Dr. Doug Mc Donald results.

[Erronkari]

This test sounds interesting, apparently, it has the same algorithm of 23andme.

Most likely fit is 96.0% (+- 0.2%) Europe (all Western Europe)

and 4.0% (+- 0.2%) America (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Spain= 0.960 Columbian= 0.040 or

Spain= 0.959 Maya= 0.041 or

Spain= 0.963 Karitiana= 0.037 or

Spain= 0.960 USA_East= 0.040 or

Spain= 0.963 Surui= 0.037 or

Spain= 0.960 Pima= 0.040 or

Spain= 0.956 Na-Dene= 0.044



which is not exactly unusual. It is most unfortunate that we don’t have any South American

comparison panels that are not VERY tribally specific .. i.e. absolutely nothing Andean.



I did a custom fit and get when fitting three populations, good but not great fits:



Basque 0.6214 Tuscan 0.3368 Columbian 0.0418 or

Basque 0.6138 Italian 0.3440 Columbian 0.0422



and for four populations, excellent fits:



Basque 0.6277 Tuscan 0.3119 Mozabite 0.0193 Columbian 0.0411 or

Basque 0.6319 Tuscan 0.2821 Jewish 0.0447 Columbian 0.0413 or

Basque 0.6319 Tuscan 0.2946 Georgian 0.0322 Columbian 0.0413 or

Basque 0.6324 Italian 0.2530 Georgian 0.0741 Columbian 0.0406 or

Basque 0.6272 Tuscan 0.3041 Adygei 0.0284 Columbian 0.0403 or

Basque 0.6292 Tuscan 0.2950 Sephardic 0.0339 Columbian 0.0418



This means you really are Basque/Italian.North African plus American native.

Fits with large BAsque do not lie.



Doug McDonald




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[Carlito's Way]

very nice to see someone here score Basque, never seen it before until now

[Erronkari]

very nice to see someone here score Basque, never seen it before until now

Yes, buddy, it's interesting, and is curious that "Basque" is considered different of Iberian and either french. Although I think that they consider it South European.

[GiCa]

Are you really partly Tuscan or is that a approximation?

From your profile info you are not Tuscan or Italian thought

[Erronkari]

Are you really partly Tuscan or is that a approximation?

Well, my paternal grandma was from Pisa. :D

[Lek]

He basically says 23andme is more accurate than ancestrydna and ftdna, the latter missing small important parts.

[Carlito's Way]

Are you really partly Tuscan or is that a approximation?

From your profile info you are not Tuscan or Italian thought

i doubt it, i had seen many mexicans score Tuscan on McDonald

[GiCa]

Well, my paternal grandma was from Pisa. :D

This genetic test is millimetrical fitting

That would give you 25% Tuscan

And it match your 30-20% genetic Tuscan of this test

[Erronkari]

Although my biggest ancestry is spanish (and a little portuguese, including my surname).
But yes, sounds really accurate! :D

[Isleño]

Congrats, bro. You are part of the Basque people. A very unique and ancient people in Europe. I see you have a healthy dose of Italian. Typical of Argentines, Spanish/Italian mix.

[GiCa]

i doubt it, i had seen many mexicans score Tuscan on McDonald

True. Tuscans emigrated fewly. And the few who emigrated are mostly those from Lucca or Lunigiana/Garfagnana and they went mostly in Argentina, Brazil or Venezuela (not even in USA or Australia)

[Erronkari]

Congrats, bro. You are part of the Basque people. A very unique and ancient people in Europe. I see you have a healthy dose of Italian. Typical of Argentines, Spanish/Italian mix.

Thank you Isleño! :D

Yeah, quite typical in that sense, although here, the most of spanish immigrants came from Galicia, and italians from the south.
But yes, basques and tuscans descendants are not weird. ;)

[GiCa]

Tuscans had few reasons to emigrate as for now our region was alway a prosperous and
Rich

We are rich also today; our region is one of the four engine of Europe.

