RN97's MyHertitage results + do I have a jew in the woodpile?

[RN97]

So the MyHeritage results came back and I got 7,9% Jewish and it isn't the first test I've gotten Jewish admixture on
http://i.imgur.com/EtzOxT7.png


Geneplaza gave me 7,5%
http://i.imgur.com/0AbEsL3.png
and DNALand 12%
http://i.imgur.com/gymVAFL.png

However on 23andme I got <0,1%
http://i.imgur.com/zVEdBL7.png
and the same goes for WEGENE
http://i.imgur.com/eiO41E1.png

So wassup with the Jewish? Is it real or is it just misinterpreted?? I do not have any known Jewish ancestry.

[Peterski]

You have 65 Jewish relatives on 23andMe:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214721-Ancestry-of-your-DNA-Relatives-%9623andMe&p=4498184&viewfull=1#post4498184

So either you have a Jew in the woodpile, or 65 Jews have Goys in the woodpile.

[RN97]

You have 65 Jewish relatives on 23andMe:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214721-Ancestry-of-your-DNA-Relatives-%9623andMe&p=4498184&viewfull=1#post4498184

So either you have a Jew in the woodpile, or 65 Jews have Goys in the woodpile.

Im not 79% N and W. Euro either tho... Is this one inaccurate or 23andme when it comes to merchant admixture...

[Peterski]

Im not 79% N and W. Euro either tho... Is this one inaccurate or 23andme when it comes to merchant admixture...

This one most likely overestimates it. But I guess that you have at least 0.1%, maybe a bit more. On 23andMe you got 0.1%? WeGene also gave you <1%. Probably you have less than 1%.

So it could be something from many generations ago.

[Damião de Góis]

I wouldn't put much faith in MyHeritage, i scored significant amounts of Greek and Irish.

As for Jewish, in my opinion it's difficult to quantify as they are made of several components like everyone else. On Eurogenes k15, the main component of both Ashkenazi and Sephardics is East Med:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QWzK3Zb7fxky6bguizFty2gXbEmJ3GZkQZOLfYDMzUQ/edit#gid=0

[Kamal900]

Your north African admixture is very negligible in contrast to what Carlito's way have claimed otherwise. Anyway, your Jewish ancestry might be distant or could be that it's derived from Southern Italian in general. Whatever the case, you're 100% Caucasoid. The Amerindian admixture is just noise.

[Lek]

No Balkan and no greek. Interesting.... only some east euro which is slavic and some italian which is south east european probably and similar to Balkan

[kingjohn]

and me of jewish hertige
score 31% greek
my heritage company is a joke or what ?????

[Voskos]

and me of jewish hertige
score 31% greek
my heritage company is a joke or what ?????

my heritage gave me about 3% ashkenazi.

[kingjohn]

they are giving almost everyone aschenazi
don't know why ????

[Voskos]

they are giving almost everyone aschenazi
don't know why ????
it's cool. from the lost tribe of israel

[Voskos]

This is what Doug McDonald has said about it:


3) People from far southern Italy (Calabria), Sicily, Malta, Greece, etc. should expect large amounts of Mideast listed along with Spanish/Italian/Tuscan. Part or all of the Mideast in these cases is usually listed as Jewish, for two reasons: these people derive from the same ancestral populations as the Jews, and large numbers of Jews moved to Sicily after the Inquisition.

[RN97]

This one most likely overestimates it. But I guess that you have at least 0.1%, maybe a bit more. On 23andMe you got 0.1%? WeGene also gave you <1%. Probably you have less than 1%.

So it could be something from many generations ago.

23andme gives me <0.1% and Wegene gives me 0,71% It's all in original post of this thread.

[RN97]

Your north African admixture is very negligible in contrast to what Carlito's way have claimed otherwise. Anyway, your Jewish ancestry might be distant or could be that it's derived from Southern Italian in general. Whatever the case, you're 100% Caucasoid. The Amerindian admixture is just noise.
The north African must also be inaccurate as from where?? It is likely levantine/ middle eastern as 23andme states.
I've gotten different theories about it. Could be from Armenian, Turk, some black sea merchant. Who knows?
As you can see, no North African on 23andme, but rather Middle eastern
http://i.imgur.com/ofDq2Jr.png
The native American is probably Siberian interpreted as amerindian. I believe the Siberian admixture is actually real, so I'm not exactly fully caucasoid, but quite close. I have several GEDMatch results here:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214670-RN97-s-various-GEDMatch-results
I consistently score some Siberian.


and me of jewish hertige
score 31% greek
my heritage company is a joke or what ?????

You should make a thread about your results, would be interesting to see what jews score on different sources as well as GEDMatch.

[kingjohn]

it's cool. from the lost tribe of israel

we are in apricity forum
to have jewish genes is not cool here :cool:
but my love for genetic populations is much higher from my race or tribe .............

[Longbowman]

MyHeritage are shit. But they're in beta right now. Give them time. But also ignore them.

[catgeorge]

This one most likely overestimates it. But I guess that you have at least 0.1%, maybe a bit more. On 23andMe you got 0.1%? WeGene also gave you <1%. Probably you have less than 1%.

So it could be something from many generations ago.

Jewish is cultural not genetic - so what is a Christian can you tell me? These tests are just useless and too weighted to "Jewish" and its not even anthropological its cultural... just goes to shows modern universities are breeding scores of idiots.

[RN97]

Jewish is cultural not genetic - so what is a Christian can you tell me? These tests are just useless and too weighted to "Jewish" and its not even anthropological its cultural... just goes to shows modern universities are breeding scores of idiots.

Wat brah? Jews are genetically a thing. It also should be easy to identify a quirk about them due to the founders effect. I assume though, I'm not an expert. You're right that Jews aren't that far removed from Sicilians, but overall their genetic make-up is more unique than most European ethnic groups.

