW62.png



Here's another Albanian who has very little Balkan but high Greek & Northwest European:

http://i.imgur.com/y9FY8nR.png




JAZ1(Bronze Age Montenegro) PCA, even GRE samples are close to it along with ALB:

http://i.imgur.com/cIKQODU.png

You are 100 percent correct. My father is a gheg from Diber with origin from Mirdita and he gets 98 percent Greek and no Balkan. I get 76 Greek 8 italian and 16 balkan. This is obviously coming from my mothers side as she is from Puka, and her great grandmother from Montenegro. It definitely seems to peak among the malesia madhe and montenegro Albanian regions. I would say its probably a mixture of these slavic and some albanian components.

Also most of the south slavs I have seen score predominantly balkan and east euro. One Croat got 72 percent. Its definitely predominantly a slavic signature, while Greek probably more neolithic fixated.