And we never went over-babied also in the past.

Those from Pisa were always in contact with South America; as they traficqued with their ships also with the Americas

That s why those from the port of Tuscany emigrated there usually for the same port conection

[Isleño]

Thank you Isleño! :D

Yeah, quite typical in that sense, although here, the most of spanish immigrants came from Galicia, and italians from the south.
But yes, basques and tuscans descendants are not weird. ;)
I'm not Basque, but there are many white Louisianians that are of Basque descent, but are of French Basque descent. Lots of French Basque came to Louisiana during its colonial times. Among Spaniards that came here, it was Canarians, Andalusians and Castilians. But anyway, that's cool you are Basque. I know you must be proud. It's an interesting ancestry.

[Isleño]

Tuscans had few reasons to emigrate as for now our region was alway a prosperous and
Rich

We are rich also today; our region is one of the four engine of Europe.

And we never went over-babied also in the past.

Those from Pisa were always in contact with South America; as they traficqued with their ships also with the Americas

That s why those from the port of Tuscany emigrated there usually for the same port conection
Isn't Sicily your poorest region?

[GiCa]

So you are partly Pisan but not Livornese right? I hope you won't confuse the two cities

[GiCa]

Isn't Sicily your poorest region?

It s all the shitty south actually (shitty for that; obviously I m not against the people)

[Erronkari]

Tuscans had few reasons to emigrate as for now our region was alway a prosperous and
Rich

We are rich also today; our region is one of the for engine of europe

Yes... the case of my grandma's migration was because her father (my great-grandpa) was sended here to work in a very important Bank at that moment called "Banca Francese e italiana per l'America del Sud" (after it changed the name for "Banco Sudameris") and after came the war and they decided to stay here.
So, it wasn't exactly an economical reason.

[GiCa]

Yes... the case of my grandma's migration was because her father (my great-grandpa) was sended here to work in a very important Bank at that moment called "Banca Francese e italiana per l'America del Sud" (after it changed the name for "Banco Sudameris") and after came the war and they decided to stay here.
So, it wasn't exactly an echonomical reason.

So it seems you great fans father was from a comercial burgeoise or aristocratic family
As at that time only those would work and having studied to work in a bank even if they were simple white collars

[Erronkari]

So you are partly Pisan but not Livornese right? I hope you won't confuse the two cities

Haha don't worry... il mío bisnonno era dell' Ardenza, cio'e livornese. I like both places and its people. ;)

[GiCa]

Haha don't worry... il mío bisnonno era dell' Ardenza, cio'e livornese. I like both places and its people. ;)

You confused them

You are Partly Livornese then.

They are truly culturally two different cities

[Erronkari]

Yes, I know haha. But I like both.
Indeed my family there lives close of both cities, in a very little town called Valtriano di Fauglia.
One time my dad and me were in Florence, and he started to talk with a couple from there.
My dad told them that my grandma was from Pisa and inmediately the man laughing answered: "Ah nooooo, tu non mi puoi dire questo... meglio avere un morto in casa che un pisano all'uscio...". :p
It's very common that...

[GiCa]

^actually I that those of Pisa hate those of Livorno because the port of Pisa disappeared due to land natural enlargement

The great duchy of Tuscany decided not to move Pisa towards the new coast but to make a new port nearby Pisa ex-novo: Livorno inhabiting it with different people comes from elsewhere on Tuscany and also Europe to live in the new city


That s the reason

[Erronkari]

Yes, indeed now Livorno has the harbour and it can consider a most modern City... but Pisa has two advantages as you know: The University, and of course the tourism (especially around Piazza dei Miracoli).
In my opinion all Tuscany is awesome, wonderful.
Although I haven't gone to some parts of the region, like Garfagnana, Ludigiana and the city of Pistoia.
San Gimignano in my opinion is one of the most beautiful places in the world.
I've never seen something similar.