[catgeorge]

Wat brah? Jews are genetically a thing. It also should be easy to identify a quirk about them due to the founders effect. I assume though, I'm not an expert. You're right that Jews aren't that far removed from Sicilians, but overall their genetic make-up is more unique than most European ethnic groups.

Jew is a religion not an ethnicity - Israeli is an ethnicity

A German Jew means a German that is culturally a Jew not genetically lmao.

[Survivor]

You're a mongrel. Be happy with it.

[RN97]

You're a mongrel. Be happy with it.

Then so are Mitteleuropa peeps.

[Longbowman]

Jew is a religion not an ethnicity - Israeli is an ethnicity

A German Jew means a German that is culturally a Jew not genetically lmao.

what the fuck are you talking about?

Israeli - citizen of Israel
German Jew - Jew who is a citizen of Germany

at least, in general. I doubt there are any more than a few hundred ethnic German practitioners of Judaism, and maybe only a few dozen who are actually culturally Jewish. The term 'German Jew' is used to describe Jews (by ethnicity, blood, culture, religion, or all four) who were raised in Germany. Israel is not an ethnos.

Basically you have no idea what you're talking about.

[catgeorge]

what the fuck are you talking about?

You know exactly what I am talking about. Being Jew is cultural (or race mixing) - guess the genetics of a modern Jew

http://jewishstudies.rutgers.edu/images/stories/courses/modern-israeli-culture-300px.jpg

[Survivor]

Then so are Mitteleuropa peeps.

Pretty much. Almost everyone is a mongrel on this planet.

[Longbowman]

You know exactly what I am talking about. Being Jew is cultural (or race mixing) - guess the genetics of a modern Jew

Sure we're mixed, just the same as the Greek-speaking Turks currently resident in the southern extreme of the Balkan peninsula:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jn_ZhgWU118/TdIQsgMN_4I/AAAAAAAAAFg/VMhiwcEoqvY/s1600/greek-girl.jpg
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/modernfamily/images/7/70/Jason_Mantzoukas.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140206214510

You have to be retarded if you think the average German Jew looks German.

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8811be65c9b376393c496d3c5d74b281-c

Very few Jews are pale and ginger. We all know one of course, but that's what we in the trade of anthrotardism call 'cherrypicking.'

[kingjohn]

MyHeritage are shit. But they're in beta right now. Give them time. But also ignore them.

how in the world they gave me 31% greek and my brother 24% italian {roman and staff}?

[catgeorge]

Sure we're mixed, just the same as the Greek-speaking Turks currently resident in the southern extreme of the Balkan peninsula:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jn_ZhgWU118/TdIQsgMN_4I/AAAAAAAAAFg/VMhiwcEoqvY/s1600/greek-girl.jpg
https://i2.wp.com/www.movienewsguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Brooklyn-Nine-Nine-8.png?fit=750%2C490&ssl=1

You have to be retarded if you think the average German Jew looks German.

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8811be65c9b376393c496d3c5d74b281-c

Very few Jews are pale and ginger.

But there is no Christian DNA like there is no Jew DNA which is my point. Jew is cultural (Jew is a religion) not genetic.

[Mat123]

You know exactly what I am talking about. Being Jew is cultural (or race mixing) - guess the genetics of a modern Jew

http://jewishstudies.rutgers.edu/images/stories/courses/modern-israeli-culture-300px.jpg

Then how can 23andMe accurately identify Ashkenazi admixture? They always score +90% no matter where they are from.

[Longbowman]

But there is no Christian DNA like there is no Jew DNA which is my point. Jew is cultural (Jew is a religion) not genetic.

Ugh, listen, Christfag, just because Christianity isn't an ethnoreligion doesn't mean ethnoreligions doesn't exist. Just because your religion isn't [mostly] confined to a single ethnic group (because you proselytise) doesn't mean that is true of all religions. The entire point of Judaism, if you read the Old Testament, is that it's the religion of the children of Israel. Ie, a tribal religion.

There are quite a few ethnoreligions anyhow, not just Judaism.

[catgeorge]

Then how can 23andMe accurately identify Ashkenazi admixture? They always score +90% no matter where they are from.

Well maybe it has something to do with the developers lacking intellectual integrity and they're as far as I know - Jewish.

[Longbowman]

how in the world they gave me 31% greek and my brother 24% italian {roman and staff}?

because
they're
shit

[Lavrentis]

Sure we're mixed, just the same as the Greek-speaking Turks currently resident in the southern extreme of the Balkan peninsula:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jn_ZhgWU118/TdIQsgMN_4I/AAAAAAAAAFg/VMhiwcEoqvY/s1600/greek-girl.jpg
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/modernfamily/images/7/70/Jason_Mantzoukas.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140206214510

Greeks have not mixed with conquerors though, but with assimilated people. On average, Greeks look Mediterannean.

[Longbowman]

Well maybe it has something to do with the developers lacking intellectual integrity and they're as far as I know - Jewish.

You lack intellect and intellectual integrity. There are plenty of scientific studies that prove that Jews, except certain outlying groups, are genetically very proximate to each other, and most people can tell a Jew by looking at him, and there were even whole books about how to spot a Jew in Nazi Germany. You are pretending none of this is true because you don't like the concept of Jewish ethnic nationalism, even though your nation is at least equally problematic vis-a-vis regional distinctions, especially when it comes to Pontic Greeks and Greek communities in Mariopol and elsewhere.

[Longbowman]

Greeks have not mixed with conquerors though, but with assimilated people. On average, Greeks look Mediterannean.

On average, Jews look Mediterranean too, but I have found a photo of two Greeks that look very different, which proves that Greeks are mixed race.

[Lavrentis]

On average, Jews look Mediterranean too, but I have found a photo of two Greeks that look very different, which proves that Greeks are mixed race.

You can find more diversity in Jews than to Greeks. It's not something bad, I'm not saying that a Jewish nation doesn't exist because of diversity.

[catgeorge]

Greeks have not mixed with conquerors though, but with assimilated people. On average, Greeks look Mediterannean.

60% Meds (Dinarids, Atlantid,Pontids, Nordic-Iranian) inclusive.
30% Alpine
8% spread accross Borreby, Nord, CM etc
2% (opposite ends of all spectrums)

[Longbowman]

You can find more diversity in Jews than to Greeks. It's not something bad, I'm not saying that a Jewish nation doesn't exist because of diversity.

If you cut out Judaised groups like the Beta Israel, the diversity is probably the same.

[Peterski]

A German Jew means a German that is culturally a Jew not genetically lmao.

LOL, you must be joking. German Jews are genetically very different from Germans.

And it's not even right to call them German Jews, they are Jews living in Germany.

Ashkenazi Jews from Northern Europe are over 50% Middle Eastern genetically:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214281-How-Polish-are-Ashkenazi-Jews

I have seen GEDmatch results of many Ashkenazi Jews.

They are not genetically the same as host populations.

[catgeorge]

You lack intellect and intellectual integrity. There are plenty of scientific studies that prove that Jews, except certain outlying groups, are genetically very proximate to each other, and most people can tell a Jew by looking at him, and there were even whole books about how to spot a Jew in Nazi Germany. You are pretending none of this is true because you don't like the concept of Jewish ethnic nationalism, even though your nation is at least equally problematic vis-a-vis regional distinctions, especially when it comes to Pontic Greeks and Greek communities in Mariopol and elsewhere.

Crazy - The people of Khazar Khganate whom where the Eruropean Jews at large were a totally separate people to the Isralites. As Khazars converted to Judaism - and possibly the most numerous of Jews.

[kingjohn]

23 and me can identify Ashkenazim dna
because of huge bottleneck in medieval Europe
thanks to 3 options :
German crusades attacking Jewish communities in speier worms mainz
black death
the mess in Ukraine in 1684

[Jana]

Khazar myth has been already refuted by genetics.

[catgeorge]

Khazar myth has been already refuted by genetics.

Khazar is not a myth - Byzantines have written about them in length.

[Longbowman]

Crazy - The people of Khazar Khganate whom where the Eruropean Jews at large were a totally separate people to the Isralites. As Khazars converted to Judaism - and possibly the most numerous of Jews.

The Khazars

a) are dead
b) did not convert to Judaism, only their nobility did
c) did not leave a mark on the current Jewish populations, unless you believe Elhaik's biased data that excludes relevant population references such as, well, actual Jews.

[Jana]

Khazar is not a myth - Byzantines have written about them in length.
Askhenazi Jews come out as half Levantine half North Italian if I remember well. Obviously they are mediterranean people with roots to Israel, and majority look that way too (people like to post mixed Jews but that doesn't count).

[Peterski]

Khazars are not the main ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews.

Here is a good 2016 study about Ashkenazi (AJ) ancestry:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/07/10/063099.full.pdf

https://s15.postimg.org/e9937ih5n/Ashkenazim.png

[RN97]

Ugh, listen, Christfag, just because Christianity isn't an ethnoreligion doesn't mean ethnoreligions doesn't exist. Just because your religion isn't [mostly] confined to a single ethnic group (because you proselytise) doesn't mean that is true of all religions. The entire point of Judaism, if you read the Old Testament, is that it's the religion of the children of Israel. Ie, a tribal religion.

There are quite a few ethnoreligions anyhow, not just Judaism.

Jews are like R1ethelites but with MtDNA :D
As long as you have a Jewish mother and you pass it on and keep the tribal identity you're a jew. However he does have a point that "jew" is not a genetic reality. However if you only consider European jews, it is.

[Longbowman]

Khazar is not a myth - Byzantines have written about them in length.

Typical Apricity logical fallacy, we might call it the Catgeorge Argument Logical Fallacy. Use an actual, correct fact in an argument that seems to be relevant to the point, but is in fact completely irrelevant to the point.

'The Khazar Hypothesis is a myth.'
Meaning: The idea that Khazars contributed genetically to the Jewish populations of today has been disproven
'No, they existed, it's proven.'
Meaning: The idea that Khazars existed is proven. However, this is phrased in such a way as to contradict discredit the first point, even though the two statements, though both including the word 'Khazar,' are not in contradiction with each other.

[Longbowman]

Jews are like R1ethelites but with MtDNA :D
As long as you have a Jewish mother and you pass it on and keep the tribal identity you're a jew. However he does have a point that "jew" is not a genetic reality. However if you only consider European jews, it is.

He is right if we exclude outliers (Subbotniks, Beta Israel) BUT we both know that's not what he means AND those groups are not very large or very well-integrated into the Jewish population as a whole.

In fact, Western Jews (including Syrians, etc) are genetically extremely closely related, and they are also quite closely related to Eastern Jews (Iranians, Iraqis etc). There are significant genetic differences and variations of course, but proximity has been demonstrated many times.

[catgeorge]

The Khazars

a) are dead
b) did not convert to Judaism, only their nobility did
c) did not leave a mark on the current Jewish populations, unless you believe Elhaik's biased data that excludes relevant population references such as, well, actual Jews.

Khazars were a Yamnayan Turk people that converted to Judaism. Byzantines know them as Χάζαροι... which is where χαζος comes from - meaning unintelligent - stupid

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%87%CE%B1%CE%B6%CF%8C%CF%82

Byzantines married into the Khaganate and it's where the decline of the Empire started.

[kingjohn]

i score 0.7 % siberian in eurogenes k13
more than likely it is from kazhars or Turkic tribe
but this is extremely low % of the total genome .....
my brother score 2% tubular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubalar in dna land .... me no so some turkic genes runs in my brother veins....

p.s
i dont think it came to him from the bulgaria

[Peterski]

Yamnayan Turk people

The Yamnaya culture were Indo-Europeans, not Turks.

[RN97]

The Yamnaya culture were Indo-Europeans, not Turks.

But genetically, they weren't so European.