[Ibericus]

The Tuscan is not literal. It's just because in some calculators Basque with some Tuscan equals Spanish.

[Erronkari]

The Tuscan is not literal. It's just because in some calculators Basque with some Tuscan equals Spanish.

In some cases could be...
I have tuscan family, only from one side, the majority is iberian, but It's true, spanish, north-italian and tuscan cluster are really near.
Indeed tuscan cluster is farer with abruzzese and sicilian.
It's interesting!

[Erronkari]

Indeed according FTDNA I am 91% iberian and 5% italian (considered there "southeast Europe"...).

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

How long it took you to get his analysis?

[Erronkari]

How long it took you to get his analysis?

Less than one hour. :D

[Karol Klačansky]

How did u get this analysis?

Sent from my KIW-L21 using Tapatalk

[Karol Klačansky]

How did u get this analysis?

[GiCa]

Yes, indeed now Livorno has the harbour and it can consider a most modern City... but Pisa has two advantages as you know: The University, and of course the tourism (especially around Piazza dei Miracoli).
In my opinion all Tuscany is awesome, wonderful.
Although I haven't gone to some parts of the region, like Garfagnana, Ludigiana and the city of Pistoia.
San Gimignano in my opinion is one of the most beautiful places in the world.
I've never seen something similar.

Ti regalo questo nel pezzo di musica tradizionale: uno stornello livornese

I livornesi sono un po capoccioni-tamarri testardi; hanno la testa dura ma sono tra i toscani che più per indole si mettono più in mostra.. Da noi sono considerati come i napoletani della toscana. Ma gli vogliamo bene


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6LNRKKwWPLE&ebc=ANyPxKq0H3xxayXlIflmTMnkissjP37ea-5lrNTd3V0vCWd7O8g5aMcsq-3FYofuPlkhmgaZhs9XNO5gUnWwvdtHKVLeYYG-fw

[Potentia]

Huh, I've been wondering what my McDonald analysis would be.

[Iloko]

Congratz!

[Dibran]

How do you do this analysis? Any assistance would be appreciated.

[Mat123]

How do you do this analysis? Any assistance would be appreciated.

Send him an email to mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu.

He's not interested in europeans though, so he probably won't do it for you.

[Wrong]

This is what he gave me back in 2013:

Most likely fit is 81.2% (+- 6.9%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 18.8% (+- 6.9%) Mideast (various subcontinents)


All of which is saying it looks very much like Italian but
with some more eastern component, yet does not look
like it is farther east than the eastern shores of the Adriatic.

[Dick]

Send him an email to mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu.

He's not interested in europeans though, so he probably won't do it for you.

I just sent him an email wih my raw data telling him that I'm adopted so we'll see if he replies back.

[Vascontelo]

I sent him an email. Cross fingers :)

[Erronkari]

I just sent him an email wih my raw data telling him that I'm adopted so we'll see if he replies back.

Dick, exactly, the point in green where I plot Europe.
Indeed my cluster is among Basque area and Aragon.
Which is curious is my Y-dna (R1b U152) is not from north Spain or South France but italo-celtic.
It's more common in Switzerland and North Italy.

[Erronkari]

Ti regalo questo nel pezzo di musica tradizionale: uno stornello livornese

I livornesi sono un po capoccioni-tamarri testardi; hanno la testa dura ma sono tra i toscani che più per indole si mettono più in mostra.. Da noi sono considerati come i napoletani della toscana. Ma gli vogliamo bene


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6LNRKKwWPLE&ebc=ANyPxKq0H3xxayXlIflmTMnkissjP37ea-5lrNTd3V0vCWd7O8g5aMcsq-3FYofuPlkhmgaZhs9XNO5gUnWwvdtHKVLeYYG-fw


Ti regalo questo nel pezzo di musica tradizionale: uno stornello livornese

I livornesi sono un po capoccioni-tamarri testardi; hanno la testa dura ma sono tra i toscani che più per indole si mettono più in mostra.. Da noi sono considerati come i napoletani della toscana. Ma gli vogliamo bene