[catgeorge]

The Yamnaya culture were Indo-Europeans, not Turks.

Nope they were definitely at least partially Turks - Scythians were at least partially Irano-Turks.

[Longbowman]

Khazars were a Yamnayan Turk people that converted to Judaism. Byzantines know them as Χάζαροι... which is where χαζος comes from - meaning unintelligent - stupid

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%87%CE%B1%CE%B6%CF%8C%CF%82

Byzantines married into the Khaganate and it's where the decline of the Empire started.

Again, classic case of Catgeorge Argument Logical Fallacy (CALF).

[Peterski]

But genetically, they weren't so European.

Mix of Europe + Northern Caucasus.

On Eurogenes K36 they get only European admixtures + North_Caucasian + South_Central_Asian (the last two are typical for Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers and Mesolithic/Neolithic Iranians).

Check their GEDmatch results:

Kit number / ancient sample

M828815 / Yamnaya-RISE552
M343758 / Yamnaya-I0443
F999968 / Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942 / Afanasievo-RISE509
M766878 / Poltavka-I0440
F999946 / Catacomb-RISE552

These two are a bit more mixed:

M828784 / Afanasievo-RISE511
M655536 / Yamnaya-I0231

====================

Bronze Age Steppe samples are a bit different:

M690970 / Sintashta-RISE386
M630274 / Poltavka-I0432
M370663 / Potapovka-I0419
M608028 / Andronovo-RISE505
M277797 / Sintashta-RISE395
M328175 / Srubnaya-I0423
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500
M472767 / Srubnaya-I0232
F999961 / Andronovo-RISE503
M217196 / Srubnaya-I0430


Nope they were definitely at least partially Turks (...)

If you have a GEDmatch account you can check what they score (I posted kits above).

They do not get any admixtures typical for Turks. No any Siberian whatsoever.

[RN97]

Mix of Europe + Northern Caucasus.

On Eurogenes K36 they get only European admixtures + North_Caucasian + South_Central_Asian (the last two are typical for Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers and Mesolithic/Neolithic Iranians).

Check their GEDmatch results:

Kit number / ancient sample

M828815 / Yamnaya-RISE552
M343758 / Yamnaya-I0443
F999968 / Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942 / Afanasievo-RISE509
M766878 / Poltavka-I0440
F999946 / Catacomb-RISE552

These two are a bit more mixed:

M828784 / Afanasievo-RISE511
M655536 / Yamnaya-I0231

====================

Bronze Age Steppe samples are a bit different:

M690970 / Sintashta-RISE386
M630274 / Poltavka-I0432
M370663 / Potapovka-I0419
M608028 / Andronovo-RISE505
M277797 / Sintashta-RISE395
M328175 / Srubnaya-I0423
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500
M472767 / Srubnaya-I0232
F999961 / Andronovo-RISE503
M217196 / Srubnaya-I0430



If you have a GEDmatch account you can check what they score (I posted kits above).

They do not get any admixtures typical for Turks. No any Siberian whatsoever.

They score no atlantic (k15) and the closest oracle is
1 Chuvash + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 18.696758

They are clearly not like modern European, but I understand what you mean. They were not unrelated to Europeans, but if they were walking among us today. Most people would consider them as European tatars, chuvash or something like that

[Peterski]

They score no atlantic (k15) and the closest oracle is
1 Chuvash + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 18.696758

They are clearly not like modern European, but I understand what you mean. They were not unrelated to Europeans, but if they were walking among us today. Most people would consider them as European tatars, chuvash or something like that.

That is not a "close" fit at all. Genetic distance is almost 19, that is very far.

They were not like Tatars because they didn't have any Mongoloid admixture:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?201406-Classify-Proto-Indo-Europeans&p=4201715&viewfull=1#post4201715


They score no atlantic (k15)

Because Atlantic in K15 is based on modern Basques, if I am not mistaken.

North Atlantic in K36 is a different thing (not Basque-like) and they do have it.

[RN97]

That is not a "close" fit at all. Genetic distance is almost 19, that is very far.

They were not like Tatars because they didn't have any Mongoloid admixture:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?201406-Classify-Proto-Indo-Europeans&p=4201715&viewfull=1#post4201715



Because Atlantic in K15 is based on modern Basques, if I am not mistaken.

North Atlantic in K36 is a different thing (not Basque-like) and they do have it.

what about on this calc.?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tFAa7oxWpcNN-OdMMjBdb4NeWKG7EkpKMzZJVW2_MME/edit#gid=759455264
they have very little villabruna related (which was like the original Europeans if I'm not mistaken)?

[Peterski]

Modern Turko-Tatars are similar to them because they assimilated Indo-Europeans.

But the major difference is that Turko-Tatars have a lot of Mongoloid admixture.

You could say that they are Yamnaya + Mongoloid.

Just like modern Mexicans are Spanish + Amerindian.


(which was like the original Europeans if I'm not mistaken)?

Villabruna guy didn't even look like modern Europeans, since his skin was dark.

[RN97]

Modern Turko-Tatars are similar to them because they assimilated Indo-Europeans.

But the major difference is that Turko-Tatars have a lot of Mongoloid admixture.

You could say that they are Yamnaya + Mongoloid.

Just like modern Mexicans are Spanish + Amerindian.



No it wasn't like the original Europeans (and that Villabruna guy didn't even look like modern Europeans, considering that his skin was dark).

This "Villabruna-related" is just extra WHG, extra over the level of Eastern WHG.

It doesn't matter if it had dark skin if it was the native European. Skin tone is just a minor thing compared to the bigger picture. You do know better than me though. How native European were they in comparison to say, a average German?

[Peterski]

It doesn't matter if it had dark skin if it was the native European.

Villabruna was not the first European population (about Villabruna after 2:00):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i95jT47xphg

[RN97]

Villabruna was not the first European population (about Villabruna after 2:00):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i95jT47xphg

Yeah, I know, but they were like one of the first that basically became distinct from all other humans (WHG admixture/ native European admixture or whatever) AFAIK. What population were the first one that had majority "European(admixture separates Europeans from other humans)" blood? I'm not too good with this stuff TBH.

[Peterski]

How native European were they in comparison to say, a average German?

Even according to the spreadsheet you linked Poles have more of Villabruna-related than Germans:

Polish:Poland4 19.39 21.76 0 0 0.01 0 58.83
Polish:Poland5 18.62 22.64 0.23 0.17 0 0 58.34
Polish:Polish10H 18.68 21.51 0.02 0.16 0.27 0.62 58.73
Polish:Polish7H 19.94 23.77 0.68 0 0.17 0 55.43
Polish:Polish8H 20.06 22.12 0.23 0.81 0.63 0 56.15
Polish:average 19.338 22.36 0.232 0.228 0.216 0.124 57.496

German:Germany1 16.88 25.62 0.01 0 0.4 0 57.09
German:Germany2 17.71 25.03 0 0 0.01 0 57.25
German:Germany3 15.78 27.33 0.01 0.44 0.34 0 56.11
German:Germany4 16.18 27.09 0 0 0.14 0 56.58
German:Germany5 16.46 26.05 0.01 0 0 0 57.48
German:Germany6 14.88 27.88 0.41 0 0 0.02 56.81
German:average 16.315 26.5 0.0733333 0.0733333 0.1483333 0.0033333 56.8866667

[Peterski]

I know, but they were like one of the first that basically became distinct from all other humans (WHG admixture/ native European admixture or whatever) AFAIK. What population were the first one that had majority "European(admixture separates Europeans from other humans)" blood? I'm not too good with this stuff TBH.

Yeah, WHG separates Europeans from Non-Europeans better than other admixtures.

But this WHG (Villabruna-related) peaks in Lithuanians, not in Germans or whatever.

[RN97]

Even according to the spreadsheet you linked Poles have more of Villabruna-related than Germans:

Polish:Poland4 19.39 21.76 0 0 0.01 0 58.83
Polish:Poland5 18.62 22.64 0.23 0.17 0 0 58.34
Polish:Polish10H 18.68 21.51 0.02 0.16 0.27 0.62 58.73
Polish:Polish7H 19.94 23.77 0.68 0 0.17 0 55.43
Polish:Polish8H 20.06 22.12 0.23 0.81 0.63 0 56.15
Polish:average 19.338 22.36 0.232 0.228 0.216 0.124 57.496

German:Germany1 16.88 25.62 0.01 0 0.4 0 57.09
German:Germany2 17.71 25.03 0 0 0.01 0 57.25
German:Germany3 15.78 27.33 0.01 0.44 0.34 0 56.11
German:Germany4 16.18 27.09 0 0 0.14 0 56.58
German:Germany5 16.46 26.05 0.01 0 0 0 57.48
German:Germany6 14.88 27.88 0.41 0 0 0.02 56.81
German:average 16.315 26.5 0.0733333 0.0733333 0.1483333 0.0033333 56.8866667

I'm pretty sure Polako made that calc and he requires payment to use it.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.no/2016/07/sneak-peek-basal-eurasian-k7.html
It does make sense though. Pretty obvious that Germans have more neolithic blood than Poles, I just wanted to know since Germans are sorta a not so extreme Euro pop. Central Europeans basically.

[Peterski]

How much does he want for it?

He also has Global K10 (and also requires payment for it).

[RN97]

How much does he want for it?

He also has Global K10 (and also requires payment for it).
http://eurogenes.blogspot.no/2016/11/fund-raising-offer-basal-rich-k7-andor.html

I'm now taking donations for 2017. Anyone who donates $12 USD or $16 AUD, or more, will get the Basal-rich K7 ancestry proportions. Of course, you'll need to send me your genotype data for that to happen (Ancestry.com, FTDNA or 23andMe).


Edit: Got some shekels on my paypal. Maybe I'll do it sometime.

[kingjohn]

RN97
do you think the 6.8% east europe you score in my heritage company came
from your Norwegian or Romanian side ?
i am asking because i always thought the romanians are descendnets from dacians not slavic tribes

[oszkar07]

The north African must also be inaccurate as from where?? It is likely levantine/ middle eastern as 23andme states.
I've gotten different theories about it. Could be from Armenian, Turk, some black sea merchant. Who knows?
As you can see, no North African on 23andme, but rather Middle eastern
http://i.imgur.com/ofDq2Jr.png
The native American is probably Siberian interpreted as amerindian. I believe the Siberian admixture is actually real, so I'm not exactly fully caucasoid, but quite close. I have several GEDMatch results here:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214670-RN97-s-various-GEDMatch-results
I consistently score some Siberian.



You should make a thread about your results, would be interesting to see what jews score on different sources as well as GEDMatch.

I agree about your Amerindian being Siberian.
On ftdna I get very small trace element around 1.something % Amerindian but on Gedmatch calcs I dont get any Amerindian but rather consistant
Siberian , so I agree that the Amerindian is probably really Siberian.

[Grace O'Malley]

I even get Ashkenazi on MyHeritage as does nearly every Irish person's results I've seen. I don't think it is real. I also get 1% European Jewish on Ancestry as well.

[Longbowman]

I even get Ashkenazi on MyHeritage as does nearly every Irish person's results I've seen. I don't think it is real. I also get 1% European Jewish on Ancestry as well.

Conversely, I get Celtic (10% Irish, Welsh and Scottish). What are these folk trying to say?

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/are-the-celts-one-of-the-ten-lost-tribes-of-israel-233823021-237790101

[kingjohn]

that you have celtic markers
and she have jewish{ italian +east med markers}
you talled me to ignore them .... :confused:

[Grace O'Malley]

Conversely, I get Celtic (10% Irish, Welsh and Scottish). What are these folk trying to say?