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6LNRKKwWPLE&ebc=ANyPxKq0H3xxayXlIflmTMnkissjP37ea-5lrNTd3V0vCWd7O8g5aMcsq-3FYofuPlkhmgaZhs9XNO5gUnWwvdtHKVLeYYG-fw

Grazie mille! :D
Mi piacciono moltissimo gli Stornelli toscani.
Riguardo i livornesi, è
vero, sono abbastanza testardi e paragonati agli altri toscani sono un po più cafoni o meno raffinati che gli altri toscani (i toscani sono fini in genere, quello fa si che altri italiani vi abbiano antipatia). È classico che dicono "i toscani mi stanno sul cazzo", ma non spiegano perché... sembrerebbe che sia invidia. Non trovo un'altra spiegazione.
Anche potrebbe darsi che la particolare situazione di Livorno, essendo un porto sul Tirreno ed avendo ricevuto in altri tempi abbastanza immigranti, come gli ebrei sefarditi dalla Spagna e il Portogallo, e gente da diversi punti del Mediterraneo fa si che abbiano una maniera di essere e di fare molto particolare.
Ma certamente sono d'accordo che hanno anche molte virtù, specialmente il fatto che sono molto simpatici e chiacchieroni. :p

[Dick]

Dick, exactly, the point in green where I plot Europe.
Indeed my cluster is among Basque area and Aragon.
Which is curious is my Y-dna (R1b U152) is not from north Spain or South France but italo-celtic.
It's more common in Switzerland and North Italy.

He got back to me in less than 24 hours so he still does it and I didn't tell him I'm adopted lol. He plot me in Hungary.




http://i66.tinypic.com/t6rluu.png

[Erronkari]

He got back to me in less than 24 hours so he still does it and I didn't tell him I'm adopted lol. He plot me in Hungary.

Awesome! :D

[Mat123]

He got back to me in less than 24 hours so he still does it and I didn't tell him I'm adopted lol. He plot me in Hungary.

Was it accurate for you?

[Dick]

Was it accurate for you?

I'm not hungarian but i think that's where the old 23andme had me on their plotting map if i recall. that tool is gone now. But he said I come out 100% European.

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.276 Romania= 0.724 or
Irish= 0.217 Romania= 0.783 or
Germany= 0.252 Romania= 0.748 or
French= 0.402 Romania= 0.598

[Potentia]

He got back to me in less than 24 hours so he still does it and I didn't tell him I'm adopted lol. He plot me in Hungary.

Did you use the email that Anakin posted?

[Erronkari]

People: If you don't have success with the first e-mail, you have another option.
Or you can try both at the same time:

mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu
jmcdona@illinois.edu

[Dick]

Did you use the email that Anakin posted?

I used the email that Matt123 posted here:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214729-Dr-Doug-Mc-Donald-results&p=4504750&viewfull=1#post4504750

I assume he has free time now due to summer

[Potentia]

I used the email that Matt123 posted here:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214729-Dr-Doug-Mc-Donald-results&p=4504750&viewfull=1#post4504750

I assume he has free time now due to summer

Yeah, I used that one as well. But, I emailed him at around 4 in the morning, his time. You think I should send it again?

[Dick]

Yeah, I used that one as well. But, I emailed him at around 4 in the morning, his time. You think I should send it again?

That is totally up to you. Tell him that you are unsure of your Amerindian admixture for example and attach your raw data.

[Potentia]

That is totally up to you. Tell him that you are unsure of your Amerindian admixture for example and attach your raw data.

In the .zip file, or in the text file?

[Dick]

In the .zip file, or in the text file?

I sent my 23andme zip file. I'm surprised he responded to me quickly.

[Erronkari]

I just corrected the second E-mail cose at first time I forgot the letter "j". Now is ok.

[Erronkari]

Potentia, if you have FTDNA is the 36 Autosomal.