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/are-the-celts-one-of-the-ten-lost-tribes-of-israel-233823021-237790101

Haha that would be cool though.

[War Chef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINEIlN87F0

[Peterski]

I even get Ashkenazi on MyHeritage as does nearly every Irish person's results I've seen. I don't think it is real. I also get 1% European Jewish on Ancestry as well.

You should check if you have Jewish relatives to verify if it is real:

http://www.genealogiagenetyczna.com/2015/10/czy-mam-zydowskie-pochodzenie-dna-zydow-aszkenazyjskich.html

English translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.genealogiagenetyczna.com%2F2015 %2F10%2Fczy-mam-zydowskie-pochodzenie-dna-zydow-aszkenazyjskich.html

Ancestry of your relatives (see how many of them score Jewish):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214721-Ancestry-of-your-DNA-Relatives-%9623andMe&p=4498175&viewfull=1#post4498175

RN97 has 65 genetic relatives scoring Jewish:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214721-Ancestry-of-your-DNA-Relatives-%9623andMe&p=4498184&viewfull=1#post4498184

[Grace O'Malley]

You should check if you have Jewish relatives to verify if it is real:

http://www.genealogiagenetyczna.com/2015/10/czy-mam-zydowskie-pochodzenie-dna-zydow-aszkenazyjskich.html

English translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.genealogiagenetyczna.com%2F2015 %2F10%2Fczy-mam-zydowskie-pochodzenie-dna-zydow-aszkenazyjskich.html

Ancestry of your relatives (see how many of them score Jewish):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214721-Ancestry-of-your-DNA-Relatives-%9623andMe&p=4498175&viewfull=1#post4498175

RN97 has 65 genetic relatives scoring Jewish:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214721-Ancestry-of-your-DNA-Relatives-%9623andMe&p=4498184&viewfull=1#post4498184

I also get 3% Europe East on Ancestry. Who really knows for sure where an ancestor might be from? Nothing is impossible.

[Myanthropologies]

they are giving almost everyone aschenazi
don't know why ????

I know it makes no sense. A bunch of Irish people of various ethnicities took the dna test and they all got like 3% "European Jewish," even the Indian girl and ethnic Irish people


https://youtu.be/Gf907q76YY4

[Grace O'Malley]

I know it makes no sense. A bunch of Irish people of various ethnicities took the dna test and they all got like 3% "European Jewish," even the Indian girl and ethnic Irish people


https://youtu.be/Gf907q76YY4

Ashkenazi Jewish on that test. European Jewish is on Ancestry. Yes I got approx 3% Ashkenazi on MyHeritage. One of the girls in that video was so happy to get 4% Ashkenazi Jewish. :)

[kingjohn]

people don't like jews but some jews gave to europe
so much .......

[Grace O'Malley]

people don't like jews but some jews gave to europe
so much .......

I don't think people don't like Jews. I've never found that to be the case at all.

[RN97]

people don't like jews but some jews gave to europe
so much .......

Some good, but don't forget the bad....

[Myanthropologies]

Ashkenazi Jewish on that test. European Jewish is on Ancestry. Yes I got approx 3% Ashkenazi on MyHeritage. One of the girls in that video was so happy to get 4% Ashkenazi Jewish. :)

She reminded me of you actually, cause I remember before that you said you hoped to find something really interesting/exotic, but that you were Irish as hell lol. She also seems really nice like you :)

[Myanthropologies]

Some good, but don't forget the bad....

What is that supposed to mean?

[kingjohn]

i have found the word kike here in this forum
i find it very offensive
but this the world i live in
i wish i can change that ...

give me a list of the bad jews RN97 i am intrested to here the list

[Skerdilaid]

I told you bro a while back. You should have taken my word for it instead of attacking me for stating the obvious.

[RN97]

i have found the word kike here in this forum
i find it very offensive
but this the world i live in
i wish i can change that ...

give me a list of the bad jews RN97 i am intrested to here the list

Just some, IDK them all fam.
-Trotsky
-Marx
-Béla Kun
-Abraham Foxman
-most of the Frankfurt school
-George Soros
-Gregor Gysi

[RN97]

I told you bro a while back. You should have taken my word for it instead of attacking me for stating the obvious.

I have no jewish admixture on WEGENE or 23andme.
However if you want to compare. Plot in your k15 results and tell me where you land on the PCA plot. Let's see who gets closest to the jews :)
http://i.imgur.com/4s7LtoK.jpg
(red dot)
http://i.imgur.com/5krlOse.jpg

[kingjohn]

Just some, IDK them all fam.
-Trotsky
-Marx
-Béla Kun
-Abraham Foxman
-most of the Frankfurt school
-George Soros
-Gregor Gysi

ok agree
but some of them are mix how do you know that they are not evill because of there gentile blood
bela kun mother was non jewish from head to toe
agree he was terrible .

i will give you list of gentiles :
rudolf hess
franz stangl
erich bauer
gustav wagner
mengale
eichman
ivan the terrible
dracula {vlad the impaler}

all those people were angels ..... ?????

if tomarrow i will hurt someone how do you know it is from my jewish blood and not from my balkan slavic blood you can't know ....

[Wrong]

Maybe this explains the kinky hair texture? :confused:

[RN97]

ok agree
but some of them are mix how do you know that they are not evill because of there gentile blood
bela kun mother was non jewish from head to toe
agree he was terrible .

i will give you list of gentiles :
rudolf hess
franz stangl
erich bauer
gustav wagner
mengale
eichman
ivan the terrible
dracula {vlad the impaler}

all those people were angels ..... ?????

if tomarrow i will hurt someone how do you know it is from my jewish blood and not from my balkan slavic blood you can't know ....

Because historically Jews have felt like outcasts and a minority possibly leading to overcompensation by trying to take stabs at the majority causing conflicts and hate towards Jews. Jews historically in Europe felt no identity or loyalty to their host people. That's at least my opinion. Obviously not saying all, but Marxism at it's core was anti-European and jews were over-represented, but so were gentiles that felt they didn't fit in well enough. Homosexuals, anti-traditionalists, outcasts etc. Not saying Jews are evil by blood. Just different that it makes it difficult to create a symbiotic relationship IMO.

[RN97]

Maybe this explains the kinky hair texture? :confused:

I don't think you know what kinky hair texture means.

[Enflamme]

I don't think you know what kinky hair texture means.

When I was in primary school, in the north of France, I knew a guy who had ""curly"" (cheveux bouclés) hair and who was not of non-European origin but a native of Flanders.

[kingjohn]

i have to disagree
because german jews for example faught for germany many jews died during ww1 for germany
and than 22 years later they got there prize ..........

[Enflamme]

i have to disagree
because german jews for example faught for germany many jews died during ww1 for germany
and than 22 years later they got there prize ..........

wrong thread + you should read the revisionists

[Wrong]

I don't think you know what kinky hair texture means.

When I was in primary school, in the north of France, I knew a guy who had ""curly"" (cheveux bouclés) hair and who was not of non-European origin but a native of Flanders.
Pure coping brahh! ASHKENAZI

Romanian_Jew exists in calculators, this is what pulls you more South-East than the average Romanian.

[Wrong]

i have to disagree
because german jews for example faught for germany many jews died during ww1 for germany
and than 22 years later they got there prize ..........
This is correct. There are more Ashkenazi than people dare to admit, many of them hiding in their woodpile.

These tests show it, since Ashkenazim have a unique genetic code.

[RN97]

Pure coping brahh! ASHKENAZI

Romanian_Jew exists in calculators, this is what pulls you more South-East than the average Romanian.

How am I more southeast than the average Romanian? What are you on about?

[Wrong]

How am I more southeast than the average Romanian? What are you on about?
You plot more South-East than a typical half Romanian - half Norwegian would by a fair bit.

[Vyasa]

your hair texture betrays your Jewish origins

[RN97]

You plot more South-East than a typical half Romanian - half Norwegian would by a fair bit.

Not true at all.
http://i.imgur.com/sPUlS3S.png
http://i.imgur.com/nJbELH2.jpg
The biggest difference is actually that I plot more west. I only plot more south by a slight margin (reasonably since no one is an average, how you expect that is retarded). Not only that but both of those maps don't show a clear north/ south axis as the first should be tilted a bit to the right and the 2nd simply doesn't show a clear north/ south axis. This argument is not relavant either way since you technically have tons of more "jewish" admixture than me. The average Albanian looks a lot more like a jew, not meant to offense, but just the reality that is portrayed by the PCA plots. There is a reason s. Italians often get mistaken for being jewish and it's due to genetic similarity. Similarly Albanians on average are a lot closer to jews genetically than me. It's not about how recent it is, but about having more basal/ west asian that creates the "jewish look". 23andme and WEGENE gives me <0,1% and 0,79% respectively so why is this one that gives Irish Jewish admixture the correct one? Why don't you also discuss me getting 79,4% NW European? Clearly this one is inaccurate. I'm not saying I'm 0% jewish, but everything from 0,5-2% makes sense, not this much.


your hair texture betrays your Jewish origins
It doesn't you idiot, I've explained it so many times.

[kingjohn]

to have jewish genes is not a curse
and not a blessing just genes no big deal
Lenin was quarter Ashkenazim i am not sure he identify as jewish
and people here are making big deal from 2-3% Ashkenazim
Himmler would have been proud of you ....... :thumb001: {but sweet revenge is relative married aschenazi later she divorced him but they have a son together }
so many noble prize Jews effect Europe in science so i fail to understand from where is all this hate....

[Peterski]

Many Irish have curly hair.

[RN97]

to have jewish genes is not a curse
and not a blessing just genes no big deal
Lenin was quarter Ashkenazim i am not sure he identify as jewish
and people here are making big deal from 2-3% Ashkenazim
Himmler would have been proud of you ....... :thumb001: {but sweet revenge is relative married aschenazi later she divorced him but they have a son together }
so many noble prize Jews effect Europe in science so i fail to understand from where is all this hate....

I didn't say it was. In fact before I got my 23andme results I figured that I had around 1-2% and I had several posts on this forum with such statements. I was surprised to get <0,1% on 23andme. The thing is that many, MANY people here that were the types that chimped out because they disagreed with my opinions always said I was a jew and genetics will prove it. Well now they're here and instead of using a much more reputable source (23andme), they resort to these results to justify how they were not wrong at all. I do have significant amount of jewish admixture. Basically my point is, I might have some jewish admixture, but I can't see it being above 2%.

[Wrong]

I didn't say it was. In fact before I got my 23andme results I figured that I had around 1-2% and I had several posts on this forum with such statements. I was surprised to get <0,1% on 23andme. The thing is that many, MANY people here that were the types that chimped out because they disagreed with my opinions always said I was a jew and genetics will prove it. Well now they're here and instead of using a much more reputable source (23andme), they resort to these results to justify how they were not wrong at all. I do have significant amount of jewish admixture. Basically my point is, I might have some jewish admixture, but I can't see it being above 2%.
23andme only goes back for max 300 years, you gotta remember that.

You're still pulled towards Ashkenazi by abit according to the PCA.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Everything curly haired is suspiciously jewish to me, incl OP.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

they are giving almost everyone aschenazi
don't know why ????

They didn't give me any Ashkenazi :cool:

[Jana]

I didn't say it was. In fact before I got my 23andme results I figured that I had around 1-2% and I had several posts on this forum with such statements. I was surprised to get <0,1% on 23andme. The thing is that many, MANY people here that were the types that chimped out because they disagreed with my opinions always said I was a jew and genetics will prove it. Well now they're here and instead of using a much more reputable source (23andme), they resort to these results to justify how they were not wrong at all. I do have significant amount of jewish admixture. Basically my point is, I might have some jewish admixture, but I can't see it being above 2%.
Jewish admixture can be hidden in your middle eastern score on 23andme. Romania had quite big Jewish community and it isn't impossible at all.
But these test don't prove you have Jewish ancestry, either. They are far from perfect yet. Send you data to Doug Mcdonald and ask him about it.

[Peterski]

Send you data to Doug Mcdonald and ask him about it.

Good idea. Feiichy have you tried Doug McDonald's test? I haven't tried it yet.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Good idea. Feiichy have you tried Doug McDonald's test? I haven't tried it yet.

I actually sent my data to him once and he said I was mostly Irish with some English and several percents eastern Mediterranean.

[RN97]

23andme only goes back for max 300 years, you gotta remember that.

You're still pulled towards Ashkenazi by abit according to the PCA.

It goes back 500 years supposedly but the thing is that it has pop. sources..... Most eastern and central Europeans have some jewish admixture so if you have extra, you'll get it there. Just like Portuguese get 100% European, but on calc. they get 1+% SSA. so I have no extra Jewish admixture basically......

BTW

You're still pulled towards Ashkenazi by abit according to the PCA
How freaking far can you stretch it m8? I actually did the calculations (took the average Romanian-Norwegian based upon the spreadsheet on k15)
http://i.imgur.com/GQV0Tnc.png

Not to mention shit like this:
Jews score quite low on N/ W. Euro components, now compare.
Avg. N/R mix
North_Sea 27.805
Atlantic 19.725
Baltic 14.68
Eastern_Euro 10.76
West_Med 9.42
West_Asian 6.835
East_Med 7.465
Red_Sea 1.32
South_Asian 0.655
Southeast_Asian 0.1
Siberian 0.38
Amerindian 0.515
Oceanian 0.10
Northeast_African 0.195
Sub-Saharan

me:
1 North_Sea 29.06
2 Atlantic 22.97
3 Baltic 10.6
4 West_Med 10.54
5 East_Med 8.97
6 Eastern_Euro 7.73
7 West_Asian 6.82
8 South_Asian 1.94
9 Siberian 0.9
10 Red_Sea 0.37
11 Sub-Saharan 0.1

Tell me about my "extra" hmmm.... Say Irish admixture....

[Wrong]

It goes back 500 years supposedly but the thing is that it has pop. sources..... Most eastern and central Europeans have some jewish admixture so if you have extra, you'll get it there. Just like Portuguese get 100% European, but on calc. they get 1+% SSA. so I have no extra Jewish admixture basically......

BTW

How freaking far can you stretch it m8? I actually did the calculations (took the average Romanian-Norwegian based upon the spreadsheet on k15)
http://i.imgur.com/GQV0Tnc.png

Not to mention shit like this:
Jews score quite low on N/ W. Euro components, now compare.
Avg. N/R mix
North_Sea 27.805
Atlantic 19.725
Baltic 14.68
Eastern_Euro 10.76
West_Med 9.42
West_Asian 6.835
East_Med 7.465
Red_Sea 1.32
South_Asian 0.655
Southeast_Asian 0.1
Siberian 0.38
Amerindian 0.515
Oceanian 0.10
Northeast_African 0.195
Sub-Saharan

me:
1 North_Sea 29.06
2 Atlantic 22.97
3 Baltic 10.6
4 West_Med 10.54
5 East_Med 8.97
6 Eastern_Euro 7.73
7 West_Asian 6.82
8 South_Asian 1.94
9 Siberian 0.9
10 Red_Sea 0.37
11 Sub-Saharan 0.1

Tell me about my "extra" hmmm.... Say Irish admixture....

23andme goes 300 years back max, the ancestry timeline states this clearly.

[Jana]

Good idea. Feiichy have you tried Doug McDonald's test? I haven't tried it yet.
I sent him data few years ago but never received reply :(
But some members have, so I think he should try it (you too), because that man is seriously competent in genetics department.

[RN97]

Jewish admixture can be hidden in your middle eastern score on 23andme. Romania had quite big Jewish community and it isn't impossible at all.
But these test don't prove you have Jewish ancestry, either. They are far from perfect yet. Send you data to Doug Mcdonald and ask him about it.

How do I go about doing that and is it free or nah?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

How do I go about doing that and is it free or nah?

If you suspect you have Jewish or Amerindian he does it for free AFAIK

[Jana]

How do I go about doing that and is it free or nah?
It's free, he just needs to be interested in your sample:
Send him raw data via email (check your rep comment), with a concrete question and hope he'll answer.

[Grace O'Malley]

Jewish admixture can be hidden in your middle eastern score on 23andme. Romania had quite big Jewish community and it isn't impossible at all.
But these test don't prove you have Jewish ancestry, either. They are far from perfect yet. Send you data to Doug Mcdonald and ask him about it.

This is my 23andMe results.

http://i67.tinypic.com/t7e3rt.png

I'm not sure whether some of these tests should be taken so literally. On FTDNA I get a little bit of Native American, on MyHeritage I get Ashkenazi and on LivingDNA I get some Pashtun and Chechen. Which ones are correct? I really have no other known ancestry outside of Ireland so I guess people can pick and choose what tests they believe are accurate. :) Those small exotic bits are intriguing but not sure how real they are. I agree with you that some of these results shouldn't be taken as absolute fact.

[Dick]

This is my 23andMe results.

http://i67.tinypic.com/t7e3rt.png

I'm not sure whether some of these tests should be taken so literally. On FTDNA I get a little bit of Native American, on MyHeritage I get Ashkenazi and on LivingDNA I get some Pashtun and Chechen. Which ones are correct? I really have no other known ancestry outside of Ireland so I guess people can pick and choose what tests they believe are accurate. :) Those small exotic bits are intriguing but not sure how real they are. I agree with you that some of these results shouldn't be taken as absolute fact.

What's up, freckles.

[Mortimer]

I think 23andme is best for Jewish Ancestry. Also with the relative thing its addition.